Will THIS Change Vaporwave Forever?
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- Today, let’s explore the much discussed topic of sampling vs. non-sampling in the Vaporwave scene today. Will this community-wide conversation change Vaporwave forever?
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So where do you stand on the whole sample vs. non-sample topic in Vaporwave?
Love samples, but I’m always stoked to hear some solid, original work😄
OK so me and my friend have argued about this forever. I sorta make "vaporwave" but I only use audacity. I don't have any music composing software and I suck at the piano. All of the stuff I make falls into the "slowed and chopped" category. I really appreciate stuff like windows 96 with lots of originality for the effort that goes into it but I don't think sampling makes anyone any less of an artist. I won't refuse to listen to sampled stuff just because it's sampled. My friend does this and I don't think that's the way to go. However, the lazy way that I do stuff can turn people away, which I completely understand. It's just a hobby for me. Id love to try to make some originals tho. I love both. As long as it sounds cool and aesthetic I'm down.
On my most recent album, I blend Sampling and Non-Sampling by fusing genres like future funk and tropical house. I also take inspiration from other sampling practices such as mashup.
The best tracks use relatively obscure samples and turn them into something totally unrecognizable
Expanding on what you said. None sampling music is beautiful and has much more potential to change the industry.
But it is something new and different, maybe we shouldn't even call it vaporwave, but a new branch of vapor-related music.
Vaporwave music is music made using samples of 70's-onward electronic/synthesized sounds made to create nostalgia. Music that doesn't do that but evokes a similar feeling needs a new name that fits it's own intentions, IMO.
Pad: Sampling or Non-sampling?
Me, an intellectual: Yes.
the only real answer
Samplen’t.
Both
sampling yourself
You can draw and paint a complete illustration from scratch using photoshop
A better comparison with visual art would have been using photo bashing vs not using photo bashing
I’ll take both and always remember that vaporwave do sampling before and after but the non-sampling vaporwave exists to prove that vaporwave doesn’t have to be sampled from the 80s or the 90s
Is there a dorky side of vaporwave?
Sampling gets a bad rap because of how often it's abused. Think about how many lazy albums you've found in the past? It's good if you do it with subtly. It's sometimes not even edited. I never want to accidentally discover the origin of a sample personally.
Sampling is what created our community, the original work is what made it evolve into something even better, never one without the other!
Amen!
Lazy, chopped samples have always been my favorite type of aesthetic, but there are some FIRE tracks made with pure creative artistry.
same here bb, there's just something about it.
@@PadChennington Probably cause most of the samples are from familiar nostalgic songs and jingles from games, cartoons, etc..
The classic stone bust, 3D texture grid just gets me. I’m a sucker for the classics😄
Pad Chennington I think I finally figured it out. Nostalgia is supposed to be a carefree time, lazy time. That’s why lazily chopped vaporwave sounds so goddamn good
The best vaporwave combines both samples and OG instrumentation
yes
That's what I do with making it, both making stuff yourself and manipulating samples in interesting ways
@@bg08395 Das it mane
Personally ive always enjoyed the non sampled vaporwave more because of the abstract sound design(ex: Ashley - Satin Sheets). But sometimes that sampled stuff do be hittin. I just hate the super super lazy stuff
sometimes that hits the hardest.... for example..macintosh plus 420 😄
a lazier style can sometimes be better though
Dang maybe I should sample it!
You have a point there Pad . Sampling gives a sense of nostalgia to the Genre. Non-sampling provides a uniqueness to the genre. A fingerprint that only the artist can replicate. It’s not about which one is better than the other. They are both tools for creating music. It’s not what is used, it’s how.
Well stated.
We are back at the beginning. Hip hop was built and created around the art of sampling. Then people started branching out, all while still digging for that one. Vaporwave is the internet era version of that. It's so much music, we will never be able to hear it all. 🌊🍻
honestly, i think sample and non-sampled are both excellent, and i don't necessarily prefer one or the other
Vaporwave is an exercise in reclamation. In the same way that adbusting or other culture jamming activities reclaim the visual space (streets, billboards, skylines, etc), vaporwave at it's most relevant is reclaiming some aspect of the auditory space (commercials, jingles, muzak, etc). I completely agree with your comparison of Photoshop and Illustrator; these two methodologies are more like partners than competitors.
Also, what are we saying when we say "sample"? Unless you're mixing live drums and synths, you're sampling the work of others (just with a license). I think the line between sampling and non-sampling is so blurry that it might as well not be there, if we're talking about the actual means by which people craft their work.
This is very true. Even the great Mozart himself partook in sampling - or the late 18th century equivalent. I recall reading for one composition it came about by unearthing some long hidden church music while visiting Rome.
There is no doubt that if today's strict copyright laws were applied to his era, many of the outstanding works would never have seen daylight. And that for me, is what a big part of what the philosophy behind waporwave is: standing up to the abuses of Copywright law by billion-dollar labels/publishers. By sampling, we are poking fun at their tight grip on music recordings, which they have long made a lot of money out, sometimes at the cost of the original artist.
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I love sampling in general when it’s done right ❤️🌹
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As a producer who has made tracks both entirely with samples and sample free, my favorite approach is to have a good balance of both.
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agreed
Eyeliner : Buy Now is pretty unique as a non sample album. The midi slap bass 👌
Aghhhh I love Eyeliner!! The slap bass makes for a really good, recognizable style.
Oh wow i'm actually working on a vaporwave album that uses both for maybe 6 months or something :D it's gonna bang when it's done, just gotta master some tracks and make a cover. So hyped to see this video pop up, great video 💞
"Do you prefer sampling or non-sampling in vaporwave?"
Yes.
vapowave has evolved into subgenres, but the slowed down chopped up sample style aka Floral Shoppe style still exists & should always be referred to as Classic Vaporwave.
Gotta also consider that many artists may be trying out the non-sampled route in order to make their music more profitable (not having to clear these samples, getting it on major streaming platforms, touring with it if its successful, etc)
Good question, Pad.
I guess sampling is important as a part of the begining (as you described editing).
But exactly non-sampling way (creating) allows the begining walks further in double matter to share unlimited variety of ideas instead of slow degradation and death of the prototypes.
So both methods are good but only your choise and taste in their juggling (as an artist or painter or filmmaker) would help other people judge your creations in the possiblest meaning of existing as a teaching model for more ideas on developing creativity. Sort of the re-thinking the whole meaning as a post-modernism therm )))
P.S. - still myself adore primitive infinity Frequencies and Internet Club structures and use them in my music since 2013. Hope will find one day more possibilities with original content creation )))
As much as I love good sampling, not using my fourteen years of piano experience would be dumb.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say 1000x if needed: vapour is mood music made with a DIY and a DGAF attitude (or as I saw on a Twitter response: mood punk). As to sampling vs. non-sampling: as long as the end result is interesting. Though I’ll say at this point, pretending like it’s still 2013 is ... well ... let’s just say it’s a full-circle for the scene: getting nostalgic for a period of time when everyone was nostalgic for a period of time. But again, if one is able to make work with whatever you have, go for it =]
=Additional thoughts=
While I understand that vaporwave started with plunderphonics, I don't think it's a necessary condition for the scene, certainly at this point. After all, there are definitely artists who are known and respected in the scene who use little to no samples (certainly not using a plunderphonics approach). The drive that explains almost all of the music in the scene is to create a mood. Nostalgia is just a mood and it's not the only mood one can evoke. But the mood is the foundation upon which everything else is built. And the way you can realise that mood can be anything: sample cornucopia or a plunderphonic phantasmagoria, three-minute "pop songs", thirty-minute drone/ambient works, two-minute future funk "tunes", etc. This is why I keep talking about free the scene as it doesn't matter what that thing is but rather what does it do. It can take on any structure imaginable because what ties it together is that fundamental core, which is the mood.
The minute you start putting some kind of checklist on something, that's when it goes from an art movement/scene into a formula. Personally, I like to keep it as a scene where anything can still happen. You should not create a laundry list of expectations ... and this goes for either camp, so to speak. The field is still wide open and I think it will take a long time before we decide to "close the frontier".
Yeah men, Vaporwave its not only about sampling. What really defines the genre is the "mood or melancoly of being in another place" that you get while listening to a track. And you can get that vibe with many factors, like using some samples like "Chuck Persons ECCO JAMS", using nostalgic and otherworldly sounds like "James Ferraro: Far Side Virtual", editing or manipulating audios... So satisfying to get someone that thinks like you.
sampling all the way. non-sampling can sound good but sampling in vaporwave is too ingrained in the ethos and conceptions of vaporwave to ignore
I agree immensely. The genre as a whole is about the fakeness of capitalism, is it not?
Sampling aids in the whole nostalgia thing. Without that there's nothing for me to hook onto.
I just realized this is 1 year old. agh
There should never be a vs. in music production like this. Especially not in a genre specifically made on the idea of romancing past capitalism. The heart and soul of vaporwave is to create an aching for the past drowned in the pastels with a commercial or show you loved just ever so slightly out of earshot.
How can one justify using copyrighted samples of artists? Simple: it's a product to be bought. You paid for it like I paid for say, a block of cheese. A cow has made the milk, and someone has churned and cured the cheese, and someone else has distributed the cheese. Then, someone was paid to put that cheese there, but it is still just that: cheese. Purpose made for someone to buy and use. I buy the cheese to go home and make some delicious chicken alfredo with the cheese I have purchased. Music is the same way. What's the point of someone making music if there is no one else to hear or use it? If others are not accepting that their works of art are eventually to be copied or used in something else, they are not thinking at a much bigger problem that goes beyond simple property rights. They are only thinking about their cut, and not the fact they have other people who were paid to produce, record, distribute, etc. This is where vaporwave drastically differs from this.
The whole point of vaporwave is to 'buy' or discover lost pieces of the past. That disposability IS what makes vaporwave so very different as a genre of music, and why it is perfectly suited for the internet. It's not just cheap in the sense of inexpensive to make, it's like watercolors or clay. You can just take it out of the ground, and no one would bat an eye except only the must ludicrous individuals. Plus as you said Pad, there is even a sense of contentment when you hear the original sample, or know where a sample comes from in spirit. Everything old is new again.
Artists in vaporwave shouldn't be afraid to start out with samples starting out, as that is how you learn. Basics first, and don't try and make the next Concert in F Major. Unless somehow you're Mozart strutting around in Zuuba pants with a bright pink hypercolor t-shirt. Point being that samples are the atoms, the building blocks of vaporwave. But they are a tool, a color. The canvas is the artist themselves. They are the paper that they must write upon, and they are to explore that when they make music. Artists grow when they are going beyond their comfort zones to the point where even their comfort zones feel like they are straining what is acceptable for them.
Vaporwave this year is getting people to notice it because the artists are 'taking themselves seriously.' Not as a genre, because we're putting busts of dead emperors over pastels, I mean it's kinda part of the fun that we realize we're big goofs. However, we're goofs that noticed something was missing in the world. We're bringing back some nostalgia life forced us to put away for the moment, only for us to realize we can make that our lives regardless. It has lessons and meaning, and that we are to learn that this overly-colored and dreamy past we had wasn't just a chance for humanity to joke about at the time: we really did achieve what some would feel was a big collective sigh of relief. If only for a decade, the world felt like it could just go on. We were working on social issues, we had a bustling economy world-wide, we were seeing technology vastly expand, and we were just coming to a new age. We just tapped into information not since the printing press was made, or even to the first time humans were creating words. Vaporwave is that good feeling and vibe, but seen through the eyes of an older, wiser generation. The Millenial generation that is blamed for ruining everything is aware of it, and they're doing everything to remind everyone that things haven't changed. Only the dates have, and maybe the flavors of sodas. Seriously Pepsi, I want to see Pepsi Blue come back.
Sampling is part of the greater insight that vaporwave found, and that we are to use it wisely because when that happens, it'll be someone else's turn to sample us. Our freshest beats will become the new standards, and therefore they must change by someone else's hand. The cycle begins again. Wholly organic products by something so artificial, you might as well call it the information cycle.
Stay true Pad.
As a visual artist, and freshman musician, I think it is best said by Picasso, " good artists create, great artists steal " all innovation in art ( including music ) is just built off of what someone has done. There is very little original content. The originality is in the presentation of the content. Just my humble thought on it. Sampling is good, and creating is good. Why not do both. Or either. No version of creativity is less creative than another. Lol 😂 I would love to get to the level of people sampling my stuff.
Hey Pad, I wanted to add some subtitles to your videos, but I checked a lot of them and there's no option for adding subtitles. Why is that? Is there a reason behind this?
Great topic 99% of my beats are samples I grew up on it collected vinyl learned the craft over a decade. And take pride in my skills. However I always have this inner battle and self critic about playing my own stuff and chopping that up. It’s hit or miss and my skills aren’t there like my ability to quickly chop stuff up on the sp404 or 303 and make some dope shit. I go back n forth on wanting to learn keys better but always fall back into into sampling like an old lover u know so well and know exactly what do do with. Good photoshop analogy. They do compliment each other and the inner battle is just my inner critic. I still don’t have a answer but I hope to use my chopping and sampling skills in a new way by chopping my own stuff and mixing in some samples especially dialogue and efx helps create the aesthetic and vibe to accompany organic instrumentation. Love ur channel great saint Pepsi interview. Peace✌️♒️👽🔮👾🍄
I like a good mix of both. Vaporwave, being such a vast genre, has so many variations of itself to offer, and as you said, we'll likely never get to hear them all!
How about this: an artist writing potential top-40 hit songs, but doesn’t release them. Instead merely samples them for their vaporwave projects. It’d be called high budget triple-A vaporwave. Or vaporwAAAve.
I’m high right now.
I think both can vibe if it’s done right 🙏🏼
preaachh
Nofi squad
I love the sampled stuff, but made my own album of original vw and attempted to make it sound like it was kind-of old. I don't think it tops the sampled stuff, because to me that's what vaporwave is really about - taking the songs I grew up with in the 80s and making them sound like a distant memory playing back to me at some random point in my day. People who are really good at sampling have achieved this effect when I listen to the music, some of the people that have made the sampled music weren't even born then, and yet they've made me feel like I'm back there in the 80s, that's amazing. Samples & nostalgia all the way!
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When i think vaporwave i think of the OGs, like eccojams, floral shoppe, and winners circle. Those are sampled and they sound unique and amazing.
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Wasn't Birth of a New Day entirely non-sampled?
I think both are brilliant, but I can’t imagine sampling being entirely abandoned. That would just be sinful.
i think both if used well are good!
I personally listen to vaporwave for that nostalgia feeling. Samples or original content, if the music takes me to the rose tinted view of the 80s and 90s that exists within my head, then it’s done its job.
drive.google.com/file/d/1A9d5rZM603DW6ZknUYGu_-EjVQOJ_AAh/view?usp=drivesdk heres one of mine
the sub vs dubs of vaporwave
Change always leads to evolution
u know it!
I prefer Non-sampling, only if it can recreate the same exact melody, sound, music of the old times. But right now, sampled sounds better.
I've always held genres and subgenres as a specific deviation from a core model of an "ideal" track within the genre. The most to-the-model tracks are classed as "vaporwave", while tracks that deviate from the model should be categorised into subgenres.
For example, Future Funk is vaporwave, Future Funk is Sample House, "pure" vaporwave is not Future Funk.
Sampling was a core feature of the founding tracks of the genre, so thusly you can't have "pure" vaporwave without sampling, but you can still have vaporwave as long as it follows most of the other key elements of the model.
Sampling is awesome, but I prefer mangling my own stuff. That way I don't need to worry about copyright issues.
I am a vaporwave producer and I don't like sampling other songs. I do everything by myself (or almost everything... because sometimes i use google translator voices as samples). Being a musician helps you a lot.
I think the main thing when it comes to the argument for anti-sampling is that since we're dealing with a very specific period of music (80's-90's) and having no much content being put out every day, I think we might eventually run out of samples. (Personally I'd argue to just sample stuff from those 80's retro remixes you see on YT all the time, but regardless)
The “Non-sample” guys actually what killed my desire making Vaporwave and Lo-fi hip hop later on, because even if they don’t say it openly in your face, u still feel like they judging you for making “lazy way”. What if I want to create a 6 min track with a simple sample and shit tone of reverb and delay on it? For me, art, in any way, is the way express urself, even if u just stretch one song and that’s it, u still show what u hear, what u see as an artist. But most of “non-sample” guys just killing the fun of making this type of music. As for me, most of them ruining what Vaporwave was: a joke and basically trolling, the highest point of Post-Modernism era
Ahhhh yes. the backbone of art... Convenience and Oversaturation...
Guys I have a good question will we ever run out of 90s sampling
Is it possible that we are going to run out of 90s music to make a vaporwave sample?
Please Let me know what you think?
All music is sampling. Whatever you do, whatever you play you are simply triggering a sound that you did not create. The only possible exception to this is vocals, but even then you are sampling other musical things, the structures and words you use, it's all sampling, that's life, that's what keeps us bonded as a species, we sample from each other and from what came before and we create society, and civilization and all of it.
Pad always drops great videos at Monday.
I kinda like uploading on Mondays!
The problem is that non-sampled music in vaporwave and mostly in future funk community is praised much more than sampled music just because of that fact that it is without samples even for real it's a bullshit. That's a bad idea actually, something like this doesn't evolve genre at all.
I feel like it isn't vaporwave if it's not at least mostly sample based. I honestly think future funk is vaporwave, but something like birth of a new day is just ambient
Yo one of the best sampled tunes come from luxury elite sincerely-crush that shit melts my heart. Y'all should check it out.
Ps if anyone knows the sample plsssss tell me . Love the vid pad.
As someone who’s made both sample and non-sample based vaporwave, I’d say they both are valid and hella fun to make.
My man
If vaporwave started with heavy sample and people stopped using samples then it's not vaporwave anymore it's a new genre of music born from vapor wave but it not vapor wave.
Pad you inspired me to make vaporwave albums
Can I hear something?
I think it does not really matter as long as the music sounds good i do worry about people getting in trouble with copyright law when using too many samples so i would prefer it if they would try to make their own sounds when possible i also don't really like sampled vocals in vapor wave it makes it sound strange to me especially if im familiar with the original song.
There's actually one more stage of evolution that vaporwave and synthwave have not gone through
I get conflicted, because when I build around a sample, it feels unoriginal, but when I go without samples, it doesn't feel like Vaporwave.
Currently working on a full sampled album.
I do not want to see sampling removed from vaporwave
nor would i want to limit any artist to have to use them
I prefer samples with added instruments and samples and instruments like n mesh with his newest album using on the first track the classic oh yeah clip that used to be really popular but turning it into this fever dream esque scene that feels like youre diving head first into madness. And when used in more traditional vaporwave itself is a very nice touch displaying talent aesthetic and taste which i feel is a very welcoming treat.
2:23 in and I can already tell you that sampling will never die.
I definitely prefer sample focused production with a slight spice of original instrumentation. But that’s just my personal opinion. I find some of the purely original stuff quite jarring
Have fun with it and male some if ur not happy with it
preach
I love em both!!
samples are cool because then you can find the original song after...
And not using samples are great too because creativity. :))
(Yeah I gave up with giving a good reason)
:)
You should talk about some essential retrowave artists
I’m gonna be honest, I didn’t get into the genre until I found out that non sample-based vaporwave existed. Using big chunks of songs as samples always felt like cheaply calling other people’s work your own. But once I got into the non sample-based music I slowly started coming around to it. I gained an appreciation for the genre that eventually extended to the sample-based area. It just took non sample-based work to get me to open up to the genre, and once I started to appreciate the genre I became open to the idea of using other’s samples to tell completely different stories. Art inspires art, I guess
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Fuck this I’m going full non sample
I use fl studio, what synths and plugins in general should I use to make vaporwave?
Dexed, sc 55, korg m1, Linn drum, then chop and screw the sample, so it is authentic
correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t chill wave just vaporwave without the samples?
not exactly, considering there is vaporwave that doesn't use samples.
Is there a place where they upload vaporwave mixtapes constantly?
Christian The Magician Jason sanders on here
I like to sample old WWF promos
Man I can’t get enough of these videos, also reminder that new blank banshee album comes out in 3 days!!
Roy Vice look on his Twitter, it says June 20th and the albums speculated to be called metamorphosis because he has a Europe tour happening sometime this year and that’s what it’s called. Also the hologram bay website has been updated a lot with new merch and more so I’m almost positive somethings coming on the 20th.
liquidwave
I mainly have issues with sampling when it's the only thing going on in the track. Like that one that just loops a couple of bars from "Lady in Red" for 2 or 3 minutes. I mean, c'mon.
I'm 47, I grew up in the golden age of sampling with The Art of Noise and rap/hip hop. If it weren't for rap & hip hop sampling old funk tunes, I'd never really gotten into that genre. I used to hate modern pop music that sampled 80s pop, but then I thought about old rap stuff and figured the modern pop would be a gateway for kids to get into 80s pop stuff.
If I were to make a vaporwave track, I'd create my own R&B or smooth jazz groove at regular speed then sample and slow it down, then add stuff on top.
someone wanna make a song w me i know dope obscure samples
uwu Tunes knows whatsup
I love both worlds, took me some time to get used to the idea - but both worlds are great! I enjoy old skool slowed down 80's jamz but can also space out to 2814. And I can only encourage those who take a huge leap and dive into making their own original new age, vaporambient, jazz and what not.
"2019 has been crazy...CRAZY"
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[maniacal laughter degenerates into sickly caughing and sobbing]
I love making sample based vaporwave but personally I’m moving towards from scratch due to the pain that is copyright and licensing.
If anyone’s looking for some obscure groove and funky samples I got a playlist called “best groove tracks” check it out.
Here's a great example of sampled vaporwave that i did in my free time drive.google.com/file/d/1A9d5rZM603DW6ZknUYGu_-EjVQOJ_AAh/view?usp=drivesdk
Sorry for the crackles if you get any
Really nice video as usual. Maybe this comment is too specific, or nerdy.
Lately, when I want to make a vaporwave track I look for synths/keyboards that are in between eras, technology-wise. For example, I have been using the Roland D20, digital from 1988. So it is beyond the dx7 era, but has Linear arithmetic synthesis and Virtual Analog. The way VA sound is interesting, not like a Juno 106, but not like a modern VA synth. And it´s digital engine sounds like good material for corporate or elevator music while is not a 2001 weather channel sounding engine. Then if you make a track using outdated/cheesy chord progressions. Then that with samples and sound processing (down tuning, filters, flutter, etc.) I think that makes the best of both worlds.
There is a lot of keyboards in this gray area, that were pushing the limits of the original synthesis architecture, like the Alesis QS series, the Yamaha SYs, the Yamaha EX5, in production from 1998 to 2000, marking that last effort before the year 2000, shortlived, packed with almost everything they can fit in, it is called "Extended Synthesis". The tone generators implemented here include AWM2 (Advanced Wave Memory) Synthesis, AN (Analog Physical Modeling) Synthesis, FDSP (Formulated Digital Sound Processing) Synthesis and Virtual Acoustic (VL) Synthesis. That stretch is really something to dig for vaporware artist, that sense of unlimited achievement, this is it, this is how far synthesis goes, this is the best keyboard ever.
just my two cents.
sure, but most non-sample "Vaporwave" i've heard is Chillwave, which is a subgenre of the Outrun aesthetic (more commonly known for genres like Synthwave, Darkwave and Retrowave)
i've seen people mislable HOME as Vaporwave for example
i love me some sampling but also original shit can be super rad
peep satin sheets y'all it's top-tier sampleless vapor
I got a good question regarding this topic. Other viewers might be wondering as well. What advice would you give someone whose just getting into producing vaporwave? Like, what’re vaporwave labels looking for? 100% electronic, Orange milk, etc.
Someone make a band called Vaportrap Division NOW!!!!
I think non sampled music will drive more inter genre growth for vaporwave. The way Banshee made such a seminal album for the genre by injecting trap elements ultimately gave artists more inspiration. That said, I think I find myself going back to the more plunderphonics driven stuff like Luxury Elite when I want to immerse myself.
Sorry for the "essay" down here, but I find this Photoshop vs. Illustrator comparison quite compelling.
Interestingly enough, for the best one artist is the illustrations never are real photos. The closer one can get to it is the amount of dedication, effort, study and hours applied to the work. Photoshop was designed to edit images, mostly the ones of photographic origin. Thus, the analogy here is: the kind of music sampled in vaporwave is as "real photos", non-sampled music productions are as "illustrations". Some productions are like amazing illustrations, but hardly any of them look like "the real photo". With that, I mean music today doesn't seem to sound "the real thing" as it did before. Some non-sampling artists are indeed true geniuses, but many of them are not, usually sounding like "nearly vaporwave" and, in the majority of the cases, as "retroacting to chillwave" with touches of synth. In order to get that "vaporwave feel" I think non-sampling artists should treat, even conceive their originals as "sample material". Back to the Photoshop analogy, treat them as samples add some texture, contrast, effects, even "extra layers" to the work. That's why FM Skyline's latest album sounds "as good as vapor".
Plenty of samples left to discover, 80s Australian pub rock anyone?
My question is: Is the artist Burial with the album Untrue be considered as Vaporwave?
When creating art/music it is not easy to say at which point a piece of art is completely finished.
It really depends on the artist, at which point during the process of making it, he thinks it is perfect. Sampling in Vaporwave, or in general, is exactly about that if you ask me, because you most likely take a "finished product" and bend it the way you think it is perfect in your own way.
Generally speaken, that's how I see sampling in Vaporwave..
I think saying one is "better" is also kinda unnecessary, especially when they're compatible. However, I do think we should give credit where its due and appreciate those that made it organically appropriately. That's not to say they deserve more appreciation, but they likely invested more hours (and maybe heart? Idk about that one) into their final product and we should respect that extra bit of effort.
I absolutely love sampling and non sampling vaporwave however, if vaporwave changes into something completely different then what it is now I’d probably not listen to it unless it’s good.
I didn't finish it, but I had started a vaporwave album in which side 1 was original, 80s funky synth stuff I made, and the flip side was the same material vaporized. I got about two songs in or so, then ended up in another project that took priority (it was a record deal after all!) and so far haven't had time to go back and finish it. I am not exactly super genius so I'm sure someone else had this idea, and I'd be interested in hearing it..anyone out there know of such a project that was finished and released?