Building a Rocket-Drone
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Would the propellers cause drag when you ignite the rocket?
And yes build a bigger and faster one!
I was about to point this out as well
a free wheeling propeller is conisdered practically a solid disk of equivalent size in relatively small propellers like these. So yes, ALOT of drag comes from the propellers.
EDIT: (when modeling simulations)
Unless you can feather the props, which would be a problem on a drone.
Must admit, when he said this is my idea I thought this is a not going to work.
@@bobflyman variable pitch control propellers?
@@virtuallyaverage9357 wonder how much folding props would help with that.
Another banger James - love the rocket videos :)
Hey Joe
Why can't this mechanism be used for vertical landing?
@@Engineering-concepts-buildslikely weight and complexity, those motors would need to be stowed during flight to not add extra drag and it would need a bunch of testing to get the landing right, not that joes not done a lot of testing before
No bias of course 😁
Bro you have vertical landing rocket. These guy have drone plus controlled rocket. If these technology combine it will create super combination. Why you two can collaborate create by merging your two ideas in one project.
@@Engineering-concepts-buildsit definitely could, but thrust vectoring the rocket motor is way cooler
Sweet! Hope you're well, James. On my 5 inch, running 6s, I get 106mph with a GoPro strapped on. That's with freestyle props, not racing. You managed to go well over that. Maybe you should build one that will lift the Turbine and fuel!!😂
"on my 5 inch, running 6 seconds, with a go pro strapped on" you describing your bedroom antics?
@@sebpaine9095 6s refers to the number of cells connected in series. 6*4.2V makes for a 25.2V battery.
It was a joke.@@aleksjenner677
@@sebpaine9095 6s means 6 cell battery. Lot of 5-7 inch racing quads easily go over 100mph.
Those grey English skies are classic. Wouldn't think it's supposed to be summer tomorrow.
With the grey skies, muddy green fields, and fuzzy FPV video, I kept expecting a tank with a big Z on it to appear.
summer starts on june 20th
Uh summer start is always June 21, at least in my country and I guess in most others too. at least in Europe
Edit: googled it and official start is 20th June for the UK in 2024, meteorological summer apparently starts on the first of june. idk I'm not an timesoftheyearererism expert
These are... Storm Shadows!
GO BIGGER!!! Maybe something with multiple rocket engines and more powerful electric motors.
Edit:
Used the wrong wording. When you speak eight languages, getting everything is difficult sometimes. Thank you for the correction.
Moar boosters!
Get to Mars before Elon!
Electric motors, not engines
We choose to go to the moon 🌙 not because it is easy but because it is hard
MAKE IT BIGGEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR
Cool!
I think you can combine the fins with the drones arms to reduce drag.
Also a 5 inch should hit around a 100mph to begin with, check your config.
Higher pitch props will be better for the top speed but drone props don’t come in very high pitches so you might need to check out some airplane props.
Looking forward to seeing where this goes 😃
He would probably have to move the arms down to near where the fins are located to keep the center of pressure behind the center of gravity
I'd say that "a 5 inch should hit around 100mph to begin with" is a bit of a stretch. A super-light racing drone, sure, but if it isn't optimized strictly for speed (minimal/fragile frame, not carrying a second camera, minimizing battery weight, etc.,) then 60mph is decent. My freestyle 5" quads go about 60-65 because they are very much not optimized for speed, in favor of survivability in crashes.
@@FPVenius yeah you’re probably right. I have a five inch freestyle with older components and the gps said around 100 mph back when it was working. But that might be with a tailwind and maybe the gps wasn’t that accurate. But I see 80-120mph being stated quite often. I figure that people with more experience can hit those speeds.
Hi James , it’s me Anthony Stama the kid who emailed you that’s building a 3-D printed jet F 22 (edit wow this is the most likes I’ve ever gotten. Thank you.🙏🏻) edit 2 I did not expect to get more than five likes. Thank you.
why did I read your name "Ayrton Senna" lol
@@zigi_cubing ha
@@zigi_cubing haha
@@Anthony-stamahahaha
@ROBOTEK0711 same
Great Video!
Nice to see you get help from Emma. Hope this enables you two to approach even bigger projects!
They're brilliant together. 😍
More of Emma please!
I fly quads, should say, your drone is kinda very slow in stock.. modern stock 5 inch setups fly 100 mph quite easily, without cones and rocket motors. 6s, 1950kv motors, 5146 props give 180km/h and that's quite typical setup
Yeah his drone was painfully slow, he could have bought an off the shelf one with more than 2x the speed.
Completely agree. I think his idea was to make a quad that was boosted by a rocket and maintain control. He says at the end he used a low power quad, and asked if people would be interested in him making a much more powerful one.
th-cam.com/video/9pEqyr_uT-k/w-d-xo.html
It seems like they built a 4S quad.
@@Schradermusic Yes, motors have 2500KV. But the batterie looks like a 30C type, too heavy and more suitable for long range.
Defense contractors are taking notes on this video for sure
Or, they should be.
Ukrainians watching this and taking notes…..
Ukraine has fire power its the Russian taking notes
Exactly what I was thinking.
FAB1500 is still better
Notes? No! We doing 😂
@@gruntovik good to hear! Slava Ukraini!
this man is going to be SO valuable in the drone wars.
Not with projects like this one, he isn't😅
The take that space X got me cracking up 😂
Now do a high altitude weather-balloon-rocket. The cool thing is, you don’t have to worry about detaching the hydrogen-powered balloon because the rocket will just blow it up! In all seriousness, though, this is a good idea. Imagine getting most of the way to space using a balloon and then coasting the rest of the way using the rocket, since the force resisting the rocket’s vertical motion is smaller (less gravity, less air resistance, etc). Not only that, but the rocket will be closer to space anyway, so a suborbital model rocket would be a lot easier to make. You just need a trigger for when the balloon pops, an automatic process, (which can be linked to the altimeter instead, since the altimeter can tell when the altitude begins decreasing) so you wouldn’t need anything more than the stuff that is used in traditional rockets. You could have the weather balloon attached to the platform and the rocket on the platform (probably with two or three guide rails) and then use gyroscopic stabilization (as fins wouldn’t work at such low speeds and launching off of a flying (or at that point falling) platform is unstable no matter how many guide rails you have) and just connect the wire to the altimeter, maybe with a tiny microcontroller if your altimeter itself doesn’t have a signal for when it starts to fall
Make it a rocket attached to a quad, with an egg as payload - so the balloon goes up to the edge of space, just before the balloon pops you fire the big rocket & climb higher, & then when the rocket burns out you fall back to earth via gravity, & when you get closer to the ground, the quad fires up & self stabilises, then attempts to fly you back to the launch point autonomously & autoland...
Instead of a rocket just put a powerful drone inside the balloon.
I watch so many of these project type channels I’ve gotten ridiculously good at seeing a pcbway sponsor coming from a mile away lol
This reminds me a lot of Thunderbird 1 from the 60's Thunderbirds show. An awesome build!
I would set up horizon mode on a switch and flip it on then line of sight land it possibly. Great video as always. I'm getting old robot Giant's TV flashbacks from this.
How about taking off the FPV goggles to land it? Probably a lot easier to control...
Love your vids bro
yeah me tooo!
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Would love to see a bigger version, absolutely love your videos!! Engineering FTW!
Truly an awesome project and great idea. Thanks for sharing !
Excellent work and a perfect result. Bigger? Yes....absolutely.
My drones already do 135+ mph without rockets...
Yeah his drone was painfully slow, he could have bought a 100+ mph drone off the shelf
@@bogganalseryd2324 He is in a country where drone laws are more strict so I am sure he has to work around all that. As you can see he can barely go out far enough to do a decent speed run without losing video
@@borgonianevolution Oh man, that sucks.
@@borgonianevolutionthe drone laws are not strict at all here in the UK it was simply the junk racerstar electronics he used
Agreed
Nice James! Nice work and great video material!
Love your work!
However, on this project I would go in an opposite direction, i.e "send" the drone initially with the rocket (possibly with folded drone arms), then, near the destination reachd, switch to drone motors for controlled loitering/landing...
Bingo
You know we all want you to go BIG!!
I love this man
Loved to watch this! 6S battery with some high speed props (higher attack angle and biblade) should see you being less restricted at the top end. Looking forward to the next one
Great video, as always! Your work provided me inspiration and I got back into the hobby last year after a 30-year break! Keep making great content!
So.. Rocket = awesome
Drone = awesome..
Rocket drone = Double awesome...
But when is the Reliant project?
Ukraine and Russia have entered the chat
Exactly my first thought after the successful flight.
Higher payloads and/or higher impact speed.
Spassiba.
No they haven't. Get your extraneous bulshit out of here.
Добрий вечір від ЗСУ. Ми тут)) 😊
Use the quad motors to climb up to loiter. Then use the rocket propulsion to descend to impact..
Note✍️
Very cool! Great work. Yes, definitely build a bigger one!
That's a really cool Idea! The speed was definitely a bit underwhelming though, a well-built normal 5'' FPV racing drone can easily reach over 100mph without a rocket
Killer concept. I wonder how much ordinance this could carry with some long range wings? Fire the rocket to defeat countermeasures at the last minute, type thing.
Slava Ukraine!
I kept expecting a T90 with a big Z on it to appear at any moment
Героям слава
But this concept is a toy at best
Please can you do another rocket powered plane that was sick
So well done. I have dreamt if this. Thanks for making it happen. Better than I even imagined.
Great video James!! I’d definitely want to see how much bigger you can go and still manage to have a stabilised flight!!
I absolutely love this! Have you ever had a knock at the door about these specific (solid motor powered RC stuff) projects? I don't know what our kind of laws are, but I am pretty sure this is a no-no in the US. Frankly, I'd hope they'd see the hobbyist side to it all (and content of course) and let it fly (heh).
In an interesting turn, this is one piece of free, open source software (ardupilot) away from being an AI controlled, guided... Well, keywords and all that :P
I don't know if it's been done, but I'd love to see a drone in this fashion fired straight up, the showing the reduced control authority of the thinner atmosphere at altitude. Perhaps a staged version of this?
Maybe even go terrestrial on the next video with a rocket powered RC car. Rival your Jet powered one with even more of the technical issues faced at high speed and small scale! :D
Model rocketry is perfectly legal in America.
@@canadiangemstones7636 I never said it wasn't, but the guidance part absolutely is (BPS discusses it fairly frequently, and it's the reason GPS doesn't update as frequently above a certain speed even though it technically has the ability to do so).
@@Guffy1990 it's down to the power of the over the counter rocket engines, those have to be certified. The moment you cast your own motors you're in illegal territory.
@@AccAkut1987 so home cast grain is the difference between guided and unguided missiles? Huh, wouldn't have thought that.
I know what you're trying to say, but casting your own grains is a different branch of legality (and is only illegal past a certain point, and that point is pretty far). It's not the topic I was trying to reference, nor did I expect anyone to think I was saying model rocketry was banned (which would be hilarious considering Estes motors are available on both US and UK Amazon). Specifically the control authority is the illegal part.
What about instead of rocketing the whole drone with the rocket, you detach the rocket (just literally use the drone as a launch pad)? Would be a good use of a titanium strike plate and then just need to design a nice latch system to hold it up until you get ready to fire the rocket
Please continue working on this. A suggestion; try a body wing configuration and use some kind of ducted variable blades for propulsion possible, and/or one central prop behind the quad props at the bass. I've got many more ideas. Or a "fan jet trainer"
Dude, that was VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!!
You absolutely need to keep testing this idea!
BUILD IT BIGGER!!! PLEAAAAASE
Excelent work!
Greetings from Ukraine 😉
Ukraine KNOWS drones😎
💀
That's a brilliant first showing for the concept! My first thought for getting more speed out of this setup is some kind of lightweight (foam or 3D-printed) fairing on the rear face of the drone arms and motors - I'd say at a ballpark guess that in the current config they have at least double the drag of the rocket body once you get up to speed. If you search up some of the recent world-speed-record quad designs here on YT, you'll see they all have it. If fairing just the center of the drone (by adding the rocket) gave you such a decent increase in speed, fairing the rest should too.
Nicely done! If you want to improve the system, bury the rotor spars in the fins. That'll fair in both the fore and aft of the spars and sharply reduce the drag.
Build one like Luke Bell and than put a rocket engine. His went so fast and made world record
I think you should not start talking within the first half second of the video as TH-cam sometimes fades in the sound (seems to be some kind of A/B test) and thus makes the first one or two words that come too early hard/impossible to understand.
Brilliant indeed. Mission accomplished! 🎉 Keep pushing that envelope.
Cool video really enjoyed it as always!
We should team up and make a rocket powered drift car! 😂
Try make thunderbird 1
501 Missed calls from Lockheed Martin
Wow, this is such an amazing build! I'm so impressed with your creativity and skill. Thank you for sharing your work with us!
Awesome work
Not to rain on your parade, but with the right combination of parts you can build a 5 inch racing drone that goes faster than this rocket drone.
But Mike this is a world first, in 3, 2, 1
I have stock Iflight Nazgul 5. On a 6s battery it easily goes over 105 mph. And that's with a Gopro attached, so probably all i need to go faster than this rocket is a set of better props.
@@skasev REDBULL 400 km/h
I think you missed the point of the project.
Fastest ROCKET Drone not Fastest Drone
I see you’ve updated your radio to something decent, now you need to stop using 8 year old motor technology, use Xing or Tmotor stuff will make it much faster. A stock Xing 2306 send my wing to 220mph without much effort last year.
Motors actually look pretty modern, I'd guess he's just severely undervolting them. The battery looks like a 3s pack
Great. I've been building one for the last couple of years, but in my head only LOL, and on the opposite side of the rocket/drone ratio if that makes sense. But this one's rocking, way to go, just don't stop any time soon!
Well done again James
Hey, avid fpv drone pilot here, just wanted to comment that I came with a nice gust of wind at a downward swoop from about 500 meters high with the dji fpv and managed 186 kmh, I'd recommend you do the same , take it high, swoop down with the wind, then engage the rocket, also try to use lighter parts anywhere you can
Edit: maybe heavier might actually not be too bad either....
If you do see this comment and try it with success, please give me a shout :P
Furthermore: maybe give it dual control surfaces so some servos to use control surfaces like an airplane, and maybe a rat trap mechanism of sorts that folds the arms with props down and out the way, then kind of glide it down... i dunno this last part is a very far stretch.
so cool, congratulations
Go for it! Bigger faster greater thank you.
Hey James excited to watch this one looks epic
I have to say this is one of the most interesting projects I've seen you do! What an unusual idea, and what a great result! Bigger would be a lot of fun!
I.... did not think that would remain controllable. Excellent work!
I was also very surprised 😂
Heck yea, go bigger and faster! That was a cool project!
Great vid man keep the content coming
Keep It UP!
Fulfil Your Dreams
You have my full support
I thought of something, similar to that with rocket motors and props back in the 70's even built a frame for them in the early 80's. It's funny but i had the idea for the drone back then lol. Nice work and results :)
You can get actual model rocket motors that are just that, Booster. You tape them together with celephane tape in series and as the flame front hits the join, the heat melts the tape, empty rocket falls off, next Booster in series ignites. But don't forget, the more boosters the heavier it gets. Great video!
Many flight controllers can control servos, if you have a spare channel on the tx/rx you can use a knob to control the pitch of the fpv camera using a single axis gimbal.
Some flight controllers also have support for controlling gimbals using the gyro so you could set whichever angle you want (and some allow for combining gyro with a channel input for modifying the target angle) and have it maintained while in flight, that way you could have the camera pointing horizontally, or slightly down, out of that bubble cockpit so you get a good view no matter the attitude of the vehicle.
Very cool project :)
I've been binge watching you videos for days. Was watching the blue hydroplane boat when this dropped. Great channel and videos!
Glad you like them! Thanks!
@@Project-Air You make nice vids.
I’ve got a video idea: What about adding a VR to an RC plane?
Heck yeah! Top work emma 👏
Fantastic work, James! 😃
You guys killed it! Just add a capacitor to the esc input pads... It should help with the static!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Awesome, best one yet 👏
Super cool! What if you brought the spar tips in closer together on opposite sides? Like an X-Wing fighter?
you should make this a series
Autolevel mode is worth putting on a switch. That way when you’re camera is facing the wrong way, you have a safe mode to land. Same for trying to land that rocket body. Fly in acro, land in autolevel.
I am just so so inspired by your inventions they are just soooooooo cool thank you for sharing all theses really cool inventions of yours with me.
I think a big source of drag is the flat area at the back of the rocket body, where you transition from the large diameter tube to the smaller diameter rocket motor. You're dragging a ton of air behind that flat area, so I highly recommend putting a conical cap to make the transition smoother. I am really interested to see this design evolve! Good work as usual!
Yup i saw some guys that do high speed drones have cones on the back too to reduce drag
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To boost the speed of your future projects, consider drawing inspiration from NASA's X-43 aircraft design. Imagine a hybrid vehicle, part plane, part rocket: initially, it uses a rocket to gain speed and altitude, then transitions to using its propulsion system to build on that momentum. This approach could potentially achieve speeds up to 300 km/h. While I haven't tested this concept in real life, theoretical simulations using software like OpenRocket suggest it's a promising strategy.
Hey just found this channel and it is awesome. Id love to see a video with this same platform seeing how much you can maximize the altitude.
this is crazy, i dream to one day be able to have the creativity and resources to do stuff like this
Oooh, I've been looking forward to this since Maker's Central!
Cool to see Emma becoming a regular! Hope you two continue to build awesome things together!!!
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I've been building a similar high speed drone, sans rockets, since I saw your last video and suggested it, and since the current wr broke his record I got inspired. I'm at 108 mph currently, still testing stuff and ramping up. I hope to make my 5 inch come close to 200mph.
Dang dude this is sick!
You can prevent the plastic that melts from sticking to the rocket motor by adding a layer of baking paper in between the plastic and the engine. It will still melt, but it wont stick and just harden again once the engine cuts out.
Nice, that has some proper Thunderbird 1 vibes! 😎
Very cool, I think hinged propellor fins would reduce drag a lot on a larger version.
Outstanding mate! Yes please, go large 🤩🙂
Dude you made a miracle again.
Great Video! I think it would be usefull to set up a switch an your controller to switch the drohne in angle mode so it stays upright in the air. This would help you landing and also if your drone is out of controll so you can just switch into angle mode and land it safe
Problem with Angle Mode is that when the PIDs get overwhelmed by noise (like from a rocket engine), it risks over-corrections and either 1. flying out of control or 2. the ESC and motors melting
Hello James my name is Lloyd Harrison I am 10 and I've been whatching your videos for so long .my suggestion is that you could make a bigger rocket which could go for higher altitudes.
Good luck on your next project.
wow, well done!
Very cool. It would be an interesting experiment to have drone legs be able to fold down out of the way for aerodynamics , maybe a very light spring holding them up. I’m curious to know if rocket would cause them to fold back out of the way during rocket stage or if drone motors are still able to produce force while rocket fires.
Is that a Reliant Robin in the background? Put some rocket boosters on that! Lol
If only you'd painted it silver and blue to make it more like Thunderbird 1...here's hoping you actually do real life Thunderbirds stuff!
Let’s go new vid I’m so excited
James have you considered building an rc oblique wing, it was a prototype nasa aircraft that had a rotating wing to optimise itself for subsonic flight with its wing at 90 degrees to the fuselage and supersonic flight with the wings rotated so that one side is swept forward and the other back. Somehow it didn’t fly in circles but unfortunately was never used to much effect as it ran out of funding otherwise it may well have changed the way we make planes forever as it has the pros of a swept wing but none of the cons of the complicated mechanism required to sweep the wings. Just an idea as you seem to be doing a lot of speed related projects at the moment. Love the channel 😃
Lovechild between drone and rocket 😄