CLUNKING NOISE ON LAND ROVER DEFENDER PUMA 2.2 or 2.4 TDCI (New MT82 output shaft kit, LOF Clutches)
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- Do you think a klong or clunking noise on a Land Rover Defender Puma 2.2 or 2.4 TDCi is normal? The answer is no! In this video, we share with you how we got rid of this issue by replacing the MT82 output shaft kit. And, today, we upgraded it a second time with the new LOF Clutches EXTREMspec MT82 output shaft kit. The Klong or clunking noise when changing gears is often because of the poor design of the stock output shaft. This is how to fix the clunk sound on your Land Rover Defender Puma. Enjoy!
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Great Video Emeline! We are glad you along with some 600+ customers so far are impressed with our design, Thanks for taking the time to make these videos :)
Thanks for your message and support! Looking forward to review your products on the long term :)
I see in the vid its out of stock,and i see now on your website its out of stock are you still making these?
@@wildblueangel100 Sure we are! Next batch ready late November, sorry we just cannot keep up with demand!
Excellent video, many thanks.
Defender 110 2015 output shaft failure at 32k miles, replaced with the LOF extreme spec one piece shaft. Disgusting the way Land Rover have designed and engineered this critical component. The old shaft was bone dry, worn and incorrectly installed, no ring in the groove provided, unless it had failed and disintegrated. Land Rover should do a recall for this issue.
once again thanks for informed video.
Thanks for sharing this! How many km have you drove with the new lof shaft?
This was certainly one of your BEST videos. It is a universal issue for Defender drivers and us having to learn to change gears differently to avoid the shaft noise. I have the Puma 2.4 and it hurts me every time I hear this thump! Land Rover engineers should certainly have put some increased effort to solve this problem, very surprising! Thanks for the information and the quality and detail of the video. And.... your introduction to the channel was superb..... nicely done!
Thanks a lot! Have you already tried to replace the stock output shaft?
@@offtrackfamily no not yet, spent too much time learning to change gears correctly 😄. But I do wish to understand more from Land Rover why they allow this to happen to their brand and the risks of doing nothing. I learnt so much detail from your video and being able to see the dismantled parts I have a better appreciation of what you were advising 👍🏻. Very, very good video!
@@marcosavio1020 Hi Marco, the risk of not addressing this issue is complete loss of drive from the gearbox to the transfer box, resulting in no drive.
Annoyingly you would be left stranded.................
@@offtrackfamily Again, 10 months later and I am reviewing this topic again and in detail. I am busy replacing a worn oil seal on my transfer assembly which is leaking and considering the Ashcroft replacement part. My question is "The EXTREMspec single machined part has one less failure point for sure, but if there is no oil lubrication why will the splines not wear as well in the future?"
When my dad owned the 110 before me, the splines actually stopped and the car was stranded at out house luckily, I have no idea what they replaced it with. Need to do this mod but later. Your videos hope out quite a bit, your overheating video helped me a lot. My problem was solved
Thanks! Happy to hear that my vids are helping you! You are very welcome!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Thanks for the message
Thank you for help the defender owners I’m from KSA 🙏🏽
Thanks for your message! Your welcome, happy it helps :)
Excellent video - subscribed! Just to share some knowledge...Ashcroft recently sent me their latest design (red) part free of charge even though I bought their kit way back in 2016. Have to say the LOF design does look like a step up design wise. That said, the Ashcroft uses oil for lubricant which is always going win over grease.
Thanks a lot! Happy to count you as a new subscriber :) You were lucky with Ashcroft, we also contacted them about the leak and they also offered to replace part of it with their latest design but... not free of charge ;) But as we weren't too sure if this upgrade would really fix any leaking issue on the long term (even though we were very happy with the part because no clunking noise since it was put in place in 2016), we went for LOF part with a different design.
C'est super intéressant. Merci et en bonus, j'ai appris comment être tranquille pendant 1/2 journée en envoyant ma chère et tendre aller chercher un truc dans la cave... Merci encore!
Merci! Haha cette astuce ne fonctionne pas si vous êtes là ou qu'il n'y a pas d'urgence ;)
I take my hat off to your man taking this off the way he did, it is nearly impossible, but he did it...!
Precisamente!
Haha thanks! But it's the mechanic who did all the work ;)
I was amazed when I stripped my MT-82 from the LT 230 and found my splines were greased from the factory!! so, after 16000 miles and 10 years I have no wear in the splines whatsoever. BUT.. I spoke to Luke last week, I now have a clutch kit on the way and may have one of his shafts as soon as they become available again.
You're lucky! Great news for the new clutch and shaft. We look forward testing properly those upgrades after the clutch breaking-in :)
I was wondering if you have the clunking noise as it's greased from factory?
@@offtrackfamily No, i never experienced any clunking at all. The only noise I experienced was a "click" from the rear diff when reversing around a corner?
Amazing! Thank you 😊
👍
Very interesting video, nicely done! 🤙
Thanks a lot!
@@offtrackfamily you betcha 👍
The French mechanics are really the best.
Not all of them are great but this one, yes ;)
Interesting info, have heard about those issues before, but haven't seen a video about what caused it. Love the new intro by the way :)
Were ye able to get this done at the same time as the clutch install?
Thanks a lot! Yes was all done at the same time :)
Great video but unfortunately I’ve got mine changed just last year! Definitely change this for the next..
A great upgrade to keep in mind for next time :)
It’s my turn over this last weekend. I remember this video on back of my mind. It’s very unfortunate L.O.F. Is currently out of stock on this item. My Puma only has 80k km on the block. I dun wanna buy whatever’s available and come back to this after another 80k. Any thought?
Thanks for your great video. They’re very thoughtful, creative and HELPFUL.
Thanks for the message. I would recommend to wait for the LOF one as it's a big job to replace it. LOF can certainly tell you how long the wait is going to be.
Thanks for sharing this video. I absolutely enjoyed it being mechanically minded. I am going to look into LOF Clutches. Thanks 👍😁🇿🇦
Thanks for the message!
My output shaft went with a big bang before Christmas and had it replace with a ashcroft output shaft and while that job was being done I changed the clutch for a LOF road spec one
Thanks for sharing this! Almost the same job as us :) Do you now have the latest version of the Ashcroft output shaft?
@@offtrackfamily yes the latest version, I did notice a slow drip in the first month so I used your cable tie method to check level about on inch below fill plug and topped it up accordingly the drip stopped by itself
Very happy you found a useful tip in one of our previous video. Would love to know how it goes on the long term :)
@@offtrackfamily now one year in no issues the LOF road spec clutch is very impressive 👏, output shaft no issues, the only issue I have had this year is the windscreen wipers have started stopping mid screen when in intermittent mode rather than parking at the bottom of the screen
heh, i've got 2 coming in this week alone with this problem, aswell as the springs in the clutch that fly away. i've had to do this many times.
they made the same mistake in the end of the eighties early nineties (non greased outputshaft) later they made a crossdrilled bit now so many years later, same mistake... lol.
good to know fact at the moment, original clutch set lr117128 is in back-order (03/05/'21). :)
Thanks for your message and sharing this! :)
Hi Emeline, I live in the South of France do you know where can I get the MT82 fitted to my defender. great video
Hi Charlotte, unfortunately I don't know any garage in South of France. We go to a garage in french alps, contamines-montjoie
Merci Emeline pour cette vidéo très instructive une fois de plus, un plaisir d’être abonné à votre chaîne. J’ai un td4 de 60.000 km qui a aussi ce célèbre « klong » qui m’oblige à passer mes vitesse avec une extrême douceur pour ne pas avoir l’impression de l’abîmer … Suite à cette modification le bruit disparaît complètement ? Vous estimez le coût de cette opération à combien entre l’achat de la pièce et le nombre d’heures de main-d’oeuvre ? Merci beaucoup !
Rémy
Merci du soutien! Et contente que cela vous soit utile. Oui que ce soit avec la pièce Ashcroft ou la pièce LOF ces deux règlent complètement le problème. Par contre comme expliqué dans la vidéo, je ne peux pas me prononcer quant à la 3ème version de la pièce Ashcroft qui règle probablement le problème de fuite que nous avions eu avec la version 2, mais sans certitude. Il faudrait demander aux possesseurs de cette 3ème version. Dans le doute nous avons préféré nous orienter vers la pièce LOF, car elle est d'un seul bloc et la conception nous semble plus simple et plus efficace. En dehors du prix de la pièce, il faut bien compter une bonne journée de main d’œuvre dans un garage qui a la connaissance de ce genre de véhicules sinon peut être un peu plus long je dirai même. C'est un assez gros boulot si on fait l'embrayage en même temps. Mais du fait de devoir tout déposer autant tout remplacer en une fois ça vaut la peine.
Interested in the camper kit installed on the Landrover in this video.
check out my other videos :)
After years of the LT77 output shaft problems, I was surprised that this Adaptor shaft was just, if not more problematic on the 6 speed. .
Thanks for sharing your experience. We will see on the long term how it works :)
Yes ! It’s like they forgot ....and so repeated the same mistakes.
@@Anderzander To their detriment, unfortunately. We look after a fleet of both 2.4 and 2.2 Pumas and they do get serious repair bills from our workshop.
Great video, thank you.
What is the price difference between the parts you used first, and the replacement part you’re using now?
Thanks! Would have to check their websites. I think their prices are quite similar, under 300£. LOF website is in the description. :)
Just paid £225 plus vat.
Bonjour,
Merci pour cette vidéo hyper utile. 👍
Où avez vous acheté l'outil qui permet de démonter l'arbre de sortie?
Merci d'avance
Celui que l on voit au tout debut de la vidéo? Il était livré avec la pièce Ashcroft
Hi Emeline, I recently purchased a 2009 TD4 110 Defender and during my first trip the clunking noise already made my skin crawl. To one of your subscribers you mentioned that the clunking could also be caused by "du jeu entre les arbres de roues et les mains meneuses." From what I gather it has something to do with the wheel shafts but I could not find the translation for "les mains meneuses" .So if you could enlighten me.. By the way I subscribed. ATB from Belgium.
Thanks for subscribing! Yes the klunking noise is often coming from worn halfshafts and flanges you are right and the problem is growing when this MT82 outputshaft is also failing:-(
Hi There. Just want to enquire as to the durabillity on the LOF shaft fitted and performance of vehicle since fitted?
No noise in transmission since we installed it, all seems to go well.
I just noticed something Emeline. At around 1:43 and 6:34 the wires running left to right are under the gearbox. They should be running over the gearbox, unless of course these are extra cables you added yourselves? They should be easily disconnected and re-routed. I fear they will snag on twigs or stumps etc.
yes correct they are extra cable we added ourselves but it wasn't possible to run them over the gearbox. But no worries, we never had any problems for the moment, they aren't hanging around.
ciao , come vi siete trovati con l alberino della LOF?? sono indeciso fra questo e ashcroft. Hi, how do you rate the output shaft kit LOF ?? I'm torn between this and Ashcroft.
All good with LOF one since we installed it.
@@offtrackfamily grazie mille
That’s a much better solution.
We also think so, will have to see on the long term :)
Does it work for defender puma 2,2. 2013 ?
Check lof clutches website for that info
Did hear abalt transfer box problems on puma. But gear box. Ah its a Land Rover. 😉🤣
;)
Do you have an affiliate link to LOF?
Thanks for asking. No, no affiliate links for LOF
je crois bien que j'ai ce souci.... c'est un klong quand on change de vitesse (surtout sur 1/2/3/4), c'est ca?
Oui exact, mais cela peut aussi être amplifié par du jeu entre les arbres de roues et les mains meneuses.
@@offtrackfamily Savez vous si il y a un risque a rouler comme ca?
En théorie cela ne pose un problème qu'à long terme avec de plus en plus de jeu dans la transmission. Il est mieux de voir avec un mécanicien spécialisé.
@@offtrackfamily merci! Je vais aller faire un tour chez Newman:)
Great video but.... the output shaft is out of stock 😥 gutted.
Thanks! Yes apparently it is for the moment, but do contact LOF to know when they will restock :)
I'm guessing it won't be long till you get another clunk. Shortly after that you'll need a new gearbox.
Have you experienced these problems after fitting the same kind of output shaft?
Very interesting thought, why?
@Overland Ready is this comment based on real experience or just your guess? Interested as it’s one of my thoughts why Land Rover never addressed it as a fail risk when their reputation is extreme condition capable vehicles. Does Land Rover believe this needs no intervention if you prepared to live with the noise?
@@marcosavio1020 I've been building LR's for a few years now (10+), been modding vehicles on a engineering and electrical basis for 30 years. LR have a tolerance and to be honest, mechanically there is no real possibility of them being totally in line, there is no alignment features either so the whole point in the circlipped spline is to allow slight movement. For info, the ashcroft attempt fails on the twin O-rings because it isn't directly in line, the vehicle here had that and it was leaking. Now bolt a solid extension to something slightly out of line and what happens? I'm aware that I'm party to a few more bits of info about LOF products and their working or not but I cannot publicise that info as it might prejudice a court case.
@@offtrackfamily I will never fit any LOF product because they are not fit for purpose in my opinion. I know of one major issue and a few minor ones too, the issue is that Luke and his cronies go on the attack every time something bad is said, so you will be forgiven if you don't see any bad press, as people don't want the abuse so they don't publicise it. which that makes it worse for everyone else.
What do you think of your new LOF clutch ?
We are still in the breaking in and for the moment it goes well
Ultimately it’s a bad design. You have a shaft without enough lubrication. There’s a reason Land Rover had to cross drill the input gear on the transfer box, before they did that, the shaft wore out. Ford just recreated the same problem.
Do you know if Land Rover ever publicly addressed this as a recommended action or service inspection to prevent failure. It is certainly a bad design all the worse for Land Rover being quiet about the noise in the market place.
@@marcosavio1020 if you mean the input gear being cross drilled then yes, that’s why all replacement parts are cross drilled. If you mean the this MT82 adapter shaft, then no, I don’t think so, probably because by the time the fault became apparent, I expect Ford had by then sold Land Rover on, or they may have already stopped production all together.
Unfortunately there’s no easy solution, a the splines of the shaft need a better supply of oil to stop them wearing. That’s how I see it anyway.
That’s why the splines in the drive flanges wear, there not supplied with oil.
That’s why output splines on the early LT77 gearbox wear, the input gear in the transfer box wasn’t drilled, and didn’t have a supply of oil.
I expect this will just have to be treated as a service item, and just change it when you put in a new clutch.
@@Rob-cz7lg thanks for the detailed reply! Going to research a bit further.
@@Rob-cz7lg I'm not so sure this is such a bad design. Mine was greased from the factory and shows no wear at all after 16000 miles and ten years. I'm sure the standard parts, greased and sealed will last as long as the gearbox? Just look at the internal splines in a CV joint for example, they never seem to wear and are put through more punishment than this part and are smaller.
@Rob Thanks for sharing all this :)
Good video but strange you would release this at a time when the product is out of stock...
Thanks! We received ours few weeks ago but with the restrictions couldn't go to our mechanic to install it before so I don't really understand your point here :)
@@offtrackfamily my point is - the part you are advertising isn't actually available anywhere.
@@ThehomelanderDXB Sir,
she’s not a dealer.
She’s just telling us what she did. How could she know what they have in stock by now or not!!
@@pm-s3654 because it's a paid promotion in partnership with the company that makes them ie. She's not promoting this product for free, she's getting paid for it.
It's like apple promoting a new product exactly at the point when they have no phones available. The whole point of influencer marketing is to promote a product to drive traffic to the site to sell the product, so the fact that the product is actually available is important.
Don't hesitate to contact L.O.F. if you are are interested in this Extreme MT82 outputshaft kit. They will answer very fast! Regards
Thank's for the bad news. .
Do you have that clunking noise?
@@offtrackfamily I's a land rover they all have a clunk noise
Can't agree with that, when we bought ours it didn't make any clunks and when it started we found the problem and solved it.
@@offtrackfamily No clunk and 100,000 mile Puma 2.4 had a clutch 2 yr ago but thats all, there renowned for backlash in the drive train anyway and not to be confused . .