C&C Generals: Rise of the Reds - Comparing Main Tanks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ค. 2024
- Rise of the Reds or ROTR for short is a massive mod for Command & Conquer Generals Zero Hour.
The mod adds 2 brand new factions, the frontal breakthrough focused Russian Federation and the defense-oriented European Continental Alliance or ECA for short.
The mod also vastly revamps the original factions, giving them new units, buildings, upgrades, and more!
Other improvements include a focus on army diversity, a new 2-tier tech system, amphibious capabilities, and more!
Today we will be comparing each faction's main battle tank. The backbone of these armies.
We will be covering their production aspects, weapons, abilities, speed, combat, and more!
I plan on doing more of these for other General's Mods and more units from ROTR.
If you have any suggestions, please comment them below.
Thank you for watching!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Production
1:40 Weapons and Abilities
4:40 Who's the fastest?
5:10 Power Plant Test
6:00 All Tanks 1v1
8:00 USA Upgrades
10:20 China Upgrades
11:55 GLA Upgrades
14:35 ECA Upgrades
16:00 Russia Upgrades
17:15 Upgraded Speed Test
18:15 Fully Upgraded 1v1
20:25 Outro
Generals Zero Hour (Base Game)
www.origin.com/usa/en-us/stor...
ROTR Mod Link:
www.moddb.com/mods/rise-of-th...
GenLauncher (Highly recommend to play mods on Generals Zero Hour)
www.moddb.com/mods/genlauncher - เกม
Hope you enjoyed the video! If you have suggestions for my next comparison feel free to comment! Thank you!
what c&c game do i have to download for this mod to work on?
Scorpion Rocket is probably one of the most powerful upgrades in the game. You dont buy Scorpion Missiles for your Scorpions. You Buy Scorpions for their Scorpion Missile
The upgrade alone turns the Scorpion from a meh tank to a very good tank. Cost-effective doesn't even begin to describe Rocket-equipped Scorpions.
Their low armor though become a major issue late game. They are just obliterated by artillery or air attacks and in narrow chokepoints they get in each other's way and against long range units they struggle.
So while their burst damage is impressive especially considering their cost against a player that's paying attention they can be easily countered.
However if you managed to catch someone off guard and they manage to close the distance they are indeed insanely cost effective.
In any of the 1v1 tests the battlemaster doesn't have horde bonus, which it usually does in battle (comming from 2 years worth of multilayer experience, you avoid sending it into battle unless having horde most of the time) you can easily fix it by picking the war propaganda GP and using the spotlight ability.
Great idea! I'll do that in my next video. Thanks for the tip
Fully upgraded Scorpion packs a surprising amount of burst damage.
The funny thing about that cutey little tank is that thing is most likely very modernized P-26/40 italian tank from World War 2. Its like GLA got hands on some really junk tank (italian ones were kinda crappy, even during their time) and managed to pimp it up to stand against something like US Crusaders, which are basically more fancy Abrams, just by adding better armor, ammo and rockets.
@@BaranZenon GLA straight up harnessing the full power of garbage and topple 2 empires at the same time.
@@RichterBelmont2235 power of garbage is so powerful
@@RichterBelmont2235
Topple 2 empires at the same time, as the good old days, when Arabs defeated Persians and Romans, together, with their armies combined.
@@BaranZenon Actually during their time the Italian tanks were pretty good. The P-26/40 was a formidable vehicle when compared to other tanks of the time like the British cruiser II and the German Panzer III.
The real problem was poor Italian leadership and the corruption in the manufacturing industry that didn't want to innovate. While the P-26/40 was a match for the Cruiser II against things like the Sherman it was hopelessly outclassed. However a 1940 Panzer III wouldn't have fared any better. However the Germans weren't using 37mm Panzer III's in 1943 anymore.
It's not that the Italian vehicles were inherently inferior but they just couldn't keep up with the other powers when it came to producing tanks and developing new ones. Despite what Mouscilini might have wished the Italian industry wasn't really comparable to the great powers. Italy's industry was only 12% the size of Britain's and only 7% the size of Germany's and only 5% the size of the US. Even the French industry which was the smallest of the great powers was over 5 times the size of the Italian one.
This mod is simply the best. It might as well be my canon "Command & Conquer: Generals 2" for me.
Well, the story does take place nearly a decade after the events of Generals and the writting is not that bad. For example, the US has gone back in tech a lot due to isolationist policies (which implies more expensive imports of certain materials required for high tech) and a reduction in military budget, both result of the defeats it suffered in europe against the GLA.
China's limitations in nuclear arsenal deployment are due to serious problems they had with an unhinged general Tao.
The Generals ZH has been remade in the CnC3 engine now. So you can play it now with a new level of grapics. Hopefully Mods will rise for that mod too.
Great video.
I suggest you also add another test: Equal Resources Spent.
Say, allocate $10.000 for each unit type and match them vs another type.
For example, the Kodiak beats every other in a 1v1, but how well does it fare in groups against same resources? This also makes range upgrades more important, as some units will be able to fire behind their allies while others would have to move around.
Using this video as an example you would have squads of:
15 Scorpions
10 Crusaders
7 Kodiaks
9 Panzers
13 Battlemasters.
For the Upgrades test you could use these squad sizes, then apply all the upgrades, then see which faction spends more, then add more tanks to the cheapest ones until you match (as closely as posssible without exceeding) the price of the most expensive one.
Always happy to see the CnC games still being rich in content even after nearly 30 years.
Good video. All factions are unique and that is important for an RTS.
Big damn shame that they killed the series with Rivals and _The Game That Shall Not Be Named_
Hey, it's that small YTer who made the *BULGARIAN EMPIRE IN KAISERREICH* series.
@@JuanMatteoReal
It was a good playthrough. Very good job by the devs.
@@ember2933 Rivals? What is that? Isn't Kane's wrath the last C & C?😅
@@felixleong61 Nope, the last C&C game is C&C: Rivals, a mobile game.
People got real mad when it was announced, people expected a new classic style RTS C&C game, but instead they got a crappy mobile game with microtransactions.
Rivals was the final nail in the coffin for the series.
One thing you should have done is tell players what hot key is needed for each Tank and Upgrade.
Being reminded of that kind of information in a video like this is extremely helpful to a beginner.
It may sound miniscule. But having videos teach me about hotkeys is so useful and helps me memorize the hotkeys much easier. :)
Great video otherwise. Really really like this format and super useful for RotR beginners.
Nice to see a new ROTR uploader,
Each one of these tanks have their pros and cons, also when you will use them.
So I hope you'll be up to listening to it on a discord call, maybe we can record it :)
It's so cool to see USA_Bruce comment on my video! It would be awesome to do a collaboration together and I would love that.
It's interesting that the ECA tank is called the Leopard cause it's design philosophy actually matches that of the Chieftain. The actual German Leopard tank was lightweight and fairly cheap, being kind of like the battlemaster. Using mobility, numbers and firepower to overwhelm the enemy from fairly close range. It also had armor very spread out and a lot of anti infantry weapons cause the idea was to have the artillery and air support take out the enemy tanks and then the leopards would launch the counter attack. The British Chieftain was meant to endure an enemy tank attack and break it from positions.
@@MrMarinus18 Uninstall warthunder and take your meds.
Honestly, what's up the the USAs coaxial MGs? They're better used a decoration than actually killing things
They're to ensure the tank is still able to attack infantry whilst preventing friendly fire when the tanks are crushing infantry.
@@madgavin7568So other three tanks which do not have machine guns still get friendly fire?
I appreciate the amount of detail you put into the analysis in your video. I have learned a good deal from watching this. Thank you for making and uploading this video.
Great job on the video! Very informative! I've never been very good at this game and this breakdown really helped. Keep up the good work!
Wow! I loved this video. the detail of your builds is top tier my dude.
Scorpion: As fast as I can
Well he really meant it
The Fully Upgraded Test with Battlemaster at 18:55, the battlemaster is not firing back at the Leopard, although that wont make much differences.
I continue watch until the rematch at 19:50 and found out it was a draw. Huh
Good catch! I'll have to set the AI's aggression a little higher next time.
@@comm1098 I think the best way to probably do it is to give both units a direct attack order, to minimize "reaction time" differences.
Awesome video m8! Keep up the good work!
best video i ever saw, so happy that I found your channel 😍😍
I always like this kind of video. Thank for make this
Very cool video, seems more like a little tutorial about upgrades and units
Now this is high quality content
Can't believe how the Scorpion went from the worst main tank in the game in terms of surviving a 1v1 encounter to second best with only a few upgrades.
I think it can even beat Kodiak with recycled rocket pods upgrade but video owner did not try it.
Can't believe I still recognize the Freedom Fighter's OST. Loved that gem! Amazing video too, really makes me want to pick it up again. Very helpful info.
Wow! That was very good Rise of the Reds. Thank you for showing us.
Happy that this community is still alive, you've definitely earned a sub
As a ROTR fan boy i love this fucking vid soo much bro thanks for giving the world a gift
My love of China's horde is so massive in late game. Purchasing tanks in 2 by 1 order.
Very well-made :)
Makes sense the Kodiak beats every other factions main tank in a 1vs1, the thing is so slow and quite expensive for a main tank
Hover Skorpion is just the best thing. Nyooom
I think that the leopard tank and the kodiak tank are much stronger than the others and it upsets the balance
Both of them take a considerably long time to build. The leopard takes almost as long as a freaking overlord to build.
@Russian Bot Blyat Blyot raptor can kill kodiak on one run?
You need to realise that every faction does things differently
USA doesn't need a strong ground force because it has the most powerful Air force out of the all
China is all about the hordes
And GLA is not a conventional faction
Reasons for this.
There is a balance as everyone says. The Kodiak and Leopard have long spawn times and are very expensive. However, Russia having the strongest MBT is sorta the point as Russia is a brute force armored warfare faction. They are SUPPOSED to be unchallenged in armored fights, as ROTR makes it clear that Russia is especially made to be for armored supremacy.
Did you use the standard version of RotR?
Are the upgrades additive?
What does +x armor mean? More HP? Damage reduction?
I like to think of your guides as information given to a general of some 4th neutral faction (my guess would be India)by that factions inteligence agency about its main rivals
Can you do Red Alert 2 Mental Omega units?
Looks liek a lot of hours went into this thanks heaps for making this bro
Amazing content!!
Curious whats ur fav tank
The Overlord is definitely one of my favorites due to childhood nostalgia.
From ROTR I absolutely love the Golem tank!
How do you obtain weapons of different arsenals for your videos? I want to test some things but testing against an hostile AI isn't very convenient.
Noice 👍😎👌
wait i didntt know you can call in a star lifter via crusader?
Need to play this again.
I have a question
What version you have rn?
Cause am stuck at 1.87 version and I been looking for the newest version.
1.87 is the most recent version available, 1.9 is still in developpment.
I always wished the CnC Red Alert series, Generals, ZH had accurate names, abilities, armor, armament, and so on. Very much like how War Thunder does it.
Yep, pretty typical for the GLA and Soviets. Fast but flimsy yet packing a punch with upgrades. And the other is slow, but sturdy and packs a wallop.
Longrange artilery comparasion please
I just watched your vid just now and I noticed that on the usa crusader part for the upgrades you didn't add one of the three battle phases from the strategy center.
I know it's not a direct upgrade as it's for all but during gameplay, all players and ai use any of the three which kinda makes some minor difference on combat.
Anyways that's just my small nitpick. I love these kinds of vids man!
Man i always were afraid of hordes of scorpion tanks😢
Spesial weapon comparaion please
USA should have the best tank in the game. Expecially if upgraded to the M1a2 w/ the latest SEP version (I think that's what it is called).
Nah.... We already have the Paladin tank in the game. Which is basically a M1A2 with a laser turret defense.
Also the Hover upgrade it'll reduce the armor of the crusader making them glass cannon to all AT units with composite it'll negate the effect as well
Its new update?
From what I know there is only 3 team u can play... how do u get the other 2 team
It's a mod called "Rise of the Reds"
seeing it saying an extra 25% range and it's barely a vehicle length behind the stock vehicle just gives me a small laugh
why bother to have a co-axel if its ineffective againt a sigle guy...
The newly crusader tank cannon sounds like a pure 90mm Smoothbore Gun of a 90mm M41 of a guardian tanks
The Crusader should of been renamed the M1 or M1a1. The fact that it takes more then 1 shot form the main gun to kill an infantry soldier or a group of them in a tight proximity to each other has always been weird to me. Plus not have machine guns to begin with is also weird (i.e. vanilla CnC Generals / zh).
Never played Rise of the Reds, so I have a question. How go general promotion tanks (Paladins, Marauders, or whatever equivalents in the RF or ECA) fare against the standard ones? Would a Kodiak with missile turrets get smoked by a tank that could simply laser half of them out of the sky?
Kodiak would beat Paladin's ass. Without a rocket
@@stuglifetankdestroyer6010 Slightly ironic that an upgrade should give such a crippling weakness.
When I play, I never use the Nuclear tanks upgrade for the Battlemaster, because I felt it was too much of a liability.
1) Is the scorpion rocket pod from the GLA scrap able to stack with scorpion rockets? Can we see how well stacking both does it possible?
2) Does the canister shot for the leopard affect it's range or damage to other tanks?
3) Could you show how well 'same cost' and 'same numbers' fights go? It feels the leopard is very comparable to the battlemaster when unupgraded, but more expensive? Also how much hP is left?
Overall I liked the video, I am so glad to see this mod get love
For 2) canister round doing almost no damage to armour unit...just like you shoot tank using shotgun
1) Yes it does
More on 2) unlocking Canister Shells gives the Leopard the ability to toggle between normal shells and canister shells. You're not permanently losing out on anti-tank damage by purchasing the upgrade. (Same goes for the Kodiak's Refleks Rocket upgrade.)
Kodiak almost 2x the cost of some tanks = comparison , oh battle master and scorpion loses to it. Pretty sure fully upgraded horde of battlemasters would win vs Kodiaks for same value.
And the same can be said for Scorpion tanks, which would kite kodiaks for days.
Freedom Fighters soundtrack : D
Where do i buy this game?
It's free, just go to the link.
Kodiak Tank: I may not win races, but I am still strong and powerful. Mostly..
What's the use for a coaxial gun if it's ineffective against infantry?
It disables the main gun so as to prevent friendly fire when the tanks are crushing infantry.
@@madgavin7568 seems impractical
@@j.madelozo8222 I mean tanks are supposed to crush infantry in-game, and its pretty annoying when using groups of tanks as they damage and even destroy each other as the tanks are running infantry over. The coaxial MG kinda helps as it gives them a weapon (of sorts) that doesn't damage each other.
Plus the coaxial MG does a bit more damage combined with the main gun against lighter vehicles like Technicals.
@@madgavin7568So other three tanks who do not have machine guns still have friendly fire?
Hi, I was wondering if someone knows did rise of the reds 2.0 already launch or if not when is it due to? I've stopped playing ROtR some time ago, so I am not up to date
It has not launched yet. The mod was in hiatus for a long time. But good news! It was just announced earlier this year that the creators have resumed work on the mod. There will be a version 1.9 before 2.0.
@@comm1098 Thank you thats great news i look forward to it
So what’s up with the coaxial machine guns? I like the animations and sounds but they are useless lol
Leopard deserves better man..
I would have liked though if the Kodiak had the same retaliation ability to the conscript had. That it is Russia's signiture just like the horde bonus is for China.
Giving it Camaraderie is too OP when it's already the most powerful Tank unupgraded, and it getting a Combat boost is too far
@@Randomgamer-di3ow Then make some number based changes to bring it down again.
@@MrMarinus18 The kodiak's speciality (and Russian Doctrine in general) is having Fairly Weak Infantry but having absurdly powerful vehicles and Assault Armaments (The Mauler dominating in its Role being able to take out Light vehicles faster than other Troop carriers like the Technical or Humvee) and the Kodiak outclassing all of the MBTs in everything but Cost and Speed and then there's the Sentinel, the Golem and Blackbear which are so powerful that the Overlord looks like a light tank in comparison
@@Randomgamer-di3ow The Golem is great, the Sentinal though is far too specialized and cumbersome.
But you do make a good point that the Russian vehicles are very quality heavy so it wouldn't make sense for them to have that ability as they are not meant to be expendible.
@@Randomgamer-di3ow The weird thing is that despite the weak infantry Russia has like 3-4 transport vehicles.
The overlord is a support vehicle first and foremost.
How is your game run so smoothly with this mod I get like 3 fps
Do you have the game patched with GenPatcher and do you have GenTool installed? GenPatcher fixes a lot of the issues that allow the game to run more smoothly on modern machines. GenTool does some other fixes too and lets you play online. Try those and see if it runs better.
@@comm1098 Thx man it worked 😎😌
A machine gun that is ineffective against infantry?..
Coz no one wants an OP MBT being also effective against troops without compromise
Just run over the troops!
Yeah makes no sense to me, why even add it then?
Russian tanks are really effective but way too expensive to build cost more than the other faction.
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Russian Tanks are only OP in games, And the scorpion seems the most lethal once you fully upgrade it, Thanks for this video mate!
Tbf you’ll only get that level of upgrade for the scorpion if you are winning the game/you control the map.
@@caelestigladii and if you get tier 1 GLA salvage to get the Scrap truck Recycler upgrade that allows them to drop Scrap piles for 50 bucks
Leopard needs a buff. it's some overpriced crap
Crusader should of also had the uranium upgrade as well. Plus the name changed to M1a1 w/ the ability to upgrade to M1a2 (or have it as one the advance tanks). I never understood why C&C games never used the vehicles real names w/ the actual armament they had (i.e. the USA hasn't used the 105mm on a MBT for at least 40 years). Why is the coaxial machine gun such dog shit?
You didn’t give attack order to the “targets”. This resulted in some units not firing back for a few shots before responding. In fact, I saw 1 tank get shot to death without moving at all. It makes a lot of difference for “close fights”. I assume this issue is the reason why the Kodiak’s missile weapons weren’t used in the final 1v1s?
USA strategy centre failed to make an appearance. It’s bonus effect is still considered an upgrade.
I don’t remember seeing the USA missile drone in the test. (forgot name of drone)
Leopard didn’t seem to have nano shock absorber in final 1v1?
No horde bonus for BMs.
A critique with all negative observations? Well, you got everything else right. Hope to see more and improved videos.
Suggestion: It’s a lot of work but consider treating vehicles with differing weapon loadouts as different vehicles. Ex: A crusader with battledrone might perform different from crusader with targetting drone. Or kodiak with cannon vs a kodiak with missile launcher.
waiting over a decade for this finally to be done. "its done when its done" is such lame thing for a developer to say.
Would you rather have it that they rush development, and release the mod filled with bugs and other issues? There's plenty of other games to play in the meantime.
You're the type of guy who wants a game to be released early and actively complain that it's full of bugs.
devs aren’t college students anymore, they have bills to pay and this mod aint gonna do that
So... after this whole war thing do we like, downgrade all the Russian vehicles to be realistically crap and in non-working condition?
*edit* i know it may come off as trolling but I'm actually really curious what the current geopolitical situation means for future "modern era" RTS games.
If you want to make a good game, then the vehicles will be functional and decent. Unless you give the army with shitty tanks VERY good aircraft or infantry and balance around that.
Generals was done in the early 2000s, so it was shortly after the Twin Towers attack (9/11 2001) and the US had been in the middle east for at least 3 decades.
Now look at the GLA: they make use of terror tactics, are displayed as overtly zealous and they use Cold war and even WW2 vehicles, often patched up with scrap.
So no, the current geopolitical situation doesn't (and shouldn't) affect videogame development.
RTS is about game mechanics, the "modern era" just make use of current day (or slightly into the future) tech and aesthetics.
You can also set your game in an alternate timeline (as GEN/ZH, ROTR and SHW do) and give the middle finger to current events. Or just make it about current events, but make everyone look like clowns and/or assholes.
The current ukraine/russia conflict? Both sides are full of shit. Both Ukr and Rus politicians and military are so deep into bullshit that you could make a whole new bull out of the shit. Not something I would make a game about, unless to mock them.
Wanna try something serious? Make a game about, I dunno, "Warlords of Africa" in which you get factions such as Somali Pirates, Nigerian Enslavers and so on. You could have a campaign mode for different factions, a skirmish/multiplayer mode and a Conquest mode similar to the Global Conquest in Kane's Wrath mode.
@@ismaelsantos5378 Thanks for your answer, interesting read!
Kodiak is a russian made tank hahahahah theres to manny T-90 and T-72 in Ukraine had bin destroyed
The Ukrainians used javelins and hit-and-run tactics!At least the Ukrainians have no tanks left! while the Russian Federation has tens of thousands of tanks!
Rather, let's see how the Leopards and Abrams will feel in the Ukrainian swamps of the plains and forests))))))
Battlemaster needs it horde bonus to compete lel
Why are the Americans using a British tank?