Love the algorithm pushing smaller Zelda content creators, you deserve so much more views and support excited to see your videos going forward. Great editing and sound btw!
I’m glad it did its thing and brought us together! Also thanks for the editing and audio props! Huge shoutout to Moxie and Z Hyrule Fantasy (the guy who made the amazing edits) for being a big part of this video as well. I’m constantly trying to challenge myself and grow. And I really lucked out by having the opportunity to make a video with the two of them.
Coming back here after Tears of the Kingdom, and........... yeah! Zonai becoming dragons after achieving spiritual enlightenment, the Imperial Family being descended from dragons... yeah this is pretty bang-on the money
There’s so many details that even I didn’t know about until recently. I wish I had 75 more days to make theory content but that still probably wouldn’t be enough time 😅 Thanks Joshua!
I vaguely remember the tear on the Sheikah emblem was said to have been added after the Royal family betrayed the Sheikah tribe before the events of OoT. Does anyone else remember that or am I trippin?
This seems familiar, I've got a few old guides and whatnot that may have something in one of the story snippets. Gave me a reason to go thru more LoZ stuff. Thanks!
Regarding 9:30: Hylians, or People of Hylia, refers specifically to the ethnicity of long-eared humans, which also includes Sheikah and in some circumstances Gerudo. Hyrulean refers to people who live in or or historically connected to Hyrule, and encompasses all its peoples.
Originally I was going to comment that the speculative translation of that Japanese is kinda eeeeehhhhh. It reminds me, a bit of sentiment I see sometimes in Japanese learning circles who like to suggest that people who don't speak Japanese natively will never truly understand it, which; as Colonel Potter in MASH would say, is horse-hockey. The problem isn't inaccurate translations at all. You can know, pretty confidently a translation from any language to another language is correct. Where it gets messy is when you take into account culture, or inherent properties of the language that will never translate, like puns, rhyming, and etc. For example, did you know that the name Rito is a not very hidden joke/reference to something in real life? Rito is made of up two syllables in Japanese; り and と. If you reverse the order of those words you get とり (tori). Tori, is the Japanese word for "bird." But you are kind of correct as well. It can even, and often is, true that interpretation of intent within the same language is disputed. A silly example of this is the sentence: "I saw her duck" What does that mean? Without context it could mean a woman ducked. Or it could mean that a person saw a duck belonging to a woman. The point is, the problem you describe is so much worse than between languages. It's not unique to translation. Which I guess is kind of me agreeing with you. One nitpicky aside though. Japanese isn't really more efficient than English. Japanese writing can be more efficient (and often is). Which is important in a game where the story is written out. But they are still constrained by syllables and the rules of the language. For example, take the English sentence: "I think I saw her in the store" The Japanese translation (at least how I would translate it) would be: 店で彼女を見たと思います Which is less characters, but not less syllables. If wrote that out in hiragana it would be: みせでかのじょをみたとおもいます 15 syllables in Japanese versus 8 in English. And that's not even getting into where we have words to describe a thing/action where they don't (this goes both ways though). For example: "I'm hungry" = "お腹がすきました" = "My stomach became empty" Language is messy. It's a miracle it works at all.
I was seriously looking for a video like this for so long. I really like Zelda games but just don’t have the money to buy older consoles to play them all. But I’ve been really intrigued by the gods en goddesses in Hyrule and this is really cool to find out. Can’t wait to hear more theory’s
Wow, your Zelda video is an absolute masterpiece! Your attention to detail and dedication to the game really shines through in the 35 minutes of captivating gameplay. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time, completely immersed in the world of Hyrule. Thank you for sharing your incredible talent with us, and keep up the amazing work!
Hey there wiz. I wanted to point out something. The three elemental dragons that were in breath of the wild in tears of the Kingdom have the names similar to the three golden goddesses. And since Zelda is the vessel of hylia. She at the end of the game becomes a dragon. But if you look at her dragon form she narrow nose and sharper face. But if you look at the other dragons they look more like Zonai. Evenin original Japanese lore some kami are dragons. And in order to become an immortal dragon one must swallow the sacred stone. As Zelda did in tears of the kingdom. Now the Three dragons have a deep connection to the triforce. Because of the springs they guard. What if the three golden goddesses were actually Zonai who then again in the game lore descended upon the world and appeared as Gods. And the triforce isn't no longer necessary anymore because those are a product of lesser gods. So we focus ourselves to the goddess hylia. Because she's a greater light force. And Zelda becoming a dragon was an inevitable event in order to recreate the master sword in order to fight demises curse. But I've also noticed a bloodline issue with the royal family when it comes to Zelda. The sheikah have to be a part of the bloodline in order for Zelda to be reincarnated. Especially in ocarina of time. One line always kept bothering me especially in young Zelda's introductory scene. When the player learns the Zelda's lullaby. Impa sings her a lullaby Even though the sages of light is King Ruaru and impa the age of shadow could be the king and queen of that time. Even in breath of the wild You Don't see the queen of Hyrule. I believe that the princess has to have a combination of sheikah and royal blood in order to reincarnate. An if like the other stages are not the only ones who reincarnate other characters reincarnate as well. Like Malon from ocarina of Time you don't have to be sage to reincarnate in the land of Hyrule or be a hero you have to be involved with them I believe though. Know who can Malon reincarnate to I think your obvious choice is Beetle in breath of the wild. Because of three things beetle does not throw his arms up holding them together unless being involved with interaction with link past life memory like how malon sings in OofT. Pointing out even selective environment is involved with reincarnation memory and character. Even then in breath of the wild he does have a comment about being married in a previous life. Because of crossing paths multiple time. Even then beetle is not very far from "horse stables."
One small correction about the mention of "kami-sama". It is Fado, the late wind sage, who tells that to Link when he learns the Wind God's Aria. Great video, by the way!
Maybe this doesn't mean anyting, but Tatl pray for the "Godness of Time" the first time they confront Skull Kid in the Clock Tower, and it can be a deity from Termina because they only have the 4 giants, so maybe Hylia was hinted since Majora Mask
@@wizcatcheslightning Other things I like to point are that Termina had, at least, the knowlodge about the Golden Goddsses, since we can find the Triforce around Stone Tower. Tatl knowing about Hylia makes me think that fairies are not originaly from Termina, because they dont have the same fancy Fairy Spring like Ocarina of Time, and they are weak against Majora's power, but this probable means nothing.
@@yxranauran6332 well we know they can go outside of Termina if they’re from there because we see them outside of that world before Link ever enters. It’s interesting to ponder regardless 🤗
WIZCATCHESLIGHTNING !!! I have had a revelation and it would KILL ME if I didn't share it with someone who knew what i was talking about: I watched your video on Richard and Hylia with Moxie. You and her proposed that Richard is a shapeshifter able to become a dragon as a guide to Link. I didn't read the artbook and I don't know any spoilers aside that some people translated Richards name in the Japanese artbook as (GET THIS): " Rauru ". DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS? It means that if Richard is part of the Zonai from 10,000 years ago, Rauru from Ocarina of Time was Richard in disguise or shapeshifted to look like a Hylian. This would go along with the fact that there are SEVEN sages (think SEVEN tears of the kingdom) and each sage is one of the following races in Hyrule: Hylian: Zelda Kokiri: Saria Sheikah: Impa Gerudo: Nabooru Goron: Darunia Zora: Ruto Hylian: Rauru Did you catch that? TWO HYLIANS. If Zonai are in Tears of the Kingdom and in ancient Hyrule, wouldn't there be a ZONAI SAGE instead of TWO HYLIAN SAGES???? Was Richard disguised as a Hylian to become a sage, the representative of the Zonai??? So sorry for the insanely long amount of text: I've been holding it in and couldn't keep it to myself. Please feel free to make any theories or lore vids with this information, and tell me if you already knew. I would LOVE to hear your thoughts.
I already knew but let me go one further for you: light, when concentrated, is the color white. What happens when solid white light splits into 7? It splits into the 7 colors of the visible spectrum: ROY-G-BIV 😎 Did you notice there’s a Zelda looking figure in the Zonai murals standing and holding hands with a Zonai figure? They have two Tears above their heads…the Light Temple has always been connected to the Temple of Time 😎
Actually the word Megami does appear in more games then the Two you referred to, in Adventure of Link the item we know in English as "Trophy" is in Japanese called Megami Zo.
10:55 “Much like how the God of Christianity shed His divinity to become Jesus” I get that this is not at all the point of the video, but this isn’t really accurate to Christian beliefs. The classical definition is that Jesus retains both divine and human nature (fully God and fully man). At best, you give a poor understanding of the incarnation that leans too much on the heresies of modalism and kenoticism. I get the point you are trying to make, but Christ doesn’t really work as an allegory for Hylia - Disney’s Hercules would be a bit more accurate, Jesus is more akin to one of the Golden Goddesses. Imprecise theology aside, good video! I thoroughly enjoyed the dive into Zelda lore
Yes, because Jesus is both God and Man yet also part of the Holy Trinity. It’s a neat aspect of the Holy Mystery. I had to grab something tangible even though it’s not exactly 1:1. I disagree about the golden goddesses aspect being more accurate, but I can see what led you there. The golden goddesses “ascend into the heavens” which, if you look at that with a lens of Shintoism/Buddhism, means they escaped Samsara (unless we hear about them/see them in TOTK and get told otherwise). Glad you enjoyed the video! Happy to talk more religion or whatever interests you. I’m going to have to look into moralism and kenoticism for certain (first time actually hearing about those)! Most importantly, thank you for watching/commenting 🤗
"Kami sama" is not one god. It's just "god" with honorific. It's just a "polite" way to refer to any divine beings. The Japanese religion is not monotheism, so you have to see things without the Abrahamic religion lens.
@@wizcatcheslightning kami its a status of spirit dont mean god but more like sacred spirit or a spirt is worthy of honor and respect, even a normal human can become a kami if they give honor and respect,
Thanks for watching and commenting! I’d recommend checking out QuestWithAaron while you have time (while I’m trying to make other interesting content 😅)
Thanks! That means a lot to me. And thanks for being honest! Will leave you out of the contest (unless you change your mind and tell me), but you could just keep the copy sealed if you get it, and let it grow in value 😎👉👉
Hylia was intended to be part of the lore before even that. There was that big N64 file leak a couple years ago which has a demo build of Ocarina of Time for the Spaceworld presentation in it. In that, the Temple of Time was then named the "Cathedral of Hylia". The design on some of the temple's stonework and on the time blocks was more obvious as well, showing a winged female form, near identical to later Hylia depictions. Likely they would have had to have explained this 4th goddess if they went with that but then realised they didn't have enough time to do so. This is also further evidence that Hylia's particular sphere of influence is time. Yes, she is the guardian of this world and the triforce, but how better to do that than to have dominion of time? This is how she is so seamlessly able to put her plans into motion regarding becoming Zelda. I think you're wrong about some things, though. I used to think that "Richard" was singular. One of a kind, and not a zonai, but closely connected to them. I now think (2 days before we all find out so 11th hour theorising here) that there are others like him...but that he isn't a typical zonai. I think there is a process, maybe a process of enlightenment or exposure to divine forces that turn mortals, such as the zonai into kami. Richard is halfway between zonai and kami/dragon. But I do not think that typical zonai are inherently dragons. I think that "mystery tanned woman" is on that path too. She's a little more than other zonai, but not as far along as Richard, and definitely not as far along as Dinraal, Naydra, And Farosh. Yes, I think the 3 known dragons were mortal once. It could be possible that this process is tied to the tears. I say this only because we know already that both mystery woman and Richard use one. The flaw in this theory is that the three dragons do not have one. But that dodesn't mean that they didn't at one point. I refer back to Eastern dragon mythology in how dragons were nearly always said to guard a sacred stone of some sort. I should disclose that I've seen the art book leaks, although I've vehemently avoided the full game leak. That said, nothing in the artbook has really contributed to my theory, beyond having reason to think that zonai don't typically look like Richard.
Great thoughts here! I would genuinely love to chat more if you want. Before ever reading this, I’ve been contemplating making a revelatory video of sorts regarding the last questions I asked in this video. I think I’m going to do it but not say it in full. Let people decide for themselves
You know if you include the radicals I think they are call that make up the symbols for washing machine it's about 11 characters give or take, I've seen Japan people read kanji they don't know like a word they don't know and guess the meaning from the smaller symbols that make up that kanji like letters in a word.
The is a tiny frog from Puerto Rico called Coquí. I didn't know Kokiri meant forest child. That means that the coquí is part of the Zelda universe and the great Deku tree lives somewhere in the island😂. Talking about the Deku tree. Puerto Rico has a tree called Ceiba. They are trees that can live for hundreds of years and they are huge. Again, the Kokiri forest is somewhere in Puerto Rico. (The Ceiba tree grows in many parts of the world. It was considered sacred by the Maya).
Great video you've got here. You make really great videos and I actually have notifications on for you. One thing I love to see becoming more popular that I see in all your videos is double checking with the original Japanese script. This has some interesting information I've never thought of. Like one thing is I never really thought about how they changed Zeldas eye color in Breath of the Wild. For a while I've been kinda tired of seeing theories trying to connect the Shiekah to the Twili and Zonai because it feels like a stretch a lot of the time. This video however presents interesting points no one ever talks about. I particularly like the Wind Waker section of the video. I never really thought about where the Wind Waker came from and it's interesting to see you bring it back to Hyila. Wind Waker has some really interesting lore implications that I think get overlooked a lot. Some of the points you've made regarding Tears of the Kingdom are really good and I hope within the next few days, we can see them be true. Also, think of this. What if the Shiekah were originally dragons descended from the God Tribe? Impa in Skyward Sword could be related to the God Tribe which could explain her longer life span.
That could very well be plausible! Also, great to see you again, and glad you found the info helpful and expansive to topics you’re curious about. That was definitely the goal!
Oh wow what a great vid! I'm so excited for TotK and these videos are just killin' me! I can't afford to grab it on release day so I'm crossing my fingers. Thank you for having this giveaway!!
The Twili disappeared and the Zonai disappeared. Midna’s fused shadow mask has the eyes of Majora’s mask, and Rauru’s amulet is Majora’s mask. The zonai have the power of life and puppeting. Majora’s mask puppets Skull Kid. The Twili are Zonai, and Majora was a Zonai
Ah but the Twili were banished. The Zonai did disappear however. Rauru’s amulet has 3 eyes while Majora’s Mask has 2. Regardless, this is all interesting to think about so I appreciate you sharing!
Majoras mask is a more warped and evil variation of Rauru's necklace. So you could make the argument that it was made to make fun of the gods or defy their existence much like the yiga clan with their upside down tear of the shiekah.
@Wiz Catches Lightning Glad you liked it :) When I saw the necklace for the first time it's what I automatically considered since Majoras mask was my favorite game in the series
It’s so unfortunate to see elements of this theory (and of the video before it) disproven by TOTK now that it’s out. Because it was very well thought out and articulated. Sadly, “Richard” is indeed a Zonai and not at all a dragon.
If you’re going to discredit the fact that the Zonai historically partook in the ritual of draconification and let that further discredit everything else we got right in this video, well then I don’t know what to tell you. No one’s ever going to be 100% on theories. What’s certain is that y’all need a follow up video on all of this 😅
@@wizcatcheslightning i have a curious hiptohesis with draconification XD, maybe zonai like ruaru and the other dragons are true eternal dragons when zelda and ganondorf are like not a true eternal, like when goku and vegeta use fussion with the errings and when a god use, goku and vegeta is imperfect when god is forever, zelda and ganondorf both have like a weak spot, for zelda the master sword its like she suffer when we try to extract it, and ganondorf the big gem(true probably most gameplay than other thing XD) when the other dragons have no weakspoot almost no visible
What if mount Hylia is just the statue of Hylia from Skyward sword purposely buried by the Sheika, just a thought that popped in my head as I was driving. Lol
@@wizcatcheslightning if you look at the comparisons of sky loft to the great plateau, they like up the statue of hylia with the temple of time, and the river of the dead with the existing water on skyloft. But if you flip the skyloft map 180 and line the statue with mount hylia; the river of the dead is that empty space in front of the statue of Hylia and the lowest part of skyloft when it was in the air (the water) is now dried and the forest of spirits. It lines up pretty well and I like it, lol
@@wizcatcheslightning yea, I can throw that together for you when I get a chance or after work, gotta have a place to send it though, I didn’t see an email on your page. Or there’s that discord in the making, could be called “the Lightning Rod” because that’s where the lightning gathers, or something like that 😂
@@wizcatcheslightning thanks buddy!! I will just as soon as he gets back inside lol he's bee n out much longer than usual and i'm worried but hopefully he's ok
@@dudleythedragonninjagaming5941 our kids always find a way to make us worry! I’ll keep him in my thoughts. Lux was the same way, so I’m sure he’s doing alright 🤗
@Wiz Catches Lightning you're welcome, keep it up. Lore question: in the Japanese culture, is there a specific way in which people shape-shift to dragons or vice versa? Do they have to die? Drink a potion? Can they just...do it?
@@Matthew10950 I reckon I would need to better understand Japanese to better glean that info. But with the lore of the Dragon’s Pearl specifically, the relic the Triforce symbolizes, a boy accidentally swallows the pearl and turns into a dragon as a result.
@@wizcatcheslightning finally finished the video and i'm yelling at my TV because I know exactly what you're alluding to in that last bit and have been DYING to see someone talk about it
@@wizcatcheslightning the way you were talking about Forore and wind, in context of the pecking order concept, I’m curious to hear your take on the Wind tribe and Minish/Picori
yoooo nice job wiz & zhyrule ❤❤❤
This looks amazing!
Could not have done it without you Mox 😎
Looking forward to exploring these gods more with you
Love the algorithm pushing smaller Zelda content creators, you deserve so much more views and support excited to see your videos going forward. Great editing and sound btw!
I’m glad it did its thing and brought us together! Also thanks for the editing and audio props! Huge shoutout to Moxie and Z Hyrule Fantasy (the guy who made the amazing edits) for being a big part of this video as well. I’m constantly trying to challenge myself and grow. And I really lucked out by having the opportunity to make a video with the two of them.
A new age of Zelda Lore is upon us all!
Is that the famous Zeldatuber Moxie Watts? POG!
Coming back here after Tears of the Kingdom, and........... yeah!
Zonai becoming dragons after achieving spiritual enlightenment, the Imperial Family being descended from dragons... yeah this is pretty bang-on the money
Rock n roll 😎
Loved the video! Hadn’t paid attention to Zelda’s eye color change until you mentioned it.
There’s so many details that even I didn’t know about until recently. I wish I had 75 more days to make theory content but that still probably wouldn’t be enough time 😅
Thanks Joshua!
He's finally finished the video!!!!
I sure did 😎
I vaguely remember the tear on the Sheikah emblem was said to have been added after the Royal family betrayed the Sheikah tribe before the events of OoT. Does anyone else remember that or am I trippin?
Not sure, but that’s interesting as all heck!
This seems familiar, I've got a few old guides and whatnot that may have something in one of the story snippets. Gave me a reason to go thru more LoZ stuff. Thanks!
@@jarrodblack1231 I did a little digging and I THINK what i'm remembering might have come from the OoT Manga. I'm not entirely certain though.
@@ActionHankBeard Yeah, that's correct! We don't know if that's necessarily canon, but that is where that tidbit comes from
Really well made! It's so cool seeing so many Zeldatubers doing collabs recently
Thanks Steve! Yeah, it’s a tight knit community and the torch is about to be passed to Tears of the Kingdom. It’s making us sentimental 🥲
For sure! I'm so hyped for Tears of the Kingdom. I can't wait to start theorizing and see what things we've gotten wrong or right
Regarding 9:30:
Hylians, or People of Hylia, refers specifically to the ethnicity of long-eared humans, which also includes Sheikah and in some circumstances Gerudo.
Hyrulean refers to people who live in or or historically connected to Hyrule, and encompasses all its peoples.
I hear ya! Think of the Sheikah as Hylians who serve as the bridge between the Hylians and the “gods” despite them being Hylian
Originally I was going to comment that the speculative translation of that Japanese is kinda eeeeehhhhh. It reminds me, a bit of sentiment I see sometimes in Japanese learning circles who like to suggest that people who don't speak Japanese natively will never truly understand it, which; as Colonel Potter in MASH would say, is horse-hockey.
The problem isn't inaccurate translations at all. You can know, pretty confidently a translation from any language to another language is correct. Where it gets messy is when you take into account culture, or inherent properties of the language that will never translate, like puns, rhyming, and etc. For example, did you know that the name Rito is a not very hidden joke/reference to something in real life? Rito is made of up two syllables in Japanese; り and と. If you reverse the order of those words you get とり (tori). Tori, is the Japanese word for "bird."
But you are kind of correct as well. It can even, and often is, true that interpretation of intent within the same language is disputed. A silly example of this is the sentence: "I saw her duck" What does that mean? Without context it could mean a woman ducked. Or it could mean that a person saw a duck belonging to a woman.
The point is, the problem you describe is so much worse than between languages. It's not unique to translation. Which I guess is kind of me agreeing with you.
One nitpicky aside though. Japanese isn't really more efficient than English. Japanese writing can be more efficient (and often is). Which is important in a game where the story is written out. But they are still constrained by syllables and the rules of the language.
For example, take the English sentence: "I think I saw her in the store"
The Japanese translation (at least how I would translate it) would be: 店で彼女を見たと思います
Which is less characters, but not less syllables. If wrote that out in hiragana it would be: みせでかのじょをみたとおもいます
15 syllables in Japanese versus 8 in English.
And that's not even getting into where we have words to describe a thing/action where they don't (this goes both ways though). For example: "I'm hungry" = "お腹がすきました" = "My stomach became empty"
Language is messy. It's a miracle it works at all.
Excellent insight here! I appreciate you sharing this 🤗
It's insane how much you guys got right about TOTK simply by looking at past games.
I was seriously looking for a video like this for so long. I really like Zelda games but just don’t have the money to buy older consoles to play them all. But I’ve been really intrigued by the gods en goddesses in Hyrule and this is really cool to find out. Can’t wait to hear more theory’s
Happy to scratch that itch for you Jim!
Wow, your Zelda video is an absolute masterpiece! Your attention to detail and dedication to the game really shines through in the 35 minutes of captivating gameplay. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time, completely immersed in the world of Hyrule. Thank you for sharing your incredible talent with us, and keep up the amazing work!
Thanks Lucid. Good to see you, mane 😎
Great video my guy!
Couldn’t have done it without you! Sincerely
@@wizcatcheslightning Ayy no problem, it was a blast!
Hey there wiz. I wanted to point out something. The three elemental dragons that were in breath of the wild in tears of the Kingdom have the names similar to the three golden goddesses. And since Zelda is the vessel of hylia. She at the end of the game becomes a dragon. But if you look at her dragon form she narrow nose and sharper face. But if you look at the other dragons they look more like Zonai.
Evenin original Japanese lore some kami are dragons. And in order to become an immortal dragon one must swallow the sacred stone. As Zelda did in tears of the kingdom. Now the Three dragons have a deep connection to the triforce. Because of the springs they guard. What if the three golden goddesses were actually Zonai who then again in the game lore descended upon the world and appeared as Gods. And the triforce isn't no longer necessary anymore because those are a product of lesser gods. So we focus ourselves to the goddess hylia. Because she's a greater light force. And Zelda becoming a dragon was an inevitable event in order to recreate the master sword in order to fight demises curse.
But I've also noticed a bloodline issue with the royal family when it comes to Zelda. The sheikah have to be a part of the bloodline in order for Zelda to be reincarnated. Especially in ocarina of time. One line always kept bothering me especially in young Zelda's introductory scene. When the player learns the Zelda's lullaby. Impa sings her a lullaby Even though the sages of light is King Ruaru and impa the age of shadow could be the king and queen of that time. Even in breath of the wild You Don't see the queen of Hyrule. I believe that the princess has to have a combination of sheikah and royal blood in order to reincarnate.
An if like the other stages are not the only ones who reincarnate other characters reincarnate as well.
Like Malon from ocarina of Time you don't have to be sage to reincarnate in the land of Hyrule or be a hero you have to be involved with them I believe though.
Know who can Malon reincarnate to I think your obvious choice is Beetle in breath of the wild. Because of three things beetle does not throw his arms up holding them together unless being involved with interaction with link past life memory like how malon sings in OofT.
Pointing out even selective environment is involved with reincarnation memory and character.
Even then in breath of the wild he does have a comment about being married in a previous life. Because of crossing paths multiple time. Even then beetle is not very far from "horse stables."
One small correction about the mention of "kami-sama". It is Fado, the late wind sage, who tells that to Link when he learns the Wind God's Aria. Great video, by the way!
Thanks Jungleman 😎👍🏻
Maybe this doesn't mean anyting, but Tatl pray for the "Godness of Time" the first time they confront Skull Kid in the Clock Tower, and it can be a deity from Termina because they only have the 4 giants, so maybe Hylia was hinted since Majora Mask
Excellent point! I would need to look at the Japanese lore translated first to see if we can find the same kanji
@@wizcatcheslightning Other things I like to point are that Termina had, at least, the knowlodge about the Golden Goddsses, since we can find the Triforce around Stone Tower. Tatl knowing about Hylia makes me think that fairies are not originaly from Termina, because they dont have the same fancy Fairy Spring like Ocarina of Time, and they are weak against Majora's power, but this probable means nothing.
@@yxranauran6332 well we know they can go outside of Termina if they’re from there because we see them outside of that world before Link ever enters. It’s interesting to ponder regardless 🤗
WIZCATCHESLIGHTNING !!! I have had a revelation and it would KILL ME if I didn't share it with someone who knew what i was talking about:
I watched your video on Richard and Hylia with Moxie. You and her proposed that Richard is a shapeshifter able to become a dragon as a guide to Link. I didn't read the artbook and I don't know any spoilers aside that some people translated Richards name in the Japanese artbook as (GET THIS): " Rauru ".
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS? It means that if Richard is part of the Zonai from 10,000 years ago, Rauru from Ocarina of Time was Richard in disguise or shapeshifted to look like a Hylian.
This would go along with the fact that there are SEVEN sages (think SEVEN tears of the kingdom) and each sage is one of the following races in Hyrule:
Hylian: Zelda
Kokiri: Saria
Sheikah: Impa
Gerudo: Nabooru
Goron: Darunia
Zora: Ruto
Hylian: Rauru
Did you catch that? TWO HYLIANS. If Zonai are in Tears of the Kingdom and in ancient Hyrule, wouldn't there be a ZONAI SAGE instead of TWO HYLIAN SAGES???? Was Richard disguised as a Hylian to become a sage, the representative of the Zonai???
So sorry for the insanely long amount of text: I've been holding it in and couldn't keep it to myself. Please feel free to make any theories or lore vids with this information, and tell me if you already knew. I would LOVE to hear your thoughts.
I already knew but let me go one further for you: light, when concentrated, is the color white. What happens when solid white light splits into 7? It splits into the 7 colors of the visible spectrum: ROY-G-BIV 😎
Did you notice there’s a Zelda looking figure in the Zonai murals standing and holding hands with a Zonai figure? They have two Tears above their heads…the Light Temple has always been connected to the Temple of Time 😎
@@wizcatcheslightning Dude thats so cool
Actually the word Megami does appear in more games then the Two you referred to, in Adventure of Link the item we know in English as "Trophy" is in Japanese called Megami Zo.
I appreciate the correction here!
@@wizcatcheslightning You're Welcome.
also outlaw star is my all time favorite anime so i loved seeing that lol
I watched it for the first time in 2021 and it became one of my all time favorites. It’s soooo amazing/underrated 😎
I feel like a lot of zelda lore is lost in translation and context, this video helped shed light on that and it's great:D
Happy to help! Glad you think so. Thanks for watching!
10:55 “Much like how the God of Christianity shed His divinity to become Jesus” I get that this is not at all the point of the video, but this isn’t really accurate to Christian beliefs. The classical definition is that Jesus retains both divine and human nature (fully God and fully man). At best, you give a poor understanding of the incarnation that leans too much on the heresies of modalism and kenoticism. I get the point you are trying to make, but Christ doesn’t really work as an allegory for Hylia - Disney’s Hercules would be a bit more accurate, Jesus is more akin to one of the Golden Goddesses.
Imprecise theology aside, good video! I thoroughly enjoyed the dive into Zelda lore
Yes, because Jesus is both God and Man yet also part of the Holy Trinity. It’s a neat aspect of the Holy Mystery. I had to grab something tangible even though it’s not exactly 1:1. I disagree about the golden goddesses aspect being more accurate, but I can see what led you there. The golden goddesses “ascend into the heavens” which, if you look at that with a lens of Shintoism/Buddhism, means they escaped Samsara (unless we hear about them/see them in TOTK and get told otherwise).
Glad you enjoyed the video! Happy to talk more religion or whatever interests you. I’m going to have to look into moralism and kenoticism for certain (first time actually hearing about those)! Most importantly, thank you for watching/commenting 🤗
dude, you're like the Futurasound of Zelda. (He's a MGS lore youtuber / philosopher)
I’ll have to check that dude out, but I appreciate the compliment! I love that series.
"Kami sama" is not one god. It's just "god" with honorific. It's just a "polite" way to refer to any divine beings. The Japanese religion is not monotheism, so you have to see things without the Abrahamic religion lens.
We wrote and recorded separately for this video which is why I included that edit with Toon Link after 😉
@@wizcatcheslightning kami its a status of spirit dont mean god but more like sacred spirit or a spirt is worthy of honor and respect, even a normal human can become a kami if they give honor and respect,
Subbed! Definitely like the attention to the original japanese version. Been looking for comparisons and there aren't many on TH-cam.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I’d recommend checking out QuestWithAaron while you have time (while I’m trying to make other interesting content 😅)
I am a simple man. You quote Tim Rogers, I subscribe.
“I was born stupid” -also Tim. Dude’s a legend. And thank you 😊
Damn your videos are all really great and well thought out.
I already preordered a copy of TOTK so leave me out of the giveaway.
Thanks! That means a lot to me. And thanks for being honest! Will leave you out of the contest (unless you change your mind and tell me), but you could just keep the copy sealed if you get it, and let it grow in value 😎👉👉
@@wizcatcheslightning Nah I'd rather let someone else who maybe wasn't able to get the game to enjoy it
@@soysipine6160 a true hero 🥲
Fantastic research! There’s always nuggest hiding in the original Japanese!!
That’s right 😎👉👉
Really glad you enjoyed the video!
Hylia was intended to be part of the lore before even that. There was that big N64 file leak a couple years ago which has a demo build of Ocarina of Time for the Spaceworld presentation in it. In that, the Temple of Time was then named the "Cathedral of Hylia". The design on some of the temple's stonework and on the time blocks was more obvious as well, showing a winged female form, near identical to later Hylia depictions. Likely they would have had to have explained this 4th goddess if they went with that but then realised they didn't have enough time to do so.
This is also further evidence that Hylia's particular sphere of influence is time. Yes, she is the guardian of this world and the triforce, but how better to do that than to have dominion of time? This is how she is so seamlessly able to put her plans into motion regarding becoming Zelda.
I think you're wrong about some things, though. I used to think that "Richard" was singular. One of a kind, and not a zonai, but closely connected to them. I now think (2 days before we all find out so 11th hour theorising here) that there are others like him...but that he isn't a typical zonai. I think there is a process, maybe a process of enlightenment or exposure to divine forces that turn mortals, such as the zonai into kami. Richard is halfway between zonai and kami/dragon. But I do not think that typical zonai are inherently dragons. I think that "mystery tanned woman" is on that path too. She's a little more than other zonai, but not as far along as Richard, and definitely not as far along as Dinraal, Naydra, And Farosh. Yes, I think the 3 known dragons were mortal once.
It could be possible that this process is tied to the tears. I say this only because we know already that both mystery woman and Richard use one. The flaw in this theory is that the three dragons do not have one. But that dodesn't mean that they didn't at one point. I refer back to Eastern dragon mythology in how dragons were nearly always said to guard a sacred stone of some sort.
I should disclose that I've seen the art book leaks, although I've vehemently avoided the full game leak. That said, nothing in the artbook has really contributed to my theory, beyond having reason to think that zonai don't typically look like Richard.
Great thoughts here! I would genuinely love to chat more if you want. Before ever reading this, I’ve been contemplating making a revelatory video of sorts regarding the last questions I asked in this video. I think I’m going to do it but not say it in full. Let people decide for themselves
@@wizcatcheslightning Yeah, totally, I'd love to talk Zelda theories actually. As for your video, I look forward to it.
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Just adding my like and comment to the algorithm, great video!
Thanks! I’ll enter you in to win a free copy of totk if you want that too 🤗
@Wiz Catches Lightning I already got a copy no need, thank you anyways though!
You know if you include the radicals I think they are call that make up the symbols for washing machine it's about 11 characters give or take, I've seen Japan people read kanji they don't know like a word they don't know and guess the meaning from the smaller symbols that make up that kanji like letters in a word.
The is a tiny frog from Puerto Rico called Coquí. I didn't know Kokiri meant forest child.
That means that the coquí is part of the Zelda universe and the great Deku tree lives somewhere in the island😂.
Talking about the Deku tree. Puerto Rico has a tree called Ceiba. They are trees that can live for hundreds of years and they are huge. Again, the Kokiri forest is somewhere in Puerto Rico. (The Ceiba tree grows in many parts of the world. It was considered sacred by the Maya).
For some reason, that reminds me of the big tree from Uncharted 2, located in Shangri La 😅
Great video you've got here. You make really great videos and I actually have notifications on for you. One thing I love to see becoming more popular that I see in all your videos is double checking with the original Japanese script. This has some interesting information I've never thought of. Like one thing is I never really thought about how they changed Zeldas eye color in Breath of the Wild. For a while I've been kinda tired of seeing theories trying to connect the Shiekah to the Twili and Zonai because it feels like a stretch a lot of the time. This video however presents interesting points no one ever talks about. I particularly like the Wind Waker section of the video. I never really thought about where the Wind Waker came from and it's interesting to see you bring it back to Hyila. Wind Waker has some really interesting lore implications that I think get overlooked a lot. Some of the points you've made regarding Tears of the Kingdom are really good and I hope within the next few days, we can see them be true. Also, think of this. What if the Shiekah were originally dragons descended from the God Tribe? Impa in Skyward Sword could be related to the God Tribe which could explain her longer life span.
That could very well be plausible! Also, great to see you again, and glad you found the info helpful and expansive to topics you’re curious about. That was definitely the goal!
No...they turned into dragons by eating mystical stones....did you played the latest game? xD
this is insane how are you so small
Thanks! Welcome to the algorithm 😂
31:23 *descendants, not ancestors
Malapropism strikes again! Thanks for pointing that out
Oh wow what a great vid! I'm so excited for TotK and these videos are just killin' me! I can't afford to grab it on release day so I'm crossing my fingers. Thank you for having this giveaway!!
Well definitely go comment on Mox’s vid and mention my name and I’ll enter you in twice! Fingers crossed for you as well 🤞
The Twili disappeared and the Zonai disappeared. Midna’s fused shadow mask has the eyes of Majora’s mask, and Rauru’s amulet is Majora’s mask.
The zonai have the power of life and puppeting. Majora’s mask puppets Skull Kid.
The Twili are Zonai, and Majora was a Zonai
Ah but the Twili were banished. The Zonai did disappear however. Rauru’s amulet has 3 eyes while Majora’s Mask has 2. Regardless, this is all interesting to think about so I appreciate you sharing!
Majoras mask is a more warped and evil variation of Rauru's necklace. So you could make the argument that it was made to make fun of the gods or defy their existence much like the yiga clan with their upside down tear of the shiekah.
@@ianlawvoiceover1056 I REALLY like what you said here, Ian! Those are some good thought provoking words
@Wiz Catches Lightning Glad you liked it :) When I saw the necklace for the first time it's what I automatically considered since Majoras mask was my favorite game in the series
@@ianlawvoiceover1056 it’s a great idea and when you consider the ancient sages and their masks, it holds water
I finished it lol 😂
Well done 😎
Also thank you! Hope you enjoyed it 😊
This was good and I watched a few of your other vids on my wife's account that were good. I'll watch them again on mine.
Much appreciated Jarrod! I’m currently without a job and wouldn’t mind turning TH-cam into a career so that really means a lot 🥲
I bet not even the creators knew Hylia was eluded to back then, even when they were making skyward sword haha.
Keep up the great work man!
Thanks Nathan! Appreciate you 😎
His name is ruru
Oh, we were fully aware of that when making this video 😂
Lefty clan 😁
Welcome aboard 🤗
Nothing like this has been covered that I've seen! Good job guys!! Fun watch!
Thanks Allie 🤗
Nahh he pulled the mox for this video. Instant banger
🤣 we had a great time talking this one out. Hope she’s having an excellent honeymoon
YAH reference? Kidding lol
Can't wait for someone to find some niche evidence of the Zonai in twilight princess or link between worlds smth lmao
Stay tuned for something 😏
I’ve had to stay tight lipped out of respect for a special someone
This is getting me to want to play all the games in timeline order
Mission accomplished 😎
New Subscriber, Awesome video! Keep it up
Thanks for watching/subbing! Happy to have you here 🤗
Wiz!!!!!!! love ya brother, keep up the great work, youre gonna do some great things!
Love ya too Brad! Thanks again for providing for this community!
@@wizcatcheslightning all good brother!! I wanna help you grow this channel to 100k and more!!
@@corporalstiffy lessdoit 😎
It’s so unfortunate to see elements of this theory (and of the video before it) disproven by TOTK now that it’s out. Because it was very well thought out and articulated. Sadly, “Richard” is indeed a Zonai and not at all a dragon.
If you’re going to discredit the fact that the Zonai historically partook in the ritual of draconification and let that further discredit everything else we got right in this video, well then I don’t know what to tell you. No one’s ever going to be 100% on theories. What’s certain is that y’all need a follow up video on all of this 😅
@@wizcatcheslightning i have a curious hiptohesis with draconification XD, maybe zonai like ruaru and the other dragons are true eternal dragons when zelda and ganondorf are like not a true eternal, like when goku and vegeta use fussion with the errings and when a god use, goku and vegeta is imperfect when god is forever, zelda and ganondorf both have like a weak spot, for zelda the master sword its like she suffer when we try to extract it, and ganondorf the big gem(true probably most gameplay than other thing XD) when the other dragons have no weakspoot almost no visible
Great content!! Keep doing your best ❤
Thanks Jorge!
no the zonai arrived after far long the events of OoT and TTP
You may want to replay TOTK
First time seeing you in my feed. Make this video good I’ll subscribe
You call her Far-roar-ay like me and not Far-roar. You get your sub. Thank you for being you, great video can’t wait to watch and comment more
Right on! Thanks for the initial comment before watching. It’s always fun to see the before and after 😆
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Was this video age restricted then unage restricted? Because i dont remember seeing it on your channel 2 weeks ago
3 weeks
Been here the whole time 😎
Very nice!
Thanks!
Such a good video:)) I love hearing from differing Zelda theorists who take different approaches
Thanks Fernboo!
Yessss!!!❤
Thanks for all that you do, Banune!
@@wizcatcheslightning I'm glad I was able to help :)
Great vid, deserves a sub
Thanks Dax!
nice work yall
Thanks LP 😎
What if mount Hylia is just the statue of Hylia from Skyward sword purposely buried by the Sheika, just a thought that popped in my head as I was driving. Lol
I love that idea! We will know soon enough 👀
@@wizcatcheslightning if you look at the comparisons of sky loft to the great plateau, they like up the statue of hylia with the temple of time, and the river of the dead with the existing water on skyloft. But if you flip the skyloft map 180 and line the statue with mount hylia; the river of the dead is that empty space in front of the statue of Hylia and the lowest part of skyloft when it was in the air (the water) is now dried and the forest of spirits. It lines up pretty well and I like it, lol
@@VitaminSwann0 if you can throw that together into an image and send it to me when you get a chance, I would love to see that
@@wizcatcheslightning yea, I can throw that together for you when I get a chance or after work, gotta have a place to send it though, I didn’t see an email on your page. Or there’s that discord in the making, could be called “the Lightning Rod” because that’s where the lightning gathers, or something like that 😂
@@VitaminSwann0 I really like that idea! Whats the Zonai place called on the map of BOTW??
Keep it up!
Will do!
this is awesome!! I really enjoy hearing your and Moxxi's take on this hehe it's quite enjoyable, keep up the great work good sir and madame! ^_^
Thanks Dudley! Good to hear from you and hope you’re doing well! Say hi to Khaos for me!!
@@wizcatcheslightning thanks buddy!! I will just as soon as he gets back inside lol he's bee n out much longer than usual and i'm worried but hopefully he's ok
@@dudleythedragonninjagaming5941 our kids always find a way to make us worry! I’ll keep him in my thoughts. Lux was the same way, so I’m sure he’s doing alright 🤗
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Really enjoy your videos. You have a good vibe. I have a copy preordered, so no need to put me into the giveaway.
I really appreciate the comment! And thank you for being a hero and foregoing the giveaway 🥲
@Wiz Catches Lightning you're welcome, keep it up.
Lore question: in the Japanese culture, is there a specific way in which people shape-shift to dragons or vice versa? Do they have to die? Drink a potion? Can they just...do it?
@@Matthew10950 I reckon I would need to better understand Japanese to better glean that info. But with the lore of the Dragon’s Pearl specifically, the relic the Triforce symbolizes, a boy accidentally swallows the pearl and turns into a dragon as a result.
@@wizcatcheslightning Ha, that tracks!
Just found out Amazon says my copy won't be delivered until the 16. I. Am. Frustrated.
LFGGGG leftie tribe
YES Jordan! I knew there was something special about you! Outside of you just being incredible of course, 😊
@@wizcatcheslightning finally finished the video and i'm yelling at my TV because I know exactly what you're alluding to in that last bit and have been DYING to see someone talk about it
@@evils.presley I blame GS for this 🤣
@@wizcatcheslightning the way you were talking about Forore and wind, in context of the pecking order concept, I’m curious to hear your take on the Wind tribe and Minish/Picori
@@evils.presley I’m not sure when, but keep an eye out for the collaboration Moxie and I will eventually do!
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Yo, Did you see the imprisoning war shit?!?
🤫 vitamin, I appreciate the enthusiasm, but please edit this post and tag it with “spoiler” and spaces so I don’t have to delete it 🤣
@@wizcatcheslightning it’s an official interview from a few hours ago, no spoiler
I don’t do leaks or spoilers homie, lol. But I changed the comment if it is, but I didn’t think as much
Interesting! This did not ease my excitement for totk haha.
I’ve also preordered, so leave me out of the giveaway ☺️🫶
Hey well thanks for watching and thanks for being selfless like that. Super cool to see the community acting that way 🤗