“as a beginner you have no idea what’s going on” - so true!!! I’m a keen beginner, but when I downloaded my first pattern I was mega confused with all abbreviations! Then it took me few TH-cam videos to understanding how to do each style/type… now I’m frustrated as my crochet it’s getting smaller on each row, so I’m missing turning chain (I think!). Hope your video will help me out as I’m loosing my will to live 😂
Oh my gosh, bless you for putting out this video. It has answered all the questions that have been bugging me. Short and to the point. Going to go have a look-see at your others videos, etc. And thank you so much!!
🙋🏾♀️ thank you..because my edges are zig-zagging like they are skiing down the Swiss Alps, lol Girl, I feel like you just turned water into wine before my eyes 👀
thank you so much for this information, what about patterns that require for you to chain 1 and turn the work, would you still do the next stitch in the same stitch as the ch1?
I was in your shoes once and it was the most frustrating thing not being able to find the answer 😅 so I knew I had to create a video for it! I’m so glad you found it helpful
Thanks you, this helps. This may be dumb, but when you talk about wither or not you count your turning chain as a stitch when you count. Is it possible to show us that. I'm new to crochet can still trying to learn what the stitches look like or how to tell the difference. Thank you!
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I wish I could get someone to take one of the pics I've taken of my project & draw on it to show me each stitch, each turning chain, each row, & number everything to show my count. All color coordinated, too. That's how I envision really seeing everything clearly, for me.
This was so great, thank you! Can you do a similar one for crocheting in the round? I keep fumbling when I get back to my starting point unsure of when to slip stitch!
If you put a stitch marker in your first stitch that will be where you slip stitch when you finish the round..then make your first stitch of the next round and put your stitch marker in that first stitch..
This is the single issue that has kept me from taking up crochet over the years. I never liked or understood the purpose of a turning chain. I stopped using one. I broke the rule and now my crochet is nicer than ever. Perfectly straight edges. The messy bumpy edges on crochet works is what I hates about it. It always made me itch. It's why I always picked knitting over crochet. Now I love crochet. There are much better methods out there than chaining up.
I was under the impression that whether chains count or not was determined by the pattern creator although I hate the holes that chains leave so I prefer the alternative turning chain method
Yes, that’s right. In the end it really is personal preference and you’ll be following what the pattern says anyway, but I wanted to clear the air by providing the technical answers as well!
ME! Yes, this has been a mystery. I now have another dilemma. I'm crocheting a shrug. It goes from HERR dc to SC. The DC counts as a stitch in this pattern. When I switched to SC, I lost 2 stitches. Instead of 80, I have 78. How do you switch and keep your count! Thanks for this info.
OK, this is great and helps a TON - however - when I'm ending a row, where do I male my final stitch into the chain: for hdc or dc? I've seen some say to stitch into the 2nd ch, etc. I have it down for sc, but after taking a break from practicing hdc and dc and learning amigurumi and working in the round, I've come back to them and cannot, for the life of me, get my edges straight. Someone, please help! 😅❤
@kaleyjanenigh There are two methods: 1) your turning chain counts as a stitch: chain 2! for sc/chain also 2 for hdc/chain 3 for dc -> skip the first stitch -> final stitch goes into the top of the chain from the previous row (insert hook under whichever two threads is convenient for you) 2) your turning chain doesn't count as a stitch: chain 1 for sc/chain 2 for hdc/chain 3 for dc -> don't skip the first stitch -> final stitch goes into the last V-shaped stitch The author of the video uses method 2 for rows of sc and hdc, but method 1 for rows of dc. It's entirely up to personal preference. I, for example, prefer to use method 1 for everything. Method 1 tends to produce wavy edges with holes, method 2 tends to produce small tips at the edges for rows of sc and zig-zag edges for rows of dc. A note about the length of a turning chain: the shorter you make it, the straighter the edges will be, but also the less elastic. The numbers I give above result in comparable elasticity both at the center of your project and at the edges.
Yes I do! It’s called Counting Crochet Stitches and Rows. It’s a longer video but it’s packed with really good information! I hope it helps. You can find it here: th-cam.com/video/ikZGcQEPQcg/w-d-xo.html
@mailosgirl2 In theory it should have been exactly as you wrote - you skip 4 (3 act as a dc + 1 acts as that first stitch in a row that's being skipped = 4) and insert your hook in the 5th. But in reality this creates an unbearable hole, so I suggest inserting the hook into the 4th.
Thank you for this video. It makes things very clear ...except I do have a question. So if the pattern says the double crochet DOES count as a stitch does that mean when you begin to crochet that row you start counting at 2? (For example if the pattern says ch 3, turn and then crochet 20, do you really only crochet 19?). Arrgh!
Sigoni Macaroni I think I have been doing this wrong the entire time. I think it explains some of the problems I’ve had with some projects not coming out right. Thank you so much!
@@SigoniMacaroni I've been racking my brain on this for a few days, among many other crochet techniques and nuances, and today I came across your video, which was very helpful btw! I'm still stuck tho - What if the pattern says that the turning chain DOES count as a stitch, but you know in your heart that the final product is not going to have the straight, gap-less edges that you want? Let's say you disregard what the pattern says and you do NOT count the turning chain as a stitch? Could that potentially affect the number of stitches needed in your initial foundation chain? (Hope that makes sense?!)
Thank you. I am not a beginner. But I have never conquered this. Omg it's the throb in my side. I stick to amigurumi where none of this matters. Beautiful work But I often asked for all things hats scarves booties. They come out beautiful. But I just fudge it. I'm left handed. I understand everything being stated. What I just do not get. Is this process abs the count. My trouble always comes in the round. Pattern says. Ch st doesn't count but tells you first st is right in tbat base. St. My round just keeps growing. If it says the chain does count yet says with right into the first base. Always ending at join top of the chain. Chain 3. Then start right exactly where you joined I guess what I would really like explained to Me as I am a 1 grader Where does the very next st IN THE ROUND ONLY GOES? Working in tbe round I alway use magic ring. Wonder if the process to make that first magic ring. Is that a chain? But truly I just desperately want to know. Give a arm to know When working rounds and the chain stitch counts. You do join with a slp st. Where does the very first st go. Whether it counts. Or not. Where is the first stitch after that join. Thanks.
I completely understand why you’re confused. Turning chains are super confusing and when paired with crocheting in the round it gets more confusing unless someone explains it right so I’m going to try my best. First, the magic ring does not count as a chain. The chain is referring to the turning chain or the beginning chain before you start making your stitches. When a pattern says that the chain counts as a stitch you’re basically just pretending that the chain is a stitch. So it has nothing to do with whether you place your first stitch in the base of the chain or not. It’s just talking about the chain itself and if it “acts” as a stitch. It’s really hard to explain through text but I do have one of my lessons that is a part of my learn to crochet Masterclass that explains it. It’s lesson 10 part one and part two. I highly recommend watching both of those videos to gain an understanding of working in the round and I believe I also talk about the chain counting as a stitch. But if you are still confused let me know and I’ll try to create another video or something like that so I can help. th-cam.com/video/npUnNdRVyXE/w-d-xo.html
@@SigoniMacaroni I went over there and watched. But guess what. It's unbelievable. This started because I purchased another pattern fir a hat. Chain counts as a st. Well the designer just got back to me. And stated. There was an error in her pattern. And it was nit me. This is the 4 pattern I bought went crazy. Then was told. Oops. I did make a mistake by the designer. It happens. I get it now. That's why I must be self assured about what I am doing. She also looked at my pic. Wait fir it. Told me. CathyJo. I just looked at your pictures and realized yiu are joining in the chain. That is incorrect. You should be Joint in the next stitch. I Give Up I just watched your wonderful Sergio video that said join in the chain. ? And they wonder why we are so confused. Lol. I'll get it one day.
Oh. My. Stars! Thank you! I think I get it. I tried a little double crochet doll blanket for practice seeing and counting stitches. Having trouble doing a single crochet border. Holes at the chain 3’s.
@paulatate4513 She counts the turning chain as a stitch and skips the first stitch (and then the last stitch must go into the top of the chain from the previous row). An alternative method is when a turning chain doesn't count as a stitch and the first dc goes into the first stitch (and then the last dc must go into the last V-shaped stitch).
Hi Sue! If you’re watching the videos on mobile, click the three dots in the top right corner, then “captions” and choose “English (auto generated)” and that should work for you!
@krazymammaw3040 You can. But you'll end up with edges having lower elasticity than the middle of your project. While it may be useful in some projects (a wallhanging for example?), at most times it's preferable that the edges have similar elasticity as the rest of the work. Chain 3 works well for rows of dbc in that regard.
Hi Mary, if you’re pretty new at crochet it may not make much sense to you. I have a 14 day Masterclass that you might want to check out and I think it will answer your questions! th-cam.com/play/PLmobLoMZ1riTNFsxCena7K93Zsls6F2CF.html
@@SigoniMacaroni not at all 🤣,I've made dresses for my girl and cardigans and velur toys and never worked with not counting the chain 2. And now I have a pattern and no matter what I do,it's the only one that doesn't give me the stitches at any row,I've tried every counting on this planet. Can the pattern be wrong in number???
Yes, turning chains are confusing. I explained all of the technical terms and "rules" in this video, but all designers choose to do things differently. The more you crochet the more it will make sense
I was hoping this would help, but it did not! I googled a question asking, "If the chain stitch (this for single crochet only) COUNTS AS YOUR FIRST STITCH, and the row count for that row is 240 stitches, how do you count the entire row? I was told by the designer to just just PHYSICALLY" only crochet 239 stitches!! I do not get it. You see, I am trying to do a crochet portrait, and it is imperative that the COLORS line up in the right places, and mine do not. I have been trying to do this for over a month!!!
Hi there! It sounds like this is something you should email the designer about. She may be able to give you more clarification. However, it sounds like if she’s saying the chain one counts as a single crochet then you will skip the very first stitch in the row and single crochet 239 times down. Then once you reach the end of the row your last sc will go into the chain 1 turning chain. Hopefully that makes sense, but if it doesn’t, I would reach out to the designer. Good luck!
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“as a beginner you have no idea what’s going on” - so true!!! I’m a keen beginner, but when I downloaded my first pattern I was mega confused with all abbreviations! Then it took me few TH-cam videos to understanding how to do each style/type… now I’m frustrated as my crochet it’s getting smaller on each row, so I’m missing turning chain (I think!). Hope your video will help me out as I’m loosing my will to live 😂
Oh my gosh, bless you for putting out this video. It has answered all the questions that have been bugging me. Short and to the point. Going to go have a look-see at your others videos, etc. And thank you so much!!
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I have been crocheting for a while and still had questions about this. Thank you so much for clarifying!
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Me! Thank you so much for this video. Nobody ever explains why they are doing what they do.
🙋🏾♀️ thank you..because my edges are zig-zagging like they are skiing down the Swiss Alps, lol Girl, I feel like you just turned water into wine before my eyes 👀
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thank you so much for this information, what about patterns that require for you to chain 1 and turn the work, would you still do the next stitch in the same stitch as the ch1?
This is so helpful. The most confusing part of crochet to me. I think I got it. 👍
Awesome! So happy to hear that
Thank you. Someone who actually explains this!
I was in your shoes once and it was the most frustrating thing not being able to find the answer 😅 so I knew I had to create a video for it! I’m so glad you found it helpful
Thank you for demystifying how to count!
Thank you-so helpful!
The most informative video ever on chain stitches! I get so confused with the turns and where to insert the hook.
I’m so glad you found it informative! It used to confuse the crap out of me too 😆
That you for this video. It has helped me a lot to understand.
I’m a newbie; this makes sense, thanks!
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Thanks you, this helps. This may be dumb, but when you talk about wither or not you count your turning chain as a stitch when you count. Is it possible to show us that. I'm new to crochet can still trying to learn what the stitches look like or how to tell the difference. Thank you!
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I wish I could get someone to take one of the pics I've taken of my project & draw on it to show me each stitch, each turning chain, each row, & number everything to show my count. All color coordinated, too. That's how I envision really seeing everything clearly, for me.
Thank you sooo much for this video. And also exactly where to put the hook!!!!!
This was so great, thank you! Can you do a similar one for crocheting in the round? I keep fumbling when I get back to my starting point unsure of when to slip stitch!
Try watching Lessons 10A and 10B. It should help you with that! ❤️ th-cam.com/video/npUnNdRVyXE/w-d-xo.html
If you put a stitch marker in your first stitch that will be where you slip stitch when you finish the round..then make your first stitch of the next round and put your stitch marker in that first stitch..
This is the single issue that has kept me from taking up crochet over the years. I never liked or understood the purpose of a turning chain. I stopped using one. I broke the rule and now my crochet is nicer than ever. Perfectly straight edges. The messy bumpy edges on crochet works is what I hates about it. It always made me itch. It's why I always picked knitting over crochet. Now I love crochet. There are much better methods out there than chaining up.
I was under the impression that whether chains count or not was determined by the pattern creator although I hate the holes that chains leave so I prefer the alternative turning chain method
Yes, that’s right. In the end it really is personal preference and you’ll be following what the pattern says anyway, but I wanted to clear the air by providing the technical answers as well!
Thank you you answered and explain the 1/2 dc and 1st s for me
You’re welcome!
ME! Yes, this has been a mystery. I now have another dilemma. I'm crocheting a shrug. It goes from HERR dc to SC. The DC counts as a stitch in this pattern. When I switched to SC, I lost 2 stitches. Instead of 80, I have 78. How do you switch and keep your count! Thanks for this info.
So to do a ripple I can chain 2 turn and in same chain do a dbc and at then in last stich can I do 2dbc so it looks even on both sides
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Hiii. please answer this. Does treble crochet turning chain count as stitch
OK, this is great and helps a TON - however - when I'm ending a row, where do I male my final stitch into the chain: for hdc or dc? I've seen some say to stitch into the 2nd ch, etc. I have it down for sc, but after taking a break from practicing hdc and dc and learning amigurumi and working in the round, I've come back to them and cannot, for the life of me, get my edges straight. Someone, please help! 😅❤
@kaleyjanenigh There are two methods:
1) your turning chain counts as a stitch:
chain 2! for sc/chain also 2 for hdc/chain 3 for dc
-> skip the first stitch
-> final stitch goes into the top of the chain from the previous row (insert hook under whichever two threads is convenient for you)
2) your turning chain doesn't count as a stitch:
chain 1 for sc/chain 2 for hdc/chain 3 for dc
-> don't skip the first stitch
-> final stitch goes into the last V-shaped stitch
The author of the video uses method 2 for rows of sc and hdc, but method 1 for rows of dc.
It's entirely up to personal preference. I, for example, prefer to use method 1 for everything.
Method 1 tends to produce wavy edges with holes,
method 2 tends to produce small tips at the edges for rows of sc and zig-zag edges for rows of dc.
A note about the length of a turning chain: the shorter you make it, the straighter the edges will be, but also the less elastic. The numbers I give above result in comparable elasticity both at the center of your project and at the edges.
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For triple crochet do you chain 2 for straighter edges like you explain for dc or should it be 3?
It would be 3 if you’re not counting it as a stitch 😊
Thank you! Do you have a tutorial that shows us how to find the last stitch? I have been so confused with this one! Lol
Yes I do! It’s called Counting Crochet Stitches and Rows. It’s a longer video but it’s packed with really good information! I hope it helps. You can find it here: th-cam.com/video/ikZGcQEPQcg/w-d-xo.html
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So let’s say I make a chain but need to do a dc and I skip the first 4 to start that will act as my first one right.
Yes when you double crochet into the 4th chain from your hook, those 3 chains that you skipped count as a double crochet
Sigoni Macaroni thank you
@mailosgirl2 In theory it should have been exactly as you wrote - you skip 4 (3 act as a dc + 1 acts as that first stitch in a row that's being skipped = 4) and insert your hook in the 5th.
But in reality this creates an unbearable hole, so I suggest inserting the hook into the 4th.
Thank you for this video. It makes things very clear ...except I do have a question.
So if the pattern says the double crochet DOES count as a stitch does that mean when you begin to crochet that row you start counting at 2? (For example if the pattern says ch 3, turn and then crochet 20, do you really only crochet 19?). Arrgh!
Yes exactly. So you’ll double crochet into the next 19 stitches but that ch-3 at the beginning will count so you will technically have 20 total
Sigoni Macaroni I think I have been doing this wrong the entire time. I think it explains some of the problems I’ve had with some projects not coming out right. Thank you so much!
@@SigoniMacaroni I've been racking my brain on this for a few days, among many other crochet techniques and nuances, and today I came across your video, which was very helpful btw! I'm still stuck tho - What if the pattern says that the turning chain DOES count as a stitch, but you know in your heart that the final product is not going to have the straight, gap-less edges that you want? Let's say you disregard what the pattern says and you do NOT count the turning chain as a stitch? Could that potentially affect the number of stitches needed in your initial foundation chain? (Hope that makes sense?!)
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Thank you. I am not a beginner. But I have never conquered this. Omg it's the throb in my side. I stick to amigurumi where none of this matters. Beautiful work
But I often asked for all things hats scarves booties. They come out beautiful.
But I just fudge it.
I'm left handed. I understand everything being stated. What I just do not get. Is this process abs the count.
My trouble always comes in the round.
Pattern says. Ch st doesn't count but tells you first st is right in tbat base. St.
My round just keeps growing.
If it says the chain does count yet says with right into the first base. Always ending at join top of the chain. Chain 3. Then start right exactly where you joined
I guess what I would really like explained to
Me as I am a 1 grader
Where does the very next st IN THE ROUND ONLY GOES?
Working in tbe round I alway use magic ring. Wonder if the process to make that first magic ring. Is that a chain?
But truly I just desperately want to know. Give a arm to know
When working rounds and the chain stitch counts. You do join with a slp st. Where does the very first st go.
Whether it counts. Or not.
Where is the first stitch after that join. Thanks.
I completely understand why you’re confused. Turning chains are super confusing and when paired with crocheting in the round it gets more confusing unless someone explains it right so I’m going to try my best.
First, the magic ring does not count as a chain. The chain is referring to the turning chain or the beginning chain before you start making your stitches. When a pattern says that the chain counts as a stitch you’re basically just pretending that the chain is a stitch. So it has nothing to do with whether you place your first stitch in the base of the chain or not. It’s just talking about the chain itself and if it “acts” as a stitch.
It’s really hard to explain through text but I do have one of my lessons that is a part of my learn to crochet Masterclass that explains it. It’s lesson 10 part one and part two. I highly recommend watching both of those videos to gain an understanding of working in the round and I believe I also talk about the chain counting as a stitch. But if you are still confused let me know and I’ll try to create another video or something like that so I can help. th-cam.com/video/npUnNdRVyXE/w-d-xo.html
@@SigoniMacaroni I went over there and watched.
But guess what. It's unbelievable.
This started because I purchased another pattern fir a hat. Chain counts as a st.
Well the designer just got back to me.
And stated. There was an error in her pattern. And it was nit me. This is the 4 pattern I bought went crazy. Then was told. Oops. I did make a mistake by the designer. It happens. I get it now.
That's why I must be self assured about what I am doing.
She also looked at my pic.
Wait fir it.
Told me. CathyJo. I just looked at your pictures and realized yiu are joining in the chain. That is incorrect. You should be Joint in the next stitch.
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I just watched your wonderful Sergio video that said join in the chain. ?
And they wonder why we are so confused.
Lol. I'll get it one day.
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How do you turn if you chain from the start/very beginning?
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This helped soooo much! Thank you! I’ve been so confused sometimes when I see “Turing chain” on a pattern 😅
You and me both! This question used to drive me nuts 😆
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Oh. My. Stars! Thank you! I think I get it. I tried a little double crochet doll blanket for practice seeing and counting stitches. Having trouble doing a single crochet border. Holes at the chain 3’s.
For the double crochet do you chain in the first stitch or the next stitch??
@paulatate4513 She counts the turning chain as a stitch and skips the first stitch (and then the last stitch must go into the top of the chain from the previous row).
An alternative method is when a turning chain doesn't count as a stitch and the first dc goes into the first stitch (and then the last dc must go into the last V-shaped stitch).
Do these same rules apply when crocheting in the round?
Yes they do!
Me🙋 am now somewhere, thanks for the video
Can you add closed captioning for the deaf? I'd love to understand more of your videos :) thanks
Hi Sue! If you’re watching the videos on mobile, click the three dots in the top right corner, then “captions” and choose “English (auto generated)” and that should work for you!
ME! Thanks, Sigoni!
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cannot figure out where to put the stitch marker to avoid confusion???
So why can't you chain one and turn and do a dbc to void gaps
@krazymammaw3040 You can. But you'll end up with edges having lower elasticity than the middle of your project. While it may be useful in some projects (a wallhanging for example?), at most times it's preferable that the edges have similar elasticity as the rest of the work. Chain 3 works well for rows of dbc in that regard.
And how about the last,which is the first of the previous row? I am so stuck
Hi Mary, if you’re pretty new at crochet it may not make much sense to you. I have a 14 day Masterclass that you might want to check out and I think it will answer your questions! th-cam.com/play/PLmobLoMZ1riTNFsxCena7K93Zsls6F2CF.html
@@SigoniMacaroni not at all 🤣,I've made dresses for my girl and cardigans and velur toys and never worked with not counting the chain 2. And now I have a pattern and no matter what I do,it's the only one that doesn't give me the stitches at any row,I've tried every counting on this planet. Can the pattern be wrong in number???
My biggest problem is turning from the 1st chain to begin the actual project.
Me. I’m a beginner. But I still find it very confusing.
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ME. And I am still confused. It seems that there are as many ways and explanations as crocheteers
Yes, turning chains are confusing. I explained all of the technical terms and "rules" in this video, but all designers choose to do things differently. The more you crochet the more it will make sense
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I was hoping this would help, but it did not! I googled a question asking, "If the chain stitch (this for single crochet only) COUNTS AS YOUR FIRST STITCH, and the row count for that row is 240 stitches, how do you count the entire row? I was told by the designer to just just PHYSICALLY" only crochet 239 stitches!! I do not get it. You see, I am trying to do a crochet portrait, and it is imperative that the COLORS line up in the right places, and mine do not. I have been trying to do this for over a month!!!
Hi there! It sounds like this is something you should email the designer about. She may be able to give you more clarification. However, it sounds like if she’s saying the chain one counts as a single crochet then you will skip the very first stitch in the row and single crochet 239 times down. Then once you reach the end of the row your last sc will go into the chain 1 turning chain. Hopefully that makes sense, but if it doesn’t, I would reach out to the designer. Good luck!
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