The new chaos in F1's crazy 2025 driver market
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Fresh chaos in the 2025 F1 driver market, as seats we thought were locked down are seemingly coming back into play. As Red Bull considers dropping Sergio Perez and Mercedes seemingly wavers on promoting teenager Kimi Antonelli, our panel reveals the latest F1 paddock insight.
00:00 F1's most chaotic driver market
00:45 The Mercedes curveball
02:15 Sainz is running the clock down
05:05 The Perez/Lawson complication
07:14 Haas's punt on Ocon
09:30 The drivers who'll miss out
11:30 F1 caught out by market flux
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Would be hilarious if Carlos signs for Merc and they produce a championship challenging car next year and Ferrari do not.
I truly hope so
this can be the case hahah ferrari in the muds
The crystal ball shows this 😮
given Sainz's track record of career moves this is likely - he's like the anti-Alonso
As a Ferrari fan and a Merc hater, I really hope Sainz wins the championship with Merc. I want Sainz to laugh at Ferrari's clown faces off.
ppl throwing crap at carlos for waiting, the doors reopened
I laughed when people made fun of him. Why the fck would he decide now when he can wait until the last minute? Carlos is performing incredible right now. Even he perform bad the nest half of the year williams will be there.
he is one of the top drivers on the grid currently, he will not self sabotage his career by going into a bad team. Mercedes have it out for him and he will end up going to merc 100%
he just prayed and waited for perez to drive that redbull like a harvest tractor
What doors?😂😂😂😂
@@oscarmico3353are you fucking dense or something ?
Antonelli to Williams is a wise choice, while Sainz to Mercedes is a brilliant pick. It will give Merc a solid lineup.
Yeah a Russell Sainz lineup would be a great situation for Merc.
The irony is if Carlos goes to Mercedes next year and Mercedes continues to out perform Ferrari, this change will work to his advantage even though he was disadvantaged when Ferrari announced Hamilton would replace him.
Kimi going straight to Mercedes is a bit of a crazy idea when it was first talked about imo, he would be a rookie fresh in F1 and you'll have him straight in the merc seat. When previously merc put their other drivers in Williams to gain experience.
That's because Williams doesn't want to be a developteam for Mercedes anymore. Mercedes have to develop their young drivers themself from now and on
That's the kind of risks you've got to take in F1 sometimes. Just look at Hamilton, he started out as a rookie at a top team (mclaren), fought for the championship in his first season and managed to get it in his second.
Things changed with Dorilton and Vowles, they don't want to take drivers on loan anymore. I would be very surprised not to see Bottas taking that seat.
When the car seemed like an upper midfield car it didn't seem like too bad of an idea. Now they're looking good again it might be a bit too much pressure for the poor kid
Seems strange. They get drivers that whilst inexperienced are very talented. They had Russell, didn't that go well? The important thing is to get them for a few years rather than just one. @@oscarovegren
Lets call the whole thing off.. Lewis stays at Mercedes, Sainz stays at Ferrari
And postpone the new 2026 rule regs!
No!!!
$400 million reasons why that is impossible
YeeathatswhatIwouldhavedid
probably not even a bad thing for Lewis
I find it nuts that you think Ocon will be a better team mate than Kmag. If anyone is a team player its Kmag. Give him the car and he will do just as well as Ocon or even better. Bearman would be mentally broken by Ocon, because he would instantly see him as his main rival and do the Ocon.
KMag isn't a good qualifier
Exactly. Magnussen is really agressive, but towards the right people, the people competing against Haas. Ocon has repeatedly shown agressiveness towards his own teammate. It's a night and day difference. Ocon like is explained in the video, will have the higher peaks though and that is what Haas probably will need.
They said Ocon is a better driver, not a better teammate (which is obvious when you see how Ocon fared VS Alonso and KMag is doing VS Hulk). And this is F1, not summer camp. This is a highly competitive environment, if Bearman can't deal with it he has nothing to do on the grid. BTW Ocon's reputation off the grid is the complete opposite to the one during the races. Multiple people said they loved working with his as he's very professional and dedicated
Bottas is even better team mate than KMag and much much better team mate than Ocon ✌️
@@adapixei836 Is it not about how expensive repairs will be if Ocon starts crashing into his teammate like normal?
Sainz is the main player. Once he settles things will fall into place
Absolutely
i agree but if checo comes into the market it could really shake things up for Sainz. Yea checo isn’t performing but he is proven to win if the car suits him and the money he brings in isn’t something to look away from
Carlos Sainz' manager is called Carlos Sainz. Beautiful!
Ye I also just found out, Carlos sainz Jr, his manager Carlos Sainz and Carlos Sainz Sr go to a bar ))))))
HIs dad is also Carlos Sainz, which is weird. If Carlos has a son and is also given that name it will basically confirm it's the same guy manifesting in 3 different bodies. Some type of ancient deity
I thought it was Sainz's cousin
@@imgoodkinda It is. His cousin's name is also Carlos Sainz, but is usually named using his middle name of Oñoro (Carlos Oñoro Sainz) to avoid confusion.
@@Dreded100oh I didn't know ty
In all fairness - this was always going to be a spectacular silly season. Even if Hamilton stayed put.
I hope Bottas ends up at Williams. Just a very likeable guy joining a likeable team mate in a likeable team.
Bring Bottas Home
Valtteri it’s James, I like you, my guy.
No. As a Williams fan no. I want Sainz.
Lots of commentors defend Ocon, obviously he has Talent, but his win had a large part to do with Alonso.... who Ocon went on to overly aggressively / bordering dangerously defend from in later races.... when Alonso clearly had the stronger position! He doesn't play the team game... I'd keep K-mag in a heartbeat over him
Ocon is a much faster driver than Kmag and the chances of a conflict with Bearman are low since he is a rookie and won't be on Ocon's pace for a while. With one rookie in the car, Haas need a fast and consistent points scorer in midfield machinery which Ocon has proven himself to be and he'll cost a lot less in crash damages than K Mag who is currently being washed by Hulkenberg and was made to look good by a mediocre Mick Schumacher.
Umm, Ocon qualified really well against Alonso the whole season, but him in Hungary fair and square. Avoided contact at the start and earned his P1 position even if it came about due to a big accident. Alonso of course defended brilliantly and without it, Lewis probably would have passed but you never know Ocon might have done a defensive masterclass of his own. The point is, and I say this as someone who does not even like Ocon, that guy has had to scrap for every little thing he's been given in his career unlike 85% of the rest of the grid - that's why he is so overly aggressive. And people ignore the fact that Alonso and Gasly have ALSO never ever had the reputation of being good teammates...
Ocon was fine with Daniel and Hulk too, the only person he has tangled with where he was clearly the only one in the wrong was his crashes with Perez. Gasly and Alonso have been known to play as dirty as Ocon, imo.
He is washed
All his good performance and talents are from seasons long gone. Commentators don't live in the present, they over value past performance too much
@@areebsiddiqui758In that case why not go for Valtteri Bottas? He's debatably faster than even Ocon, and doesn't drive into his teammate, in fact he works harmoniously with them. Ocon is just rotten, in my opinion the closest thing we have on the grid right now to Maldonado.
@@averagesundaydriver8122 Bottas is likely to go to Williams. And if anyone's the current Maldonado it's Magnussen. Everyone hates Ocon so it's easy for them to dismiss the fact that he's a great driver whenever he's not crashing into teammates. If the choice is between two guys that like to crash (and btw Kmag does it a lot more than Ocon) then you pick the guy that's faster. Ocon was competitive against Alonso, Magnussen is getting wrecked by Nico.
Carlos going to Mercedes and winning both championships would feed generations. Excited for next season!!!
everyone knows Carlos Sainz will destroy george russle 😂
he might just do that, still think he will be a world champion in the coming years
@@SilverScarletSpiderin your dreams
A few good GPs and winning a championship are two different things mate.
give perez the boot
As much as I like him, I do have to agree. He's becoming more and more of a liability, plus it would free up space for Liam Lawson to finally get a seat in F1 like he deserves.
His recent contract stipulations are basically a guaranteed boot. The chances of him getting within 100 points of Max by Monza are hugely improbable
From Red Bull yeah, tho i'd like to see how he does in another team to see if he's washed or not.
I think he'll be booted, depends how he does in Hungary and Belgium. The question is that I have no idea who they will replace Perez with.
@@imgoodkinda If it were entirely based on performance, then Yuki should get that spot. For whatever reason though, Red Bull have forgotten Yuki exists.
If Max and Carlos had an understanding that each would do their part in supporting each other with the emphasis on the team first then RB might be unstoppable. My gut tells me that Carlos wants to be the number one driver on a competitive team but would also accept being a close second as well.
I don't think that he would accept a close second. He knows how Redbull works.
Ever since the early Vettel days, RBR always had a clear number 1 and a clear number 2.
The objective is for the N1 to win while the N2 acts as a wingman. If the N1 is not in a position to win, then the N2 needs to be there to, at least, get a podium.
Perez has done RBR a MASSIVE favour. Had RBR began this regulation set with two Vertappens, the shear amount of 1-2 finishes would've brought a significant regulation change on the chassis side a lot sooner as to try to close the gap to the other top teams.
Sainz wouldn‘t be a close second, that‘s the issue.
The guy couldn‘ even beat a 17 y/o Verstappen who basically had 0 experience in 2015, what do you think would happen now?
Max would absolutely destroy the guy week after week, just like he does to Perez.
That Sainz camp has always been extremely toxic and together with the Verstappen camp that would only lead to issues even if the talent difference between the 2 drivers couldn‘t be bigger.
How often does Marko have to state that he doesn‘t want the Sainz camp in a RB team ever again for people like you to finally understand it?
@@Reaz399
Marko should be in a retirement home at this point. His junior program has produced nothing for the past five years. What has he done to justify his place?
@@TXJ232 Its not what you know. Its not who you know. Its what you know about who you know.
@@TheRealWindlePoons
Clearly.
Why in the world would Haas sign Ocon to be Ollie Bearmans teammate?!? That sounds like quite literally the worst possible option for them.
???? Maybe because teams see drivers for their actual pace?? He's the best midfield driver on the grid so will be a brilliant benchmark for Bearman to try and beat
@@rhensn If Ollie survives the Estie Bestie's divebombs, sure
@@rhensn 🤣You all have some of the best humor
@@junkiexl86 I hope you think of me when Ocon is finishing in the points and Bearman is in 14th x
Mmm yeah. I'd sign Bottas for Haas
Everyone forgot about Drugovich so fast, he should have taken that Indycar offer...
It's not so much that he was forgotten, rather there was never that much interest in him to begin with. He is more of the Leimer, Pantano, Palmer type.
@@MaunoKoivistoOfficialwe will never know unless he races though
Won the F2 title with races to spare which is quite unusual and has been faster than Stroll in testing
@@caio5987Drugovich spent 3 seasons in f2. Barely any driver who’s spent more than 2 seasons in f2 lasts in f1Latifi, De Vries, now Zhou.
Drugovich at this stage should be a WEC driver for Aston Martin with AMR entering the Hypercar category next year. Plus WEC getting cooler these days so why not?
@@caio5987 he had terrible rivals, Piastri left and suddenly he's a challenger? seems like everyone knows how weak the grid was, just like with De Vries
Lewis caused absolute bedlam.
I love it.
2025 is a very important season due to the regulation changes of 2026.
2025 needs to be the honeymoon period for both driver and team. Any issues can be highlighted and fixed somewhat during 2025 as 2026 they'll need to literally hit the ground running as early points will matter.
I don't trust red flags.
Exactly right. Early 2022 Alfa Romeo is proof of this. They had to grab points at the earliest opportunity before their car fell off for the next 2 years
Lewis has a history of unexpected moves. Mercedes were not generally viewed as competitive when he moved there. History has shown that you can never rule out Ferrari. Whatever happens, it *will* be interesting.
@@TheRealWindlePoons LH44 had sufficient time to make a decision, I think his move is amazing for the entire sport. Everyone shakes when LH44 makes a move.
@@KamuliTours He’s a very good ambassador for the sport also. If you watch him entering the circuit on any given day, he’s welcomed with a big cheer. Same thing when the drivers go on the parade.
Neil Peart summed Sainz' situation a long time ago: if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
The late Rush drummer?
Love my RUSH. That quote is frickin awesome 👏
THIS!!!!!!!! I'm also a _BIG_ Rush fan, love that album.
lewis' input in developing the 2026 Ferrari might be something ferrari itself is counting on. he is the missing piece ferrari needed all these years
It would be absolutely great to see Carlos in Mercedes
At this point we will get to know the 2025 drivers and team at Australia fp1 2025
I've been saying since day one for Merc to offer Sainz a two-year deal and pay Williams (with cheap engines) to run Antonelli. That's been my plan all along. Glad you guys are finally seeing the light.
F1 is finally really competitive and 2025 seems to be anyone's championship to win which is great. I'm a bit disappointed that in 2026 the regulations will change again. One team will probably get everything right while the rest take years to catch up... again. What a shame. I wish they would keep the same regs for longer 😪
It would be great if they kept the same regs for 10 years
Everyone wants tight wheel to wheel racing...until they dont
Ocon going to Haas is a huge mistake. He's a terrible teammate, wont help Bearman develop, and adds potential crash costs to Gene Haas who usually disdains such things.
'ADDS potential crash costs'😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 THEY LITERALLY EMPLOY MAGNUSSEN.
Ocon in his first year at a good team finished every single race bar 2 in the points, has 1 mechanical failure and 1 12th place 😂😂😂😂
haas proberly think he and bearmann wont be close enough to be a problem...
At this point the only signing im hyped for is where newey goes. I will explode if stroll actually manages to sign him to aston.
Mercedes’ stock is up, red bull’s is down, sainz’ is up, Perez’ is down, ricciardo looked like he was on an upswing then got beat by yuki at silverstone…
Ricciardo is nowhere close to Yuki's performance this season
@@malvinelpinnoy if he'd finished ahead at Silverstone they would have been even. Not many people know that.
I rather see Perez be in an Sauber than see him struggling in Red Bull and be called washed
Exactly he is good driver but cripples under pressure from redbull to which he is unable to adapt.
He will also easily match overrated hulkenberg in race pace.
Yea plus it makes sense to retire in sauber the first team he join is his last he cant leave F1 being in this form
Ocon is not a best Kevin Magnussen, even Hulkemberg said that Magnussen was very close and many episode damaged the dane that now is a more mature driver. Getting a total rookie and a new driver with a reliable history of uncooperativeness is not a a smart move.
Correct👍 Ocon is miles better than Magnussen and will greatly improve the team, and give us a good view on where Bearman is as a driver due to him being the best driver in the midfield
@@rhensn disagree, but I recognise that he is a very good driver with a great manager
F1 Teams Gotta Drive ‘Em All: Spanish Edition:
Alonso: Minardi, Renault, McLaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Aston-Martin.
Sainz: Toro-Rosso, Renault, McLaren, Ferrari…Williams? Audi? Mercedes?
6:07 Sainz and Mercedes are the only right decision for each other. If either of them is just playing games in this decision, then they are being foolish.
I read "French chaos" at first and thought it's about Alpine
I think with Ocon now it would be reasonable to put a clause in his contract that if he crashes into his teammate then he gets a financial penalty. And he's gonna be desperate enough to sign a contract with that in it has he has less options
And who would decide if he was the one responsible for the incident? A judge, in a court of law?
Such subjective clauses are impossible to implement.
@@leoarc1061 that's why we're not contract lawyers and professionals handle this stuff. But could be something simple as if the Team principal deems you to be at fault than there's a punishment without breaking contract
If that was one of the clauses he wouldn't sign for that team. No one likes to be controlled
@@aravindhdeivag111 It's not like he would have a choice now is it? The point is that he has made his own bed. He is fast, he is tenacious but for him to be kicked out of a French team where he more than holds up against his team mate says a lot. He is considered toxic to the point where he has closed much better doors off for himself. So, if a team manager of one of the only teams that dare touching him says that this time we will do things a bit differently, do you think he will say goodbye to F1 or perhaps swallow his pride...?
@@AntiVaganza think of it this way. F1 drivers have the most fickle ego. The thought of another person controlling them is less bearable than not having a seat.
Strange that Theo Pourchaire or any of current F2 performers are not even being considered as an option
Theo and Drugovich won their F2 championship titles on their 3rd year at the series which is underwhelming
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer but the guys who are being considered haven't done it yet
@@sankalpsharma5963 Yes but Kimi is very clearly a major talent, although I also do believe he needs one more year in f2 before being moved up. Bearman I don't understand the hype around to be honest.
The next curveball that could turn things into a mess all over again would be if come the summer break Red Bull decides to part ways with Checo by triggering a performance clause (apparently there's one for he should be within 100 pts of Max). Maybe we might not see any more big moves to other teams until after the summer break because the rest of the grid might by looking at what would happen to Checo.
The amount of media content and its resulting revenue generated from this year's driver's market is kind of amazing.
I mean that in a positive way. There is so much to ponder about.
I'm glad to see you guys discussing F1 news in person. Reason being, with bots taking so much bandwidth I no longer have time with a video "voiced over" images. Thanks for your knowledgeable and reasoned viewpoints.
Why does the commentor on the left not have his mic plugged in. It’s just there for show? 😅
The new wireless XLR connection.
So that you would leave this exact comment and boost the algorithm.
Probably a mic with XLR and USB. Plausible as there's a direct headphone out aswell visible.
It's obviously wireless! 😂😂
4:46, it was plugged in for a moment ☝🏼
Honestly, going to Haas could be the saving grace for Ocon's career. If he manages to cool down a little, assumes the role of team leader and is a good mentor to bearmann, he could turn his image in F1 around.
As an Ocon fan I can't wait if they continue this upward trajectory, he's never been the standout #1 driver at a team and has always had brilliant teammates, which alot of the time he's beating
Ocon a mentor? Be serious.
@@T_Mo271 Hes the best midfield driver on the grid
"He will give you some great race weekends. We've seen what he's capable of. At his best, he's fantastic."
And he'll also give you some absolutely terrible race weekends. We've seen what he's capable of. As his worst, he's a nightmare.
Thats the point though, a consistently solid but average driver isn't gonna get Haas anywhere becuase theyre to the lower end of the midfield. A driver that finishes 20th, 20th, 8th, 20th, 20th is still doing more for you than a guy finishing 11th or 12th five times in a row.
I would say Perez goes to Williams, Lawson should go to Racing Bulls next to Ricciardo, Tsunoda should take the seat of Perez at Red Bull and Sainz should go the Sauber 😅
Scott with a mad Ocon putdown LOL....."He's just a better Magnussen that'll occasionally drive into his teammate" 🤣🤣
Still amazes me that RedBull chose Perez over Sainz
Sainz has never beat Max in a race. Checo has, don’t compare them.
@@Arturito2017 Silverstone 22 (Sainz-P1, Checo-P2) and Singapore 23
I'd like to see Ocon with a weaker team-mate. He's quick enough to get the most out of his car, and has often found himself with a similar level driver in the other car and thus occupying the same space on the track a lot (Perez, Gasly, Alonso, it was only really Ricciardo who he couldn't keep up with during his comeback year). Give him a developing rookie in the other seat and he could very well be a good fit.
He's basically a number 1 driver only, but I'm not sure he's quick enough to justify that level of investment from a lot of the teams.
Facts!! I am excited if he goes to Haas
Why Sainz won't sign with VW's Audi branded entry still blows my mind. With all their brands pretty much dominating any form of motorsport they enter it's hard to believe their F1 entry will be any different. I'm sure they will be pulling plenty of talent from their disparate brands to help the Audi team (Porsche, Bugatti, Lamborghini, VW, even call in a favor from their buddies at Rimac and Rivian), so their engineering team and cash flow will be top notch!
He needs to be in the team in 2025 to help develop the 2026 car to fit his driving style.
They reportedly only offered a one year contract
It's musical chairs at the moment.
I want Daniel to get the red bull seat (Im Australian) but either way Yuki Daniel Liam or someone else red bull need to get rid of checo. He did the exact same thing last year where he has a few good races at the start of the year and then is pretty much useless for the rest of the year. he's gotta go
I think people tend to undermine how much Magnussen brings to a team.
I think if we look back at the 2016 run with Renault you realise that.
Also there is a reason why as soon as there was an excuse to ditch Mazepin Haas called him back.
saying, "Ocon is a better Magnussen" seems to be an odd thing to say, since we have no metrics measuring that.
they both have flaws and they can both bring a lot to a team
Ocon was competitive against Alonso. Kmag is being washed by Hulkenberg. I think it's pretty clear who the better driver is. And Bearman isn't going to be challenging Ocon as a rookie anyway so the chances of an intra team conflict are low, unlike with Gasly or Alonso whom Ocon was very closely matched with and always racing on track.
@@Bricefriha What do you mean? We DO have lot of metrics shown that Ocon is better than Magnussen.
Qualy, Race, Pace, Age, Any metric you want...
The Only downside of Ocon V Magnussen is teamplay
Having just signed a promising rookie like Bearman, why on earth would Haas consider someone with the reputation of team fucking that Ocon has? If i was Haas, I’d sign Bottas to mentor Bearman. Ocon is a good driver, but he needs to be somewhere with an experienced team mate who won’t take his shit.
Imagine the bizarre actually happens, and RBR kick Checo for Daniel, then Doohan gets the Alpine seat, and Lawson the RB seat… suddenly, we’ve got 3 Australian (plus 1 NZ - AKA basically Australian) on the grid at the same time…
And Bottas too... (kinda lol)
I dont know why you would put Daniel in RBR. He hasnt shown anything that justifies promotion.
@@P4P5 The question becomes then if Perez is on the outer who gets the RBR seat if not Ricciardo? Tsunouda is basically on the outer really because of the Honda tie in and that is going away anyway. Lawson, whilst he did an admirable job standing in for Ricciardo after he was injured I can't see them putting in a rookie. That would basically kill the suggestion of the 'Put your signage on our car please' VCARB team being the junior squad like Lord Helmut still likes to call it.
@@P4P5Because of 1- Team dynamics. If RBR won’t sign Sainz because their dads don’t along, they aren’t going to sign man-child Yuki. Ricciardo gets along well with Max and it’s universally agreed from all the teams he’s been at, that he provides the most valuable feedback for car set up and development. RBR aren’t looking for a #1 driver, they already have it, which is why they don’t want Sainz. If they just wanted the best available, Sainz would have been signed months ago. They want a solid #2 driver that gets along with Max and can provide value to the engineers for set up and development.
Man, after being rejected by everyone multiple times and almost out of F1. Theres still people talking about Ricciardo on RB??? 😂😂😂
Going from 2023 to 2024 where nobody has changed seats for the first time in F1 history to going to 2025 where it's the most changes ever. Crazy.
Lots of pieces on the chess board at this point for sure. On another note, Ed Straw has the type of voice that is like a warm blanket. It is soothing and keeps your attention. Perfect voice for podcasts, etc.
You put Sainz in the Mercedes! You better tell Russell that it is a competition. I think Sainz might be a better driver than Russell
Ocon at Haas will be total chaos and bad for Bearman ✌️
He's also faster than K Mag and a better shot at scoring points which Haas needs now that Hulk is leaving and they have a rookie who will need some time to adjust. And Bearman is unlikely to be at Ocon's pace as a rookie so chances of a conflict are low.
@@areebsiddiqui758 True. Plus Bottas is good at developing car and has lot of experience in top team. He has 10 wins and 67 podiums.
I feel that people kinda forget that ✌️
@@Unik39 Bottas is way more likely to end up at Williams than Haas so Ocon is the obvious choice. The Ocon hate is crazy, he's obviously a far better driver than Magnussen. Even if that comes ta the cost of a fractious teammate relationship.
@@areebsiddiqui758 it won't be an issue, unless Ollie starts right at his heels in pace there shouldn't be much confrontation
And if Ollie matches Ocon in his rookie season than Ollie just proved his worth since Ocon is a solid benchmark
Ocon will be too far ahead of Bearman to cause problems
Does Kevin Magnussen have a shot at Logan Sargents Williams seat?
Putting Ocon next to a rookie would be a disasterous choice. Haas has become a more serious team under Komatsu and with Gene Haas majorly downsizing his NASCAR operation they should have more resources. Not to mention the wild rumors of Toyota looking to come on board as a major sponsor with a pathway to real techinical support and a possible full entry down the road. They need to hire serious drivers with long term goals. Bearman is just a loan until Hamilton retires. Haas needs it's own driver development pipeline.
I wouldn't mind seeing Ocon at Haas teamed with Bearman. I wonder if Ferrari would be okay with that though?
Ocon is expensive in repairs, with very little sponsorship
Expensive in repairs yet he's rarely at fault for crashes, and even finished last of the destructors championship in 2021... next joke please
Why Sainz wouldn’t sign with Audi is beyond me. Maybe they wouldn’t commit to a long term deal? But they’ve been so successful in all forms of Motorsport so it feels like a no brainer.
They want to give Sainz a multi year deal. He just doesn't want to spend 2025 at the back of the grid with no guarantee of competitiveness from 2026 onwards
@@sheeshman9713 I’d take that deal. Is redbull going to be as competitive without Newey? And Mercedes haven’t set the world on fire under these regs so they can’t guarantee they’ll be competing for wins in 2026. I just think Audi will get it right eventually might take a few years but sign that long term deal and become team leader.
Pretty sure they promised Sainz the world but obviously there's no guarantee of competitiveness despite Audi's success in other series
Yes but it takes years to build yourself into a semi-competitive f1 team. Look how long it's taking Aston Martin even though they have had all the money, sponsors and are even signing great personnel? They've still had equally as many setbacks as step forwards because F1 isn't a game - it's incredibly complex and competitive. I wouldn't bet on Audi being successful for at least another 5 years after debut...5 years that Carlos does not have. You see the problem??
@@tanyaghosh2277 yeah I do but wouldn’t you want to build something. That’s true accomplishment. I get the quick easy option. But Carlos is legit. He could do something special. It’s a gamble.
Given that Russell's last deal expires in 2025, if Sainz went to Mercedes he's basically got to go in and beat him to make it hard for Mercedes to drop him at the end of the season (either by delaying Kimi coming in or just dropping Russell)
I can see Perez going to Audi, but hopefully Ricciardo gets the RedBull and Lawson gets his shot next to Tsunoda at VCARB. Then Doohan gets the Renault seat. Schumacher to Williams.
No mention of Drugovich? 🤨
Sargeant, Magnussen and Zhou out, Bearman, Lawson and Antonelli in... now it's just a matter of shuffling them.
Yes pls rush Antonelli in just like Logan so that he struggles and his career suffers.
@@jivewigpeople have no patience nowadays
@@jivewiglogan is actual shit tho unlike kimi
@@jivewig Logan would always suffer. The difference is in the talent. Besides that, I do think Kimi should be eased in.
Zhou is actually a very good driver, I would rather see Perez go instead of Zhou. If anything it would be awesome if Zhou gets the other Alpine seat since he and Gasly seem like they would get along well. In fact an Alpine/BYD partnership would be pretty prime!
Perez to Hass huge marketing upside for that team, Lawson to Sauber 😊❤
Prema breaking my heart. I fangirl for Bearman so hard, but he's having a shit season due to bad luck and prema fuck ups. He was FIRE last year.
I want to see Max go to Mercedes just for the maximum amount of chaos that would cause.
😂😂😂
Bruh if he goes to mercedes he can potentially be 8 time wdc 💀💀💀
If Lawson does replace Perez, I wouldn't be surprised if Ricciardo gets dropped for Isack Hadjar considering the latter's F2 performance right now and Marko being desperate to get him into F1.
Hadjar isn't as decisive at the moment as one might hope, Sure he is leading the championship right now but last year he finished 14th and behind his team-mate. Surely Iwasa would deserve a look in before Hadjar.
No way will they put Liam who is a rookie into a top seat straight away. Helmet said this during the week.
@@Deanooooo Indeed, Marko is still in somewhat of a power struggle with Horner. Realistically the "Your avertising goes here" VISA/CashApp/Coca Cola/Sprite RB team isn't really the breeding ground for new talent any longer. They have not had success with that since Max arrived otherwise why would they have gone down the Perez path in the first place.
I don't know about Marko being desperate to promote Hadjar, but if he wins the F2 title (which is not done yet), it would be reasonable to see him driving for RB next year, maybe replacing Ricciardo.
@@AndrewinAus If Hadjar is not "decisive" enough when leading the championship and winning 3 feature races (almost 4 with Monaco), what about Bearman and Antonelli?
The only possible way Kimi Antonelli gets the Merc seat if he's leading in F2 by a mile and is at least top 5. He ain't anywhere near that right now and given his pedigree before F2, yeah high expectations.
The guy on the left doesn't blink when talking!
But why are you lot presuming Williams will want Kimi?
Or indeed that he would want Williams, an absolute bin fire of an F1 team. I would hope he’d have more sense, although I suppose he could be taken in by James ‘talks a good fight’ Vowles, the interview and press conference world champion.
James said over and over again they’re not interested in being a feeder team to Merc and don’t care for Andrea.
But then again, „experts“ think Perez and Ocon are great drivers and teams would line up to sign Bottas who hasn’t done anything in the past years…
A YOKE!
@@wowareolysyeah but he’s full of it
Williams get what they’re given 😂
The fact is that Sargeant performed much better than Antonelli in his first F2 season (4th with 3 feature races wins). I am not sure Williams would want a worse driver than Sargeant.
How Ocon is still on the grid is beyond me. Costing teams money and points because you’re always in a one way pissing contest with your own teammate deserves a boot.
Let me prove all your points wrong
1. Race winner
2. Multiple time podium sitter in cars that shouldn't be there
3. Been at fault for 2 teammate crashes since 2017
4. Cost his team the least amount of money of any driver on the grid in 2021, and would've been down there again in 23 if it wasn't for Gaslys murder at Australia
@@rhensnfunny how you need to go back à few years, or ignore thst year or consider this exception to then prove that Ocon is a good choice.
Having to do so much cherry picking to try and defend him jsut shows he is not as good as you try and make him out to be.
He is an average driver with a proven track record of being a terrible team mate and crashing into his team mates.
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@@rhensn The cherry picking is real here.
@blueguy12344 Name me a teammate crash he was at fault for other than Perez at Baku 2017 and Gasly at Monaco
@junkiexl86 How? 1 point was over his whole career and the other was 2 of the last 3 season??
Insightful analysis! It's a tricky drivers' market and I don't think I've ever seen it harder to unpick. Odder still is how the predicted outcomes are all looking very meritocratic indeed, in spite of so many different commercial factors. All the obvious duffers go and the grid gets an upgrade, which is amazing considering quite how much talent there was/is in that last huge youth intake - the cohort of good friends. This could be as good as an F1 grid has ever been.
I just don't want see Ocon's wry smile again lol 😅
I hope we see it on the podium
Kimi needs more seasoning than just 1 F2 season. He's just a kid it's not like he's gonna be 27 if you park him in F2 for a few seasons
He could stay as a ferrari reserve for 2 years. Then when hamilton leaves rejoin them
Hamilton has a 3 year contract
Why would he even want that?
@@clubdevoiture1618 yeah we all watched Coulthard suggest the same. How about an original thought next time?
Lol, is Ben's prop mic even plugged in? You can see the open socket in the video.
If I was Sainz I would take next year off if I didn’t sign with a big team. It would make him appear even more appealing. He’ll be able to come off the bench in early 2025 when thing implode somewhere.
Antonelli stays in F2, Bottas back to Williams, Doohan to Alpine, Lawson to Red Bull, Ocon to Haas, Perez to Audi, Ricciardo stays at RB and Sainz to Mercedes.
I would love to see Sainz at Red Bull, but I don't think it will happen, Sainz easily top 5 driver this year.
get ricciardo, ocon, stroll and sargent out of F1!
If AUDI want to show they are serious and want to be winners in F1. Signing Perez would show the exact opposite. Winners dont signe losers.
@@SilverScarletSpider Agree 100%. Not sure what everyone's fascination with DR is. I like the guy, he's a walking PR dream, but he's just not that good of a driver. There is a reason RBR haven't brought him back. And I cannot fathom them putting DR back in Checos seat despite what everyone thinks will happen.
@@junkiexl86I bet you are younger than 25 years old. Absolute 0 knowledge of f1 and its history. Flop
I wouldn't call Antonelli to Williams either if he doesn't get the Mercedes call, he's struggling too much in F2
Are you looking at Wikipedia or do you actually watch the races. Prema has been horrific this season and it's taken since Austira for them to finally understand their cars. Antonelli literally won the sprint race in Silverstone ffs
@@stevenjoseph6048so on that basis Williams will keep Logan because he's beating Perez in quali 🤷♂️
Vowles said he was not keen on taking drivers from other teams on loan so I think he'll always go for Bottas over Antonelli.
@@stevenjoseph6048 hey, I do watch the races, thank you very much, and he did win the sprint HEAVILY benefited by the rain (easier to run from the front when only qualifying 10th too) so, even with the victory, he is VERY green and unproven
@@stevenjoseph6048 also, gfy for talking to me like that
I still think there will one final twist in the market before it settles. As we’ve covered. Great content as always The Race
Is this even a possibility: Max to Merc, Sainz and Dani Ric to RBR, Liam to VCarb, Perez to Stake/Audi, Kimi to Williams, Bottas to Haas, Doohan to Alpine
The F1 driver market can change at any time you do not know what can happen and Perez and Daniel Ricardo can tell you so
@@Andrew-rd4ig Not really. Except Hamilton, all other signing was predicted way before happening.
I hope ocon doesnt get a seat. That guy doesnt deserve one, there are plenty better drivers who hadnt had the chance yet
He is a better driver than Magnussen, Bottas, Ricciardo Zhou, Tsunoda and Stroll.
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 lol never
@@quentinhirschfeld9382 Ocon > Stroll or Zhou argument can be made. The rest, nah.
With Mercedes starting to get a proper grip on the car, they have to sign Sainz. Throwing in a complete rookie is a huge gamble. It was an idea when the car was struggling to be at the top of the mid-field but with a car now being able to win, you want an experienced driver, and Sainz is perfectly cast. The idea at getting back at your old team with the team whose driver you replaced them with is an extra motivational bonus for Mercedes.
Did Hulk sign too soon? It would have been amazing to see him in the second Red Bull or Mercedes.
Checo needs to go, his performance is just unacceptable. He will be a good mid field driver like he always was, but definitely not RB.
He for the most part, only did well at RB when RB had a car miles better than the rest of the field. Hell Logan could have podium'd with it.
@@junkiexl86Logan? you smoking crack
why do they keep talking about Kimi to Williams? Bottas is 90% into Williams already
90%😂😂😂
Bottas is going to Indycar 😂
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer it was literally reported yesterday that a deal is close between Williams and Bottas....
@@phodge9985 Ocon to Haas and Bottas to Williams are almost foregone conclusions.
What kind of 🔔 end gets on YT arguing about something they know nothing about, like where a driver is going, as if they have some kind of inside knowledge? Muppets.
i saw the thumbnail and i first thaught it was a f1 24 simulation video
Carlos was always doing the smart thing waiting. People like Buxton were kidding themselves acting like doors could close if he waited around. Who is going to race to sign a Bottas? A top seat is going to open by 2027 at latest. So, a short term is no issue.
Antonelli is at best a mid F2 driver, not up to standard for an F1 promotion. Sainz to Merc. Dump Perez, get Ricciardo on trial at Redbull and Liam Lawson at RB, plus Jack Doohan to Alpine.
How the hell can you justify putting riccardo in at Red Bull? Hes been awful and tsunoda has out performed him over and over and over and over and over again
@@renlysotherlover294Red Bull don’t rate Tsunoda for the top seat. It’s been said over and over, what don’t you understand? Riccardo is the next option as they won’t put Liam who is a rookie straight into a top seat.
Disagree that Ocon is a faster KMAG. He might be fast, but his racecraft is not superior to KMAGs, and he is often too aggressive, especially with his teammates. I really don't get why so many like him.
He is faster than KMAG. Kmag has only beaten Jolyon Palmer, Mick and Grosjean in his career - all of whom were barely f1 drivers for more than 2-3 years. Everyone whose beaten him has done so by a big margin, like Hulk and Button. He has also been dropped from f1 twice.
Ocon has always been within 10 points of his teammate whether that is ahead of them or behind. While he has been dropped from F1 once, it was more to do with Renault being broke than lacking performance compared to a teammate. He has matched Gasly, Alonso and Perez, even beating Alonso in 22'. Gasly he lost to by one point last year because he had shit luck with DNFs over the season. Perez he has never been more than 13 points behind even his rookie and 2nd year in F1. The only person he's ever been smashed by is Ricciardo in 2020, his first year back in f1 after being dropped for 2019.
It is completely factual to say Ocon is faster than Kevin Magnussen - even if you discredit his earned Hungary win, he's put a shitbox Alpine into P3 at Monaco (a very difficult racing track) and led the Qatar GP in 2021 while Max and Lewis were battling for the title. He has 1 win compared to Kevin's zero, and 3 podiums compared to Kevin's 1.
I'm not even a fan of Ocon but he, unlike 85% of the rest of the grid, has had to scrap for every single point he's earned in his entire racing career because he didn't have the best cars and teams sponsoring him like all the other guys (Gasly, Charles, Lando, etc). He really has earned whatever he's achieved whether you rate that highly or not. Not to mention, Alonso and Gasly have the reputation of not being good teammates either! Perez is the only one who Ocon has crashed into and it's 100% his fault.
Ocon is a good fast driver. Let's not forget Gasly taking them both out in Australia last year and other incidents where Ocon wasn't at fault. Funny, Bruno Dickhead only seemed to chastise Ocon.
@@tanyaghosh2277Grosjean has 10 F1 podiums and was in for 9+ years
@@chamindujanith6337 True I personally don't think he was as bad as some people made him out to be but he definitely binned results even more than Magnussen does. He is also less of a good teammate as Kev - see how often he's helped out Nico this year. Plus, Romain would get beaten by almost all his teammates, so it was a nail in the coffin because he could not perform to the level of the car.
Im a die hard Ferrari fan but I am more a Sainz fan. Hope he gets a great outcome and shows Ferrari what they let go.
There’s one name you’re forgetting and should be in the mix. 2 time champion and current championship points leader in Indy car Alex Pulou.
17 year old Kimi who no real title win was never going to be used to replace Lewis. Toto really wanted Lewis to retire not move to Ferrari.
Hasn't Antonelli won many junior categories? Hamilton chose to leave Mercedes, he had a contract with them for next year...
@@seanonraet8327 technically, Antonelli has only won FRECA. But he has already proven that the Mercedes decision to skip f3 was the right one. They were expecting Prema to be the championship winning car and therefore, Ollie and Kimi could fight for the Championship but the car is mid. Kimi has been good in f2 so far this year but realistically he needs one more year in f2 before being moved up to f1.
@@seanonraet8327 Junior categories isn't good enough to replace Lewis, and far from F3 and F2 title wins. If Lewis didn't sign for Ferrari quickly after signing the new Mercs contract, and Ferrari gave Sainz two years where would Lewis be if Mercedes withdrew their contract at the end 2024 or 2025? Lewis was meant to retire. Without that Ferrari contract he would have, you could see all the pain released from him after Silverstone. He himself started to believe it was over for him.
Boot Serigio in the summer. Promote Ricciardo for half the year. Bring in Lawson for VCARB. Valteri at Haas. Doohan at Alpine. Carlos for Merc. Kimi for Wlliams.
Why riccardo? Dude cant even beat his teammate
@@a.a.1245 Sowe can finally answer the question and boot Danny RIc at the end of the season as he will inevitably fail as the second driver at Red Bull
Bro has come from the future. I can confirm
@@JoeKnaggswhy fail? He loves the way that red bull drives, pointy front end. Suits his driving style the best out of all the teams.
Imagine Carlo55ainz moved to Merc to replace 44 and become the world driver champion 2025 next year.
I don't know who TBC is, but it's pretty impressive that he's got 6 seats.
this is the weirdest silly season of all time
I don't quite understand the Lawson hype. No championships at the f3, f2 or super formula level. Scored two points as a stand in, and somehow that warrants a seat at the senior rb team?
Pilots a backmarker for a few races and doesnt crash out so everyone is on his nuts
I mean they put him in an f1 last minute, he looked good, that's more data than any f2-f3 race stats
@@joshuathurgood6120Scores points and knocks Max Verstappen out in Q2. That's headline material.
So many good f2 guys that no where near a drive compared to others, it’s not always straight up skill that gets you a seat
Outperformed Ricciardo with his “dodgy chassis”, scored points/did well across more than one race in a bad car. The fact Ricciardo is still in is baffling to me. Even if some races he’s performing similar to Yuki, he’s not a young driver.
The wait is so frustrating, I just want someone to make a decision 😂
RB needs to sign Carlos before Mercedes does.
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