And thanks for flagging/deleting the comments of some scammers on crypto who orchestrated some coordinated posts. Good to know the AmpCharge Northmead site is now open - I checked on their website a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't ready then
That’s important. You would think they would have thought of that considering all of the petrol bowsers are covered. They could build a solar panel roof just to help a bit for cost recovery.
Tom, retail bowser setups have windscreen cleaning equipment and bins available next to ICE cars but I didn't see these at the Ampol in your video. So I scanned hundreds of google's "images" of overseas charging stations and discovered that this is also a trend for dedicated new build BEV charging stations. Are BEV owners a special breed?
This brand deserves a lot of success for the pricing for a decent range, power and size of vehicle. Too many times, the customer is being charged way too much. This helps to increase popularity of evs in Aus.
@@LudicrousFeed The blade battery is very safe comparing with others. For example, the one Model Y uses. It can withstand 800'C temperature and the destructive impact.
I have an Atto 3 now - proud owner for 2 weeks - and I totally recommend them. My daily commute to work is 15-20 minutes each way (sorry, not sure what it is in kms) and I use 4-5% of the battery. So driving to work and back last week, I went from 100% battery to 76%. It is so efficient and I am loving it!
Tom, thanks for the informative video. Also a great idea to give charging locations a rating. As I don't have an EV yet I found it really informative just to see a charger in use. Looks easy enough for even me to use. Cheers!
Strong? BYD so far has promised a lot and delivered not much. Late delivery, price rises, reduced warranty coverage. Let’s see how they roll out the first batch of vehicles and deal with inevitable service hiccups and other issues.
What occurred to me when you showed those floor mats with the usual dirt that accumulates, is that it would be handy if there was a vacuum cleaner located at the charging stall, so you could make use of your time while waiting, to give the floors a quick vacuum out.
I have an Atto 3 on order. The V2L adapter looks like someone hacked the end off a bunnings power strip and wired it into a Type 2 connector especially at the strain relief part. I wonder if there is just a resistor somewhere that tells it how much current is allowed to pass.
It's definitely a cheap power board which someone thought was a good idea. For durability, I'd much prefer a standard single socket which you could plug a powerboard into if you needed it. Strange that the vehicle doesn't show the power draw. Although it would be easy to measure using a simple smart plug and app.
Hi Tom. Gee the rate of charge drops quick on the Atto 3. It’s a shame it can’t stay at 80kw until at least 70-80%. Also is there a non App option to pay for the power? It would be nice to be able to pay like you do with petrol or at least have a tap and go card reader on the charger.
There is an ‘Autocharge’ option in the AmpCharge app which allows automatic charging when plugged in for selected chargers. Will have to test that in future
I'm pleasantly surprised about the quality of the app, hoping Ampol will roll out more chargers across their other stations, a fantastic alternative to Evie and Chargefox (and superchargers)
Hi Tom, nice review. That DC charging curve isn't great. Drops rather quickly to about 60kW. Did you happen to test 10Amps charge by using Tesla UMC? And 15A? Keen to see the result as Tesla UMC is priced quite well and could be a worthwhile purchase if it charges faster, especially with 15A tail
Hello from israel,quick question regard the AC charge,there is a debate in israel in the upcoming BYD cars,does it support 3 phase and 11 KWH? In israel the importer say yes,but from your video i can see that it does not.can it be that the there is a 2 version of atto 3?
Some says BYD atto 3 slow charging on LFP is to prevent overheating of battery (many EV with ternary battery get hot & burnbin while overnight charging), longer life etc Not sure if that rumor is true
Those Ampol ABB chargers have a current limit of 200A. That means on 400V EV (Most EV are 400V) you get a charge rate of 90kW max, only 800V EV get the full 180kW charge rate. It's now $0.60 / kWh.
@@LudicrousFeed it would be interesting as the LFP won't degrade as much over time - and I'd be interested to know if the charging speed indeed drops off above 80 or so %, or not, since the battery chemistry is different.
Even though the excuse BYD Au has for charging so much is that it is a BYD charge that applies to all Oceana countries not just Australia. Did he lie to justify using Eagers and my car?
@@LudicrousFeed living in an apartment with only “on street” parking would mean I would have to do what you just did 2-3 times a week with none of my individual trips being longer than 50 minutes. If you live in a home and can plug in overnight I can see how this can work well for people but apartment living with only on street partying would not suit EV ownership. Ironically apartment living is the more sustainable option compared to house ownership (more efficient use of space, less building materials per capital during construction etc) so when you see an EV owner charging in the garage of their lavish large house somehow I think I am more green with my ice cAR.
Hi LF I'd love it if the max charging speed was higher. The Atto 3 had some major pros: Safety and longevity of the Blade cell battery, range is excellent. Major cons: slow max charging speed of only 80kw, very expensive servicing (most expensive service costs of any other EV available in Australia - and no good reason why).
What is odd is the Atto 3 is on BYD's latest 800V e-platform 3.0 architecture, yet still has such a slow charging speed. Especially since the Seal, which is on the same platform, charges much faster, up to 150 kW on the big battery. The 61 kWh Seal is rated for 110 kW, so I don't understand why the Atto 3 with the same sized battery is only rated for 80 kW, and can't even sustain the 80 kW speed all the way through.
@@tren133 When the battery is cold, for sure it will maintain the charging speed much longer. As the temperature rises, the charging speed will get slower. It is no different from your cellphone.
Looks like it's not convenient at all for travelling a long distance (eg. from Sydney to Brisbane/Melbourne - around 1000km) where you need to charge at least 2-4 times with 360km for a full charge. And that will add an extra 2 hours (or more) compared to a combustion engine car
Yes however this is a budget ev unlike the much more expensive fast charging evs. Also compared to a ice car, it will be cheaper to drive and doesn't need fossil fuels to drive. All about perspective and what's important to you. Also on a 1000km drive you should be taking breaks for safety anyway. Charging forces breaks which is great for safety
Rubbish. You combine charging sessions with the standard meal breaks and waste 0 time at a smelly service station. Modern EV can travel well above 400km on one charge. I do 30000km / a with frequent 900km trips inland NSW / QLD in an EV with now 335000km on the clock regularly. Only issue is the reliability of Tritium brand chargers but hopefully that improves soon. And yes, right now you buy a Tesla as their network is super reliable.
They charge quickest for the first 15 minutes so the best strategy is just to take more frequent, shorter breaks, so for example just add about 30% of charge at a time which is about 110kms or so - just enough time to take a bathroom break, stretch your legs and have a quick snack or drink. Of course, for the first stretch you would be charged to at least 90% from home charging so if you deplete the battery down to about 20% and charge to 50%, your first break would be about 250kms or about 2.5 hours, then every 70 minutes or so thereafter, the idea being to just utilize the higher charging speeds that you get from charging a near-empty battery.
Not a friendly setup if you have a trailer or caravan. Locations should plan for that eventually for the future. Perhaps your score criteria should take towing into account. Just a thought......tradies in particular have trailers.
I think there will be cyber truck and other brand of Electric Ute (China made) available in 2024 ? Atto 3 small SUV may not be the best choice for a Ute. I think vast majority trademens wouldn't buy an EV, let alone China made. But Cyber truck may be, if they can afford & had gotten an order in Currently it can tow ~700kg, not a lot but still able to.
Have you been able to start charging from these units with the QR code Tom? I was at northmead the other night, I kept getting an error when trying. (though I guess easily solved by just finding the location on the app and starting it that way) Also seems to be limited to 60-70kw, others on plugshare were remarking the same even though it's currently advertised as 180kw.
This was my first time at Northmead. I remember reading a sign at Alexandria when it first opened saying the speed would be limited initially. I’ll have to return to test after 1 Sep 2022 when they start charging a fee
@@LudicrousFeed Yeah I had a feeling the limit was to prevent the giveaway of "too much free juice" (unless you're the guy I saw there at 1-2(ish)AM the other morning, he was probably taking it all hahah) I don't recall seeing a sign for the limited speed here though. While I don't have too much of an issue with the lack of inside seating (as the location is on the small side) and I can sit in the car, I do think the locations should be covered in some way. When I was there last Friday night fighting with the QR code of doom it started to rain, so I was adding payment info as quickly as I could to start charging and get back in the car. 😂
I read that it's apparently only a 200amp charger which means the most a tesla m3 will get is around 74kw. The atto3 is likely the same? 🤷♂️ Either way the charging speed is bloody ordinary for 60c per kw.
@@kyle797 Yeah looking at the specs again it would appear so and only cars that can charge at higher than 480v can take advantage of the (semi-misadvertised or badly/vaguely advertised?) speed of 180kW from the CCS. I guess if you're near this charger, *need* a faster charge than 60-70kW and can make it 10 mins down the M2 or Old Windsor Road to Seven Hills, go to the 350kW Evie chargers at Abbott Road instead, they're the same price per kWh. (Also next to 24 hour Woolies Metro along with Hungry Jacks and Guzman Y Gomez - both open until 11pm most nights, midnight on Friday/Saturday)
Some Gen 2 HPWC can be switched to Legacy mode which is the Type2 protocol for all EV. But I doubt that the BYD would charge on a Tesla protocol AC charger (= most Destination Charger sites).
I wonder if Electric car quick charging scales well. Peak holiday times would be crazy. Maybe if everyone is just doing quick top ups . Otherwise it needs to get much faster 😩
It is a shame that the fast charging rate is only 80Kw, it should support at least 250kw. With the right fast charger network road trips would be no problem. I guess for the daily commute this is a non-issue. I would prefer to wait for an improved model that has better fast charging, this initial model will likely depreciate too much given this technical limitation.
The ABB charger that you use to test each EV only output 200 Amp, as shown on the machine label. You will not see the battery charge faster than 90 kw in that charger, unless the battery is based on the 800 volt system. Even if the battery can accept more than 90 kw, you will never see it with that 200 Amp charger. So it is Not a fair charging test. You should find a charger that output 350 Amp or even better at 500 Amp. To show the true charge capability of the car.
Thanks Tom, I have a ATTO 3 on order I was disappointed that the type 2 charger using a home 3 phase power supply only charges at 6.3kw no advantage utilising 3 phase 415 volt power supply for faster charging same speed as single phase 240 volt, I am in the process of converting my home power to 3 phase and purchasing a 3 phase Zappi charger I will still do this for future vehicles, hopefully when the BYD Tang comes to Australia which I really want a larger SUV will possibly have a faster 3 phase 415v volt charging speed
I am on off grid solar and also charge a Model S which has a (rare) 22kW ac charger. The 6.3kW of the BYD would require around 8kWp of solar panels.....how much is on your roof? Normally EV single phase charger are 7.4kW =32A or 2x16A on a 3 phase outlet.....I wonder if low voltage at the outlet (Tom?) was the issue here. BTW even 6.3kW is plenty for overnight charging 👍
I personally don't think it is the right way to control the charging all via an app. Supporting payment by phone is good, but you need to consider the situation when senior people use it or someone's phone is simply drained or lost.
I see an ‘Auto-Charge’ option on the AmpCharge app where it starts charging automatically upon plugging in at certain locations after the initial signup without needing to whip out your device each time thereafter. That seems like a fair compromise to me
Too high state of charge Tom, 10% or less is what you want. Plus if you record it fully can give us the charge curve to compare to BYD's curve. Posted bit early, would be better if they supported plug & charge which is what should be happen for all chargers Tesla like plus contactless payment. Not more apps or rfid cards.
Thanks. Bit disappointing on the charge speeds - both for AC & DC. A Tesla Model 3/Y can charge from 10% to 90% for free off home solar panels during the peak solar period of 10am-2pm
This is not true unless you have have 20kW/h of panel capacity, and that's not likely for ANY Australian home. Moreover, lots of people drive to work so can only charge via home solar on the weekend.
@@sanjaygupta666 I think you need to learn about the difference between a kilowatt and a kilowatt HOUR. Average home solar arrays can generate 15 kilowatts per day... sometimes up to double in summer months. So in winter the average home with solar would need 4 days to charge the BYD from zero to 100% and half that time in summer, assuming only the EV was connected to supply.
@@remakeit2628 That's ok I know the difference. It wouldn't have been much for BYD to have a higher rate onboard AC charger (or DC either). A 15kW solar system can average around 55kWh per day annually, particularly with micro inverters
@@sanjaygupta666 Most States limit the feed in from home solar to 5 kilowatts per hour, so I don't think you do understand. I have a very large home and I could not install enough panels on the "sunny side" to knock out 15 kilowatts per hour even if that entire roof area was covered. BYD's charging rate is deliberately lowered to extend battery life, just in case you were unaware.
The 30-40 mins are perfect for a meal break when travelling and otherwise you charge overnight at home. No more woeful wasting time at smelly servos, great.
It is all about $. If petroleum remain low, even in times of military conflict who will want to switch to EV. It's because petrol is costly, & soon military conflict will make petroleum, related product all very scarce That's reason, thus spank in the butt, make us quickly realize EV adaption is necessary; it's cheaper using eletricity then petroleum per km. Also get to use the vehicles in times of scarcity of petroleum products
@@jondoe5536 That's what people who are aware of the geopolitical things understand... Like the artificial contagious things This will be a long time of turmoil. Most of all world is ruled, run by *world plan* And one is NWO That's basically mean turmoil, war, society unrest, mayhem; (& climate warming to now "climate change") all in one same package! (ideologies clashes, religious, etc) So that these thing boils down to... For the evolution of human civilization NWO = Establishment of the Mark Lateinos 666 (60yrs later) (mark supposedly will keep society, people safe from all these evils) A New World A New Order For us it only means, before the big spanking comes. Move to EV so we have one less petroleum to tight us down. Able to move around somewhat until EV 12V batteries etc need some replacement. The whole world will experience these, current example: Sri Lanka Also Ukraine. (soon Serbia & her Kosovo, thk u NATO for this) Anyway yes Australia will experience certainly society unrest
Is that charger only capable of outputting 117 kW? The EV6 is amongst the fastest charging cars on the market. In the US on a 150 kW EA charger (which is actually provisioned for 175 kW of power), the EV6 or Ioniq 5 will charge at 170 kW flat until it reaches around 70% SOC before starting to taper down. On a 350 kW charger, the EV6 would be able to sustain 220 kW speeds at low SOC. It's odd that you are only getting like 120 kW speeds.
800V is just a hype. Most fast chargers are 400V and the then required conversion makes charging inefficient and slow. Ask yourself why the 400V Tesla Plaid drives circles around an 800V Porsche Taycan. For the price of one 350kW charger you can install 4 75kW charger which can service 8 EV simultaneously. 800V means you can charge in 18 mins. but owners find that it is a useless period of time as you cannot walk away and have a meal or go shopping but have to stay with the car. What is more sensible here?
@@moestrei 800v makes more sense at a “petrol station” type setup where it’s all about volume of cars serviced. I see a future model of per kWh charge + time charge. Slower charging cars will be penalised
@@geoffsteffens1640 Volume of cars serviced.....for one 350kW charger you can get 4 75kW charger with 2 outputs each = 8 cars. Given that 99% of all EV are 400V vehicles it just doesn't make sense. There is currently no EV on the market which gets even close to 350kW peak.
Amazing that a company with 'Petrol' in their company name (Australian Motorists Petrol cOmpany Limited) is now supplying electrons to EVs. Sadly 1/2 of the charger wasted with a chademo connector (those few cars should get a conversion kit / adapter) but great that they use a reliable charger brand. A fail that the ABB does not display the power rating when charging. Kempower brand chargers display a graph of SOC and charge rate vs time on your app, which is what you really want. Looking at the app there is a (future?) feature called Autocharge which is Charge & Pay were the charger 'learns' the car's Id once (the comms chip MAC address) and then authorises the charging process automatically in subsequent sessions. Pricing will be interesting but as you stated the site ticks all the boxes. Even I personally prefer Tesla or traditional brands the onslaught of Asian made EVs will bring the prices down which is great and needed for average income earners to convert to EVs. Great comprehensive report, Tom.....ticks all the boxes as well 😃
@@jondoe5536 I have a Chademo to Tesla adapter (and a CCS2 kit fitted) which means I can charge on both. Works reliably. The high number of defect charger is a brand issue, not a network or system problem. I guess that's the reason Ampol imports ABB hardware rather than using the local product.
Type 2 is AC charging, this is CCS2. Yes, networks need to wake up and stop wasting expensive fast chargers with Chademo. Those cars should get conversion kits or adapters.
@@LudicrousFeed In that case ARENA needs to wake up to reality asap. As an electronics engineer let me tell you that a conversion kit for the handful of Chademo cars would be way more sensible.
Fire and too fast charging goes hand in hand. Perhaps why BYD limit their vehicle to slightly slower charge plus less energy density... LFP Longer life and no garage, vehicles or near things get burned down while overnight charging Hopefully
The charge rate is relative to the cost of the vehicle. Better cooling capacity, temperature monitoring plus R&D pushes the price up. The architecture of the physical battery maybe limiting the capacity to disparate the heat. Additional components also increases weight, reduces efficiency, reduces range and acceleration. This is where another brand excels
@@andrewflies9119 Price per km range $175 to $180+ per km for lowest trim of model Y $140 to $148 per km for BYD atto 3 For not wealthy people will have to make do with affordable cars.
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*** I'm deducting a further point from Safety because the charger is not undercover 38/50 76% ***
And thanks for flagging/deleting the comments of some scammers on crypto who orchestrated some coordinated posts. Good to know the AmpCharge Northmead site is now open - I checked on their website a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't ready then
That’s important. You would think they would have thought of that considering all of the petrol bowsers are covered. They could build a solar panel roof just to help a bit for cost recovery.
Tom, retail bowser setups have windscreen cleaning equipment and bins available next to ICE cars but I didn't see these at the Ampol in your video. So I scanned hundreds of google's "images" of overseas charging stations and discovered that this is also a trend for dedicated new build BEV charging stations. Are BEV owners a special breed?
@@remakeit2628 I personally like to have the option to clean my windscreen of bugs on road trips 🦟
This brand deserves a lot of success for the pricing for a decent range, power and size of vehicle. Too many times, the customer is being charged way too much. This helps to increase popularity of evs in Aus.
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@@LudicrousFeed The blade battery is very safe comparing with others. For example, the one Model Y uses. It can withstand 800'C temperature and the destructive impact.
I have an Atto 3 now - proud owner for 2 weeks - and I totally recommend them. My daily commute to work is 15-20 minutes each way (sorry, not sure what it is in kms) and I use 4-5% of the battery. So driving to work and back last week, I went from 100% battery to 76%. It is so efficient and I am loving it!
Awesome! Congratulations on your new car, wishing you many years of enjoyment 🙌
Stupid question, but can you charge it and still sit in the car using the air conditioning?
@@arshsharma1585 I don't know, I've never tried it.
@@arshsharma1585 I know that ioniq5 will allow you, infact it's seats can be adjusted to be comfortable
@@arshsharma1585 never a stupid question, when you are trying to learn something. Don’t forget that.
Tom, thanks for the informative video. Also a great idea to give charging locations a rating. As I don't have an EV yet I found it really informative just to see a charger in use. Looks easy enough for even me to use. Cheers!
Very easy 😃🙏
Loved how you cold opened your video with cooking with your BYD lol
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Really enjoying your Atto 3 content. I'm very interested in this car and BYDs future in Aus. They seem to be starting off really strong.
Strong? BYD so far has promised a lot and delivered not much. Late delivery, price rises, reduced warranty coverage. Let’s see how they roll out the first batch of vehicles and deal with inevitable service hiccups and other issues.
Thanks! 🙏
Strong at scamming people lol
@@emmett3067 The EVdirect website still says the same price? Is that fake price?
Really have you checked the awful warranty and overpriced servicing compared to nzl
very good and informative video and none of the fluff and distraction music and banter. cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Tom... Great to see the variety of charging options demonstrated. Keep em coming buddy
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What occurred to me when you showed those floor mats with the usual dirt that accumulates, is that it would be handy if there was a vacuum cleaner located at the charging stall, so you could make use of your time while waiting, to give the floors a quick vacuum out.
That would be handy
Great video, one of the major requirements for my family is the restroom and the cleanliness!
Me too
@@LudicrousFeed extra bonus would be free wifi
I have an Atto 3 on order. The V2L adapter looks like someone hacked the end off a bunnings power strip and wired it into a Type 2 connector especially at the strain relief part. I wonder if there is just a resistor somewhere that tells it how much current is allowed to pass.
Could they have used a cheaper power board?
The Duosida 10A charger seems a bit cheap too tbh. At 1.7kW you might not even be able to get to 100% overnight, depending on starting SoC....
It definitely doesn’t look like an OEM part that’s for sure, looks like something I’d slap together in the shed 😂
@@ad_fletch at 1.7kwh it would take 24 hours to charge the Atto3 from 20-80%.. so definitely not an overnight charge option
It's definitely a cheap power board which someone thought was a good idea. For durability, I'd much prefer a standard single socket which you could plug a powerboard into if you needed it. Strange that the vehicle doesn't show the power draw. Although it would be easy to measure using a simple smart plug and app.
Great informative video Tom
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Great video thanks. Didn’t realise they had an app. Good to know so I can see if the chargers are available
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I just waiting for BYD Tang DM-P. That car is what I really want.
Great video. Timely considering the subject.👍👍
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@10:49 - "Who knows, one day the chargers may be in the majority", put a pin in that Tom. I highly suspect those words will age very well.
Let’s hope
Hi Tom. Gee the rate of charge drops quick on the Atto 3. It’s a shame it can’t stay at 80kw until at least 70-80%.
Also is there a non App option to pay for the power? It would be nice to be able to pay like you do with petrol or at least have a tap and go card reader on the charger.
There is an ‘Autocharge’ option in the AmpCharge app which allows automatic charging when plugged in for selected chargers. Will have to test that in future
I'm pleasantly surprised about the quality of the app, hoping Ampol will roll out more chargers across their other stations, a fantastic alternative to Evie and Chargefox (and superchargers)
Great to see AmpCharge basically front and centre of this service station
Didn't realise that this is about 5 minutes from my residence! Even more reason to try and save up for an EV ASAP!
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Bit OT but did you buy the roti frozen or make yourself? And if bought was it good? I used to buy frozen and air fry when I lived in Singapore!
Frozen from Aldi - Urban Eats Range - Made in Malaysia. Delicious 😋
@@LudicrousFeed Time to check it out!!
Loving the windows 3.1 design language/user interface
Tom, did you need to use the Tesla app at all with the Tesla wall charger??... or is it all done through the BYD display?
No app required - started charging automatically
Hi Tom, nice review. for the V2L are you able to test if there is an overload cutoff?
Perhaps if I get another loan of the car 🙏
So how much in total did it cost you? Glad to find one nearby my home.
This session was free because the charger was in testing phase at time of video
Hi Tom, nice review. That DC charging curve isn't great. Drops rather quickly to about 60kW. Did you happen to test 10Amps charge by using Tesla UMC? And 15A? Keen to see the result as Tesla UMC is priced quite well and could be a worthwhile purchase if it charges faster, especially with 15A tail
Not on this occasion but perhaps another time
Eggcellent choice in roti
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Thank you Tom 😊
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Hello from israel,quick question regard the AC charge,there is a debate in israel in the upcoming BYD cars,does it support 3 phase and 11 KWH? In israel the importer say yes,but from your video i can see that it does not.can it be that the there is a 2 version of atto 3?
Website says single phase AC charging only
Different chargers are offered at different markets. Here in Australia most homes have single phase connections only.
Some says BYD atto 3 slow charging on LFP is to prevent overheating of battery (many EV with ternary battery get hot & burnbin while overnight charging), longer life etc
Not sure if that rumor is true
@@james_l4337 Urban myth.....
Those Ampol ABB chargers have a current limit of 200A. That means on 400V EV (Most EV are 400V) you get a charge rate of 90kW max, only 800V EV get the full 180kW charge rate. It's now $0.60 / kWh.
I’ll have to test it with an Ioniq5
It’s coming to Thailand too
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Thanks can I ask your opinion on the awful warranty and servicing costs in australia compared to nzl
You can ask - check out my recent live stream on this topic where we discussed it in depth
Thanks for doing the charging tests. Will the Atto 3 be able to be charged at Tesla destination chargers?
Depends on whether the Tesla destination chargers have been set to Tesla only or all cars (it’s dependent on the individual charger)
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks for the reply. Is it possible for an individual charger to be reset/altered to be able to be used for any electric vehicle?
Technically yes
- it’s called ‘Legacy’ mode for Gen 2 Tesla (dipswitch)
- Backend software setting for Gen 3 Tesla
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks for the information, I think the charger is a Gen 2. I will see if it can be set to Legacy. Thanks for your advice.
If you have the time charge beyond 80% the LFP Blade Battery loves it.
Will have to try it again another time 🙏
@@LudicrousFeed it would be interesting as the LFP won't degrade as much over time - and I'd be interested to know if the charging speed indeed drops off above 80 or so %, or not, since the battery chemistry is different.
Is it true the servicing costs are higher in Australia than NZ? And warranties are all over the place?
Appears so
Even though the excuse BYD Au has for charging so much is that it is a BYD charge that applies to all Oceana countries not just Australia. Did he lie to justify using Eagers and my car?
Makes me appreciate my ice car, in and out with a full tank after less than 5 minutes
You don’t take breaks on road trips?
@@LudicrousFeed living in an apartment with only “on street” parking would mean I would have to do what you just did 2-3 times a week with none of my individual trips being longer than 50 minutes. If you live in a home and can plug in overnight I can see how this can work well for people but apartment living with only on street partying would not suit EV ownership. Ironically apartment living is the more sustainable option compared to house ownership (more efficient use of space, less building materials per capital during construction etc) so when you see an EV owner charging in the garage of their lavish large house somehow I think I am more green with my ice cAR.
Fair call. I’ve seen some owners successfully retrofit EV chargers in their basement carpark. Also other brands can charge faster if budget permits
A few future Ampol locations have been spotted at West Gosford and Raymond Terrace- both good spots
Nice
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I'd love it if the max charging speed was higher. The Atto 3 had some major pros: Safety and longevity of the Blade cell battery, range is excellent. Major cons: slow max charging speed of only 80kw, very expensive servicing (most expensive service costs of any other EV available in Australia - and no good reason why).
A higher DC charger speed would certainly make it ideal for longer drives
What is odd is the Atto 3 is on BYD's latest 800V e-platform 3.0 architecture, yet still has such a slow charging speed. Especially since the Seal, which is on the same platform, charges much faster, up to 150 kW on the big battery. The 61 kWh Seal is rated for 110 kW, so I don't understand why the Atto 3 with the same sized battery is only rated for 80 kW, and can't even sustain the 80 kW speed all the way through.
@@tren133 When the battery is cold, for sure it will maintain the charging speed much longer. As the temperature rises, the charging speed will get slower. It is no different from your cellphone.
Looks like it's not convenient at all for travelling a long distance (eg. from Sydney to Brisbane/Melbourne - around 1000km) where you need to charge at least 2-4 times with 360km for a full charge. And that will add an extra 2 hours (or more) compared to a combustion engine car
Yes however this is a budget ev unlike the much more expensive fast charging evs. Also compared to a ice car, it will be cheaper to drive and doesn't need fossil fuels to drive. All about perspective and what's important to you. Also on a 1000km drive you should be taking breaks for safety anyway. Charging forces breaks which is great for safety
Buy a tesla , which charges 2-3 times faster and will get quicker in time
Rubbish. You combine charging sessions with the standard meal breaks and waste 0 time at a smelly service station. Modern EV can travel well above 400km on one charge. I do 30000km / a with frequent 900km trips inland NSW / QLD in an EV with now 335000km on the clock regularly. Only issue is the reliability of Tritium brand chargers but hopefully that improves soon. And yes, right now you buy a Tesla as their network is super reliable.
They charge quickest for the first 15 minutes so the best strategy is just to take more frequent, shorter breaks, so for example just add about 30% of charge at a time which is about 110kms or so - just enough time to take a bathroom break, stretch your legs and have a quick snack or drink. Of course, for the first stretch you would be charged to at least 90% from home charging so if you deplete the battery down to about 20% and charge to 50%, your first break would be about 250kms or about 2.5 hours, then every 70 minutes or so thereafter, the idea being to just utilize the higher charging speeds that you get from charging a near-empty battery.
@@aftonline That is actually a good tip. Thanks for pointing out this 👍
very interesting, how much cost, the charge.
Free until 31 Aug 2022
We shall see what Ampol set their rate at on 1 Sep 2022
When I put petrol in my car I don't need my phone. I use a credit card which works for all petrol pumps. Why is EV charging so complicated?
Some providers offer RFID Cards which help the process
Not a friendly setup if you have a trailer or caravan. Locations should plan for that eventually for the future. Perhaps your score criteria should take towing into account. Just a thought......tradies in particular have trailers.
I think there will be cyber truck and other brand of Electric Ute (China made) available in 2024 ?
Atto 3 small SUV may not be the best choice for a Ute.
I think vast majority trademens wouldn't buy an EV, let alone China made. But Cyber truck may be, if they can afford & had gotten an order in
Currently it can tow ~700kg, not a lot but still able to.
Northmead Ampol is another DC charger in the area, just 3 kilometres from my home. ❤️
Perfect
Have you been able to start charging from these units with the QR code Tom? I was at northmead the other night, I kept getting an error when trying. (though I guess easily solved by just finding the location on the app and starting it that way) Also seems to be limited to 60-70kw, others on plugshare were remarking the same even though it's currently advertised as 180kw.
This was my first time at Northmead. I remember reading a sign at Alexandria when it first opened saying the speed would be limited initially. I’ll have to return to test after 1 Sep 2022 when they start charging a fee
@@LudicrousFeed Yeah I had a feeling the limit was to prevent the giveaway of "too much free juice" (unless you're the guy I saw there at 1-2(ish)AM the other morning, he was probably taking it all hahah) I don't recall seeing a sign for the limited speed here though.
While I don't have too much of an issue with the lack of inside seating (as the location is on the small side) and I can sit in the car, I do think the locations should be covered in some way. When I was there last Friday night fighting with the QR code of doom it started to rain, so I was adding payment info as quickly as I could to start charging and get back in the car. 😂
I read that it's apparently only a 200amp charger which means the most a tesla m3 will get is around 74kw. The atto3 is likely the same? 🤷♂️ Either way the charging speed is bloody ordinary for 60c per kw.
@@kyle797 Yeah looking at the specs again it would appear so and only cars that can charge at higher than 480v can take advantage of the (semi-misadvertised or badly/vaguely advertised?) speed of 180kW from the CCS.
I guess if you're near this charger, *need* a faster charge than 60-70kW and can make it 10 mins down the M2 or Old Windsor Road to Seven Hills, go to the 350kW Evie chargers at Abbott Road instead, they're the same price per kWh. (Also next to 24 hour Woolies Metro along with Hungry Jacks and Guzman Y Gomez - both open until 11pm most nights, midnight on Friday/Saturday)
How come byd exports these EVs to Australia? Chinese customers waiting for months for these EVs. Hope I can buy one in Canada.
It’ll arrive in North America eventually methinks. It’s about to be released in the UK
Tom, can you charge using Tesla Wall Connector (Gen 2 or 3)?
Watch to the end: I demonstrate charging using a Gen 3 Tesla Wall Connector at 15:43
Some Gen 2 HPWC can be switched to Legacy mode which is the Type2 protocol for all EV. But I doubt that the BYD would charge on a Tesla protocol AC charger (= most Destination Charger sites).
Lol, I was there started charging at 11:26 yesterday, could’ve said hi if I was there earlier.
Next time 👋
@@LudicrousFeed for sure, love your work Tom.
I wonder if Electric car quick charging scales well. Peak holiday times would be crazy. Maybe if everyone is just doing quick top ups . Otherwise it needs to get much faster 😩
Solution: More charger stalls
It is a shame that the fast charging rate is only 80Kw, it should support at least 250kw. With the right fast charger network road trips would be no problem. I guess for the daily commute this is a non-issue. I would prefer to wait for an improved model that has better fast charging, this initial model will likely depreciate too much given this technical limitation.
Fair point
The ABB charger that you use to test each EV only output 200 Amp, as shown on the machine label. You will not see the battery charge faster than 90 kw in that charger, unless the battery is based on the 800 volt system.
Even if the battery can accept more than 90 kw, you will never see it with that 200 Amp charger.
So it is Not a fair charging test. You should find a charger that output 350 Amp or even better at 500 Amp. To show the true charge capability of the car.
Thanks
BYD states max charging for Atto3 is 80kW but I agree, it’s worth testing on a charger that allows 400A to confirm
@@LudicrousFeedcool, thanks
Thanks Tom, I have a ATTO 3 on order I was disappointed that the type 2 charger using a home 3 phase power supply only charges at 6.3kw no advantage utilising 3 phase 415 volt power supply for faster charging same speed as single phase 240 volt, I am in the process of converting my home power to 3 phase and purchasing a 3 phase Zappi charger I will still do this for future vehicles, hopefully when the BYD Tang comes to Australia which I really want a larger SUV will possibly have a faster 3 phase 415v volt charging speed
Single phase charging is sufficient usually for overnight charging
I am on off grid solar and also charge a Model S which has a (rare) 22kW ac charger. The 6.3kW of the BYD would require around 8kWp of solar panels.....how much is on your roof? Normally EV single phase charger are 7.4kW =32A or 2x16A on a 3 phase outlet.....I wonder if low voltage at the outlet (Tom?) was the issue here. BTW even 6.3kW is plenty for overnight charging 👍
I personally don't think it is the right way to control the charging all via an app. Supporting payment by phone is good, but you need to consider the situation when senior people use it or someone's phone is simply drained or lost.
RFID card set up by a relative could be useful
Wheres the bacon and eggs fry up ?
An ikea induction cooktop and frypan would be helpful
Ideal for camping
The charging network should be contactless DEBIT or CREDIT CARD any network that demands using a phone APP is simply wrong!
I see an ‘Auto-Charge’ option on the AmpCharge app where it starts charging automatically upon plugging in at certain locations after the initial signup without needing to whip out your device each time thereafter. That seems like a fair compromise to me
@@LudicrousFeed Card is still quicker.
Any BYD app that controls / displays charging or notifies you when charging is complete ?
I believe there is an app … will need to confirm with new owners when they take deliveries
How much it costs to charge at ampol??
Currently 69c/kWh (Jul 2023)
Too high state of charge Tom, 10% or less is what you want. Plus if you record it fully can give us the charge curve to compare to BYD's curve. Posted bit early, would be better if they supported plug & charge which is what should be happen for all chargers Tesla like plus contactless payment. Not more apps or rfid cards.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
Thanks. Bit disappointing on the charge speeds - both for AC & DC. A Tesla Model 3/Y can charge from 10% to 90% for free off home solar panels during the peak solar period of 10am-2pm
This is not true unless you have have 20kW/h of panel capacity, and that's not likely for ANY Australian home. Moreover, lots of people drive to work so can only charge via home solar on the weekend.
@@remakeit2628 15kWh is sufficient & plenty of houses have at least this. The pandemic has also resulted in hundreds of thousands working from home
@@sanjaygupta666 I think you need to learn about the difference between a kilowatt and a kilowatt HOUR.
Average home solar arrays can generate 15 kilowatts per day... sometimes up to double in summer months. So in winter the average home with solar would need 4 days to charge the BYD from zero to 100% and half that time in summer, assuming only the EV was connected to supply.
@@remakeit2628 That's ok I know the difference. It wouldn't have been much for BYD to have a higher rate onboard AC charger (or DC either). A 15kW solar system can average around 55kWh per day annually, particularly with micro inverters
@@sanjaygupta666 Most States limit the feed in from home solar to 5 kilowatts per hour, so I don't think you do understand.
I have a very large home and I could not install enough panels on the "sunny side" to knock out 15 kilowatts per hour even if that entire roof area was covered.
BYD's charging rate is deliberately lowered to extend battery life, just in case you were unaware.
Nice video.
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烙饼yummy!
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How painful, such a long wait
Quick Power Nap in the car 😴
It's a shame that it's charging speed is not better. At this stage they should be at or over 100 kW setups.
The chargers can do 180kW for CCS2
On this occasion the speed is limited by the car
Nice vedio ev👍👍👍👍
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why you use Mobile phone for navigate?
At the time of recording, no built-in maps
I thought the included adapter was rated at 1.8kw?
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That DC charging speed is woeful. This thing sitting at DC “Fast chargers” blocking them endlessly isn’t what we need in Australia.
Solution: more charging stalls
The 30-40 mins are perfect for a meal break when travelling and otherwise you charge overnight at home. No more woeful wasting time at smelly servos, great.
@@jondoe5536 Just think about from where all that fossil juice comes from? Crazy.
It is all about $.
If petroleum remain low, even in times of military conflict who will want to switch to EV.
It's because petrol is costly, & soon military conflict will make petroleum, related product all very scarce
That's reason, thus spank in the butt, make us quickly realize EV adaption is necessary; it's cheaper using eletricity then petroleum per km.
Also get to use the vehicles in times of scarcity of petroleum products
@@jondoe5536 That's what people who are aware of the geopolitical things understand... Like the artificial contagious things
This will be a long time of turmoil.
Most of all world is ruled, run by *world plan*
And one is NWO
That's basically mean turmoil, war, society unrest, mayhem; (& climate warming to now "climate change") all in one same package!
(ideologies clashes, religious, etc)
So that these thing boils down to... For the evolution of human civilization
NWO =
Establishment of the Mark Lateinos 666 (60yrs later)
(mark supposedly will keep society, people safe from all these evils)
A New World
A New Order
For us it only means, before the big spanking comes.
Move to EV so we have one less petroleum to tight us down.
Able to move around somewhat until EV 12V batteries etc need some replacement.
The whole world will experience these, current example: Sri Lanka
Also Ukraine.
(soon Serbia & her Kosovo, thk u NATO for this)
Anyway yes Australia will experience certainly society unrest
Hi does it snow in Sydney
Typically no
EVDirect in Sydney did a snow job on BYD's warranty.
Does that count?
No. But 1hr inland (Blue Mountains) it was snowing last week. Typically though it's about a 4hr drive from Sydney
Chinese cars seem to have charging curves optimised between 30% and 90%.
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Does anyone have figure on the capability of the ac charging lead. I am looking to get a 30 amp circuit installed into my garage if it can use it.
Using AmpCharge in Melbourne I managed a fairly constant 117kW in my EV6
Nice!
Is that charger only capable of outputting 117 kW? The EV6 is amongst the fastest charging cars on the market. In the US on a 150 kW EA charger (which is actually provisioned for 175 kW of power), the EV6 or Ioniq 5 will charge at 170 kW flat until it reaches around 70% SOC before starting to taper down. On a 350 kW charger, the EV6 would be able to sustain 220 kW speeds at low SOC. It's odd that you are only getting like 120 kW speeds.
@@tren133 I think it is the charger and commissioning issues
No review on the bread??
Delicious 10/10
Might wait for the 800v EV to come
Cool
800V is just a hype. Most fast chargers are 400V and the then required conversion makes charging inefficient and slow. Ask yourself why the 400V Tesla Plaid drives circles around an 800V Porsche Taycan. For the price of one 350kW charger you can install 4 75kW charger which can service 8 EV simultaneously. 800V means you can charge in 18 mins. but owners find that it is a useless period of time as you cannot walk away and have a meal or go shopping but have to stay with the car. What is more sensible here?
@@moestrei 800v makes more sense at a “petrol station” type setup where it’s all about volume of cars serviced. I see a future model of per kWh charge + time charge. Slower charging cars will be penalised
@@geoffsteffens1640 Volume of cars serviced.....for one 350kW charger you can get 4 75kW charger with 2 outputs each = 8 cars. Given that 99% of all EV are 400V vehicles it just doesn't make sense. There is currently no EV on the market which gets even close to 350kW peak.
DC charging is faster... Not sure but likely China uses DC charging more?
Does it mean may be atto 3 one day, could use DC charging?
you'd be better off using a high voltage charger in order to get high speed. chinese made ev's tend to go high voltage low amp route.
Ok
The included charger is very disappointing.
The appearance of it?
@@LudicrousFeed the cheapness and the charging speed.
There are options to install faster wall connectors if budget permits
Would be good to see a range test until it actually stops to know how accurate their advertised range is.
As in drive the car until it stops/runs out of battery?
nice
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59 kW charging at 40 kW battery level disappointing!
I’ll have to retest it one day to see how long it can hold that rate for
The Ampol app seems too overcomplicated, especially when comparing to others.
Looking forward to trying the ‘Auto-charge’ function
Amazing that a company with 'Petrol' in their company name (Australian Motorists Petrol cOmpany Limited) is now supplying electrons to EVs. Sadly 1/2 of the charger wasted with a chademo connector (those few cars should get a conversion kit / adapter) but great that they use a reliable charger brand. A fail that the ABB does not display the power rating when charging. Kempower brand chargers display a graph of SOC and charge rate vs time on your app, which is what you really want. Looking at the app there is a (future?) feature called Autocharge which is Charge & Pay were the charger 'learns' the car's Id once (the comms chip MAC address) and then authorises the charging process automatically in subsequent sessions. Pricing will be interesting but as you stated the site ticks all the boxes. Even I personally prefer Tesla or traditional brands the onslaught of Asian made EVs will bring the prices down which is great and needed for average income earners to convert to EVs. Great comprehensive report, Tom.....ticks all the boxes as well 😃
@@jondoe5536 I have a Chademo to Tesla adapter (and a CCS2 kit fitted) which means I can charge on both. Works reliably. The high number of defect charger is a brand issue, not a network or system problem. I guess that's the reason Ampol imports ABB hardware rather than using the local product.
@@jondoe5536 22kW AC charger as well....every showground is my friend with their 5 pin 22kW outlets 😃
Essentially theres only 1 stall , type2 is the norm now and you took it for 40 mins
Its a token fail from ampol
I have a feeling that charging stations that use ARENA funding must supply ChaDeMo chargers - can someone confirm this
Type 2 is AC charging, this is CCS2. Yes, networks need to wake up and stop wasting expensive fast chargers with Chademo. Those cars should get conversion kits or adapters.
@@LudicrousFeed In that case ARENA needs to wake up to reality asap. As an electronics engineer let me tell you that a conversion kit for the handful of Chademo cars would be way more sensible.
All new electric cars should be 150k watt charging.
Fire and too fast charging goes hand in hand.
Perhaps why BYD limit their vehicle to slightly slower charge plus less energy density... LFP
Longer life and no garage, vehicles or near things get burned down while overnight charging
Hopefully
The charge rate is relative to the cost of the vehicle. Better cooling capacity, temperature monitoring plus R&D pushes the price up. The architecture of the physical battery maybe limiting the capacity to disparate the heat.
Additional components also increases weight, reduces efficiency, reduces range and acceleration.
This is where another brand excels
@@andrewflies9119 Price per km range
$175 to $180+ per km for lowest trim of model Y
$140 to $148 per km for BYD atto 3
For not wealthy people will have to make do with affordable cars.
You need to pay premium price. That is the reason why Seal has it but not Atto 3
I just can't get over that interior...why oh why did they do that? Wayyy too Chinese!