Thanks. heard about it, but needed to be reminded. Production lag is a real problem sometimes. Movies made that showed the twin towers were shelved or edited. And we all remember the Manchurian candidate being shelved after 63 for many years.
And then threatening to hunt down and punish the dastardly individual that leaked the vax mandate to the pro-gun press. That was what annoyed me more than buckling down to Jao Bai-den's "mandate" (which I don't like, but I can kinda understand if you live and die by government contracts).
Only Paul Harrell, God bless him, would sincerely ask the internet to please put a little effort into actually knowing what you're talking about. Paul, you're awesome. The internet will never listen, but I like your optimism. Carry on, good sir.
What? You believe people should actually think about things for themselves rather than blindly listening to hypocritical shills and whining tee shirt salesmen (whose constant pandering and fear mongering to morons is their only business plan?) Many of the lemmings in the once-prod 2A community will be really mad that you don't follow them goose-step. Intelligent thought, disagreement and dialogue is NOT permitted in the alt-right world.
For an amateur gun enthusiast and engineer, like me, you present an AWESOME set of examples to give empirical evidence, mixed with professional "eye test" opinion. I thoroughly enjoy your videos....no BS...no fluff....no stupid, worthless graphics and irritating music. Please keep it that way!
@@dangerous8333 not at all. I just moved from Florida to Wyoming so I'll definitely be solo this holiday season. I just really enjoyed the last 2, and the other holiday presentations Paul's done and wanted to see more
Deer in the backgroud when Mr. Harrell eaplains the meat target. Young deer "he has a gun we need to move!" Older deer closer to Mr. Harrell "naw, that's Paul, if he was after us one of us would be down already." :)
I thought that I saw a "watch-deer" close behind Paul, keeping him surveiled while the others grazed at a distance. It WAS a very touching scene, and it was clear from the sky light that the shooting started AFTER the deer moved on............................elsullo
As a regular shooter my entire life, its normal. Even on military ranges its normal, they will walk out between tanks firing they are simply just not scared of the sound like people assume they should be.
@@shawnr771 if a Soldier has both CIB and EIB it is up to the Soldier to decide which to wear as regulations prohibit the wearing of both. One does not supersede the other.
Only Paul would stand in the middle of a small herd of deer building his "simulated meat targets" I guess it's too much to ask the deer to stand in front of the new and improved fleece bullet stops. Nice site!
The deer know whats up. It's private land (I assume) and Paul isn't there to hunt when he brings his own meat. But I'm just a little surprised Paul didn't say anything about offering the deer hearing protection.
Paul I am a fairly new shooter, and I am very appreciative of your presentations. I have been around firearms my whole life but I have fired very little, and I am in the process of trying to get a 1911 and a concealed carry license. So thank you to you and the people behind the scenes for all the work y’all put in.
I freakin love you brother! I laughed so hard at your intro! I am SOOO sick of the politics too. "At least put some effort into knowing what you're talking about" LMAO
I hope to meet Mr. Harrell someday and shake his hand and thank him for the work he and the crew do. I put my faith in his words because he backs up those words with fact, not here say. He's an experienced shooter and really good at teaching and passing knowledge on to others. Hey, even the deer show up to listen in when he does a video. That might be dangerous though. Makes the deer more cunning.....
Paul, thank you for the catalog of videos you left behind for us to return to from time to time and refresh ourselves with the wealth of knowledge you shared. You were truly one of a kind and I am going to miss you. Rest in peace.
Paul, in my opinion, the advantage of the extreme defense bullet design is exactly what you showed. Reliable real world performance such as shown on your meat target but most importantly, zero need to rely on expansion. A hollow points performance, albeit critical defense or whatever, is mostly reliant on it expanding as designed. If it doesn’t, you may have pass thru or damage inadequacies. Yes, you may have to adjust your sights for a different point of aim but the extreme defender bullet design eliminates the worry of wondering if it’s going to expand properly. It doesn’t need to
I would add the meat target does not simulate a closed body with fluid. The damage cavities inflicted on ballistic gel with the Underwood ammo is pretty impressive. Loved the video!
As someone who has used hollow point ammunition in self defense... I very much appreciated the fact all of my bullets stopped in my target and didn't pass through to the park time with children behind my home. Though my experience is it really doesn't matter if there is expansion or not just so long as it hits and doesn't keep going. This lady one the mother fucker somehow survived after getting shot in the chest twice, part of the second bullet even hot his heart and the first hit his bladder and intestines.... Never forget the idiot dumb enough to fuck with you when he knows you havea gun is almost certainly high as fuck on drugs... Bullets don't stop someone with an overdose of fentynl and methamphetamines in his system but it will make that mother fucker run the fuck away.
The HPs (Speer Gold Dot and FTX) will work with bodily fluids too though. You don't need flutes to push fluid. Really though, our bodies are not like water jugs or gelatin blocks. The amount and distribution of fluid in lung tissue, for example, is analogous to the amount and distribution of fluid in the tangerines, much more than it would be like a jug of water. Regarldess, the Speer and the FTX both exhibited more damage in this test than both FTM loadings did, so with extra fluid in the equation, that would mean either the HPs would do still more damage than they did, or the FTM bullets would only do greater damage to the point they were ay the level of the Speer GD and Hornady FTX in Paul's test. On the other hand, FTM style (fluted) bullets will not expand, period: a HP may have poor expansion on a particular shot, but it will never shrink smaller than the size of the FTM bullet, which is a solid, mono-metal projectile. So I don't really see what the advantage to be had is using the FTM bullets, especially in something such as 44 SPL, where velocities are well under 1,500 fps. Even taking the marketing hype concerning the flutes and "hydraulic pressure" at face value, basic physics would tell us that velocities would need to be quite high to develop enough energy to dump out as hydraulic force, so as to have an effect comparable to a larger projectile.
Since rifling puts spin n the bullet, can you use an extreme defender or honey badger ammo as a long distance Philips head screw driver? Nah, probably a bad idea. ;)
Neither rain nor snow nor dark of night will stop Paul from delivering intelligent and worthwhile information. Thank you Paul for another great Sunday video.
Please!! Just let Paul do his thing! If you are nit picking his stuff go away or shut up. He is far and away more forthcoming and honest about what he is doing. If you don't like it... well that middle finger thing.
Me: *Does a quick google search as to what Paul is talking about in regards to Hornady*.............no wonder Paul hates talking about current events and politics regardless of which way he leans
@@jerbus7956 to greatly over simplify, basically Hornday was gonna comply with the Biden Vaccine mandate for businesses with 100+ employees to meet OSHA Standards , possible lost of employment for those who refused to get vaccinated, and the internet shat a brick and sent the internet rage mobs after Hornady. Again, greatly over simplifying
Them deer in the background must be waiting on the fruit from the meat target... LOL Its crazy how often they show up on yalls "range" they're either really thick up there or don't get hunted on that property either way they're pretty cool to always see them. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Deer and other "vegan" animals are known to eat meat and even gnaw bones on occasion. Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't leave much of it for the coyotes and other carnivores/omnivores.
You should check out Jefferson Barracks in St Louis. It’s a VA Hospital these days. The deer there can’t be hunted and are borderline tame. They have no problem walking right up to you.
They probably equate gunfire to oranges, watermelons, and cheap soda to wash it all down! Today, they got tangerines! :) The deer around where I live are actually attracted to the sound of chainsaws. In the fall, chainsaws mean easy to reach acorns!
Loved your pre-video comments. People (including myself) have a tendency to hear, or see, only half of what really took place causing them to open their mouths, when in fact they should have kept them shut! Thanks for your videos, and keep them coming!
Travolta played a fantastic bad guy in that movie. Especially considering that no one involved was seriously trying to make a complex high brow film which would require the audience to do much thinking.
Really surprised to see the Speer expand and deal damage so well, considering the much lower velocity. Just goes to show that you must always TEST to make sure you're getting what you pay for.
thats awesome since black hill ammo is available in my country while hornady is not. in switzerland you can only use non-expanding ammo or minimally expanding ammo, which is why lapuas CEPP or fiocci black mamba was an option so far. the solid copper options like in the video are far more effective IMO
Seems odd. I'd wonder what the justification was, but seeing as how we're talking about Switzerland, I'm gonna guess some feminist was horribly misinformed and decided to pass a law anyhow. Just my guess lol.
@@evilblackcat6357 We are a collateral demage of Hollywood painting expanding bullets as evil... the Honey Badger ammo is for sale here in Switzerland, now if we actually had the right to carry...
@@connorwinter9257 I live in the USA and know better about *our* politicians. I would have thought better about Swiss politicians... but apparently Stupid Leftist Thinking(tm) has infected politicians worldwide.
✌️ My brother (IL) bought a 44 derringer for personal security. He wanted to test it out so we went to the Sheriff's gun range I had access to. The range master gave him two rounds of 44 magnum to test it out with. It's recoil drew blood on the web of our hands as we verified it worked in both barrels. The range master laughed at BILs initiation. We then let BIL try out the full auto tommy gun the department had at the range. He couldn't stop smiling! 😁
Totally understand. I have a full auto addiction. Shot tons of them. That Thompson though, it's way up on the list of favorites. Turns the intended target into swiss cheese, see?
@@joshuagibson2520 Dayton Ohio police have one on display at they're range office. Many were issued during the riots back in the 60's and came from US government surplus leftover from WW2. I really liked the H&K UMP 45 smg. Talk about a blast! 😁
Whatever happened to people having opinions? Every freaking thing is now controversial, every has to clarify or apologize. I may disagree with someone political preference 100% but I will still be reasonable and listen to what they have to say. I hope we get out of this "with us or against us" mentality.
Political comment on political things I don’t fully understand. I hate that one candidate who is a golfing buddy of the candidate I actually like. I think voting for my guy will change my life, and make my wife come back, stop my kids from hating me and fix the blown head gasket on my truck. Everyone better vote for my guy or it’s your fault if my wife doesn’t come back.
I like to see the chronograph. I don't have one so I judge ammo by grouping on paper and damage on other targets. I don't make meat targets either. I shoot heavy steel gongs. My Mosin naggant will knock the gong and steel target stand back a few feet which is pretty hard hitting. My 308 just spins the gong
Hope everyone is having a fun - and safe - opening day of deer season! I cleaned up this year, got an 8 point in my clearing 11 minutes after legal shooting started.
I always thought Black Hills was drastically over-priced. Their performance is SOMETIMES a tiny bit better than much lower priced options, and often is no-better, no-worse. They seem to have "convinced" many people (some of whom were given the ammo for free in exchange for good reviews.)
They're in the same vein of "self-defense" ammo as many other specialty ammo makers. Usually drastically over-priced for about half the amount of ammo you'd normally get and they use a lot of buzz words and print a bunch of ballistics on their websites and boxes to try to convince you that it's worth the price. You're better off spending that money on some quality bullets and reloading supplies and just make your own if you're concerned about good ammo for self-defense. At least then you know for sure you've used quality components and don't have to spend a mint to just to shoot 25 or so at the range and can actually test how well they work.
@@upinarms79 It’s generally considered not the best idea to use reloads for a carry or dangerous game hunting gun when they are on the job. Reliability, as I’ve proven to myself a few times 😿 isn’t quite as good…
I’d be extremely skeptical of the penetration capability of a bullet with the mass of a 9mm and the frontal area of a .44… Sectional density is crap on that
@@GunFunZS Sectional density doesn’t change with speed, it’s just projectile mass per unit area of cross sectional area. Low sectional density is alway bad for penetration- You’d have to push a 125 gr bullet pretty dang fast at that diameter to get good reliable penetration. Maybe it works ok with those copper solids, but I’d need some calibrated gel tests to prove it. 😆
@@jpoeng no one asserted that sectional density does change with speed. But performance does. I think your error is conflating sectional density to terminal effect. This style of bullet tends to work well when it's moving quite fast. Going slow It does basically the same as an FMJ.
@@GunFunZS Ok, yeah, I don’t disagree. But I’m saying that with the energy available to it in this caliber, I just don’t see the concept working well here. The fluidic bullets really want to be zipping along. I like them in 9mm size bullets, and I picked up a 6” 9x25mm barrel for my G20, but it seems to me that the Lehigh type design is “a solution in search of a problem” at these larger calibers. YMMV.
I have arguably 100k+ rounds on my shelf. There are MULTIPLE manufacturers including hornady. I will use the hornady until it is gone, same with all the other mfg. As necessary . It will be replaced as necessary. Probably won’t replace hornady with hornady unless they do an about face. There, I said it. C/2/16 1st Infantry Div. 1969
Meat targets aside, how these monolithic Philips-nosed projectiles would perform on the cavity of a deer or a human, seem to be the same or better in gel test comparisons. In other words, when FLUIDS come into the equation (not tangerines) where substantial hydraulic dynamics could be part of the terminal effect, I think they'd work just fine. I think they'd work almost as well as an expanding projectile while penetrating just as well as a WFN non-expanding solid copper or hard cast load. But hey, none of this stuff has emotional investment. We're just comparing terminal ballistics of various bullet types.
the oranges/tangerines are supposed to simulate lung tissue, which (hopefully? probably?) is not full of fluid before getting shot. Some air, some fluid, some soft tissue
@@utrak I know I know. It's difficult to simulate anything with total accuracy. It's a good device. I'm glad Paul uses this. Yet as an effective tool to demonstrate the differences between an expanding and non-expanding projectile? I don't know honestly. We aren't killing gel blocks to put gel in the freezer, or defending ourselves against gel blocks. But I know why the FBI uses the stuff for terminal ballistics development. It's CONSISTENT for the purpose of small changes in projectiles, metallurgy, velocity, etc. A meat target is anything but consistent, whether it's Paul's setup or an actual animal.
Lots of people do gel tests. It would serve no purpose for me to do gel. There's also the matter of the size and location of the groups. Sadly, I won't be able to test the ammo while hunting because it's prohibited for hunting in my jurisdiction.
@@PaulHarrell Well understood. Short of actual animal dispatching for whatever purposes, we'll have to rely on decades of hunter experience, comparing decades of hunter stories, compare those points of information with late developments in metallurgy, powder, manufacturing, and platforms, and make the best informed decisions we can. And the meat target is a useful tool that demonstrates things that gel, or plywood, or water jugs cannot. Thanks for the content, Paul.
-- My 'theory': Some states, New Jersey for example, it's illegal to carry hollow point ammunition. These as you say 'phillips heads' are an attempt to get around that. I'm a little surprised you got such poor performance out of them. I've seen other calibers with the same projectile design do much better. Would I buy them: Nope. Thumbs up.
.44 Special always seemed to have a great reputation in standard loading from the early years on up to WWII. Skeeter Skelton had a soft spot for it post WWII. Sending a 246 grain bullet down range at 700-800 fps doesn’t sound that impressive, but it is still throwing a respectable sized chunk of lead. This was an informative video.
Well most underestimate bullets and sending a longer bullet with the same weight is harder to do and other factors like smokeless powder but lots of rifle rounds are not even 246 grain
I love shooting 44 spl but it’s expensive and hard to find now. Night and day versus the 44 mag in terms of pleasantness. But to save my life and only one shot to do it, give me the magnum. Scare the hell out of the target even if you miss. Lol.
While it wouldn't be my choice for a self-defense weapon I fully agree there's something to be said about the intimidation factor of having a large revolver pointed at you.
44 is super easy to reload. You don't even need a press, Lee Has a hand loader or "smack loader" (what I call em).. all you need is a good mallet and the components. A work bench wouldn't hurt but any solid table will do.
My friend/coach/mentor has a Ruger New Model Blackhawk in .41 Remington Magnum. It's a hand cannon like his Ruger .44 Remington Magnum. About 10 rounds with either is about all I care for. He told me the .41 mag is primarily a hunting gun. We found ammo in a couple small gun stores in the NC mountains. At the time it was expensive but not like today's prices.
Here in the Communist State of NJ your not allowed to use hollow point's. But the moron's let us Hornady critical defense and duty because they don't look like hollow point's, even though they are. A very intelligent man once said " stupid is as stupid does ".
If you ever get a chance to do a similar test again, I would love to see the meat target behind a car windshield using same ammo. Gut feeling is the monolithic projectiles will really excell, but a test actually proving that would be great.
@@vincedibona4687 I know he has reviewed extreme defender and shot through a car door into gelatin. I don't know of a comparison between hollow points and these modified monolithic copper bullets through barriers into realistic meat targets. Specifically if there is a opportunity to do a car windshield at a realistic angle (not just straight on to the shooter). I think that would be really interesting and in Paul's wheelhouse.
Ok Paul, I deeply respect your knowledge and the content/quality of your videos, along with the respective topics being discussed. Moreover, you're a fellow Jarhead brother as well, BUT your channel is a gun channel. As such, politics CANNOT be avoided. Everything related to firearms is political, just like every other "hot button" issue in America. Additionally, I know you live in a state that always votes "blue," but also possesses very conservative counties and country folk. Yet, I also noticed that a certain percentage of your fan base will eagerly pop off with some negative commentary about Conservatives and/or the GOP (sometimes justly deserved), strongly "implying" they may support the Democratic Party, and at the same time state they are also very "pro gun." A person could have gotten away with that 20-30 years ago, but not anytime recently. So, what point am I trying to make here? You "may" want to get "political" with your channel, because brother, every Federal Democrat is strongly anti-gun (despite their phony campaign pledges), except for maybe Senator Joe Manchin. I don't think it's too far fetched to assume that lovely old school AR15-A1 or A2 that you often employ in your videos "may" be banned in your state down the road???? I sincerely hope not, but I find it so hilarious how people from both coasts make fun or disregard the Midwest flyover country, but our states are solid when it comes to 2nd Amendment issues. Time for you to get the "Ducks" and "Beavers" to wake up!!!
**wild elk bugles loudly and rudely** Only the wolves can cull the elk; in order to ensure the survival of the next generation of baby aspen trees, so that beavers may flourish.
Considering that he's not a fan of the flashier stuff, I'm guessing the basic Remington hollow points. He's mentioned the green box stuff a lot over the years.
@@ethinos2719 Green and white box is just standard FMJ target ammo. It isn't self defense ammo. I wouldn't be surprised if he carried Critical Defense the way he talks about it in this video. I doubt he would ever say because that would sound too much like advice.
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 I meant Golden Sabers, not the FMJ stuff. I'm sure I can find out what he specifically liked in the old 9mm defensive videos but his thoughts may have changed since then.
Paul, you are my favorite TH-camr. I don't watch TV. I'm Gen X, TV does nothing for me. I love select movies as an amateur lover of classic films and select modern films. But you are my favorite TH-camr. You are da Bomb!
Brad's office looks like a neat ol' bunker. Then all those deer in the background, you might have been able to test that way too and save the ribs and tangerines for lunch. ?
The hornady situation involves the company SUPPOSEDLY putting out a memo advising the vaccines would be required and then retracting it.
Lol I was just about to post what's going on with Hornady. I assumed it was more nefarious than that.
Thank you.
Thanks. heard about it, but needed to be reminded.
Production lag is a real problem sometimes. Movies made that showed the twin towers were shelved or edited. And we all remember the Manchurian candidate being shelved after 63 for many years.
I was also just about to say that I have no idea what the controversy is. Thank you Paul!
Hope you're well. ^_^
And then threatening to hunt down and punish the dastardly individual that leaked the vax mandate to the pro-gun press. That was what annoyed me more than buckling down to Jao Bai-den's "mandate" (which I don't like, but I can kinda understand if you live and die by government contracts).
Only Paul Harrell, God bless him, would sincerely ask the internet to please put a little effort into actually knowing what you're talking about. Paul, you're awesome. The internet will never listen, but I like your optimism. Carry on, good sir.
This comment make me chuckle, then I felt a little sad.
@@P_Ezi Same. F
What? You believe people should actually think about things for themselves rather than blindly listening to hypocritical shills and whining tee shirt salesmen (whose constant pandering and fear mongering to morons is their only business plan?) Many of the lemmings in the once-prod 2A community will be really mad that you don't follow them goose-step. Intelligent thought, disagreement and dialogue is NOT permitted in the alt-right world.
@@RA-xl8si Liberals have no room to talk. But as Paul Harrell said, enough political commentary.
@@BigDave131 both extremes suck, the most reasonable people are the 60% in the middle
For an amateur gun enthusiast and engineer, like me, you present an AWESOME set of examples to give empirical evidence, mixed with professional "eye test" opinion. I thoroughly enjoy your videos....no BS...no fluff....no stupid, worthless graphics and irritating music. Please keep it that way!
He’s straight to the point and often mixes in some dry humor.
He’s the best.
I agree with this evaluation.
Straight-up Classic good videos.
No tattoes and top-tanks on steroid-built torsos ._.
Amateur? He's former fbi and he's taken fire
Paul is like the post office of old days, "neither rain, sleet or snow". Excellent video as always.
because the post office today closes when it rains or snows?
Still really hoping for a 2021 Thanksgiving Special presentation
Why? Are you going to watch it with your family on Thanksgiving?
@@dangerous8333 not at all. I just moved from Florida to Wyoming so I'll definitely be solo this holiday season. I just really enjoyed the last 2, and the other holiday presentations Paul's done and wanted to see more
I’ll sneak away from everyone to watch it lol
I too am interested in Paul's dutch oven recipes and life advice.
Levergatnation- Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving! I’m hoping for a Special episode as well !
Deer in the backgroud when Mr. Harrell eaplains the meat target.
Young deer "he has a gun we need to move!"
Older deer closer to Mr. Harrell "naw, that's Paul, if he was after us one of us would be down already."
:)
Plus he has oranges.
@@shawnr771 *Tangerines* lol
@@Rollermanfromspace Same thing.
J/k. Oranges was easier to spell.
Even the deer respect Paul as they wander near him on the firing range, totally unconcerned. Lol.
I thought that I saw a "watch-deer" close behind Paul, keeping him surveiled while the others grazed at a distance. It WAS a very touching scene, and it was clear from the sky light that the shooting started AFTER the deer moved on............................elsullo
The Deer hanging around in the background was hilarious.
As a regular shooter my entire life, its normal. Even on military ranges its normal, they will walk out between tanks firing they are simply just not scared of the sound like people assume they should be.
@@jaydunbar7538 That's until you have a deer tag in your pocket . . . . . .
They looked like Elk... the white butts....
12:20
Deer-1: “Should we run away?”
Deer-2: “Don’t you like pork rib?”
The cool thing about Paul is he looks like a guy who earned the EIB.
Paul looks like he could be Steve McQueens son
I know he has his CIB but not sure about the EIB.
Upon earning a CIB the EIB is superceded.
@@shawnr771 if a Soldier has both CIB and EIB it is up to the Soldier to decide which to wear as regulations prohibit the wearing of both.
One does not supersede the other.
@@dr.floridamanphd you are correct.
Only Paul would stand in the middle of a small herd of deer building his "simulated meat targets" I guess it's too much to ask the deer to stand in front of the new and improved fleece bullet stops. Nice site!
Those deer know what's up when Paul's done shooting. It's DINNER TIME! lol
The deer know whats up. It's private land (I assume) and Paul isn't there to hunt when he brings his own meat. But I'm just a little surprised Paul didn't say anything about offering the deer hearing protection.
@@benjaminshropshire2900 it is private. He bought a good chunk of land in southwest Missouri as a training ground (so to speak).
@@evilblackcat6357 Tangerines for EVERYBODY!!!
@@dr.floridamanphd I thought he lived in Oregon. Why would his training ground be in Missouri? Does he not live in Oregon?
18:29 that felt like less than 5 minutes. Paul is the most consistent channel. Consistently great!
If you push your time stamp it feels like a millisecond
Yeah, that went by fast as hell. About to rewatch. Heh.
Paul has earned my “only channel I’ll click off the video I was watching for” award
That is exactly what i just did.
Same
Ditto and literally just did that 👍
Paul, you are a beacon of shining light in the times we currently live. Thank you for nothing more than just being you.
Good sentiment. Well said friend.
@@MajorT0m thank you.
I fully agree.
Agreed
100 percent leave the politics out. Good info Paul!
Wait what's going on at Hornady? I haven't heard anything
attempting to force the jab on employees
@@Clever-Name Well that's some horse shit
Paul I am a fairly new shooter, and I am very appreciative of your presentations.
I have been around firearms my whole life but I have fired very little, and I am in the process of trying to get a 1911 and a concealed carry license. So thank you to you and the people behind the scenes for all the work y’all put in.
I love your channel paul! One of the best gun channels out there!
I freakin love you brother! I laughed so hard at your intro! I am SOOO sick of the politics too. "At least put some effort into knowing what you're talking about" LMAO
But but but knowing what I’m talking about goes against my confirmation bias!!!!!!
**head explodes**
I have no idea what a black hills homey badger is but i look forward to finding out
@Tommy Gaming 🅥 I'm absolutely not clicking that
I'm impressed that the Gold Dot expanded at that low a velocity, well done Speer.
I hope to meet Mr. Harrell someday and shake his hand and thank him for the work he and the crew do. I put my faith in his words because he backs up those words with fact, not here say. He's an experienced shooter and really good at teaching and passing knowledge on to others. Hey, even the deer show up to listen in when he does a video. That might be dangerous though. Makes the deer more cunning.....
Be careful, I'll bet he has one hell of a firm hand shake
Hay i work at rugers making those gp100’s 😜
I own 2. And looking at a .327 FedMag for a 3rd.
Paul, thank you for the catalog of videos you left behind for us to return to from time to time and refresh ourselves with the wealth of knowledge you shared. You were truly one of a kind and I am going to miss you. Rest in peace.
Paul, in my opinion, the advantage of the extreme defense bullet design is exactly what you showed. Reliable real world performance such as shown on your meat target but most importantly, zero need to rely on expansion. A hollow points performance, albeit critical defense or whatever, is mostly reliant on it expanding as designed. If it doesn’t, you may have pass thru or damage inadequacies. Yes, you may have to adjust your sights for a different point of aim but the extreme defender bullet design eliminates the worry of wondering if it’s going to expand properly. It doesn’t need to
I would add the meat target does not simulate a closed body with fluid. The damage cavities inflicted on ballistic gel with the Underwood ammo is pretty impressive. Loved the video!
As someone who has used hollow point ammunition in self defense... I very much appreciated the fact all of my bullets stopped in my target and didn't pass through to the park time with children behind my home. Though my experience is it really doesn't matter if there is expansion or not just so long as it hits and doesn't keep going. This lady one the mother fucker somehow survived after getting shot in the chest twice, part of the second bullet even hot his heart and the first hit his bladder and intestines....
Never forget the idiot dumb enough to fuck with you when he knows you havea gun is almost certainly high as fuck on drugs... Bullets don't stop someone with an overdose of fentynl and methamphetamines in his system but it will make that mother fucker run the fuck away.
The HPs (Speer Gold Dot and FTX) will work with bodily fluids too though. You don't need flutes to push fluid. Really though, our bodies are not like water jugs or gelatin blocks. The amount and distribution of fluid in lung tissue, for example, is analogous to the amount and distribution of fluid in the tangerines, much more than it would be like a jug of water.
Regarldess, the Speer and the FTX both exhibited more damage in this test than both FTM loadings did, so with extra fluid in the equation, that would mean either the HPs would do still more damage than they did, or the FTM bullets would only do greater damage to the point they were ay the level of the Speer GD and Hornady FTX in Paul's test.
On the other hand, FTM style (fluted) bullets will not expand, period: a HP may have poor expansion on a particular shot, but it will never shrink smaller than the size of the FTM bullet, which is a solid, mono-metal projectile.
So I don't really see what the advantage to be had is using the FTM bullets, especially in something such as 44 SPL, where velocities are well under 1,500 fps. Even taking the marketing hype concerning the flutes and "hydraulic pressure" at face value, basic physics would tell us that velocities would need to be quite high to develop enough energy to dump out as hydraulic force, so as to have an effect comparable to a larger projectile.
Since rifling puts spin n the bullet, can you use an extreme defender or honey badger ammo as a long distance Philips head screw driver? Nah, probably a bad idea. ;)
I like that....lol
The person on the receiving end is definitely screwed.
Neither rain nor snow nor dark of night will stop Paul from delivering intelligent and worthwhile information. Thank you Paul for another great Sunday video.
Please!! Just let Paul do his thing!
If you are nit picking his stuff go away or shut up.
He is far and away more forthcoming and honest about what he is doing. If you don't like it... well that middle finger thing.
Thank you for the presentation Paul, I love learning from you
Will someone clue me in as to what the hornady situation is?
I’m guessing it’s cause they agreed with the vaccine mandate. I think they’ve reversed course though.
Right?
I love it when the deer show up to say hi in Paul's videos!
Me: *Does a quick google search as to what Paul is talking about in regards to Hornady*.............no wonder Paul hates talking about current events and politics regardless of which way he leans
What happened?
I'd bet he doesn't really lean much. At least not to extremes.
@@jerbus7956 Hornady was going to mandate getting vaccinated for its workers. This naturally caused a massive shitstorm among the usual subjects. 🙄
@@jerbus7956 to greatly over simplify, basically Hornday was gonna comply with the Biden Vaccine mandate for businesses with 100+ employees to meet OSHA Standards , possible lost of employment for those who refused to get vaccinated, and the internet shat a brick and sent the internet rage mobs after Hornady. Again, greatly over simplifying
tsk tsk Hornady, what part of "do not comply" did you not understand?
Them deer in the background must be waiting on the fruit from the meat target... LOL Its crazy how often they show up on yalls "range" they're either really thick up there or don't get hunted on that property either way they're pretty cool to always see them. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Deer and other "vegan" animals are known to eat meat and even gnaw bones on occasion. Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't leave much of it for the coyotes and other carnivores/omnivores.
@@markfergerson2145 never heard that one before and I've been hunting since I was a little kid... "The More You Know" Take care brother!!
@@markfergerson2145 If the deer started hunting and eating the hunters, things would get a lot more exciting!
You should check out Jefferson Barracks in St Louis. It’s a VA Hospital these days. The deer there can’t be hunted and are borderline tame. They have no problem walking right up to you.
They probably equate gunfire to oranges, watermelons, and cheap soda to wash it all down! Today, they got tangerines! :) The deer around where I live are actually attracted to the sound of chainsaws. In the fall, chainsaws mean easy to reach acorns!
"I'm not seeing any deer today, where'd they go?"
12:13 "Looks like they're hanging out with Paul Harrell again." 😆
Even the elk stop what they are doing to watch Paul Harrell.
Loved your pre-video comments. People (including myself) have a tendency to hear, or see, only half of what really took place causing them to open their mouths, when in fact they should have kept them shut! Thanks for your videos, and keep them coming!
"Please put a little effort into knowing what you are talking about."
But... but... That's not how the internet and social media work.
These targets remind me of the movie Broken Arrow; "Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?"
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Travolta played a fantastic bad guy in that movie. Especially considering that no one involved was seriously trying to make a complex high brow film which would require the audience to do much thinking.
@@sheldoniusRex Well, it had Christian Slater...
I have been enjoying Paul's videos since grade school, now I enjoy watching them with my great grandchildren.
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You are wayyyyyto right
The joke is flying way over my head.
Really surprised to see the Speer expand and deal damage so well, considering the much lower velocity. Just goes to show that you must always TEST to make sure you're getting what you pay for.
Just ordered a Paul Harrell Original Meat Trap shirt from DoNotComply. Love it!
Ammo aside, I love the radioactive target. I think I am going to track some of those down.
What did hornady do? What’s the gun community pissing themselves about now?
I always end up watching Paul's videos right before starting on my English homework like clockwork.
The weather there sounds like you are making popcorn!
thats awesome since black hill ammo is available in my country while hornady is not.
in switzerland you can only use non-expanding ammo or minimally expanding ammo, which is why lapuas CEPP or fiocci black mamba was an option so far. the solid copper options like in the video are far more effective IMO
Seems odd. I'd wonder what the justification was, but seeing as how we're talking about Switzerland, I'm gonna guess some feminist was horribly misinformed and decided to pass a law anyhow. Just my guess lol.
@@evilblackcat6357 We are a collateral demage of Hollywood painting expanding bullets as evil... the Honey Badger ammo is for sale here in Switzerland, now if we actually had the right to carry...
@@doejohn8674 More expansion = less risk of overpenetration, less risk of collateral damage (i. e. wounded/dead bystanders). Stupid lawmakers...
@@markfergerson2145 you expect lawmakers to actually KNOW about thing they're making laws about? Get real.
@@connorwinter9257 I live in the USA and know better about *our* politicians. I would have thought better about Swiss politicians... but apparently Stupid Leftist Thinking(tm) has infected politicians worldwide.
It’s nice to think you might be able to reload the screwdriver tips if you find them though.
If you thought brass goblins were annoying...
✌️ My brother (IL) bought a 44 derringer for personal security.
He wanted to test it out so we went to the Sheriff's gun range I had access to. The range master gave him two rounds of 44 magnum to test it out with.
It's recoil drew blood on the web of our hands as we verified it worked in both barrels. The range master laughed at BILs initiation.
We then let BIL try out the full auto tommy gun the department had at the range.
He couldn't stop smiling! 😁
Why does the department have a FA Thompson? Do they use it for duty?
Totally understand. I have a full auto addiction. Shot tons of them. That Thompson though, it's way up on the list of favorites. Turns the intended target into swiss cheese, see?
@@joshuagibson2520 IDK why that department has it but I think EVERYONE should be able to have one if they feel like it!!
@@BabyCharlotteschannel I agree. 100%
@@joshuagibson2520 Dayton Ohio police have one on display at they're range office. Many were issued during the riots back in the 60's and came from US government surplus leftover from WW2.
I really liked the H&K UMP 45 smg. Talk about a blast! 😁
12:13 Love the deer in the background. I wonder what they think of "Meat Targets?"
Deer : glad that ain't me
"That's right humans, eat more pork!"
Thanks for making the Honey Badger vs Extreme Defense video.
I thought the deer would stick around to see the meat target results...
Another great, easy to follow, detailed, informative and entertaining video. Thanks Paul.
Whatever happened to people having opinions? Every freaking thing is now controversial, every has to clarify or apologize. I may disagree with someone political preference 100% but I will still be reasonable and listen to what they have to say. I hope we get out of this "with us or against us" mentality.
Thinking back to other videos, rounds using a similar Phillips screwdriver bullet design didn't have much or any deformation.
Copper is a 3 on the Mohs hardness scale. Lead is 1.5
Political comment on political things I don’t fully understand. I hate that one candidate who is a golfing buddy of the candidate I actually like. I think voting for my guy will change my life, and make my wife come back, stop my kids from hating me and fix the blown head gasket on my truck. Everyone better vote for my guy or it’s your fault if my wife doesn’t come back.
I like the fact that Paul's office looks like my dad's garage, but with a computer. Keep it real Paul.
Not Paul's office.
it's brad's office. Pay attention.
It looked more like bunker than an office.
@@Loader138 thats my kind of office
I like to see the chronograph. I don't have one so I judge ammo by grouping on paper and damage on other targets. I don't make meat targets either. I shoot heavy steel gongs. My Mosin naggant will knock the gong and steel target stand back a few feet which is pretty hard hitting. My 308 just spins the gong
I love how you almost alway cover all of your bases. God bless you Paul. Your thorough-ness is unrivalled.
Before: the dumber the ammo name…
After:…the less I want it.
Thanks Paul
Hope everyone is having a fun - and safe - opening day of deer season!
I cleaned up this year, got an 8 point in my clearing 11 minutes after legal shooting started.
Your videos have always been correct and professional. Please stop trying to fix stupid people, it's a waist of your precious time.
I always thought Black Hills was drastically over-priced. Their performance is SOMETIMES a tiny bit better than much lower priced options, and often is no-better, no-worse. They seem to have "convinced" many people (some of whom were given the ammo for free in exchange for good reviews.)
They're in the same vein of "self-defense" ammo as many other specialty ammo makers. Usually drastically over-priced for about half the amount of ammo you'd normally get and they use a lot of buzz words and print a bunch of ballistics on their websites and boxes to try to convince you that it's worth the price. You're better off spending that money on some quality bullets and reloading supplies and just make your own if you're concerned about good ammo for self-defense. At least then you know for sure you've used quality components and don't have to spend a mint to just to shoot 25 or so at the range and can actually test how well they work.
@@upinarms79 It’s generally considered not the best idea to use reloads for a carry or dangerous game hunting gun when they are on the job. Reliability, as I’ve proven to myself a few times 😿 isn’t quite as good…
Both the Underwood and Black Hills Honey Badgers use Lehigh Defense bullets.
Deer walks up "Yep, stopped by the 1st layer of fleece"
You know they're out there gathering intelligence for deer season.
Thanks Paul - I was going to ask what Hornady did, and see that you pinned the answer. As always, you are thinking ahead. :) LOL
I’d be extremely skeptical of the penetration capability of a bullet with the mass of a 9mm and the frontal area of a .44… Sectional density is crap on that
Yes. Unless it's moving fast. But this is going 9mm speeds...
Maybe good for overpenetration concerns?
@@GunFunZS Sectional density doesn’t change with speed, it’s just projectile mass per unit area of cross sectional area. Low sectional density is alway bad for penetration- You’d have to push a 125 gr bullet pretty dang fast at that diameter to get good reliable penetration. Maybe it works ok with those copper solids, but I’d need some calibrated gel tests to prove it. 😆
@@jpoeng no one asserted that sectional density does change with speed. But performance does. I think your error is conflating sectional density to terminal effect. This style of bullet tends to work well when it's moving quite fast. Going slow It does basically the same as an FMJ.
@@GunFunZS Ok, yeah, I don’t disagree. But I’m saying that with the energy available to it in this caliber, I just don’t see the concept working well here. The fluidic bullets really want to be zipping along. I like them in 9mm size bullets, and I picked up a 6” 9x25mm barrel for my G20, but it seems to me that the Lehigh type design is “a solution in search of a problem” at these larger calibers. YMMV.
You'd think lighter bullets would shoot high, not low...
12:21 I see meat targets in the background!
I love Paul's Ghostbusters/hi-speed/tier1op outfit he wears
Stop what you're doing, swallow what your chewing, mute that ball game. Pay attention... the master speaks!
Glad we have Paul and the meat target. Also glad I trusted my gut and avoided the screwdriver rounds....
Seen them tested in rifles for hunting and they had very promising results. The short pistols don't seem to be good for the design.
Paul actually likes them in .380.
They're essentially FMJ rounds. Once the hype dies down, people will look back and laugh years from now.
Practice with the stuff you plan on carrying! That way you know where your hits will be. The other stuff is for plinking.
I have arguably 100k+ rounds on my shelf. There are MULTIPLE manufacturers including hornady. I will use the hornady until it is gone, same with all the other mfg. As necessary . It will be replaced as necessary. Probably won’t replace hornady with hornady unless they do an about face. There, I said it. C/2/16 1st Infantry Div. 1969
That's fair. Do not comply. FJB
What happened with Hornady?
Hi Paul. How about a video about fliers, what causes them, and how to reduce their frequency?
Always something new to learn from Paul's excellent videos.
Dear Paul, can we have some cooking videos, with, or without a Dutch oven. Thanks very much.
Meat targets aside, how these monolithic Philips-nosed projectiles would perform on the cavity of a deer or a human, seem to be the same or better in gel test comparisons. In other words, when FLUIDS come into the equation (not tangerines) where substantial hydraulic dynamics could be part of the terminal effect, I think they'd work just fine. I think they'd work almost as well as an expanding projectile while penetrating just as well as a WFN non-expanding solid copper or hard cast load.
But hey, none of this stuff has emotional investment. We're just comparing terminal ballistics of various bullet types.
the oranges/tangerines are supposed to simulate lung tissue, which (hopefully? probably?) is not full of fluid before getting shot. Some air, some fluid, some soft tissue
@@utrak I know I know. It's difficult to simulate anything with total accuracy. It's a good device. I'm glad Paul uses this.
Yet as an effective tool to demonstrate the differences between an expanding and non-expanding projectile? I don't know honestly.
We aren't killing gel blocks to put gel in the freezer, or defending ourselves against gel blocks. But I know why the FBI uses the stuff for terminal ballistics development. It's CONSISTENT for the purpose of small changes in projectiles, metallurgy, velocity, etc. A meat target is anything but consistent, whether it's Paul's setup or an actual animal.
@@exothermal.sprocket Yeah that's fair. Still, it'd be a shame if he switched to gel, gotta have that meat target magic
Lots of people do gel tests. It would serve no purpose for me to do gel.
There's also the matter of the size and location of the groups.
Sadly, I won't be able to test the ammo while hunting because it's prohibited for hunting in my jurisdiction.
@@PaulHarrell Well understood. Short of actual animal dispatching for whatever purposes, we'll have to rely on decades of hunter experience, comparing decades of hunter stories, compare those points of information with late developments in metallurgy, powder, manufacturing, and platforms, and make the best informed decisions we can.
And the meat target is a useful tool that demonstrates things that gel, or plywood, or water jugs cannot.
Thanks for the content, Paul.
-- My 'theory': Some states, New Jersey for example, it's illegal to carry hollow point ammunition. These as you say 'phillips heads' are an attempt to get around that.
I'm a little surprised you got such poor performance out of them. I've seen other calibers with the same projectile design do much better.
Would I buy them: Nope. Thumbs up.
.44 Special always seemed to have a great reputation in standard loading from the early years on up to WWII. Skeeter Skelton had a soft spot for it post WWII. Sending a 246 grain bullet down range at 700-800 fps doesn’t sound that impressive, but it is still throwing a respectable sized chunk of lead. This was an informative video.
Similar to the standard .45 ACP.
Well most underestimate bullets and sending a longer bullet with the same weight is harder to do and other factors like smokeless powder but lots of rifle rounds are not even 246 grain
"We are out on our RAINge today".
good one.
Thanks Paul wishing you a great weekend.
I buy Underwood extreme defender just incase I run into someone with a few to many loose screws in their head.
Watching Paul count out points he's making routinely gives me the giggles.
I'm in need of some help being pointed in the right direction. I have a new 12ga design but need funding and backing from a reputable company. Thanks!
I love shooting 44 spl but it’s expensive and hard to find now. Night and day versus the 44 mag in terms of pleasantness. But to save my life and only one shot to do it, give me the magnum. Scare the hell out of the target even if you miss. Lol.
While it wouldn't be my choice for a self-defense weapon I fully agree there's something to be said about the intimidation factor of having a large revolver pointed at you.
44 is super easy to reload. You don't even need a press, Lee Has a hand loader or "smack loader" (what I call em).. all you need is a good mallet and the components. A work bench wouldn't hurt but any solid table will do.
@@evilblackcat6357 “I’m telling you, son, well, it ain’t no fun, staring down straight down a .44!”
Skynyrd
Is there a revolver caliber that isn’t expensive?
@@dr.floridamanphd well the crowd cleared away and I began to pray as the water fell on the floor..
YES
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Enjoy your videos (Usually) but am I the only one who has to turn the sound down during the intro?
Would you do a “bit” on .41mag? I like the cartridge , but it sremd to hsve become obdolete
Not obsolete by any means but often difficult to find.
All together the crew has over one hundred handguns. None of them are a .41 magnum.
My friend/coach/mentor has a Ruger New Model Blackhawk in
.41 Remington Magnum. It's a hand cannon like his Ruger .44 Remington Magnum. About 10 rounds with either is about all I care for. He told me the .41 mag is primarily a hunting gun. We found ammo in a couple small gun stores in the NC mountains. At the time it was expensive but not like today's prices.
Here in the Communist State of NJ your not allowed to use hollow point's. But the moron's let us Hornady critical defense and duty because they don't look like hollow point's, even though they are. A very intelligent man once said " stupid is as stupid does ".
If you ever get a chance to do a similar test again, I would love to see the meat target behind a car windshield using same ammo. Gut feeling is the monolithic projectiles will really excell, but a test actually proving that would be great.
IraqVeteran8888 has done something similar.
Interesting concept.
Paul has done cars as defensive positions.
A meat target added to the mix would be interesting.
@@vincedibona4687 I know he has reviewed extreme defender and shot through a car door into gelatin. I don't know of a comparison between hollow points and these modified monolithic copper bullets through barriers into realistic meat targets. Specifically if there is a opportunity to do a car windshield at a realistic angle (not just straight on to the shooter). I think that would be really interesting and in Paul's wheelhouse.
Who cares if they were out of oranges (12:35)! There's a heard of elk behind you!
Ok Paul, I deeply respect your knowledge and the content/quality of your videos, along with the respective topics being discussed. Moreover, you're a fellow Jarhead brother as well, BUT your channel is a gun channel. As such, politics CANNOT be avoided. Everything related to firearms is political, just like every other "hot button" issue in America. Additionally, I know you live in a state that always votes "blue," but also possesses very conservative counties and country folk. Yet, I also noticed that a certain percentage of your fan base will eagerly pop off with some negative commentary about Conservatives and/or the GOP (sometimes justly deserved), strongly "implying" they may support the Democratic Party, and at the same time state they are also very "pro gun." A person could have gotten away with that 20-30 years ago, but not anytime recently. So, what point am I trying to make here? You "may" want to get "political" with your channel, because brother, every Federal Democrat is strongly anti-gun (despite their phony campaign pledges), except for maybe Senator Joe Manchin. I don't think it's too far fetched to assume that lovely old school AR15-A1 or A2 that you often employ in your videos "may" be banned in your state down the road???? I sincerely hope not, but I find it so hilarious how people from both coasts make fun or disregard the Midwest flyover country, but our states are solid when it comes to 2nd Amendment issues. Time for you to get the "Ducks" and "Beavers" to wake up!!!
What’s happening at Hornady ammunition…..?
**wild elk bugles loudly and rudely**
Only the wolves can cull the elk; in order to ensure the survival of the next generation of baby aspen trees, so that beavers may flourish.
Would like to see a test of different rifle cartridges on the deermeat target at various ranges say out to 400 yards.
HORNADY DID A VAX MANDATE?! Ok I'm out.
Never noticed how big Paul’s feet were.
I wonder what round Paul prefers to use in his 9mm self defense carry guns
I would thoroughly enjoy watching him cover that particular topic.
Considering that he's not a fan of the flashier stuff, I'm guessing the basic Remington hollow points. He's mentioned the green box stuff a lot over the years.
@@ethinos2719 Green and white box is just standard FMJ target ammo. It isn't self defense ammo. I wouldn't be surprised if he carried Critical Defense the way he talks about it in this video. I doubt he would ever say because that would sound too much like advice.
@@DangerRussDayZ6533 I meant Golden Sabers, not the FMJ stuff. I'm sure I can find out what he specifically liked in the old 9mm defensive videos but his thoughts may have changed since then.
3 out of 5 in basically one hole is a great group, albeit in need of a point of aim adjustment.
Paul, you are my favorite TH-camr. I don't watch TV. I'm Gen X, TV does nothing for me. I love select movies as an amateur lover of classic films and select modern films. But you are my favorite TH-camr. You are da Bomb!
Paul gets rained on a lot. We need to send him a rain hat. He needs a Jones hat to match his jacket.
Brad's office looks like a neat ol' bunker.
Then all those deer in the background, you might have been able to test that way too and save the ribs and tangerines for lunch. ?