The problems with giant SWORDS
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Super massive giant swords such as Cloud's Buster Sword form Final Fantasy 7 and Guts' Dragon Slayer sword from Berserk are awesome, but what would it be like to use these swords in real life if you only had super strength?
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Your physics are really good. Simple 1st and 3rd Newton's laws of motion.
When you push or pull on a sword that has the same mass as you, the sword pushes/pulls you equally and oppositely (Third Law). Now the frictional force between your feet and the ground gives you an edge over the sword because the sword has to work against that in moving you, but if the sword has sufficient mass then the frictional force should easily be overridden. I especially like how you bring up that scenario too, with super griping shoes and the potential there for injury.
Also when you put a sword or anything in motion it's equally hard to get it out of motion (First Law). Not a problem with light things such as historical/practical swords, but as you brought up with a massive Sword it creates a problem with accelerating it and decelerating it effectively. I feel like in this situation you would have to make sure you have enough time to decelerate the sword before your done with the arc that way you don't over swing. Kind of like when you run from one side of a small room to the other as quick as you can. You have to make sure you give yourself enough time to decelerate before you run out of distance and crash into the wall and that may include not being able to even get to top speed. So in the scenario with wielding a massive sword, if it's too massive, you may not even be able to accelerate it to full speed out of fear you will over swing.
Er... The word “physics” is a plural noun treated as singular... Meaning you can’t say “physics are” you must use “physics is”... as in “your physics IS good”.
The reason this is true even at "lesser" weights like 10kg is because of the G-forces imparted on the weapon during a swing.
If someone with super strength weighs 100kg, and they swing a blade which weighs 30kg, if they swing with enough force to impart 3.34 Gs of force on the blade, then there is now ~100kg of force pulling the wielder's mass in the direction of the blade - Around the same amount holding the wielder to the ground.
Once they start swinging any harder than that, it becomes a matter of the blade swinging them, because the blade is imparting more force on their body than gravity is. That's what causes those lurching forward and back-step motions during swings like he describes.
Rectus Rectumius, Thank you. You are right. I'm not much of a speller, or a writer. Really anything that has to do with Language Arts (Math and Science are Ultimate!) , I do try to get better at spelling though.
Physics kind of goes spiraling out the window with FF7 stuff such as Cloud's slabs of metal with a handle attached.
The basic first thing is that it's starting out as a world with gravity manipulation to start with (Gravity magic)...
Cloud and Sephiroth can also just tell gravity to go cry in a corner as both can actually fly when they want to do so, and do so while pretty much slicing and dicing buildings there.
On top of that you have things that, despite listed weights, the Soldier genetic mods are supposed to make them weigh several times that of a normal human, their abilities negate that by making them lighter due to mako and jenova cells...
We also have no clue as to what the hell those weapons are made out of. You aren't going to be slicing and dicing the terrain with a steel blade the way Cloud tends to without any effort...
Then you have the freaking ginsu lego set of the First Tsurugi.
Amusingly enough, Cloud's weapons as depicted are not the worst issue with things, Barret's arm weapons should have ripped it off his arm the first time he fired it much less what's depicted in several of the others.
With Guts, there is more of an issue. That universe makes him out to be, essentially, a normal human with a lot of strength and power...mainly because he's fighting things that aren't human with that weapon and only, really, goes superhuman with other things.
WHen people apply physics to fantasy worlds, they always assume that laws of physics in fantasy worlds work as they do in our universe but it might not be the case. Matter could be made of different particles that abide completely differrent laws of physics (all the equations and constants and variables could be different (basically all the maths)) meaning that anything author of fantasy comes up with could be actually possible in that universe (creatures could be "squishier" and lighter yet stronger and faster at the same time (in our interpretation)), while not being possible in ours.
Neighbors:
There goes Shad again , talking to himself and playing with swords.
he live in a ''Castle'' what would you expect?
Eduardo Nascimento
If you noticed it’s also a playground. I don’t play with swords and I have a castle styled playground for children that aren’t even mine... that sounds bad, children I watch... that sounds worse, my nephews and nieces.
Look at his brother, talking to himself while playing with paper swords that he drew.
@@eduardocarvalhonascimento1502 canons sticking out and a whole bunch of rauses
@@wschippr1 That's his house m8
The problem with giant swords is there's always someone making a gianter one.
@NolaN Bright Such is life
I dunno. I haven't seen any sword bigger than skyscraper size in any fantasy world I've ever seen. "Thousand Blades" Jack Rakan still holds the record for biggest sword.
Though being able to summon any number of bladed weapons out of thin air kind of circumvents the whole thing so maybe I'm bending the rules here.
wheres this from
@@naphackDT Mars from Black Clover? Also the Arrancar guy Isshin Kurosaki beat at around ep 100 smth.
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Dunno. Is it as big as a skyscraper?
“Mom the Old guy is playing with his SWORD outside again”
OLD?!?!
you tell mom that she is going to think some perv with his junk out.
@@viperdemonz-jenkins ......
@@viperdemonz-jenkins r/wooosh
Gambeson makes everyone look old.
They aren't actually swords...
They're sharpened battering rams
More like big hunks of iron
@fanis 920 Was... that a pun... that I wholeheartedly agree with?
@fanis 920 Who's Rem?
These huge swords have to be classified not as slashing weapons, but crushing weapons. The weight would be enough to bust armour.
@@romiarkan450 Not if the armor's made out of the same fantasy material as the sword, at best you'd put a dent in it so your 'battering ram' would also require an edge.
So you’re saying Spider-Man could wield an enormous sword.
Lmao sticky feet
Spiderman was the greatest Knight in all of Europe in the Medieval universe.
Horrifying. Especially with webs whipping it around.
@Kuriz Guy Not if he knew what he was doing. super strength would be enough in his instance because he would be whiping around if he used himself like a giant chain.
@Kuriz Guy he has the ability to stick to any surface. He mostly uses this to climb walls
One thing I appreciate about Berserk is that it doesn't take Dragonslayer's existence, or Guts' ability to use it, for granted. Both are repeatedly acknowledged as absurd anomalies by the narration & people in the world; Dragonslayer is called "a heap of raw iron" that can't even be called a sword, townsfolk gawk in disbelief whenever Guts arrives anywhere, and Dragonslayer's creator basically views it as a mockery of the very concept, function, & purpose of a sword, and considers forging it to be the greatest shame & mistake of his career.
It really would be more accurate to say that Dragonslayer is not really a sword at all, but rather a metal wedge that can cleave things in half thanks to its sheer ungodly weight.
I got a chuckle out of reading this
the way Guts fights with it tends to work with physics. He can be seen multiple times dragging the sword and seems to be using the kinetic energy and weight of the sword to his advantage when he moved (good balancing work), as for downward slashes he generally has a jump, run-up, or other kinetic ways to use the weight of his sword "smartly".
a similar situation happens in bleach
Even the sword guts uses is an outcast that's crazy
i may be misremembering but i believe an offhanded comment is made in berserk where they say guts exists in both the spiritual and physical worlds at the same time and in the spirit world belief in things can make them happen kind of like the orks in warhammer 40k. i just took that as an explanation as to why guts can use the dragonslayer. because he believes without a doubt he can.
Most people on Berserk in the story actually are normally shocked and question how Guts can carry such a giant sword even saying "Is this even a sword!?"
Even if the sword shoes 10 kilos he could carry just fine I e people are evolutionary
@@slowstiffy theres a guy in the middle making a life sized one on yt and the still uncompleted blade already weighs over 300 pounds, (136 kilos)
The first swords Guts used weren't too heavy. The fact that Guts always preferred overlong swords was due to his youth, because the mercenary leader Gambino never gave him a sword that corresponded to his childish size. Guts has become a relatively tall man, the kind of swords he grew up with as a child would be excellent weapons, but the fact that he still prefers longer swords as an adult proves that Guts appreciates the characteristics of oversized swords: the resistance, the destructive power and, above all, the sheer range. The last point in particular is very interesting upon closer inspection: since the beginning, the range of the weapon was always his greatest protection when you think of his first opponents defeated in combat, the end of Gambino, or the fight against a pack of wolves, all of these events have shaped Guts and that is why his fighting style is against strong opponents, even if you you hardly notice it, almost always aimed at range and power. The extra long blade was always pretty balanced in the beginning (Golden Age Arc) since Guts is a big strong warrior. But the blades that the blacksmith Godot made for Guts are just silly and unrealistic. With the Dragon Slayer, Berserk ultimately shot the bird completely. I mean, the manga tells an extremely good story that makes you think, but the Dragon Slayer as well as the "arm cannon" are nonsense.
Berserk is responsible for all of this lol
nah anime and theyre weird obsession with useless weapons and tech If japan had of used those big swords theyd all be speaking Chinese right now fucking weebos wrecking the wotlds understanding of science..
@@Eldritch-1 Berserk had an anime that pre-dates most of the others and the Manga is over 30 years old at this point.
Rip
At least berserk is much more believable than final fantasy.
@@HeneralVisCatholic that's why there's literally "fantasy" in the name, it's not meant to be understandable
If I had super strength and was tasked with killing a dragons, I would bring a bag of rocks.
Chuck em at mach 3 and no more dragon problem
@Quick Thinking then throw swords instead.
Man Without A Plan
Basically fantasy David vs. dragon Goliath
throw a 90kg stone
*FUS RO-*
Then before it even goes to the dragon the stone already became sand.
Gilgamesh & Archer Emiya be like: "You don't need super strength or super large feet if you just shoot the giant swords"
Rain Blue Eastman I was looking just for a comment of Fate, actually for the Nine Lives Sword of Berserker... But this one was good as well
@@cohrauschsantos6811 Thanks bro 😂👊
Rain Blue Eastman you're welcome 😂 and this is so true bro, Gilgamesh have a "pocket NP bazooka", he doesn't need to grab any sword - that's one of the reasons why the Deen adaptation of UBW in 2010 was shit 😂
@Arsene Waltz Every archer except Arash: We don't do that here. (cough zhuge liang cough)
Then just make them giant arrows
I like how they handle giant swords in Dark Souls, where they're SUPER unwieldy, and you've just gotta get used to the timing.
Rocca Flocca unless you upgrade strength enough to effectively wield the great swords/weapons
Obi-Wan Kenobi well, even then the swing is pretty damn slow
Or just spam R1 and use that poise ha ha ha.... ha ha...
RIP poise
@@montecrysto33 sad face
*GAEL’S GREATSWORD*
When the sword outweighs the wielder, its a question of whether it is a wielded weapon, or a sharp prop to do gymnastics around.
Think bloodhounds finesse ash of war in elden ring
*Black* gamberson in an Australlian summer. Man has a death wish.
I'm surprised that his voice was so clear even outside. How did he eleminate all the background noise?
That thing it is so bulky, it probably has hidden pouches filled with supercooled ice
(-50º C) and a complex tubing going around his body moving a non-water fluid through a pumping system powered by Lithium Ion Batteries.
He used a lapel mic, probably with a little windguard. Lapel mics, being close to the speaker's mouth, are pretty good at avoiding major background noise. Perhaps he also lives in a quiet suburb.
Argamis (SilverComet)
Wouldn’t that risk frostbite?
... and heatstroke at the same time, lol. EMTs would laugh their asses off.
He lives in Australia; everything in Australia will try to kill you, even you will try to kill you.
So that's why the fantasy armour is super-thick! They are adding the weight to the warrior to keep him on the ground! :D
Genius
Interesting.
That's... making a lot of sense, actually. As long as you have that super strength.
But you may also need super endurance, as to not pass out after 30 seconds of kombat
Emiliano Rios as long as you’re opponents are out in under 29 seconds, you still win
The problem with giant swords is that they're too damn cool. You dont even need to be able to pick the thing up and I'll still get my ass beat somehow.
"You need more than super strength"
Yeah. You need the cells of an alien in your body on top of being a monster, and the most important thing for carrying a giant heap of metal. Angst.
Unless those cells somehow made Cloud weigh as much a sedan and still be able to be nimble...yeah no.
Honestly, it would make way more sense if Barret were the one wielding Cloud's Buster Sword. He easily outweighs Cloud by a factor of 2. Super strength doesn't necessarily increase how much you weigh.
Cloud was never angst until Advent Children.
@@kingzach74 I'm no physicist or anything but, at least in comic books, characters who have super strength are denser than people who don't. Its like amora the enchantress is 6' tall with decent but not overly muscular figure. Despite that, she weighs 450lbs. I'm not disagreeing with the whole "sword outweighs the weilder" thing. I'm just saying that I think it makes sense that in order for people to have superhuman strength, their bodies are denser than normal.
And the ability to override the rules that govern the psysical universe conservation of energy and momentum are ignored
@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo Kingdom Hearts beat Advent Children by three years with their Emo Cloud.
How could you... *YOU* forget the sheer importance of the name of Guts' sword from Berserk? For it is bears a name that answers the greatest question of our age, or any age, for that matter: *The Dragonslayer.* Because, in the world of Berserk, they actually decided to ask themselves: *WHAT... ABOUT... D R A G O N S ? ! ! !*
Well played sir
So they built a sword thay only a super being can use and that solves the dragon problem how?
@@Eldritch-1 nonono, the blacksmith was tasked with making a sword that could kill a dragon and he made it just like how it was described. It's not a sword
Dude, even Berserk acknowledges that the Dragonslayer is ridiculous, here's the quote: "That thing was too big to be called a sword. Too big, too thick, too heavy, and too rough. It was more like a hunk/heap of (raw)iron."
The guy who forged it(in universe) got commissioned by a king to create a sword capable of killing a dragon. The Blacksmith had no real love for said king, so he made it unwieldy on purpose. He also viewed swords as glorified(and oversized) butcher knives used for killing people. So he made something that could butcher a dragon. Then he fled the country.
And yes, the blacksmith is asked if the sword could kill dragons. And the blacksmith explains that it's a meaningless slab of iron that people can't actually lift, meant to kill things that don't exist.
His name is Godo. The blacksmith that forged the dragon slayer in the berserk series.
Well obviously you can’t wield them without enough strength and dexterity
You can if you're bigly enough or maybe if you drank a lot of covfefe
16 fckin Strength
10 Dexterity...but don't tell anyone you levelled that up
@@blackbomber72 People complain about Dex builds... but they never seem to mind Int/Dex caster-scythe builds. Maybe because people like me who do it are arseholes
Gotta need that stomp for fat damage and 30str at least.
Dex build is better
Well, if somebody had the strength to use a such big sword effectivly, imagine how fast that somebody could swing a normal sword.
If you were strong enough you could use a pencil or a coffe cup or a pebble or anything just throw it like the commenter eralier said a handful of rocks in the pocket of someone who has super strenght is better than any make believe fantasy sword.
@stg true, also besides superstrength you might as well need to add super heavy weight and toughness to not lose footing, balance and damage your tendons in the process as you swing, according to ancient scrolls you can craft and tailor a sword the way you prefer as long basic center mass balance is taken, the weight of the sword shall not weight more than 1/10th of the maximum body weight of the user for safety and technique oriented reasons.
@@onceuponarevenant9409 interesting
@@Eldritch-1 That wouldn't do anything to someone who's equally as superhumanly durable as you are strong. Would be the equivalent of actually throwing those items at someone with normal strength
@@Eldritch-1 that kind of tactic really wouldn't work in something like berserk since most enemies are demons and apostles who are more superhuman than guts, and the sword godou(the person who forged dragon slayer) considered his best creation(guts tested it and it literally cut through othter swords) shattered on a low level apostle, dragon slayer works because its so big not to mention it actually kinda behaves how you'd expect a giant sword to behave like
Monster Hunter World seems to make the mechanics believable... you gotta throw your body around as much as the sword
Yeah and a lot of moves actually show you ustulizing the inertia instead of trying to fight it.
It helps that 70 to 80 percent of the armor you wear is dense as hell.
the hammer has a special move that uses the momentum of sliding down a hill to launch the hunter into a series of sumersaults.
switch axe up swing uses the axe's inertia to swing the axe high and lifts the hunter off the ground allowing them to hit flying monsters like rathalos out of the air and then follow up with a heavy downward slash.
And they hurt!!
@Hollow Shell well they are super humans and of course its not scientific it's fantasy after all but they do a better job than any other game
If this is about the weight ratio between the sword and the user, then I think you forgot about the incredibly heavy plot armour characters wear to balance out the giant swords.
Err, only the berserker armor would be heavy. The points made in the video would seem to apply to the black swordsmen Arc's armor.
Cloud wears a metal bracer and a single metal pauldron, plus he clearly weighs about 160lbs. Guts also (almost) effortlessly wields the Dragonslayer without armor on, on plenty of occasions, without his arms being ripped off. heavy armor would definitely help, but the ratio of gigantic swords to heavy platemail in fantasy settings is pretty low.
He said plot armor... As in the author's protection of the main character "armor" not the actual physical armor the characters wear.
There are a few people here confused about what "plot armor" is. What Perspective said.
@@RocketDragons On another point, with a large sword, you would need heavy armor. Really, at that point, almost slabs of metal, tapering out toward the edges. The real caveat of the design, though, is that it could make movement very cumbersome and it could possible hurt(by its weight) to have it on. The super strength would also need to be fullbody, to allow normal plated movements.
You with super strength: Swings the giant sword down with enormous force.
Physics: The sword falls at 9.81 m/s^2, you fly upwards.
A real sword about that size made of aluminum weighs about 75-80lbs if made from aluminum. That isn't going to fly you upwards etc.
What about physical law immunity? (In terms of fiction and not real life if someone were to do it)
Newton's 3rd law
Anime Protagonist: *has giant sword* "It's over dragon, I have the dragon slayer!" *takes out giant sword and takes a swing*
*Newton's laws kick in*
Anime protagonist: Wait wha...? *swings himself off the cliff*
Dragon: *Stares in confusion*
Dragon: "G-bye have a nice day!"
It's an anime, so actually the sword cleaved through reality and took him to a plane where the dragon never existed.
cringe
BYE LOSER
Gilgamesh and Emiya: Noob, just throw the sword.
When I was a teenager, this kid my age was threatening my little brother, so when I stepped in, he attacked me with a shovel (whatever your standard, every day dirt shovel is called). He took this huge horizontal swing at me, hands right at the back end of the handle, but he was really short, and very scrawny. I stepped backwards and just watched him spin around and stumble, dropping the shovel, before running away. Physics! XD
What he should have done is to swing a full revolution, and swing again. Repeat. Basically the same for all heavy weapons.
A fucking shovel srsly what kind of neighbourhood did you live in or was that kid just insane
r/thathappened
Top 10 bullshit stories. . great concept. Thanks.
That is psycho dangerous
0:03 Psstt.. hey kid, want some swords?
What about dragons?
WE CAN'T FORGET THE DRAGONS!!!!
DINOSAUR FOSSILS ARE COVER-UPS FOR THE EXISTENCE OF DRAGONS!!!!!!!!
Earth is Flet, and dis is da reasun why da Dinosaurs r Draguns! xDDDDDDDD
Oddly enough, until the word "dinosaur" was invented, the bones they dug up were actually called and categorized as Dragon Bones.
Actually, when playing a crisis core final fantasy vii game, you're informed that your SOLDIER armor is kind of too heavy. Maybe there's weighting all over it to prevent innertion problems)
Yesh, cloud is BUFF then
And this boys, is why in dark souls, when you miss a hit with a big weapon, you get staggered.
When his kids have friends over for the first time.
"Wow, you have a castle in the back yard?"
"Well, the slide is ours."
Tyrant-Den hey you kids! Get off my castle!
The science behind everything here is pretty much spot on but you forgot about one thing. To use a gigantic weapon made from a not-so-light material (e.g.: Steel) just having super strength and even having super mass would still not quite be enough.
While you might be able to swing and hold it without any troubles, your specific ground pressure would also dramatically increase. While this usually is not a problem on something stable like concrete or even more steel, you would just sink in on anything soft like mud. So to accompany the strength and mass, you would also need *super large feet.*
Ground pressure is nothing to be sneezed at, it is one of many reasons germanys gigantic tank fantasies failed. Even the semi-conservative PzKpfw V Tiger was too heavy for many terrains (not talking about bridges!).
The manual actually says that a crewman should pickup another one and stand on one leg. If he didn't sink in, the ground was stable enough for the tank.
Learning about how size and pressure worked together was an interesting experience since it allowed me to see even if I am MUCH heavier than my contemporaries, them in high heel is gonna produce way more pressure than me barefoot.
*shortened up this stupid thing to 24 words or less idiot*
So the pressure of a tank is 4 times that of a man? Sounds kinda wrong
@@guythat779 the area of a tank is much higher than the area of a foot so it might be true
@@Alex-kb2ws yeah but is that really the body crushing pressure you see in tanks normally? Idk chief
They’re pronounced “Ultra Greatswords”
Amazingswords. Spectacularswords. Stellarswords. Wonderfulswords.
What's crazy is how the moves he describes (such as when he says that if Cloud does a thrust, he'd fly forward) happen in-game. Focused Thrust causes Cloud to fly forward, and Cloud actually moves and jumps around a lot while wielding the Buster Sword to compensate for these issues. Similarly to FFXV, where Noctis literally uses his magic to crystallize his weapon into his hands while attacking with a greatsword just to swing the damn thing.
Clearly the kind of fighting style that works best with a giant sword ... acrobatic martial artist. If swinging the sword around throws /you/ around, then just make use of that forced movement and turn it into unarmed attacks or rapid repositioning. Use the counterbalance to aid in your mobility, and when the sword is out of position then throw a punch instead.
Wouldn't the Farron Greatsword be better for this?
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Randal Jeffrey Eeyup. I got a protag that at one point is clad in thick armor and using essentially the dragonslayer, also he basically can force push/pull the metal.
And later on actually hunts dragons (who'd've thunk it)
And thats exactly how he fights during that era of his life
Yeah, I've got a type of heavy infantry that use huge 50kg-ish greatswords and stupidly thick armour. They aren't supposed to fight properly with them, just smash through toughest areas of resistance so the regular infantry can get the job done.
Basically, it all depends on what you want to use them for.
Reminds me of Ike from Fire Emblem in Super Smash Bros Brawl and 4.
3 Standard attack, Punch, Kick then forward down Sword Cut.
Nate Lightfoot the Farron Greatsword is based on the Wolfknight Greatsword and was meant to be used the same way. The dagger for a parry is the only thing added in.
With the MAGIC of EDITING, you too can turn your dinky ol' "greatsword" into the TRULY STUPENDOUS
*LOTHRIC KNIGHT GREATSWORD*
Looks more like the moonlight great sword to me actually. That’s just my opinion though 😂
@@darrelleaster5381 irrelevant
The only character allowed to hold a giant sword is Kirby
He has the strength and the honor to wield any weapon he desires
Magolor boss fight flashbacks
@Taco Sunbirth Did... Uh, did you get the joke?
@Taco Sunbirth Despite looking like a harmless pink blob, Kirby can somehow do shit like punch a planet in half and casually go around slaying eldritch beings. So Kirby wielding giant swords isn't as far fetched as it seems
@Taco Sunbirth C'mon, is a pink ball wielding a fuck off massive sword not even remotely funny to you? And if it did fling him around like a ragdoll, so what? It would basically turn Kirby into an unstoppable speeding comet of destruction.
@Taco Sunbirth bruh the Lore is kirby is strong and the joke is kirby is strong that's it's
Shad started the video at 100kg and ended it at 95kg. Doing exercise in a black gambeson under a burning sun, must have been hell.
At night I can see that face emerge from the shadows, and I hear a faint whisper in my ear... "what about dragons?"
Pastry Eater Damn I would sleep so well that night
The only giant sword that I know of that makes sense are the ones in bleach, as a zanpactou is weightless to its owner and a soul reaper has basic manipulation of the forces that apply around them using spiritual pressure
Cloud: i have the biggest sword in fiction. Kirby: hold my beer
Also magolor
Anyone from K with thier swords of Babylon
I mean Kirby is 20cm tall so I don't think it's actually that big
Anyways, reject edgy swordsmen, embrace Pink ball
@@nintilla9973 you really need to play kirby games more
@@mfirdanhb I do, haven't played any kirby games since planet robobot, I just remembered reading it somewhere
*I demand a castle review of your garden.*
Well there's archer spots, possible *MATRICULATIONS!* and the ever important emergency slide All proper castles had them the only reason you don't see them is cause they rotted away.
After seeing his house front I love him even more lol. Dedication!
how often do you think he "tests" the castle's emergency slide?😂🤣
Yes, please!
No drawbridge! Also, looks like our host lives in southern California? Can't be Phoenix or Tucson, the trees look like Bakersfield?
In Soviet Russia: swords wield you!
Beat me to it by almost a year. Kudos, fellow Yakov fan. ;)
That beggining was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in my life. Thank you.
At 14:25, he's basically just describing how thor being able to fly with Mjolnir works...
Though in reality, that would rip his shoulder off its socket
@@mercenary3697 What do you think run through his veins?
you know its refreshing to see a nerd who knows what hes doing recording sword techniques in front of a camera.
_Gambeson_ + _Australian Summer Sun_ = *Sweat up a storm*
Shad confirmed weather wizard, powered by machicolations made with the purest pommels...
-But what about dragons?-
Maybe he's part dragon?
Not just any Gambeson either, but a *Black* Gambeson.
Everyone:
HOW DOES CLOUD TO USE THAT GIANT SWORD ?! :O
Nobody:
I don't care about anything cause there are a man with a gun in his arm, everyone can use magic, the monsters doesn't attack villages near them (and everyone is scared), the avalanche was spotted on tv so everyone must recognize Barret
BUT
Just focus on Cloud guys
About clouds sword : He can use the sword because of his training, the genova cells and the experiments with extreme mako exposure (to make it short) . At the end of Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core (a prequel to Final Fantasy 7), he isn't even able to lift the sword after zack gives it to him, he goes to midgard, dragging the sword with him.
@@champofash3975 Actually Cloud can't use it except with both his hand on battle, he also slower and weaker than Zack. He just suddenly can do it on AC which is only FS, on DoC he still use both hands. Well this Reamke... eh, remade is making Cloud seems cool so make him strong like Zack.... Even make it less tense because Sepiroth can killed if 2 person as strong as 1st class attack him together. Vincent case, he made seems hesitant because Sepiroth is Lucretia's son so he didn't count.
Haven't played FF7, still going through 6, but a quick Google search told me there isn't an official weight listed for him, considering Cloud can survive (haven't see it but played enough FF to guess it) tremendously powerful attacks from all kind of enemy, he probably has both super strength and super endurance, the thing with super endurance is that many superhero media doesn't really explain it (unless character in question is made out of a hard material like Colossus or the Thing) but you can see people with normal skin taking on bullets, so probably Cloud's magic (and anything else he may have in his body) makes him denser (and probably heavier) so he can take on the strikes, but these stuff are just passive skills that he probably doesn't notice, not sure, just guessing here XD
He seems to be enjoying himself so much with the swords it honestly made me happy
>Berserk
>Anime instead of manga
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Andrew Yost well the Manga came first and is still ongoing.
According to official sources the Dragonslayer is 400 pounds..... 400
Austin Bostrom and that is how you make a non magical sword in the stone
That thing is so damn heavy that swinging it upward could make you go flying. Guts best be careful otherwise he might become an accidental astronaut XD. Okay that’s blatant hyperbole, but how doesn’t he break every bone in his body whenever he swings that fucking thing, even if we assume his bones were somehow made of pure titanium, that “Thing” would bend them 45 degrees with ease assuming it didn’t take it with him.
Guts is basically a bodybuilder... but yeah I doubt it'd be physically possible to swing it. But he could probably pick it up and carry it :P
*181 kg
Well, assuming some of the hits he is enduring, he may have the proper durability.
I like that you showed the Greatsword from Monster Hunter World, I noticed that almost every single attack that the hunter does with the sword (for the most part) uses the weight of the sword to throw the hunter around and use momentum to get the attacks off.
Thanks for this episode!
As someone creating a character who forged himself a nearly (heavy but not nearly like the two you mentioned in this episode) too large sword, this really prevented me from creating a plot hole/plot armor.
I have come up with two back up reasons as to how my character can still use his sword, even with the center-of-gravity/balance. So thank you for explaining these things so I don't have to come up with a explanation out of the blue later!
All through this I'm just imagining someone looking out the window and going "There goes the neighbor playing with swords in his fort again"
The Australian outdoors/Outback- practically the closest thing to an IRL RPG. Spiders and other animals of all shapes and sizes, all around you, all trying to kill you. All you need now is an XP system, and you have everything you need!
You still need a cannon against those beasts you Australians refer to as spiders.
*Slowly appears from behind the wooden throne, with a very special smile on his face
Ahh, there's the sword loving man we all come to appreciate!
one word : lightweight
second word : material
'Or maybe just Michael is a hulking beast of a man'
Are you saying there's a chance he isn't?
2:45 Shad, Shad, Shad. I'm disappointed in you. That's not a proper gatehouse.The portcullis is not fictional, the crenels are not tall enough, you have no murder holes, no moat and drawbridge and no !!!MACHICOLATIOOOONS!!! And then there's wall thickness...
This really helped with my character design, thank you so much! I love your videos!
MichaelCthulhu is awesome, he is like that amazing master swordsmith in rpgs we need a quest to unlock.
So spiderman would be the ideal character to wield a giant sword since he's got super strength and can adhere to a surface...
That's actually a really good point.
He'd dislocate or break his arms, assuming he didn't have super endurance. Even if he had a proportional amount of endurance with his strength, it would still cancel out.
He does in fact. How would it cancel out?
Because having super strength to swing the sword super fast also means super momentum, so you'd have to have super endurance to even try and counteract that. So it'd be proportional to a regular guy swinging a giant sword normally and withstanding the forces of that swing.
Except he does have super endurance. The fact he can webswing through a city at 60mph alone shows that.
Who else wants to see a video of Shad just swinging around an oversized sword and flopping all over the place going "Eh!"?
Someone needs to get an over-sized sword and swing it around in Zero G.
Shad: *Mentions leg anchors*
Me: *Thinking of Link's Iron Boots* ... So, what you're saying is... Link is the most likely to be CAPABLE of wielding a fantasy great sword... Wow, no wonder he can beat Cloud. He went to Shadiversity!
-uo Also, yay for TH-cam never showing me this until the end of a decade.
And Spider-Man
Do you remember that one sword in legend of zelda? Specifically the huge one.
D4rk St34mpunk3r The Biggoron Sword
If only we could abuse hammerspace like Link
and not have to lug around Iron Boots until we put them on
Most inefecient set up for an inefficent weapon lol real weapons are cheaper and actually useful.
Me: a character in my book has two giant swords
Physics: no
Me: it is fantasy
Physics: well i guess i am irrelevant here then.
XD
In fact, if is fantasy you must explain how that can happen in your fantasy world:
Superstrength?
Very light materials?
....
@@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 yeah, the race of the character (which is my own design) has super strength... basically.
@@themontageofscafell5512 Yes but remember: F=ma and if you use a force in an object that object will exert the same force on you.
If your character has a mass of 80kg and uses a force with the sword like 2000N the acceleration backwards will be 25m/s^2.
You can use this like Artorias, to get impulse and strike falling from the air.
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F=ma or any real life physics just doesnt apply to fiction. it is after all a fictional world.
you have chractares traveling faster than light as well, despite the fact that it is impossible as far as we know.
Conclusion: all anime sword wielders are like Superman and extend an inertial dampening field around anything they touch.
Or they really dig into the ground under them
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Nah I think it's just another case of fiction being fiction and not worrying about real life physics to show how powerful a character is.
Or just have a magic enchantment to where it makes the sword light
@@guythat779 Gotta hold on *real tight* with your feet.
@@velocityhdmi8140 If the sword is light, the whole purpose of a big sword is ruined. A lighter sword would have way less power behind it compared to a heavier one. It'd be like swinging around hard styrofoam.
never realised just how big the chair was that you could comfortably hide behind it
Hey Shad, really like this video, it was actually highly educational on why these types of swords wouldn't work. Especially Guts' Dragon Buster, which was basically just iron.
great video. I have to say you did actually bring up alot of insight into actual sword play and physics.
The problems with em?
They're too big
Too bulky
Don't do what swords are supposed to do
Can't carry em
The pros?
They're fucking awesome, and they make the characters wielding them awesome
Verdict: *They're totally worth it*
Exactly! It's the "Rule of Cool"
fully agree; they are really awesome; and are even better when the're on fire, but then most things are better on fire
Pros: nothing
Just use a spear if you want to be a cool, practical dude
The Best comment prize goes tooooooo -> Deus immortalis
cloud hits like 20 times in 5 seconds by this huge sword.
Maybe his sword is made of aluminum?
@@wolfpackflt670 aluminum thats sharp??
@@mrkrakengod3235 yeah....you can sharpen aluminum just as good as steel
@@mrkrakengod3235 It just doesn't hold an edge as well. Plus edge deformation would be a serious issue.
yea but the thing with cloud is he isnt just stronge he has cells for an alien and not just super strengh,
That entrance from behind the chair fucking killed me
Just subscribed, love your videos and enthusiasm!
Better than game theory.
Aren't most things?
Bane Underwood Game Theory is an incompetent joke and a mockery of the scientific method
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Wow, better than the culmination of aspergers. Pat yourself on the back.
Theroux "The culmination of aspergers" is that a joke about Asperger's Syndrome?
If so, you should know that it is offensive to use a genuine neurodevelopmental disorder (that in no way impairs intellect) as a derogatory word for stupid, even as a joke on the internet. I say this as someone with high-functioning autism, so I've seen it a lot.
Watching Shad go "ENGH!" as he falls over just makes my day.
At 2:01, the swords in the background are from Monster Hunter, and the handling of greatswords in it is surprisingly somewhat realistic compared to giant swords in many other games and media. They're extremely slow, have a lot of momentum, the attack animations do throw your character around, and the main method of attack with is indeed a huge overhead downward swing.
Chad, I want to present an argument that Cloud's Buster sword could be used in real life. The thing that the previous sword makers and yourself assume is that the sword itself is uniformly solid. I go under the assumption that thr buster sword is made to be a chopper. Thick at the spine but gets thinner to the blade. The internal design of the blade can be like the roman aqueduct connecting the spine to the blade with thin plates covering the internal structure. By creating space within the blade it can be lighter. I want to say such ablade would be between 5 to 7 kg. This is assuming the blade and the spine are 2kg each. If we could use aluminum arches i think it would work.
Chad: Is in no immediate danger - wears gambeson in the australian sun.
Fantasy hero: Is in the thick of battle - wears leather.
Gandalf the gay you forget the other armour they wear plot armour
Brayden Aitkenhead there could have been a discussion here but you ruined it quickly.
But what if a sudden dragon attacks? There are no large castles nearby to run to, he needs at least some protection.
The Virgin Fantasy Hero
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The Chadiversity
Fueled-by-Nightcore drop bears are much more common and medieval equipment isn't really designed to fight them well except for the axe
you went outside in march? are you insane?
Great video, Shad! Quick question, though: What if Cloud's Buster sword or Guts' Dragon Slayer were made mostly of carbon fiber with steel edges where the blades are? Would they still be able to function to the same degree?
A concept for a series based on this I think would be cool: the mc has a super heavy sword but needs a weighted vest or something to balance the weight, and also has a normal sword and has to decide in battles between power with the bigger sword, or speed with a normal sword
00:02 Oh god he's finally lost it
Your kids are blessed to have a cool dad like yourself. I love the castle playset outside.
Your videos are very interesting and educational. Thank you for the good work.
There's also things like gravity manipulation that can make the swords lighter or even heavier, and some of the various modes of flight (like the ki manipulation in Dragon Ball) that seem to be able to let the flier anchor or move themselves with basically their own willpower that could offset the heavy blades. Also, using a massive sword's weight to fling yourself around like Yoda could be a thing with proper levels of dexterity and strength (although with that getting the sword moving and stopping it could also be a problem).
I just noticed your kids castle does not have MACHICULATIONS!!!!!!!
I'm afraid of waking up at night and wanting to get a glass of water in the kitchen and finding Chad doing that face.
Luis Peralta shad lol
Creepily appearing from behind your refrigerator... brrrrrrrrr
By the way, before someone says it's Shad, not Chad: Chad is Shad's evil/douchebag twin brother
Who's Chad? and I'd be pretty disturbed too since I don't know any Chads.
I feel like the way you described combat with a giant sword is very similar to how cloud is seen in most media. He kinda uses his swords momentum to fling himself around here or there. Like when he essentially threw himself forward in a thrust to wound sephiroth during the nibelhiem incident. Perhaps cloud is just used to using his sword like this.
11:20 Easy fix: get some Iron Boots from the Legend of Zelda
Edit: Shad mentions super heavy shoes at 14:50
After watching this, it seems like Exalted actually had the best way around it - daiklaves and other weapons forged from the five magical materials change their weight, density, etc, but only in regards to the attuned wielder. So to a Dawn Caste Solar swinging around a surfboard-sized great daiklave, to him it feels very light and it doesn’t throw his balance off. But to everyone on the *business* end of it, that thing still weighs maybe 200 kilos or so (orichalcum is pretty-damn dense). Also means he has to carry it around with him constantly because if he puts it on a wagon, that wagon’s just gonna snap in two.
your porch wall needs... what's that word? **** MACHICOLATIONS ***
The only massive sword in Final Fantasy that made sense was Auron's from X. The sword was never as absurdly cumbersome, although the many variations in design were interesting, and Auron's stance always has it over the shoulder, keeping the center of weight on him. But moreso than that, it was wielded by an absolute legend. The dude was the biggest Chad of the entire FFverse, death couldn't take him, he rode a Kaiju, chugged alcohol from a jug, produced tornadoes with his spins, cleaved the fabric of reality with his downward swings and refused the hand of some skank they tried to force on him.
When he talks about giant swords snapping in half all I could think of was the Giant's knife breaking after using it like three times in Ocarina of time.
14:31 that is the best demonstration I've seen of (supposedly) how Thor flies.
"The *anime* Beserk"
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McGoldenblade the original 1997 anime for berserk is a classic and does right by the manga. Any other anime I agree with you but that one is good!
McGoldenblade Put your grasses on, Mr. GoldenBlade.
Dustin Fritz Farr both animes are equally bad to be honest.
@Griever Sorry, but you're very wrong.
1.The new anime, at least in the first season, needlessly changed various details & skipped two entire story arcs (three if you count The Golden Age). I say "the first season" because that's all I could bear to watch; the quality was astoundingly bad.
2. As for the manga being "directionless", I can only assume you didn't really pay attention as you read it if that's the impression you got (that wouldn't be surprising, given how you didn't even refer to Kentaro Miura by his name). The plot moves forward much more slowly after the eclipse, but the events are tied together by consistent threads & a logical sequence of events.
3. You can't really claim that this tonal shift is a bad thing when The Golden Age was a tonal shift itself. It took the series from dark fantasy to low fantasy in order to tell a different kind of story with different possibilities, and the shift to high fantasy does the same. I love the tonal shifts; they keep things fresh & add variety.
4. "Leader of a child gang" is a massive mis-representation of Guts & his group. Most members of the group are adults, and the whole point of the group's presence in the story is to provide Guts with new friends & companions to help Guts' post-eclipse emotional wounds heal; it's all about his growth as a character.
"The problems with giant swords".
Me with my falling guillotine on destiny: •_•
Wow, that was one heck of a Claymore your friend made gotta check that out.
The real questioin is How long can Shad survive outside in that black gambison?
This is why I always write super strength is because of hyper dense muscles. In my mind, a person with super strength would weigh, low end, around 500 to 600 pounds. And the stronger they were the more they would have to weigh.
Halo's Spartans, at least in the novel, actually do make note of this where the Spartans strength from their augmentations and titanium skeletal structure and MJOLNIR armor are noted for their weight.
Archive 405 if I remember right chief weighed like a ton in armour.
So how do you explain why their skeleton isn't crushed under the weight of their super dense muscles.
The Question if they were born with the super strength, their skeleton likely adapts to the stress as they grow older. if it's a sudden mutation or conveniently "unlocked" in their adult life though...
The Question
Increased bone density.
I think the most important point is that if you have the super strength needed to swing a sword weighing dozens of kilos like it's a regular greatsword, you still might as well use a more reasonably proportioned greatsword, because with that strength you could swing it around like it's a little dagger, and that would be much more effective unless you need to cut through a tank or something.
Very nice video and clear explanation! And for mentioning two of my favorite swords =)