"There's three people left: You, me, and a little old lady. Now, one of us is a killer. My money's on the old lady." Still the funniest line in the whole game.
Or the Neville one in the end "You're a coward using stealth. What are you Dark Brotherhood? No matter. Prepare to meet your doom" and then you 1 hit delete him even when hes in his armor.
I can never get Wilburgur's run out of my head. His Khajiit sneaking around in edgy necromancer robes with a giant scythe, the other guests be like "I know you're no murderer"
I love how you roleplay raising their disposition, rather than describe which line goes where. And generally, love how you actually roleplay your character in these videos!
So how did you do it? Did you play through it multiple times? Did you console command the disposition up? Nothing wrong with either for this kind of video. The same questions for the Dark Brotherhood quests btw.
Linda Kenyon is her name, I believe, and I agree! I wish she would have been able to land more roles. I honestly don't know of anything else she's been in.
It's hard to argue that there is anyone better than Wes Johnson (Sheogorath, Lucien Lechance, Hermaeus Mora, the Grey Fox, the arena announcer, the guards and the default imperial voice, and also Primo in this quest), but the voice acting in general is good, Bethesda just needs more people for a wider verity of voices. And yes, the voice acting is good, it just feels a bit off sometimes because the scripting for NPC dialogue gives weird results.
@@HappyBeezerStudios The voice acting in Oblivion is pretty damn solid truly. The game is outdated in terms of NPCs being able to express dramatic dialog or noises. Things like a VA improvving a cackling laugh but the NPC just sits there blankly with their mouth open because they didn't program an animation for it. Doesn't help that they have potatoheads but I've learned to love the diversity of the faces... much better than most games in that respect. Thats the only place that the game falls flat. Not exactly fixable like a leveling mod.
I have a save file specifically to replay this quest! It's practically its own game. My latest playthrough I went in with no weapons or armor (only finery). I then lockpicked the stashed weapon /armor in the chest and began the hunt
I mean, you're an assassin killing people in the name of what's basically the Devil of the setting, literally sending the souls of your victims to said devil. Whether you're kind or mean to your victims before killing them is kind of irrelevant at that point, if you ask me
@@UR_FUTURE_BOYFRIENDWe're murdering people to praise the embodiment of darkness and a dunmer woman who slaughtered her children in order to send their souls to their father Sithis. We may not be mindless killers but we're still brutal murderers.
@@DarkLOREDash it just makes me love the game even more. I’m currently playing as a High Elf mage and played through the Dark Brotherhood. I found out using spells gets you detected even if they’re alone in a room.
I have been informed there's a slight glitch on a conversation around 1:48:00 (thank you for catching it) Apologies! Will have the mistake corrected for the upcoming final Full Dark Brotherhood Lore Movie 💀 Also, I didn't add this part of the script for time sake but about the contracts originator: Speaking of fafnir, did you know? Curiously, the name fafnir is presumably derived from Germanic mythology & although the story changes, the core themes being obsession with gold which becomes the persons downfall. Although this is a tale of greed & fafnir is confirmed a Dark Brotherhood member, as he is the only surviving character from the quest, it could be surmised he had tentative links to each guest which inevitably got them murdered, hence his dismay at not killing off the guests himself. However this is but speculation, what is confirmed is that The whole quest "Whodunit" is an easter egg. And thanks to a commenter True Walter on The Cantinas video who concisely surmises. It shares similarities to Agatha Christies "And then there were none", where 6 guest were invited to a house by a mysterious person. The guest were described as an old maid (Mathilda), an old military gentleman (Neville), a nice looking young lady (Dovesi), a bluff cheery gent (Nels) and a man born to money (Primo). On the dinner table upstairs there are six sweet rolls, though they get eaten. In the book there are six figures, symbolizing the 6 guests. If one dies the figure is removed from the table…
@@FreeCongo98 "a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active" Again, by definition of not being a man, I cannot be an incel
@@FreeCongo98 that isn't what an incel is Yeah you could easily say he's sexualizing the NPC's, but him talking during a youtube commentary is just how the format works
I know this was no easy task to do all these options and read them as well, however this is awesome! You are a treasure to the oblivion fans. Thank you.
Look up the book "and then there were none" its the book that spawned the game clue, and is almost exactly what happened in this quest. This quest is actually a love letter to the book.
I think it's crazy how you managed to pull out every detail and dialogue option in this amazing quest. Also this makes me think about the complexity and effort the developers put in quests like this one. Oblivion is truly a timeless piece of art.
It's nice how they tell how they truly feel only if their disposition is either very low (and they don't care about what you'd think of them) or very high (and they trust you), otherwise trying to, one might say, save their good image. A good touch indeed.
They all have their edges, but none of them seem particularly evil. They all have their reason to look for the treasure, they all have their likes and dislikes among the group. Absolutely normal. And especially with high disposition they all seem trustworthy enough.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Okay, I've never played as an assassin and I don't specially want to, but I have to ask: Is it possible to get to the mansion, decide you actually want all of the characters to live and arrange a happy ending? Or does entering the mansion mean the guest have no chance to leave alive?
@@lukemorgan6166 other people have gotten notice without paying, dipshit A creator thanking the people who show their thanks by giving real actual money is not some joke for you to laugh at
This quest is such a gem, a must play in every play through. The team that made the quest line were really talented and did an awesome job, but they really hit it out the park with this one!
Had to break it into two watches, but enjoyed every single second of this, Dash. I know it was a ton of hard work, so major props. My favorite line has a decidedly Aussie dint and is around 1:14:40 , if anyone is interested!
100/10 you did an amazing job there were things that even I didn’t know and I’ve played this game since I was 11. Your videos are truly masterpieces and they’re only getting better. Keep it up my brother!
I've long held the theory that Fafnir, rather than being a member of the Dark Brotherhood, is actually the client since you only ever encounter him on this one quest in the entirety of Oblivion. Although I'm at a lost as to why he would go through the expense and trouble of hiring the Brotherhood, renting or buying Summitmist Manor, and disguising himself as a Brother.
Yes! I put that in the script but thought people would not enjoy talking about the killer after such a long video. The name Fafnir goes back to Germanic mythos about a being obsessed with Gold. I love that he probably was wronged by each member in some fashion or another & wanted to see them, one last time.
As much as I like this idea I think the fact that no one recognized Fafnir as they came into the house probably shows he’s probably not the client. Like at least one of them would be like “oh yeah that guy whom I wronged. Yeah let me into the house.”
Naa I don't think so, he specifically says that "We have the same Mother you and I" specifically referring to the Night Mother, an Outsider who doesn't know the inner workings of the Dark Brotherhood wouldn't talk like that.
Its possibke assiming fafnir is client which may or may not be possible its possible he was a brother anyways he wouldnt have to be disguised by telling you that
@@WeatherRein the ritual to summon the Dark brotherhood outright mentions a dark mother, and in fact the Night Mother concept is well known thanks to the Dark Horse Courier. The ritual also says "send your child unto me"
I really do wish they would have gotten different actors for these characters. It’s hard to picture Primo and Dovesi as teenagers/young adults with voices that developed.
I didn't realize Dovesi was a teen until half way through the quest. (Especially as a Dunmer) so im all "you sweeton Dovesi, you dog Nels" then they say Dovesi was 15 & I'm like 😵
@@DarkLOREDash explains how Nels sees his daughter’s face in her. It doesn’t make as much sense when you think she’s an adult. The way he is talking it sounds like she was a young girl.
@@DarkLOREDash Considering mer live much longer than men (some sources claim 200-300 for bosmer and dunmer and 300-500 for altmer), being a teen would make her almost a baby elf. The human races are supposed to be 70-80, which would put them in line with typical life expectancy for IRL humans. Assuming they all age relative to their respective life expectency (think like dog years), a dunmer in their 50s would be somewhere around 15 relative to a human.
@HappyBeezerStudios I wonder if elder scrolls lore has ever discussed thar aspect, I know in dnd an elf isn't considered an adult till 100 years old. I have a feeling at least for oblivion they made the elves ages the same as humans which doesn't make much sense
@@Dionysus999 yeah, I don't recall any actual primary source lore about aging. Now I wonder, how many people from the Arena-Oblivion time are still alive during Skyrim...
Ah man I miss this game SO much! I love the dark brotherhood quest line, it's always my favorite! I remember one time I gathered many poisoned apples just before starting this quest and I ate all the food from the cupboards and table and then I placed all the poisoned apples on the table and waited for about an hour before all the other guests sat down and ate...they all died at the same time while I stood there and watched. The sounds they made totally caught me off guard! 😆
Damn I was already looking forward to this knowing it was the next mission in this series but 2 and a half hours of this incredibly fun quest is more than I could have asked for
You're a mad lad. Thank you for taking the pain-staking time to do this haha. But I agree with everyone here, this was my absolute favorite quest. I wish we had more quests like this in other games (Bethesda, and other RPG's), where if you play it out perfectly, your relationship with /everyone/ is so high you earn EVERYONE'S trust to make you not suspected at all, convince there's a hidden 7th actor in this scenario hehe. One thing I'd obviously change with this quest is... the other NPC's reacting to eachother and eventually fighting. Like, I'd expect Neville & Nels killing eachother, Matilde & Dovesi killing eachother. Primo, since he is clearly a snobby Noble, I'd make him actually cower.
Thanks mate & yes. There are a few reactions that seemed out of place. I was so freaking shocked when they said Dovesi was 15 because.. well, every NPC sounds 40 in Oblivion.
The characterization you get from all of these assassination targets is so interesting, it kind of makes me sad that we as the PC end up killing them all. It's so interesting how insightful Nels and Primo are, and how all of them together might have been able to discover the assassin's plot if they weren't so divided amongst each other
@@nbHawkeye Or the quest giver is a rich bastard (can afford to rent out a giant manor) who's just so petty that they decided to have all of them killed in the most complicated and dramatic way possible haha. It just makes you wonder who this person was that they encountered such a variety of people long enough to feel "wronged" by them, from a random drunken Nord to the son of one of the most wealthy families in the Empire.
@@destinygalearies7382 I always imagined the mysterious person was a imperial legion soldier. Neville was his superior offcer and treated him like crap. Dovesi was a girl he had feelings for but she ended up telling him that he is way too poor to even think about starting a serious relationship with him. Primo Antonius was either someone he knew growing up who also treated him awfully or somebody he had to protect that told him all the time how a commoner would never be able to enjoy life to the fullest unlike him. Mathilde was a friend of his family. On the outside she was this loving and caring woman while she actually was a gold digger that ended up causing his family to become bankrupt, that's why he had to join the legion in the first place. He also hated her for the same reason he hated Primo. One time he was stationed in Skyrim where a heavyily built drunk almost killed him, that was Nels. This made him pray to the nightmother and with some gold he had saved up he rented that mansion in Skingrad where the people that made his life a living hell would die in a state of total panic. Either that or the owner of the house is a psychopath that just happens to invite random strangers to his house so that the Dark Brotherhood could kill them but considering all of the contracts up to you becoming Lucien's Silencer had a backstory behind them I'd suggest something like what I thik happened makes a bit more sense.
@@nbHawkeyeso a bit like the inverse murder on the orient express. Instead of a group of people that all have been wronged by the victim we get a group of people that all have wronged the same person.
When I played this years ago, I was a nord with a high infamy and Neville attacked me out right. I killed him in front of everyone and the other guests just acted normal with their regular dialogue panicked that someone had been killed and don't know who it is
Thank you for this. I'll be running Oblivion as a D&D campaign starting this year. And having comprehensive videos of all character dialogue in this quest is the ultimate study tool. You made your vocal interactions with the NPCs perfect throughout this :)
When I first played this quest so many years ago I don’t know why, but I took the line from Fafnir literally when he said we had the same mother. It didn’t click with me that he meant the Night Mother. So I was confused about how we got separated and if it would lead to us figuring out more about how we ended up in prison and where we came from. A silly thought on my part.
Appreciate the effort and time that goes into these videos. I was getting worried when I didn’t see a video of yours for a minute. Completely understand why now. Excellent work and genuinely entertained by your videos. Find myself rewatching them a few times. Favorite one so far is, Knights of Thorne but this one is definitely a close runner up. Keep up the fantastic work. Thank you for your passion and hard work.
This is the one quest that I always keep a save for in every copy of oblivion I’ve ever played and honestly is probably the only quest that keeps making me want to come back to this game even years later
I love how you add your own dialogue and tie both options together as though it was one conversation. It's a very nice and immersive touch to your lore videos!
Oh man, I've been waiting for th-Holy shit, two hours?! I knew this one had a lot of possibilities and dialogue, but damn! This will have totally been worth the wait.
I only have watching this video, have realised the irony of the doorman being called Fafnir, given how in Norse mythology he’s a greedy man who’s only interest is in gold which ultimately gets him cursed
You can get Mathilde up to 100 disposition by greeting her with the I’m an assassin line when you arrive. I also like how almost everyone infantilizes Dovesi when she’s likely the oldest one there.
This quest is obviously the single best quest in TES history. What I love the most about it is, its a genius storytelling not only for the whodunnit murder paranoia, but also the racial tensions between different races.
Boy I loved this mission during my first oblivion playthrough. This and the entirety of the shivering isles plus the old school dungeon crawling aesthetic made me fall in love, I probably have just as many hours in this as I do Fallout 3
So I'm relatively new to your channel and I love the narrative you add into your videos! TES has been one of my favorite series and between you, spiffingbrit, and camelworks the amount of content I doom scroll through is so much fun!
Waouh!! I am genuinely thrilled by the way you narrate all of those quests, and simulate the player choices. Especially for a Fan Favorite Quest like this one :D Huge respect and congrats to you, for giving even more life and fun to our favorite game !!! Aboslutely looking forward to watch all the rest of the guild questlines naratted by you ❤🔥🔥
One of my favorite missions when I first played this game, seeing the entire quest play out like this from everyone’s viewpoints is so enjoyable!! Thanks for the video!
It's 8AM for me, and I didn't sleep last night (insomnia is a bitch) but watching Primo throw an excellent overhand right and just crumpling Matilde has got me cry laughing. I do not know why, it was just really fuckin funny in this headspace
Kudos to you for how thorough you were making this video. This quest is very very complex. I can't even imagine how long it must have taken, but I sure appreciate the end result.
I started watching your content and decided to replay oblivion. I made a save as soon as I walked into the house and replayed this quest so many times until I heard all the dialogue from killing people in different orders.
I don't know if you already told people this but there is unique dialogue from ocheeva's brother if you play as an argonian born under the sign of the shadow
I do remember this quest fondly. I wore the Gold and Black robes you got from a previous DB Bonus reward. So after telling Matilde I was an assassin, without even introducing to the others she offered a team-up and we went into the basement and I eliminated her. From there, I talked to all the characters here and there, but literally just picked them off when no one was looking and they continually got more freaked out, yet not once was I suspected XD. Not even when I killed the 2nd to last myself.
The one thing I notice is that at no point do the guests come to the conclusion that they have killed the killer. Especially obvious when only two of them are left. "I know I'm no killer, and I think I can trust you, that only leaves [other surviving NPC]" and we can convince them to a preemptive strike.
If Dovesi is a child at 15, but in Morrowind a Telvanni Dunmer was considered a child at only 100 or so years, then either something is weird about Elven aging, or I'm overthinking a minor quip from... was it Neloth? Or a different Telvanni? It's been too long.
It's because Telvanni tend to live for hundreds to thousands of years, so they tend to think of ages differently to other dark elves, with even other House Dunmer thinking Telvanni are strange and near immortal
I have been waiting for your next video for the past few weeks and boy you did not disappoint! ❤ by the way did anyone else notice that there isn’t a single bathroom or outhouse in oblivion. After playing this for over 15 years, this is the first time I’ve realised it 😂
Thousands of years ago, when humans first started creating what we call "plays," somebody made a decision: Should we show our characters using the toilet? Luckily we know how that turned out. Except that one movie with Melanie Griffith and...I wanna say...Griffin Dunne? lol
I know an old upload, but I'm impressed how well done it was. Nice edits and a coherent explanation of the quest and how the dialogues branch off. Nicely done!
You know, in light of all the dialogue coming out, I have my speculation on who put the hit out on all of them. Obviously, it had to be someone of vast wealth, or they couldn’t arrange it in the manner they did, on top of all the Black Sacraments. What sticks out to me is Primo. His wealth comes from his dad, but there are missing points that would normally raise red flags, such as no soldiers to escort him to the party. Part of me thinks someone connected to Primo put the hit out on them. Money and privledge to stew in revenge.
I JUST played this for the first time today, i got it perfectly without anyone suspecting me, it was so fun. First try. Im kinda sad to get to the purification quest, i hope there are different routes i can take
Have you ever considered doing a video of any Easter eggs/ hidden areas or special items etc that can be found inside the actual many oblivion gates found around cyrodil? I haven’t seen hardly any videos that involve actually going into the oblivion gates, which is weird because it’s a huge part of the main quest line.
There's only 2 that are unique. The rest are based on 3 or 4 templates. The only differences are the specific loot and levels of enemies. I guess the sigil stone changes, but you can pretty much choose which one you get. It would be 5 videos tops, but it can all be in a single video.
and as usual this did not dissapoint, 2+ hours of pure entertainment!!🤩 as soon as i saw that this was the next in the series i was SO hyped and clearly for good reason so well done👏😊
This is by far my most favorite quest in the best quest line in all of the Elder Scrolls. I replayed this mission for weeks making a separate save to go back to just to have fun.
I've actually had the weather in Skingrad be different each playthrough, it only changes to a thunderstorm after speaking with the Nord dude in front of the mansion. That being said, I can't imagine the work that went into this video, amazing!!! Instant like and kudos 👏
You being the killer can still be a mystery, even to the last one alive, if you have successfully manipulated them. So considering that, I'd have to disagree with you.
thanks man, preciate this work and effort, the last time i played this quest i just ended up solo/sneak killing em all in less than 5 minutes xD but when i was a teen i spend tons of time enjoying the stories of all the characters xD
"There's three people left: You, me, and a little old lady. Now, one of us is a killer.
My money's on the old lady."
Still the funniest line in the whole game.
It's sounds like some Monty Python's flying circus sketch
1:55:52
Or the Neville one in the end "You're a coward using stealth. What are you Dark Brotherhood? No matter. Prepare to meet your doom" and then you 1 hit delete him even when hes in his armor.
@@greasy8394 from Redguard to Deadguard in an instant
And then you convince him to kill the old lady.
That should solve it. Now the killer is dead.
But no, they get suspicious of you!
I can never get Wilburgur's run out of my head.
His Khajiit sneaking around in edgy necromancer robes with a giant scythe, the other guests be like "I know you're no murderer"
Wilburgur's philosophy being the lack of subtlety as his punchline will never get old.
@@MidoriGrey don't worry, he's still a good guy.
That guy's unbearable
47:30 Dovesi: You are such a good *listener* :D
Me: SHE'S ON TO US!
Most underappreciated comment.
After 17 years it's still unbeaten as the best quest in a Bethesda game.
The Markarth conspiracy is my second favourite after this
In general there are a tonne of quite amazing quests in the tes games
More of a fallout guy... And plenty of loved quests (and questlines) that still dont hit like this mission (and questline really)
Oblivion is that old? Shit I'm old I remember playing it as a kid
@@Dovah_Slayer i remember playing it and thinking it was so next gen. I feel old now.
“Your kind has never contributed to the empire” Tiber Septim sitting back like bruh I made your empire
I love how you roleplay raising their disposition, rather than describe which line goes where. And generally, love how you actually roleplay your character in these videos!
Thank you very much!
@@FreeCongo98 OK simp
Same. Gives me idea for my own rp play throughs
So how did you do it?
Did you play through it multiple times? Did you console command the disposition up? Nothing wrong with either for this kind of video.
The same questions for the Dark Brotherhood quests btw.
I love Ocheeva's little "I'm not mad I'm disappointed, now go to your room and think about what you've done" moment
Mommy Ocheeva, indeed
By the Nine Divines, 2.5 hours of my favourite Dark Brotherhood quest? Thank you for providing such amazing content.
My pleasure, also.... THERE'S A PSYCHOPATH ON THE LOOSE!
@@DarkLOREDash
And of just a single quest too
You mean by the 8?
@ZOMBIESK8TBOARD I worship all God's from all pantheons. There's alot of pantheons. And there's alot of God's
Way more than 8 let alone 9
the female elf voice actress was one of the best in this game
Linda Kenyon is her name, I believe, and I agree! I wish she would have been able to land more roles. I honestly don't know of anything else she's been in.
I like this part with her: 0:08
It's hard to argue that there is anyone better than Wes Johnson (Sheogorath, Lucien Lechance, Hermaeus Mora, the Grey Fox, the arena announcer, the guards and the default imperial voice, and also Primo in this quest), but the voice acting in general is good, Bethesda just needs more people for a wider verity of voices.
And yes, the voice acting is good, it just feels a bit off sometimes because the scripting for NPC dialogue gives weird results.
@@HappyBeezerStudios The voice acting in Oblivion is pretty damn solid truly. The game is outdated in terms of NPCs being able to express dramatic dialog or noises. Things like a VA improvving a cackling laugh but the NPC just sits there blankly with their mouth open because they didn't program an animation for it. Doesn't help that they have potatoheads but I've learned to love the diversity of the faces... much better than most games in that respect.
Thats the only place that the game falls flat. Not exactly fixable like a leveling mod.
I have a save file specifically to replay this quest! It's practically its own game.
My latest playthrough I went in with no weapons or armor (only finery). I then lockpicked the stashed weapon /armor in the chest and began the hunt
I think I do this for every play through
omG yes. I loved saving just before and going back and replaying it in different ways (frenzing up someone, poisoning, stabbing, etc. )
Lmao same
There is a reason the Hitman games are successful.
The irony of Matilde saying it would be smart to stay with the rest of the group, while she’s alone in the basement.
So much scrumptious irony. I did love slaying her. I feel dirty writing it, but we all did 😂
@@FreeCongo98 that's not very nice, Charlie.
2h and 25 min. full of pure oblivion content! I'm gonna enjoy every minute of it!
I don't know you, and I don't care to know you.
@@whtwolfgames7983 don't talk such rot
@@TheTuttle99 I heard that the Dark Brotherhood visits you if you kill someone!
@@whtwolfgames7983 WHAT!?
@@nicolasstark1367 Bye now
"PLEASE DON'T KILL ME *Gurgling slug sounds* "
"Good Day"
awww, telling Dovesi that Primo is too good for her made me so sad 🥺
we may be assassins but no need to depart them from Mundus with hurt feelings 💔
yeah, it's just business, no reason to be mean before killing them :)
I mean, you're an assassin killing people in the name of what's basically the Devil of the setting, literally sending the souls of your victims to said devil. Whether you're kind or mean to your victims before killing them is kind of irrelevant at that point, if you ask me
@@exantiuse497 it's the principal of the matter! we're not mindless killers, we do it for a cause; we'll let Sithis inflict the emotional damage :)
@@UR_FUTURE_BOYFRIENDdid you say this sarcastically?
@@UR_FUTURE_BOYFRIENDWe're murdering people to praise the embodiment of darkness and a dunmer woman who slaughtered her children in order to send their souls to their father Sithis. We may not be mindless killers but we're still brutal murderers.
I’ve played this quest a number of times over the years but I never know never knew Dovesi screamed like that.
There's a lot of almost hidden lines. Amazing the depth the developers had added
@@DarkLOREDash it just makes me love the game even more. I’m currently playing as a High Elf mage and played through the Dark Brotherhood. I found out using spells gets you detected even if they’re alone in a room.
I have been informed there's a slight glitch on a conversation around 1:48:00 (thank you for catching it) Apologies! Will have the mistake corrected for the upcoming final Full Dark Brotherhood Lore Movie 💀 Also, I didn't add this part of the script for time sake but about the contracts originator: Speaking of fafnir, did you know?
Curiously, the name fafnir is presumably derived from Germanic mythology & although the story changes, the core themes being obsession with gold which becomes the persons downfall. Although this is a tale of greed & fafnir is confirmed a Dark Brotherhood member, as he is the only surviving character from the quest, it could be surmised he had tentative links to each guest which inevitably got them murdered, hence his dismay at not killing off the guests himself. However this is but speculation, what is confirmed is that The whole quest "Whodunit" is an easter egg.
And thanks to a commenter True Walter on The Cantinas video who concisely surmises.
It shares similarities to Agatha Christies "And then there were none", where 6 guest were invited to a house by a mysterious person. The guest were described as an old maid (Mathilda), an old military gentleman (Neville), a nice looking young lady (Dovesi), a bluff cheery gent (Nels) and a man born to money (Primo). On the dinner table upstairs there are six sweet rolls, though they get eaten. In the book there are six figures, symbolizing the 6 guests. If one dies the figure is removed from the table…
@@FreeCongo98 I don't think you know what an incel is...
@@FreeCongo98 yeah I'm not a man mate, by definition I'm not an incel
@@FreeCongo98 "a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active"
Again, by definition of not being a man, I cannot be an incel
@@FreeCongo98 again, you haven't explained how exactly he's an incel
@@FreeCongo98 that isn't what an incel is
Yeah you could easily say he's sexualizing the NPC's, but him talking during a youtube commentary is just how the format works
I know this was no easy task to do all these options and read them as well, however this is awesome! You are a treasure to the oblivion fans. Thank you.
Thank you, I try ☺️
Wow. A straight up murder mystery where you are the villain. Only in a video game. And it's an OG murder mystery too. Agatha Christie for the win.
For real, I was trying to think how this would work in a Hercule Poirot setting, but the medium of movie or book just can't do it justice. Games FTW!
There's a reason no Bethesda quest has ever topped this one its an amazing quest that is hard to recapture
Look up the book "and then there were none" its the book that spawned the game clue, and is almost exactly what happened in this quest. This quest is actually a love letter to the book.
Yeah, Agatha made the best murder mysteries :) I think the trope of "the main character is the villain all along" isn't used as much as it should
@@philippedion7520I don't know, I still think Jessica B Fletcher is a serial killer...
I think it's crazy how you managed to pull out every detail and dialogue option in this amazing quest. Also this makes me think about the complexity and effort the developers put in quests like this one. Oblivion is truly a timeless piece of art.
Timeless isn't *quite* the word I'd use
The shame is, they never taught the player that disposition nets different dialogue. Just 'spam disposition for better discounts'
Truly this quest was a masterpiece, the entire questline infact, so glorious, I especially enjoyed Dovesi’s ridiculous screaming
It's nice how they tell how they truly feel only if their disposition is either very low (and they don't care about what you'd think of them) or very high (and they trust you), otherwise trying to, one might say, save their good image. A good touch indeed.
Ironically, the Naughty one was always the most likable guest to me.
They all have their edges, but none of them seem particularly evil. They all have their reason to look for the treasure, they all have their likes and dislikes among the group. Absolutely normal.
And especially with high disposition they all seem trustworthy enough.
Him and Neville are my favourite a legionnaire and a Nord what not to love
@@HappyBeezerStudios Okay, I've never played as an assassin and I don't specially want to, but I have to ask: Is it possible to get to the mansion, decide you actually want all of the characters to live and arrange a happy ending? Or does entering the mansion mean the guest have no chance to leave alive?
@@Aileilthe latter. Once you're in there you're locked in until they're all dead
@@GrosvnerMcaffrey Ouch. Thank you for satisfying my curiosity though.
My favorite quest! Can't count how many times I played it but so much stuff I'm hearing for the first time.
Great content!
You're too kind, mate. Thank you 😍
@@DarkLOREDash Honest pay for honest work (you actually deserve more than that for sure!)
@@lukemorgan6166 other people have gotten notice without paying, dipshit
A creator thanking the people who show their thanks by giving real actual money is not some joke for you to laugh at
@@lukemorgan6166 rude
This quest is such a gem, a must play in every play through. The team that made the quest line were really talented and did an awesome job, but they really hit it out the park with this one!
Had to break it into two watches, but enjoyed every single second of this, Dash. I know it was a ton of hard work, so major props. My favorite line has a decidedly Aussie dint and is around 1:14:40 , if anyone is interested!
100/10 you did an amazing job there were things that even I didn’t know and I’ve played this game since I was 11. Your videos are truly masterpieces and they’re only getting better. Keep it up my brother!
Mate, you are too kind. thank you!
I've long held the theory that Fafnir, rather than being a member of the Dark Brotherhood, is actually the client since you only ever encounter him on this one quest in the entirety of Oblivion. Although I'm at a lost as to why he would go through the expense and trouble of hiring the Brotherhood, renting or buying Summitmist Manor, and disguising himself as a Brother.
Yes! I put that in the script but thought people would not enjoy talking about the killer after such a long video. The name Fafnir goes back to Germanic mythos about a being obsessed with Gold. I love that he probably was wronged by each member in some fashion or another & wanted to see them, one last time.
As much as I like this idea I think the fact that no one recognized Fafnir as they came into the house probably shows he’s probably not the client. Like at least one of them would be like “oh yeah that guy whom I wronged. Yeah let me into the house.”
Naa I don't think so, he specifically says that "We have the same Mother you and I" specifically referring to the Night Mother, an Outsider who doesn't know the inner workings of the Dark Brotherhood wouldn't talk like that.
Its possibke assiming fafnir is client which may or may not be possible its possible he was a brother anyways he wouldnt have to be disguised by telling you that
@@WeatherRein the ritual to summon the Dark brotherhood outright mentions a dark mother, and in fact the Night Mother concept is well known thanks to the Dark Horse Courier.
The ritual also says "send your child unto me"
2:18:13 was probably the funniest kill done in this roleplaying of the quest 😂
Neville: “I got the sword!”
Primo: “I have the high ground!” *push*
Classic Oblivion. "YOU'RE PATH-OUHUGHUHH!"
the way neville falls to the ground
I really do wish they would have gotten different actors for these characters. It’s hard to picture Primo and Dovesi as teenagers/young adults with voices that developed.
I didn't realize Dovesi was a teen until half way through the quest. (Especially as a Dunmer) so im all "you sweeton Dovesi, you dog Nels" then they say Dovesi was 15 & I'm like 😵
@@DarkLOREDash explains how Nels sees his daughter’s face in her. It doesn’t make as much sense when you think she’s an adult. The way he is talking it sounds like she was a young girl.
@@DarkLOREDash Considering mer live much longer than men (some sources claim 200-300 for bosmer and dunmer and 300-500 for altmer), being a teen would make her almost a baby elf. The human races are supposed to be 70-80, which would put them in line with typical life expectancy for IRL humans.
Assuming they all age relative to their respective life expectency (think like dog years), a dunmer in their 50s would be somewhere around 15 relative to a human.
@HappyBeezerStudios I wonder if elder scrolls lore has ever discussed thar aspect, I know in dnd an elf isn't considered an adult till 100 years old. I have a feeling at least for oblivion they made the elves ages the same as humans which doesn't make much sense
@@Dionysus999 yeah, I don't recall any actual primary source lore about aging.
Now I wonder, how many people from the Arena-Oblivion time are still alive during Skyrim...
This quest is definitely among the best written in TES history. Thanks for the deep dive into such a fun quest.
FINALLY!! I've been so excited for this episode AND it's 2 hours long?! Oh Dash Stop your spoiling us 😳😍
I live to serve.
You should do an “Elder Scolls” true crime pod cast. I’d listen to that at work all day .
Ah man I miss this game SO much! I love the dark brotherhood quest line, it's always my favorite! I remember one time I gathered many poisoned apples just before starting this quest and I ate all the food from the cupboards and table and then I placed all the poisoned apples on the table and waited for about an hour before all the other guests sat down and ate...they all died at the same time while I stood there and watched. The sounds they made totally caught me off guard! 😆
Damn I was already looking forward to this knowing it was the next mission in this series but 2 and a half hours of this incredibly fun quest is more than I could have asked for
You're a mad lad. Thank you for taking the pain-staking time to do this haha.
But I agree with everyone here, this was my absolute favorite quest. I wish we had more quests like this in other games (Bethesda, and other RPG's), where if you play it out perfectly, your relationship with /everyone/ is so high you earn EVERYONE'S trust to make you not suspected at all, convince there's a hidden 7th actor in this scenario hehe.
One thing I'd obviously change with this quest is... the other NPC's reacting to eachother and eventually fighting. Like, I'd expect Neville & Nels killing eachother, Matilde & Dovesi killing eachother. Primo, since he is clearly a snobby Noble, I'd make him actually cower.
Thanks mate & yes. There are a few reactions that seemed out of place. I was so freaking shocked when they said Dovesi was 15 because.. well, every NPC sounds 40 in Oblivion.
@@DarkLOREDash I noticed that, too! Now I wonder how old Primo was, then lol! I'd probably say 15 or 16 as well
@@ryanbarber6481 One could say they assume there was a ... 7th guest
The characterization you get from all of these assassination targets is so interesting, it kind of makes me sad that we as the PC end up killing them all. It's so interesting how insightful Nels and Primo are, and how all of them together might have been able to discover the assassin's plot if they weren't so divided amongst each other
Well, whatever they did to the unknown quest giver was so horrible that he or she ended up wanting all of them dead. That's something to think about.
@@nbHawkeye Or the quest giver is a rich bastard (can afford to rent out a giant manor) who's just so petty that they decided to have all of them killed in the most complicated and dramatic way possible haha. It just makes you wonder who this person was that they encountered such a variety of people long enough to feel "wronged" by them, from a random drunken Nord to the son of one of the most wealthy families in the Empire.
@@destinygalearies7382 I always imagined the mysterious person was a imperial legion soldier. Neville was his superior offcer and treated him like crap.
Dovesi was a girl he had feelings for but she ended up telling him that he is way too poor to even think about starting a serious relationship with him.
Primo Antonius was either someone he knew growing up who also treated him awfully or somebody he had to protect that told him all the time how a commoner would never be able to enjoy life to the fullest unlike him.
Mathilde was a friend of his family. On the outside she was this loving and caring woman while she actually was a gold digger that ended up causing his family to become bankrupt, that's why he had to join the legion in the first place. He also hated her for the same reason he hated Primo. One time he was stationed in Skyrim where a heavyily built drunk almost killed him, that was Nels.
This made him pray to the nightmother and with some gold he had saved up he rented that mansion in Skingrad where the people that made his life a living hell would die in a state of total panic. Either that or the owner of the house is a psychopath that just happens to invite random strangers to his house so that the Dark Brotherhood could kill them but considering all of the contracts up to you becoming Lucien's Silencer had a backstory behind them I'd suggest something like what I thik happened makes a bit more sense.
@@nbHawkeyeso a bit like the inverse murder on the orient express. Instead of a group of people that all have been wronged by the victim we get a group of people that all have wronged the same person.
@@HappyBeezerStudios That's what I tend to believe. Whatever they did to this person made him wish for their death.
This is great! The way you lead into each conversation in character is awesome. And nice dig at the Cliff Racers XD
The elf girl's screaming is the sound that sends me off to sleep at night now
When I played this years ago, I was a nord with a high infamy and Neville attacked me out right. I killed him in front of everyone and the other guests just acted normal with their regular dialogue panicked that someone had been killed and don't know who it is
ROFL
Classic Bethesda
Thank you for this. I'll be running Oblivion as a D&D campaign starting this year. And having comprehensive videos of all character dialogue in this quest is the ultimate study tool. You made your vocal interactions with the NPCs perfect throughout this :)
When I first played this quest so many years ago I don’t know why, but I took the line from Fafnir literally when he said we had the same mother. It didn’t click with me that he meant the Night Mother. So I was confused about how we got separated and if it would lead to us figuring out more about how we ended up in prison and where we came from. A silly thought on my part.
Still, kinda fun.
That would have been really interesting though!
Khajiit: what do you mean we’re not REALLY siblings?
In all honesty though I also misunderstood lots of things in the game as a kid so relatable lol
yeah, it took me a while to get his implications. Not as an actual lost sibling, but as sort of a trick
I remember jubilating while doing this quest. Funniest quest of the game. It was a good roleplaying opportunity. Loved it.
Appreciate the effort and time that goes into these videos. I was getting worried when I didn’t see a video of yours for a minute. Completely understand why now. Excellent work and genuinely entertained by your videos. Find myself rewatching them a few times. Favorite one so far is, Knights of Thorne but this one is definitely a close runner up. Keep up the fantastic work. Thank you for your passion and hard work.
Thank you so much, sztanyo1. My only hope is to keep getting better so that I can do these stories justice.
My god how many times did you go through the quest XD You got every. Single. Thing. Damn is this impressive!
A lot of saves. A lot of console manipulation. I thought it'd take me about 3 days. It took 2.5 weeks and some change 😅
I honest to God wish I could like this and share it twice because this is the most entertaining video I've seen for 2 years. THANK YOU!!!!
Thank you so very much!
This was always one my favorite Oblivion quests. I always played it a few times each play through
This is the one quest that I always keep a save for in every copy of oblivion I’ve ever played and honestly is probably the only quest that keeps making me want to come back to this game even years later
I love how you add your own dialogue and tie both options together as though it was one conversation. It's a very nice and immersive touch to your lore videos!
Oh man, I've been waiting for th-Holy shit, two hours?! I knew this one had a lot of possibilities and dialogue, but damn! This will have totally been worth the wait.
I've been anxiously awaiting this video since you announced you were tackling it. Great game. Great quest. Thanks so much for doing it!
I only have watching this video, have realised the irony of the doorman being called Fafnir, given how in Norse mythology he’s a greedy man who’s only interest is in gold which ultimately gets him cursed
Yes! I left that detail out & am kicking myself for it 😔
You can get Mathilde up to 100 disposition by greeting her with the I’m an assassin line when you arrive.
I also like how almost everyone infantilizes Dovesi when she’s likely the oldest one there.
Neville & Matilde: *Talk about how all Nords are filthy, unwashed, barbaric animals*
My Nord character: "I think I know who's dying first!"
This quest is obviously the single best quest in TES history. What I love the most about it is, its a genius storytelling not only for the whodunnit murder paranoia, but also the racial tensions between different races.
Really clear you've been working on your voice brotha, it's dadgum perfect I tell ya, dadgum perfect
I think this is the longest video I've ever watched in full on TH-cam! So worth it!
2 1/2 hours of absolutely amazing story telling and details! Always worth the wait!
Thank you so much
Boy I loved this mission during my first oblivion playthrough. This and the entirety of the shivering isles plus the old school dungeon crawling aesthetic made me fall in love, I probably have just as many hours in this as I do Fallout 3
So I'm relatively new to your channel and I love the narrative you add into your videos! TES has been one of my favorite series and between you, spiffingbrit, and camelworks the amount of content I doom scroll through is so much fun!
Thank you so much, Andrew! (I too am a fan of Camels sheer attention to detail)
Thank you for making this! I didn't know there was different dialogue if your disposition was low.
My pleasure mate😍 such a disappointment how much dialogue is missed (and that it's never explicitly stated)
Waouh!! I am genuinely thrilled by the way you narrate all of those quests, and simulate the player choices. Especially for a Fan Favorite Quest like this one :D
Huge respect and congrats to you, for giving even more life and fun to our favorite game !!!
Aboslutely looking forward to watch all the rest of the guild questlines naratted by you ❤🔥🔥
I felt so invested in every second of this video! Professional video right here!
One of my favorite missions when I first played this game, seeing the entire quest play out like this from everyone’s viewpoints is so enjoyable!! Thanks for the video!
It's 8AM for me, and I didn't sleep last night (insomnia is a bitch) but watching Primo throw an excellent overhand right and just crumpling Matilde has got me cry laughing. I do not know why, it was just really fuckin funny in this headspace
I do lappreciate the snobby elitism of a down on her luck, Breton Noble.
@@DarkLOREDash And that rich snooty Imperial just dropped her like a sack of potatoes
DarkLoreDash is one of the most TH-cam Elder Scroll theorists out there. Another very TH-cam theory, as always!
Thank you so much!
Been waiting for this quest! Proof oblivion has the best quest writing, listening to help get me through work
Kudos to you for how thorough you were making this video. This quest is very very complex. I can't even imagine how long it must have taken, but I sure appreciate the end result.
Thank you! It was actually thanks to the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages. The script ended up being about 48 pages long & I was cooked.
Oooh that quest always intrigued me. Can't wait to get some more info around the murder party. :D Great intro, also. :'D
I started watching your content and decided to replay oblivion. I made a save as soon as I walked into the house and replayed this quest so many times until I heard all the dialogue from killing people in different orders.
Thank you & yes! It requires a tonne
The fastest I've unalived everyone was around 30 seconds, for you to go through it so meticulously is a breath of fresh air
Tragic death of a perfectly fine servant of the emporer. Rip. Back our boys in brass
This must of took a long time to create, it really shows. This is a really well made video!! Keep up the good work. 👍
Thank you so much!
I don't know if you already told people this but there is unique dialogue from ocheeva's brother if you play as an argonian born under the sign of the shadow
YESS I was anxiously waiting for this one!!!
I have literally never played this quest line with low disposition, so all the characters saying they hope you die shook me to my core lmao
I do remember this quest fondly. I wore the Gold and Black robes you got from a previous DB Bonus reward.
So after telling Matilde I was an assassin, without even introducing to the others she offered a team-up and we went into the basement and I eliminated her.
From there, I talked to all the characters here and there, but literally just picked them off when no one was looking and they continually got more freaked out, yet not once was I suspected XD. Not even when I killed the 2nd to last myself.
The one thing I notice is that at no point do the guests come to the conclusion that they have killed the killer.
Especially obvious when only two of them are left. "I know I'm no killer, and I think I can trust you, that only leaves [other surviving NPC]" and we can convince them to a preemptive strike.
I loved every second of this. Thank you for all the hard work put into it!
Damn! So good! Ive seen it twice (this playthrough) and man your commentary is still too great!
If Dovesi is a child at 15, but in Morrowind a Telvanni Dunmer was considered a child at only 100 or so years, then either something is weird about Elven aging, or I'm overthinking a minor quip from... was it Neloth? Or a different Telvanni? It's been too long.
It's because Telvanni tend to live for hundreds to thousands of years, so they tend to think of ages differently to other dark elves, with even other House Dunmer thinking Telvanni are strange and near immortal
The civil war in skyrim started with that argument
I have been waiting for your next video for the past few weeks and boy you did not disappoint! ❤ by the way did anyone else notice that there isn’t a single bathroom or outhouse in oblivion. After playing this for over 15 years, this is the first time I’ve realised it 😂
Thank you & yes! No amenities or kitchens to speak of. Hard to unsee!
Thousands of years ago, when humans first started creating what we call "plays," somebody made a decision: Should we show our characters using the toilet? Luckily we know how that turned out. Except that one movie with Melanie Griffith and...I wanna say...Griffin Dunne? lol
I found it funny that toilets were included in Skyrim if you look for them! Usually a bucket next to a book in a secluded corner lmao.
I know an old upload, but I'm impressed how well done it was. Nice edits and a coherent explanation of the quest and how the dialogues branch off. Nicely done!
You know, in light of all the dialogue coming out, I have my speculation on who put the hit out on all of them.
Obviously, it had to be someone of vast wealth, or they couldn’t arrange it in the manner they did, on top of all the Black Sacraments.
What sticks out to me is Primo. His wealth comes from his dad, but there are missing points that would normally raise red flags, such as no soldiers to escort him to the party.
Part of me thinks someone connected to Primo put the hit out on them. Money and privledge to stew in revenge.
Hands down the best quest ever in any rpg and no you can't change my mind
I JUST played this for the first time today, i got it perfectly without anyone suspecting me, it was so fun. First try.
Im kinda sad to get to the purification quest, i hope there are different routes i can take
Great video Dash!
Love the editing you did here, adding the text overlay of how you are approaching the dialogue.
Thank you! If I didn't find a method to my madness, I'd have gone crazy 🤪
Have you ever considered doing a video of any Easter eggs/ hidden areas or special items etc that can be found inside the actual many oblivion gates found around cyrodil? I haven’t seen hardly any videos that involve actually going into the oblivion gates, which is weird because it’s a huge part of the main quest line.
There's only 2 that are unique. The rest are based on 3 or 4 templates. The only differences are the specific loot and levels of enemies. I guess the sigil stone changes, but you can pretty much choose which one you get. It would be 5 videos tops, but it can all be in a single video.
and as usual this did not dissapoint, 2+ hours of pure entertainment!!🤩 as soon as i saw that this was the next in the series i was SO hyped and clearly for good reason so well done👏😊
Thank you kindly!
18:02 Primo must be thinking "Ah, dinner and a show".
Holy moly! This is an absolute movie of a video! I know what I'm going to do Friday night!
DLD is forever my nighttime narrator for sleep, don’t know how many times I’ve heard the same stories haha. Love your stuff man
This is by far my most favorite quest in the best quest line in all of the Elder Scrolls. I replayed this mission for weeks making a separate save to go back to just to have fun.
Absolutely brilliant video, true gaming historian.
You are officially my favorite youtuber now
Thank you so much!
Still my favorite DB quest of all time. Loved every second of watching it, really brought me back. The nostalgia is real XD
I've actually had the weather in Skingrad be different each playthrough, it only changes to a thunderstorm after speaking with the Nord dude in front of the mansion.
That being said, I can't imagine the work that went into this video, amazing!!! Instant like and kudos 👏
This is probably my most favorite quest in Oblivion! ❤️😍🔥
The last target figuring out your identity really shouldn't count as a failure, as it's not that big of a mystery at that point anymore....
You being the killer can still be a mystery, even to the last one alive, if you have successfully manipulated them. So considering that, I'd have to disagree with you.
thanks man, preciate this work and effort, the last time i played this quest i just ended up solo/sneak killing em all in less than 5 minutes xD but when i was a teen i spend tons of time enjoying the stories of all the characters xD