Why Iron Thorns is WORSE than Tyranitar in Gen 9 Competitive Pokemon.
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This has aged poorly.
Tyranitar what happened to you...
What no pursuit does to a mf
Ooph
T-tar is in RU of all places now.
Excadrill decided to not be in SV
P O W E R C R E E P
Dragonite: STAB extreme speed
Gholdengo: numerous immunities
T-tar: MAKE SAND
isn't dragonite dragon flight? extreme speed is normal type
@@TommyFit7 he meant terra normal dragonite
Tera normal type is become the meta for Dragonite
@@taibasarovadil aaaah got it, thanks
T-tar: Pocket sand! Sees Gholdengo: Aaaaaah
Tyranitar is so good that it outclasses even its Mega and Paradox forms. You can't upgrade Perfection
huh his mega evo has way better stats and same type and ability?
@@Kaysieders yeah but it wasn't that good because a life Orb Tyranitar could hit harder than its Mega, an assault vested Tyranitar could tank even a Focus Blast from Mega Alakazam unlike Mega Tyranitar. Not to mention that if you use a Mega Tyranitar then you cannot use any other Mega in that team so that's why 99% of people used regular Tyranitar with an Assault Vest or Leftovers. The same case also applied to Mega Garchomp as well. These two Mega Pseudo Legends didn't get much use cuz they weren't that good in the meta game. Trust me I've been playing competitive Pokémon for well over a decade now.
Wait it had a mega?
@@MasterIsabelle It did lol
@@Kaysieders That’s the case, but normal tyranitar is so much better. Having an empty item slot allows for so much variety. Life Orb, Choice Band, Assault Vest, Chople Berry etc. Just that makes normal tyranitar better than Mega
The idea of Ttar eventually being powercrept out of OU is a sad thought. Seeing other consistent heavyweights like Gengar and Starmie fall out of relevance is always a little depressing for some reason.
To be fair Gengar had to be nerfed through the loss of Levitate in gen 7 before he dropped out of OU.
Guys I have bad news
I mean to be fair it because we don't have any good sand abusers and photo syisthis on past mons boost sun to a ridiculous level
RU TTar.
lol. lmao, even
Ttar might be one of greatest pokemon ever created
It has weaknesses for weeks but thanks to its stats, those alone has kept Ttar relevant
i would say the same for weavile but game freak just had to make chien pao for no absolute reason
like i really want chien to get banned for the absolute sole reason of allowing weavile back into its rightful spot in ou
@_doot nah weavile’s sideways mohawk looking ass can go down to UU
@@largebigmacmealwithfanta weavile lost a few important moves anyway, sucks to see but it'll never be the same (though it's still good ig
@@largebigmacmealwithfanta and without Chien people would choose baxcalibur over weavile. Both the dragon and panther are just better .
@@largebigmacmealwithfanta Also who knows what would happen once Pokemon home and the DLC are released, Weavile might drop again.
It’s so odd to think that the pseudo legendaries we know today are just because they’re “in their prime” so to speak. In the future, Ttar and Hydry are just… averege. Makes me wonder what pokemon USED to be considered pseudos but have fallen to the wayside in modern day (misdreavus losing bst and then getting an evo that STILL doesn’t come close) and what pokemon have the potential to be considered a pseudo legend in the future, like the gardevoir/gallade line
Yeah but i doubt that the stats would go down.
all the BST 600 Pokemon are still pseudo legends. That's why Gardevoir will never be one
Imagine if Flutter Mane HAD a Mismagius styled evo. That thing would be stronger than Mewtwo.
It makes sense that, as humans advance, they put evolutionary pressure on dangerous mons and this helps the tamer ones . Then with a couple millenia of evolution, the old semi legendaries are now domesticated and the ancient threats have all been hunted to extinction.
Roaring moon lose 10 points but damn the stat distribution is done beautifully
I wish Paradox Pokemon had Hidden Ability, cause yeah Protosynthesis and Quark Drive are cool and all but some of these Pokemon should have alternate abilities to make them slightly better (or give atleast another option)
They dont need to be better
@@ieatwater6550 its not just about being better, its just that they blend too much having the same abilities. Same happened with the UBs. Plus, for some, the ability just doenst help much, doenst feel fair.
@@ieatwater6550 Some paradoxes are dogshit though, they could really use an alternate ability
@@walaceandrade4046 that is their point though, especially the future ones, and even without using their ability a lot of them are very strong, adding and ability would just break them
Tyranitar spent a few stints in UU during Gen 8, and the way the the meta is now with Tera Fightings, Annihilape, and no good Sand Rushers (i.e. Excadrill or Dracozolt), it’s looking like a wrap for Ttar this gen.
Edit: I think some things are going to happen to hurt Ttar’s viability further like Chi-Yu getting banned. Then, it will lose it’s niche of walling the dual STAB of that mon. If DLC/Pokemon Home brings Toxic back into Ttar’s moveset as well as decent Sand Rush Pokemon like Excadrill, Ttar’s viability might be saved. I have a feeling that the DLC is not going to come through for your boy, though.
Edit 2: I’m almost surprised that Ttar dropped before any Chi-Yu suspect test, but the writing was definitely on the wall. I don’t see Ttar coming back to OU unless Home/DLC brings Dracozolt or Excadrill back to the game.
:(
Still,we have houndstone as sand rusher but I think that Mon get banned
You do realize that dlc is a thing that exists, right?
@@ammarwa6712 It already is, Last Respect is not a balance move lmao
I've remember players even started a movement to save Ttar from dropping to UU, sadly it didn't work, and Ttar along with Skarm was dropped
Iron Thorns: Cold and hard, NOT suitable for a loving hug and embrace
Tyranitar: Warm and soft, IDEAL for hugging and telling it your deepest secret
Soft?
@@faastah619 did I stutter
Yea, soft?
He is a rock
Not only can Tyranitars be warm and comforting, they can also work as cooling devices, because they have vents from their Pupitar form that can act as air conditioning.
The only physical electric moves Iron Thorns has are Wild Charge, Thunder Punch and Thunder Fang (unless you want to Terra into a pure Electric type and use Terrablast). Wild Charge has 90 base power and 1/4th recoil, and the other 2 are under 80 base power. This also massively hurts Iron Thorns imo. Good physical Electric type moves are often limited to be signature moves for a certain evolution line. Double Shock for Pawmot, Plasma Fist for Zeroara, Fusion bolt for Zekrom, Kyurem-Black and Victini. Even Zing Zap with 80 base power and 30% chance to flinch is only learned by Pinchurchin and Togedemaru. It`s a shame the devs or who ever didn't give Iron Thorns something to match that in it's own signature move. The extra bit of speed it has over TTar might be interesting when Tapu Koko comes back and dominates the meta potentially depending on what happens with bans Smogon OU is going to implemend by then.
I’m glad you brought this up, gamefreak really needs to address the lack of love for physical electric attackers, luxray suffers from this horribly.
I’ve never really liked running Electric moves on Iron Thorns- minus Volt Switch on choice sets. It still has a massive Attack stat, so I’ve been dipping into it’s other coverage such as Low Kick and Pin Missile for other attacking options while leveraging it’s higher speed tier for dragon dancing.
to quote my friend: if you are Legend/Mythical/Pikaclone then you get interesting physical electric move. The rest use wild charge.
Yeah, that’s another glaring flaw
if wild charge became a flare blitz and we had koko, what switch ins would this pokemon have
Ttar is the best example of horrible typing godlike ability, move pool, and stat distribution
The Typing is simply of high risk, not necessarily bad and definitely not horrible.
Those 2 types are what make it good. First he can easily recieve 225 SpDef due to Sandstream+AssaultVest, and the dark type STAB is what makes him shutdown a lot of these scary psychic and ghost pokemon. Like Gengar (Who is second after Ttar on most time spent in OU), Alakazam, Latios, Latias, Creselia, Aeghislash, Calyrex-S, Darkwing-Necrozma-Lunala, etc.
@@nachomolaolivera7580 What about OU Zapdos? :o :o :o
@@DVDKC Ah yes, aparently Zapdos has spent 7 gens in OU as well. Thanks for the info.
@@nachomolaolivera75805 nights at OU
I hate how uncreative it was to put protosynthesis/quark drive on all the new forms
It makes sense but it just doesn’t work on so many mons. I don’t need +1 def on my scream tail, I need a defensive ability that actually helps me outside of raw stats, something like natural cure would have been nice to avoid getting crippled, I’m sure there are other examples for the other mons too.
Agreed I think they should’ve all had different HAs for alil more variety
Quark Drive can be pretty cool for mons with more balanced stats, like Flutter Mane. But Iron Thorns can really only get a boost for attack, becasue otherwise you'd have to give it a - Attack Nature to get the boost on anything else
@@sterling8389 it’s weird it’s connected to terrain and stuff considering we have like one Mon that’s sets each terrain and weather on switch-in and not even for all of them(no grassy terrain setter other than that Seed Sower Mon).
I usually just find that I would rather them just have their old ability because it makes them more unique.. would’ve honestly just rather Iron Thorns had sandstorm
@@Bugga-Ray-Dudley yeah I agree. Gives it more flexibility. Although honestly giving it sand steam alone won't actually improve its viability just becasue electric alone isn't a good defensive type.
0:55 I'd like to add the fact that while spdef was good for a while in the isle of armour meta, it was choice band tyranitar discovered rather late into gen8 which made it a beast. Nothing walled a tyranitar especially with assurance on teams with spikes or rocks.
RIP Pursuit, how could they have done this to my boy
Pursuit trapping T tar was meta defining... If they bring back pursuit then he'll shoot up, and RIP goldengo
Removing Pursuit was a mistake
@@jimothycool Especially for Gen 9 aha.
Sadly, I think Tyranitar is gonna drop to UU due to the fact that sand teams are practically unmakeable in SV. With the Houndstone ban, the only Sand Rush mon in the game is the firmly not OU caliber pokemon Lycanroc. It'll probably drop soon, and then we'll see if it can get back up to OU once Home releases and we get more mons back to both give Tar a partner like Excadrill back, and to possibly make a metagame with a high enough power level that Houndstone can come back.
I would agree with this
hopefully ttar can manage to stay OU for its own merits and not just to enable sand teams, stream is still a good ability on its own
TTar actually did drop from OU in Gen 8, for a few months. It barely hung on
If rain, snow, and sun become more popular than that also increases sand stream usefulness purely by denying opposing weather. Pokemon home will release a lot of new swift swimmers such as basculegion and slush rushers like arcozolt.
sand isn't like the other weathers and doesn't need abusers, tyranitar itself is the abuser for getting its spdef increased and every single one of its teammates is an abuser because the opponent is getting chipped for free
Tyranitar being pseudo legend with rock-dark absolutely bringing so many weaknesses, is pure poetry
Its pure monster. Sure, you can hit it, but it can hit you back, harder. Sure, you can critically strike it, but it wont go down, instead setting up for a sweep. Absolute ravenous beast
Body Press: exists
Tyranitar:
This is so sad
Tyranitar has been my favourite Pokemon for years, mainly due to its looks and viability. Anyone who respects T-tar is respected the same way by me.
The meta is a complete mess right now. The constant additions of new mons and removal of key moves like Hidden Power and Pursuit have only hurt each gen more. Tyranitar is on its last legs at this point. Iron Thorns really dropped the ball.
Tyranitar lasted generation after generation as an important Mon, which is impressive. Salamence fell down in tiers, as did metagross and Hydreigon, and yet it still stands. Power creep is catching up tho and bad
HP is a good removal for 2 reasons, its kinda BS that you get blank coverage and its a pain to get in-game so it makes sense, now Pursuit was unfair, it would be ok if it always did neutral damage, but as it standed psychic types were pointless and ghosts had an hard time
Gholdengo has blessed this video with his financial prowess.
It’s still super weird to me that IRON Thorns that has shiny steel plating is a rock/electric
all the future paradox forms have the suffix of IRON and have steel plating, yet arent steel type. Not just tyranitar
@@yeeyt464 except Iron Treads. Point taken but thorns is the one that sticks out most to me as odd
There was a brief moment during gen 8 where Tyranitar actually dropped to UU and the community shed its tears lmao but of course it made its way back up to OU within time.
Just found your channel today, and your content all seems pretty interesting and informative. Keep it up!
Iron Thorns and Iron Jugulis are 2 of my favorite future pokemon and I can't even use them much in competitive pokemon :(
You should try UU, I have been having a blast playing slither wing and bellybolt there
@@enn1924 UU has been my favorite format for a while now. There’s a bit more opportunity for unique team setups, and it has a few of my personal favorite Pokémon too.
When this man talks about Tyranitar, I stop what I’m doing and listen.
Seeing this video today after ttar recently got pushed to RU is quite comical
Iron Thorns, despite being not great compared to Tyranitar, is still not to be underestimated!
It has a few unique traits that can give it an edge. In a game where typing is it’s greatest weakness, and the main mechanic involves changing type, it’s a great candidate as a main Tera option as a late game Dragon Dance cleaner, hitting the same speed benchmarks that a Jolly Tyranitar would be able to hit at +1… WHILE RUNNING ADAMANT.
My favorite Dragon Dance Iron Thorns set uses Loaded Dice for Rock Blast, turning it into a 90% move with the same base power as Stone Edge or *greater*, and Tera Bug to resist Ground moves with Pin Missile for an additional STAB! I’ve also been experimenting putting the extra speed to use with a Scarf set that uses Volt Switch to pivot around!
Thats facts! hes tripping in my opinion. I was gonna run tera type ground on mine but bug might be good too! And I KNOW hes tripping because Pinchurchin is great mon with good attack and some pretty good defense too. With great support moves as well. Granted I play VGC.
Kinda specific or limited to use but thats a new take on the beast!
Jumpluff bullet seed carried me half the game better than grass cat lol
@@lunasam9 I love Jumpluff! I’ve been thinking of using SD infiltrator online thanks to it’s huge speed stat and sleep powder to bypass subs!
@@XtheGAMEmaster Yeah, it came to me as a wee little shiny hoppip at the start of the game, my actual head was looking the other way for a moment, when i looked back at the game, hoppip was flown next to me looking sincerely, so it joined me and carried me in various battles , even in the ghost gym
pincerchin is holding the entire future paradox gimmick on his... oh fuck he's dead
I found this channel this month, but the powercreep is strong and Cool is already my favorite competitive Pokémon channel available.
You're gonna need to find where the lid went because you're popping off hard bro!
Imagine Dark/Steel Iron Thorns with Shift-Gear
Love tyranniter, I'm glad it went back to ou
I think once tapu koko is released, it could pick up a bit in usage with like tera electric/flying/ground or something, otherwise its not really worth running given the amount of investment required also physical electric types have always had some sort of difficulty to be ran given the poor choice in stab moves other than those with decent signature moves like zeraora and dracozolt.
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Very well done video!
I’m not sure I think Iron Thorns is explicitly worse than Tyranitar, I think they occupy different roles. Defensively, Iron Thorns isn’t nearly as good as T-Tar, but what it DOES have, is great offensive potential. With Electric typing instead of Dark, you gain the ability to hit Water types for potent super effective damage from moves like stab Wild Charge. While Water types still threaten Iron Thorns outright, very few want to switch into its STAB moves, which could threaten a large amount of damage, if not a KO. It also gets access to Volt Switch, a pivoting move that Tyranitar doesn’t get either. While retaining a fantastic movepool that includes moves like Dragon Dance, Swords Dance, Taunt, Snarl and a bunch of other nifty moves, I think it sets itself apart from Tyranitar pretty well. It’s not a Pokémon you’d haphazard slap on a team like you could do with Tyranitar, but with some support, it definitely has its place in the meta. I think it’ll just take time for people to realize it.
Also it crucially has a much better speed tier than TTar specifically for dragon dancing. Though just like with Mega TTar, that is probably not enough to justify using it. TTar DDance sets are very gimmicky at this point because of all the relevant pokes that outspeed it and Thorns even after a boost.
Loving the channel!
I know it was just a little thing you said at the start but I think Chomp and Dnite contest Ttar for that spot as the GOAT of OU. Dnite getting multiscale pretty much permanently secured it a spot in OU as it’s combination of attack, bulk and recovery as well as Espeed access just makes it dangerous no matter what metagame it’s in. Chomp has just shown us he is immune to power creep and can’t get phased out no matter what, he started as a fast offensive SD sweeper with the yache and LO sets, had scarf and band as options early on, then as the offensive creep started to get to him game freak blessed him with Scale Shot and allowed him to continue as a sweeper while also giving rise to tankchomp. Currently, after taking Scale Shot away and giving him spikes in its place, tankchomp took over as one of the best leads on offense teams and still sees amazing usage as a rock setter and phaser with his max hp max speed double hazards set. While Ttar and Dragonite have remained good for a long time, Chomp has adapted to each and every metagame it’s been in and managed to be a consistent threat every single time with probably the most overall usage out of any OU mon bar Lando-T and maybe Heatran. I’d give the spot to Chomp but those two are def up there as well.
Fully agree - garchomp is the epitome of consistency
Actually Gengar is second to Ttar on most time spent on OU.
@@nachomolaolivera7580 are there stats on the usage rates? Of course a gen 1 and gen 2 mon would have most time in OU, I think usage over the years is more telling of who is the most dominant.
Who woulda guessed taking sand off of a mon defined by its sandstorm setting would not work out
Tyranitar dropped to UU early on Isle of armor, but rose some months after
Yo is that viper the rapper playing at the end? 🤣🤣🔥
Great vid!
Great content, and love the dry English humor
I remember getting a Larvitar all the way to Tyranitar in Pokémon HeartGold. It was literally unstoppable, so much so that it was there in my team just in case of emergency so as not to turn the game boring. Loved that mon ever since.
I loved seeing it in OU on literally every generation.
For me it was sad that i had to pass the game to get to mount Silver. I did get one eventually, but there was barely anything left to do when i got my Larvitar.
You might have forgotten but this is the same case for paradox hydreigon being inferior to its original not having access to any boosting moves that hydreigon has like nasty Plot, and being a directly inferior version of gmoltres in terms of being a setup sweeper, so it won't have even its current niche (if it has one) once home comes out.
Poor Ttrar dropped to UU now 😭
RU now
@@jamesgiles4517back to UU now
And well, that also holds true in VGC. It's a rock type who gets OHKOd by Torkoal's earth power and an electric type who can't do anything to dondozo or Gyarados. Is the only paradox form i consider worthless in VGC and you would never run it over Ttar, Robo Hariyama, Rotom wash or Pawmot.
Ttar is for sure UU this Gen. I tried using CB recently, and it just had no opportunity to switch in on almost anything. Chi-yu is close to 2 hit ko'ing a Ttar with rocks up, depending on investment. Which is one of the few mons that you'd like to think it could check do to the sand spdef boost. Literally any other type do to its ability nerfs its spdef, so you have to be really specific on what it is you want to check with your new type. Terra bug seems ok, as well as Terra fairy or steel weirdly enough. These options really are only meant to flip the script on a potential ttar check, eating up one of its many weaknesses and KO'ing a mon in return.
Is Tar worth it considering it's options? Clearly the usage implied it has a tiny niche over Garganacl. Being a 1-2 time check to some really big hitters like Chi-yu, Dragapult, Volc, Iron Moth, and other mons I'm sure you can do some calculations on is nice. While also carrying the coverage necessary to take advantage of its free turns to have your opponent think twice about where they should go next. But it's attachment to such a weakness ridden type is finally catching up to it, and I do believe it's fall is near.
Maybe mixed Tar will make a return, do to the fact that a free check comes on every team named Great tusk.
If it wasn’t a paradox pokemon I’d think it’d generate electric terrain
as I commented on another video, it's so sad how Game Freak handled the paradox pseudo legendaries
Tera flying does save iron thorns somewhat with baiting earth moves into a free dragon dance, with 2 dances up it can really kill alot of mons, but I also have seen some uu success with webs or tailwind into 4 attack thorns, as it hits super hard and stab stone edge booster energy is very nice, not god tier but its my fav paradox mon and it can work with proper teambuilding and play.
I feel like its merits dont make up for it going to usually fall flat on mons it would need to get past like ting-lu or gholdengo without eq and or setup. I dont think its useless but too many pokemon can kill it with eq or a ground of fighting move, both very common, before it has time to respond well. The speed support options are too gimmicky to be consistent and theres better slots for setup sweeper slot. But thats just my take on it
@@champeyan6371 actually if terad it can smash ting lu, it learns both fire and ice punch so your options arent too limited, so far when using theres 2 options I have tried with thorns, either booster psuedo choice attacker, or dragon dance setup. and it can answer some, not everything but it has its niche and using it in OU it has killed like 2-3 mons when set up properly. also it outspeeds and kills skeledirge which is neat. a very funny thing I have done repeatedly is lead it vs great tusk, tera flying and get 2 dragon dances off and kill like 3-4 mons before it dies.
Might be good with psychic terrain support
if excadril is added in a DLC or something i could see Ttar coming right back
Would it be better as a ground electroc type?
This aged unwell :
In gen 8 I used a mild 252 spatk 252spe holding assault vest. Tbolt, icebeam, flamethrower, and EQ. It destroyed predictable OU threats
what's the background music at the start of the video?
Hot take: Iron thorns is probably now officially better than T Tar.
I've been playing RU recently and I've gotten a lot of use out of my tera bug, loaded dice, pin missle dragon dance set.
You barely see anyone use T Tar in the tier and thorns is more common.
Ttar was the most used Pokémon in RU and it rose to UU again, so it is now higher tiered again and was better in RU than Iron Thorns. This is not to mention the fact that ttar gets knock off now but I know this comment was written before.
Iron Thorns was the 18th most used mon in ru while ttar was the most used
@@Saltyape0 really? I didn't see T Tar being used that often
@@jamesgiles4517 yeah look up the usage stats
@@Saltyape0 not now tho
The Viper outro is awesome
I love Tyranitar. Awesome video. Thanks!
so funny rhat whenever GF try to give Tyranitar an upgrade it's always just worse lol, same thing happened with mega ttar
It’s hard to give a Pokémon like that an upgrade, megachomp was ass too. The base forms are just too fire.
Ahhh, but then when it's their golden child (Charizard) they give him 3 forms and each one of them super OP
This is the first secomd of me seeing your channel, and i want you to know, before this discovery i named my fuecoco jimothy
The only use I’ve found for Iron Thorns is in an alt format, AAA. Dragonite with Aerialate Extreme Speed and Noivern with Aerialate Boomburst are two of the most powerful wallbreakers in the tier. Earth Eater Iron Thorns walls both easily and has the moves to take them out or Volt Switch to pivot out. It’s pretty fun to hard wall them both with such a niche option. Unfortunately even then it gets outclassed by Fur Coat/Ice Scales Corviknight in this regard
T.tar just need pursuit..... And it would be pretty good
Iron Thorns can be set up as a special wall that can safely switch in on Miraidon in Ubers and above. I think it has a place as a decently speedy tank/utility mon. At least, that's how I use it!
Unfortunately ground mons are monstrous in this Gen, meaning you are sometimes forced to terrastilize to save Iron Thorns
It really doesnt switch on miraidon lmao
@@ieatwater6550 It can eat three to four hits from Electro Drift before going down, IF you set your EVs to boost SpD with Quark drive. Yes it does! I literally did this last night lmao
I wish Thorns was a Special Attacker with access Nasty Plot or Calm Mind. That would've helped tremendously
Baxcalibur even took the "Godzilla lookalike" title from T-Tar. It has been a rough generation for stone rex.
I personally love thorns. I ran pincurchin with terrain booster and memento. This gives thorns a free turn to switch and set up with ddance which is scary. He needs support, but he goes crazy if he has it.
It has also been really decent in doubles, mostly due to sand synergy. It even is a World Champ.
Primal mystrivus is stronger than mismageus?
Any paradox Pokémon based off a peusdo legendary has lower bst
Isn't roaring moon still better that salamance in terms of offense, he doesn't outclass salamance thanks to him having intimidate
Never said it wasn’t the case just roaring moon has a bst of like 590ish while salamance being a pseudo legendary has a bst (base state total) of 600
@@alejandro_rodriguez_99 Roaring Moon has better Attack and Speed as well as better Special bulk thanks to higher Special Defense and HP. Its Physical bulk is a weak point though which is where Mence outshines Moon thanks to Intimidate (though they might otherwise be comparable due to Roaring Moon's higher base HP). Stat distribution matters as well as base stat total.
@@ShiningJudgment666 that is what I said oytside intimidate Roaring moon is better and with tera steel iron head it can counter fairies
It's mainly due to the only good physical electric move being wild charge.
Is that viper as your outro
Yep
I've been using blizzard iron thorns on snow teams to lure great tusk m, very fun pokemon both of them
I like the theory that iron thorns and iron juggulus are just mecha kaiju monsters from future movies
I like both, they look very silly with their little arms
Yoooo he hit the algorithm jackpot
I use them both in double battles and I love them.
By the time I started paying attention the competitive scene, it was Gen 5 and close combat was already run on every Pokémon so I never really saw Tyranitar as being that great. But this video shed some light on its legacy of dominance
It's amazing in Gen 5, one of the only things that actually answers Latios and Alakazam. Also really good anti Rain pokemon, Sand removes the enemies Rain synergy abilities and their Leftovers healing
Tyranitar has always been a "noob trap" in a sense. It a very good pokemon but its difficult to use properly. Its not a mon u bring into every set either. I remember i got a friend into competitive pokemon and he eagerly built a competitive team from some forum. He was so dissapointed when my Scizor one shot his Tyranitar he took it off his team and never used it again.
What about hydriegan's paradox ?
Tyranitar has dropped to UU before, in gen 8 I believe
How is metal delibird faster than Jolteon?
What if this future Tyrannitar is actually not a symbol for how the original stands the test of time? but an omen for how his future is bleak….
When you say Pincurchin is the only electric terrain setter, do you mean specifically in OU? Because Miraidon exists with Hadron Engine, but in Ubers specifically.
wtf is that song in the outro?
Loaded dice with bug terastalization on paradox tyranitar is really good tho
You would think it would become a dark electric type or a dark steel over keeping it rock since it lost its sand stream.
Iron Thorns looks like a budget version of the mecha Tyranitar from Pokestar Studios in Gen 5
good video underrated channel
Tyranitar is one of my favorite Pokémon and I really hope he can continue grabbing onto that OU spot. I’m not super confident he will with the way the meta is going, but the man’s been a meta staple since he’s existed and it’d be a shame to see his streak permanently axed.
I think it depends on how good Annihilape is. If it gets too much usage it makes the Tyrant hard to use. Of course you can always just terra away its typing...but i think there are better uses of your terra switch right now.
i didn't even concider that the 2 pseudo legies that turn paradox must have lower stats. where some have more than a 200 bst boost the highest bst paradox get is 590 and thats still lower despite being reserved for the 2 "pseudo paradox legies"
Was that viper at the ene
According to the forums, it's still OU though :thinking: and the only thing holding it back currently, is that pinurchin is a terrible electric setter. His damage is rather insane when terrain'd. If DLC introduces a new electric surge mon (or Koko comes back.) IT is going to be a monster.
I'm definitely sad Iron Thorns didn't get more of a bump to its stats since it lost so many points compared to Tyranitar.
I Remember when i found a shiny larvitar on mt silver on my silver version, trained and used to beat pokemon stadium 2, good times, along with lugia stil my favorite mon
Double weakness to ground is insane
The day t tar is in uu is a cold day in hell.
Let’s ignore that once time in gen 8 when he was put in UU for a bit
that was just a bad dream.
there was a brief time were ttar was in uubl in gen 7
godzilla and mecha godzilla: this dynamic looks familiar....