This is the first channel to mention what I have been intuitively been doing for years! I even installed eyes in the center of my cockpit and deck to run a cable that I can click into where even if the boat capsizes it will drag me back to the center of the boat when it rights.
I've seen that on a few boats. Good design. Thanks for watching. We cannot discount intuition. We always had sayings in firefights… one was listen to your intuition, the body tells you when you’re exposed. If it doesn’t feel right, most likely it isn’t!!!
First clip is such an important point. Many people don't realise that once you are overboard, you're staying in the water unless you have a team of people hauling you up. The drag of a fully clothed body in the water connected to a moving boat via a tether is huge. Tether lines and hook on points HAVE to be setup so you can't go overboard.
If you are attached by a tether, assuming someone actually notices you go over, an halyard can be used to pull you out of the water by hooking it around the tether and winching it up. One person can haul someone up that way. Not terribly comfortable, but doable. The key here is someone has to get to you before you drown so rules like never leave the cockpit if you are alone on deck are important.
The irony of the price of a safety tether is being made while wearing what appears to be an expensive Spinlock 170N Lifejacket. Good job pointing out the illusion of safety vs the reality of safety. An additional comment- perhaps a future video discussing the value of hard points for securing in the cockpit.
Why everybody assume the tethers they made are not sturdy, people using bosom chair are usually supported by a line that could support 10 people. (they have design degrees, which a part covers engineering.)
@@chhindz Respectfully, your question embodies the reason to call out the issue, many others will not recognize the risk with saving a few dollars. IMHO, the point made in the video is about the safety standards that modern tether's and Carabiner's are built to. These standards I understand were first matured in mountain climbing and rescue services based on real safety hardware failures. Within the last few years, the sailing community has lost skilled people because of Carabiner flaws (well documented cases). Sailing is expensive and sailors are creative and share saving money ideas. I would respectfully suggest looking online for some of the tether safety issues both in sailing and mountain climbing (they are pedantic about equipment safety 🙂). If your really interested in this topic and many others, take the Safety at Sea class.
After learning about the tragic deaths of two Sydney to Hobart ocean racers, the issue of safety again rises. Everything that can be done to improve safety while sailing is Important. On another vessel racing, the skipper was washed overboard and had to release his tether, luckily he had Lifejacket, PLB and AIS transmitter and flashlight in his Jacket and was retrieved within an hour by his own boat and crew. This was only possible due to strictly applying Safety Rules on these vessels. These factors saved this man's life. Your videos highlighting Safety at Sea should be a lesson to all. Keep em coming please
Thanks so much. Yes the Hobart Race, both tragic and yet the MOB did everything as trained at safety at sea. What funny , UM A was at a safety at sea I was presenting. Now am a moderator for US Sailing for Safety at Sea. Hopefully, people can start to identify areas where loads can e dangerous, helmets will work. I carry them.
@@rickpyne there was a MOB at night in december during the Atlantic rally for cruisers. They said He had a lifejacket and AIS transmitter but they never found him, even with 3 boats doing search patterns for 24 hours.
Just found your channel. You are 1000% right. I'm not new to boating, I started sailing in 1967, that's right, just after Columbus. Have had dingy class boats as well as a 40' sailboat. Raced a Lighting bit and cruised a lot. East coast from MD to both coasts of Florida, with three years on Lake Erie, and that can be a learning curve all its own. I just this week commented on a guy that did the Loop. This guy was so far out on boat control and safety it is a miracle that he survived least of all made it all the way around. He admits he is clumsy and prone to mishaps in several of his videos. In his last video on his last leg to cross his wake he was in the ICW near Fort Pierce FL. He proceeds to let his auto pilot not only steer the boat but plot the course for the next way point of 50 miles. Yes, it was calm, yes it was a clear day, yes there were no boats close. So, this guy decides he is hungry, leaves the fly bridge helm and goes below for about five or more minutes to make himself a sandwich. First mistake is you cannot just let Garmin or Raymarine set the course like we do in a car. Well, you can but that is just plain stupid. Especially in an area that just went through two very bad hurricanes in the last five months. Channels silt in, day marks are not accurate in some places, the USCG can only do so much in that short period, and we sometime see buoys or nuns remarking the channel for six or seven months up to a year. The autopilot is not that up to date. Second is this is not open ocean, so single handing means you stay close to the helm, not below decks looking through the fridge to see what there is to eat. When I commented on his channel his answer was “he’s a bit unique”. And we wonder why insurance rates are high. The USCG earns every penny looking out for clowns like this.
I used to sail on a destroyer back in the 70's, I quickly learned that you can't cut corners when it come to safety at sea. We need to always be at the ready and to be ready, we HAD to practice, practice and practice with many scenarios in order to cover all if not most unexpected occurrences in an emergency.
Really good critiques. Especially on the confirmation bias. I wouldn't make my own seat belt when driving, compromising safety for convenience or to save a few pennies just to potentially lose my life. Like you said, works for me..until it doesn't.
I've never agreed with having the jack-lines down each side of the boat, mine run inboard as far inboard as I can comfortably reach them. Hopefully if I need them my short tether stops me from going over the side. I don't think at my age I can get myself back onboard if I go over the side. As we go forward the boat is narrower therefor more dangerous. Be aware. Stay safe.
I forgot to lock my carabiner one time climbing my mast, and the rope did exactly what the climbing "picture in picture" video showed. Thankfully I had a second safety line with prussik that caught me. Learned a huge lesson about double checking my carabiner locks.
I’ll give you a lesson about a Prussik , that is the knot that’s pol think is fail proof . And used in many different applications. It’s also the knot that’s almost killed me . Stop using it . Use a mechanical safety device instead . I survived an 11 floor fall . I would and will never allow any one to use one around me again . Rock climbing / rope access or climbing a mast . I cringe everytime I see one used in any type of fall safety .
Sailing Uma sailed for their first few seasons without any substantial safety equipment. One notable absence were safety lines. I shuddered everytime they set sail. Later they became ambassadors for several brands and spruiked the virtues of the sponsored equipment. Lot of gullible people out there who are taken in by the 'go now, go fund me and/or Patron will pay' philosophy. Never more so than the deception of electric motors on blue water voyages. I have been on the water for 6 decades both as a professional mariner and an offshore sailor. Been involved with many rescues, unfortunately several that resulted in the loss of life. These days we choose to cruise in SE Asian waters, but maintain our safety to YYA Cat1 offshore standards. Just this week a crew member during the Sydney to Hobart race was washed overboard. He described his good luck that the yacht could see the flashlight he carried. His PLB had been activated, but didn't provide a precise location. His didn't have a personal AIS, which is an item I thought would have been mandatory for this event.
It is great that a sailor such as yourself is commenting and adding to this conversation. The flash light is a lessons learned from a Chicago Mackinaw race lessons learned and it is highlighted in the safety at sea training. It’s important to Train all aspects of rescue, including what to do when you are a person who is overboard. As for the difference between PLBs and AIS/PLBs, I think you will see a change in the very near future as they are now available more and more. This year, we have three success stories on rescues. Two had AIS. Never the less, the PLB worked for the S2H. Now we need to discuss helmets as we lost two others in the race, sadly! We need to emphasize proper preventers and the conditions when they are needed. In episode 109, we discuss helmets. th-cam.com/video/V5WJEhkBUc0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8Jc0QfpblLn3v7Cu
I am hours from 65yo found your info on spot. We called a carabiner a deadly D in my day in climbing. I have been shown as in the demo of how in a fall you line could go into the gate and let you fall faster then a O shit! That would be the last legible words you spoke. Thanks for the info refresh. The jack lines " Wow " that was an eye opener. I sail in small lakes in Colorado and can swim to shore but would rather stay with the boat. As for getting back in the boat man, solo is hard with 2ft free board.
I agree, you hear this " conformation bias" all the time ! Just use duct tape, it will get you there. We all need to educate ourselves on whats work best and is safest , listen to the professionals. Thank you for calling this out
I love duct tape and a lot of the time it will get you there. The thing you need to do though is once "there" you need to rip the duct tape off and fix it properly.
An additional point because many here are likely boat owners, Safety equipment on our boats is not just a choice we make for ourselves, it's a choice we make for our crew and likely family. I recently read that quality safety equipment will last 10 years and budget equipment will last a lifetime.
A tether is a last chance, life safety device. In my opinion, $170 seems like a reasonable amount to spend to ensure I don’t end up dead. On our boat, life safety isn’t where we look to cut costs.
Glad I watched this, I have been with many professional skippers and even their safety appetite working within the same framework can be different. Its good to know what best practice is so you can manage your own personal safety
I got hit by the full force of a wave going over the deck. The pain of my harness holding me onto the deck was about all I could stand. Thank goodness it didn't last long. Uma was the worst. Rock climbing I hooked my carabeener sling wrong and it came loose. It is easy to clip in wrong and when it comes loose it is very scary.
As a pole climbing instructor a single action carabiner can get you into a l9t of trouble. In the ‘70 and ‘80 we were taught to clip on with a single action carabiner.. I clipped onto my screwdriver and leaned back just to watch the screwdriver go flying! Double action saves the day!
If you wear a harness that doesn’t have robust leg straps, you can either fall out of it, or worse, it can hike up around your diaphragm causing suffocation. Test your harness by having a crew-mate haul you an inch off the deck with the main halyard. That’s just a 1 G load. If you can’t breathe it will be worse in an actual emergency. Now test the release to make sure it works under load.
Excellent piece! At last! Did you notice on the third item how he mentioned cost? My bet is that it was also too expensive to do a safety course/a sailing course above competent crew level, and so it goes on, but notice his sunglasses? I’ll bet no expense spared then! Great tips all round, more newbies should watch this before the other three in this episode! 👏🏼👏🏼
The shock indicator aspect of tethers is for falls. These tethers are designed so that 1. They'll absorb the shock if you fall from a height and 2. To let you know that safety function has been used up. Most of us use tethers to keep us on the deck from falling over the side and loosing contact with the boat. My jacklines run from the top back of my bimini, and at the front of it they run to the inner stay and from there down to the cutter stay point on the deck. This keeps them up high where I find them to be more useful. The previous owner was a firefighter and had them set up this way. I really like them, think they're safer and more useful... but ... I might be missing something really important. I've met a few other intelligent, safety conscious sailors who've set up similar high jacklines. They might someday become approved and recommended. To stay on board I've also DIY'd a shorter tether. It's about 4' long with a loops at both ends, but at the working end after the webbing doubles back to form that loop, I have a second loop (just a gap in the stitching) where I have a second carabiner. Three carabiners, all locking. The one attached to my PFD is always screwed shut. (The clip of the climbing poteial danger is important to understand.) With this double ended tether I can transfer around the jackline attachment at the stay without ever being unclipped. It is made specifically for my boat and my jacklines. On a smaller boat with jacklines down on the deck they could be a hazard or constraining. The entire idea is: if I loose my balance, I won't go overboard. There's not enough length. It's not regulation, might be disallowed on other boats....Would be disallowed on a commercial vessel. It has only the shock absorption of the webbing, so it'd be a bad idea to use it while up high. I've also got the standard approved double tether for everything else. Dan on sailing Uma should've mentioned all of this and used locking carabiners. And don't forget the wire gate locking clips on fully approved tethers, that are still widely available and not at all safe because a cross load bend can bend and open the gate. Dan's carabiner is a wire gate . It's rating will probably say 24kN and 8kN along the length and across the width. Locking carabiners will say the same thing, I've got one here that says 28kN/9kN but it's got a soild gate and a screw locking closure. The rating is very similar but the solid locking gate if cross loaded, won't bend open; which can happen if you attach to something rigid, like a stanchion or a stay. Google 'safety tether locking clips' and select images. You can easily find the locking clips with the unsafe wire gates. The antidote to confirmation bias is being aware of as many potential risks as possible and mitigating them as best as possible, and always seeking more information. We go on boats out to sea which is inherently dangerous, it would be safer not to. We've chosen to take the risk. The best sailors have a growth mindset, always open to criticism, new and better ideas. I've spent a lot of money and time on safety great I will never use, no problem at all. I love being the guy who when a flashlight is needed always has one. On board I always have a rigging knife with a marlin spike. I have always been the first to put on a PFD and the last to take it off. In my harbor I am always the only person on a 45' sailboat wearing a PFD as I step out on deck to stow the fenders. Yet when someone has to go up the mast on any boat I've ever been on and everyone else is pretending they're not actually present -- I'll do it.
Thanks so much for writing this and taking the time I appreciate your aspects of safety and yes going on top of a bit and he is great. I’ve seen it use many times and they are very useful.. one of my problems is most of the boats I race. I don’t have family whatsoever.
So many excellent points on this video. If people need clarification on tethers they should follow the story of the MOB in this years Hobart race. Swept overboard by a wave he had to unclip himself or drown as he was dragged alongside whilst the boat was crash gybing. Thankfully due to proper equipment and the skill of the crew he was rescued after 45 minutes in the water in pitch dark. 40 years ago I made my own tethers using 3 strand rope and my very best splicing skills I learnt from reading a book. I used carbines like Uma and I hard whipped the ends to my chest harness in my jacket. In the tropics it was too hot to wear our jackets so we didn’t wear our harness either…. I’m so glad I’m much better educated today, it gives me the shivers. The jacket I use now carries a plb3 plus 2 tethers and I have the firing chest harness as I know I don’t have the strength to unclip from the chest if I needed too.
i think too many people dont grasp that these are not dangers you get do over or a story later out of, these are tread water till you die or float till you freeze mistakes almost always
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As a Swedish sailor...i agree,, !! 67 Years old and has saild my hole life... The internet is full off young "wanabees" who hasen`t been in a real dangerous situation ! Thy all just to make money from TH-cam..... Thank You...for Your Video !!!!
Am not a fan of jack lines i have always used hard points with 150mm plates underneath, 2 tethers and just go from one point to the next . It is a pain but no second chances single handed and always have a preventer on the main ideally 2 one for each side
Well said, and great video. I used to watch some of these channels, until I stated noticing inconsistencies. Though I’m not a sailor with several thousands of miles under my belt, I listen and research everything. There’s no way I can make my own theaters or jacklines without some safety group certification, just to save money. I’ve made a career in aviation wheather I”m flying or working on an airplane, I’ve always used the correct tool for the job. Because of this, I have stopped watching some of those TH-camrs for the misinformation they provide. I myself have setup a short jackline with rings bolted to the deck, and just behind the wheel, so the helmsman can clip in. On the sides and/or stern, you won’t stay in the boat.
Regarding Sailing Uma, keep in mind they sailed their boat with obvious wrinkles for many blue water miles. I just couldn’t go for a week cruise in sheltered waters with that obvious issue. As for making your own tethers, how much are you saving over the life of the tether? Makes me wonder how old their climbing gear is. And I will NEVER get why one would skip a locking gate. And dang sure not the device he chose. I would assume that my tether will be loaded in less than ideal manner. And the wire gate carabiner is notorious for failure when loaded wrong.
Being fearless has nothing to do with controlling risk… we had a saying about guys who spent 20 years protecting the president. “How do you know that no one ever tried anything on his shift? Some times dumb luck works…. But you can’t plan on it.
Great call out, you've got a new sub! My 2 cents, as a lifelong solo multi-hull sailor and FG Master; 'Tubers educate themselves via other 'tubers videos, who have the similar back story. Bad practise's gets passed down and eaten up by the jar heads until it is lore, and it seems that some just go ahead and change the standards to suit themselves, and, as you say, it becomes dangerous CB. Severely lacking with these insta-sailors (from my limited viewing) is even a hint of good old fashioned seamanship. Met, offshore nav, oceanography, heavy-wx tactics, engineering...nothing.
I am a catamaran sailor and there are many very popular you tube channels sailing multihulls and with kids. The cruising catamaran offers the feeling of higher safety due to the wide beam large cockpits and non healing characteristics. However I think there is a large amount of false safety feeling. In particular with some with kids. It would be interesting to see a safety survey of a larger crushing catamaran and maybe some comments about safety with kids at sea.
Nice presentation. Informative and to the point. I'm not going to watch any of those channels, but all 3 are encouraging some form of safety which is good. It's better than NO safety, which im sure you know is more prevalent. I also guarantee that comments in their videos have pointed out all of their mistakes. Now it's up to them whether they heed the warnings. Bottom line is people do what they want and then justify their own actions. Mistakes are made usually from ignorance, arrogance, inexperience, over confidence, lack of consequence, and most importantly, laziness. My personal creed is "I rarely see the LIGHT....but I always feel the HEAT!" Now that i'm older... i just don't like getting burned as much... ha ha.
Safety is no accident period. Just like in aviation, you just cannot pull up to the nearest cloud nor can you just walk to land from a sinking boat in the middle of the ocean. Never scrimp on quality or go for the cheaper item and preventative maintenance is worth every single penny spent. People think that they can get by with a bit lower quality but when you are 1000nm from land, failure is not an option.
I believe there is a balance to be decided on between the danger of opening a tethers gate from fowl lines or conflicting with saftey lines with the other choice of the the ability to be able to change one anchor point to another very quickly and one handed in, for example, a big roll. With my antedotal confirmation bias in full swing, as a solo sailor, I have used both, and yes whilst in the cockpit or at the mast the locked gate is both secure and heartening, but when you have to get back off deck in a hurry, perhaps having to unclip and reclip to bypass a fouled sheet or trying to get back to the tiller to prevent that uncontrolled jybe as a wave has overpowered your rudder, then the large single gate is better because an untethered gate in your hand (because you took so long to swap points) is useless if you get hit then. I think it is also a factor in seeing so many sailors (with apropriate gear on) moving from station to station without actually tethering till they get somewhere.
Totally understand, I equate this fine motors movement white exchanging clips at night with a handgun in a fire fight. Yes, extreme, but the most elite can do it by feel. It becomes muscle memory. Trining training training. When you do it 10000 times, you no longer think about it and it’s like tying a shoe lace. Just sit watching TV at night and do it. It becomes second nature. Is it extreme, yes…. But it works.
There is a very good reason why these TH-cam sailors are going to hate industry professionals fighting back on best practices….they have movies that make them money and reputations at stake. Undeserved I might add.
Uma also posts a great deal and frequently say ‘this is what we do for us’ on all sorts so while I disagree with various things they do their questioning of the typical practices is a breath of fresh air occasionally. I have more years of sailing experience than their combined ages let alone years of sailing experience but they are a huge inspiration to many people of a different era and we should take note of their can do attitude and not take snippets out of context as a description of their safety policy. Cheers Warren
@ I think they do great for sailing, but when the comments on their page reinforce people making their own tethers, without explaining the pitfalls, may lead people astray. The first party of controlling risk, is awareness. Hopefully these help those new to sailing.
@@ministryofsailing I think they do plenty of disclaimers and they never say you should do it this way , at least they have a harness many people don’t even have a harness or ever wear life jackets
Thanks a lot for finding these pearls. I had seen the first one. It bugged me so much that I dug further and found the next step of folly: YT videos demonstrating self rescue man overboard. So, that is what tethers are for: reassuring you that you'll be able to climb back onboard, on your own, maybe at night, in a storm, reaching at 10kts, with a dislocated shoulder from the fall, and a dry suit filled with 20 gallons of frigid water. Priceless! Now, that last guy should be more thorough and consistent in his assessment. I am sure that in years of sailing he never fell overboard, so if he values his own experience so much, he should ditch the tether altogether. Much cheaper and more convenient than home-made slings with open gate non-locking carabiners. Or maybe he'd realize the idiocy and and reconsider his options from the start.
One other issue with Uma is the lack of crotch straps with their life-jackets. They did a big piece on the Team-O back tow system and how much safer it can be and then removed their crotch straps in all subsequent videos rendering the life jacket a fashion accessory rather than a safety device. Also how do North Americans distinguish between a worn device that will rotate an unconscious casualty to keep their head out of the water and one that will not? In Uk the former is a life-jacket and the latter is a buoyancy aid but I hear both referred to as Personal Flotation Devices (PFDs)
Team O is a great concept, but you need the ability to stay on the boat… the recent Hobart incident really emphasized that too. It was more of an entanglement than a MOB.
General class categories will provide a guideline for which PFDs (which is any device that is used for personal floatation, including rings). To help keep it straight, all life jackets are PFDs, but not all PFDs are life jackets ;) - Class/Type I - Will turn _MOST_ users face up and used in all sea conditions generally used where rescue is likely to be delayed - Class/Type II - Will turn _MOST_ users face up and used in all sea conditions, but will/may require trading water in rougher seas, generally used in near-shore sailing/where rescue is likely - Class/Type III - Will _NOT_ turn users face up (same buoyancy as Type II), generally used in near-shore sailing/where rescue is likely - Class/Type IV - "Throwables" (rings/horseshoe/etc...) - use/buoyancy varies by type, generally used as backup/secondary device - Class/Type V - "Special" - use/buoyancy varies by type (edit:) This is with the caveat that the device is still usable (serviceable), fitted and worn/used correctly, and barring any unusual factors. If you are on the water regularly, get used to wearing/working in the gear, if you're just "out for the day", listen to the instructions of the captain/crew when they do their safety brief. If they don't do a safety brief, start second guessing the decision to sail with them lol
@@ministryofsailing It's really disgusting. You quickly go on to say that they are not, in fact, trying to kill you. So your title is misleading and histrionic, which decreases the viewer's trust in you. Way to build a channel.
To be honest, I would rather use 2 tethers in tandem during really rough seas. My experience as a lineman tells me it’s better to always have 1 tether connected while moving around. Eventually you’ll have to clip on to something other than the jack line
This is basically why I hate most sailing channels. A bunch of TH-camrs acting like experts; As if having the capacity to upload a video somehow endows you with profane knowledge of whatever topic. Why it angers me so is that most of them started their channel because they wanted to be "TH-camrs" and not because they were skilled, passionate people in their field. Oh, look. Some tards made a sailing channel. We don't know how to sail but we can upload videos too. Let's upload videos and beg for likes, subscribes and Patreon. The biggest channels don't even resemble the lifestyle that I've known most of my life.
Thanks for the comment I can feel your passion because that’s one of the reasons we started this channel after seeing so many people commenting on ideas that are actually dangerous.. an episode 101 we were not necessarily gonna be doing this type of channel but so many people like the information we interpreted as there was a gap for safety information on SAILING and that’s how we started. It’s been less than a year we’re hoping that we can continue to fill the gap on sailing safely, pointing people to the standards that are out there.
Please do continue. As long as it's all based on international agreed safety measures and not some random wanker just following their favourite "vlog"; Not only is there a need for it but it is genuinely good content. I am passionate, I have been sailing and coastal navigating since my parents bought a yacht and went cruising when I was seven. Aged forty-nine now, I still live on a yacht and am racing in two hours!
If you wear a harness that doesn’t have robust leg straps, you can either fall out of it m, or worse, it can hike up around your diaphragm causing suffocation. You can challenge the confirmation bias about the lack of a manual life-raft release with this question: “If the boat is en engulfed in flames, do we need to wait for it to sink?”
Years ago on a life insurance application form I came across a question "Do you engage in dangerous sports Y/N ?" I did ski and sail But I answered NO because I didn't think they were dangerous.
There is a difference sports is paid entertainment , ski and sailing is is a way of transportation , , good you ticked NO because who is YOU , , , INSURANCE IS A SCAM , SHOULD LEARN CESTEI QUI VEI , BLACK LAW DICTIONARY FOR WORDS ,
Jerome also uses no harness when climbing the mast out in the wild blue sea. I wouldn't follow those practices, and he doesn't want us to either. He has talked about it a lot. He does what works for him. Maybe he'll pay someday, but he has some achievements to stand . He's a bit of a hero to me.
Great comments, shocked by #3! Should a Lifebuoy be connected to a rope, so that the sailor onboard can pull it back to the boat, if the person overboard fails to grab it or simply assist the person approach the boat if he/she is unable to swim please?
4:01 the Offshore special regulations recommend that a line be ready to throw, it’s a throw rope that comes in a bag always attach to the stern of vessel for when a person can’t swim. When a person is totally incapacitated and can’t get to the boat there is a course called the Sailing Rescue swimmerthat’s usually for advanced SAILING and Boats that have high free boards like me Yachts. But I recommend taking the Safety At sea course because you’re gonna learn everything you’ll need to know on that and you could take it online and then do the practical later when it comes near you.
@@ministryofsailing Is the throw line attached to the lifebuoy or is it kept separately in the bag? I have a RIB speed boat license from a Mediterranean country. On RIBs we are obliged to keep a 15m line attached to the lifebuoy for the purposes I described earlier. I had to use it once while recovering a lady who fell off a cliff while fishing. We actually threw 2 lifebuoys attached to lines back to the boat and she grabbed the one closer to her. I tried to keep a safe distance from the rocks due to sea conditions. She was a quite stronger swimmer, but there was no way she could climb up the cliffs as the sea as a bit rough (5-6 Beaufort scale)
Nicely done. I have a buddy with a heart condition and high blood pressure who spends part of each day scouring the search engines for reasons not to use Statins. He saves them in a file, then passes them to his cardiologist who has given up engaging on the topic.
I actually enjoy watching Uma at the moment but I must admit to cringing at a lot of what they have to say. They have however managed to get a broken old 36' a fair distance around the world including about as far North as you can go without any major mishaps. You could call it luck I guess, but I believe you make your own luck generally. I like the way you differentiate between feeling safe and being safe. The issue with feeling safe is that you can be tempted to take an extra risk, or push the boundary just a little bit further thinking that if you overstep it then your safety stuff will save you. If you haven't gone to the length of actually being safe though then you can very quickly end up in a world of hurt.
I also think that people forget they had for the longest time did it in a tight budget . There have been many channels that have come and gone that are way worse then them or many others.
A non-locking carabiner is extremely dangerous. Those carabiners open all the time when you don't expect them to. You don't have to catch it on something. The tether alone can catch it open it. I'll look for the video of how this happens and edit with a link if I find it.
Yep the feeling safe kills A day or so ago a 2 experienced sailors died when they got hit by the boom during the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race I suspect they were above the boom line (on the roof or something) when the boat unexpectadly gybed in the rough conditions I know it is so easy to think one will quickly do something and you will be fine - and then things go wrong
I agree with your points but pretty much every climber in the world uses single gate non locking carabiners for climbing. The climbing video you show is demonstrating the correct way to orientate the carabiner when climbing, not that single gate carabiners are unsafe. However as a mechanism for clipping into a tether I agree something more solid is better.
@ministryofsailing At present, nothing significant to report. I am approximately six months away from having the funds to purchase an offshore sailboat. Once acquired, I plan to strip her down, thoroughly inspect her, repair whatever needs fixing, and set sail for West Africa, South America, and Europe. My objective is to explore and experience the challenges faced by Portuguese and Spanish explorers. P.S. I have been in the United States since September 1989, dedicating my time to studying and immersing myself in the lives of the noble individuals who founded and enlightened this great nation.
Just a question; did you reach out to these sailing channels for comments or dialogue? If not, why? I do not disagree in any way, shape or form with what you are saying, i'm a sailor myself, just curious :)
I asked a guy that was doing the around the world alone race what they do if they go overboard on the tether . He said die . You can not pull yourself back up . Might be OK if there is crew to pull you in . Jack lines are always best inboard if you can .
Yes I know of two such cases, one was towed for hours until wind dropped, the other sailed up onto reef, lost his yacht, saved his life. When I crossed an ocean by myself I used a very short tether and I towed a small float on a line that was attached to self steering so when pulled hard, it turned the yacht. Gives you a better chance than accepting you'd be dead.
@ministryofsailing you won me over at the end. Insanity using a single gated none locking carabiner. One of the biggest failures and what people hate the most! To be inconvenienced. The short cuts in life are usually the longest most dangerous 😳
Please look at Sailing Doodles who just lost their new "Electric" boat that failed because the CANBUS that controlled the motors could not get wet...on a boat! He thinks that if the CANBUS failed on a diesel powered boat it would kill the engine. But the engine is NOT controlled by the CANBUS on a modern diesel truck or boat. The engine is controlled by an ECM that is housed in a waterproof container. So YES a diesel can run while the engine compartment is flooded but clearly poorly conceived electric boat motors cannot.
I saw that. Rewatch his explanation and listen carefully to the depth of water that they were in when they anchored compared to how much scope they had out I think this will be very tell-tale for everybody. Despite the issues, a proper hookup may have saved the boat.
PS 100% agreement from me by the way, all good examples.Something Similar we went through with Ovid too, and People wearing what were really badly substandard Dust Masks with those hinese made blue ones even failing inspections in Canada, so those same Masks got sent to California, where they were accepted ? WTF ?Plus nobody was told that Masks should not be worn for longer than 15 minutes, or they then turn really nasty, on breathing in, up goes the iris loading and on breathing out, you are spraying out viruses into your immediate vicinity? I mentioned before that I used to have a Builders Merchants, and seeing people using Disk Cutters cutting Concrete etc without a Dust Mask, I looked into the best quality Dust Masks, and found the most recommended ones were made by 3M ? But not cheap.So I negotiated a great Discount by bulk purchasing them then could sell them at a very reasonable price, and due to frequently visiting building Sites, Kept some in the Car,and seeing anyone doing something silly in a very dusty environment, was able to pass out a couple of free samples for people to try, as they are very comfortable to wear and give great protection - much better than those stupid blue masks people were wearing, which just increased their risk of catching Covid. Tethers ? I personally prefer double tethers, so you clip on with the spare, before detaching the first as you move forward , and pad eyes in the cockpit, starting with easy reach ones from the companionway before entering the cockpit. Stick to doing it right, and an aft cockpit can be more secure than what can e the false security of a Centre Cockpit, which for disabled me, is actually far more dangerous to get in and out of, than an aft cockpit, plus the usual long steep companionway steps with most centre Cockpits can be a real Hazard, plus most seem to be like a damned Sauna in the Tropics below deck. The Hunter ones, to me, seem to be the most liveable with tbh. I’m a bit of a Seago Fan for self inflating Life jackets though they do seriously under market their products.I like things like the availability of reasonable cost Servicing kits, so when coming up for expiry, and need of servicing, then use them for testing so people know what to expect when they end up in the Water, and they self inflate ? Then since them in fresh water, dry them, inspect the stitching etc, then replace with the servicing kit and change to the new expiration date a useful bit of fun to add to the Cockpit BBQ on a nice day, anchored in a nice Bay, plus can maybe coordinate with a few flares demonstrations as well ? 🤔 Bob. 👍🌟🌟🌟⛵️
Nice video! You might want to do a "sailing manufactures that try to kill you" episode:)) Some notes: In the climbing and rope acces world due to the rather deadly aspect of falling, there is a very hard line between specifications, individual testing and certification of products for life support as harnesses, carabiners and tethers and those for hauling gear etc. In the world of sailing this aspect is not there yet. Even mast clinbing gear is not certified! nor are tethers. rather worrisome. regarding the Sailing Uma video, in my opinion it is too general to say that making your own tethers is wrong. Yes the way he makes it is wrong for sure. But there are better and more easy ways. Just 3 meter of 10mm of climbing rope, and 2or 3 locking carabiners. Want to use the carabiner on you rvest, Tie an overhand knot with a small loop where you put the carabiner in. then dress the knot snug to the carabiner. want to tie in directly on harness ring, Pull the rope for aprox 1/3 through the ty-in ring of your vest and with both ends made an overhand knot snug and tight behind it. Attach at each end a carabiner with a double barral knot with 10cm sticking out of the knot. Ready. fast easy and secure. I use a variable length tether, so at every location on the boat i have the right length not to drop off on the tether.
@@ministryofsailing Seen recent accidents helmets for any race would make a difference. And still even for life vests, try on a tree or garage to hang in it for just 3 minutes! And one knows al sailing certifications, desigs etc, fall short and they are not suitable or safe for that. Strange as hanging in it is big part of rescue or being rescued. Well lots of video's (for you:)) stil to be made for more awareness and safer sailing!
Surprising amount hate and trolling you got for this. I do watch sailing Uma and when I saw the thing about the tethers that gave me pause. I do sail, although not a lot of offshore, and I can tell you when I got a tether I was perfectly happy to get one from West Marine. I think all your points make a lot of sense. Rigging a jack line so close to the edge of the boat makes no sense and testing as you know has shown that being dragged is very difficult to recover from and kills people. I haven't looked yet but have you done a video on where you think jack lines should be rigged to prevent going overboard.
People hate me? Yep. Everybody always hates the Safety guy, but if you look at the 96% thumbs up rate, I think that’s pretty good . Check out the night sailing one and two videos.
I saw the Uma episode and lost some respect for them on that one. The ‘79 Fastnet had numerous examples of single carbine hooks straightening or opening when clipped to a U bolt.
Even safety gate clips have their limits* but sooo much higher than a basic carabiner. MAIB report from a while back MAIB safety bulletin SB1-2018: CV30
@ Well… I am always singlehanded so that brings its own level of inherent unsafeness. Then there is the fact that my boat was built by an idiot (well me), however it would be interesting to hear your opinion. I mean despite my haphazard approach to life in general, I would rather not win a Darwin Award! The problem with singlehandedly doing stuff, is that there is no sounding board, but at least crew management is easier.
I'm not a big fan of aluminum 2x action clips. If I was a full-time cruiser, free of racing rules, I'd take that steel Whichard clip with the heavy duty spring any day. I'd also consider making my own overbuilt tether instead of trusting some factory in China to actually adhere to ISO1234567 standards. But, as you know, the most important safety device is the tool between your ears, and having a reason for your actions.
Hello from NH. Chasing Latitudes, mentioned you recently so I wanted to visit. Thank you for the content of this video! You’re saving lives with it.
Thanks so much… appreciate your support. Sail safe.
This is the first channel to mention what I have been intuitively been doing for years! I even installed eyes in the center of my cockpit and deck to run a cable that I can click into where even if the boat capsizes it will drag me back to the center of the boat when it rights.
I've seen that on a few boats. Good design. Thanks for watching. We cannot discount intuition. We always had sayings in firefights… one was listen to your intuition, the body tells you when you’re exposed. If it doesn’t feel right, most likely it isn’t!!!
First clip is such an important point. Many people don't realise that once you are overboard, you're staying in the water unless you have a team of people hauling you up. The drag of a fully clothed body in the water connected to a moving boat via a tether is huge. Tether lines and hook on points HAVE to be setup so you can't go overboard.
Thanks for pointing that out - it’s a huge mistake lots of sailors make.
@@claverton there is no point staying attached to the boat if you can drown while still being attached to the boat.
@@niconico3907 are you on drugs?
@@clavertonthat was unnecessary, I think he summarized your point well.
If you are attached by a tether, assuming someone actually notices you go over, an halyard can be used to pull you out of the water by hooking it around the tether and winching it up. One person can haul someone up that way. Not terribly comfortable, but doable. The key here is someone has to get to you before you drown so rules like never leave the cockpit if you are alone on deck are important.
Safety protocols are written with the lives of those who learned the hard way. Thanks, Skipper. Fair winds
Thanks! I’m glad you found the information helpful and safe sailing.
The irony of the price of a safety tether is being made while wearing what appears to be an expensive Spinlock 170N Lifejacket.
Good job pointing out the illusion of safety vs the reality of safety.
An additional comment- perhaps a future video discussing the value of hard points for securing in the cockpit.
I am on the way to Florida for more filming.
Glad you noticed!!! Sail safe
And the high dollar sunglasses...
Why everybody assume the tethers they made are not sturdy, people using bosom chair are usually supported by a line that could support 10 people. (they have design degrees, which a part covers engineering.)
@@chhindz Respectfully, your question embodies the reason to call out the issue, many others will not recognize the risk with saving a few dollars. IMHO, the point made in the video is about the safety standards that modern tether's and Carabiner's are built to. These standards I understand were first matured in mountain climbing and rescue services based on real safety hardware failures. Within the last few years, the sailing community has lost skilled people because of Carabiner flaws (well documented cases). Sailing is expensive and sailors are creative and share saving money ideas. I would respectfully suggest looking online for some of the tether safety issues both in sailing and mountain climbing (they are pedantic about equipment safety 🙂). If your really interested in this topic and many others, take the Safety at Sea class.
I've been a bridge painter for 30 years. I hated belts and harnesses when we were forced to wear them. They've saved my life at least 3 times.
Glad you’re here.
Same as a roofer. Never fell off or slid on a steep pitch. Only shallow slick roofs and decking have caused me to slide. Harnesses save lives.
After learning about the tragic deaths of two Sydney to Hobart ocean racers, the issue of safety again rises. Everything that can be done to improve safety while sailing is Important. On another vessel racing, the skipper was washed overboard and had to release his tether, luckily he had Lifejacket, PLB and AIS transmitter and flashlight in his Jacket and was retrieved within an hour by his own boat and crew. This was only possible due to strictly applying Safety Rules on these vessels. These factors saved this man's life.
Your videos highlighting Safety at Sea should be a lesson to all. Keep em coming please
Thanks so much. Yes the Hobart Race, both tragic and yet the MOB did everything as trained at safety at sea. What funny , UM A was at a safety at sea I was presenting. Now am a moderator for US Sailing for Safety at Sea. Hopefully, people can start to identify areas where loads can e dangerous, helmets will work. I carry them.
@@rickpyne there was a MOB at night in december during the Atlantic rally for cruisers. They said He had a lifejacket and AIS transmitter but they never found him, even with 3 boats doing search patterns for 24 hours.
The visual aides are much appreciated! 😃👍👏👏👏
We are doing our best… and. I am trying not to be boring. This is a team effort and I have a great team
Just found your channel. You are 1000% right. I'm not new to boating, I started sailing in 1967, that's right, just after Columbus. Have had dingy class boats as well as a 40' sailboat. Raced a Lighting bit and cruised a lot. East coast from MD to both coasts of Florida, with three years on Lake Erie, and that can be a learning curve all its own.
I just this week commented on a guy that did the Loop. This guy was so far out on boat control and safety it is a miracle that he survived least of all made it all the way around. He admits he is clumsy and prone to mishaps in several of his videos.
In his last video on his last leg to cross his wake he was in the ICW near Fort Pierce FL. He proceeds to let his auto pilot not only steer the boat but plot the course for the next way point of 50 miles. Yes, it was calm, yes it was a clear day, yes there were no boats close. So, this guy decides he is hungry, leaves the fly bridge helm and goes below for about five or more minutes to make himself a sandwich.
First mistake is you cannot just let Garmin or Raymarine set the course like we do in a car. Well, you can but that is just plain stupid. Especially in an area that just went through two very bad hurricanes in the last five months. Channels silt in, day marks are not accurate in some places, the USCG can only do so much in that short period, and we sometime see buoys or nuns remarking the channel for six or seven months up to a year. The autopilot is not that up to date. Second is this is not open ocean, so single handing means you stay close to the helm, not below decks looking through the fridge to see what there is to eat.
When I commented on his channel his answer was “he’s a bit unique”. And we wonder why insurance rates are high. The USCG earns every penny looking out for clowns like this.
Glad to hear you're sharing your experience! This is the kind of information we need out there.
I used to sail on a destroyer back in the 70's, I quickly learned that you can't cut corners when it come to safety at sea. We need to always be at the ready and to be ready, we HAD to practice, practice and practice with many scenarios in order to cover all if not most unexpected occurrences in an emergency.
Thanks for your comment almost every single person in the Ministry Of Sailing is a former soldier sailor airman. Thanks for your service.
Hell man! I knew one is supposed to use a double action carabine, and now I know why!
Great video, thank you!
Right on
Appreciate this video. There is so much sailing content out there that is incentivizing people to do dumb stuff.
Thanks so much. I hope you find some of my other videos helpful.
Really good critiques. Especially on the confirmation bias. I wouldn't make my own seat belt when driving, compromising safety for convenience or to save a few pennies just to potentially lose my life. Like you said, works for me..until it doesn't.
Th mama for watching!!! Sail fast
I've never agreed with having the jack-lines down each side of the boat, mine run inboard as far inboard as I can comfortably reach them. Hopefully if I need them my short tether stops me from going over the side. I don't think at my age I can get myself back onboard if I go over the side. As we go forward the boat is narrower therefor more dangerous. Be aware. Stay safe.
Thanks for the comment. Stay safe.
Stay safe thanks for the comments.
I forgot to lock my carabiner one time climbing my mast, and the rope did exactly what the climbing "picture in picture" video showed. Thankfully I had a second safety line with prussik that caught me. Learned a huge lesson about double checking my carabiner locks.
Good stuff!
I’ll give you a lesson about a Prussik , that is the knot that’s pol think is fail proof . And used in many different applications. It’s also the knot that’s almost killed me . Stop using it . Use a mechanical safety device instead . I survived an 11 floor fall . I would and will never allow any one to use one around me again . Rock climbing / rope access or climbing a mast . I cringe everytime I see one used in any type of fall safety .
Sailing Uma sailed for their first few seasons without any substantial safety equipment. One notable absence were safety lines. I shuddered everytime they set sail. Later they became ambassadors for several brands and spruiked the virtues of the sponsored equipment. Lot of gullible people out there who are taken in by the 'go now, go fund me and/or Patron will pay' philosophy. Never more so than the deception of electric motors on blue water voyages. I have been on the water for 6 decades both as a professional mariner and an offshore sailor. Been involved with many rescues, unfortunately several that resulted in the loss of life. These days we choose to cruise in SE Asian waters, but maintain our safety to YYA Cat1 offshore standards. Just this week a crew member during the Sydney to Hobart race was washed overboard. He described his good luck that the yacht could see the flashlight he carried. His PLB had been activated, but didn't provide a precise location. His didn't have a personal AIS, which is an item I thought would have been mandatory for this event.
It is great that a sailor such as yourself is commenting and adding to this conversation. The flash light is a lessons learned from a Chicago Mackinaw race lessons learned and it is highlighted in the safety at sea training. It’s important to Train all aspects of rescue, including what to do when you are a person who is overboard. As for the difference between PLBs and AIS/PLBs, I think you will see a change in the very near future as they are now available more and more. This year, we have three success stories on rescues. Two had AIS. Never the less, the PLB worked for the S2H. Now we need to discuss helmets as we lost two others in the race, sadly! We need to emphasize proper preventers and the conditions when they are needed. In episode 109, we discuss helmets. th-cam.com/video/V5WJEhkBUc0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8Jc0QfpblLn3v7Cu
I love your work - seamanship - is The art of uneventful passage making..
Thanks Dirk, we hope we are adding value to the net sailing world.
I am hours from 65yo found your info on spot. We called a carabiner a deadly D in my day in climbing. I have been shown as in the demo of how in a fall you line could go into the gate and let you fall faster then a O shit! That would be the last legible words you spoke. Thanks for the info refresh. The jack lines " Wow " that was an eye opener. I sail in small lakes in Colorado and can swim to shore but would rather stay with the boat. As for getting back in the boat man, solo is hard with 2ft free board.
Glad the information is helpful! Stay safe out there.
I agree, you hear this " conformation bias" all the time ! Just use duct tape, it will get you there. We all need to educate ourselves on whats work best and is safest , listen to the professionals. Thank you for calling this out
Thanks for your support. Please share
I love duct tape and a lot of the time it will get you there. The thing you need to do though is once "there" you need to rip the duct tape off and fix it properly.
@@_JustinCider_ did someone say duct tape ??? hi I am also addicted to duct tape
And who is the professional then?
@@USA4thewin up until the point you need to remove it.
An additional point because many here are likely boat owners, Safety equipment on our boats is not just a choice we make for ourselves, it's a choice we make for our crew and likely family. I recently read that quality safety equipment will last 10 years and budget equipment will last a lifetime.
Yea, that same statement was a comment on a previous video. Thanks for watching. Keep sailing.
Clip to stay on the deck makes sense😂
Sail safe
A tether is a last chance, life safety device. In my opinion, $170 seems like a reasonable amount to spend to ensure I don’t end up dead. On our boat, life safety isn’t where we look to cut costs.
Thanks
I've watched 'waterworld' three times. I know a thing or two about sailing
That’s so funny - I was a rescue swimmer during the filming in Hawaii…. Lead to the Costner first divorce but that’s a different story.
lol
Glad I watched this, I have been with many professional skippers and even their safety appetite working within the same framework can be different. Its good to know what best practice is so you can manage your own personal safety
Thanks for your comment, glad this is helping people!
you make honest great points ,,, Happy Holidays and lets all stay safe on the water
Happy Holidays and thanks for watching.
Absolutely loved this content, well done sir
Thanks, I’m glad you found the information helpful.
I got hit by the full force of a wave going over the deck. The pain of my harness holding me onto the deck was about all I could stand. Thank goodness it didn't last long. Uma was the worst. Rock climbing I hooked my carabeener sling wrong and it came loose. It is easy to clip in wrong and when it comes loose it is very scary.
Thanks Drwyer, appreciate you watching please like and share
Just imagine yourself on a Safety Board Meeting, explaining the loss of life under your watch. "I saw this on TH-cam and..."
Exactly!!!!!
As a pole climbing instructor a single action carabiner can get you into a l9t of trouble. In the ‘70 and ‘80 we were taught to clip on with a single action carabiner.. I clipped onto my screwdriver and leaned back just to watch the screwdriver go flying! Double action saves the day!
Thanks for the comment, your experience is valuable!
If you wear a harness that doesn’t have robust leg straps, you can either fall out of it, or worse, it can hike up around your diaphragm causing suffocation.
Test your harness by having a crew-mate haul you an inch off the deck with the main halyard. That’s just a 1 G load. If you can’t breathe it will be worse in an actual emergency. Now test the release to make sure it works under load.
Thanks for chiming in. leg straps is episode 105. Enjoy
Excellent piece! At last! Did you notice on the third item how he mentioned cost? My bet is that it was also too expensive to do a safety course/a sailing course above competent crew level, and so it goes on, but notice his sunglasses? I’ll bet no expense spared then!
Great tips all round, more newbies should watch this before the other three in this episode! 👏🏼👏🏼
thanks -
You are correct, but remember that sunglasses are there to protect your eyes, not just to look cool.
The shock indicator aspect of tethers is for falls. These tethers are designed so that 1. They'll absorb the shock if you fall from a height and 2. To let you know that safety function has been used up. Most of us use tethers to keep us on the deck from falling over the side and loosing contact with the boat. My jacklines run from the top back of my bimini, and at the front of it they run to the inner stay and from there down to the cutter stay point on the deck. This keeps them up high where I find them to be more useful. The previous owner was a firefighter and had them set up this way. I really like them, think they're safer and more useful... but ... I might be missing something really important.
I've met a few other intelligent, safety conscious sailors who've set up similar high jacklines. They might someday become approved and recommended.
To stay on board I've also DIY'd a shorter tether. It's about 4' long with a loops at both ends, but at the working end after the webbing doubles back to form that loop, I have a second loop (just a gap in the stitching) where I have a second carabiner. Three carabiners, all locking. The one attached to my PFD is always screwed shut. (The clip of the climbing poteial danger is important to understand.) With this double ended tether I can transfer around the jackline attachment at the stay without ever being unclipped.
It is made specifically for my boat and my jacklines. On a smaller boat with jacklines down on the deck they could be a hazard or constraining. The entire idea is: if I loose my balance, I won't go overboard. There's not enough length. It's not regulation, might be disallowed on other boats....Would be disallowed on a commercial vessel. It has only the shock absorption of the webbing, so it'd be a bad idea to use it while up high. I've also got the standard approved double tether for everything else.
Dan on sailing Uma should've mentioned all of this and used locking carabiners. And don't forget the wire gate locking clips on fully approved tethers, that are still widely available and not at all safe because a cross load bend can bend and open the gate. Dan's carabiner is a wire gate . It's rating will probably say 24kN and 8kN along the length and across the width. Locking carabiners will say the same thing, I've got one here that says 28kN/9kN but it's got a soild gate and a screw locking closure. The rating is very similar but the solid locking gate if cross loaded, won't bend open; which can happen if you attach to something rigid, like a stanchion or a stay. Google 'safety tether locking clips' and select images. You can easily find the locking clips with the unsafe wire gates.
The antidote to confirmation bias is being aware of as many potential risks as possible and mitigating them as best as possible, and always seeking more information. We go on boats out to sea which is inherently dangerous, it would be safer not to. We've chosen to take the risk. The best sailors have a growth mindset, always open to criticism, new and better ideas. I've spent a lot of money and time on safety great I will never use, no problem at all. I love being the guy who when a flashlight is needed always has one. On board I always have a rigging knife with a marlin spike. I have always been the first to put on a PFD and the last to take it off. In my harbor I am always the only person on a 45' sailboat wearing a PFD as I step out on deck to stow the fenders. Yet when someone has to go up the mast on any boat I've ever been on and everyone else is pretending they're not actually present -- I'll do it.
Thanks so much for writing this and taking the time I appreciate your aspects of safety and yes going on top of a bit and he is great. I’ve seen it use many times and they are very useful.. one of my problems is most of the boats I race. I don’t have family whatsoever.
So many excellent points on this video. If people need clarification on tethers they should follow the story of the MOB in this years Hobart race. Swept overboard by a wave he had to unclip himself or drown as he was dragged alongside whilst the boat was crash gybing. Thankfully due to proper equipment and the skill of the crew he was rescued after 45 minutes in the water in pitch dark.
40 years ago I made my own tethers using 3 strand rope and my very best splicing skills I learnt from reading a book. I used carbines like Uma and I hard whipped the ends to my chest harness in my jacket. In the tropics it was too hot to wear our jackets so we didn’t wear our harness either…. I’m so glad I’m much better educated today, it gives me the shivers.
The jacket I use now carries a plb3 plus 2 tethers and I have the firing chest harness as I know I don’t have the strength to unclip from the chest if I needed too.
Thanks Sailor.
i think too many people dont grasp that these are not dangers you get do over or a story later out of, these are tread water till you die or float till you freeze mistakes almost always
Great way to put it.
You're right, there's no room for error, those are life and death consequences
Im a new subscriber. Saw your channel over at Chasing Latitudes. Thanks for the info.
Thanks… Chris and I are are from the same mold.
Making your own tether is like making your own seatbelts.
Or your own PFD.
That climbing demo on the single gate was the best. I was struggling to see what you where meaning there until I saw that.
Thanks for watching. I come from the military industry of war. We learned that the hard way.
The climbing demo is actually totally misleading and inappropriate. I put up a lengthy comment to explain this but it was immediately removed.
@ I haven’t received any comments. Please repost. I encourage everyone with all opinions. We can all learn from these. Please repost. Not only that my email and phone is on website. I am happy to discuss. If I don’t answer a colleague will.
@@DanKinnaird if you had an link in your comment, then youtube will remove it automatically
Great video. Thanks for highlighting this major safety issues.
More than welcome to collaborate to do a safety check.
Go to my website and find my phone number. I would love to hear about your experience as a refugee.. I’ve done security in some of the largest refugee camps around the world would be great to connect with you and see how you’re doing these days
@ I got it.
As a Swedish sailor...i agree,, !!
67 Years old and has saild my hole life...
The internet is full off young "wanabees" who hasen`t been in a real dangerous situation !
Thy all just to make money from TH-cam.....
Thank You...for Your Video !!!!
Thanks for tuning in
Thanks for your support. Your Swedish tides are amazing…
Good job again!
Thanks
I use to watch uma. But never gave any thought to what he was saying. Like the video 👍
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Am not a fan of jack lines i have always used hard points with 150mm plates underneath, 2 tethers and just go from one point to the next . It is a pain but no second chances single handed and always have a preventer on the main ideally 2 one for each side
I like the redundancy of having two preventers. You have a good plan, thanks for your input.
Well said, and great video. I used to watch some of these channels, until I stated noticing inconsistencies. Though I’m not a sailor with several thousands of miles under my belt, I listen and research everything. There’s no way I can make my own theaters or jacklines without some safety group certification, just to save money. I’ve made a career in aviation wheather I”m flying or working on an airplane, I’ve always used the correct tool for the job. Because of this, I have stopped watching some of those TH-camrs for the misinformation they provide. I myself have setup a short jackline with rings bolted to the deck, and just behind the wheel, so the helmsman can clip in. On the sides and/or stern, you won’t stay in the boat.
Sounds like you know exactly what you’re doing. It’s funny watching the crossovers between aviation and SAILING. Thanks for comment.
Extremely well done. Fair and honest advice. Thank you. Raphael nyc
Thanks Raphael. I just delivered a 56 footer to NY. It was cold. I definitely went the wrong way .
Regarding Sailing Uma, keep in mind they sailed their boat with obvious wrinkles for many blue water miles. I just couldn’t go for a week cruise in sheltered waters with that obvious issue. As for making your own tethers, how much are you saving over the life of the tether? Makes me wonder how old their climbing gear is. And I will NEVER get why one would skip a locking gate. And dang sure not the device he chose. I would assume that my tether will be loaded in less than ideal manner. And the wire gate carabiner is notorious for failure when loaded wrong.
Being fearless has nothing to do with controlling risk… we had a saying about guys who spent 20 years protecting the president. “How do you know that no one ever tried anything on his shift? Some times dumb luck works…. But you can’t plan on it.
"Confirmation Bias" my arse. In my profession (HSE) we call that garbage "Unconsciously Incompetent," or " they don't know they're stupid."
This might be the comment of the month
Great call out, you've got a new sub!
My 2 cents, as a lifelong solo multi-hull sailor and FG Master; 'Tubers educate themselves via other 'tubers videos, who have the similar back story. Bad practise's gets passed down and eaten up by the jar heads until it is lore, and it seems that some just go ahead and change the standards to suit themselves, and, as you say, it becomes dangerous CB.
Severely lacking with these insta-sailors (from my limited viewing) is even a hint of good old fashioned seamanship. Met, offshore nav, oceanography, heavy-wx tactics, engineering...nothing.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and thanks for watching. I really appreciate the subscription as well. I hope I don’t disappoint you.
I think we have a great team here and can help bridge the gap.
I am a catamaran sailor and there are many very popular you tube channels sailing multihulls and with kids. The cruising catamaran offers the feeling of higher safety due to the wide beam large cockpits and non healing characteristics. However I think there is a large amount of false safety feeling. In particular with some with kids. It would be interesting to see a safety survey of a larger crushing catamaran and maybe some comments about safety with kids at sea.
The Offshore special regulations also have a section for multihulls All you need to do is run right through it.. send it to them.
Nice presentation. Informative and to the point.
I'm not going to watch any of those channels, but all 3 are encouraging some form of safety which is good. It's better than NO safety, which im sure you know is more prevalent. I also guarantee that comments in their videos have pointed out all of their mistakes. Now it's up to them whether they heed the warnings.
Bottom line is people do what they want and then justify their own actions. Mistakes are made usually from ignorance, arrogance, inexperience, over confidence, lack of consequence, and most importantly, laziness.
My personal creed is "I rarely see the LIGHT....but I always feel the HEAT!" Now that i'm older... i just don't like getting burned as much... ha ha.
Thanks for your comment. Have a great day. Happy holidays to you.
This is a great video, well done
Thank you very much!
In my opinion, safety is not negotiable.
Safety is no accident period. Just like in aviation, you just cannot pull up to the nearest cloud nor can you just walk to land from a sinking boat in the middle of the ocean. Never scrimp on quality or go for the cheaper item and preventative maintenance is worth every single penny spent. People think that they can get by with a bit lower quality but when you are 1000nm from land, failure is not an option.
Our team at the Ministry of Sailing is made up of two Air Force pilots and one safety engineer from NASA you’re 100% right
Thank you for exposing these idiots.
They are well meaning… and for the record I never called them. Idiots.
Great video!
Keep pushing safety!
Very informative. These days there are so many so called experts out there.
Glad you think so!
I’ve never been on a sailboat… I love this video!
Let’s get you out there
Overconfidence leads to catastrophe, stupidity just helps being overconfident.
Thanks for your comment. Where do you sail?
@@ministryofsailing I'm a powerboater from Estonia.
I believe there is a balance to be decided on between the danger of opening a tethers gate from fowl lines or conflicting with saftey lines with the other choice of the the ability to be able to change one anchor point to another very quickly and one handed in, for example, a big roll.
With my antedotal confirmation bias in full swing, as a solo sailor, I have used both, and yes whilst in the cockpit or at the mast the locked gate is both secure and heartening, but when you have to get back off deck in a hurry, perhaps having to unclip and reclip to bypass a fouled sheet or trying to get back to the tiller to prevent that uncontrolled jybe as a wave has overpowered your rudder, then the large single gate is better because an untethered gate in your hand (because you took so long to swap points) is useless if you get hit then. I think it is also a factor in seeing so many sailors (with apropriate gear on) moving from station to station without actually tethering till they get somewhere.
Totally understand, I equate this fine motors movement white exchanging clips at night with a handgun in a fire fight. Yes, extreme, but the most elite can do it by feel. It becomes muscle memory. Trining training training. When you do it 10000 times, you no longer think about it and it’s like tying a shoe lace. Just sit watching TV at night and do it. It becomes second nature. Is it extreme, yes…. But it works.
Congratulations. Everyone really likes you now..
That’s gonna be very far for the truth
There is a very good reason why these TH-cam sailors are going to hate industry professionals fighting back on best practices….they have movies that make them money and reputations at stake. Undeserved I might add.
Solid info, and presentation.
Thank you!
Having lost pulpit, lifelines, dinghy, and liferaft in a 360 roll, I'm not a fan of liferafts in exposed positions.
Contact me-- let’s talk about it. I would love to tell that story.
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Yes, but if safety is not easy to use, many leave then them not used. Safety?
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@@ministryofsailing Yes, like happy in everywhere! Like listening some fleetwood mac! Ain't that just great!
@@ministryofsailing I bet: seems you got some fishing done.
Good video, but that's not the stupidest thing Sailing Uma has done lol
I thought that was a shameless when I could pick out of everything I’ve watched them do but they’re my dad’s favorite so I had to be gentle
Uma also posts a great deal and frequently say ‘this is what we do for us’ on all sorts so while I disagree with various things they do their questioning of the typical practices is a breath of fresh air occasionally.
I have more years of sailing experience than their combined ages let alone years of sailing experience but they are a huge inspiration to many people of a different era and we should take note of their can do attitude and not take snippets out of context as a description of their safety policy.
Cheers Warren
@ I think they do great for sailing, but when the comments on their page reinforce people making their own tethers, without explaining the pitfalls, may lead people astray. The first party of controlling risk, is awareness. Hopefully these help those new to sailing.
@@ministryofsailing I think they do plenty of disclaimers and they never say you should do it this way , at least they have a harness many people don’t even have a harness or ever wear life jackets
Thanks a lot for finding these pearls. I had seen the first one. It bugged me so much that I dug further and found the next step of folly: YT videos demonstrating self rescue man overboard. So, that is what tethers are for: reassuring you that you'll be able to climb back onboard, on your own, maybe at night, in a storm, reaching at 10kts, with a dislocated shoulder from the fall, and a dry suit filled with 20 gallons of frigid water. Priceless!
Now, that last guy should be more thorough and consistent in his assessment. I am sure that in years of sailing he never fell overboard, so if he values his own experience so much, he should ditch the tether altogether. Much cheaper and more convenient than home-made slings with open gate non-locking carabiners. Or maybe he'd realize the idiocy and and reconsider his options from the start.
Thanks for watching… appreciate you taking the time to comment
One other issue with Uma is the lack of crotch straps with their life-jackets. They did a big piece on the Team-O back tow system and how much safer it can be and then removed their crotch straps in all subsequent videos rendering the life jacket a fashion accessory rather than a safety device. Also how do North Americans distinguish between a worn device that will rotate an unconscious casualty to keep their head out of the water and one that will not? In Uk the former is a life-jacket and the latter is a buoyancy aid but I hear both referred to as Personal Flotation Devices (PFDs)
Team O is a great concept, but you need the ability to stay on the boat… the recent Hobart incident really emphasized that too. It was more of an entanglement than a MOB.
Check out the Rambler 100 episode. Went over the leg straps in detail
General class categories will provide a guideline for which PFDs (which is any device that is used for personal floatation, including rings). To help keep it straight, all life jackets are PFDs, but not all PFDs are life jackets ;)
- Class/Type I - Will turn _MOST_ users face up and used in all sea conditions generally used where rescue is likely to be delayed
- Class/Type II - Will turn _MOST_ users face up and used in all sea conditions, but will/may require trading water in rougher seas, generally used in near-shore sailing/where rescue is likely
- Class/Type III - Will _NOT_ turn users face up (same buoyancy as Type II), generally used in near-shore sailing/where rescue is likely
- Class/Type IV - "Throwables" (rings/horseshoe/etc...) - use/buoyancy varies by type, generally used as backup/secondary device
- Class/Type V - "Special" - use/buoyancy varies by type
(edit:) This is with the caveat that the device is still usable (serviceable), fitted and worn/used correctly, and barring any unusual factors. If you are on the water regularly, get used to wearing/working in the gear, if you're just "out for the day", listen to the instructions of the captain/crew when they do their safety brief. If they don't do a safety brief, start second guessing the decision to sail with them lol
And you are using what we call “clickbait” by saying these channels are “trying to kill you.”
Oops, Don’t tell anyone….
@@ministryofsailing It's really disgusting. You quickly go on to say that they are not, in fact, trying to kill you. So your title is misleading and histrionic, which decreases the viewer's trust in you. Way to build a channel.
Re #3 many of those double acting , locking carabiners have been shown to fail when loaded laterally.
As would a non locking caribeaner with a wire gate
Look at our episode on that. “Tethers can kill”. We did a complete debrief on side loads.
Great stuff thank you!
Glad you’re enjoying the content.
To be honest, I would rather use 2 tethers in tandem during really rough seas. My experience as a lineman tells me it’s better to always have 1 tether connected while moving around. Eventually you’ll have to clip on to something other than the jack line
We leave Staci ones on the mast.
This is basically why I hate most sailing channels. A bunch of TH-camrs acting like experts; As if having the capacity to upload a video somehow endows you with profane knowledge of whatever topic.
Why it angers me so is that most of them started their channel because they wanted to be "TH-camrs" and not because they were skilled, passionate people in their field. Oh, look. Some tards made a sailing channel. We don't know how to sail but we can upload videos too. Let's upload videos and beg for likes, subscribes and Patreon. The biggest channels don't even resemble the lifestyle that I've known most of my life.
Thanks for the comment I can feel your passion because that’s one of the reasons we started this channel after seeing so many people commenting on ideas that are actually dangerous.. an episode 101 we were not necessarily gonna be doing this type of channel but so many people like the information we interpreted as there was a gap for safety information on SAILING and that’s how we started. It’s been less than a year we’re hoping that we can continue to fill the gap on sailing safely, pointing people to the standards that are out there.
Please do continue. As long as it's all based on international agreed safety measures and not some random wanker just following their favourite "vlog"; Not only is there a need for it but it is genuinely good content. I am passionate, I have been sailing and coastal navigating since my parents bought a yacht and went cruising when I was seven. Aged forty-nine now, I still live on a yacht and am racing in two hours!
Yep I see it everywhere.
If you wear a harness that doesn’t have robust leg straps, you can either fall out of it m, or worse, it can hike up around your diaphragm causing suffocation.
You can challenge the confirmation bias about the lack of a manual life-raft release with this question: “If the boat is en engulfed in flames, do we need to wait for it to sink?”
Thanks
So what if my PFD is also a plate-carrier?
It means your in Iraq, check your routing software.
Oh damn, I’m going to have to check all of my tethers after that little accidental release clip.
It’s really great that you can use this to make yourself safer. Thanks so much for watching. Please share this. Maybe you can save somebody.
This video just served its purpose.
Well said Captain !
Thanks
Years ago on a life insurance application form I came across a question "Do you engage in dangerous sports Y/N ?" I did ski and sail But I answered NO because I didn't think they were dangerous.
Good for you
There is a difference sports is paid entertainment , ski and sailing is is a way of transportation , , good you ticked NO because who is YOU , , , INSURANCE IS A SCAM , SHOULD LEARN CESTEI QUI VEI , BLACK LAW DICTIONARY FOR WORDS ,
Great episode! I have been caught doing silly dangerous things, that's why I listen to all opinions and run my jack lines on the center of the boat.
Thanks for the comments
Take a really close look at what I use for the demonstration of the proper way…. Spectra.
You should talk about sailing into oblivion. Jerome Rand sailed solo around the world nonstop. Never clipped in no jacklines on the boat
This is easy, the past actions have no prediction of the future…
Jerome also uses no harness when climbing the mast out in the wild blue sea. I wouldn't follow those practices, and he doesn't want us to either. He has talked about it a lot. He does what works for him. Maybe he'll pay someday, but he has some achievements to stand . He's a bit of a hero to me.
John Bachar was a legendary free solo climber.
You may want to read how he met his end.
Great comments, shocked by #3! Should a Lifebuoy be connected to a rope, so that the sailor onboard can pull it back to the boat, if the person overboard fails to grab it or simply assist the person approach the boat if he/she is unable to swim please?
4:01 the Offshore special regulations recommend that a line be ready to throw, it’s a throw rope that comes in a bag always attach to the stern of vessel for when a person can’t swim. When a person is totally incapacitated and can’t get to the boat there is a course called the Sailing Rescue swimmerthat’s usually for advanced SAILING and Boats that have high free boards like me Yachts. But I recommend taking the Safety At sea course because you’re gonna learn everything you’ll need to know on that and you could take it online and then do the practical later when it comes near you.
@@ministryofsailing Is the throw line attached to the lifebuoy or is it kept separately in the bag? I have a RIB speed boat license from a Mediterranean country. On RIBs we are obliged to keep a 15m line attached to the lifebuoy for the purposes I described earlier. I had to use it once while recovering a lady who fell off a cliff while fishing. We actually threw 2 lifebuoys attached to lines back to the boat and she grabbed the one closer to her. I tried to keep a safe distance from the rocks due to sea conditions. She was a quite stronger swimmer, but there was no way she could climb up the cliffs as the sea as a bit rough (5-6 Beaufort scale)
Nicely done.
I have a buddy with a heart condition and high blood pressure who spends part of each day scouring the search engines for reasons not to use Statins. He saves them in a file, then passes them to his cardiologist who has given up engaging on the topic.
That’s funny!
@@ministryofsailing --funny, and an emblem for the age we live in.
I actually enjoy watching Uma at the moment but I must admit to cringing at a lot of what they have to say. They have however managed to get a broken old 36' a fair distance around the world including about as far North as you can go without any major mishaps. You could call it luck I guess, but I believe you make your own luck generally.
I like the way you differentiate between feeling safe and being safe. The issue with feeling safe is that you can be tempted to take an extra risk, or push the boundary just a little bit further thinking that if you overstep it then your safety stuff will save you. If you haven't gone to the length of actually being safe though then you can very quickly end up in a world of hurt.
It is good to see people recognizing the difference between feeling safe and being safe. Thanks for commenting!
I also think that people forget they had for the longest time did it in a tight budget . There have been many channels that have come and gone that are way worse then them or many others.
A non-locking carabiner is extremely dangerous. Those carabiners open all the time when you don't expect them to. You don't have to catch it on something. The tether alone can catch it open it. I'll look for the video of how this happens and edit with a link if I find it.
Thanks for the info. It’s probably time to change our terminology to “tether connection points”.
GOOOOOLD!!! Some people just cause a disservice to the community.
I am sure they are very well intended.
Hollow webbing Jacklines with 3mm dyneema inside them. Do not roll underfoot and super strong.
That’s my favorite
Yep the feeling safe kills
A day or so ago a 2 experienced sailors died when they got hit by the boom during the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
I suspect they were above the boom line (on the roof or something) when the boat unexpectadly gybed in the rough conditions
I know it is so easy to think one will quickly do something and you will be fine - and then things go wrong
One of those men was hit by the main sheet and flung head first into a winch, which did major damage to his skull
It’s hard to know. The investigations will take time and the Australian Sailing governing body is not afraid to make changes.
I agree with your points but pretty much every climber in the world uses single gate non locking carabiners for climbing. The climbing video you show is demonstrating the correct way to orientate the carabiner when climbing, not that single gate carabiners are unsafe. However as a mechanism for clipping into a tether I agree something more solid is better.
Thanks
Uma often spits in the face of hard earned knowledge. They discount the experience of the ages. At their own risk.
I have confidence in them. I hope they don’t have too many learning experiences.
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"Blah, blah, blah. Cut to the chase: why are you so hell-bent on wrecking your top-notch Chanel?"
Thanks for the encouragement. It must be your strong suit. What do you sail on?
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At present, nothing significant to report. I am approximately six months away from having the funds to purchase an offshore sailboat. Once acquired, I plan to strip her down, thoroughly inspect her, repair whatever needs fixing, and set sail for West Africa, South America, and Europe. My objective is to explore and experience the challenges faced by Portuguese and Spanish explorers.
P.S. I have been in the United States since September 1989, dedicating my time to studying and immersing myself in the lives of the noble individuals who founded and enlightened this great nation.
@ this is a great mission. Please let me know the progress.
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Just a question; did you reach out to these sailing channels for comments or dialogue? If not, why? I do not disagree in any way, shape or form with what you are saying, i'm a sailor myself, just curious :)
None responded… but I guess they are all busy. We have about a three week production time.
Jack lines near the edge are worse then No jack line
Thanks. Stay on the deck
nicely done.
Thank you! Cheers!
I asked a guy that was doing the around the world alone race what they do if they go overboard on the tether . He said die . You can not pull yourself back up . Might be OK if there is crew to pull you in .
Jack lines are always best inboard if you can .
CHeck out our solo episode.
Yes I know of two such cases, one was towed for hours until wind dropped, the other sailed up onto reef, lost his yacht, saved his life. When I crossed an ocean by myself I used a very short tether and I towed a small float on a line that was attached to self steering so when pulled hard, it turned the yacht. Gives you a better chance than accepting you'd be dead.
Just found you. Thank you for all you do. Sound practical commen sense information. Joined n subscribe.
Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy.
@ministryofsailing you won me over at the end. Insanity using a single gated none locking carabiner. One of the biggest failures and what people hate the most! To be inconvenienced. The short cuts in life are usually the longest most dangerous 😳
Thanks. Now I know. What I'm going going to do with it.......
Well,,, use it as a clothes line
I don't know, but I'll make more videos.
Please look at Sailing Doodles who just lost their new "Electric" boat that failed because the CANBUS that controlled the motors could not get wet...on a boat! He thinks that if the CANBUS failed on a diesel powered boat it would kill the engine. But the engine is NOT controlled by the CANBUS on a modern diesel truck or boat. The engine is controlled by an ECM that is housed in a waterproof container. So YES a diesel can run while the engine compartment is flooded but clearly poorly conceived electric boat motors cannot.
I saw that. Rewatch his explanation and listen carefully to the depth of water that they were in when they anchored compared to how much scope they had out I think this will be very tell-tale for everybody. Despite the issues, a proper hookup may have saved the boat.
PS 100% agreement from me by the way, all good examples.Something Similar we went through with Ovid too, and People wearing what were really badly substandard Dust Masks with those hinese made blue ones even failing inspections in Canada, so those same Masks got sent to California, where they were accepted ? WTF ?Plus nobody was told that Masks should not be worn for longer than 15 minutes, or they then turn really nasty, on breathing in, up goes the iris loading and on breathing out, you are spraying out viruses into your immediate vicinity? I mentioned before that I used to have a Builders Merchants, and seeing people using Disk Cutters cutting Concrete etc without a Dust Mask, I looked into the best quality Dust Masks, and found the most recommended ones were made by 3M ? But not cheap.So I negotiated a great Discount by bulk purchasing them then could sell them at a very reasonable price, and due to frequently visiting building Sites, Kept some in the Car,and seeing anyone doing something silly in a very dusty environment, was able to pass out a couple of free samples for people to try, as they are very comfortable to wear and give great protection - much better than those stupid blue masks people were wearing, which just increased their risk of catching Covid. Tethers ? I personally prefer double tethers, so you clip on with the spare, before detaching the first as you move forward , and pad eyes in the cockpit, starting with easy reach ones from the companionway before entering the cockpit. Stick to doing it right, and an aft cockpit can be more secure than what can e the false security of a Centre Cockpit, which for disabled me, is actually far more dangerous to get in and out of, than an aft cockpit, plus the usual long steep companionway steps with most centre Cockpits can be a real Hazard, plus most seem to be like a damned Sauna in the Tropics below deck. The Hunter ones, to me, seem to be the most liveable with tbh. I’m a bit of a Seago Fan for self inflating Life jackets though they do seriously under market their products.I like things like the availability of reasonable cost Servicing kits, so when coming up for expiry, and need of servicing, then use them for testing so people know what to expect when they end up in the Water, and they self inflate ? Then since them in fresh water, dry them, inspect the stitching etc, then replace with the servicing kit and change to the new expiration date a useful bit of fun to add to the Cockpit BBQ on a nice day, anchored in a nice Bay, plus can maybe coordinate with a few flares demonstrations as well ? 🤔 Bob. 👍🌟🌟🌟⛵️
Thanks… appreciate taking the time to comment.
Nice video! You might want to do a "sailing manufactures that try to kill you" episode:)) Some notes: In the climbing and rope acces world due to the rather deadly aspect of falling, there is a very hard line between specifications, individual testing and certification of products for life support as harnesses, carabiners and tethers and those for hauling gear etc. In the world of sailing this aspect is not there yet. Even mast clinbing gear is not certified! nor are tethers. rather worrisome. regarding the Sailing Uma video, in my opinion it is too general to say that making your own tethers is wrong. Yes the way he makes it is wrong for sure. But there are better and more easy ways.
Just 3 meter of 10mm of climbing rope, and 2or 3 locking carabiners. Want to use the carabiner on you rvest, Tie an overhand knot with a small loop where you put the carabiner in. then dress the knot snug to the carabiner. want to tie in directly on harness ring, Pull the rope for aprox 1/3 through the ty-in ring of your vest and with both ends made an overhand knot snug and tight behind it. Attach at each end a carabiner with a double barral knot with 10cm sticking out of the knot. Ready. fast easy and secure. I use a variable length tether, so at every location on the boat i have the right length not to drop off on the tether.
Thanks for watching!!! One huge weakness is helmets… I’ll keep pushing safety. We need more helmets on boats.
@@ministryofsailing Seen recent accidents helmets for any race would make a difference. And still even for life vests, try on a tree or garage to hang in it for just 3 minutes! And one knows al sailing certifications, desigs etc, fall short and they are not suitable or safe for that. Strange as hanging in it is big part of rescue or being rescued. Well lots of video's (for you:)) stil to be made for more awareness and safer sailing!
Surprising amount hate and trolling you got for this. I do watch sailing Uma and when I saw the thing about the tethers that gave me pause. I do sail, although not a lot of offshore, and I can tell you when I got a tether I was perfectly happy to get one from West Marine.
I think all your points make a lot of sense. Rigging a jack line so close to the edge of the boat makes no sense and testing as you know has shown that being dragged is very difficult to recover from and kills people.
I haven't looked yet but have you done a video on where you think jack lines should be rigged to prevent going overboard.
People hate me? Yep.
Everybody always hates the Safety guy, but if you look at the 96% thumbs up rate, I think that’s pretty good . Check out the night sailing one and two videos.
I saw the Uma episode and lost some respect for them on that one. The ‘79 Fastnet had numerous examples of single carbine hooks straightening or opening when clipped to a U bolt.
Thanks for the comment. Did you know that the OSRs were developed after the Fastnet?
Even safety gate clips have their limits* but sooo much higher than a basic carabiner. MAIB report from a while back MAIB safety bulletin SB1-2018: CV30
@ Yes I did. I sailed my first Fastnet in 1983 and it was all pretty raw even then.
Good video, now please don’t watch any of my sailing videos… I get enough grief over using angle grinders without a guard…
I am subbing… your warned… how about a collaboration? I’ll do a safety check with you.
@ Well… I am always singlehanded so that brings its own level of inherent unsafeness. Then there is the fact that my boat was built by an idiot (well me), however it would be interesting to hear your opinion. I mean despite my haphazard approach to life in general, I would rather not win a Darwin Award! The problem with singlehandedly doing stuff, is that there is no sounding board, but at least crew management is easier.
I'm not a big fan of aluminum 2x action clips. If I was a full-time cruiser, free of racing rules, I'd take that steel Whichard clip with the heavy duty spring any day. I'd also consider making my own overbuilt tether instead of trusting some factory in China to actually adhere to ISO1234567 standards.
But, as you know, the most important safety device is the tool between your ears, and having a reason for your actions.
Well said. Thanks for watching.