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Colossus back, Engage and Harp at 3. TOSS format is at full power now.
Toss?
@@papij1359 Thunder, Orcust, Salad, Striker
@@papij1359back in 2019 I think it one one of the most fun format four decks were thunder dragon, orcurst, sky striker and salamagreat
Electrumite crying in the corner...
@zeroforcequna9486 plus one giga Chad who won a YCS with Prank kids shout ding-ka
we all losing to nib with this one
Nib is about to destroy every deck that needs alot of special summoning. Smh.
im maindecking 3 evenly in every deck too fuggit
sprights are back
hero players: oh no what a nightmare...
thats a good thing it was made to do that and it should do that barron is the soul reason nearly every combo deck now play around nib that its sometimes worse than an avg handtrap against them when it was made to beat them @@zekiel2533
Issue is that both colossus and protos are pretty generic since Cupid pitch can get nemeses corridor who turns into colossus, and infernal flame banshee searches nemeses flag who can search protos
Flag can also search nemesis corridor
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if you want to add 2/3 cards to your ed and have dead draws to end on a soon to be unprotected by s/t negate colossus, be my guest.
@@thefinalskarm1754except that they arent exactly hard bricks, you can still use them the same way if you hard draw em
@@bidoof5922 do remeber you need to have banished cards in order to use the nemesis cards if you want colossus that's 2 you need.
TODAY, I LEARNED THE BANLIST DROPPED
Today, I learned that people learned today
Today, I learned people learned about learning
I learned that today is something that I learned today
Today, I learned about banlist runick
today i learned about orcust thunder dragon runick
konami when they make generic synchro monsters and suddenly people start playing them in non synchro decks: did we do an opsy?
Konami does not handle the TCG lists directly. Their branch offices do which are extremely detached from the main branches presumably
Is more like Konami finally make the generic synchro cheap: "ok, let's banned now".
I'm absolutely sure they over-tune the generic synchros because even konami can acknowledge that synchros are VERY bad simply because you need an special type of card to summon them.
Thats not the issue the issue is other decks can still compwte using these cards so they banned them. This game is now oficcially pay to win and also trash gameplay is incoming
the game been pay to play what are you on 💀@@n4b5ter41
Electrumite: "Let me out, LET ME OUT"
I just wanna take a moment to say that any 2 level 4's searches Protos (Infernal Flame Banshee into Nemeses Flag). Probably not gonna do much outside of swoswo, just like Cupid Pitch into Corridor into Collossus in MD, but since combo decks lost Baronne and Savage maybe they'll now do this...
also Wakaushi is a one card synchro 5 or rank 4, only one banished card and boom you can either go Protos or Collossus basically💀
conclusion: I think this is S C A R Y
you forget how desperate people get. Ogdoadic already banish, can make rank 4's and spit out Lars so topping it off with a protos OR Eschatos kills a lot of decks.
with Baronne and Savage lost I wouldnt be surprised to see pure snake eyes decks abuse the Evol engine to get lars as the double omni negate. I talked about it with a friend before and they agreed it was crazy but the other 2 were much better since it protects turn 1 combos instead of being interruptions on the opponents turn.
Honest question, how does it play under nib? Can it play over evenly?
Corridor can also be played in Swordsoul.
Corridor is also a Nemesis card, so the generic xyz to search flag can either be colossus or protos
Or, you know, just play Bonfire
Interesting direction with baronne and savage getting banned, after RC reprint too. Soon appolousa and IP too after reprint in RC lol.
Speedroid Terrortop into Taketomborg or however you spell it = Gossip Shadow which is the new Nib protection
Also Fiendsmith engine into High King Caesar or Nightmare Throne into Phantom of Yubel in the future.
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It is nice you have to dedicate an entire engine into your deck to do that now.
@@colinbrown74 Terrortop is 4 cards main 1 extra and has extra versatility.
copium alert
They just made having Crossout in hand 100x better it’s the only out to nib now because you can hold ur imperm for apo when you use nib eff
Baronne does highlight the problem with how cards are printed in the TCG, for many baronne is finally cheap and it gets banned. Especially cards that are this good and destined to be hit should be affordable from the beginning.
No direct fire hit is pretty crazy to me, and maybe it also mean since appo isnt on here due to rarity, it means colossus and protos in rarity.
How about cards just being affordable in general, so that this issue doesn't even have to come up?
@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. that would be the ideal scenario.
Linkuriboh is a very good hit. Snake-Eye is now far more vulnerable to HTs and board breakers.
@@strangevol5264 Sarcasam? It is the savage and baronne ban that make them more vulnerable to board breakers. As far as I know, linkuriboh just helped them dodge imperm and veiler during. Nib and everything else still does the same
Baronne was a ban worthy card ages ago. It being made affordable now doesn’t make that any less true. I’d also argue that the Maze of Memories reprint did a lot more than people want to admit. On release it dropped Baronne down to a $50 card and it settled at $40 before rarity collection came out. The card’s price got cut in half off that reprint. Even if you don’t think that’s enough, people have had around 6 months with their $3 Baronne. The card had already way overstayed its welcome. The only thing I think this list missed was Prosperity seeing as that’s the best modern draw spell by a country mile and arguably one of the strongest draw spells ever.
They also didn’t need to directly hit the fire stuff when they just gutted their end board. The game plan is now IP into Apollousa or SP and hope that’s good enough. Pure SE is completely dead and Fire King SE can’t use Linkuriboh to dodge hand traps anymore. You’re now more reliant on the Fire King stuff, and the grind game you get with Kirin and Garunix likely isn’t enough to compensate. They also hard lose to Nib now. You don’t need to hit the SE cards directly if you take away the things they make
The age of ancient gear is coming and without as many negates nothing will be left to stop us
Nah, I feel like Tenpai is the better OTK option, despite the really good Chaos Golem
@@strangevol5264 you probably haven't seen it yet but ancient gear is getting a crap ton more support here soon
Let's go, my favourite bad archetype might be playable 🔥🔥
I think Baronne and Savage together being gone and essentially assassinating all possibilities of a deck having an omni-negate to back up the rest of their stuff is giant. This lowkey kind of kneecaps an entire PILLAR of the modern game. If you look at the past year or two or even three of the game, you could divide decks into one of three decks:
- Turbo Baronne Piles AKA decks that create a wall of negates if they go first that requires you dedicate blow out cards into your main and side deck to stop them
- Backrow/Spell & Trap Control Piles AKA decks that require you play backrow removal in your side deck at least
- The Midrange Grind AKA decks that use tons of card advantage and resilience in exchange for lower OTK potential and/or going first raw strength to rebound easily from interaction
With this, that first pillar is absolute punched right in the stomach. Not only does a Nibiru probably become a major threat nearly ALL the time to them, but this also means a ton of Spell board breakers now might just do the trick. Legit, you might could justify running Dark Hole now, although more likely in modern Yugioh we are more talking Triple Tactics Talents, Change of Heart, and Lightning Storm.
And a notable part is also that, mostly, those end boards are going to be smaller. A massive strength of Baronne and Savage is they were 3000 ATK negates, meaning absolutely no Normal Summon or similar at the start of your turn, ignoring extreme crap, could walk over them. The opponent ends on an Apo, Herald, or similarly sized monster? Let me show you my friend I like to call “Special Summon Fenrir/Pank”.
This is a massive change for the game in terms of the kinds of cards you are required to run. While every deck can safely run Nibiru now to fight combo piles, you also don’t necessarily NEED Nibiru against some of them anymore. A good Dark Hole or Triple Tactics Talents might just do the same thing if not better.
Problem is Savage Dragon and Baroone are too easy to bring out for almost no resources. A easy lvl 10 monster with both a negate and a destroy effect. Cards like all the lvl 12 dragon synchro monsters in Stardust decks atleast req you to build them up to get them on the board. Baroone is just summon a lvl 7 monster and use Ash to summon into her. Savage Dragon having multiple negates on him depending on the link monster used is also too good to have.
Banning generic monsters is the way to go to make YGH more balanced.
App gets kneecapped by Ghost Ogre, which Konami wants to make everyone play.
Baronne and Savage don't need a ban, just an errata to require Fleur Synchron and a Rokket tuner, respectively. They pointlessly errata Goyo Guardian back in the day in a similar way. They are only broken because most decks can make them.
Nah, the problem is non synchro Decks had synchro capabilities
They banned goyo guardian for a long time before they gave him an errata. Also what cards have gotten erratas before they got banned first?
De-errata Goyo already but making Savage use a Rokket is about as useful as making Chaos Ruler need a Rokket, Pachinkomoney is currently on the warpath against Dragon Link so if only Dragon Link used Chaos Ruler and Savage, they'd still probably be beaned.
@wolfwoodstyleblue3946 That was by design, Pachinkomoney has been pushing omnisummon Decks that use a little of every Summon type since Arc-V.
The main issue I had with the format was not that it was tier zero, but that you had to be able to run 18 hand traps or your deck wasn't viable. The gameplay wasn't fun and it enabled a bunch of degenerate decks like Kashtira + 21 hand traps and (soon) Tenpai with 24 handtraps as well as stun. If We can get out of that kind of format, a lot of those decks will fall to the wayside and the format will be more engaging and allow more creativity. Snake Eye is a strrong deck, and FKing snake eye barely lost anything, but that doesn't mean deckbuilding for the format is completely unchanged.
You are completely right, and the thing that allows for this type of deck building is the card design Konami has been creating for these new archetypes, making them UBER consistent with upwards of 12 1 card starters, That allows for so much space for non engine that these decks can easily fit in more than 15 handtraps. Without hitting the engine, these decks will still play these huge handtrap numbers since they dont need to play more engine cards when they have so many 1 card starters, so much consistency. It really is bad archetypal design from Konami, as it always is.
@@typhoono3393 Especially since it means that those decks can play through 2 or even 3 hand traps and still full combo you. So decks almost need to play that many hand traps, plus a board breaker or two. Or pray they go first.
@@typhoono3393funny that people always asking konami for making their deck became consistent however they choose to do those treatment in newer deck (rather than bad one)
The biggest argument against hand traps is that they are boring. They are "interactive" in literally the worst way possible.
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Your perspective on the latest ban list is definitely the most interesting and in a more focused perspective on each hit.
The Forbidden Hits are definitely big and Summon Limit was way too excessive to be in the format.
I like the perspective you gave on the concept of being Trade-Offs when seeing what was limited. I also agree that seeing Anti-Spell getting hit alongside Summon Limit is a good trade off for stuff like Protos and Colossus.
Good reasoning for the Chicken Game limit too. I also think it’s in a good spot being only at 1 copy for the reasons Josh explained.
Semi-limits are okay and the unlimited cards are exciting. Malicious was fine at 2, but we will see how 3 copies will do.
I like seeing Engage being at full power and I’m excited to see how the Sky Striker Engine/Decks will do for more exciting interactions.
Harp horror and Terrortop are good to see unlimited too.
Good list overall. Maybe they could’ve hit Wanted to 1 and Snake-Eyes Ash to 2, but good hits.
Honestly I rather see snake eyes ash to 1 would actually bring the deck down and won't hit diabelstar which can be splashed in other decks like the adventure was.
Hitting ash would reduce their grindgame make them vulnerable and won't kill their consistency.
Talents just became the best generic card in the game
Yeah lol
Lucky I bought them at $4 aud
This is a great banlist in the alternate universe where Synchro decks have been getting powerful, useful boss monsters for the past 4 years, but in this universe it just means every Synchro deck from the past four years and beyond are going to have to watch as Konami drags their fucking feet trying to make decent archetypal boss monsters for the next several years.
Once the high of the Baronne ban wears off on this community I hope people are clear-eyed enough to understand how bad this could be for the years going forward. The OCG hasn't banned these cards, and unless they do, Synchro strategies are about to become stone-brick useless because the people in charge of making the cards will continue to assume Baronne and Borreload are things you can make when designing.
Yeah, it makes Snake Eye's board less frustrating, which is pretty objectively a good thing. Now let's see if they can actually design a fucking card game in the years to come.
What are you talking about? Plenty of interesting synchros have been created in the past 4 years. You just don't know about them because baronne made them irrelevant. Not anymore.
@@sulfenir2477Interesting doesn't mean playable, dummy.
I love barrone but objectively this is a good hit. Easily accessible generic omni negate will always be an issue and as much as I love synchro strats, combo decks need to be more vulnerable to niburu and not just easily make a negate before their 5th summon.
I understand your point and do agree with it since the OCG doesn't have these banned, but getting rid of the generic omnis is definitely a good thing even if synchro strats do end up getting worse for it.
Yeah, I'm not counting on Konami to design the cards well enough
These hits could be good if we were talking about other company lol
@@sulfenir2477 THANK YOU.
I was extremely happy with the list because the banning of cards like BSD and Barone indicates a very nice direction for the game. They’re basically 2/3 poster children for unbreakable boards, and banning them means that Konami are trying to move away from that style of play, at least in the TCG.
that's what i hope
I like where this is going
there's a million checks for omnis. there are none for shifter and very little for santifier
Definitely the right move. Boss monsters with negates should be saved for less generic cards, or need to be harder to go into. Or both. They can always keep hitting the shiny new deck, and sure the top decks are always gonna get hit at some point, but they needed to hit these generic Omni Negates EVENTUALLY. Yes the hits hurt weaker decks, but these cards make the top decks very degenerate.
It was time to rip the bandaid off even if it hurts weaker decks more. Time to start printing better and less generic archetypal Synchro's so the random best deck in 3 years can't use it while the deck it's meant for gets to reap the rewards. This isn't to say generic ED monsters don't have a place. I think they do, but not Omni Negates. Also not to say archetypal ED boss monsters haven't been an issue in the past, they have, but they're more restrained and not used in every deck under the sun.
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Colossus being splashed everywhere because of corridor is gonna be painful
That hasnt been the case in the ocg for 5 years
And MD for 2
Its just not gonna happen.
@@wrathvarean2549you really underestimate the degeneracy of TCG players.
@@wrathvarean2549 Different meta, there's a lot of really crazy cards in the OCG that aren't banned and don't see play simply because people don't want to play them, or the decks they're best in have fallen out of favor. As soon as there's a meta deck that can easily incorporate Corridor, Colossus will be a staple in that deck. Also Agents seeming like a good rogue deck now, with it being able to play Colossus and Ib who both got unbanned.
Well, you’d need to run Cupid Pitch to get access, and what would you even make with it, and how? Auroradon is banned, so is Halq, and Savage… not good.
They will hit Apollousa after they cash in Rarity collection 2 !
Just look at Baronne and Savage dragon !
Removing the generic omni-negates and all the going 1st floodgate traps is the best thing they've ever done for going 2nd in yugioh.
This list is big big W
Until they decided to bring back Colossus…
@Valeongar1 have your board breakers in tow or don't play a deck that loses to it
@@Valeongar1 colossus dont do shit, even in md its still lose to imperm and a lot board breaker
Banning generic extra deck negate is good. The thing shouldn't exists in the first place so getting them banned make me happy. On the other hand, banning baronne after it became affordable from rarity collection is like fucking with people who can afford it recently at low price. Feel like a d move. I might be imagine things but if they release another generic negate I'm gonna fuming even more than before this drop fr
@@thisisiampie6946 having the board breakers in tow means staring down at Colossus for 15 minutes and waiting to „just draw the out“, since you shouldn’t forget that you also can’t thrust search the out…
26:06 considering that it's implied the OCG says "yay nay" to the lists we make (Grass and Mine have been mentioned to be asked to be banned but then OCG said *no*).
Then they approved this.
Now Yubel is the only meta deck that I can think off that have access to generic omni negate (the new rank 10 Wyrm)
Tear with rulk and grapha
Adventure might make a resurgence lol
Which makes sense since it feels like it was designed with Yubel in mind
@@jjjenkins6586Rulkalos only negates effects or cards that special a monster. Grapha can ony negate normal traps and spells
Voiceless
Let's... GOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Baronne and Savage OUT! Next stop... Apolloussa!!!
and IP
After RC reprint surely.
@@Lich_V. IP is fine though.
@@Lich_V.WHY IP NO after apolloussa gets banned IP won’t link into anything insane
@@Lich_V.IP is fine. Especially without Apo
For me personally the hits on Savage and Baronne are more than just correct.
Over the last couple formats it started to feel like that those two alongside Apo and Access are "untouchable" mainstay staples for the ED. Now with two of them gone - I have hope that those other two can also be hit if a format will make them dominant enough again.
Both are in rarity collection 2. Id expect them both to be banned by end of 2024.
Access at least has substitutes. You can run borrelsword and its fine
App is Pachinkomoney's way of forcing everyone to run Ghost Ogre and kill Spells.
with baronne and savage ban I wonder if pure snake-eyes players are going to run the Evol package to get access to Lars that's a double omni negate for face up cards on the field that can't be targeted while it has materials. kind of like how that one Ogdoadic deck did recently.
protos being unbanned is scary since any deck that banishes and can make rank 4 can search it. Infernal Flam Banshee can search Nemeses Flag which searches protos.
Volcanic FTK time 😂
You can make SP with Banshee + a body so you get a banish, Flag gets to be summoned, SP + Flag into Reprodocus, Protos summoned on its arrow (banish Banshee + SP + any non-Fire/Dark monster) to lock any Attribute on demand.
@@babrad you summon protos or echatos before linking off flag to get the banshee back for the free body
@@Gilgamesh-em6ru it depends if you can afford the body. If SP (DARK) is required it makes no difference. For example a Normal Summoned handtrap into Almiraz then activating Parallel Exceed as a pseudo-1.5 card combo. You have SP (DARK), Parallel (WIND) + any fire.
@@Gilgamesh-em6ru If said handtrap is Veiler or Belle then for sure.
It's nice to see a thumbnail with very happy Josh for once :D
True. After all those serious/distressed thumbnail he has, he is finally happy
Honestly, I always thought Linkuriboh was adorable and I had a soft spot for it. When I came back to YGO temporarily shortly after links were released I tried playing Frognarchs (my old favorite deck) and after a cursory glance through generic link monsters that popped out to me because I thought "SS Treeborn, tribute for Linkuriboh, SS Treeborn again." Then I can tribute 2 monsters for a tribute summon every turn without even relying on Soul Exchange, E. Con, or other frogs. Of course, it didn't take long to realize my old favorite deck is obsolete, but it was fun to play around with. In retrospect, Linkuriboh kinda does a lot huh, I never realized how good it was until Snake-Eyes...
How to hit Snake-Eyes without hitting Snake Eyes.
They want that money from the new Diabellstar/Diabellze support.
It does enough. Linkuriboh assisted them a bit too much, and nigh everything they do is generally fine.
I mean it weakens the final end board of the pure snake eyes version and also makes it that Nib and handtraps in general are more effective so it will be interesting how decks develop now
@@sammydray5919 it doesn't do anything against snake-eyes in terms of nib protection, they did not make early omni to play through nibiru they had an in archetype line for it. Also handtrap vulnerability is only worth something on the grind game because they already use handtraps on ash so you don't really get to dodge much on your first plays
@@beegyoshi1685 Just because the deck has lines that can play through nib doesn't mean that it wants to do that. The post nib board is MUCH weaker than their regular board so snake eyes absolutely want to go into a negate before it can come down depending on the hand. Its why the savage line was pretty popular to go into of the hand allowed so. This makes sure that outside of Appo, they have no way to prevent Nib. And handtrap vulnerability is absolutely a factor in the deck's playability because snake eyes has ways to play through and establish its board through multiple hand traps. The omnis and link kuriboh definitely helped with that on top of Link kuriboh protecting appo from battle or just using it to dodge stuff like imperm or veiler.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PUT APOLLOUSA TO 4 LESGOOO
Yall ready to still get stomped by fireking/snake eye still lol
@Zebaksjam they can just use evoltile megachirella instead of jet synchron and still het their 2 omni negates
@Zebaksjam forgetting the handtraps they'll likely have as well ? Lol will see how the format plays out but a tier zero deck getting not directly hit is unheard of. Baffling in fact.
Blind 2nd strategies are buffed so much with this! Gonna be cooking up some fine af guu.
As much as i am happy with the banlist, One of the cope things i think we shouldnt necessarily do is that, the banlist isnt a trade off. Konami doesnt need to "negotiate" and do a give and take with the banlist. They can just remove a bunch of cards or add in a bunch of cards if they want.
Obviously. Why did you feel the need to type this out?
That part with the trade-offs was about comparing good and bad changes on the banlist, evaluating whether the overall impact on the game will be positive or negative.
Protos won‘t see play outside of Swoso and losing Baronne essentially kills that deck otherwise. Colossus isn‘t an issue in MD or OCG so why should it stay banned?
@@Tony-hn8qybecause some people don't get it and still pretend like it's not just used as a marketing tool.
@@sugar5374 Because toxic floodgates are still toxic even if their native decks have been power crept
Somewhere in the darkness, Apo and Beatrice are having a giggling tea party.
Maybe controversial but leaving apollousa is completely fine - its a link 4 so you either have to summon it as your 5th summon or your opponent had a chance to Nib before it hits the field. Basically Konami has made sure that Nib cant be played around in nost decks, and if you do you end on a significantly weaker board anyway.
Yeah, Apollo’s cool, but really requires too much investment to be worth a damn. Ambulowhale is shockingly superior.
I feel like hitting borreload/baronne hurts more rogue/funiesh strats
Apo and little knight are ok if they ban IP masquearena
@@strangevol5264 Why would you make amblowhale I non snake eye decks?
@@ThunderflySc2if your deck is nothing without baronne, you didn't deserve baronne in the first place
IP and apo are in RA02 so they can't ban them yet
Edit: he said it right after I sent it lmao
What I'm really curious about is how the OCG players will react to our list after their banlist. The OCG decided to mildy inconvenience Snake-Eyes with some minor consistency hits, while the TCG decided to take away their omni negates to make it easier to break their boards.
In my Group most of our member laugh at it. Since tcg banlist policy is still just for boost sale
@@dewanegara8333 TCG bans as a marketing tool but OCG (and MD) ban to make decks sacky/inconsistent and in some cases even frustrating. Oh and Maxx "C" is there to ruin the party as well.
We found it funny cos it feels like tcg banlist is just milking the player base with the banlist.
Nah, as an OCG player, most of US agree that maxx c is an inconvenient, but it’s necessary evil to let more combo piece off banlist and make those combo Deck have less power level compared to tcg one.
As an OCG player, this new list looks fine, but I still hate the TCG's blatant use of the banlist for maketing. The TCG made Baronne and Savage affordable, and then they ban it, it literally is the same thing they did in the past
As a player returning to the game, I've been spending some time getting to know all of the decks,
I think the list as a whole is decent. But I do think it's also worth noting that essentially every deck that has been played for the last several months is still completely playable. With the incoming decks from LEDE, as much of a fan of diverse formats I am, I think when you can see 15 or so different decks in a event that it makes it very difficult to have a plan, even if it does turn out that snake eye is the best deck still going forward. It's definitely interesting.
Long term, banning Baronne and Borreload will just make rogue decks worse. Like, the Fire King version of Snake-Eyes doesn't even use synchros and if you look at former meta decks, like Kashtira, Labrynth, Tearlaments, Despia, Unchained, Purrely, Rikka, Vanquish Soul, how many of those actually rely on generic ED monster to make their board? What will happen is that once Snake-Eyes gets hit, Konami will just print new archetypes with their own boss monsters and rogue decks that don't have a good in-archetype boss monster will not be able to compete.
That gives them room for design space though. I do agree with your argument, but when they did decide to make those boss monsters, it's always a toss up between Baronne vs. other level 10s, Savage vs. other level 8s. More often than not, more balanced boss monsters which are reasonable are often left out because of Baronne and Savage (an e.g. of a pretty decent boss monster is Arktos for Vaylantz). So this gives them room to make those cards for the archetypes that struggle and have them see play.
Of course, if they don't do that, then Konami L.
@@PalkiaDialgaGiratina That would be true if they get banned in the OCG as well, since Konami Japan are the ones who design most of the cards.
Yes, however they will use it as an opportunity to print similar, archetype specific versions. Maybe they don't cover as much ground as the omnis or have some kind of restrictions to keep them from being put in everything, but they have an excuse now, if they didn't have one befote
@@spicymemes7458 the OCG is in charge and all of those cards are legal there, so it won't change shit
@@bl00by_ what does that mean? They won't make more archetype specific boss monsters because only the TCG banned Baronne and Savage?
Now they basically killed all combo decks except for snake-eye? nice
Bystial horus decks can make photon lord and use colossus as a boss now instead of the resonators
@@andrejv.2834budget combo decks
@@MugetsuKurosaki92Pachinkomoney: "Give us your house and car or go play One Piece."
Question for Josh:
Do you think, without immediately dismissing the idea, that Electrumite can come back for Pendulums as well?
We've had two omni-negates banned, Pendulum dies to Nibiru very easily, and compared to what most people think: "Oh, Electrumite can NEVER come back, it's too powerful!"
But Electrumite has been in Master Duel, and has done NOTHING. I doubt one can argue at Maxx C 'stopping it.'
Maybe I'm not aware of something, but I think it'd be okay, surely?
Princess to zealantis lets you activate the one copy of electrumite thrice, since he is SOPT LMAO
@@quad1948 And how does that matter if you're losing to Nibiru anyway?
And like the other commenter was talking about, that interaction exists in Master Duel and Pendulum Decks are still basically nowhere to be seen. I've been playing Endymion, Pendulum Magician, and Dracoslayers almost exclusively since MD launched and I can count the number of Pendulum "mirrors" on a closed fist.
my z-arc deck is salivating at the idea of it coming back
@@quad1948 and this is still a huge investment that if you don't already have Jackal/Endymion out you will end your turn on a Nib Token or Imperm/Veiler on Electrum. Despite Maxx C hurting the main deck even more than playing into it, Pend is absolutely fine and actually got its identity back now that it has to rely on Vortex, Jackal, Endymion, or Time Pendulumgraph instead of Baronne/Savage. Hopefully Apollo goes next after the reprint.
@@quad1948 Well yes, but that doesn't really do much outside of Dracoslayers, as princess will lock you from special summoning something like Astrograph. In order to keep the Electrumite pop you'd have to link off Princess without using up Electrumite, which requires quite a few bodies.
It makes it feel like a 'win more' card, as a handtrap could easily prevent that. But uninterrupted with good hands makes it a problem.
But with less omni-negates. What will it really accomplish? That combo is still in Master Duel after all
Master Duel World Champion vs the TCG Banlist
Branded pops off now imo. I think the omnis being gone makes it so much easier to resolve branded fusion. Like a lot easier
True
"we know how much you guys hated snake eye format, so we gave you guys the option to play decks that lose to snake eye"
Honestly: Aside from Protos coming back, i'm more or less fine with this list. With all the omni-negate cards in Snake-Eye banned, the deck becomes a lot easier to play against now. Overall this list helps going second builds since decks will now have to exclusively play s/t negation monsters if they want to say no to board breaker spells.
I am a bit worried about Chicken Game, but with how common Droll is, maybe things will be fine?
Chicken Game is a one-of, and even as a three-of, it’s not that great.
Chicken game is a mildly better upstart, what deck has room for that
Chicken is awfull is modern yugioh takes your not engine space only stun will thing about playing this
Konami when everyone starts playing generic synchros : nuh uh
Put out a therion king regulus if you can asap. Therions should be more splashable then they are. Time to test em out
I’m a bit new to the game, I was building your Earthbound Runick deck. I was wondering what would be a good replacement for Baronne for it? I was thinking maybe herald of arc light (as you mentioned in this video) or maybe 3 Crossout designator + 1 nibiru (I don’t know if that would make the deck very bricky or not)
Fire hits... where? We are in prison boys
The End board? Hit. The linkuriboh which enabled some degen things? Hit.
@@danthomson5708They still have Anima, so they only lost the Imperm dodge
Just open Nib
@@JoseGomez-qs7tclike that’s not a lot. Doesn’t protect apo. Not a cyberse
@@JoseGomez-qs7tc They lose heatsoul and apo protection.
Apollousa still legal is fine, its a far more balanced card that can be beat by battle, its also a massive investment play
Bro fucking masterpeace gone with all the floodgates gone is literally killing meeee
Prior to this list, it was uni zombie and slayer into Barrone. That line has been sent to the shadow realm. I can still cook with an alternative line. Diviner and slayer into ultimaya into crystal wing. That’s my goal in dealing with nibiru. Thank you for coming to this undead talk 👏👨🏻🍳
RIP the Omni negate combo with Apollo on top.
The funny thing is that with a list like this that hits omninegates, Evenly Matched / Lightning Storm / HFD become extremely strong, and thus the stun decks that people were playing become almost unplayable, and need to start including counter traps that can negate spells and traps to have a chance.
Oh well maybe they shouldn’t be playing degenerate decks like stun then.
Glad I keep using my ApollUSA
Apollousa isn't even the biggest problem out of the generic bosses LOL
I think it's getting too much hate, honestly.
@@gyppygirl2021App gets trolled by Ghost Ogre. 😂
I really like this list for the overall state of ygo but would've appreciated one or two direct hits to snake eyes
I think the omni negates getting banned is unquestionably good, but we also need to get rid of Evenly and Nibiru because now more than ever, they just rip apart boards with zero counterplay.
Like combo decks arent gonna be spamming negates as much anymore, so its fair that the more busted/unfun boardbreakers also have to take a hike so that people can't destroy a player's life because they had it in their opener.
1. Evenly has a plethora of counters
2. And you can play decks that don’t lose to nib
If you’re having a hard time with nib and evenly it may be time to play a new deck
@@ItSpooling_
1. Evenly's counters are backrow negates, something that bot every deck can pull off and banishment fucks over a lot of decks.
2. As a Resonatoe/Raidraptor fan, I don't particularly care? Nib hoses a lot of decks thar need to combo off to make their basic plays and you shouldn't have to play exclusively meta decks that end on a negate in less than 5 summons to play.
@@Monroah cool then have fun losing to evenly/ nib
Damn malicious going outside to touch some grass
01:58 like , banning both synchro omnis all decks can use makes so many deck even more unplayable
If you play a deck only to make baronne savage, go play a better deck lmao
@xantiagoraco9347 no but there are some decks where that the only lvl8 synchro or synchro that makes sense to play , they should have not ban 1 of those 2 at least , and give more direct hits
@@RGARDLthose decks in all honesty should just get better support or be forgotten in the trash
@@cuttlefish6839 so all decks that don't have in archetype Omni negate shouldn't be played ? What will we play ?
Why do you have to make an omni negate ?@@RGARDL
Lightsworn finally gets away with minimal collateral. The Baron/Savage loss is still something but we have a lot of level 10 synchros like Chaos Angel and Dispater, and the extra room gives options to add either F0 or Luluwalilith. Naturia Beast and Apollousa will be hard carrying Lightsworn more than ever. I predict the deck still won't be meta but it's gonna be a strong rogue deck finally.
Lightsworn is getting new support, so Pachinkomoney wants to promote it, not gut it. 😂
Adding Kirin to my Crystal Witches asap 😎✊🏽
The list is an amazing step in the right direction… the snake eyes cards excel at putting bodies on the board and converting the bodies into advantage, and power pieces… this list will hurt the BS first turn boards, and make them more susceptible, but the deck will still be on top of the meta… be ready for a ton of Accesscode, and Raging Phoenix OTKs on the crack back and you’ll be fine
so what’s the best runick version now? synchron bystial runick still has majestic shooting star dragon and a cupid pitch line with assault synchron and hugin so it can run the thunder nemeses monster and colossus
Runick Stun 2 with Pharaoh Advent and Chaos Angel :pepelaugh:
i would like to note, Snake eyes can still make 1 omni negate. its not... the BEST omni negate, and still plays a fair bit into thrust, but it only takes 3 ED slots (which just got cleared up) and 3 main deck slots. The combo goes as follows
Normal summon snake eyes ash, add poplar. Poplar summons itself, add original. Link poplar into anima, poplar set itself. original sinful to send anima and search *salamangreat Mole* from the deck. Mole link into balelynx, balelynx add the salamangreat field spell. Ash send itself and poplar to special oak from deck, oak special poplar from the grave. Oak send itself and balelynx, special flamberge from deck. Flamberge+poplar links into IP, flamberge effect to reborn 2 lvl 1s (doesnt matter which) for examples sake well say oak and ash. IP+oak into promethean princess, princess reborn flamberge. flamberge set IP from grave, princess+ash makes Salamangreat Raging phoenix. PLay the salad field spell you searched before, and re-link phoenix, Searching out salamangreat Roar, setting it to your field.
you now have
1 omni-negate, as long as a salad link monster is on your field (if they get stolen, thats ok, ill explain why in a sec)
1 pop via promethean princess, and you can protect your raging phoenix via the balelynx in grave if you want.
1 IP link into SP/apo (either a 3 mat apo or an S:P, which ever you prefer) for either 3 monster negates or 2 banishes.
Additionally, if they steal the raging phoenix, you can link the flamberge+IP into SP, flamberge will reborn Oak and Ash, then you reborn poplar and ash can search followup, poplar will also search followup. Now, next time you use princess, the raging phoenix in your grave will trigger to summon itself, you still have an omni negate live.
Its not NEARLY as simple and clean as baronne or borreload Savage was, but its not THAT many more cards, and they were already running 1 phoenix, so all they need to add to the ED is another phoenix and a balelynx, and for the main you swap out the 1 jet synchron with mole and add the field spell. Either draw isnt bad either, cause then you dont need to make bale lynx specifically, and mole is a free summon to ANY zone a link monster is pointing to as long as you have link summoned this turn, meaning its never a dead draw you just search a different lvl 1 off of original.
At that point just play salad, cause salad makes that exact board.
So put 3 bricks in the deck to end on a Nib Token, while Roar can't deal with Spell/Trap EFFECTS (only card activations) instead of just playing Silvera and getting an almost equally good omni negate + protection for your future play + followup by triggering Diabel on the opponent's turn.
If your concern is S/T negates for Evenly and you want it to be always accessible by the Snake engine (OSS) you can still go for Jet, Formula, Cupid Pitch into Dawn Dragster + Colossus.
@@joshuacaesar2025 Salad Snake is kinda good, actually. The snake-eyes give the deck tons of extenders and consistency, at the cost of a good chunk of non-engine
okay hear me out, nemesis flag search protos and he is fire. and he is a pyro for bonfire.
Already knew this
Actually kind of excited to try Striker again. 3 Engage, 3 Upstart, Chicken Game as a secondary search target for Terraforming. The deck may not keep up today, but it's better than it's ever been. I just hope Engage doesn't get hit because other decks splash the engine.
Honestly, I’ll take Archetype’s having Floodgates over Generic Boss Omni’s.
I really hope they fill the holes that baronne and savage have left in the synchro pool with something that is as genericly useful but less powerful.
Having a generic 10 that you can just always go into was a massive blessing for many decks because the level was historically locked to 3 material or archetype/type/attribute specific synchros.
Chengying is pretty good
@@andrejv.2834No,it isn't. As an interruption it requires either your opponent banishing cards before being able to remove Chengying or the deck you're playing to be able to banish cards on the opponents turn which not a lot do.
Just run quasar
@@legozackproduct111That's 3 Materials.
Since Baronne is banned I can‘t wait to get evenly‘ed and Nibiru‘ed every game
Apollousa ?
@@Stylercom113good luck making good boards with Appo as your 5th summon
@@rovad55 hm i think there are ways
Nobody wants to watch you pop off for 15 minutes anyway, combo decks nerfed is always good for the game.
Good! Those cards should actually do something
no hits to snake-eye
not now, not *ever*
This is a joke. Like I would kind of agree with the banning of omnis if cards like tactics, evenly matched, nib, etc wouldn't exist.
This just makes going 2nd against any T2/Rogue deck incredibly broken.
Besides that the fact that they didn't hit Snake eyes at all, leaving it at T0 and basically making those hits meaningless is also insane. Even zoodiac got hit after release with Rat to 2, which atleast did something.
And then theres also the fact that protos and collosus come off which are two generic cards which shouldn't exist in the game. Combo decks can now literally end on collosus instead of savage by using corridor.
Also, many decks that relied on Savage and Baronne are now dead; those two saved against things lile Lightning Storm and Dark Hole or Evenly Matched, but now? Hope you have an archetypal negate or protection, otherwise you're dead.
@@Lithosagymfan173 Dragon Link had an archetypal negate AND IT GOT BANNED
Colossus and protos generic ?
This is a joke
@@مرتجىصفاءاحمد The condition of Protos can be easily met by many combo decks and nemeses corridor is a 1 card collosus
@@bl00by_ yes and Kali Yuga and Calamity can be done by a lot of decks but it isn't
Because simply it's not worth it jumping through hoops and bricks to make those cards
Protos AND Colossus are both accessible to any deck that can make a rank 4 through Infernal Flame Banshee searching Nemeses Flag.
I love that they banned baronne, I hate that they did it at a time where the tier zero deck is just gonna shrug it off as a minor incinvenience
If I desperately wanted an omninegate in Snake Eyes that stops Nibiru the easiest one I can think of is 1. Summon Ash, add Poplar => 2. Summon Poplar, add OSS => 3. Use OSS to summon T.G. Rocket Salamander from deck => 4. Tribute Salamander to summon T.G. Jet Falcon from deck => 5. Synchro Falcon + Ash into Herald of the Arc Light. Of course, Herald has that effect to banish any cards sent to the grave from your hand or deck which can screw up your other combos depending on which Snake Eye variant your running, but it can also mess with the opponent's combos too.
Yeah but this is a huge choke point now since OSS needs to resolve for this line
Only Problem to consider: A lot of non-meta decks got weaker. So is this really healthy for the game? I dont think so. We have a weaker Tier 1 Deck but with what kind of board you gonna stop them with 6 cards in their hands + 18 Handtrap slots? And they themselve always can make a free apollousa on opponents turn with IP. That Banlist - especially without banning Shifter and Sanctifier is going to make the game less good
Given that they just printed SP little night in the past year, I don't see this ban list as change in direction for Konomi's balancing philosophy. I think the Baronne and Savage bans are temp. In 6 months when they release the next tier 0 deck they will unban these cards and hit core Snake-Eys cards.
No
Great list,glad they did that
At this point I think that either there is a guy inside Konami that leaks the bans or Konami lets the playerbase make the banlist.
solemn judgement / strike comeback soon
They’ve been good this format, where you been?
@@ItSpooling_ master duel
Monster floodgates are easier to deal with than trap floodgates. But immune to destruction is pretty annoying.
Sp banishing is nice and so is exosister asophiel as a generic rank 4 compulse.
Or change of heart/TTT steal colossus play the game and end on typhon
Inb4 baronne comes back with an errata requiring a fluer tuner and synchro monster.
I would be fine with that these cards should never have been generic
Need to be hit no OCG for that.
I honestly think being only locked for winds decks could be fine errata.
Just lock the negate behind a fleur monster used for synchro summon hits the card enough imo
Real talk I love how they bring back colossus at a time where it's "mistake" like effect allows it to be effective in an otherwise overwhelming metagame
It's funny wording with a double meaning I like that
Baronne and Savage being taken behind the shed and Colossus is back....Nature is healing...TOSS is back!
"The plebians can afford broken cards... quick, ban 'em!" - Probably whatever Konami dev decided to ban Baronne. It is good, but the hit and timing just smacks of forcing players into pay-to-play.
I'm actually concerned the most about the baronne ban not just because it was generic nib protection, but because it was a key component of some rogue combo lists. Nib is now going to be an objectively powerful card that will blow apart decks and the only combo decks that will survive will be ones that can find a way to negate it or play through it. I genuinely don't like that.
Glad someone has a brain
Honestly while it does hurt rogue deck to some degree, instead of complaining about them being gone you shld be pushing for more in archetype support.
Generic cards shld work as extenders and not end board set up imo.
@@Yami0to0hikari More archetypal support? For the amount of rogue decks Barrone was run in getting all the support would take beyond ages
Barrone in most decks acted as protection to certain forms of interaction
I don’t think every combo deck should auto lose to your opponent happens to draw the rock. Lines where you can get to Apo in under 5 are generally pretty limiting to access; I don’t mind counterplay to Nib.
Pachinkomoney wants to force you to play Ultimaya Tzolkin + Crystal Wing in those 2 ED slots.
FINALLY!
WE GETTING UNIQUE BOARDS WITH THIS ONE!!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
its interesting seeing people saying that there were no hits to gimmick puppet because of obvious reasons, but not saying anything about volcanics, despite both being a ftk'ish deck, i guess its because the gimmick puppet field spell solves it all
also, protos being limited for swordsoul isnt as much of a buff as people think, yes you can search it with emergence but think about it, to search protos you need a swordsoul synchro (mabe the synchro 8), then again, if you use emergence for protos you cant search longyuan so you better have drawn it or you may not have enough atributes for protos, also, protos with only the synchro 8 and himself lacks the fire attribute that the synchro 10 (not chixiao) brings to the table to stop the current fire decks, tho you can mabe use it to stop diabellstar
what i think some swordsoul players will do is change shthana (the water tenyi) for mapura (the fire tenyi), both being lvl 4 and summonable with ashuna + giving you the fire attribute for protos instead of having 2 waters on grave (mo-ye and shthana), and a possible protos declare fire without giving up the chixiao + chengying line
on a side note, if you have the fire in grave you can protect your tokens and links from target effects, its nieche but can come up against certain decks or even sworsoul himself
also the adventurer package might come back again since it ca put up gryphon pre summon 5 for nib
Kinda scummy of Konami to give us reprints of Baronne & Savage and to ban it lmao.
Sounds like Komoney.
Dw, they'll probably make replacements for them
Did the same multiple times, remember Maxx C in the ancient gear structure and then banned lol
Personally happy with the hits , i think the snake eyes fireking deck will evolve to a point where not having access to potential omni negates won't matter. Also as a hero player i think Mali to 3 doesnt do much for heroes outside of making our hands more bricky with the chance of opening 2 mali's. I can see 3 mali being good in non hero decks and or maybe pure destiny hero builds. Good video!!!
this list is so unbelievably based, holy shit
Regardless of the limits, I'm just happy they finally touched the ED cards. I know players are still going to be on about no Fire hits (because when doesn't YGO players never stop complaining), but really without omni negates, cards like Talents is looking pretty strong.
I kinda wanted IP or Appo banned too but honestly I'll take this list lol. Not happy with Protos and Colossus coming (doesn't matter if their decks have been power crept, floodgate monsters are still cringe) but the bans alone make this a based list.
So yeah honestly I like the bans here
TCG consistently blowing the OCG out the water with their last couple banlists has been so nice
Maxx C being banned in the TCG alone makes the banlist 100x better
TCG Copium 😂😂
TCG banlist: ban cheap card, keep expensive card at three.
I got a view of the banlist yesterday after work , banlist released at 8pm since France.. and when i checked the effective date , i was like ...
"Bro , AFTER the french Open ? SERIOUSLY ?..Fuck."
This banlist says komoney loves Snake-eye fire king and hate rogues decks. Great job, komoney.
I hope komoney keeps coping ocg banlist for master duel.
Kashtira is happy with protoss too
I just wanna say nibiru should not make it so "your combo deck dies instantly to it" what even is a combo deck at that point every deck in yugioh summons 5 times its just the same argument as maxx c (but in some aspects its more frustrating then maxx c because you dont know if your opponent has it) and lets not even mention how even more impossible its gonna be to break a board through nib. Same argument for droll too btw, i hope the bans of baronne and savage get those 2 cards banned aswell.
They literally dropped this list in the middle of round 1 of LA regionals today. Shit was WILD on the floor
Nemeses Corridor stonks
We're time traveling back to TOSS format with this one boys.