Why I chose a Cessna 170 over a 180, or Super cub
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- Why I chose a 170
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That’s a true pilot who knows flying on the backside of the power curve!
Larry, you squeezed every gram of performance of the 182 for gravel bar and back country takeoffs and landings. If anyone on planet earth deserves a change in style of plane, it's you. Beautiful videos and breathtaking scenery.
you are the best bush pilot on youtube as well as filmographer , am looking forward to see your library
Thanks for your kind words
170s are nice. The one downside I see to them over a tube&fabric aircraft is that once damaged beyond a certain point , it's scrapped. And it doesn't take that much. A tube&fabric aircraft can be repaired fairly easily and cheaply. But the I'm biased; I make a living out of fixing other people's broken tube&fabric airplanes.
Congratulations, great videos
Hey you didn't say much about the 180/185, except that the 170 burns 7 gal/hr and that a lighter plane is more fun to fly. Cost probably also favors the 170 of course. Just curious if there were any other reasons.
180 feels like a 182 in the air, I already own a 182, so 170 feels different.
Your drone filming is spectacular! I'm 62 and will be taking a discovery flight in a Cessna 172 in a couple of weeks. I just love your Cessna 170. It's beautiful!
how did it go?
@@Dan007UT It was a great experience! CFI let me take the yoke for a bit of flying, and it's hard to describe the feeling until you actually do it.
@@Estebanserrano96 oh I know! I got my ppl a couple years ago. It's way fun
Riding that stall horn all the way down is both impressive and terrifying for me. Beautiful aircraft!
If you could fly up here in that gem and coach me for a hundred hours, that would be great. Even 4 hours would be incredible. I was told how to touch the intended spot. Huge improvement in less than one hour. Could never miss the spot again using up way too much runway. Also how everything should be set when established on final.
I don't know if that's the stall warning but that is straight annoying. the rest of the video is amazing flying.
Notice at about the 8:00 minute mark how smooth you are on the controls, nice and easy! You have an excellent touch! Love watching you fly, you are clearly "part" of the airplane! Too many
pilots today are ham fisted and simply do not appear as though they are as gentle on the controls as you are demonstrating! I hope others pick up on this visual cue and work to be as smooth on the controls as you are! Excellent piloting!
Thank you
Another great video. Whoever does your camera work deserves credit. It’s very well done.
I always want a B with 200 hp Lyc. 👍😎
Remarkble flying. You really like the stall warning while landing, right?
That is the way to land that plane. No stall warning, then you are too fast and will bounce a lot.
Great video as always. I was sad to see you go to the tailwheel side like all of the popular guys do. Lots of of tricycle guys enjoyed your videos of the 182.
I still have the 182, will be flying it in Costa Rica and central America.
Lots of real pilots will enjoy the 170 videos
@@landerryan1485 That’s fairly inaccurate. Guess all these fighter pilots flying tail dragger f16’s and F18’s aren’t real pilots. Who knew.
Awesome stuff Larry! I’ve been flying a 170B on edo floats for the last couple of weeks in Indiana. I miss flying with you in Washington, if you at every down in Florida I’ve got my 172 we can have some fun in.
Wow, what beautiful aerial footage! Very nice looking 170! Thanks for sharing!
I owned a 1954 Super C170B for about 16:years while I was living on the US Gulf Coast. I often took it in and out of some really short strips, but it was always at very low elevation runway.
My best trick way flying under every bridge between Slidell Louisiana and Appalachacola Florida...that the 170 would fit under.
A tricked out 170B is no match for a stock bare bones 180 period! Sticking a 180hp engine makes a fairly decent performer but I liken it to putting granite counter tops in a mobile home. If you look at the blister on the side cowling that is because you have to turn the engine in the engine compartment to change the thrust direction of the propeller because the rudder is inadequate for the amount of thrust an O360 or IO 360 provides. In regards to fuel economy, slowing a 180 down to cessna 170 speeds provides the same fuel economy without the benefit of much better performance with the 180. (a 170b is 35mph slower then a 180)In terms of weight, the 180 carries more safely. The only advantage with the 170B is the awesome over the nose visibility on approach. The supercub in regard to take off and landing blows the doors off a 170b 7 days a week and twice on sunday. They are not even in the same universe. However slower and cramped is spot on. Does this take away from the fact that this guy has a really nice capable 170b that does some really cool back country stuff? Nope. Just don't get drawn in to believing that a 170B with a 180hp engine will do what a 180 will do.
I like the lightweight feel of the 170, a 180 flies different, 170 approaches and lands slower, you can take it to smaller gravel bars , which is what I like to do.
In STOL contests the numbers of 170s take offs and landings are shorter than on 180s, I have my 182 when I want to carry heavy loads, maybe if I only can have one airplane then probably the 180.
@@motoadveBackcountry182 Thats because they land at min weights. The Valdez and other shows don't reflect real life performance. Take all of the airplanes that compete and make them land and takeoff at MAX weight and you will see much different outcomes.
@@scottnelson6293 Exactly my mission, lightweight to off airport fields and gravel bars, just flying for fun, I can also put two Mt bikes and a passenger which is another mission I do.
This is a plane to fly for fun for me, and the 170 is more fun to fly than the 180 IMHO.
Excelente video.!! Muchas gracias por la aclaración. Tenia esa duda entre las dos naves y me lo dejo muy claro. Gracias amigo y a seguir volando!
So, are we going to start calling the channel, back country 170?! Just kidding. Great content, always love watching the channel. I’ve owned a 1958 182a square tail with manual flaps for 27 years and that’s what I like about it. It has the light controls of a 172 with a 230 hp engine, but then again, it’s still tricycle.😎
170 is a sweet little bird! Only thing is I MUST have a constant speed prop, the extra performance and not having to run the engine as hard in cruise flight is well worth the expense and weight of the constant speed prop!
This 170 has a CS prop. Lycoming o-360 setup like a mooney m20c. 3 knobs inside view
What about a Stinson 108 series with a larger engine? Also how does the angle of attach differs from the aircraft you mentioned?
Larry great 170 is this a 172sp 180 hp engine io-360 but only with a constant speed prop? The Cessna 180 is a great plane but I guess fuel burn on this is a more economical advantage and was the best personal fit and choice for you.
Should have looked into a Maule! Absolutely love mine and storage/useful load is great, but I'm sure the 170 will suite your needs well.
Looked into a Maule, flown in one, cockpit is very tight for my taste.
@@motoadveBackcountry182 hmm, in what dimension?
the maule hands down
Nice video!!
come to belize with your 182
Teu cessna 182 e o 170 são lindos tu soube fazer eles tanto pintura como motor parabens
I’m a new owner of a 180hp 170b.
Great choice! Beautiful plane. Congratulations. Glad you will be flying the 182 in Costa Rica. I would still like to meet up with you sometime or have you come up to the lodge for a visit.
This was good. Thank you. You've helped me in deciding on a future investment.
When are you having your 182 back. I miss that plane
I miss it too, should be ready mid January
@@motoadveBackcountry182 Alright I’m getting excited to see the 182 flying again
Would love a walk through video of this beautiful machine!
Love your videos and just subscribed. I had a 170A for a few years, all stock, and really enjoyed it, and wish I'd have kept it. Now I'm considering a back country airplane, and really like the concept of the "Super 170". Since several items get changed (engine) or upgraded (panel, etc), would you recommend just finding a good 170B in terms of clean airframe, and not worry about engine time and avionics? Or would you have other things that should be considered when looking at 170B models?
Im a canadian I have a skymaster I have been thinking about flying to Mexico and trying to do some private charters do you have any tips for making money with a plane in that part of the world
So it is going to be Backcountry170? 👀
Im sure you would have made a great carrier pilot Love your 170B One of the coolest Ive seen
because 170 have lot cheapen than others, can buy 25k-55k used ready to fly plane ewerywere in usa.
Wow, stall warning over the water! Balls of steel my friend.
Interesting decision, thank you for taking the time to explain 👍👍
I’m glad I got my Tailwheel recurrent in the 170B model and with the 180 hp constant speed prop on the one that you have make a difference
I am also curious about the constant speed prop as you see both fixed and constant speed on the 180 hp conversions.
What about the Maule?
Not too many of these 170's being flown as serious back country airplanes.
You haven’t been to Alaska, have you?
Love that stall warning blaring constantly. You control the power perfectly in slow flight.
El cessna 180 con un motor 300hp. Es una bestia.
You have some serious flying skills 👍
Amazing video. Amazing plane. And even more amazing piloting.
Great video but I notice the birds don’t like you
Beautiful airplane. Congratulations on your purchase. Loved the video thankyou.
Beautiful and thank you. It’s also cool seeing the fish scatter from the gravel bar landings.
I needed this information. What a great video !
6:30. I don’t think people understand what you did here. That is truly impressive!
That was tight and also had a bump, a fun one.
@@motoadveBackcountry182 would love to see drone footage of the 170 operating on that bar! Thanks for posting the video!
@@akomara1 I flew alone to that gravel bar, if you see the take off was tight, I did not wanted the extra weight of another person .
@@motoadveBackcountry182 I agree. Hard to to tell but appears to be only around 4-500’ long to me. Again very impressive. Would be really cool to see It with a nice drone set to hover, and focus on the remote that would be in the plane with you. Again thanks for posting!
Backcountry 170…💪🏼😎
I would love to come out and fly with you anytime so I’ll just ride along in your videos
Never seriously thought about a 170 until this past month. The IO-360 sure helps this plane. Great landings in a great vid. Need a wing man? Jaja Stay safe.
Lycoming O-360. The IO-360 STC is for the six cylinder continental.
I liked this video.. However, its not really representative a stock 170 with the O-300. Maybe you should change the title to read "Why I chose a SUPER Cessna 170" I doubt you'd be able to do much of this stock. Still a nice video.
I think you'd be surprised what an O-300 170 can do with a seaplane prop. Especially one with the other STOL mods. An O-300 170B won light touring at Valdez a few years ago. Now Stephen Spence with his juiced up 172 has won a few years in a row.
She is a beauty looking forward to more adventures.
And your drone pilot is amazing!!!
Yes he is.
Wouldn’t a canard on the 182 enable a 10 kias less approach and landing speed than the 170, plus a few other advantages? Seems like “the perfect plane”
Still don't have the prop clearance and the nose wheel of the 182 is a weak point. I'm not sure there's a stand alone canard STC and only the King Katmai and I think one other specialty 182 have them. But I could be wrong. Tailwheels are better for off airport ops, no matter what you do to a nosewheel.
Great photography! Make plans to fly WY. Will host u at 46U…. Saludos, Tommy
Hi Tom, will look into it, thanks for the offer.
It is all about power to weight ratio.
Been a fan from the beginning. Best video ever!
Thanks
First!
Find any cartel wrecks?
Is it my imagination or are you carrying power until after the touchdown?
I carry power to stop sink rate and make the landing smooth
I was interested in a Piper Super Cub until I looked at the Price $tarting at $150,000! Not anymore! What a great plane here and it can seat up to 4... Nicer interior and great for the back country! 😉
Modified 170s like this one are starting to scratch at those prices too.
tremendo .vuelo en la patagonia hermoso como volas
That's a nice airplane you got there
Wow - impressive flying!
Good run down. I need to add a high wing to my stable and have been torn between all the models, spam can and exp. Im a devout io360 fan over any other engine so this was nice to hear about.
me too.
this is an 180 carbed
Awesome thanks man
Me like Cessna 170!
Those landings were amazing
Great stuff. Thanks for the show
Tailwheels are best
Very nice... 👍
Why not a maule?
Shes a Beaut!
172 pics
Sweet little bird.
Only have a few hours on the -170 but really nice airplane. I love yours!
Indeed I enjoyed watching this video. I admire your skill Larry landing and taking off those really tight river bank stream deposits. I'm learning to fly C170B on X-Plane 9. Tail draggers are really challenging. I will emulate how to land with the stall warning blaring. :-)
Awesome plane!!!
J'ai eu la chance de piloter quelque année C-FZZF Cessna170B 1956 quel plaisir que du bon temps
Excelente! Great video with clear reasoning for your choices.
Very nice choice!
Such a gorgeous plane. The 180hp 170 is such the perfect platform for multiple missions
Dude! That 170 is a beautiful plane! Incredible footage and flying skills!
Great video!
Wow!)
i think a zenith 750 SD would work great for these types of missions ., and COST a whole fuck of alot less
Idoloooooo
Great video. Excellent job. Thanks for sharing.
If you want to impress me, show me what you can do with a Cherokee 180 in the backcountry
Larry, love watching your videos, always very professional and great entertainment. Super choice on the C170…always had a feeling you would get into a tail dragger.
amazing
Amazing!
you are a very good pilot , i didnt know we cant fly back country in costa rica. i like your video !
Second!
Wow, you earned a sub.
Awesome footage and smooth flying.