How can our ECU flash be SO MUCH better than others?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- We are often asked how our ECU flash and custom mapping can possibly be so much better than what other tuners and shops out there offer, and we decided to put this IN DEPTH answer together for you guys to watch. It is NOT a quick video, but it IS as much information as I can possibly share about our tuning process when building custom mapping for our ECU Flashing Service AND what sets us apart from our competitors!
Thanks for the in depth explanation, I really appreciate how seriously you all take your craft! The results dramatically improve the riding experience, thank you for all you guys do!
I was told by “ magic mike” formerly of Moore mafia that sending in the ecu will never get you the correct results , the tuner absolutely needs the bike.
True?
I sent my ecu in months ago (2016 zx10r) had been already flashed by (xplaneR1) words can't describe how bad that bike rode couldn't full throttle shift at all, had no autoblip and choppy on & off throttle... the flash from 2 wheel is night and day. make the correct choice and send it here.
A few things that I have noticed with the quality of a 2WheelDynoWorks flash is; it’s crafted by a team that proves and checks all aspects of the tunes built at an actual circuit racetrack. Some tuners work off of drag strip experience, some tuners are selling canned flashes. What the depth of circuit track experience brings is smoothness. To ride fast at the track you gotta be smooth, linear, and strong. Not only realize maximum power potential, but beautiful smoothness. This allows the end rider like me, to use the power more, and with much greater confidence. I think what more riders out there in TH-cam land need to be clear about, is that you are not providing unrideable beasts, only to give some peak hp number, you are delivering a velvet hammer. All backed up by data logging, by dyno numbers, and by track experience hours numbering in the tens of thousands, across all platforms. With a tune for any motorcycle, todays options are wide, but of unknown level, with a 2WheelDynoWorks flash, we can relax knowing we are getting the best tune for the reliable performance of our machines, backed up by expert follow on support. Kudos gentlemen, I recommend you guys to everyone I meet on a bike!
At this point there is no reason to go to anyone else for your ECU flash I will be ordering mine in August for my 2024 zx6r. I will be be ordering the velocity stacks as well. Thanks for shedding light bro
Always happy to help!
I have a question, what about the air difference. Air quality and elevation is different here in Chicago then where your dyno is. And every bike comes from the factory different ever so slightly. Take 2 new bikes, put them on the dyno, numbers will be off, even if slightly. How do you compensate for all these differences?
Alright dude! Here! Take my money! LOL. This might be the most effective marketing I've ever seen
Is it possible or worth tuning my 2024 mt09 if i want to keep my quite stock exhaust? Maybe adding filter or stacks?
Great explanation of just how much work goes into providing the exceptional product you guys offer. I'm sure this is going to get a lot of views and answer a lot of questions. My 2 Wheel Dynoworks-tuned bikes are absolute rockets thanks to this incredible depth of work.
I have been told to go to Moore Mafia but I think you just reeled me in to go with you guys. Couple of more mods that I need to do then I will be shipping you my ECU. Thank you for the educational video!
I took my 2011 GSXR 750 ( 2 hour drive) to Chris Moore and was able to get 140.53 Hp at the rear wheel on pump gas as KWS already did a tune and left it rich as it was only 133 hp on the initial pull. It did have a AMA/WERA legal supersport head KWS did on it that is probably worth 4-5 horsepower. This is all Chris does is dyno tunes so he knows what he is doing. This guy on the video seems like he knows his stuff as well. Take the bike to the tuner Chris or this guy instead of getting a mail in flash.
Moore mafia is overpriced as hell
I cannot say for certain as it's never demonstrated on video in live tuning or in explanation otherwise, but I don't know that Mr. Moore is going to the painstaking process of environmental tuning outside of the dyno room as is explained in this video.
Outstanding explanation. Bravo.
And that's why I had my zx10r flashed by 2WDW....
I am listening all the way through. Insight like this makes me more comfortable knowing a tuner is very well informed.
Rode my 2023 zx10r for the first time after flash with a only 3/4 sc project it's a big difference when your getting it up shifts feels quicker super happy with it
Like I have always said Nate,. "THE YODA OF THE DYNO 👍😜😜
I had my dealership send my ECU to you. I pick the motorcycle up tomorrow night will let you know how it runs
Anybody have a 2017-2024 GSX R1000R that they had re flashed using this guy? Because I used another very popular company who re flashed my ECU for just street use, with a full exhaust system, and restrictions unlocked, and it’s terrible. Bike runs extremely rich. To the point it dies, like it’s flooding when the revs go back down, and it reeks of fuel. Only get 60 to 80 miles per tank. I know full systems use more fuel, but come on. I can barely ride with anyone anymore because I have to stay close to a get station. And I haven’t been riding it lately because it just sucks. And I don’t want to contaminate the oil with gas. It’s just terrible. Anybody have any suggestions? Thinking about sending my ECU to this guy.
Well I just ordered a akrapovic exhaust system for my mt07 I was just going to have the ecu flashed in my state. But with this video I have changed my mind. Ima send it to u guys now lol tha k for the video
Yeah me too! Grabbed a 23 MT07 and the Akra Titanium, soon as the rain hits I'm sending this man my ECU.
Love your thoroughness don't ever change honor the owners as you do!
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Took my bike into you guys yesterday to get a tune after installing an Akropvic exhaust. You guys killed it! Pat is dope guy. The tune is so smooth sounds great and rides fantastically. I look forward to any updates that come around.
-2020 CB650r
Fabulous breakdown on how the timing is dialed in and the effect it has on the quick shifter. I’ve not heard that thoroughly explained by anyone else. I’ve listened to you talk about the various full exhausts and differences they potentially have with a tune; here is my question for clarity: Is the ECU tune offered for a 2024 GSX 8R, with a full Spark exhaust, going to be the same tune with a full M4 exhaust, or are there actually different tunes depending on exhaust types? If you have addressed this previously I apologize.
I bought your ecu flash for a 2009 zx6 r last year. And let me tell you guys it changed the way my bike felt completely. It has more power, it pops on up shifts and sounds like a machine gun on deceleration and shoots proper flames. The power band is smooth and properly strong all throughout the rev range . I now describe my bike as the beast now after its flash. You sir are a very competent tuner and truly believe you are up there with the best. If anyone is on the fence get your bike flashed you won’t regret it.
Yes, i do agree with your statement at 7mins about 100% full throttle demand.
Now this is going to show my age. Im referencing the historical carburettors( SU, Webber, Deluto, Holy) that had a cable and acleraterter pump jet circut that when the throttle demand was rapidly opened with insufficient rpm and air flow. The power train would just bog down.
So the same can happen with electronic over ride maps. Just fully open and dump in that waste of fuel. Totally agree.
Can my 2023 ZX10R benefit from a tune if I want to keep the stick can? Or do I have to do a replacement system? I really like the titanium headers and really don’t want an ear splitting, cop magnet.
Absolutely. The performance improvements are still MASSIVE at the top end.
Well said. Your knowledge of engine tuning and humor unmask a core truth about the aftermarket. A..few REALLY know and everyone else..has a shop. I am in Florida, BUT your team will be getting my ECU when it's time to put my last (2023) ZX14R on the road. Keep up the stellar work you do👍.
I wish more people swapping exhausts also has some actual taste, and didn't want "an ear splitting cop magnet." I could name a few brands who make exhausts and point out very quickly what's the problem with them... those soup can mufflers which couldn't quiet a mouse down.
Very informative and spot on. A real pro.
Yeah, not very much like mapping an ancient carburator on a china moped using nose, ears and ass on the saddle dyno.
I feel like this guy is talking bout Moore mafia 😂😂
Outstanding video! Super informative. Pre paid for flash today. Just caught tail end of sale. Looking forward to feeling difference on my 2020 MT-10. You look like you really got your act together! Keep up the great reviews,hopefully I will attest to your work!
What a great explanation. Sending my ECU to them ASAP!
If I get my first motorcycle (ZX4RR) consider me a customer.
Can you guys flash my 2023 MT-10?
I need a new flash.....this is 🤯.
This man has great hair.
If he is really doing this then every penny spent on his map is worth it!
And this is why i sent my ECU for my 24' ZX-10RR to these guys.
Give me that Michelin 5 Star tune!
You win bro
My 2022 z900abs mapping is amazing as every time I get my bike tuned or flashed by you all . Ever since the 1st time I went there customer for life no matter what. Will always recommend you all and this video is one of the reasons 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
Did you install a full system?
Hey Nate!
Just watched this video again. I installed my ECU
that you recently flashed but we're in mid-winter so
I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to do a test ride.
Very much looking forward to getting on my bike and
enjoying all the hard work you and the 2 Wheel Dyno
Works crew have put in to giving us the very best ecu
flash available.
Keep yourselves safe! 😃👍❤🏍🏁
Randy
Sorry if I have more than one question.
1. Do bikes have a "Commanded AFR" from factory? Like most cars, the ECU will always "target" a specific AFR all throughout the RPM range.
2. If new bikes have their own "Commanded AFR", is it really 14.7:1 (stoich) or is it richer or leaner? I know all bikes are different from factory but in your experience, what is the "common" factory AFR of new bikes?
3. If there is a Commanded AFR, so why does the AFR curve fluctuates on the dyno? I am under the impression that the ECU will try it's best to always "hit" the proper fuelling and ignition to make sure that the Commanded AFR is met.
4. Without changing any hardware of the bike, stock everything, do you think a comprehensive ECU tuning on the dyno will make at least 6-10% improvement in the power throughout the power curve?
Thanks and more power.
Tuning software is like a wrench. It is just another tool the MECHANIC has to use. It is the MECHANIC using the tool you are paying for not the tool.
Frustrates the mess out of me to read this comment a million times over just about every aftermarket exhaust video featured online: "Does this X brand exhaust require a tune, or can it run without?" 🤦♂*smack smack smack
What do people think a modern FI engine is? A coal burning steamer?
And on the other side, it's also extremely frustrating for muppets out there who spread the gospel of "manufacturers know a thousand times better than any tuner about how to set up a bike/car/truck, so quit messing with them, leave them stock!!"
Another question about AFR.
So it is not really good to just set a specific AFR throughout the RPM range? I have seen dyno tuners do this in their videos, setting the AFR to a specific value and the final tune showing that such AFR is being targetted from idle all the way to WOT.
So, in general, what should be the AFR curve for idle, for partial, for mid rpm and for WOT?
Got my own woolich kit on my gen 3 10r...Did suggested fueling change,did touch the timeing and checked a few boxes..It became a monster then,may have to send in my ecu from canada..
Emailed you guys yesterday about removing my ECU from my 22 mt10 a guy emailed me back rather quickly and said there's lots of videos on TH-cam on ecu removal for 2022 mt10. Well,there's not. I just don't want to break anything or do it wrong and I want to send it into you guys as quick as possible.
Hello greatly appreciate your informative video. Where's your shop located at sir 😂😂😂
k I'm convinced. Didn't know there are so many level of depth going into tuning. Other's promo 1 day tuning and ship it back but I'd rather pay a knowledge tuner to take their time and get it right rather than just flash a generic one. I'd be interested in visiting the shop in Kirkland this Spring.
Thanks so much for a great video! And for helping us make wise decisions regarding the well being of our precious motorbikes and therefore, our own well-being! 👍👍👍💪💪
Are you guys able to activate (somehow) the Quickshifter to work with up & down?
Are the Gabro and upmap tunes for Ducati and Aprilia as effective also?
2004 zx10r is there gains for the mail in ecu or is it too prehistoric?
Diffrent chef diffrent taste right.. love the detailed explanation.. nicely done
This why I send my 23R3 ecu here since I also saw u guy Dyno me Russel 2020 R3
I got the 2WDW flash for my '22 World GP 60th R1! Love it 👌
I now understand why this is an expensive (for me) service... I respect the process and will be sending mine in soon
Well as soon as I get my 4RR this month my ecu going to you guys .. thanks for all you do for the motorcycle planet .. 🐵
Do your tunes require the factory O2 sensor to be disconnected?
Great explanations and video. Thank you sir.
Seems like you really know your shit...
Just made me a customer for my 2021 zx10r.
Any plans on hitting the road again and do mobile dyno?
cant imagine how some one can ask that..... just tell em that tuning software is like a cd player and the tune itself is the cd, so all the tuners might have the same cd player, but they all have their own flavor of tuning in form of cd's. SO how tuners make their cd'ssss.?? well that comes with experience and a lot of it. i know this market is like tuners have one tune and they just connect ecu copy paste and charge hefty money. almost free money for them, specially the mail in tunes. Now there are tuners that put in work, like 2wdw, all the videos of him i have seen, it looks and feels like this guy knows what he is doing. i live in a different country but if i ever come to usa and buy a bike, i;ll surely go to him.
i recently saw a video of some guy tuning his bike at Moore mafia and they were talking about the fuel decel cut and as far as i understand, he gave him a choice, either keep the fuel decel or uncheck it, he didnt say he will tune it to make it work with the braking and the smooth blipper. i think that was zx10rr bike in a very recent video.
Happy to know that you fix that in ur tunings. thats what i meant when i said this guy knows what he is doing.
@@aregeebee201 Compact disc, silly. Preceded the digital streaming revolution. Otherwise, you're on point. Some engines won't extend any meaningful power by raising the redline cut, some will. All depends on the engine and cams and air flow at high rpm. But it does add significantly more piston speed and fatiguing forces on connecting rods. Who's to know whether the rods in X bike will take it, and whether the customer plans to spend a lot of time around those RPM.
I Had my zx10r 2022 tuned by a company in the UK and man it felt like shit to ride after flash than stock aftermarket system but just how you explain it about the quickshifter and down blipper the bike was lunging forward also the bike would start hunting on idle what would cause that ? they told me that all bikes do that after they are ecu flashed? I finally got them to put the bike back to stock whole reason I got the bike flash to make the bike faster and run better/smoother throttle response really stuck on what to do from now is there anything specific I should tell them to do to make sure it's done correctly 😅 i wish you tuned bike in the uk
Yeah. Send your ecu to them. Lol no one else is going to compare to 2wdw. Doesn’t matter if 2wdw told them what to do and how to do it. Still wouldn’t be even close to what these guys do.
Unless of course someone in the UK goes to all the trouble, then there WOULD be someone else doing it.
Do you have UK shops?
Wow, I wish I could find a tuner like you here in Sydney, Australia. I have a deeper understanding of tuning than the average guy due to my Study many years ago, but I just get spoken to like I'm a complete dummy. I have a project going where I will be putting the latest model Triumph765 engine into my Daytona frame for BEARS racing, as I have destroyed the 675 engine in that bike. I will be hooking Gen 3 headers up to my under seat exhaust. The guy who tuned both my Daytona's did an excellent job, as they were well tuned at all throttle points and fast and smooth to race. Unfortunately he isn't around anymore and I have to take it somewhere else. I will use a Rapid Bike Racing Module & wiring harness to tune the engine. Again I want very smooth on and off throttle application, not necessarily maximum power at all points. it needs to be ridable in all parts of the track, especially picking up the throttle at the apex and rolling the power on when I'm over on the edge of the tyre. I would drive a whole day to get my bike tuned by someone like you.
Did you find a good local tuner in the end?
@@__Max-oe6zm No mate, I have been out of action since my comment after a very serious racing accident where I fractured my femur badly and sustained a brain injury. I am still months away from being fit enough to do much.
@@adamhend3211 fark thats not good, I had bad crash 6 months ago too, broken bones etc. but much less serious outcome overall, I've only just started riding again, take it easy mate
Fantastic explanation
Where are you located ? I just picked a 2023 zx10r stock and want to put a pipe and get ecu flash debating Over mooremafia you guys ? And will a mail in flash really help or do I need a dyno ?
You won't need any dyno tuning with our custom mapping flashed into your ECU for your specific system!
@@2wheeldynoworks so a mail in with specifics on my bike will be good to go?
Recently had Nate flash tune my ecu for my 24 ZX6R... added velocity stacks, Graves shortie with Grave's headers...I cannot tell you the difference in on/off throttle the bike has now vs stock. Bike literally has about 190 miles on it and THIS is what it should have been from the factory...... IF 2WDW was the factory! Lots of others out there making noise about their tunes and trying to push others in the same direction...well because misery loves company! Lol I'm a pleased client and happy to share my experience. I was told that I should have gone with a live dyno tune over a flash tune...after riding my newly tuned bike all I can say is consider the source! Very pleased! 💪
@@4DZC It would be tuned like _that_ from factory, but try convincing bureaucratic government agencies bent on saving the planet from evil man (which they themselves don't believe they are a part of) that all the performance-wrecking compliance crap put on these machines is worse.
I sent in my R3's ECU to be flashed. And I gotta say, she has fully awakened. Thanks a ton guys. 👍
Is there anything needed to be done after flashing ecu?
@@user-ds5rp1im1g charcoal canister removal, O2 sensor and another thing needs to be blocked off. ( I forgot the name for that )
@@hueyfreeman7810 PAIR valve. It's the device that feeds fresh O2 into the exhaust post-engine, for the purposes of CAT burn/heat.
What exhaust fit on the new 24zx6r
All of them from the prior generation fit that we have tested.
Full throttle all of the time >.> Moore Mafia?
Who knows. But he's a drag racer. Drag racing has a whole different set of needs from a platform than someone running laps around a race circuit or someone looking for a nice precise ride on the street or out in the wild. He doesn't much care about part throttle precision and RBW mapping and blipper functions and ignition cures for a specific set of bolt-ons, or anything that takes a massive about of time away from his core business model, potentially. That's not dissing him, he understands a lot, but it's not the same.
So many ingredients.
Just a much better recipe