i strongly urge you use it until i breaks then move on to a different brand. i ve lost all confident in that co. i had the 2 and 3 both had problem syncing and rma both twice before i gave up. plenty of alternatives. garmin is one, currently i m using huawei honor. sooo much better. beautiful screen battery just a bit better, but it synced flawlessly havent have a problem since i got it 6 months ago.
The only thing stopping me from buying the charge 4 is the dim display.🤔 when you live in a really sunny state like California, you need all the brightness you can get.
I see that for many people not bringing their cellphone with them is very important, but I honestly don't see why it's so relevant. Adding features such as having music stored in it and the built-in GPS definitely makes them charge us more for something that one would only use while running/biking. It's such a small inconvenience that can easily be taken care of by one of the greatest inventions ever: a fanny pack.
Santiago Monsalve Torres the idea that you can run with less bulk is a game changer, especially if you’re running long distances. A fanny pack or a phone in the pocket does make a huge difference to how comfortable your run is.
Haz Melz That's right. I agree. It's just that I personally don't find that such comfort is worth it to have if that means having a considerable increase in the price. But that's just because I won't be using Fitbit for listening to music. I avoid headphones as much as I can because of the bad consequences that they have for the ears over time. So I acknowledge my point is just very convenient for me. 😅
This was the review I was looking for...thank you!! I recently purchased the Charge 4 ( it will arrive Friday) to replace a Garmin watch I have had for many years. The built in GPS is what made me decide to purchase the C4 and after watching your review I know I won't be disappointed. Thank you! Be safe and stay healthy 😊
Fitbit is great if you constantly like getting awards and congratulations, Garmin is more like "and what. You wanna star? Screw you" I prefer that latter.
I switched from the charge 3 to the garmin venu. Imo the garmin connect app sucks and garmins sleep tracking is absolutely awful. Garmin obviously better for sports tracking however.
Actually very well done on cinematography. But I'll wait for price drop. You could get fossil gen 5 in $170 but I'd still prefer fitbit over that cause of sleep tracking. 🙌🏼 Fitbit hands down best at tracking
Fit bits are inconsistent I am a Truck driver and the bumpy roads and vibration while in truck on long drives throws off my FB and says randoms acts of movement somedays I went on a 100mile bike ride or somedays I went on a 300mile run lol....Oh and not to mention I average 300k steps a day lol... Pretty weird considering I'm driving a truck.
I see that for many people not bringing their cellphone with them is very important, but I honestly don't see why it is so relevant. Adding features such as having music stored in it and the built-in GPS definitely makes them charge us more for something that one would only use while running/biking. It's such a small inconvenience that can easily be taken care of by one of the greatest inventions ever: a fanny pack.
so will charge 4 not give you 11k steps while sitting on lockdown in a 1-bedroom? and will support not tell you any more that "opening doors" or "excess moisture" can lead to the same day counting 21 flights of stairs? because as much as i love being congratulated i dont love the utter demotivation of just being snowed with data.
This video made it sound like you have to turn GPS on and off manually each time you want to exercise. If so, that would be a major blunder on Fitbit's part. They'd be stupid not to have a GPS only during exercise option. My Galaxy Active 2 gets more than 3 days of battery with that setting enabled.
Wife gave me this today since I got tired of sending in the Garmin Vivosport for band replacement. I loved the Garmin app. Fitbit not so much. I suppose I’ll get used to it
Hopefully they've fixed the serious display issue! THIRTEEN lines of broken pixels on my charge 3, just a month after purchasing it to help me train for hockey, and there has been NO damage to the watch but no refund in line with warranty because 'I must have done something to it' despite no sign of wear or tear or damage at all.
It is my understanding the GPS only operates when you start an exercise, so there is no need to turn if off while not in exercise mode. I don't think it saves your battery to turn it off, it isn't "enabled" until the exercise tracking starts.
- be even better if you could actually see what's on the screen when you're out running on a sunny day.....best to check this out when buying a sports watch......being able to see what you heart rate is at any given moment is kinda important....
I have enjoyed Fitbit for about three years, but I find their weakness is the bands. Three new Fit Bits and the bands break. The availability to buy a replacement is problematic. I am seriously thinking about another brand and starting my stats again.
if it had onboard music i would buy it in a heartbeat ( no pun) I have had the charge 2 for years and still love it. Will continue my search for an accurate tracker with gps and onboard music that doesn't break the bank.
You can keep the GPS as I have to have music to run so my phone is always with me . Im interested in the oxygen measurement for sleep that my charge 2 doesn't have.
Love being out in the mountains so any view with mountains would be pretty awesome. Been thinking of Colorado from the times I been there. San Francisco is nice the time I visited but expensive is an understatement.
@@LaurenMiddleton28 You clearly have no idea what you are talking about or where she is because she's not outside San Francisco, she's hundreds of miles away, like over 400 miles away. LOL 😂🤦♂️
Thank you so much for this brilliant review, and congratulations on your baby, adorable. I’d like to see the amount of sleep you’re getting on the Fitbit haha, I’m betting not much at the moment :)
No consistency with the entire product. Cant see in sunlight, GPS took forever to lock-in, if it even did. Sometimes it would track sleep sometimes it wouldn't. Heart-rate was way off most of the time. waste of money
No! I bought the charge 4 only for.the integration with spotify and you can't use spotify app while running. There is a lot of angry customers on Fitbit's help website for this
For less than a THIRD of the price of this, you can pick up a Huawei Honor Band 4 Pro with a color AMOLED screen, built-in GPS, SPO2, music control...... That said, there is often a compromise or two when taking advantage of some of the great Chinese trackers available.
Charge HR.. im only looking for Form Factor, Heart Rate Sensor, Battery Life. If throwing out GPS could save $5, great. I'd rather have a flatter or brighter display than GPS. I get why others would want GPS.
I've had two Fitbits, currently have a Charge 2, and both would lose about 2000 steps after syncing. Have they fixed this issue with the new versions? I can't find any reviews from people who have used a Charge 4 long term to see if it's still an issue.
They never learned a thing from their pebble acquisition. Who wants a haptic button!? Who wants a tiny unresponsive dim touch screen? Who wants Fitbit? Not me at the very least.
It's a good product, don't get me wrong but I 2020 with this tracker priced at 150$ you would expect a better battery life. The missing part was GPS but it literally kills your battery. Also, you still need your phone to run because it can't store music downloaded from Spotify (none of the Fitbit, you might store downloaded music in a folder like in versa and ionic, come on fitbit). And, last but not least, the software is still laggy. Come on...
I liked the Charge 3 but I went through 2 in under a year due to screen issues. I’ll wait and see how others fair with this 4 before I purchase another one.
I have an iPhone and I can’t figure out how to get this Fitbit to send me text notifications, Which I believe it can. I get notifications for phone calls but not text messages. I followed all the troubleshooting from the website with no luck. Any advice?
I hate that my Charge 3 lost the LED under two years. Watching YT videos, they all said the same issue. So, so sad! These watches are too expensive for only 1-2 years so use.
The charge 4 do not let you control spotify while running. I don't know why all this videos do not say that really important point, why would I bought a fitbit integrated whit spotify if I can't control it while I'm running?
which app do you download for this, is there a special one for the charge 4 or is it just the normal fitbit app to use on your phone? thank you in advance.
They don't last they are built not to last.. Me and sum friends owned fitbit 3 and all our watches stuffed out. If I brought a casino watch it would still be working.
I'm guessing with the Charge 5 they will finally get rid of the Fitbit logo on the front of Charge to make the screen bigger. The current screen is tiny 😂. I'm a dude with wide/ big fingers so it's not that much surface area for me to be tapping on with my Charge 3.
"GPS is a game changer because there's nothing I hate more than Big Brother losing track of where I am." The 4 is almost useless outdoors (where I use my 2 ) because the screen is impossible to see unless you only go out at night and you're not standing under a lamppost. Having to block the light with your other hand to get a glimpse of the screen is stupid. Especially when I'm cycling.
I bought a Fitbit HR years ago and the sensor burned me. This happened to thousands of people and they were eventually recalled. I've been scared/unwilling to try again after receiving second degree burns from their product. This must have been 6+ years ago. Are those issues a thing of the past?
I have the Charge 3 right now & then I saw the Charge 4. But I've been waiting for 2 years now to get an Apple Watch Series 4 or 5 for my iPhone. And now at this point I'm probably going to end up waiting for the Apple Watch Series 6
@@trytesting4114 Yeah I decided to get the blue 44 mm Apple Watch Series 6 because I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max right now & AirPods Pro so the Watch is the only Apple wearable I'm missing now 😂
bye bye fitbit you just lost a loyal customer since the old clipon units. i ve suffered through fitbit2, 3 because all the units i got have trouble to sync. on top of that i had rma twice for both generations. GPS is not a game changer, most of the i have my phone with me anyways...its useless. moving on the huawei band because of your incompetent. it literally synced when i push the sync button WOW mind blowing coming from fitbit. quite sure the accuracy are good enough on both bands.
Amazing, perfect timing. Now we can track running inside our house.
And all those virtual workouts!
Yes 😆 sad but true
Yeah. GPS is a game changer. Now you can track your location while running inside your house. Bravo
The noisy new neighbors above my bf apartment can attest to that
...a family.... In a one bedroom...
lol
Nice review. I’m still using my Charge 2. It does what I need so no need for me to upgrade...
airmandan916 same..
I am still using my charge 2.
Works fine after three years
i strongly urge you use it until i breaks then move on to a different brand. i ve lost all confident in that co. i had the 2 and 3 both had problem syncing and rma both twice before i gave up. plenty of alternatives. garmin is one, currently i m using huawei honor. sooo much better. beautiful screen battery just a bit better, but it synced flawlessly havent have a problem since i got it 6 months ago.
@@trytesting4114 my replacement would probably be an Apple Watch 5...
@@AirmanDan916 much safer option.
i love how crazy enthusiastic this woman is about GPS.
She sounds like she was in the basement with Joe while technology was evolving
Same..she can keep that . My phone is on me 24-7 so I don't need that
@@jasonsims007 2 people with different needs?! Impossible
Surprised they didn’t fix the back light issue when outdoors.
Amen to this.
Yeah, that's a pisser... it's the reason I passed on the Charge 3.
O-H!!
The auto dim is kinda useless. Does Versa2 have these issues?
The only thing stopping me from buying the charge 4 is the dim display.🤔 when you live in a really sunny state like California, you need all the brightness you can get.
Everything sounds great but I would love to leave my phone completely at home and just have my watch track and supply me my music all in one.
I see that for many people not bringing their cellphone with them is very important, but I honestly don't see why it's so relevant. Adding features such as having music stored in it and the built-in GPS definitely makes them charge us more for something that one would only use while running/biking. It's such a small inconvenience that can easily be taken care of by one of the greatest inventions ever: a fanny pack.
Santiago Monsalve Torres the idea that you can run with less bulk is a game changer, especially if you’re running long distances. A fanny pack or a phone in the pocket does make a huge difference to how comfortable your run is.
Haz Melz “Mighty” is a portable Spotify player for $80. About the size of an ipod shuffle
Haz Melz That's right. I agree. It's just that I personally don't find that such comfort is worth it to have if that means having a considerable increase in the price. But that's just because I won't be using Fitbit for listening to music. I avoid headphones as much as I can because of the bad consequences that they have for the ears over time. So I acknowledge my point is just very convenient for me. 😅
If you have an Apple iPhone then get an Apple Watch. It does that and more.
This was the review I was looking for...thank you!! I recently purchased the Charge 4 ( it will arrive Friday) to replace a Garmin watch I have had for many years. The built in GPS is what made me decide to purchase the C4 and after watching your review I know I won't be disappointed. Thank you! Be safe and stay healthy 😊
Thank you Julie! Stay safe!
Why on Earth would you purchase a Charge 4 when you can find Apple Watches in a similar price range?
Because I don’t need a phone on my wrist :)
Julie Leonard so glad it helped you decide! I love reading comments like this so thank you!
@@spencercarruth9706 why on earth are you watching a charge 4 video if you don't want one?
My Fit Bit Charge 2 had GPS. I just got the 4 since I have used my Charge 2 so much.
Fitbit is great if you constantly like getting awards and congratulations, Garmin is more like "and what. You wanna star? Screw you" I prefer that latter.
Why is this the most true thing I've ever heard
I switched from the charge 3 to the garmin venu. Imo the garmin connect app sucks and garmins sleep tracking is absolutely awful. Garmin obviously better for sports tracking however.
@@mikeodowd98 I use the Garmin Connect app with my Forerunner 935 and I think it is excellent.
When getting outside was a thing😭
This video was filmed in April so we are in the middle of the pandemic lol
Actually very well done on cinematography. But I'll wait for price drop. You could get fossil gen 5 in $170 but I'd still prefer fitbit over that cause of sleep tracking. 🙌🏼 Fitbit hands down best at tracking
Rahil Bhimjiani how can you get the fossil gen 5 for $170?
Fit bits are inconsistent I am a Truck driver and the bumpy roads and vibration while in truck on long drives throws off my FB and says randoms acts of movement somedays I went on a 100mile bike ride or somedays I went on a 300mile run lol....Oh and not to mention I average 300k steps a day lol... Pretty weird considering I'm driving a truck.
I see that for many people not bringing their cellphone with them is very important, but I honestly don't see why it is so relevant. Adding features such as having music stored in it and the built-in GPS definitely makes them charge us more for something that one would only use while running/biking. It's such a small inconvenience that can easily be taken care of by one of the greatest inventions ever: a fanny pack.
Great review, very well present. And Congrats on the Baby.
Damn you had a baby six months ago? Go off sis 🔥💅🏾💪🏾
Nice! Glad its finally got GPS. I love my Samsung Active watch
Wouldn't call GPS a game-changer, the Garmin Vivosport has offered this for a while. Also the GPS in our tests was consistently quarter of a mile out.
Sure but there is a difference between a fitness ban and a smart watch...
_nicole_ The Vivosport is a fitness band.
so will charge 4 not give you 11k steps while sitting on lockdown in a 1-bedroom?
and will support not tell you any more that "opening doors" or "excess moisture" can lead to the same day counting 21 flights of stairs?
because as much as i love being congratulated i dont love the utter demotivation of just being snowed with data.
Well when I had a charge 2 the 3 seemed like a big upgrade, this offers basically nothing over the charge 3.
I just purchase my fitbit charge 4 today. My first fitness tracker
The way she says walKING, runNING, swimMING so hard
This video made it sound like you have to turn GPS on and off manually each time you want to exercise. If so, that would be a major blunder on Fitbit's part. They'd be stupid not to have a GPS only during exercise option. My Galaxy Active 2 gets more than 3 days of battery with that setting enabled.
Wife gave me this today since I got tired of sending in the Garmin Vivosport for band replacement. I loved the Garmin app. Fitbit not so much. I suppose I’ll get used to it
I have the charge four but I can’t see wear my route. Maybe because you fitbit app is updated.
This review was the tipping point for me to buy the watch. Thanks heaps!
Hopefully they've fixed the serious display issue! THIRTEEN lines of broken pixels on my charge 3, just a month after purchasing it to help me train for hockey, and there has been NO damage to the watch but no refund in line with warranty because 'I must have done something to it' despite no sign of wear or tear or damage at all.
I have Fitbit charge 3 I need this one now
Same
Why didn't Fitbit use Pebble's e-paper display technologies on all its devices?
Easily their most missed opportunity. Especially for fitness trackers like the Charge. Imagine the battery life gains you could get out of e-paper.
Thank you so much for this very clear and informative review! I really appreciate it
Thanks for watching!
Talisha van Hoof thanks for the comment ☺️
It is my understanding the GPS only operates when you start an exercise, so there is no need to turn if off while not in exercise mode. I don't think it saves your battery to turn it off, it isn't "enabled" until the exercise tracking starts.
- be even better if you could actually see what's on the screen when you're out running on a sunny day.....best to check this out when buying a sports watch......being able to see what you heart rate is at any given moment is kinda important....
Well done, very well explained !! love this to the point explanations. and she is a great presenter!
First time I bought a Fitbit ( Charge 4) and. a received an advise that is not working at all
and not sure if this is a great start with Fitbit
Kamal Harrasse yikes, I’m sorry to hear! Did they get back to you with a solution?
Video: First ten seconds
Me: she must be sponsored or be getting paid.
Her: AND THAT FOR ME IS A GAME CHANGER!
Such a well produced video compared to the previous reviews I've just watched
May you and your children be safe and well.
Marc Silvey thank you!! Same to you!
I thought the charge 3 was big but this is even bigger
This review is super helpful. Thank you!
I have enjoyed Fitbit for about three years, but I find their weakness is the bands. Three new Fit Bits and the bands break. The availability to buy a replacement is problematic. I am seriously thinking about another brand and starting my stats again.
if it had onboard music i would buy it in a heartbeat ( no pun)
I have had the charge 2 for years and still love it.
Will continue my search for an accurate tracker with gps and onboard music that doesn't break the bank.
Apple Watch?
Get the Apple Watch SE $279 is very reasonable.
You can keep the GPS as I have to have music to run so my phone is always with me . Im interested in the oxygen measurement for sleep that my charge 2 doesn't have.
That neighborhood has an amazing view where is that :O
Florida
Love being out in the mountains so any view with mountains would be pretty awesome. Been thinking of Colorado from the times I been there. San Francisco is nice the time I visited but expensive is an understatement.
I know where but I'm not saying, looks very nice though.
@@LaurenMiddleton28 You clearly have no idea what you are talking about or where she is because she's not outside San Francisco, she's hundreds of miles away, like over 400 miles away. LOL 😂🤦♂️
Lol I also noticed the beautiful background! I was thinking Hawaii!
Thank you so much for this brilliant review, and congratulations on your baby, adorable. I’d like to see the amount of sleep you’re getting on the Fitbit haha, I’m betting not much at the moment :)
No consistency with the entire product. Cant see in sunlight, GPS took forever to lock-in, if it even did. Sometimes it would track sleep sometimes it wouldn't. Heart-rate was way off most of the time. waste of money
Are you able to change a track on spotify on the device whilst in a fitness mode on the charge 4?
No! I bought the charge 4 only for.the integration with spotify and you can't use spotify app while running. There is a lot of angry customers on Fitbit's help website for this
For less than a THIRD of the price of this, you can pick up a Huawei Honor Band 4 Pro with a color AMOLED screen, built-in GPS, SPO2, music control...... That said, there is often a compromise or two when taking advantage of some of the great Chinese trackers available.
I get a sleep score of 75!!! You get more sleep then me and u have kids!
How is the woven band with sweat and being submerged in water? Does it get all soggy and water logged post work out? Thanks.
Charge HR.. im only looking for Form Factor, Heart Rate Sensor, Battery Life. If throwing out GPS could save $5, great. I'd rather have a flatter or brighter display than GPS. I get why others would want GPS.
So if I don't mind always carrying my phone, I should get a model without gps?
Wherever you do, do not buy charge 4. It's overpriced, and you can't use the spotify app while running
When will the Fitbit versa 3 come out?
Probably this fall
I still love apple all the way
Can't wait until the screen gets dim, just like in Charge 3.
Wishing the best for people I see..
Does anyone have the smart wake feature?
Cool, this Fitbit Charge 4 is the coolest watch!
The traditional? I prefer the term “the original”. Hehe.
I'll take the amazfit bip for a quarter of the price...
Exactly with a month of battery life.. needn't buy this
I have one too. Absolutely love the watch.
The charge 4 is being sold for about $150. The amazfit bip is being sold for between $50 and $80.
Thanks for the tip...I’ll get the Bip S instead 👍🏼
The sensor of the amazfit bip is protruded and causes skin irritation for me. I prefer fitbit’s smooth sensor
I've had two Fitbits, currently have a Charge 2, and both would lose about 2000 steps after syncing. Have they fixed this issue with the new versions? I can't find any reviews from people who have used a Charge 4 long term to see if it's still an issue.
They never learned a thing from their pebble acquisition. Who wants a haptic button!? Who wants a tiny unresponsive dim touch screen? Who wants Fitbit? Not me at the very least.
It's a good product, don't get me wrong but I 2020 with this tracker priced at 150$ you would expect a better battery life. The missing part was GPS but it literally kills your battery. Also, you still need your phone to run because it can't store music downloaded from Spotify (none of the Fitbit, you might store downloaded music in a folder like in versa and ionic, come on fitbit). And, last but not least, the software is still laggy. Come on...
it doesnt even have a button on it except for this button on it
Have they addressed the black screen problem?
I liked the Charge 3 but I went through 2 in under a year due to screen issues. I’ll wait and see how others fair with this 4 before I purchase another one.
i had the same problem plus unable to sync. for 2nd and 3rd generation. ive gave up on fitbit and moved on to better brand
I have an iPhone and I can’t figure out how to get this Fitbit to send me text notifications,
Which I believe it can. I get notifications for phone calls but not text messages. I followed all the troubleshooting from the website with no luck. Any advice?
I hate that my Charge 3 lost the LED under two years. Watching YT videos, they all said the same issue. So, so sad!
These watches are too expensive for only 1-2 years so use.
The charge 4 do not let you control spotify while running. I don't know why all this videos do not say that really important point, why would I bought a fitbit integrated whit spotify if I can't control it while I'm running?
which app do you download for this, is there a special one for the charge 4 or is it just the normal fitbit app to use on your phone? thank you in advance.
They don't last they are built not to last.. Me and sum friends owned fitbit 3 and all our watches stuffed out. If I brought a casino watch it would still be working.
Does the FitBit work with Nokia 7.2?
Compared to Galaxy Active?
I like it, its not trying to be a apple watch but looks clean
If I didn't have a Samsung smartwatch at the moment this would be a total cop
Is it suitable for me too considering I'm currently using Noise ColourFit .. but I certainly want to change this.. help me 🤗😭
Would it help to see my activity stats if I am playing basketball or soccer?
Q pls still don't know - it's collect sleep automatically without settings ??
I'm guessing with the Charge 5 they will finally get rid of the Fitbit logo on the front of Charge to make the screen bigger. The current screen is tiny 😂. I'm a dude with wide/ big fingers so it's not that much surface area for me to be tapping on with my Charge 3.
nice work, thanks.
I really like this watch but I think I’m gonna stick with my Apple Watch.
Can you make call on this watch
So do these fitbits work and track steps and all that if you leave your phone at home??
yes you completely don't need your phone!
Google has integrated Fitbit OS into Google fit (Wear OS)
No, they have not. I wish they would though
I think Garmin Vivosport would be better (even if Vivosport is an old model)
does this device have Always On Display?
How do you update the firmware? I'm stuck with 1.94.13
It’s 2020 Appel wach all the way !!!!!!
Really? and what if you have an Android phone?
Yes! So much better than junky Fitbits that die after a few months!
Is it durable device? I mean won't break aleast too soon
is this worth getting over the charge 3?
Video quality and mic was poor but good content
"GPS is a game changer because there's nothing I hate more than Big Brother losing track of where I am." The 4 is almost useless outdoors (where I use my 2 ) because the screen is impossible to see unless you only go out at night and you're not standing under a lamppost. Having to block the light with your other hand to get a glimpse of the screen is stupid. Especially when I'm cycling.
How does it on a small lady wrist?
Is is kind of overprised compared to all the chinese fitness trackers with color displays, which are a lot cheaper
Do you know one that is as accurate? I've bought a few from Wish and liked them but kinda want to get a real fitbit or maybe Garmin one again.
Great review
I bought a Fitbit HR years ago and the sensor burned me. This happened to thousands of people and they were eventually recalled. I've been scared/unwilling to try again after receiving second degree burns from their product. This must have been 6+ years ago. Are those issues a thing of the past?
How do you turn on where you move your arm on
I have the Charge 3 right now & then I saw the Charge 4. But I've been waiting for 2 years now to get an Apple Watch Series 4 or 5 for my iPhone. And now at this point I'm probably going to end up waiting for the Apple Watch Series 6
K
do not get the 4th fitbit as a co had disappoint me enough times, i ve moved on to better brand
@@trytesting4114 Yeah I decided to get the blue 44 mm Apple Watch Series 6 because I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max right now & AirPods Pro so the Watch is the only Apple wearable I'm missing now 😂
What features do you think the Fitbit versa 3 will have?
Hopefully Speaker, GPS, Rotating Crown, etc.
Ryan Dickerson yes
@brennan nickel yeah, probably not
These Fitbit are some nice watches and cheap but I never upgrade cause my versa is still pretty good.i got one for my mom.she gets texts on it
Thanks
the engineers that designed the charging cradles for fitbit products should be fired immediately
bye bye fitbit you just lost a loyal customer since the old clipon units. i ve suffered through fitbit2, 3 because all the units i got have trouble to sync. on top of that i had rma twice for both generations. GPS is not a game changer, most of the i have my phone with me anyways...its useless. moving on the huawei band because of your incompetent. it literally synced when i push the sync button WOW mind blowing coming from fitbit. quite sure the accuracy are good enough on both bands.