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RV Roof Truss Rafter Comparison with Josh the RV Nerd
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You're videos are the best, and NO commercials! Wow! Thank you.
I get a lot of requests from different monetization groups. I don't like them any more than you and don't want ads popping up.
Technically, the entire video is a commercial, but at least it’s useful and not just a bunch of BS. Now if Josh started towing trailers on the beach like the old car commercials, then I would say he has “jumped the shark”. Maybe it would work for shark week though???
When you first said pop can I was confused as to what that was. Then I realized it was a SODA can! (Here in New Jersey) Great videos. I learn more from you in a few minutes then I do listening to others for an hour! The nerd rocks!
"What do you call soft drinks" is one of my favorite regional games.
TH-cam keeps recommending your back catalog. Thanks for all these videos.
My pleasure!
As usual always great information Josh, thanks!
Thanks for the video, Josh.
You do a very good job with providing info to consumers that isn’t as accessible, advertised, or standardized as other products.
I really appreciate it!
Have you ever had one of the more “budget” manufacturers send you an angry letter or get mad?
I've had a few "anonymous" remarks fired my way here and there, yeah :)
I agree with your comments about the Jayco roofs. I have owned 8 different travel trailers and you can feel the difference walking on the Jayco roof. I’m sure all the others (including the one I currently own) meet a standard but my experience has been that theirs is the best.
Another rv class lesson video, 👍🏽👍🏽..
Josh, thanks for the RV education topics I love em!
Thank you!! Now I don’t know which is better. I had wood on my keystone sprinter and the roof wasnt walkable but it never leaked and my husband weight like 160 and he did walk on the beams to check and wash it once a month and get the snow off it in the winter. I like the wood because it didn’t leak it was all wood with metal siding the paint looked new at 14 years old.
You're welcome!
I’ve learned sooooo much from this guy. Very informative videos.
Just as long as you learn *where* to purchase your RV along the way lol
@@JoshtheRVNerd I started watching your videos for the rv information. We are in the process of selling and going full time rv. We will be coming from Maine to purchase our rv from Haylett RV when the time comes...(this summer).
Thanks Josh, good to know.
Another great benefit of wood trusses is they flex going down the road. The rigid ones can damage the structure of the rv going down rough roads .
I have J Feather BH 25 Here in Owen Sound Ontario Canada With lots of snow in the winter time, the Trailer is a 20017, And we get lots of snow , I have never cleaned the snow off my roof, And we have not had any problems .
Ty for sharing!!
This video was very useful bro. I’m in the midst of rebuilding my camper roof. and I was actually thinking 2x4s. Which would’ve been a big mistake. You helped make that clear
Have you been able to find where to purchase these trusses? I looked online but have not been able to. Im doing the same thing as you.
I was looking for some as well. Did anyone find some?
OSB is Oriented Strand Board comprised of strands of wood in various orientations, it is not cardboard but probably not as good as solid wood for load bearing or resistance to moisture.
Thanks for another informative video. Have you ever done one comparing different roof materials like rubber, sheet metal or fiberglass?
I haven't simply because the overwhelming majority of the industry is rubberized roofing, but it's certainly something to add to the list.
Thank you for presenting this information. It's very helpful. I wish I could find a similar comparison of roof decking.
It’s not exactly about roof decking but this runs pretty parallel m.th-cam.com/video/PMLdqtPwOp0/w-d-xo.html
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you! Yes, it does answer some questions and raises others. I've never seen an RV manufacturer boast about using specific materials. It might be helpful. Your video really does inspire more thought about material selection. Thank you. again!
I really enjoy these types of videos. They may be nice looking on the outside but under the sheets is what really counts. I know I could do some googlin but since you brought up the topic, what type of roof structure do Grey Wolf's have? Thanks!
The entire Cherokee/Grey Wolf/Wolf Pup lineup is very consistent on their build structure thankfully.
3/8" OSB Roof Decking
Arched non-OSB Trusses
Fully Walkable
Very informative video. Great job Josh.
I really did NOT understand, until now, that so many GREAT RV manufacturers use wooden roof trusses!!! Thanks Joshua!!! What type of roof is on the Winnebago Winnie/Minnie Drop?
I'm getting ready to install solar panels on my Minnie 2106FBS. I used an electronic stud finder to get the layout and it shows the trusses are 3" in width. This helps me know what I would be screwing into. Are the trusses 3" tubular aluminum or is there something between the tube and the deck that would be 3" wide? @@JoshtheRVNerd
@@duffb They're actually a galvanized stamped steel i-beam style truss. Historically Winnebago HAD used tubular aluminum structure in the roofing, but swapped to the stamped steel a few seasons ago.
Winnebago along with many other brands will often still refer to their RVs as "All Aluminum skeletons" simply to indicate it's a non-wood skeleton RV. Stamped steel trusses are actually more expensive and beneficial vs. tubular aluminum, so referring to something as "All aluminum skeleton" isn't actually an upsell, but a short-sell of the product's true benefits.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks for the info. I mapped them out with a stud finder to install solar panels and it shows them to be 3" wide. I'm still wondering what the profile against the deck I would be screwing into looks like, mainly if there is a gap in the middle or if that 3" is all solid, metal or something a screw will hold to. I beam would make me think it's probably 3" sheet metal.
@@duffb The truss as described in my previous reply provides a larger anchor point than the galvanized sheets used in sidewalls to act as anchors for cabinets. Be careful not to go nuts using something like 4" screws, though, as you could run the risk of hitting wiring that runs thru the looms.
I would like to know if the wood used in RV's for the frame and the roof is hardwood or softwood?
Excellent info...THANKS!
My pleasure! Hope it helps
What good is it to have a thick installation on the roof if the other walls are only a 1.5 thick?
Vast majority of heat/cooling loss is thru the roof/floor similar to the largest areas of human heat loss are your head and feet
The walls have far less impact. There's also nearly no insulation variance between a 1.5" wall and 2" wall (and no discernible difference in structure)
Thank you for the information... Very useful...
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative , thanks Joshua . There is one motor home builder that stresses an all pressed steel structure . Nexus I believe .
It's heavier, but REALLY hard to screw up a steel frame.
Great Video Josh :)
Hey Josh, I have a passport 199ML. I weigh 270 and want to check out my a/c to clean it up, how would I get on the roof? It’s not walkable but I need to do some maintenance.
Sturdy Ladder, Have someone hold it to steady, Get some wooden sheets to help disperse weight, and try to make sure you're on your hands and knees on top of roof trusses
Haylett RV Awesome! I was thinking of using wood sheets, thanks for responding with such great info. Wish their were more salesmen like you out their.
Very informative. Thank you
Appreciate the info
Josh, how do I figure where to install brackets to attach solar panels to roof truss
The answer here might depend on the exact RV and the composition of the roof. And without seeing it, then this is very hard for me to assist you via text-alone.
So if you're not sure, then I would HIGHLY recommend visiting a service center with your RV to be evaluated.
Josh, you're an Rv superstar ! Love your vids. Quick question, do Montana High Country's have wood trusses ? Oops, thought of another. What don't high countries have in quality compared to regular Montana's?
Yes. Wood trusses just like full Montana
It’s not a quality difference between them. It’s equipment. The full Monty just has more stuff. They’re essentially built the same
I have a 1995 Thor Residency Class A Motorhome on F53 chassis. How do I know whether I have wood or aluminum truss? Thor (which was Thor West Industries) is defunct so not like I can ask them. Any ideas how I can tell?
apologies without opening it up to look i'm unsure
Go video I’ve been looking for this answer what the difference was between wood and aluminum make me feel good about my choice
Do you know what rockwood uses as a backing support to attach upper cabinets and sliding doors to the ceiling? I have a 2020 2604ws and the bathroom sliding door header keeps pulling out. Need to know if the backer is wood (2×4 or 2×2) or do the screws go into the alluminum truss.
Typically a galvanized steel panel inlaid into the laminated walls/ceiling. If compromised, then there may not be anything for an equally-sized screw to bite into.
what do you think of the coachmen trailer APEX 215 RBK 2023 is it a good choice we travel 7 times in our summer
I’ve always liked apex models
I'm getting ready to redo this RV roof it's so bad and won't last much longer never did one before but same time what would it cost me to have it removed and redone by a professional person
How much should a toy hauler roof be able support? I'm waay to big to get on mine I think. I'm 310# 6'7" but I need to change the membrane and I don't want to pay someone. I have a 2001 keystone tailgator 210rr. I only bought it because I can stand up in it.
Provided the decking is sturdy and trusses are good you should be okay. At your size you’ll likely want to be more hands and knees as much as possible and stay atop the trusses whenever possible
2018 Montana 3811ms What style roof would be in my trailer . And I notice you talk a lot about Jayco's ..was wondering how you feel about the build & quality of our trailer .thanks . By the way great videos you put out wife and I enjoy watching them and learning more
In 2018 they juggled between a few different roof trusses before settling upon conventional wood trusses.
Regarding how we feel about Montanas -- they're our best selling luxury fifth wheel. We wouldn't keep them here if we weren't happy with them.
How thick is the roofing of Leprechaun 230cb - external roof to internal ceiling (in inches)?
Apologies I do not know. I’d estimate 4-5” at thickest but it will be thinner on the sides due to roof taper
@@JoshtheRVNerd- thanks. I was concerned about size/length of drill/screw to use on my supposedly no-drill solar braces. I am not too confident on the Gorilla industrial strength adhesive that I used. Thanks again✌🏽
What about the walls ?
Can you tell me if the top 2x2 on a wood truss is bent over the support brackets or is the curve cut out of a larger board? If bent, I imagine it must be steamed to hold its shape.
I do not know the details of the truss’s construction. Apologies
I hope you're right about Jayco having a tougher roof.
Maybe this will help shed some light on why I make those statements: Because I've seen the results in person.
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Thank you for the video - it looks like the wood trusses are not solid - would you mind explaining and / or giving a closer picture? Can these be purchased? About ready to plane down a replacement roof beam when I saw your video. Thanks.
Home trusses are not one solid piece either. They could be purchased individually from a MFG if needed -- which is how we perform service work at times.
Years late, but if you see this, Josh, I'd love to know: why aren't the tubes in tubular aluminum roof trusses filled with insulation?
Is it not technically feasible? Is it too expensive to justify replacing the air, static air being a fairly decent insulator itself? Or does the extensive heat bridging by the aluminum just defeat the purpose of any kind of added insulation? ...Or something else?
Hi Evelyn! I'm still watching for comments even after all these years! :)
While I cannot say for certain I would suspect the answer would be cost-associated. But again - that's just a theory
How do u give this a "thumbs down"?!? Just good information. I dont get it. Good stuff.
"Some people just want to see the world burn" lol
Great video with tons of information. I have a Forest River working play that has steel roof trusses every 16 inches on Center, I do not know if they are galvanized, question do you? Thank you.
The Work and Play is a completely different animal. It's not an RV. It's literally a car hauler with a living quarter conversion. Everything about it is odd.
For us big guys how heavy is too heavy to walk on rv roofs?
I do not know specific limits. I know we have guys over 300lbs who camp and maintain their roofing on staff
Hi Josh, I really appreciate you making this video. Do you know what type of wood is used on the Astoria Plantinum truss? Its hard to tell from the images online if its OSB or standard treated wood.
I do not. Apologies
Is there a way to easily tell what type of roof trusses are used when looking at old used RVs? Specifically Class A's?
No. Not without actually getting into the roof.
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Awesome job explaining roofs Josh. I really enjoy you videos and you giving us good honest information all the time. Do you know if the 2017 2504S Rockwood Mini Lite aluminum frame for the roof trusses are 16 inches on center?
Rockwood uses a laminated Roof. Laminated roofing does not have periodic cross members like a constructed roof. So no, it does not have 16" on center studs. They have cross members as required -- such as by the air conditioner to support extra weight and a full aluminum perimeter.
Haylett RV thank you. Do you know of any pictures or videos out there that show the roof framing that you can share?
I do not. Again, it's primarily an aluminum perimeter on a Rockwood RV.
Haylett RV thank you
Michael Bracewel
great video, i am in south Louisiana and just wondering which you think is the best roof style for a year round camping family
thanks in advance
I don’t think type matters for that type of use. Just upkeep.
Josh, do you know what type of roof truss an 2005 keystone raptor would have? I think I have a sagging truss in the garage as the cabinet door contacts the ceiling when opening.
I do not. They have changed trusses over the years & we've never handled that series specifically. It's *PROBABLY* wood truss'd, but there's an outside chance it's a galvanized stamped steel.
I don't think they had tried any composite fiberglass trusses at that point in time.
Thank you so much for this video about roof trusses - something I never even thought much about. I looked through the list of your videos - my gosh do you have a lot of videos!!! Wonder if you could make a few short comments or give leads on what do do with resealing epdm roofs. I was going to go with a silicone roof paint, but I'm having 2nd thoughts and I'm wondering if something like Liquid Roof or similar product available in stores might be a better way to go? I have already used some silicone seam sealant, which I gather may not stick to anything other than silicone - but I might be able to cut or ply it off if necessary, given my application technique weaknesses. If within scope, any tips appreciated on reconditioning an RV roof and in the case of a used RV, what to look for and ramifications. Thanks.
Without seeing the current condition of your roof it's difficult for me to even begin to know where to offer suggestions. This is the kind of thing that can't always ben answered on a computer. Best recommendation is to start building a relationship with a local service facility who can better know you/your RV & offer more personalized suggestions.
What is the approximate span between each aluminum truss on a class a rv
I'm sure it varies greatly by brand. Most of those feature laminated roofing. When you laminate studs tend to spread much further how by design. I typically don't see them more than 4ft on center. I could imagine brands in that class adding more of course.
Another great video ! What type of roof does the coachmen apex nano 193bhs have ? And is it walkable ?
All Apex models use a laminated roof. It's not THE MOST walkable in terms of load ratings, but there's no reason one adult can't get up there and do seasonal upkeep.
Interestingly, the Nanos with a non-centralized A/C unit actually have a little superior walkability since they do not have the A/C channels cut thru the roofing. On an Apex with central air it's best if you either walk right in the middle or along the edges (with caution of course)
Just curious, who has the wood roof trusses but the aluminum perimeter on the roof?
Freedom Express
Josh, I think I have watched this one about eight times now.....getting close to the magical number ten viewing :)
QUESTION: Could you do a short (or long) vid on the construction of a Rockwood Mini Lite floor and roof construction? Do they have a couple of unique construction methods in these areas? Thanks and God Bless!
Their flooring is nearly the same as Jayco's -- aluminum studs & 5'8" T&G Plywood
Their roofing is very different. It's laminated w/central A/C vents built into it basically
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks Josh! Does the aluminum roof crossbeams run length ways instead of across? or both directions? Maybe time for a video of a Mini Lite factory tour? That would be awesome! The factory tours you have done in the past have been excellent...encore....encore :)
@@richardkoch8752 Laminated roofing most has an aluminum perimeter. There are fewer cross members overall (which is kind of the point of laminated vs. conventional builds).
They will run east/west though
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh, by East/West do you mean lengthwise instead of cross members like most campers? I'm no good at directions :( I get lost in my own driveway.....especially after too many bottles of that "honey color Rocky Mountain Water"
@@richardkoch8752 "East West" is commonly used to mean "from side to side" in RV'ing. While "North South" means "front to back"
Okay.. question for you.. what is the benefit of having a fully painted 5th vs. "the standard" type . is it worth the price?
The biggest thing a full paint package does for you is cosmetic. They usually look "better." There are other benefits however.
Full paint will eliminate nearly all exterior decals, so peeling/flaking is simply no longer a thing. The nature of the paint will generally provide superior resistance to things like sun fading. It often wraps a few inches over the roof line which can help protect things like the perimeter seals for a longer period before a full peel and reseal is required.
But... they're also INCREDIBLY expensive to apply to an RV. And, God forbid you ever need any sort of body work getting a touch up paint to match the original will never be perfect due to things like sun exposure -- even if you have the original paint codes.
So, "is it worth the price?"
Well... that's for YOU to decide.
Josh, in your opinion can a wood construction rv roof support the weight of ceiling mount cabinets over the island? Not looking to fill them with heavy items. We have a 2013 Dutchmen Voltage 3950 (43' length).
Thanks! Your videos are always so helpful and you are fantastic!
"It depends" is the best I can say without knowing more about what's going on. This is a question best left to someone who can see the RV & what you're looking to hang from the ceiling and not likely something I can answer here with confidence.
@@JoshtheRVNerd completely understandable and I thank you for you taking a moment to get back to me. Keep up the awesome videos!
Once again you have given u
Once again you have given us information that would not be seen or demonstrated by other RV dealers.
I have seen some nice trailers but they only had one axel. For me it's easy to see the many benefits of a dual axel trailer. I'm curious on the benefits of a single axel trailer. Help me out please
Single axle = Lighter and less money. That's pretty much it.
Josh, what is your best pick of a 16 - 18 foot bunk house travel trailer? I am looking to buy something that is going to last. I thought this would be a lot easier than it is. Any suggestions?
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Dear sir I have a national seabreeze lx and I am wondering if u know about the duraframe in the roof?How is it constructed I have a little rot around the skyline in the shower and I weigh 290, Can I get on the roof?It has steel in it I believe.thank you.
Hi James! As much as I'd like to assist I lack the training on those types of RVs and roofing systems. I'd rather tell you "I don't know" rather than give you potentially bad info that could do more harm than good
What roof does my 2017 whitehawk 24mbh have
White Hawks have always had the same type of roof as an Eagle. Wood Studded with 3/8" Plywood Decking
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks for the info
So which brands don't you carry..........lol, well worth a shot.
Not many. And many of those we don't have are clones or sisters of what we do carry.
Maybe a composite roof truss made from recycled plastics is in order
I am more concerned with how the roofs work in conjunction with the walls to prevent water getting in. Can you do a video on how these roofs and walls are grooved to fit into each other. Sealed water tight etc?
Commonly the roof is basically just set on top of the walls & fastened in place. It's not a mortise and tenon type of fit
@@JoshtheRVNerd so is tightness of fit and sealant what stops water from finding its way in?
@@123JumpingJacks I think we're talking about two different things here. I think you're referring to the exterior fasteners rather than the actual roof and wall sections meeting.
After the roof and walls are attached a roof skin is applied over the top that hangs down over the sidewalls
Corner trim is then applied over that to create the overlap and coverage/seal points
You may find some benefit in reviewing a few of the factory tours we have recorded. perhaps some more visual references will be useful?
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you. Looking at one now
So I have a question Josh. I have a 2018 Jayco 295 BHDS and have noticed that under the rubber roof, I can tell where the board are underneath and it seems they are not solidly connected to the wood underneath. When i walk on it, it is very flexable and you can see under about a quarter of an inch difference between the boards. Do you think this is something that Jayco will take care of with their warranty? Thanks
Without seeing what we're looking at I just can't say. I would advise working thru your local service center.
@@JoshtheRVNerd OK thanks, I just didn't know if you ran across that before with any of your customers
Are NOBO Trailers built pretty well?
I'll leave that question to the NoBo dealers. We have great options like the Geo Pro series here which spawned so many similar units like NoBo and the new Jay Feather Micro that's coming out. Give our team a call and we'd be happy to show you why we feel we have one of the best lineups available out there!
Hello! Great video. I have a question for you, I own a 2017 Kodiak 223RBSL Ultra Lite travel trailer, I am installing the glass solar panels on the roof. I’ve reached out to Dutchman to see if I can get a roof plan for the support locations. I was told they don’t have one. Do you know what type of struts are used in this trailer? Also, I’ve used several types of stud finders with no success. How do you suggest I go about finding the roof supports? I greatly appreciate any advice you can offer!
Quick note: Since I'm not a Kodiak dealer I"m not 100% familiar with their exact construction. However, Kodiak is a "cousin" to the Passports we carried here for years. For years Passport used a galvanized stamped steel roof truss that may not be "playing nice" with your stud finder.
Some Kodiaks have also had laminated roofing over the years. You may find it has aluminum framework located ever 48" or so on center
*Also, did you properly calibrate the stud finder by first holding it up to your chest and going "Yup. There's one." before using it? This is of critical import when using that particular piece of equipment.*
Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it very much. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks Josh! I love the information. I'm about 2 years away from being able to purchase a 5th wheel and am doing my research. I have an unrelated question about 5th wheel lengths. How much of a 5th wheel (overall length) overlaps the truck bed when hitched and is this a typical amount with most 5th wheels? You probably did a video on this already... LOL Thank you!
I actually haven't. It can vary based on hitching placement and bed size.
In your opinion what roof truss is best? What roof trust does the Rockwoods use, for example the Rockwood 2304DS? Thanks for this information.
Rockwood uses laminated roofing that is completely different from anything in this video. Perhaps I should've specified this applies only really to constructed roofing.
Laminated construction is a completely different animal. Rockwood's skeletal structure will be a tubular aluminum however.
The point of the video was to show how each type has advantages. There is no best. Just different. The "best" one depends on your goals.
@@JoshtheRVNerd With that being said how is the load bearing performance or capability compare?
@@wildhog3217 pretty equivalent exchange -- similar to flooring. MFGs do their best not to "overbuild" typically to avoid "wasted expense," but a brand like Rockwood also excels at avoiding under-building an RV. It's a big part of what's made them the top lightweight for umpteen years in a row.
Nice video. What do the Thor class A use?
Depends on the brand. We're not a dealer of Thor's motorized products and likely not the best resource for information on them as a result.
That was very informative, as always 👍 it's very much appreciated. When the time comes, I will buy used, since they depreciate so much... How will I know what type of roof an RV has, especially if I am looking at private sellers? (I may not, but just in case) will I be able to just Google any RV and it's tell me what kind of structure it has?
You kinda just have to know the brand to know the construction. Googling stuff is difficult because people put up a lot of inaccurate information (often unintentionally).
Haylett RV ok thank you. I'll definitely read up on the brands. Thanks for all your info 👍
Another lesson learned .
Diagram of a 2006 rockwiid 5th wheel roof framing
You'd need to contact Rockwood's customer service with your VIN. Hopefully they have records dating back that far.
Another informative video Josh, thank you for all your hard work. When thinking about what 5th wheel to purchase, I'm beginning to believe that having thicker walls like 3 1/4 in. wall may not be worth the extra money it costs to get that better insulation due to the two main ways you lose heat, through the roof and windows. Having never owned a 5th wheel, does it make a huge difference in keeping a particular temp, moving from a 2" wall to a 3" wall?????
As you have mentioned the main heat/cooling loss point are roof/floor/windows. I do not believe an extra super duper thick wall makes any significant or functional difference.
In the case of something like an open range 3x what the 3" wall is doing is adding an extra inch of bead foam on top of the aluminum skeleton so you don't see those condensation lines outlining the skeleton of the RV in the morning.
I need a diagram of 2006 rockwood roof
You'd need to contact Rockwood's customer service with your VIN. Hopefully they have records dating back that far.
Hello Josh, I am a Canadian client (Quebec province). I would like to buy a fifth wheel Montana 3820FK what can you tell me about this unit. I will be retiring very soon and we will be doing a lot of traveling with this unit. I would like to have points for and points against according to. Thank you for making us small video. They are very useful to me.
There are a lot of points to cover in RVs and I don't know what you're seeking to learn, so I don't know what to cover in a video. So here's an idea:
1.) Start by watching this: bit.ly/2RJMRtT
2.) Then, watch this: to get an idea of what updates have been applied since video #1.
3.) Then, contact our team at sales@haylettrv.com to save some phone charges with whatever additional questions you may have.
You may also enjoy seeing Jayco's take on a front kitchen here: bit.ly/2RQK2XO
Can you suggest a good built travel trailer that will last. Weight doesnt matter, looking for best brand
Jay Flight, Eagle, Rockwood both came to mind immediately, but there may be brands like apex and winnebago that could really work well for you depending on the size of RV you seek. I would recommend chatting with our team at 800-256-5196. Once we know how you plan to use it we'll be better equipped to provide more suggestions.
What type of truss does the 2019 Keystone Bullet 24BHS use? Is the roof walkable? Do you find the roof design of good quality?
Bullet is the sister to our Keystone Passport. I think the model you're referencing is a 243BHS. That's their copy of a Passport 240BH (Check here to make sure we're looking at the same thing: bit.ly/2Ttkz8m
The roof trusses of that bullet are stamped steel on 16" centers which is great, but it's still a "service only" roof (aka not fully walkable) due to the thinner roof decking they use to keep their weights down.
@@JoshtheRVNerd so what's the difference between full walkable and service only I mean you have to get on the roof either way especially if it's your ac that needs work and it's in the center
@@kbrowniiee *WALKABLE:* You can stand straight up and down on it with feet right together anywhere you want.
*SERVICE:* You should be on hands and knees with weight spread out.
@@JoshtheRVNerd so I can crawl on my passport ultra light because I know I can't walk on it that didn't feel very sturdy good thing I got on top of it from my house roof and wasn't on it very long
@@kbrowniiee Yes. It's not intended for standing around up there and hanging out. Structurally it has the same roof trusses as something like a winnebago with a walkable roof. The ONLY difference between "walkable" and "service roof" in the case of an older passport is the thickness of the roof decking.
Passports used to use 3/16" roof decking until roughly September of 2019 when they literally just adopted Cougar's roof. It added weight and cost to Passports, but also allowed them to be fully walkable.
why make a whole argument about deflection when this is not even a thing for RV owners to worry about. If the roof is damaged in anyway no type of roof is going to make a difference. Other than flipping the RV the roof wont matter lol Also, any decent trailer has insultation above the aluminum with a built in air gap so you're not even right about the insulation points. Even full wool sheets are placed under the aluminum floors on models like rockwoods/flagstaff. There are no gaps at all.
What kind of truss do the Open Range 3X’s use?
Wood. Open Range's roof is virtually (if not completely) identical to Jayco's Magnum Truss Roof -- they just don't use a special name for it.
Haylett RV Awesome, thank you! We want to go full time next year, and are trying to decide between the 3x bunk house or a north point. I’m leaning towards the 3X. Does the 3X use plywood on the subfloor?
*TECHNICALLY* yes, but not in the way you'd think. All Open Range towable RVs now use a laminated floor with crossmembers set every 24" to maintain a strong structure. The top of their floor is a dual layer offset luaun.
Technically speaking, two layers of luaun laminated together IS plywood. But, I don't think that's the plywood people have in mind when they hear the word "plywood."
Haylett RV Which brand would you recommend more, for full time living? We are in Wisconsin, so the thicker walls are a draw to me. Plus the slide out floors are thicker on the cable driven style versus the rack/pinion style, correct?
Slide floor thickness will not generally vary due to slide mechanism type.
Regarding Full Timing: There is not, nor has there ever been, a more successful RV for full-timing than the Keystone Montana. #1 in its class for 17 straight years. Warranted for Full Timing (which is exceptionally uncommon).
The Jayco counterpart would be the North Point, though we have many customers on the road full time in an Eagle series as well. The Pinnacle is often preferred for the wider living area to maximize space.
What is this “snow” you speak of? 🤣😂
It's like the sand you're used to see but colder.
Why don't you carry and Grand design Rvs?
We were already a large Keystone dealer when Grand Design came along. GD was structured from the ground up as what is essentially a Keystone clone. Looking at them side by side they offered nothing significantly different from the Keystones with which we've already been successful.
There's nothing wrong with them. I'm not throwing stones. They're just nothing new/different/special from anything else already present.
And hopefully you understand neither they nor any other brand has a 3 year warranty and R40 or R52 roof. We have videos to explain those items if you would like clarification.
Haylett RV thank you for the clarification. I appreciate all the videos you do. Very informative.
Annoyingly long winded
I have an odd question and not sure where to find an answer. Any help is appreciated.
I teach pole fitness and would like to put a pole in my 2015 Forest River Silverback 5th wheel.
In a house you find the ceiling stud, place the pole under it and crank the pole tight and flush to the ceiling, tight to the ceiling is key.
There are no screws or mounting brackets. I tell people it is the same as a car jack in that the stability happens bc the jack is between the solid ground and the car frame and when cranked into place the pressure created leads to the stability needed.
My question is ... how do I know if the construction / materials of my 5th wheel IS conparable to the typical ceiling and floor structure of a standard home build and will support me putting in a pole?
Again any help is appreciated, thank you.
Phoenix
That's actually not the first time I've had someone ask me something like this. RV structures are not made for the demands the poles require.
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you very much!! And continued success with your channel - great info!!