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@@Tom_NicholasTom would you ever do a video that actually goes in depth on nebulas legal structure? Every time I try to find out from Dave Wiskus if all the creators actually have equity or if they just have a contract I can’t get a straight answer.
@@marchelandersen6839What do you mean? The Last Glacial Period occured 115,000 and 11,700 years ago? We’ve been out of it for years. Yeah plants die without CO2 but the excess emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity is intensifying the greenhouse effect and leading to global warming which will cause them (and us) to die regardless.
So, I'm a trucker in the U.S. If you are unaware, several Amazon facilities were in protest for last few weeks, and on strike. Well, I happen to live near those facilities and frequently received pre-plans to pick up loads going to and from those facilities. I rejected ALL of them. Almost got in trouble for it. In trucker circles, I was hit with the usual racist slurs, and assumptions that I'm an illegal immigrant (I'm a black American citizen lol, probably about as Murican' as it gets personality wise lol), and I haven't stopped getting messages about it. Good thing I haven't hooked up my radio in this truck yet lol. I lost a LOT of money. I'm dirt poor and every little bit helps. But the broader context was to me, far more important. I just wish that others felt the same.
All these comments and likes and not a single argument as to why the novel issue of this kind of public disorder shouldn't be dealt with using legal territory. So many memes and smoke and mirrors. It's easy to be a critic when you don't have any real opinion or position on anything bar the vague bandwagon-ing you see online
No, it was public opinion and public disruption that drove the law change. Most people want people who disrupt their lives to face legal consequences. Oil companies dont care.
That's not Direct Action, it's protesting. Direct Action is a specific form of protest when you take action against the people who have the power to give you what you want. It's not just raising awareness or being disruptive or even using violence; it's targeted action directed at the people with power. That's the key. It's not just about the action, but who that action is directed towards, with the tactical aim of getting prompt and tangible results. Examples would be like blocking a mine, damaging a power station or dumping oil on a PM's front yard. The *targeted action* has to *directly affect* the people with the power to do what you want.
To quote a comment I saw just below yours: "I'm not a fan of the way just stop oil use the term "direct action" in my opinion it is a misuse because symbolic protest actions are anything but direct. That doesn't mean it can't have its place or serves no good purpose, but direct action is when you're addressing a problem directly. It's cleaning up a dumpster without a municipality or directly blocking access to private planes or cruise ships, because they are the problem itself or at least part of it. Breaking the glass around the magna Carta, spraying paint etc. Are all symbolic actions, not direct actions." by @FriendlyCobblestone DA does not have to target people in power, it means using the power you yourself or the groups you are a part of have to directly change things in the world.
Regardless of whatever you feel about the efficacy or convenience of nonviolence protest movements, EVERYONE should be concerned with how quickly the UK and US justice systems moved to become way more authoritarian and fascist in response to environmental and racial justice protests in the past five years. Considering the way RICO charges are being abused against the Stop Cop City protesters in Atlanta, this is an issue we need to be openly criticizing - instead of bellyaching over inconveniences and philosophical differences in nonviolent protest.
England esecially so, thanks to the legacy culture of the peerage and the monarchy. They still have enshrined in law the idea that some people are better than others.
@@kevoreilly6557 thanks for the thoughtful and relevant response. I’ll be thinking about this for a long time - lots to ponder. Maybe you’ll figure out how to read by then.
@@ethanduncan1646 you have a fair point, it ain't necessarily fascist as it isn't hypernationalist authoritarianism but it is authoritarianism, as seemingly people can't even protest somewhat peacefully, and the police have been granted further liberties to arrest people for being a bit distruptive.
as a former security guard (for seven years); we do not want to do work. "if you'd like me to leave, I'll do that" means literally minimum work for us. I'll be honest mate, lying to security in that manner is perfect.
@@oatdilemma6395Or maybe security isn't supposed to be the police, but works more as a deterrent? Think. Or maybe working class people are alienated from their work and dont actually care if you disrupt their work?
I don’t even think they are more controversial depending on how one looks at it. Apart from the people who get paid by them only a handful of lefties care (or know) about the Koch brothers. Meanwhile everyone and their dog has an opinion on JSO not destroying a painting.
It is a thin line between aggressive activism and terrorism. In Bavaria there is a group that sabotages green energies. They collapsed a windmill (not a small one!) and destroyed several hundred of solar panels. They have not been caught yet.
@@btarczy5067 Oh I dunno, they set up several foundations which fund various arts and humanities projects back in the day in order to massage the negative perception of their name. They were broadly pretty good at managing their image up until David died in 2019. Even today Charles does some seemingly out there stuff, like, he's a major funder and proponent of efforts to legalize cannabis federally. I'd argue that's a pretty strong recipe for "controversial" as, depending on how much you know about him, where you know the name from and depending on your political disposition, you're going to hate his guts or else be confused about why anybody would.
The symbolic destruction of the glass shielding the Magna Carta got everyone's balls in a twist, but nobody batted an eye at several successive years of the Tories destroying the actualy rights enshrined within it. It'll always make me giggle when they call JSO 'performative activism' when their selective anger epitomises it.
@@deeznoots6241So we should just abolish the notion of it or any unifying legal code then? I would rather have a flawed and outdated rule of law over no rule of law, without one, we get dangerously close to justifying tyranny without a point we won't back against. "Oh the electric chair for JSO protesters? Well it certainly would save us money feeding and housing those lowlifes!"
@@deeznoots6241 sometimes, you should consider thinking before you talk. If you had thought for even a single moment, you'd recognize that it was a SYMBOLIC GESTURE. Jesus Christ 🙄 P.S. you didn't even say anything untrue, it's just that they aren't relevant either. Nothing you said changes the reality that there _are_ rights enshrined in the Magna Carta (even if we don't "use" it anymore), nor do they change the reality that it was a _symbolic gesture._
You didnt explain what rights were enshrined in the magna carta. A third party, i know little about british history and would have appreciated a discussion instead of an eyerolling rant. I bet the other person had indeed thought about the document for more than a single moment before forming their opinion on it being supposedly overhyped. May i ask politely, what rights are enshrined in the magna carta? What does it symbolize, and how? And why might someone critical call it “overhyped”?
There's only 4 originals in existence and one is badly damaged. You do realize that any light or oxygen exposure would damage it right? There's people who's entire lives are and have been dedicated to preserving historically significant works. Just because you don't care about the document doesn't mean it is in any way acceptable to try to destroy one of 3 readable originals of a historically significant text. The symbolism is "we want to rob future generations of valuable texts." That's not deep. That's just doing to history what climate change is doing to the planet and it loses people.
I'm not a fan of the way just stop oil use the term "direct action" in my opinion it is a misuse because symbolic protest actions are anything but direct. That doesn't mean it can't have its place or serves no good purpose, but direct action is when you're addressing a problem directly. It's cleaning up a dumpster without a municipality or directly blocking access to private planes or cruise ships, because they are the problem itself or at least part of it. Breaking the glass around the magna Carta, spraying paint etc. Are all symbolic actions, not direct actions.
Yeah I had that thought too. They might be trying to be a nuisance, but their strategy still boils down to asking the powers that be to do something that goes against their interests, just slightly less than nicely. It's 1-2 steps above "write your representative." I can't fault them for trying to do SOMETHING, but yeah I'm not sure this is gonna work.
@fearsomefawkes6724 Are you suggesting that it is completely fine for me o destroyed whatever I want as long as I can fabricate an excuse in the form of activism? Did you find the recent outbreak of riots across the UK activism as well?
Because instead of targeting oil and finance and politicians, they targeted working people. The unpopularity of these protests helped those laws escape public backlash. If these people aren't plants, they're utterly misguided.
I agree, but Roger Hallam and other JSO activists planning to and attempting (but failing) to block the M25 circular route in calculated positions so the whole route would be "Filled with cars" and "Back up onto all the other motorways and all the other A roads", which would stop almost everyone and everything from getting in or out of London by car for multiple days, then claiming it was a "peaceful protest" isn't helping with that. JSO's other protests aren't too bad, but blocking traffic (especially trying to do it on this scale) does more harm than good.
@@lentilsoup460the M25 and all the other A roads being blocked and backed up would be an awesome achievement!! Although a quick glance at some stats randomly for 2017 suggests that London traffic management causes far more issues than JSO could ever dream of 😂 : “1.35 million traffic jams in past year (2017) have cost the economy a total of £9 billion” Source INRIX.
@@fluffskunk Exactly, and they made it so nobody can talk about climate action without it being derailed into a discussion on JSO because they know as soon as it goes there if you say anything supportive of JSO you lose one side and if you condemn them, you lose the other. (And because nuance is dead if you try to go down the middle you lose everyone) They've absolutely been one of the most damaging things for climate activism in a long time.
Yeah it's crazy. It's almost like someone is paying these people to lower public opinion of protestors so that they can push through these draconian laws.
This topic often reminds me of things relating to MLK and Malcolm X, and the effectiveness of having multiple distinct groups who take varying methods to hand for an important matter. (edit is to correct spelling of Malcolm X's name, as somehow that mistake had slipped past me on initial posting. Thank you for bringing it to my attention)
Interesting video but I wish you included a more critics with different perspectives. JSO is both criticised by liberals and more radical leftists and I wish you included the perspective of the latter. I feel like more radical leftists take issue with JSO because their strategies are ineffective and very middle class. Especially throughout this video, I feel like JSO over estimates the value art has in our society, especially amongst the ruling class. The majority aren't outraged at JSO's actions because they consider art to be important to society but because certain art is considered rare and expensive and has perceived value. But ultimately, it's very low on people's list of priorities especially when you're struggling to make ends meet. I also think getting arrested on purpose is a largely stupid strategy in current climate. Through arrests, you lose activists and what is the point of wasting police time if you're not using that time to do something else. JSO and XR's impact on spurring on anti-protest laws have also shown the negative impact this has caused. While not climate activism, groups like PAL action who also focus on direct action have had much more progress with their goals. They have directly stopped operations at Elbit systems multiple times, causing the company to lose money and close offices. These activists also get arrested but with each action there is a clear result. This is something I cannot see with JSO. Breaking the casing to the Magna Carta, does not directly contribute to stopping oil. I also think JSO overestimate the importance of the media. While media can be used to recruit activists (whether those who commit direct actions or protestors) and can put some pressure on governments, I don't think it's the most effective method. Looking at PAL action again, they’re covered a lot less by the media but have been achieving their goals while also gaining support. It forces me to ask, why does JSO target art but not oil companies? Why is JSO's direct action so indirect?
Notably, the only times civil action has caused actual stoppage in oil production is when there has been far more radical action taken. Direct sabotage of oil infrastructure stopped the oil sector in Iran leading up to the revolution, as one prime example. The motivation wasn't climate activism, and the saboteurs weren't older white grandmas with upper middle class jobs - they were communist militias. By sabotaging oil pipelines, they made the economic risk of continuing production in Iran not worth the potential profits, so international companies withdrew their operations. Western climate activism has been so enamoured by the liberal idea of non-violence, they are unable to even consider actions the media would call violent (like blowing up pipelines or refineries) - even if it is still only property damage.
i also just think they publicly present very little to add to the conversation about how to tackle climate change. they’re not so stupid to believe we can “just stop oil” without living standards plummeting for the overwhelming majority of the world, but the way they present themselves makes almost everyone just think “ok, well you haven’t got any ideas of what we’re supposed to do, i guess we’ll just move on with our day”
This is such a good point. The video really lacked any kind of meaningful critique of JSO's approach and tactics. Agree that it is very middle class. Disappointing that Tom didn't include interviews with leaders of other activist groups and present some alternative options.
The thing is though, I've heard of JSO, I've never heard of PAL. Making one company lose a few million dollars is not going to be anymore effective than a handful of people personally changing their lifestyle to reduce their carbon footprint. It is only governmental and intergovernmental action that will stop climate change one company or one individual is just a drop in the bucket. The mines / drilling rights will just be bought by a different company and operations restarted.
No disrespect, but I'd rather have them throw orange paint and glue themselves on corporate buildings or CEO's mansions instead. IMO, going after artwork or historical artifacts which have public and/or historical value feels super cheap to me.
@@A_B_1917yeah the only one that got coverage was when they went after Sunak’s mansion. And that was because he was PM rather than because of being rich.
I despise Slacktivists, especially road blockers. But I swear, said no more about the media cabals are in cahoots with Megacorps. They not only want to kill us but also make our lives miserable at it.
It's not just the media. These buffoons stopped the ambulance taking my sister to hospital after she was stabbed. She died in the ambulance.I'm sure they felt so good about that, I didn't.
you people really dont get that the media is making publicity for them? if the media really hate someone they dont talk about them. from what ive seen the mainstream media is very friendly with eco activism. the green agenda is a government/mainstream agenda. but its cute that you think you are revolutionaries.
They have a lot of problems though. I can understand throwing paint on stonehenge, destroying art or damaging the magna carta since it doesn't harm anyone. But they did not need to plan and attempt to block the entire M25 motorway and surrounding roads in claculated positions to fill the 'whole circular route' with cars and try to stop almost anyone or anything getting in or out of London by car for 4 days. That would've caused extreme disruption, including food shortages and likely multiple deaths from postponing medical treatment or medication.
It sounds quite flippant in comparison to the police response in germany. Here the police have developed specific ways to twist arms and even jaws so that the victim feels pain and is unable to do things, for months after they have been released. And the officers applying those tactics state this often in front of camera.
Wow when I sat down to watch this video I certainly didn't expect to see my ex employer in it, let alone find out he's now amassed a criminal record and become co-founder of JSO in the meantime. But then, it doesn't REALLY surprise me either.
that sponsor at the end - A lifetime subscription? I have a vague memory of hearing of such a thing in the ancient past. I believe it was called 'actually owning something' or something like that.
@@cheesusabidas77 It's called a LIFETIME subscription because, and I'm paraphrasing from Nebula's website: "You will have it as long as you and Nebula both exist." It would be a lawsuit if they took it away after that, and not one they could ever feasibly win. Not that they would do that in the first place. For the record, Nebula isn't a predatory corporation. It's a co-op that the workers (in this case the content creators) collectively run. It isn't beholden to capital in the same way many other companies are.
37:54 No, working class people can make political change by organizing with their coworkers, forming or joining a union if you don’t already have one, or strengthening and radicalizing your union if you do have one, and striking.
@@conormurphy4328A diversity of tactics is important. Equally important; is understanding what objects you are defending. Yes the artwork is a priceless window into the past. Its also how trust fund babys of billionaires avoid paying taxes. Frankly, those are the people in control now, not our goverments.
@@AnonymousAnarchist2 I think coordinated targets are also very important. You can't pick any random thing, but specific things. People have a hard time associating historical pieces of art, with big oil. It's hard to see it as reasonable because of that.
Well I would love to become an activist, but since I have another passport, our glorious UK government can take away my citizenship and deport me at the slightest disobedience... I guess we die.
@@dredzik My gran was in the same boat during the protests over the war in Iraq. She was deeply upset over both of her home countries engaging in imperialism and a quagmire of a war, but if she engaged in any direct action she would run the risk of being deported and separated from the majority of her family.
Reading recommendation: Civil Resistance: What Everyone Should Know. The book is based on significant up to date research and really does not support the tactics of this group. Civil resistance needs to A) deny those in power something they need and B) get the public on your side. These protests do neither. Attention alone is not the goal. Change is the goal. Raising awareness is not needed here. People already know climate change is a problem. What you need is to change policy, not get people to know about it. Although they eventually failed, the pipeline protests in the US were MUCH better thought out and they did have a significant impact, delaying the pipeline construction and changing public opinions about it, which impacted the way lawmakers fight about it. It changed the priority in the government.
@@TealJosh What you said doesn't contradict what I said. (Not saying you necessarily intended it to, though it sounded to me like you did.) You don't need to have the people on your side at the start, but yes, the government brutalizing people does get people who weren't previously on your side to join it. This is a very common and effective goal of a lot of sit ins, die ins, and other civil resistance intended to provoke a response. But those things need to be well thought out. In particular, I question the theory of change here. The tactic of provoking a police response to get the public on your side is commonly done when the public don't already agree with you mainly because they don't know the extent of your oppression. That is not the case here. Climate activists aren't being oppressed, the planet is. And people are petty aware of that fact and already agree. Further, the things that make the most news are not likely to do that job anyway. Throwing soup on art and getting taken away quietly by police is not exactly like seeing firehoses and dogs used against peaceful protesters during the civil rights era. Awareness isn't the need and the optics move people away from wanting to help instead of towards it. Some of JSO actions are well thought out. The ones that are the highest profile often are not and they often overshadow the ones that would otherwise be more effective. I hadn't seen anything on defacing Taylor Swift's plane. That is better thought out. It directly denies her ability to use it for a short time, raises awareness of a facet that people don't know, and it doesn't alienate a lot of people. Better to do it to other billionaires first and then Swift later showing that billionaires who are a problem can even include people you like. That's more thought provoking. Mass demonstrations with hundreds of arrests are also more effective. And JSO does that. But it gets overshadowed by the counterproductive things they do. And if you want to show police overreacting because of climate change in a way that moves the needle, I would look into climate refugees in the UK right now. It would be a big ask for them to get involved because of the real risks for them. But that would be powerful. Something that actually shows why many people have come and why many more will move North because their homelands are increasingly becoming uninhabitable. That might motivate people who currently don't care about the issue to push even the conservatives.
@@TealJoshIt's not civility politics to say jso has poorly thought out protests that aren't effective in distributing their message. If we cared about "civility" why would we be talking about the pipeline protests having been an example of effective disruptive protest. Any protest is not good protest, sometimes it's dumb and poorly thought out.
I mean, you're talking about it, so I'd say they're succeeding. And climate activists ALSO disrupt what the powerful need. I work with a bunch of XR activists in New Zealand who have stopped Coal Trains, who have disrupted Cruise Ship conferences. We do both. Also the public were against Civil Rights, Suffrage, and Abolitionist protestors, does that make them wrong? Are you going to tell me the Suffragettes and Abolitionists weren't doing their job right?
My big problem with the type of activism JSO does is that I don't think targeting cultural marks or pieces of art, isn't something that I think oil companies or the government in most cases The Magna Carta stunt to me is more effective, I think. But for instance the Stonehenge spray thing to me is not about attacking the government or universities that actually fund the oil companies. It's a stunt for the stunt of a stunt. I guess the idea was "These stoned will be destroyed either way if we don't save the planet", but I don't think "So if you think these are important and don't want them to be destroyed stop oil companies" isn't coming across when the direct action against them being deytroyed in the moment is arresting the protestors. I am all for the end of fossil fuels and I am personally in favor of my countries' green party, because of how I think the climate is a big problem of our world. But the way JSO is advocating for this cause feels on the one hand indirect in the way I think really matter and too direct in ways I think it doesn't Also and this beyond the cause of JSO (and more from me as an artist), but I think it makes Van Gogh more sad to me inagine that man that didn't make a living from his art, who continued to do art in spite of that, who died poor and being deemed crazy. Whose art after death not just became a symbol for the super rich, but also then to be thrown at with soup. I don't want to speculate how Van Gogh would feel about that, but I hope this will never with my art after I am gone
I agree with their methods but HIGHLY disagree with their targets. They go after cultural artifacts that the rich don't actually care about personally aside from monetary value. They're damaging and destroying things that have intense emotional value even without capitalism. Intangible cultural artifacts are as untouchable to me as walking up to a random working class child and decking them because some rich people love their own kids. They should be directly targeting the assets and posessions of those who actually have any power in this game. Punishing archeologists does nothing but generate intense public hatred, which massively massively damages their reach and wastes their own time.
I mean for context, I have heard of Just Stop Oil, I haven't heard of the Climate Majority Project before. Unfortunately radical, disruptive action is the only thing that works
I really want to ask you, partially because I want to know too, what other options are there to stop this crisis which are as efficient as these are.@@Flexsan
@@Flexsan There's radical action that targets people with power and their wealth, and there's radical action that just gets you attention. JSO and Tom don't want you to know there's a difference. These "activists" are constantly attacked from their left and Tom ignores those criticisms entirely.
@@fluffskunk Yes. It's funny how JSO supporter often invoke the "disruptive" Civil Rights movement and MLK's personal unpopularity at his death, but leave out the parts where MLK and key figures (another difference-- a clear, unified and politically expedient power structure, with grassroots elements falling in line!) would tailor their protests to fit the audience (middle class white dudes) and make themselves appear both relatable and the "normal" ones. I.e. they would pay for suits, so when black people peacefully and calmly were sitting peacefully in a white only area, they would garner significant sympathy when the police responded harshly. Even when MLK blocked roads, this was in pre-planned protests organized with gov forewarning, and enough numbers of people planning to go and political support to make it hard to block. Even then, the structure of the group enabled them to avoid people spilling over-- blocking whole communities-- becoming violent, etc. And, of course, they did not camp on the roads. They marched as a group to a place, a symbol, where political power was convened or centralized, making clear demands, sharing their own experiences and gaining media attention. Sure, there are those that will oppose any protest group for being disruptive-- but the extent does indeed matter when trying to win over (a plurality of) voters.
Why are you sorry to the guard? Tried to get you to delete the video, to hell with them. Your conduct was pretty much good, as someone who filmed the demonstration, you're not there to explain things to some hired muscle who will immediately forget it, you just need to bounce ASAP with your recording intact. Ideally, upload it before you can be stopped.
yeah nowadays you can at least sometimes in theory backup your recording before going through security one of hte very very very few good things "the cloud" got us
This. That guard is a traitor to other humans and also a criminal attempting to extrajudicially destroy evidence. He should be detained until he can be proven to no longer be morally deficient.
I would add though that this guy may not be 100% cognizant of laws in the UK, his accent makes me think he might be an immigrant just trying to hold onto a job. He should not have tried to get Tom to delete the footage, but I think there may be a backstory there that we can have a measure of sympathy for. I'm much more likely to blame any boss of theirs that indicated that they should ask the question.
@@sarahwatts7152 While I see your point and we should show solidarity for everyone in tough conditions, it's pretty well established that "just following orders" isn't acceptable. We all make decisions, and this guard decided to try to intimidate someone for filming. Don't make excuses for people who carry out evil, or people will convince themselves it's okay to act like this. It's not. Don't follow orders. You're responsible for your actions.
The "Just Stop Oil's Critics" section with the Climate Majority guy is completely flaccid, and I think it's a real shame that his view was the only one in this segment. In particular, I think the absence of criticisms of JSO from their left (such as Andreas Malm's famous points in How To Blow Up A Pipeline, which I'm surprised got no mention here, at least 40 minutes in) is really conspicuous.
Agreed. It's a shame that JSO is presented as the most radical version of direct action. There's so many more issues with JSO beyond "they turn people away", they're methods are not effective and the organisation as a whole is very white and middle class.
Actually it's kind of predictable. If he did cover something like that, TH-cam *at best* would immediately demonitize the video, at worst would take down the video entirely. Also it's not unreazonable to avoid te**orism adjacent actions in a discussion about the nature of awareness protests.
This is fascinating. Tom constantly being surprised by the "cool as cucumber" demeanor of these ladies is funny; they have lived their lives, and by all accounts, they've lived good ones. They can be calm knowing they won't have to inherit the world our generation will be stuck with. Even a stint in jail won't rattle them. They're fighting for a future they will not see. We get the future playground of the actions of today: we should be nervous.
I agree, we all should be nervous. However, I don't think these women aren't as nervous as Tom because they are elderly, at least that's not the main reason. As someone who participates in political protests that are more direct and dangerous, you just grow committed to the cause. You understand that, in order to change the state of the world, the government will take repressive measures against you and your organisation. You also know that you have your comrades with you along the way who have your back, sometimes literally if the police want to break up your protest, for example. All these things contribute to a calm feeling that mutes out the nervousness. Source: I and most people in my political organisation all feel that way, for those reasons.
The old women probably come across as cool as a cucumber because they’re mentally not all there. They’re probably blissfully unaware the police and legal system don’t support them and would put them in prison for what is literally criminal damage and vandalism. They’re probably not thinking their actions through. Regarding the girl at 28:25, does she realise that if she has a criminal record for t*****ism offences, she would be barred from working in many software and engineering roles. Does she realise it would be a red flag on a background check?
While we hear a lot about boomers in a bad way, I think some of them get a bad rap. Especially the younger ones. Same with the younger generations. We tend to forget that many of the younger boomers were hippies. They're responsible for STARTING environmental movements. I think many younger boomers are closer to gen z and alpha than they realize.
You came so close to getting it. Generations are fake, morality does not belong to the young. You have more in common, politically, with a working class boomer than a wealthy gen z. it's *class*, not age
Aren’t hippies the old boomers? My father was in his teens in the late 60s/early to mid 70s which means he’s 70 now and was too young to really have been a hippie anyway who are now about 80.
They weren't arrested for fighting fossil fuels, they were arrested for vandalism. Defacing artwork and monuments won't do anything to reduce fossil fuel usage, the only thing it will do is make eco-activists look like clowns.
"If it wasn't for the unrelenting disruptions and inconvenience inflicted upon the general public that was caused by the brave men and women in , none of this would have been possible!" - said no one ever.
@@sirtra Well it's a good thing they aren't unrelenting then, isn't it? Unlike the collapse of our environment, protesting does take breaks. and if you're looking for examples contrary to your statement, civil rights movement, women's suffrage, union strikes, etc. Sure would be nice if such inconveniences would never have had to been a thing. But unfortunately when some people in power get greedy, they don't listen. And if it wasn't for people taking that power back, you indeed would be in a worse place than you are now. Especially if you're in the US. Even the Civil war was fought by a bunch of people seen as troublemakers.
@@jacqdanieles I wonder how people managed before cars were in widespread use. Take the train? Oh, that's a non-starter, because Maggie Thatcher demolished your public transport? Recognize a pattern? Oil and its allies make it impossible to get off the drug. You are the addict. Congratulations.
There's a certain irony to the Just Stop Oil spokesman having an image of massive amounts of concrete on the wall behind him, given the climate issues arising from concrete manufacture.
In Australia recently, some protesters attempted to spray paint the wall outside the CEO of Woodside's house. A non-violent protest. They were arrested on arrival and the ABC journalists who were filming the action were coerced to give all their footage to the police. The ABC did not legally have to provide the footage to the police, but they keeled over and did so, and it was used against the protesters in court, I believe. We live in an age where corporate interests are protected by the police and citizens' rights to protest and critique those interests are eroded to the point of being non-existent. The protesters were arrested before they had even done anything, for trespassing - on a section of the driveway belonging to the council verge, not private property. What a joke.
@@rhythmandblues_alibi bug fucking yikes Corporate overlords are to mighty Capital interest is being protected above actual people Late Stage capitalism is fucked
This brings to mind a rather specific and OLD body of research of movements, in particular "The Propaganda of the Deed" in which by doing something, anything, a movement hopes to garner momentum by any means necessary.
44:40 I hope this was sarcasm, because the actual response is DON'T TALK TO COPS! This includes security guards and anyone else talking on a similar role.
Ong how is no one else pointing this out. COPS ARE NOT YOU'RE FRIENDS! DON'T TELL THEM ANYTHING WHATSOEVER! I wouldn't tell security guards anything either but still be more cooperative, unless you suspect them of snitching you out. After all they are actually paid for keeping the place secure, not for whatever they can get away with, like the cops.
An ex security guard says they don’t wanna be told what’s going on either. I imagine NUJ has it as policy to identify yourself as a journalist when asked though, and that’s more who his apology is pointed towards. (Maybe I should look up whether that’s actually policy or not though.)
24:16 The headline "Liam Gallagher issues warning to Just Stop Oil after Stonehenge stunt" makes it seem as if Liam Gallagher is the true leader of the UK lmao
No, dont explain. If you dont need to explain, if you dont have to explain, dont answer questions from 'security'. He cant ask you to delete footage, and you owe them nothing.
I met quite a lot of people associated with JSO when I worked at a Students Union and afterwards in my local community the main thing that always strikes me is that they are some of the kindest, friendliest and most thoughtful people you could meet
When I did animal welfare, I knew plenty of wonderfully nice animal rights activists. I can also tell you that their tactics often were harmful to the cause though.
@@dismurrart6648 I think JSO's tactics are a response to big media being corporate owned and thus not giving much coverage to non-controversial actions and, without coverage, you can't really spread a message. So, i would say this stuff might be actually a cold logic calculated thing of purposefully doing bad protests to get people to talk about, providing a chance to spread the message
@Alex-cq1zr so I was an activist for a good decade. I've seen variations of these tactics plenty of times. People get the idea of no such thing as bad publicity. What they end up doing though is coming off like children and alienating the public. It also makes your request a threat. "I will keep destroying things you love and disrupt your life until you fix the planet." Currently, my activism is climate activities. I'm working to mobilize people to plant native species, learning how to do it myself and I'm going to work to get my yard certified as a wildlife habitat. Beyond that, I buy chemicals and work to get reliance on more sustainable options. It's actually going pretty well because the industry all the way up to big oil has clued into the public wants green alternatives. An exec at chevron literally said "if you as a company don't go green now, your company will die within 5 years." Which brings me back to JSO. These tactics aren't effective because they're targeting the wrong people. When peta threw paint at celebrities in furs, it worked because it targeted the problem, made celebs afraid to wear fur, and thus made fur less sexy to wear. When you try to destroy art in public collections or get a big bike race called off halfway through, you're throwing paint at people who aren't even wearing fur to stop the wearing of fur.
@Alex-cq1zr their tactics are old as dirt and only really work when you target the group doing the bad actions. What they're doing here is holding public art and important documents hostage until people get on board with climate change being a thing. That's how regular people see it. ExxonMobil itself puts significant money into pretending to be green so society is already on board. That's why people reacted favorably to them trying to deface taylor swifts jet but not to them getting a bike race canceled.
Honestly I think we need both approaches: some radical action is good to grab attention and keep a conversation going, but you also need less radical activists that politicians and ordinary people are actually willing to sit down and talk with, or hear out their points rationally. I don't think one can work without the other though: either it's too radical and you just piss everyone off, or it's too mild and everyone ignores you.
Exactly. It’s been known by many movements for a long time, you need the radicals and then you need the “reasonables”. The former without the latter doesn’t go anywhere, but so does the latter without the former. The latter without the former is completely ignorable. The former without the latter has no mechanism to push beyond their protests. I don’t know if JSO is coordinating with “reasonable” groups to get the talking points in the right place, or if they’re just hoping the media conversation will steer the moderates, and that really is the key to my assessment of their efficacy. Unfortunately part of the MO of movements is to make the “reasonable outsiders”, well, that. Open public collaboration ruins the two-pronged attack.
I'm surprised Tom never asked the obvious question: why not focus these actions on government and corporate locations actually associated directly with maintaining the status quo for fossil fuels?
I mean, they kinda did. A protest at an oil plant is barely going to get any relevant media coverage. Those happen pretty often by a lot of different groups, how many did you hear about or even remember this year alone? Cultural disruption is unfortunately more attention-grabbing, which means more of a hassle to the government. Adding to that, vandalism damages are a blip for multi-billion dollar companies, as long as there's no media coverage they don't care. To achieve the same goals by only targeting coorporations/governments, they'd probably have to rise to the level of eco-terrorism, which I think everyone agrees it's a bad idea.
He answers this question in the video; it's mentioned that direct action on oil-related facilities does not generate the media focus the strategy relies on.
Imagine, the law that is throwing activists into jail for years literally has in its name the word "nuisance". "a person, thing, or circumstance causing inconvenience or annoyance." Years in jail for being a nuisance, not even a repeated nuisance, for being a single, limited time, nuisance.
Once upon a time having a social conscience was seen as a good thing. Sadly now having an iphone and finding your appropriate niche in a downhill spiralling world is what many folks aim for.
The whole time I was watching this I had this question in the back of my head about why they don't try to protest or disrupt things that actually involve the people running oil. Even that one younger member of JSO had to stop herself from saying "harmed" and switch to "disrupt", and I can accept disruption if it's putting direct pressure (like the writers' strikes) but the materiel actions of their stunts don't go beyond inconveniencing people. I think her response to a Police Officer saying he used to be a climate scientist to just go back to that job was understandable but frustrating. I want to know why he became an officer, because that could easily be a practical or financial decision and whether he agrees with their methods or not is a question worth asking. The fact that they're comfortable enough to talk to the police kind of indicates to me they feel a level of safety in their actions most protestors don't, although on another level I wish everyone could feel that free to have a conversation like that without fear. From this video it just seems like they defaced some artifacts rich people don't give a shit about and interrupted a performance of Les Mis. I was hoping that at least someone watching the show was a bigshot politician or oil baron but there was no mention of that. I don't understand their rationale for that target. And to be blunt from someone who agrees with their end goal I feel like most of their attempts at symbolic actions are muddled - maybe interrupting a musical with an arguably whitewashed view of leftism says something, but Stonehenge is just a historical site associated with a dead religion and Van Gogh was a poor, mentally ill Dutch artist whose work sells for millions now.
Just stop oil protesters will be the first to tell you to read “how to blow up a pipeline” and the last to understand why pipelines are the example target. Not that I agree with the book at all.
In the US, I bet we see a large scale eco terrorist event within the next 2 years and it helps escalate the authoritarian cause of the conservative minority. Its going to be a rough few years.
This is exactly what I've always wanted to know about Just Stop Oil and similar groups! Thank you for putting this information together in an accessible format!
I saw a comment that discussed the thought about that oil companies might pay just stop oil to make people dislike oil protests more. And tbh.. that would make more sense
If that was true, we would know. There's too many people involved to keep something like that secret. Remember, every person involved in a conspiracy doubles the odds of it being uncovered.
This was a 10/10 video on the subject. You squeaked into every little nuance of the topic. I especially loved how honest you were about how terrifying it can be taking part in something like that. Fantastic job, will definitely be sharing this one!
I just don't see the value in antagonizing the Average Joe. It gives more ammunition for those who want to shut you down AND makes those who you inconvenienced cheer. This display is also ironic: Two old people use energy ineffectively against the protections set up by those in power. Almost as Ironic as the government system that caused the worst environment for workers and cause the most death by starvation using tools of the trade to represent them.
Disrupt and annoy common folk: Okay Prevent ambulances to reach patients: Okay Destroy art: Okay Slightly discomfort private lifes of politicans: Out of question Slightly discomfort private lifes of petro industry CEOs: Out of question
This is so true lmao, I commented under one of their protests, spraying the orange cornflower on a royal billionaire wedding, and people are MAD at me, comments still come after 2 months and people still slide into my DM's calling me slurs 😂. They're billionaires, they'll be fine lmao.
The ambulance story was disinformation spread by right-wing news outlets. The ambulances were not late, and there was a helicopter anyway Also, no art is being destroyed. If you look real close, you can see there's protective glass around it
Change starts with organizing. Protests draw attention, but organizing is the real threat to the ruling class that makes them actually listen, however temporarily and however little. That's also why organizing needs to revolve around democracy, not specific issues; let protesters draw attention to the issues that the organized people talk about how to address. A society organized around (common, not the fraud called "representative") democracy has the power to change the systems of political and economic governance themselves, without the "thoughts and prayers" approach of asking the rulers to do the right thing on your behalf. They may control the state, but you can take over local government, local economies, and branch outwards until your movement controls everything, and from there the ruling class has no choice other than to take the people seriously. But that can't be the goal. That has to be a stepping stone towards full democratization, towards overthrowing the ruling class entirely through that democratic organization's efforts (violent revolutions won't fix things, they will merely change who stands at the top, and it will never be the people themselves. At "best" it will be individuals whose "hearts are in the right place," but who, because the SYSTEMS don't change to require democracy, don't represent anyone but themselves and their own ideas) so that their interests no longer dictate national, foreign, and economic policy.
People are organising, some of them the same ones doing these kinds of protest. Look up Assemble or similar citizens assembly groups, it's not that people aren't trying, it just doesn't get into the media for people to hear about
You've proven how poor the security has been in public buildings. Like you, I was astonished why the building wasn't simply shut down and everyone cleared out within 5 minutes by an emergency alarm.
absolutely fantastic video. you showcase an instance of the topic of discussion at length, you give the inciting actors full time to calmly explain themselves without pressure, you made the effort to select opposing viewpoints who actually have an understanding of the topic to give their opinions, you use all this to puzzle together the conversation that is playing out through these events and viewpoints, and you invite the now better educated viewer to come to a nuanced conclusion. it's kind of surreal seeing actual journalism happening in the modern day, not to mention revealing of how severely mainstream media has abandoned these principles, and i hope one day videos like these, made by normal, contemporary, thinking people, about real issues, get analysed in schools as a way of setting a standard about honest discussion
It blows my mind you apologise because of your interaction with the guard. You are not obliged to tell him anything... He's just a security guard, just tell him you was there to see the exhibition and walk away. If he asks you to leave when you did nothing wrong, then that looks bad on them, it is not illegal to film. Especially what do they expect when something as big as what was happening occured.
@@AtheistEve I did expect the NUJ card thing to be a Chekhov’s Gun (leading to a refusal to accept its legitimacy or something) and then it just fizzled out 😅
If you think this is scary, imagine the direct action that would be involved to throw over existing power structures like capital and the state. Because nobody is going to legislate their way out of this pit b
As an American, I'm baffled they got metal tools that far into a building with a national artifacts. We have metal detectors all over the national mall in DC
Sounds to me like protesters just need to be more imaginative in how they carry out these acts of activism. Honestly, if I wasn’t such a coward, I’d probably have a lot of fun plotting these kinds of extreme peaceful protest.
A broken glass, with legacy inside, just so people understand that that's nothing compared with corporate genocide, should speak volumes. I, personally, appreciate history, but if as a people we won't listen, this seems justified.
Rupert's group sounds great, but it does somewhat prove that only disruptive civil disobedience gains any form of attention or publicity, as I've never heard of the Climate Majority Project before now
Honestly, this has entirely changed my perspective on JSO, for the longest time my main gripe was they seemed pointless and directionless with their actions, understanding that there is a theory of change behind them (even if i am unsure of its efficacy) has shifted how i see them greatly.
One of the biggest things that direct action achieves is to drive people who support the cause but not the tactics towards more ‘moderate’ organisations. They make the ‘moderates’ appear more reasonable in comparison to themselves, and that is intensely powerful. It’s something that is absolutely recognised within activist communities.
I am a firm supporter of their goal, but I do feel like some (not all) of Just Stop Oil actions are causing more of a public disturbance than a political one. I agree that something needs to be done, and I'm fine with breaking display cases and throwing paint in order to cause financial damage to state-managed organisations and big corporations. However, we're post-brexit and we've seen the impact that misplaced public outrage can have on our country, and that's without taking into account to stupid anti-immigration riots that have been happening recently.
Tom, the fact that you recognize your response to the guard wasn't the best, is awesome. The adrenaline of the situation very much excuses it, but being honest about mistakes speaks character.
What does surprise me about JSO protest tactics is when they march on roads 1) they could walk at normal speed 2) they could do 5-10 minutes at a time and then split up and regroup somewhere else. This would limit the aggravation for those disrupted while still getting their attention and also make it more disruptive to police.
I don’t care if they damage an old bit of paper. The moment they make everyday people have worse lives, missing flights, being late to work school etc, they make themselves the enemy of the people. Would you be calm if you were made to miss a vacation that cost thousands of dollars? Would you be calm if you were made to be late to a uni exam or lab or just to work? I wouldn’t be. The damages of that if they were added up should be placed squarely on the protesters shoulders. You block a road and a bus of people fail their exams? Cost of the classes times the number of people should be mandatory. An hour of missed work for 500 people? In London you’re looking at $12,000. Make it easy for thousands of people to levy claims against the activist for damages, and they will stop.
This feels like straight up propaganda. Your best argument for JSO having a positive impact was gesturing towards (potentially empty) promises from the UK government to stop issuing new licenses to drill for oil in some areas, and then just assuming that JSO can be thanked for that. In your own words, "It would be ludicrous to suggest it wasn't even a factor." Kinda begs the question, would it? Public hatred for JSO is near universal on both the right and left, as you showed. They're the climate change equivalent of PETA. I think, if anything, JSO had a negative impact on progress towards Net Zero goals. That's my just conjecture, but hell, it's as good as yours!
this has to be a clear "Harmful or dangerous acts" type of comment. anyone doing anything good in a public way is not worth as little as you and are doing real things. why hold back things we desperately need. your mindset is dangerous!
I love how when people were protesting over that stabbing the south port, I kept hearing this about the migration... But when stop oil is protesting, the same people say that they are causing nuisance and causing ambulance services to stop working...
I live in the province of Québec, one of the first state (if not the first) to completely ban new oil exploitation on our territory, all the permits that were given have been revoked in 2022, and we didn't do it by throwing food on important pieces of art! Yes we need to do more, but their tactics don't work. I was very aware of the climate crisis before I heard about them. So those protests just piss me off. I however agree when they stop private jets and other similar actions.
I recommend everyone enjoying this to read Andreas Malm's "How to b10wup a p1pel1ne". I personally think that the sort of less disturbtive action as done by the extinction rebelion or Just Stop Oil but escalation is required to make the more moderate activists heard. so... just do as so many insurectionists do.
Kind reminder that crude oil is not just petrol, it’s used in almost every industry from medicine to chemistry to cosmetics to electronics to clothing to industrial equipment etc. It’s pretty much ubiquitous. Ironically, the paint these groups are using probably contains chemicals derived from oil, same for a lot of those posters and the dye in their hair. As for why all these processes are so slow, well a lot comes down to technology and innovation. There are very few alternatives and even those alternatives can have problems. Some alternative fuels still produce green house gases. There’s also the question of infrastructure. Public transport is a great way to reduce emissions, however it’s often tied into urbanization and economic inequality, it’s expensive, it takes years to build, building costs energy etc. Which gets into how does energy go from where it’s produced to consumers? There are losses and things like solar, wind, hydroelectric stations and other renewable energy sources are definitely great but they can’t be placed just anywhere because they require certain conditions to function properly and some of them f*ck with the environment in other ways. All of that still doesn’t help with reducing oil in just about every product used in modern society. Just to take a few seconds to actually think about the logistics of how to reduce oil, what that means, what the current alternatives are and whether those alternatives can meet demand (if those things are more expensive, they’re probably not accessible to people with low income, which will cause social and economic problems). What these groups mostly do is being a complete nuisance and then delegating all responsibility and work onto someone else. At least try to propose some kind of plan even if it’s not a full solution.
Great video tom! Whatever the opinion on JSO is, we need to be demanding way more from our governments to do more. We can actually solve the cost of living and help the climate by taxing the very wealthy until they are not as wealthy, then they csn stop polluting at the rate of small countries
I wonder if the polish people would organize and protest the looming environmental catastrophe just as hard as they would defend some historical documents. The consequences for failure in both cases are drastically different. Being patriotic doesn't make you a "good" citizen of your nation.
2.9 is optimistic. 2.9 is the minimum we can keep it to if we act now. This is clearly not happening. Billions will die from climate change and associated wars. It is the single largest threat to society as we know it. I sympathize with their aims, but I seriously doubt they will achieve anything meaningful. I gave up years ago. I still talk about it with anyone that brings it up, but I'm done trying to save capitalism. It can't be saved.
It's much more fun to talk about the coming Water Wars anyway. My prediction for the US and Canada is total dissolution of the state as people become more interested in protecting scarce resources than adhering to any sense of national unity and that new governments will form around the defense of fresh water sources like the Great Lakes. Basically, the people living around the Great Lakes will confederate and militantly defend the water from any outsiders, otherwise known as drylanders. With the central North American aquifers all dried up and the southern US being too hot to live in, people will try to move north to the remaining water. Nothing says mass violence like protectionist attitudes and a large migrant population. The UK rioters are going to look like school children when compared with the stuff people will do when something as precious as water becomes contested.
Climate doomerism is tempting but you shouldn't give up, and you shouldn't be dissuading anyone from trying to make their small difference. Collective action has been at the forefront of many societal changes, and if people start going soft on governments BECAUSE they've given up then it causes the self fufilling prophecy of change not happening.
It exposes the hypocrisy of the public, no? You rage at someone slapping some paint on some glass but say nothing when oil companies cause actual wars in 3rd world counties or leak millions of gallons of oil into our oceans. Imagine hating some people for throwing orange flour on some rocks over the villainy of oil billionaires. Be consistent with your rage or shut up, respectfully.
Sue and Judy remind me of an 82 year old nun who did 2 years in federal prison for a 2014 protest against nuclear weapons. Her name is Megan Rice. Solidarity forever ladies ✊
I don't think you can be blamed for not flashing the press credentials to security, i was impressed that you didn't delete the footage frankly. Confrontations are tense and scary and prioritising getting out of there is totally understandable
Just Stop Oil's demonstrations are a genius form of performance art that includes the viewer as part of the performance. The soup/orange paint on precious artefacts represents the destruction of our precious environment, and the viewers perform outrage in response. The fact that critics only have outrage for the protests but not the actual problem shows their hypocrisy - they ARE capable of outrage, but only about superficial things that don't matter in the long term.
it's not "performance art".... it's called vandalism and attempted destruction of historical fine art, which has nothing to do with the petro-corporations of today. by your logic, is a flasher in a public park performing "performance art" to unsuspecting "viewers"?
@@braunarschthe paintings and artefacts are behind plexiglass and have not been damaged by their actions. The truth is if those in power continue to mismanage the climate emergency, those cultural artefacts could wind up underwater.
@@gothicgolem2947 then I'd say to those people that they need to grow up. Throwing a temper tantrum because your sporting event got interrupted or you had to wait in traffic for a little while (something that happens with JSO there or not) is as childish and narrow minded as it comes.
JSO and other environmentalist's tactics are actually very stupid. By doing the things they do they piss people off and make people hate them. If people hate you and you are doing these things in the name of climate change it will make people less willing to support that cause. People who otherwise could be convinced to do something about climate change will instead be turned off by the activists and do nothing. I recognize that climate change is an issue and something should be done about it but the people who are making themselves the face of climate change activism are so unlikable that it makes it hard to support the cause.
watched the entire video and..... learned absolutely nothing new from this.. all the "important" information given here was simply just the obvious.. this guy is just another one of those desperate for clout
Tell me about nucleae, the obstacles to embracing it, and how we can overcome those obstacles. If not, I dont see how I'm supoosed to take any of the other solutions seriously.
concrete is a material that can be dyed pretty easily. it's remarkably difficult to clean up. it is a huge source of co2 emissions. once concrete is dyed it needs to be poured somewhere at risk of solidifying in the mixing truck.
funny how the government trying to crack down on protestors has lead to none of the issues being solved. you have the issue of today, where protestors routinely cause traffic disruptions and damage cultural institutions, even if they are arrested day and night you have the issue of tomorrow, where our lack of climate action has caused significant damage to our economy and our wellbeing in a perfect world, we would've solved both. but this is a dystopia, we've solved neither. today will be another day where art shouldn't need to be targeted, tomorrow will be another day where our wellbeing shouldn't have been destroyed. why not solve both? 2 birds with 1 stone.
Why on Earth is a police officer in any kind of position to say "we don't want footage of a newsworthy event published, please delete it"?? Oh, I guess he's a guard, so he can say whatever he wants I guess.
I agree with just stop oil, but i cant get by them blocking the roads. They dont affect the people in power, only turn the people away from them. The stone henge, brilliant. Art? Meaningful only if theres a world to live in. But blocking the roads that ordinary people use and need? Counter productive
Blocking roads can be effective because it costs businesses and governments money to have their vehicles stuck in traffic. How effective obviously depends on the road and how long they can hold it for.
Thanks for your measured and touching video, humanizing the activists when the medias are mocking them. I was firmly opposed to that kind of activism and I still don't agree with STOs methods but it got me to think about how to ignite social change
If anyone now is curious or interested in supporting just stop oil or similar organizations in your country i highly recommend looking up your local a22 member or extinction rebellion chapter and get in contact. For example last generation in Germany regularly holds talks and presentations in most major cities in the country where you can learn more about the organization and potentially start your integration process. You don't even have to do civil disobedience or even have contact with policeman if you don't want to. We have many safe tasks from finance, over legal and moral support to cooking and keeping your fellow activists fed where you can do your part or you can join one of our legal protest marches where there is usually no civil disobedience. Even if that is to much for you, any of those organizations are always happy over a financial donation.
The big problem with this type of activism is that in order for it to work, politicians need to be able to connect the activity with their goal. Most of you actions are too vague for anyone to know what is being opposed. And politicians are usually not the sharpest of the nation's pencils.
Oh the politicians know. Unfortunately its every day people being stupid that allow politicians to brush this shit off. The goal of cliamte protest is incredibly obvious, you are just playing uninformed for the sake of it.
@@Bloodlinedev The slogan is, the methods... not likely. Politicians care what 'average Joe' thinks, and an average Joe sees a bunch of privileged kids being silly and causing disruption to THEM (not the politicians or anyone who could do anything about stopping oil) and then they expect from politicians to get rid off those privileged nuisances, not to stop investing/expanding oil consumption...
@@zwerko Politicians now EXACTLY what is what, dude. JSO and multiple other protest organizations have sat at the same table and discussed what they want. Where i am from The Last Generation won a case at the highest court (think of the American Supreme Court, but german) where the court ruled that the former and current government is breaking our constitution by not properly tackling climate change. And nothing is happening to rectify this.
Also newly elected Labour MPs have received at least £45,000 from oil and gas lobbyists since the election last month. Global Witness released the story yesterday.
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@@Tom_NicholasTom would you ever do a video that actually goes in depth on nebulas legal structure? Every time I try to find out from Dave Wiskus if all the creators actually have equity or if they just have a contract I can’t get a straight answer.
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are we coming out of an ice-age ? what happens to plants if they dont get any CO2 ( they die ) ?
@@marchelandersen6839What do you mean? The Last Glacial Period occured 115,000 and 11,700 years ago? We’ve been out of it for years. Yeah plants die without CO2 but the excess emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere caused by human activity is intensifying the greenhouse effect and leading to global warming which will cause them (and us) to die regardless.
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You had the perfect opportunity to do the "Yep that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation" meme and you missed it...
You're right damnit, unsubscibe
TIL that meme exists.
Freeze frame. Record scratch.
Thank god he didn’t. I would have unsubscribed just for the lack of originality.
"We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close"
Conspiracy to cause a public nuisance is an exceptionally british crime
Just sounds like an anti protest law
I imagine many people would consider the statement "I'm going to speak loudly on public transport" as a crime in the UK
@@kx7500that would be protesting whilst huwhite
@@nevreihathat's just diversity
@@nevreiha what a barbaric country just put on headphones and zone everyone else out
So, I'm a trucker in the U.S. If you are unaware, several Amazon facilities were in protest for last few weeks, and on strike. Well, I happen to live near those facilities and frequently received pre-plans to pick up loads going to and from those facilities. I rejected ALL of them. Almost got in trouble for it. In trucker circles, I was hit with the usual racist slurs, and assumptions that I'm an illegal immigrant (I'm a black American citizen lol, probably about as Murican' as it gets personality wise lol), and I haven't stopped getting messages about it. Good thing I haven't hooked up my radio in this truck yet lol.
I lost a LOT of money. I'm dirt poor and every little bit helps. But the broader context was to me, far more important. I just wish that others felt the same.
Oh man. I'm so sorry driver. You'll learn.
Basically the UK has now devolved into "oy! D'yav a license for that nuisance?"
"Of course not, I'm not an oil company."
Because oil companies are blocking ambulances and chemo patients in the street, apparently.
All these comments and likes and not a single argument as to why the novel issue of this kind of public disorder shouldn't be dealt with using legal territory. So many memes and smoke and mirrors. It's easy to be a critic when you don't have any real opinion or position on anything bar the vague bandwagon-ing you see online
No, it was public opinion and public disruption that drove the law change. Most people want people who disrupt their lives to face legal consequences. Oil companies dont care.
True @@Jannfndnanakid
loicense* you mean.
That's not Direct Action, it's protesting. Direct Action is a specific form of protest when you take action against the people who have the power to give you what you want. It's not just raising awareness or being disruptive or even using violence; it's targeted action directed at the people with power. That's the key. It's not just about the action, but who that action is directed towards, with the tactical aim of getting prompt and tangible results. Examples would be like blocking a mine, damaging a power station or dumping oil on a PM's front yard. The *targeted action* has to *directly affect* the people with the power to do what you want.
Good share thanks Ryan
That's quite literally not what direct action is, by every definition one can find.
To quote a comment I saw just below yours:
"I'm not a fan of the way just stop oil use the term "direct action" in my opinion it is a misuse because symbolic protest actions are anything but direct.
That doesn't mean it can't have its place or serves no good purpose, but direct action is when you're addressing a problem directly. It's cleaning up a dumpster without a municipality or directly blocking access to private planes or cruise ships, because they are the problem itself or at least part of it.
Breaking the glass around the magna Carta, spraying paint etc. Are all symbolic actions, not direct actions." by @FriendlyCobblestone
DA does not have to target people in power, it means using the power you yourself or the groups you are a part of have to directly change things in the world.
Regardless of whatever you feel about the efficacy or convenience of nonviolence protest movements, EVERYONE should be concerned with how quickly the UK and US justice systems moved to become way more authoritarian and fascist in response to environmental and racial justice protests in the past five years. Considering the way RICO charges are being abused against the Stop Cop City protesters in Atlanta, this is an issue we need to be openly criticizing - instead of bellyaching over inconveniences and philosophical differences in nonviolent protest.
England esecially so, thanks to the legacy culture of the peerage and the monarchy. They still have enshrined in law the idea that some people are better than others.
@@kevoreilly6557 thanks for the thoughtful and relevant response. I’ll be thinking about this for a long time - lots to ponder. Maybe you’ll figure out how to read by then.
@@kevoreilly6557that must be a he sounds a person makes as leopards eat their face.
Amusing
Fascism is when enforcing the law... Lol
@@ethanduncan1646 you have a fair point, it ain't necessarily fascist as it isn't hypernationalist authoritarianism
but it is authoritarianism, as seemingly people can't even protest somewhat peacefully, and the police have been granted further liberties to arrest people for being a bit distruptive.
as a former security guard (for seven years); we do not want to do work. "if you'd like me to leave, I'll do that" means literally minimum work for us. I'll be honest mate, lying to security in that manner is perfect.
Or maybe you're just a coward and shouldn't be a security guard?
@@oatdilemma6395Or maybe security isn't supposed to be the police, but works more as a deterrent? Think. Or maybe working class people are alienated from their work and dont actually care if you disrupt their work?
@@oatdilemma6395 minimum wage, minimum effort.
@@oatdilemma6395 not enthusiastically accosting nonviolent protestors makes you a coward? get real, that's sick.
@@oatdilemma6395 If you want to watch jackboots step on necks so much you should go do it yourself, mate
I disagree. The koch brothers are the most controversial climate change activists. Oh wait wrong direction, my bad.
I mean they are Climate activits. Just they are opposed to a livable climate.
Its a good and important framing youre making though
I don’t even think they are more controversial depending on how one looks at it. Apart from the people who get paid by them only a handful of lefties care (or know) about the Koch brothers.
Meanwhile everyone and their dog has an opinion on JSO not destroying a painting.
It is a thin line between aggressive activism and terrorism.
In Bavaria there is a group that sabotages green energies. They collapsed a windmill (not a small one!) and destroyed several hundred of solar panels. They have not been caught yet.
@@btarczy5067 Oh I dunno, they set up several foundations which fund various arts and humanities projects back in the day in order to massage the negative perception of their name. They were broadly pretty good at managing their image up until David died in 2019. Even today Charles does some seemingly out there stuff, like, he's a major funder and proponent of efforts to legalize cannabis federally.
I'd argue that's a pretty strong recipe for "controversial" as, depending on how much you know about him, where you know the name from and depending on your political disposition, you're going to hate his guts or else be confused about why anybody would.
"Oh I must go have a good look at the Magna Carta then" seconds before breaking into it. Calm and collected enough to joke about it, amazing.
The symbolic destruction of the glass shielding the Magna Carta got everyone's balls in a twist, but nobody batted an eye at several successive years of the Tories destroying the actualy rights enshrined within it. It'll always make me giggle when they call JSO 'performative activism' when their selective anger epitomises it.
What rights enshrined in it? The Magna Carta is the most overhyped bit of paper to ever exist, and it hasn’t been active for several hundred years.
@@deeznoots6241So we should just abolish the notion of it or any unifying legal code then? I would rather have a flawed and outdated rule of law over no rule of law, without one, we get dangerously close to justifying tyranny without a point we won't back against.
"Oh the electric chair for JSO protesters? Well it certainly would save us money feeding and housing those lowlifes!"
@@deeznoots6241 sometimes, you should consider thinking before you talk. If you had thought for even a single moment, you'd recognize that it was a SYMBOLIC GESTURE. Jesus Christ 🙄
P.S. you didn't even say anything untrue, it's just that they aren't relevant either. Nothing you said changes the reality that there _are_ rights enshrined in the Magna Carta (even if we don't "use" it anymore), nor do they change the reality that it was a _symbolic gesture._
You didnt explain what rights were enshrined in the magna carta. A third party, i know little about british history and would have appreciated a discussion instead of an eyerolling rant. I bet the other person had indeed thought about the document for more than a single moment before forming their opinion on it being supposedly overhyped.
May i ask politely, what rights are enshrined in the magna carta? What does it symbolize, and how? And why might someone critical call it “overhyped”?
There's only 4 originals in existence and one is badly damaged.
You do realize that any light or oxygen exposure would damage it right?
There's people who's entire lives are and have been dedicated to preserving historically significant works.
Just because you don't care about the document doesn't mean it is in any way acceptable to try to destroy one of 3 readable originals of a historically significant text.
The symbolism is "we want to rob future generations of valuable texts."
That's not deep. That's just doing to history what climate change is doing to the planet and it loses people.
I'm not a fan of the way just stop oil use the term "direct action" in my opinion it is a misuse because symbolic protest actions are anything but direct.
That doesn't mean it can't have its place or serves no good purpose, but direct action is when you're addressing a problem directly. It's cleaning up a dumpster without a municipality or directly blocking access to private planes or cruise ships, because they are the problem itself or at least part of it.
Breaking the glass around the magna Carta, spraying paint etc. Are all symbolic actions, not direct actions.
Yeah I had that thought too. They might be trying to be a nuisance, but their strategy still boils down to asking the powers that be to do something that goes against their interests, just slightly less than nicely. It's 1-2 steps above "write your representative." I can't fault them for trying to do SOMETHING, but yeah I'm not sure this is gonna work.
Destruction of property isn't activism, but vandalism.
Destruction of symbolism is the right kind of symbolism, my mate @puclopuclik4108
@@puclopuclik4108The ignorance of this statement is staggering. Brave of you to be so public with your lack of knowledge on the topic.
@fearsomefawkes6724 Are you suggesting that it is completely fine for me o destroyed whatever I want as long as I can fabricate an excuse in the form of activism?
Did you find the recent outbreak of riots across the UK activism as well?
I feel uneasy when the only political action I see being taken following these protests are the introduction of more draconian anti protest laws.
Because instead of targeting oil and finance and politicians, they targeted working people. The unpopularity of these protests helped those laws escape public backlash. If these people aren't plants, they're utterly misguided.
I agree, but Roger Hallam and other JSO activists planning to and attempting (but failing) to block the M25 circular route in calculated positions so the whole route would be "Filled with cars" and "Back up onto all the other motorways and all the other A roads", which would stop almost everyone and everything from getting in or out of London by car for multiple days, then claiming it was a "peaceful protest" isn't helping with that. JSO's other protests aren't too bad, but blocking traffic (especially trying to do it on this scale) does more harm than good.
@@lentilsoup460the M25 and all the other A roads being blocked and backed up would be an awesome achievement!!
Although a quick glance at some stats randomly for 2017 suggests that London traffic management causes far more issues than JSO could ever dream of 😂 :
“1.35 million traffic jams in past year (2017) have cost the economy a total of £9 billion”
Source INRIX.
@@fluffskunk Exactly, and they made it so nobody can talk about climate action without it being derailed into a discussion on JSO because they know as soon as it goes there if you say anything supportive of JSO you lose one side and if you condemn them, you lose the other. (And because nuance is dead if you try to go down the middle you lose everyone)
They've absolutely been one of the most damaging things for climate activism in a long time.
Yeah it's crazy. It's almost like someone is paying these people to lower public opinion of protestors so that they can push through these draconian laws.
This topic often reminds me of things relating to MLK and Malcolm X, and the effectiveness of having multiple distinct groups who take varying methods to hand for an important matter.
(edit is to correct spelling of Malcolm X's name, as somehow that mistake had slipped past me on initial posting. Thank you for bringing it to my attention)
Malcolm X and the Black Panthers did a lot more than just be a silly nuisance.
@@SignificantNumberOfBeavers Same for Just Stop Oil.
Yup, the "radical flank" effect is a really important aspect of activism that doesn't get touched on enough.
MLK was just as radical as Malcolm X lol, he was public enemy number 1 in the 60s.
Black Panthers are racists and open carry semi autos, MLK was also pro gun and an avid hunter.
Interesting video but I wish you included a more critics with different perspectives. JSO is both criticised by liberals and more radical leftists and I wish you included the perspective of the latter. I feel like more radical leftists take issue with JSO because their strategies are ineffective and very middle class.
Especially throughout this video, I feel like JSO over estimates the value art has in our society, especially amongst the ruling class. The majority aren't outraged at JSO's actions because they consider art to be important to society but because certain art is considered rare and expensive and has perceived value. But ultimately, it's very low on people's list of priorities especially when you're struggling to make ends meet.
I also think getting arrested on purpose is a largely stupid strategy in current climate. Through arrests, you lose activists and what is the point of wasting police time if you're not using that time to do something else. JSO and XR's impact on spurring on anti-protest laws have also shown the negative impact this has caused.
While not climate activism, groups like PAL action who also focus on direct action have had much more progress with their goals. They have directly stopped operations at Elbit systems multiple times, causing the company to lose money and close offices. These activists also get arrested but with each action there is a clear result. This is something I cannot see with JSO. Breaking the casing to the Magna Carta, does not directly contribute to stopping oil.
I also think JSO overestimate the importance of the media. While media can be used to recruit activists (whether those who commit direct actions or protestors) and can put some pressure on governments, I don't think it's the most effective method. Looking at PAL action again, they’re covered a lot less by the media but have been achieving their goals while also gaining support. It forces me to ask, why does JSO target art but not oil companies? Why is JSO's direct action so indirect?
Notably, the only times civil action has caused actual stoppage in oil production is when there has been far more radical action taken. Direct sabotage of oil infrastructure stopped the oil sector in Iran leading up to the revolution, as one prime example. The motivation wasn't climate activism, and the saboteurs weren't older white grandmas with upper middle class jobs - they were communist militias. By sabotaging oil pipelines, they made the economic risk of continuing production in Iran not worth the potential profits, so international companies withdrew their operations.
Western climate activism has been so enamoured by the liberal idea of non-violence, they are unable to even consider actions the media would call violent (like blowing up pipelines or refineries) - even if it is still only property damage.
i also just think they publicly present very little to add to the conversation about how to tackle climate change. they’re not so stupid to believe we can “just stop oil” without living standards plummeting for the overwhelming majority of the world, but the way they present themselves makes almost everyone just think “ok, well you haven’t got any ideas of what we’re supposed to do, i guess we’ll just move on with our day”
well said
This is such a good point. The video really lacked any kind of meaningful critique of JSO's approach and tactics. Agree that it is very middle class. Disappointing that Tom didn't include interviews with leaders of other activist groups and present some alternative options.
The thing is though, I've heard of JSO, I've never heard of PAL. Making one company lose a few million dollars is not going to be anymore effective than a handful of people personally changing their lifestyle to reduce their carbon footprint. It is only governmental and intergovernmental action that will stop climate change one company or one individual is just a drop in the bucket. The mines / drilling rights will just be bought by a different company and operations restarted.
No disrespect, but I'd rather have them throw orange paint and glue themselves on corporate buildings or CEO's mansions instead. IMO, going after artwork or historical artifacts which have public and/or historical value feels super cheap to me.
Yep, this is the point which really make me dispise them. I studied art history and what these people do make me sick
From what I've heard, they do that too, it's just a lot less covered by media.
@@A_B_1917yeah the only one that got coverage was when they went after Sunak’s mansion. And that was because he was PM rather than because of being rich.
I despise Slacktivists, especially road blockers.
But I swear, said no more about the media cabals are in cahoots with Megacorps. They not only want to kill us but also make our lives miserable at it.
@@kaitlyn__L I bet they don’t try that in the USA. It’ll end very badly for them.
Honestly, this video made me see JSO in a much better light. The media absolutely detests them.
The media and politicians detesting them was one of my first clues they were legit and pushing the right buttons.
The moment the rich spoke out against them, I knew they were right
It's not just the media. These buffoons stopped the ambulance taking my sister to hospital after she was stabbed. She died in the ambulance.I'm sure they felt so good about that, I didn't.
you people really dont get that the media is making publicity for them? if the media really hate someone they dont talk about them.
from what ive seen the mainstream media is very friendly with eco activism. the green agenda is a government/mainstream agenda.
but its cute that you think you are revolutionaries.
They have a lot of problems though. I can understand throwing paint on stonehenge, destroying art or damaging the magna carta since it doesn't harm anyone. But they did not need to plan and attempt to block the entire M25 motorway and surrounding roads in claculated positions to fill the 'whole circular route' with cars and try to stop almost anyone or anything getting in or out of London by car for 4 days. That would've caused extreme disruption, including food shortages and likely multiple deaths from postponing medical treatment or medication.
It sounds quite flippant in comparison to the police response in germany. Here the police have developed specific ways to twist arms and even jaws so that the victim feels pain and is unable to do things, for months after they have been released. And the officers applying those tactics state this often in front of camera.
The German conservative media has also successfully convinced the public that glueing yourself to some street is as bad as actual domestic terrorism
And why "de-arresting" your fellow protesters is necessary and morally just
😂 poor babies.
yeah those videos are hilarious :D
@@oskarmartin6486 cops are nasty babies, absolutely :)
I always find it ironic and hypocritical that there is a plaque in the houses of parliament honouring the efforts of the suffragettes.
Wow when I sat down to watch this video I certainly didn't expect to see my ex employer in it, let alone find out he's now amassed a criminal record and become co-founder of JSO in the meantime. But then, it doesn't REALLY surprise me either.
that sponsor at the end - A lifetime subscription? I have a vague memory of hearing of such a thing in the ancient past. I believe it was called 'actually owning something' or something like that.
it's called a subscription so they can take it away if they want
@@cheesusabidas77 "retire service"
@@cheesusabidas77 It's called a LIFETIME subscription because, and I'm paraphrasing from Nebula's website: "You will have it as long as you and Nebula both exist."
It would be a lawsuit if they took it away after that, and not one they could ever feasibly win. Not that they would do that in the first place. For the record, Nebula isn't a predatory corporation. It's a co-op that the workers (in this case the content creators) collectively run. It isn't beholden to capital in the same way many other companies are.
37:54 No, working class people can make political change by organizing with their coworkers, forming or joining a union if you don’t already have one, or strengthening and radicalizing your union if you do have one, and striking.
Just like the train drivers who didn’t need to deface a single historical document to get a pay rise.
@@conormurphy4328A diversity of tactics is important.
Equally important; is understanding what objects you are defending.
Yes the artwork is a priceless window into the past.
Its also how trust fund babys of billionaires avoid paying taxes.
Frankly, those are the people in control now, not our goverments.
Climate activists don't have the leverage a skilled worker does.
@@CarrotConsumer im a bit confused where youre coming from, like.. climate activists dont just exist, they have to work too usually.
@@AnonymousAnarchist2 I think coordinated targets are also very important. You can't pick any random thing, but specific things.
People have a hard time associating historical pieces of art, with big oil. It's hard to see it as reasonable because of that.
Well I would love to become an activist, but since I have another passport, our glorious UK government can take away my citizenship and deport me at the slightest disobedience... I guess we die.
@@kevoreilly6557 man, bait used to be believable. do you think you'll get someone easier if you reply to every single comment on the video?
If you change your mind and they send you to the US, lmk and you can crash on my couch.
That makes me laugh and smile
@@dredzik My gran was in the same boat during the protests over the war in Iraq. She was deeply upset over both of her home countries engaging in imperialism and a quagmire of a war, but if she engaged in any direct action she would run the risk of being deported and separated from the majority of her family.
@@BobCassidyWhat are you on about? I'm in the same boat, do you think we should get deported?
Reading recommendation: Civil Resistance: What Everyone Should Know.
The book is based on significant up to date research and really does not support the tactics of this group. Civil resistance needs to A) deny those in power something they need and B) get the public on your side. These protests do neither. Attention alone is not the goal. Change is the goal. Raising awareness is not needed here. People already know climate change is a problem. What you need is to change policy, not get people to know about it.
Although they eventually failed, the pipeline protests in the US were MUCH better thought out and they did have a significant impact, delaying the pipeline construction and changing public opinions about it, which impacted the way lawmakers fight about it. It changed the priority in the government.
@@TealJosh What you said doesn't contradict what I said. (Not saying you necessarily intended it to, though it sounded to me like you did.) You don't need to have the people on your side at the start, but yes, the government brutalizing people does get people who weren't previously on your side to join it. This is a very common and effective goal of a lot of sit ins, die ins, and other civil resistance intended to provoke a response. But those things need to be well thought out. In particular, I question the theory of change here. The tactic of provoking a police response to get the public on your side is commonly done when the public don't already agree with you mainly because they don't know the extent of your oppression. That is not the case here. Climate activists aren't being oppressed, the planet is. And people are petty aware of that fact and already agree. Further, the things that make the most news are not likely to do that job anyway. Throwing soup on art and getting taken away quietly by police is not exactly like seeing firehoses and dogs used against peaceful protesters during the civil rights era. Awareness isn't the need and the optics move people away from wanting to help instead of towards it.
Some of JSO actions are well thought out. The ones that are the highest profile often are not and they often overshadow the ones that would otherwise be more effective. I hadn't seen anything on defacing Taylor Swift's plane. That is better thought out. It directly denies her ability to use it for a short time, raises awareness of a facet that people don't know, and it doesn't alienate a lot of people. Better to do it to other billionaires first and then Swift later showing that billionaires who are a problem can even include people you like. That's more thought provoking.
Mass demonstrations with hundreds of arrests are also more effective. And JSO does that. But it gets overshadowed by the counterproductive things they do.
And if you want to show police overreacting because of climate change in a way that moves the needle, I would look into climate refugees in the UK right now. It would be a big ask for them to get involved because of the real risks for them. But that would be powerful. Something that actually shows why many people have come and why many more will move North because their homelands are increasingly becoming uninhabitable. That might motivate people who currently don't care about the issue to push even the conservatives.
@@TealJoshit *IS* civility politics. This person is pretty foolish
@@TealJoshIt's not civility politics to say jso has poorly thought out protests that aren't effective in distributing their message. If we cared about "civility" why would we be talking about the pipeline protests having been an example of effective disruptive protest. Any protest is not good protest, sometimes it's dumb and poorly thought out.
I mean, you're talking about it, so I'd say they're succeeding.
And climate activists ALSO disrupt what the powerful need. I work with a bunch of XR activists in New Zealand who have stopped Coal Trains, who have disrupted Cruise Ship conferences. We do both.
Also the public were against Civil Rights, Suffrage, and Abolitionist protestors, does that make them wrong? Are you going to tell me the Suffragettes and Abolitionists weren't doing their job right?
Very true.
My big problem with the type of activism JSO does is that I don't think targeting cultural marks or pieces of art, isn't something that I think oil companies or the government in most cases
The Magna Carta stunt to me is more effective, I think. But for instance the Stonehenge spray thing to me is not about attacking the government or universities that actually fund the oil companies. It's a stunt for the stunt of a stunt. I guess the idea was "These stoned will be destroyed either way if we don't save the planet", but I don't think "So if you think these are important and don't want them to be destroyed stop oil companies" isn't coming across when the direct action against them being deytroyed in the moment is arresting the protestors.
I am all for the end of fossil fuels and I am personally in favor of my countries' green party, because of how I think the climate is a big problem of our world. But the way JSO is advocating for this cause feels on the one hand indirect in the way I think really matter and too direct in ways I think it doesn't
Also and this beyond the cause of JSO (and more from me as an artist), but I think it makes Van Gogh more sad to me inagine that man that didn't make a living from his art, who continued to do art in spite of that, who died poor and being deemed crazy. Whose art after death not just became a symbol for the super rich, but also then to be thrown at with soup. I don't want to speculate how Van Gogh would feel about that, but I hope this will never with my art after I am gone
I agree with their methods but HIGHLY disagree with their targets. They go after cultural artifacts that the rich don't actually care about personally aside from monetary value. They're damaging and destroying things that have intense emotional value even without capitalism. Intangible cultural artifacts are as untouchable to me as walking up to a random working class child and decking them because some rich people love their own kids.
They should be directly targeting the assets and posessions of those who actually have any power in this game. Punishing archeologists does nothing but generate intense public hatred, which massively massively damages their reach and wastes their own time.
I mean for context, I have heard of Just Stop Oil, I haven't heard of the Climate Majority Project before. Unfortunately radical, disruptive action is the only thing that works
Except I doesn't work, unless the goal was to make everyone hate you and your cause.
I really want to ask you, partially because I want to know too, what other options are there to stop this crisis which are as efficient as these are.@@Flexsan
@@Flexsan There's radical action that targets people with power and their wealth, and there's radical action that just gets you attention. JSO and Tom don't want you to know there's a difference. These "activists" are constantly attacked from their left and Tom ignores those criticisms entirely.
@@fluffskunk Yes. It's funny how JSO supporter often invoke the "disruptive" Civil Rights movement and MLK's personal unpopularity at his death, but leave out the parts where MLK and key figures (another difference-- a clear, unified and politically expedient power structure, with grassroots elements falling in line!) would tailor their protests to fit the audience (middle class white dudes) and make themselves appear both relatable and the "normal" ones.
I.e. they would pay for suits, so when black people peacefully and calmly were sitting peacefully in a white only area, they would garner significant sympathy when the police responded harshly.
Even when MLK blocked roads, this was in pre-planned protests organized with gov forewarning, and enough numbers of people planning to go and political support to make it hard to block. Even then, the structure of the group enabled them to avoid people spilling over-- blocking whole communities-- becoming violent, etc.
And, of course, they did not camp on the roads. They marched as a group to a place, a symbol, where political power was convened or centralized, making clear demands, sharing their own experiences and gaining media attention.
Sure, there are those that will oppose any protest group for being disruptive-- but the extent does indeed matter when trying to win over (a plurality of) voters.
It worked in motivating the creation of the most repressive anti protest laws in generations and has no other demonstrable political impact.
I'm very hung-up on that cop who used to be a climate scientist. There's just so much going on there.
Probably needed a job that pays bills better
more stable money in policing. Supply and demand.
You need a degree to be a police officer don't you? There's probably all kinds of academic backgrounds represented.
@@CarrotConsumer no... lol... no you dont
Timestamp? I totally missed that
Why are you sorry to the guard? Tried to get you to delete the video, to hell with them. Your conduct was pretty much good, as someone who filmed the demonstration, you're not there to explain things to some hired muscle who will immediately forget it, you just need to bounce ASAP with your recording intact. Ideally, upload it before you can be stopped.
yeah nowadays you can at least sometimes in theory backup your recording before going through security one of hte very very very few good things "the cloud" got us
This. That guard is a traitor to other humans and also a criminal attempting to extrajudicially destroy evidence. He should be detained until he can be proven to no longer be morally deficient.
I would add though that this guy may not be 100% cognizant of laws in the UK, his accent makes me think he might be an immigrant just trying to hold onto a job. He should not have tried to get Tom to delete the footage, but I think there may be a backstory there that we can have a measure of sympathy for. I'm much more likely to blame any boss of theirs that indicated that they should ask the question.
@@sarahwatts7152 While I see your point and we should show solidarity for everyone in tough conditions, it's pretty well established that "just following orders" isn't acceptable. We all make decisions, and this guard decided to try to intimidate someone for filming. Don't make excuses for people who carry out evil, or people will convince themselves it's okay to act like this. It's not. Don't follow orders. You're responsible for your actions.
@@ParadoxicalThirdBruh really trying to out fascist the fascists with that comment.
The "Just Stop Oil's Critics" section with the Climate Majority guy is completely flaccid, and I think it's a real shame that his view was the only one in this segment. In particular, I think the absence of criticisms of JSO from their left (such as Andreas Malm's famous points in How To Blow Up A Pipeline, which I'm surprised got no mention here, at least 40 minutes in) is really conspicuous.
Tom never has covered viewpoints which differ from his own particularly well, imo probably the biggest weakness of his work.
Agreed. It's a shame that JSO is presented as the most radical version of direct action. There's so many more issues with JSO beyond "they turn people away", they're methods are not effective and the organisation as a whole is very white and middle class.
Tom's been fully taken in and is not a journalist here but a propagandist.
@@fluffskunk always has been
Actually it's kind of predictable. If he did cover something like that, TH-cam *at best* would immediately demonitize the video, at worst would take down the video entirely. Also it's not unreazonable to avoid te**orism adjacent actions in a discussion about the nature of awareness protests.
Indigo Rumbelow is what I call it when I eat too many blackberries and have to run to the toilet with the runs
This is fascinating. Tom constantly being surprised by the "cool as cucumber" demeanor of these ladies is funny; they have lived their lives, and by all accounts, they've lived good ones. They can be calm knowing they won't have to inherit the world our generation will be stuck with. Even a stint in jail won't rattle them. They're fighting for a future they will not see. We get the future playground of the actions of today: we should be nervous.
I agree, we all should be nervous. However, I don't think these women aren't as nervous as Tom because they are elderly, at least that's not the main reason. As someone who participates in political protests that are more direct and dangerous, you just grow committed to the cause. You understand that, in order to change the state of the world, the government will take repressive measures against you and your organisation. You also know that you have your comrades with you along the way who have your back, sometimes literally if the police want to break up your protest, for example. All these things contribute to a calm feeling that mutes out the nervousness.
Source: I and most people in my political organisation all feel that way, for those reasons.
The old women probably come across as cool as a cucumber because they’re mentally not all there. They’re probably blissfully unaware the police and legal system don’t support them and would put them in prison for what is literally criminal damage and vandalism. They’re probably not thinking their actions through.
Regarding the girl at 28:25, does she realise that if she has a criminal record for t*****ism offences, she would be barred from working in many software and engineering roles. Does she realise it would be a red flag on a background check?
While we hear a lot about boomers in a bad way, I think some of them get a bad rap. Especially the younger ones. Same with the younger generations. We tend to forget that many of the younger boomers were hippies. They're responsible for STARTING environmental movements. I think many younger boomers are closer to gen z and alpha than they realize.
Boomer is more a mentality now than an actual generation.
We have liberals and conservatives in the same way as boomers, it was never and has never been a monolith.
You came so close to getting it. Generations are fake, morality does not belong to the young. You have more in common, politically, with a working class boomer than a wealthy gen z. it's *class*, not age
Aren’t hippies the old boomers? My father was in his teens in the late 60s/early to mid 70s which means he’s 70 now and was too young to really have been a hippie anyway who are now about 80.
No such thing as a young boomer.
"I do not do this because I want to. I do it with a great amount of solemn sullen responsibility, because I have to."
They weren't arrested for fighting fossil fuels, they were arrested for vandalism. Defacing artwork and monuments won't do anything to reduce fossil fuel usage, the only thing it will do is make eco-activists look like clowns.
Not only that, whoever does not do it (like me) has no interest in the continuation of humanity.
JSO = Houthis
Same ridiculous ideas to solve a global problem
"If it wasn't for the unrelenting disruptions and inconvenience inflicted upon the general public that was caused by the brave men and women in , none of this would have been possible!"
- said no one ever.
@@sirtra Well it's a good thing they aren't unrelenting then, isn't it?
Unlike the collapse of our environment, protesting does take breaks.
and if you're looking for examples contrary to your statement, civil rights movement, women's suffrage, union strikes, etc. Sure would be nice if such inconveniences would never have had to been a thing. But unfortunately when some people in power get greedy, they don't listen. And if it wasn't for people taking that power back, you indeed would be in a worse place than you are now.
Especially if you're in the US. Even the Civil war was fought by a bunch of people seen as troublemakers.
I noticed cyclists were not inconvenienced by Just Stop Oil.
Let us know when you sell your car & exclusively use a bicycle
@@jacqdanieles I wonder how people managed before cars were in widespread use. Take the train? Oh, that's a non-starter, because Maggie Thatcher demolished your public transport?
Recognize a pattern? Oil and its allies make it impossible to get off the drug. You are the addict. Congratulations.
@@jacqdanielesI don't own nor have I ever owned a car. What now?
@@jacqdanielesI love not owning a car.
Much cheaper and my body is healthier
@@jacqdanielesdoing this all my life, carbrains will never understand
There's a certain irony to the Just Stop Oil spokesman having an image of massive amounts of concrete on the wall behind him, given the climate issues arising from concrete manufacture.
Or how they use oil based paints and glues in their protests.
They are hypocrites. Plain and simple.
they should roadblock the oil ceos cars and offices instead
messing up private jets is also awesome
In Australia recently, some protesters attempted to spray paint the wall outside the CEO of Woodside's house. A non-violent protest. They were arrested on arrival and the ABC journalists who were filming the action were coerced to give all their footage to the police. The ABC did not legally have to provide the footage to the police, but they keeled over and did so, and it was used against the protesters in court, I believe. We live in an age where corporate interests are protected by the police and citizens' rights to protest and critique those interests are eroded to the point of being non-existent. The protesters were arrested before they had even done anything, for trespassing - on a section of the driveway belonging to the council verge, not private property. What a joke.
@@rhythmandblues_alibi bug fucking yikes
Corporate overlords are to mighty
Capital interest is being protected above actual people
Late Stage capitalism is fucked
They should do that instead of spraying cultural objects.
@Romit12 why not both?
This brings to mind a rather specific and OLD body of research of movements, in particular "The Propaganda of the Deed" in which by doing something, anything, a movement hopes to garner momentum by any means necessary.
This supports my theory that the British are either paralyzingly polite or don't give a single fuck, and nowhere in between.
Most often, they don't give a single fuck while being paralyzingly polite about it.
44:40 I hope this was sarcasm, because the actual response is DON'T TALK TO COPS! This includes security guards and anyone else talking on a similar role.
Ong how is no one else pointing this out. COPS ARE NOT YOU'RE FRIENDS! DON'T TELL THEM ANYTHING WHATSOEVER!
I wouldn't tell security guards anything either but still be more cooperative, unless you suspect them of snitching you out. After all they are actually paid for keeping the place secure, not for whatever they can get away with, like the cops.
An ex security guard says they don’t wanna be told what’s going on either.
I imagine NUJ has it as policy to identify yourself as a journalist when asked though, and that’s more who his apology is pointed towards. (Maybe I should look up whether that’s actually policy or not though.)
24:16 The headline "Liam Gallagher issues warning to Just Stop Oil after Stonehenge stunt" makes it seem as if Liam Gallagher is the true leader of the UK lmao
No, dont explain. If you dont need to explain, if you dont have to explain, dont answer questions from 'security'. He cant ask you to delete footage, and you owe them nothing.
I met quite a lot of people associated with JSO when I worked at a Students Union and afterwards in my local community the main thing that always strikes me is that they are some of the kindest, friendliest and most thoughtful people you could meet
When I did animal welfare, I knew plenty of wonderfully nice animal rights activists.
I can also tell you that their tactics often were harmful to the cause though.
@@dismurrart6648 I think JSO's tactics are a response to big media being corporate owned and thus not giving much coverage to non-controversial actions and, without coverage, you can't really spread a message.
So, i would say this stuff might be actually a cold logic calculated thing of purposefully doing bad protests to get people to talk about, providing a chance to spread the message
Nice to your face then next day they stop you going to daughter's wedding.
@Alex-cq1zr so I was an activist for a good decade. I've seen variations of these tactics plenty of times.
People get the idea of no such thing as bad publicity. What they end up doing though is coming off like children and alienating the public.
It also makes your request a threat.
"I will keep destroying things you love and disrupt your life until you fix the planet."
Currently, my activism is climate activities. I'm working to mobilize people to plant native species, learning how to do it myself and I'm going to work to get my yard certified as a wildlife habitat.
Beyond that, I buy chemicals and work to get reliance on more sustainable options. It's actually going pretty well because the industry all the way up to big oil has clued into the public wants green alternatives. An exec at chevron literally said "if you as a company don't go green now, your company will die within 5 years."
Which brings me back to JSO. These tactics aren't effective because they're targeting the wrong people. When peta threw paint at celebrities in furs, it worked because it targeted the problem, made celebs afraid to wear fur, and thus made fur less sexy to wear.
When you try to destroy art in public collections or get a big bike race called off halfway through, you're throwing paint at people who aren't even wearing fur to stop the wearing of fur.
@Alex-cq1zr their tactics are old as dirt and only really work when you target the group doing the bad actions.
What they're doing here is holding public art and important documents hostage until people get on board with climate change being a thing. That's how regular people see it.
ExxonMobil itself puts significant money into pretending to be green so society is already on board.
That's why people reacted favorably to them trying to deface taylor swifts jet but not to them getting a bike race canceled.
Honestly I think we need both approaches: some radical action is good to grab attention and keep a conversation going, but you also need less radical activists that politicians and ordinary people are actually willing to sit down and talk with, or hear out their points rationally. I don't think one can work without the other though: either it's too radical and you just piss everyone off, or it's too mild and everyone ignores you.
Exactly. It’s been known by many movements for a long time, you need the radicals and then you need the “reasonables”. The former without the latter doesn’t go anywhere, but so does the latter without the former. The latter without the former is completely ignorable. The former without the latter has no mechanism to push beyond their protests.
I don’t know if JSO is coordinating with “reasonable” groups to get the talking points in the right place, or if they’re just hoping the media conversation will steer the moderates, and that really is the key to my assessment of their efficacy. Unfortunately part of the MO of movements is to make the “reasonable outsiders”, well, that. Open public collaboration ruins the two-pronged attack.
I'm surprised Tom never asked the obvious question: why not focus these actions on government and corporate locations actually associated directly with maintaining the status quo for fossil fuels?
Precisely. Makes one think what are they motive really, or guts
I mean, they kinda did. A protest at an oil plant is barely going to get any relevant media coverage. Those happen pretty often by a lot of different groups, how many did you hear about or even remember this year alone? Cultural disruption is unfortunately more attention-grabbing, which means more of a hassle to the government.
Adding to that, vandalism damages are a blip for multi-billion dollar companies, as long as there's no media coverage they don't care. To achieve the same goals by only targeting coorporations/governments, they'd probably have to rise to the level of eco-terrorism, which I think everyone agrees it's a bad idea.
He answers this question in the video; it's mentioned that direct action on oil-related facilities does not generate the media focus the strategy relies on.
Imagine, the law that is throwing activists into jail for years literally has in its name the word "nuisance". "a person, thing, or circumstance causing inconvenience or annoyance." Years in jail for being a nuisance, not even a repeated nuisance, for being a single, limited time, nuisance.
Once upon a time having a social conscience was seen as a good thing. Sadly now having an iphone and finding your appropriate niche in a downhill spiralling world is what many folks aim for.
I think the shortest description of their activities is "desperate actions in desperate situation".
The whole time I was watching this I had this question in the back of my head about why they don't try to protest or disrupt things that actually involve the people running oil. Even that one younger member of JSO had to stop herself from saying "harmed" and switch to "disrupt", and I can accept disruption if it's putting direct pressure (like the writers' strikes) but the materiel actions of their stunts don't go beyond inconveniencing people. I think her response to a Police Officer saying he used to be a climate scientist to just go back to that job was understandable but frustrating. I want to know why he became an officer, because that could easily be a practical or financial decision and whether he agrees with their methods or not is a question worth asking.
The fact that they're comfortable enough to talk to the police kind of indicates to me they feel a level of safety in their actions most protestors don't, although on another level I wish everyone could feel that free to have a conversation like that without fear.
From this video it just seems like they defaced some artifacts rich people don't give a shit about and interrupted a performance of Les Mis. I was hoping that at least someone watching the show was a bigshot politician or oil baron but there was no mention of that. I don't understand their rationale for that target. And to be blunt from someone who agrees with their end goal I feel like most of their attempts at symbolic actions are muddled - maybe interrupting a musical with an arguably whitewashed view of leftism says something, but Stonehenge is just a historical site associated with a dead religion and Van Gogh was a poor, mentally ill Dutch artist whose work sells for millions now.
Just stop oil protesters will be the first to tell you to read “how to blow up a pipeline” and the last to understand why pipelines are the example target. Not that I agree with the book at all.
If the legal cost of non-violent activism becomes untenable how long till violence becomes inevitable?
In the US, I bet we see a large scale eco terrorist event within the next 2 years and it helps escalate the authoritarian cause of the conservative minority. Its going to be a rough few years.
This is exactly what I've always wanted to know about Just Stop Oil and similar groups! Thank you for putting this information together in an accessible format!
I saw a comment that discussed the thought about that oil companies might pay just stop oil to make people dislike oil protests more. And tbh.. that would make more sense
If that was true, we would know. There's too many people involved to keep something like that secret. Remember, every person involved in a conspiracy doubles the odds of it being uncovered.
This was a 10/10 video on the subject. You squeaked into every little nuance of the topic. I especially loved how honest you were about how terrifying it can be taking part in something like that. Fantastic job, will definitely be sharing this one!
I just don't see the value in antagonizing the Average Joe. It gives more ammunition for those who want to shut you down AND makes those who you inconvenienced cheer.
This display is also ironic: Two old people use energy ineffectively against the protections set up by those in power.
Almost as Ironic as the government system that caused the worst environment for workers and cause the most death by starvation using tools of the trade to represent them.
People said that about the march to Selma as well.
Disrupt and annoy common folk: Okay
Prevent ambulances to reach patients: Okay
Destroy art: Okay
Slightly discomfort private lifes of politicans: Out of question
Slightly discomfort private lifes of petro industry CEOs: Out of question
they literally do that all the time you just never hear about it. I wonder why...
This is so true lmao, I commented under one of their protests, spraying the orange cornflower on a royal billionaire wedding, and people are MAD at me, comments still come after 2 months and people still slide into my DM's calling me slurs 😂. They're billionaires, they'll be fine lmao.
The ambulance story was disinformation spread by right-wing news outlets. The ambulances were not late, and there was a helicopter anyway
Also, no art is being destroyed. If you look real close, you can see there's protective glass around it
Change starts with organizing. Protests draw attention, but organizing is the real threat to the ruling class that makes them actually listen, however temporarily and however little. That's also why organizing needs to revolve around democracy, not specific issues; let protesters draw attention to the issues that the organized people talk about how to address. A society organized around (common, not the fraud called "representative") democracy has the power to change the systems of political and economic governance themselves, without the "thoughts and prayers" approach of asking the rulers to do the right thing on your behalf. They may control the state, but you can take over local government, local economies, and branch outwards until your movement controls everything, and from there the ruling class has no choice other than to take the people seriously.
But that can't be the goal. That has to be a stepping stone towards full democratization, towards overthrowing the ruling class entirely through that democratic organization's efforts (violent revolutions won't fix things, they will merely change who stands at the top, and it will never be the people themselves. At "best" it will be individuals whose "hearts are in the right place," but who, because the SYSTEMS don't change to require democracy, don't represent anyone but themselves and their own ideas) so that their interests no longer dictate national, foreign, and economic policy.
People are organising, some of them the same ones doing these kinds of protest. Look up Assemble or similar citizens assembly groups, it's not that people aren't trying, it just doesn't get into the media for people to hear about
@@mightbeafrog "Positive Leftist News" (YT show) talks about international leftist efforts once a month that briefly mention some others.
You've proven how poor the security has been in public buildings. Like you, I was astonished why the building wasn't simply shut down and everyone cleared out within 5 minutes by an emergency alarm.
absolutely fantastic video. you showcase an instance of the topic of discussion at length, you give the inciting actors full time to calmly explain themselves without pressure, you made the effort to select opposing viewpoints who actually have an understanding of the topic to give their opinions, you use all this to puzzle together the conversation that is playing out through these events and viewpoints, and you invite the now better educated viewer to come to a nuanced conclusion. it's kind of surreal seeing actual journalism happening in the modern day, not to mention revealing of how severely mainstream media has abandoned these principles, and i hope one day videos like these, made by normal, contemporary, thinking people, about real issues, get analysed in schools as a way of setting a standard about honest discussion
It blows my mind you apologise because of your interaction with the guard. You are not obliged to tell him anything... He's just a security guard, just tell him you was there to see the exhibition and walk away. If he asks you to leave when you did nothing wrong, then that looks bad on them, it is not illegal to film. Especially what do they expect when something as big as what was happening occured.
Being honest and demanding that the "justice system" deal with you is the point. That's why Tom says he'll do better next time.
@@brenta2634 He had a press card. He can legitimately film all that happened - and to wait until the police herded him away - still filming.
what is this gibberish?
@@AtheistEve I did expect the NUJ card thing to be a Chekhov’s Gun (leading to a refusal to accept its legitimacy or something) and then it just fizzled out 😅
If you think this is scary, imagine the direct action that would be involved to throw over existing power structures like capital and the state. Because nobody is going to legislate their way out of this pit b
"If we lose roe we'll riot" - libs who in fact, didn't riot
As an American, I'm baffled they got metal tools that far into a building with a national artifacts. We have metal detectors all over the national mall in DC
The increased police power tho, very relatable.
Sounds to me like protesters just need to be more imaginative in how they carry out these acts of activism. Honestly, if I wasn’t such a coward, I’d probably have a lot of fun plotting these kinds of extreme peaceful protest.
A broken glass, with legacy inside, just so people understand that that's nothing compared with corporate genocide, should speak volumes.
I, personally, appreciate history, but if as a people we won't listen, this seems justified.
Rupert's group sounds great, but it does somewhat prove that only disruptive civil disobedience gains any form of attention or publicity, as I've never heard of the Climate Majority Project before now
I’d vaguely heard something but thought it was just a survey or a mailing list or something. It does seem pretty obscure.
I can’t believe Tom Nicholas Cage stole the Blimey Declaration of Independence!!
he obviously just wanted to stop oil
Honestly, this has entirely changed my perspective on JSO, for the longest time my main gripe was they seemed pointless and directionless with their actions, understanding that there is a theory of change behind them (even if i am unsure of its efficacy) has shifted how i see them greatly.
One of the biggest things that direct action achieves is to drive people who support the cause but not the tactics towards more ‘moderate’ organisations. They make the ‘moderates’ appear more reasonable in comparison to themselves, and that is intensely powerful. It’s something that is absolutely recognised within activist communities.
I am a firm supporter of their goal, but I do feel like some (not all) of Just Stop Oil actions are causing more of a public disturbance than a political one. I agree that something needs to be done, and I'm fine with breaking display cases and throwing paint in order to cause financial damage to state-managed organisations and big corporations. However, we're post-brexit and we've seen the impact that misplaced public outrage can have on our country, and that's without taking into account to stupid anti-immigration riots that have been happening recently.
You have a British version of National Treasure?!
Usually we just steal other countries treasure.
@@brulsmurfthey should be better at war then 🤷♂️
@@conormurphy4328Insufferable
@@brulsmurf Not so much anymore, but you had a hell of a run.
You mean the Magna Carta?, the document copied by your founding fathers to make your precious declaration.
If you want to see what effective protest against oil looks like, look no further than the ukranian UAV campaign.
Tom, the fact that you recognize your response to the guard wasn't the best, is awesome. The adrenaline of the situation very much excuses it, but being honest about mistakes speaks character.
What does surprise me about JSO protest tactics is when they march on roads
1) they could walk at normal speed
2) they could do 5-10 minutes at a time and then split up and regroup somewhere else. This would limit the aggravation for those disrupted while still getting their attention and also make it more disruptive to police.
If they only caused a 15-minute disruption, it would get no media attention.
@@monkeymox2544 It might if they did it again and again on the same day. Possibly not though. Seems to me it would be worth trying.
I don’t care if they damage an old bit of paper. The moment they make everyday people have worse lives, missing flights, being late to work school etc, they make themselves the enemy of the people. Would you be calm if you were made to miss a vacation that cost thousands of dollars? Would you be calm if you were made to be late to a uni exam or lab or just to work? I wouldn’t be. The damages of that if they were added up should be placed squarely on the protesters shoulders. You block a road and a bus of people fail their exams? Cost of the classes times the number of people should be mandatory. An hour of missed work for 500 people? In London you’re looking at $12,000. Make it easy for thousands of people to levy claims against the activist for damages, and they will stop.
So much better to be blind and ignorant, isn't it!
Hey Tom! Integrity is great and all, but I don't think the title is clickbaity enough
This feels like straight up propaganda. Your best argument for JSO having a positive impact was gesturing towards (potentially empty) promises from the UK government to stop issuing new licenses to drill for oil in some areas, and then just assuming that JSO can be thanked for that. In your own words, "It would be ludicrous to suggest it wasn't even a factor." Kinda begs the question, would it?
Public hatred for JSO is near universal on both the right and left, as you showed. They're the climate change equivalent of PETA. I think, if anything, JSO had a negative impact on progress towards Net Zero goals. That's my just conjecture, but hell, it's as good as yours!
this has to be a clear "Harmful or dangerous acts" type of comment.
anyone doing anything good in a public way is not worth as little as you and are doing real things. why hold back things we desperately need.
your mindset is dangerous!
@@sudd3660There is a thing as causing more harm than good whilst having good intentions. This is an example of this.
You are not immune to propaganda.
I love how when people were protesting over that stabbing the south port, I kept hearing this about the migration...
But when stop oil is protesting, the same people say that they are causing nuisance and causing ambulance services to stop working...
I live in the province of Québec, one of the first state (if not the first) to completely ban new oil exploitation on our territory, all the permits that were given have been revoked in 2022, and we didn't do it by throwing food on important pieces of art!
Yes we need to do more, but their tactics don't work. I was very aware of the climate crisis before I heard about them. So those protests just piss me off.
I however agree when they stop private jets and other similar actions.
Indeed the proper way to bring about change is to inform and educate people, particularly your friends and relatives. not much about like clowns.
I recommend everyone enjoying this to read Andreas Malm's "How to b10wup a p1pel1ne".
I personally think that the sort of less disturbtive action as done by the extinction rebelion or Just Stop Oil but escalation is required to make the more moderate activists heard.
so... just do as so many insurectionists do.
I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. What do you mean by more moderate activists being heard?
Kind reminder that crude oil is not just petrol, it’s used in almost every industry from medicine to chemistry to cosmetics to electronics to clothing to industrial equipment etc. It’s pretty much ubiquitous. Ironically, the paint these groups are using probably contains chemicals derived from oil, same for a lot of those posters and the dye in their hair.
As for why all these processes are so slow, well a lot comes down to technology and innovation. There are very few alternatives and even those alternatives can have problems. Some alternative fuels still produce green house gases. There’s also the question of infrastructure. Public transport is a great way to reduce emissions, however it’s often tied into urbanization and economic inequality, it’s expensive, it takes years to build, building costs energy etc. Which gets into how does energy go from where it’s produced to consumers? There are losses and things like solar, wind, hydroelectric stations and other renewable energy sources are definitely great but they can’t be placed just anywhere because they require certain conditions to function properly and some of them f*ck with the environment in other ways. All of that still doesn’t help with reducing oil in just about every product used in modern society. Just to take a few seconds to actually think about the logistics of how to reduce oil, what that means, what the current alternatives are and whether those alternatives can meet demand (if those things are more expensive, they’re probably not accessible to people with low income, which will cause social and economic problems). What these groups mostly do is being a complete nuisance and then delegating all responsibility and work onto someone else. At least try to propose some kind of plan even if it’s not a full solution.
I appreciate that this video humanizes the activists. Something sorely lacking in almost all coverage of JSO.
Great video tom! Whatever the opinion on JSO is, we need to be demanding way more from our governments to do more. We can actually solve the cost of living and help the climate by taxing the very wealthy until they are not as wealthy, then they csn stop polluting at the rate of small countries
Is there a limit to the times you can change the video title?
Just saying, in Poland many people seeing this, would stop them in couple of seconds, most of us takes our national heritage very seriously.
exactly what I was thinking!!!!! About Poland... Poland is our last defence in this stupid world...
blind nationalism is nothing to brag about, no material will matter when the climate crisis inevitably destroys and displaces as it already is.
I wonder if the polish people would organize and protest the looming environmental catastrophe just as hard as they would defend some historical documents. The consequences for failure in both cases are drastically different. Being patriotic doesn't make you a "good" citizen of your nation.
2.9 is optimistic. 2.9 is the minimum we can keep it to if we act now. This is clearly not happening. Billions will die from climate change and associated wars. It is the single largest threat to society as we know it. I sympathize with their aims, but I seriously doubt they will achieve anything meaningful. I gave up years ago. I still talk about it with anyone that brings it up, but I'm done trying to save capitalism. It can't be saved.
It's much more fun to talk about the coming Water Wars anyway.
My prediction for the US and Canada is total dissolution of the state as people become more interested in protecting scarce resources than adhering to any sense of national unity and that new governments will form around the defense of fresh water sources like the Great Lakes. Basically, the people living around the Great Lakes will confederate and militantly defend the water from any outsiders, otherwise known as drylanders.
With the central North American aquifers all dried up and the southern US being too hot to live in, people will try to move north to the remaining water. Nothing says mass violence like protectionist attitudes and a large migrant population. The UK rioters are going to look like school children when compared with the stuff people will do when something as precious as water becomes contested.
@@rainbowkrampus so will Canada throw squirtle to start the water wars or what?
Billions really? What sort of time period is that over?
Climate doomerism is tempting but you shouldn't give up, and you shouldn't be dissuading anyone from trying to make their small difference. Collective action has been at the forefront of many societal changes, and if people start going soft on governments BECAUSE they've given up then it causes the self fufilling prophecy of change not happening.
@@rainbowkrampus Isn't the technology to purify sea water getting better and better ? Who know we might avoid a water war if it become good enough.
Yeah mate Amsterdam will not vanish by rising sea, we've been preparing for that shit for a looooooooong while...
i like how a lot of these activists think that making everyone hate them is a good way to get what they want
It exposes the hypocrisy of the public, no? You rage at someone slapping some paint on some glass but say nothing when oil companies cause actual wars in 3rd world counties or leak millions of gallons of oil into our oceans. Imagine hating some people for throwing orange flour on some rocks over the villainy of oil billionaires. Be consistent with your rage or shut up, respectfully.
I wasn't aware the Magna Carta was polluting the planet. :/
she does it when nobody's looking
Does Just stop Oil Activism work?
*No. No it doesn't.*
So much better to be blind and ignorant, isn't it!
Sue and Judy remind me of an 82 year old nun who did 2 years in federal prison for a 2014 protest against nuclear weapons. Her name is Megan Rice.
Solidarity forever ladies ✊
I don't think you can be blamed for not flashing the press credentials to security, i was impressed that you didn't delete the footage frankly.
Confrontations are tense and scary and prioritising getting out of there is totally understandable
Honestly a really interesting video, really paints a light on who some of these people are and why they are doing it
Just Stop Oil's demonstrations are a genius form of performance art that includes the viewer as part of the performance. The soup/orange paint on precious artefacts represents the destruction of our precious environment, and the viewers perform outrage in response.
The fact that critics only have outrage for the protests but not the actual problem shows their hypocrisy - they ARE capable of outrage, but only about superficial things that don't matter in the long term.
Many people know we need to do more on the climate and hate the way jso go about things
it's not "performance art".... it's called vandalism and attempted destruction of historical fine art, which has nothing to do with the petro-corporations of today. by your logic, is a flasher in a public park performing "performance art" to unsuspecting "viewers"?
@@braunarschthe paintings and artefacts are behind plexiglass and have not been damaged by their actions.
The truth is if those in power continue to mismanage the climate emergency, those cultural artefacts could wind up underwater.
@@gothicgolem2947
then I'd say to those people that they need to grow up. Throwing a temper tantrum because your sporting event got interrupted or you had to wait in traffic for a little while (something that happens with JSO there or not) is as childish and narrow minded as it comes.
JSO and other environmentalist's tactics are actually very stupid. By doing the things they do they piss people off and make people hate them. If people hate you and you are doing these things in the name of climate change it will make people less willing to support that cause. People who otherwise could be convinced to do something about climate change will instead be turned off by the activists and do nothing. I recognize that climate change is an issue and something should be done about it but the people who are making themselves the face of climate change activism are so unlikable that it makes it hard to support the cause.
watched the entire video and..... learned absolutely nothing new from this..
all the "important" information given here was simply just the obvious..
this guy is just another one of those desperate for clout
Well, so long as you weren't disturbed out of your blind slumber, all must be well in your shuttered world.
thank you for reporting on this, fantastic content and very educational at a key time.
Tell me about nucleae, the obstacles to embracing it, and how we can overcome those obstacles.
If not, I dont see how I'm supoosed to take any of the other solutions seriously.
concrete is a material that can be dyed pretty easily. it's remarkably difficult to clean up. it is a huge source of co2 emissions. once concrete is dyed it needs to be poured somewhere at risk of solidifying in the mixing truck.
funny how the government trying to crack down on protestors has lead to none of the issues being solved.
you have the issue of today, where protestors routinely cause traffic disruptions and damage cultural institutions, even if they are arrested day and night
you have the issue of tomorrow, where our lack of climate action has caused significant damage to our economy and our wellbeing
in a perfect world, we would've solved both.
but this is a dystopia, we've solved neither.
today will be another day where art shouldn't need to be targeted, tomorrow will be another day where our wellbeing shouldn't have been destroyed.
why not solve both? 2 birds with 1 stone.
Why on Earth is a police officer in any kind of position to say "we don't want footage of a newsworthy event published, please delete it"??
Oh, I guess he's a guard, so he can say whatever he wants I guess.
I agree with just stop oil, but i cant get by them blocking the roads. They dont affect the people in power, only turn the people away from them. The stone henge, brilliant. Art? Meaningful only if theres a world to live in. But blocking the roads that ordinary people use and need? Counter productive
Blocking roads can be effective because it costs businesses and governments money to have their vehicles stuck in traffic. How effective obviously depends on the road and how long they can hold it for.
Thanks for your measured and touching video, humanizing the activists when the medias are mocking them. I was firmly opposed to that kind of activism and I still don't agree with STOs methods but it got me to think about how to ignite social change
Do I support them? Hell no. Do I think the law is shit? Fuck yes and it should be repealed.
If anyone now is curious or interested in supporting just stop oil or similar organizations in your country i highly recommend looking up your local a22 member or extinction rebellion chapter and get in contact. For example last generation in Germany regularly holds talks and presentations in most major cities in the country where you can learn more about the organization and potentially start your integration process.
You don't even have to do civil disobedience or even have contact with policeman if you don't want to. We have many safe tasks from finance, over legal and moral support to cooking and keeping your fellow activists fed where you can do your part or you can join one of our legal protest marches where there is usually no civil disobedience. Even if that is to much for you, any of those organizations are always happy over a financial donation.
The big problem with this type of activism is that in order for it to work, politicians need to be able to connect the activity with their goal. Most of you actions are too vague for anyone to know what is being opposed. And politicians are usually not the sharpest of the nation's pencils.
Oh the politicians know. Unfortunately its every day people being stupid that allow politicians to brush this shit off. The goal of cliamte protest is incredibly obvious, you are just playing uninformed for the sake of it.
And here I was thinking "STOP OIL" was simple enough even for politicians...
@@Bloodlinedev The slogan is, the methods... not likely. Politicians care what 'average Joe' thinks, and an average Joe sees a bunch of privileged kids being silly and causing disruption to THEM (not the politicians or anyone who could do anything about stopping oil) and then they expect from politicians to get rid off those privileged nuisances, not to stop investing/expanding oil consumption...
@@zwerko Politicians now EXACTLY what is what, dude.
JSO and multiple other protest organizations have sat at the same table and discussed what they want.
Where i am from The Last Generation won a case at the highest court (think of the American Supreme Court, but german) where the court ruled that the former and current government is breaking our constitution by not properly tackling climate change.
And nothing is happening to rectify this.
Also newly elected Labour MPs have received at least £45,000 from oil and gas lobbyists since the election last month. Global Witness released the story yesterday.