VE Data Logging and VVE Smoothing, The Speed Density Tuning Steps On HP Tuners
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needed to watch this again, makes a lot more sense as my knowledge increases
Same. I’ve seen most of his videos atleast 10 times lol
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I have rewatched 10 videos over 2 days lol. These are gold
I wish you would have shown the filtering that you talked about doing to remove anything with 0% throttle. I don't do a lot of filtering but that's where really good data comes from.
Back when I was in mfg engineering I was showed minitab14. I feel like you might find it interesting. Trying to set up a DOE and etc. statistical analysis. it’s been a few years. Thanks for your content Kyle
Would LOVE if you could do something for us drag racers to use HP tuners to adjust fueling and timing into a launch from a dig and even a 2 step to avoid spin. I have done this but could use a lot of help and HOLLEY has such killer tools to do this where you can ramp timing over time, over speed or other params.
Thanks for doing more SD stuff. I have questions for Thursday!
See you then!
Love the videos!!!
Good stuff as usual
Another great video. You are gonna be very successful at what you're doing. You explain things very clearly.
BTW, I was waiting to see you eating a candy bar in your next video with that Canadian cash 😉 LOL!
Sweet video
Sweet video!
I really appreciate the videos . I have a 2015 G-Vin 2500 had 6.0 with Vvt not shore if is 4 or 3 Gen .
Thanks Kyle. I enjoy your videos. It would be helpful to show us what filtering do you use. I presume you run OL, disable MAF, turn DFCO off, turn COT off, and leave PE on. When you filter the data to input into the VEE table you mentioned filter throttle pedal position above 0%. Was there any other filters applied to filter out transient fuel and/or EVAP fumes? Do you add a filter to discard change of throttle over certain time data? Would love to heat your thoughts on it.
This is what i need , i'am in speed density mode.
Thanks a bunch (Kentucky Term) for separating the voice vs. engine volume. I think I'm beginning to understand how you use the math. Bouncing between the graph and the table provided me with a much better understanding smoothing the peaks on the graph. I feel like I am really learning watching these videos. Watching you work through what I have been reading about really make it "Click" for me.
Hello, been watch a lot of your videos and it had been so useful being as I am new to the tuning world, thank you for sharing your knowledge. In this video I’m using information to set up my logging. I can not for the life of me get the scanner to see any of my data stream. Scanner is connecting but not showing anything and most of the line items disappear soon as I start scanning. I didn’t know if you had any insight on what I could be missing. I have the mpvi3 and my phone will connect but my laptop is having issues
Awesome! More VVE stuff! Could one adjust the zones to get better resolution for driveability areas? Also, would disabling transient fueling while logging help get better data for VVE? Thanks again for these videos!
For sure, adjusting the zones is a great way to help the math line up when calculating coefficients. Disabling transit wouldn't be an issue as any modifiers are seen in the commanded.
got it running wait on a lamboa guage from summit have an afr but going to get the lamboa.
Make one showing how to tune the 2008-2014 dodge challenger's with the hemi. Cant find anything on youtube that shows the specifics. And when the histogram needs to match the table from the tune file is that specific x axis and y axis or seeing my challenger has a map , not a maf, would I want to have map on a axis for something like logging spark ? And when your looking at the VE table and you say theres gaps or a gap, are you referring to a large difference in percentage from one cell to the next ? Thanks man !
Kyle, GREAT VIDEO as always sir! Question - I am running 4.4.2 I think, and I dont have the same screen to adjust coefficients? The fueling adjustments are the same on my right but on the left my page is simpler. Is this a version simplification or? Just curious
Generational, Gen IV is a bit simpler
Hi,
Have you done any tuning on Chrysler products? I notice the Hp tuner layout is quite different when working with the tune on my dodge as opposed to you GM.
Is there anyway you can do a series on tuning a mopar with Hp tuners?
Your lessons on GM products are great and very informative. 👍👍
Thank
Soon!
I have been attempting to tune the VE on both my 07 and 12 Z06's for the past several years. The tuners in my area do not touch the VE. I am new to HP but have been using EFI Live. Just when I think I'm getting nowhere understanding how to adjust the VE tables using the acquired data, I stumble onto this video. I understand most if not all of what you do to log the info but get lost in smoothing or adjusting the data where very few of the cells have data that have changed. The engine noise in your vehicle is so much louder than your voice I can't pick out what you are explaining. This is the most important part of the video. Please wear a mic or try and filter out the truck sounds. I appreciate your hard work and especially the fact that you are sharing to "How To".
Hey can u do a new gen 3 mustang tune basics ?
Another’s great Vid Kyle! How many cell counts would u suggest when populating? should we change cell counts as we get closer to goal or just let the math do the wk? Cheers!
I do 5 as a minimum, but if you're seeing bad data cells you can always go in after the fact and bump it up in an attempt to filter out that date. At most scan rates that's not even a second of data.
My Virtual Volumetric Efficiency table is set in MAP/BARO (pressure ratio). How do I set this up in the HP Tuners Scanner?
Also how to maf tune gen 3 mustang aka fuel
I'm trying to figure out the tune on a 2009 crown vic.
I plan on turbo but, not until I know enough to actually improve the tune as it is...
Do you have experience with Ford?
Robert here! Replayed a few times great info good job. Quesiton about the cam in your truck and in general cam affect on running smooth ? I got an LS3 480 with the hot camm lsa 112 and runs loud / hard to tune. Does not run smooth like your truck that is for sure. For LS3 with no boost what lsa would you recommend? G8 4000Lb.
Robert, I never ended up installing my cam. 112 is decently aggressive but should be tunable, 110 is when your start having real issues. I'm no cam expert, so I usually don't give advice, I leave it to the pros like the guys at BTR, give them a shout and see what they suggest, super helpful gang of people over there!
Just bought a new MPVI2 Pro with an AEM wideband kit for my cammed c5 corvette. Been watching your videos nonstop. It has a VE tune on it now, but I was thinking about turning the MAF back on and tuning it. How do I determine if I should and would it be worth it?
MAF is ready to tune and a great way to get your feet wet, I'd do it even if you went back to SD just to learn!
I have your tables. But im kinda lost on what table your using
So, technically if I add 10% to the whole table then the car should run richer through the whole table? I should see it on my wideband?
Do you know your way around tuning for Rams I've installed a new cam and trying to learn how to tune. I've been watching your videos love your approach to teaching its easy to learn! But looks like you mainly tune GM so was wondering if tuning a Dodge would be to different to apply your teachings too? I would be interested in become a Patron if not.
There are some differences and I'm hoping to explore them more soon. I'll help in anyway I can!
looks like decel fuel cut is still active?
Where do you normally put your wideband? Do you put it in the tip or have another O2 bung?
Always try to put it in the exhaust stream. When you put it too close to the end you get fluctuations.
Or how to add E85 to all tunes
Hey man in your high value graph layout are you entering +10 and -10 in low or are your numbers greater , I see in your other video you left them at 0
Yeah, this is just a visual representation, doesn't effect the data logged
At 8:15 you talk about filtering out the dfco cells from the graph. Can you explain how to do that?
Sure, just add accelerator position as a parameter and then on your graph add it to the function field and do greater than zero. So you'll have the PID number and formula that looks like this:
[*****.***] > 0
Then your graph will only show numbers when you're giving it gas.
I just commented on this myself
Why manifold switch open on the vve table
Do you have a video on
Gen4 injector scaling for the PCMs with 63.5 hard coded limits?
No but I'm going to try and get one out in the next week or so.
@@GoatRopeGarageI look forward to that. Gen3/4 NA stuff and low boost gen 3 stuff is straight foward, but I'll soon be tuning my own 2008 gmc 4.8 turbo with 80# injectors and it has the early e38. Everyone is like, half this, double that, done. From what I've read it seems to scaling will be easier than trying to find a newer e38 and trying to rewrite the OS to get the 127# limit but a TCM for a 60/80e.
Also, I've been messing with Hptuners for a couple years now. I've watched a lot of TH-cam videos and yours are some the best.
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how would one need to do the vve with vvt? Would you need to tune the vvt func to stay at a certain degree?
Vve table populates down through the cam degrees when you change the base
just did a vvt afm delete and truck norris cam in a 1500 5.3 silverado man it runs like shit. i got a long way to go on tuning.
How do you get to the table that says EQ ERR (the table where it shows how far it's off from stoichiometry)?
Have to have a wideband
@@GoatRopeGarageyeah I do have a wide band
@@GoatRopeGarage I think I figured it out under graph you can choose what you want to log and there's one there's called EQ Err
Hi this is Russ persuhn TWINS Silverado I have 2010 Silverado E38 flex that is now A 6.0 with twin 62mm turbos should I apply manifold vacuum boost in the OS and what is speed density air mode in the OS ECM 120. And ECM121
I couldn't help but notice you're driving around Franklin Park, and I79, you're in SWPA? I'd pay you to help me get my project tuned in!
Hit up the contact info on the website, might be able to work something out
Hey buddy, dumb question (normal from me) speed density, with ethanol content sensor. Do I need to ensure I have pump gas. Or can I tune as normal? 2012 ls3 E38
Tune as normal as long as you're using the alky sensor
Thanks again for everything! I’m for sure grateful for the garage, and the knowledge you share, I’ve learned so much.. life is crazy for me but the next In tune I can get in on you have some more beer money that I owe 🍺 ... I wish I could donate use of the Camaro for you’re cause..
Can you tube that ECM in 2 bar? I have a 2010 GMC with a E38 ECM using vve but it's turboed and I wanted to run 2 bar. Any input on this would be great.
Have you applied the 2 bar patch already? Shouldn't be an issue.
@@GoatRopeGarage so this ECS doesn't support the 2 bar OS.
@@GoatRopeGarage Can I just rescale the vve table to 210KPA as well as the timing tables?
Im having a issue with my speed density tune as soon as i start to go into boost it gets lean and goes into limp mode i added 12% of fuel across the table. Its fine at cruising speeds i'm only running 5.5 lbs of boost max. 2017 Chevy Silverado, 5.3, 70mm turbo
What map sensor did you switch to? What cel are you getting when you go into limp mode?
@@GoatRopeGarage stock map sensor i have to check the cel i added more fuel and it just cuts out of power almost like a miss fire but doesn't go into limp mode now
You tuning with a wideband?
@@GoatRopeGarage yes
I have a question Brother. How can I get HP Tuners to link to my AEM 30-0300 wideband? I have a 96 Silverado with a 2000 Sierra 5.3 and PCM.
Connect the wires to ground and input 1, click on it with vehicle connected, click on your AEM 0300 and it will show up
@@stevecook8984 thank you Sir
Is there a table setup for this vid.?
sorry PID
Why do you multiply by percent half and not just by percent as other tuner say?
You over shoot if you do it the other way, over correction will leave you hunting
Since this takes so long to do correctly, how are these big name tuners doing the email tunes accurately?
spend the time getting it spot on with actual Dyno tunes, use it as a starting point but more conservative for safety, read your logs and adjust from there. plus generally the same or similar engines can be tuned basically the same way despite their application with only minor differences, like an lq4 in a truck versus an ls3 in a Corvette. so just because a shop may do hundreds of mustangs but not a single F-150 doesn't mean they can't shoot you a good F-150 tune
are you driving in manual mode in an automatic OR just driving in D (Standard auto). Ive tried doing it only in manual shift mode on my Camaro and the Eq error is different seems then if I perform it in only auto(D) its a 2010 E38 Controller
Shouldn't matter, first I've heard of that happening
Im using EFI live, not that it matters , but im going to try it again and see if it does it. If I held gears the map was lean. if I started over, cleared It the same cells were richer in standard auto. I like that HPT has interpolate....EFI live doesn't as of now.
@@GoatRopeGarage i figured it out, needed to apply filters and cell hit min requirements. Had Bad data. This video was really good, it helped me understand the fringe zones alot better and blending the zones and now my VVE is starting to stabilize and is very very close to command. EFI Live is slightly different but same principal. Thanks I'm going to check out some more videos.
oyeah new to hp tuner software in still a carb guy but they quit putting them on gm cars and pickups in the ninies
This is why I only use a 340cc meth injector. If the system ever fails... it's a lot of fuel 2000cc... you only need enough to cool everything down and give you knock suppression. outside of that you're asking for trouble. The other side of that is... I've been using the same water meth setup for 13 years and it's never failed 😆 I know the pump efficiency is down probably only 85 or 90 PSI in it supposed to be a hundred PSI pump I measured it like 2 years ago.
Why does he copy the logs and then paste it with these multiply..etc shouldn't he change it manually one by one or is that a mechanism the program uses cause if it is that will save a lot of time I hope he answers me
We are logging error in percentage, we copy and past by half to change the error towards 0 in half steps so we don't over shoot. No reason to do it one at a time.
A "little" lean 😂😂😂 saw 1.41 on the guage
First!
So tempting to be the first thumbs down, but I cant. I just cant. Good info, man!
Hey buddy can you contact me I'm interested in you to do some tuning for me
I can help you out as well, post an email address
I become so confused when it comes down to the VE tables
Damn I am so lost on all of this
Where is the confusion? Datalog, copy-paste-special-1/2% SAVE FILE, UPLOAD
@@stevecook8984 it is literally not that easy, but thanks for the misinformation