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I've bought Logitech G9x (my first gaming mouse) in 2012 and was quiet happy to have it. Sadly, after one year of exploitation the cable went broken and i purchased another mouse. Eventually i changed 3 different mice until 2019 when i finally realised that there is no mouse better for me than G9x. I fixed the cable and still use it with a great pleasure. For me this mouse is just perfect. And i have no desire to change it for anything else in this world.
I’m still using my G9 I bought about 10 years ago. It’s a top shape for me, but recently I decided to look for something with modern electronics inside. G502 Lightspeed is nice, but not as good for me.
Same here! The G9x is my all time favorite. This was the time when I realized that smaller mice and fingertip are way better for aiming. I also thought about swapping several times, but alsways ended up going back to the G9x after just a few days. The first time was when Steelseries released the Xai and claimed "true 1:1 input... optical is superior... CPI is the way to go!" - Yeah... BS! Sadly, this killed laser gaming mice entirely. I really loved the shape of the Xai, but I just couldn't aim with it, no matter how hard I tried. I then bought 3 more copies of the G9x when my first one broke lol. The last one I bought was off eBay, totally overpriced, as it wans't produced anymore at that point. Eventually, all of them broke and Logitech stopped supporting some features in their new G software and it was finally time to say goodbye. But there wasn't anything that precise until the first PMW3366 mouse dropped, the original G502. Now there's plenty of worthy options. But the G9x will always have a special place in my heart and I will never forget all the great times (and hackusations) I had with it. 'sniff
For all people that loved the G9X: the corsair m65 is a copy of the mouse with the big gribshell. At least for me this was the solution before i buy overpriced at ebay.
@@ryoken9563 Mabye for you... I also had that one. The shape is horrible. I was using the precision grip. There are much better options these days, even below 40 bucks.
I recently bought the Cooler Master MM720 due to my nostalgia for the shape of my old CM Storm Xornet. After about 2 weeks it still just didn't feel right and my aim hadn't recovered back to where it was. So ultimately I went back to my Glorious Model D Minus and remembered exactly why I loved it. That experience has taught me that making a buying decision based on nostalgia for similar products isn't a smart purchasing decision. Good video and I agree completely with the recommendation of 2-3 weeks.
I bought my first good mouse (a deathadder) back in 2013 and I decided to put it to rest back in 2020. The old trooper lasted me a solid 7 years. Nowadays it seems my tastes have changed because I'm suddenly liking ambi shapes a lot more. Currently about to buy a Superlight.
@@maxholm5987 It was pretty sad. It started double clicking around 2017, at first just once in a while, then it happened more and more, and by 2019 dragging things feel like a coin flip. Just happened to get a G-Wolves Skoll for my birthday last year, and once I went ultralight I never want to go back.
@@Fr0stbite1801 I've used the g502 hero, the g403 and my main mouse, the g pro wireless. I could sell the older mice since they are expensive because I'm in a developing country, but I just can't. I just get them from the boxes and use them for a week or two just for feels. I've built memory with them, and I just can't let them go. I'm even planning to make a 3d printed custom mouse with those 3 shapes combined.
Hello Zy, Back in 2007 I've bought Diamondback - Plasma Blue Edition. That was my first gaming mouse, and I was using it daily for over 10 years - still got it today and revisiting it sometimes. I've always liked it's shape and overall feeling from the beginning. I also bought 2015 model, this time 3 of them, just to be sure I can use my favourite for many years :D I'm glad you appreciated Diamondback as well, because I always valued your reviews and opinion. So now, when you had a chance to design your own mouse, I had to check it. I Also wanted to support you on that one, so I hope buying one helps. Received my XTRFY MZ1 just today, and I need to say it's feels great right out of the box. Pretty sure it will be my main mouse for a long time :-) I believe this will be great success and get the recognition it deserves. I'm looking forward to see what's coming next ! Thanks ;-)
I tried my viper ultimate to see if I could get used to it again. It was a no go. Zy’s rail is the best for me so far. Even over my Superlight and Deathadder. Great work !
this is very important for new comers, who used to hate on new and just follow like a sheep what people say "Log g502 is the best" not knowing how many good shapes are out there.
Diamondback "Plasma Blue" was my first ever "gaming" mouse I got back in early 2006. I was absolutely floored with how smooth it glided across my shitty mousepad. I used that thing for over 2000 hours in Battlefield 2 alone up till early 2012 when I got tired of always doing temp fixes every 3 months or so on the switches.
I've been watching your mice reviews for quiet a while now. I have bigger hands and relised my taste in mice is different to yours but because of the detail you go into on the quality and specifications as well as general ergonomics i've been able to use your videos to find the perfect mouse for me. I just bought the corsair sabre pro and it already feels amazing. I'm looking forward to using it for a long time to come. Thank you for the great reviews.
The G502 was so much more narrow than I was used to and took me WEEKS to get used to. Used a few of those for YEARS. Now I'm torn between (Your) MZ1 and Cooler Master MM720. Either way, I'm really into mice that contour to my fingers now. I prefer the overall shape of the MZ1 but I also really like being able to use my ring finger to move the mouse more. So as far as I'm concerned, I need to still get more used to both of them. Haha
I've been using a viper mini for a while and when i first got it it felt too light for my small mousepad and high sens But now having used it for a while it's allowed me to lower my sensitivity without fatigue or laziness
@@John-sp9if i know what you mean man. The thing feels so light, almost cheap because of it compared to more traditional mouses. My old mouse literally had a thick piece of metal in it to artificially increase the weight lol
Very timely video -- I just switched from an original MS optical mouse to an M42 which was quite a change for me. Initial tests using my wife's M42 for gaming I liked it immediately, but when I got my own and tried using it all day while I worked I noticed discomfort after a few hours. My hands are a little larger than yours and my first though was the mouse was too small, but after watching your videos and similar videos on mouse grips I've been experimenting with different techniques. I'm settling on more of a fingertip/semi claw for gaming, but find a relaxed palm grip with a wrist rest fits office/IT work better. That process has taken just over 2 weeks...
My first mouse was Corsair m62 and my second was Corsair glaive. I used them both for few years until I found that the wire part was kinda getting in my way. So I went for Razer mamba wireless which I noticed it was a little lighter and I was able to use it more freely. After a year of using it, I switched to Razer basilisk ultimate. I notice all fall into big mouse category because I have a big hand. Razer basilisk ultimate became the perfect mouse for me after using it for weeks and still use it to this day. Being wireless which allowed me to use it freely and light mouse too. It was a perfect shape and allowed me to play more consistently on fps game I play, mainly Overwatch. I play on palm grip with three fingers on top because I use my middle mouse button for melee.
Went back to watch this video after getting the Razer Viper Mini. I used the G502 before this and before that I used the G600 for about 8 years between the two, so I'm really used to big mice with asymmetrical shapes. Throwing around this mouse that's less than twice the weight and with an unfamiliar shape I was dreading the fact that I wouldn't be able to get used to it. But now only a week in with it, I definitely can feel myself being better with it especially for long gaming hours compared to the 502. It's great for the wrist and I feel more consistent with it. Its shape still throws me off sometimes but I get the hang of it after warm up.
I eventually ended up modding my second Diamondback to have flat sides (using Bondo + paint) as I never really got used to those under curves, especially for accessing the thumb buttons without moving the thumb. Also switched to the DA when it came out, especially after Sujoy's recommendation on ESR. Sujoy's mouse benchmarks were the first time I recall seeing an objective and quantifiable assessment of sensor performance, and was sorely needed to combat the amount of laser sensors being marketed to gamers.
Very interesting. I always used to use intellimice as well, then bought a diamondback because I assumed it would be better. It hurt my hand and ended up not using it much. That was 2006. Now here I am using the intellimouse explorer, looking at a smaller upgrade because of your channel.
Yeah that's the basis of me starting the channel, I just happened to push myself and realized smaller mice were easier to aim, despite the pain and discomfort. Now I'm using much smaller mice comfortably. Diamondback feels pretty big these days. Back then it felt tiny and caused pain.
@@RocketJumpNinja I still have the original Diamondback and it still works fine :) I could try it out... Lately I've been trying out claw grip more, also because of your channel. I always thought I used a palm grip but after paying some attention to it: when it gets intense I always seem to use claw-like grip.
I went from a Deathadder to a Glorious O- on 19.5 x 9 cm hands. First two weeks my hands were actually cramped. I never thought I could cramp my hands before because I've used extremely small cheap mice. That being said after some time I realized it allows me to move the mouse a lot better. The cramps also disappeared over time. Now I've gone even smaller. I cut my O- in half and am full on fingertip, even using it outside of game. I think it really depends on personal experience
I tried to use the new finalmouse for a couple weeks and could just tell that I was not able to aim accurately enough with it. Because I had to use finger tip pretty much, I had no control and could not have any consistent aim. I went back to my MM710 and it was immediately better for my aim. Smaller mouse doesn’t always mean better for everyone. Just like RJN says, shape is king
This is great advice. I've tried and own a lot of different mice, and only a few of them are genuinely unusable for me I've found. Some aren't as comfortable or don't allow me to use them to my full potential, but I can get used to them after around a fortnight of use.
Actually this channel taught me to be open-minded and that ultimately the shape of the mouse has to fit the hand, grip style and the aim style. Basically i picked up a deathadder mini one day and it felt right instantly, never looked back. Only thing that could make it better is if it were wireless.
How do you know you're old? You had these mice. I did. Ironically it was an old Diamondback why i ended up on this channel. Couple of years ago my Mom called me, they were clearing the attic and i still had stuff there. Going through my old stuff i found my old bag of mice. That included the IE 3.0, Diamondback, Imperator. Under the bag, an Icemat. So i fired up my Diamondback, and i realized how much i love a smaller mouse. At the time i was using my 3rd? Deathadder. Turned out i aim better with smaller mice. Also i like the shape of the DB, this is why i had zero issues with the G102's shape. Currently i'm using a Viper Mini.
There's also the fact that you can modify the shape of a mouse with griptape, e.g. adding a ledge for your pinky finger. With 20x13cm hands, I struggled to make the MZ1 work for me, and eventually just added grip tape. There's no mice on the market designed for a wide fingertip grip, and you gotta work with what's available.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I use a pure fingertip grip, but I prefer to keep my fingers a little bent, rather than straight out. Have you tried an XM1-r? Supposedly it's one of the best mice on the market for wider hands. I just want something that's wide and is less than 70g...
I remember getting a Model O and first day I cramped but that was because I was so used to palming and I finally adjusted to Fingertip and was never happier. Finally got a O- and I would say I’m above average to say the least
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Originally an ec2 user with pretty big, wide hands, I was skeptical on getting an MZ1. So far i absolutely love it and want another for stock, although i have felt some discomfort here and there when i was adjusting. I think the biggest thing was that i didnt really know where to put my pinky comfortably, as it has an ambidextrous-like shape, and i come from an ec2 I considered putting a small rubber piece to make the width of the base a bit wider for my pinky but i think its not necessary. After a month or 2 ill have a better idea long term.. but amazing mouse that i love using
It was similar for me. I used to use bigger mice like the Corsair Glaive and others because I never thought about shape before and just bought mice based on the sensor pretty much. Played them with high sens in a palm grip and had decent aim even with my super small hands. Making the switch to smaller mice that suited my handshape more was difficult at first since I couldn't figure out how to hold them right without my hand cramping, but I stuck with it and now play much more comfortably and have more precise aim with lower sens and a claw grip on my O-. Still going to try the MZ1 as well, might be even better for me.
i think different. for me mice need to fit like a glove, if its comfortable, i will aim good, i will hit shots. i won't be bothered by getting hand cramps so i can perform my best ingame and focus on the gameplay rather than how i "feel". I used the g203 for a good while, on paper it should've been the endgame - Small, lightweight mouse, with ambi design. However, despite aiming well, my hand kept hurting, I went back to my old SteelSeries Rival and still aimed better. Few years went by and I found finally a replacement, I got myself a lightweight ergonomic mouse, g-wolves skoll. i havent aimed better since.
dude i bought the viper mini about 3 to 4 months ago from ur review then i kept experiencing pain for 3weeks was unbearable then i was searching for some help and i found ur old tweet about that diamond shape and that i should give it a month was so happy to read that tweet I was dead serious about sending it back then 1 week later pain was gone muscles have adapted and gone stronger ig but my aim was still mediocre only after 2 and half months later my aim in fps is the best so far. now i look back and glad i gave it a further chance ty zy
I've been switching through mice that I'll use between a week or three to find something that's comfortable in both immediate and long-term use. I had picked up the Cooler Master MM731 since I like small/medium ergo shapes. Outside of thumb buttons that are a bit too far forward and stiff, I immediately fell in love with the comfort and weighting on buttons/scroll. It's always very comfortable at first with a tilted palm/claw grip, but a few times I'd get this weird fatigue in my 3rd and 4th finger that was almost numb; bordering enough on being painful that I'll have to switch out to something like the MM720 that forces an exaggerated claw. In general, I can play longest with a relaxed fingertip, but I think my fingers are short enough compared to the width of my palm to make it difficult on pulling that move with all but one or two of the mice I have because of how far frickin' forward thumb buttons always are, hahaha. Of all the name brand mice I've tried, the ONLY one that remains comfortable despite my grip is the Delux M800DB. Not perfect, but I can at least reach the terrible side buttons while fingertipping, and placement of curve edges don't precisely grind into the bones of my knuckle joints. When I fingertip it, the hump rests perfectly in the ridge of joints between the fingers and palm, and the rear slopes down enough behind the hump that it doesn't push against the palm to fight against my grip like longer mice do. From the few reviews I've seen of it, it does very closely resemble the Viper, but slightly smaller. I forget where I saw the comparison, but somebody said it's directly between the regular Viper and the Viper Mini. So a copy for sure, but a unique take on it. I think I'm asking you to have an opinion on the M800DB? I saw you didn't have a video on it and curious what your thoughts on it would be given the kinda unique dimensions it has. Looks to actually be more comparable to some Finalmouse, actually.
Hey, Zy! My friend and I are making a new mouse for palm and fingertip (claw isn’t great in it) and I was wondering if based on your experience, a leftward hump (like the benq EC series) can mess up palm aim bu rotating the hand clockwise
Not really as your thumb will apply pressure on the the side and your fingers will "dodge" the good bit of the hump of the EC. There's a reason why a lot of the best aimers in CS used the EC. Just have to make your choice if you want an ergo mice or an ambi mouse.
I have thought of getting a smaller mouse when my Logitech G502 wears out precisely because i remember using a Diamondback back in the day and it being my favorite mouse shape I ever had. I even got the Diamondback remake and was bitterly disappointed when it started double-clicking after only a few months. To me "which mouse is the most like an OG Razer Diamondback" would be a great guide 😂
True. I went from An Ergo mouse (zowie clone) to a gpro wireless clone to Xm1r and now the viper mini... I fingertip mostly.. 20x10 hands btw. It takes 2 weeks really to adjust
There comes a point where smaller is not better though. The viper mini is so freaking tiny. I had it for 30 days. Now it just sits on my shelf. Got the viper ultimate wireless instead and love that mouse. Ps once you go wireless, there is no going back
I’m going through a phase of buying a new mouse every month, maybe 2 a month sometimes. After trying a few, I bought the ZA12-B, and man that shape is king for me, only issue for me would be the weight. Right now my main is the XM1R which is awesome, my aim improved a lot as soon as I picked up that mouse
I’ve used a deathadder for 5 years. After switching to the basilisk I was hooked on checking out mice because I noticed how much better my aim was with the basilisk. Now I have sprees of buying and returning mice, but I cannot seem to get used to shapes that aren’t reminiscent of the deathadder/basilisk. I now main an xtrfy m4, which initially gave me minimal discomfort so I could actually get used to it but my hand is just so finnicky. It seems I’m just not able to use mice that are smaller/ambidextrous. My hands are about 19 by 10 cm. When trying smaller/ambi mice a specific tendon on the right side of my hand just starts burning. I can never get through two weeks without severely irritating that tendon. It’s such a shame, had such good aim with for example the mm720, with my favourite sensor the 3389. But I just can’t have my hand get used to it, it hurts too much. I’m a professional pianist, maybe that has an influence in some way. I’ve recently tried the Makalu 67, CM mm720, Deathadder Mini, Roccat Kone Pro, of which many are M4/Basilisk-like in shape. I can’t have any of them, although they all feel great when initially putting my hand on them. Gonna try deathadder v2 pro tomorrow. It is frustrating…
Still no good competitive xl mice for me, so sad that all the mice i like are medium or small. I dont understand how there isnt at least on company creating something like the gpro or viper for xl.
Been using the GPX for over 6 months. The chunky shape definitely is not for me. Unfortunately, I aim better with it than other mice making it hard it to replace. If only they'd make a G305 Superlight.
Sunk cost fallacy made me suck with a Roccat Nyth for 2 years before I finally ditched it when it was time to replace the left button for the second time. I replaced the mouse instead.
I've tried so many mice, but when I get my MX518 (oldschool version) out of the drawer, it always feels amazing from the start. Even after months of using smaller mice, I still prefer the mouse I grew up with. Maybe I go lucky at the start?
🤣😂🤣 i play with my mouse now for about 7 years but now i needed a new one because it Self-employing now. Start making dots sometimes a "," between the "." Until i push a button. But it starts completely randomly. It was so wired on the beginning if i was in a game and doing thing if never klickt (the "." Was bind with a mouse button). Ps.: Roccat swarm or Tycoon ( don't know which is mouse and keyboard) with a roccat mousepad where i need to swap, one side is for control and the other for speed. So i bought the mz1 with the gpz pad 😁
Razer viper mini is the best mouse i have ever used. I acually prefer the higher Los because when I play I I sometimes pinch the mouse where it raises a little of mousepad and for a split second and my mouse won't register. With the viper mini I dont have this problem.
I've switched from the Viper Mini to the MZ1 for about a month now and I noticed that my flicks and overall aim is generally better but I haven't gotten used to the instability of the MZ1 due to the narrow sides. It's really noticable at long range gunfights where it seems extremely uncomfortable to control.
Hi, i have been trying differen mice for over 1.5 years now and i always took your top mice list and measuring methods as inspiration. But i noticed a noticeable difference between symm and ergo mice. With symmetrical mice the 60% rule fits pretty much perfectly but ergo mice could usually be thinner and still as comfortable. Any thoughts on this?
On my case i used to have a motospeed v30 and i bought a razer viper. At first it felt kinda weird but confortable at the same time, I thought i needed to get used to it. But now after a few months with the viper i can say I'd never buy it again. My Pinky finger hurts every day, i can't play for more than 4 hours without having to stop because it literally hurts
Wish gaming companies would take more risks with more shapes. It seems like both Razer and Logitech are just going to milk the G pro and Viper shapes forever at this point.
i just got a new mouse and my problem aint that my hand hurts rather its that the left and right click button go way further back if yk what i mean so i keep pressing them on accident
I got the MZ1 2 weeks ago. It's amazing. After using the same death adder for 12 years it feels so much better. My fingers don't rest on the side properly my pinky curls abit and rests over the holes. I'm not sure if this is an issue. Maybe i can try adjusting my fingers or buy pads but it doesn't really bother me. Whatever feels comfortable i guess
Always had thin mouses.. recently i got razer naga trinity for mmo's.. that thing is bulky af.. i find it really damn hard to get used to it.. also way how i holding the mouse ( fingers on side touching and moving the mouse and never lay my hand on the mouse, moving it pulling it up all the time .. i control mouse with my fingers not with whole hand ) now i am struggling to get used to it.. it's too big somehow.. ( i have big hands it's just that new feeling/shape of the mouse need to get into my brain ).. i hope soon i will get used to it.. or i holding the mouse in a wrong way from begining, idk but i think after 20 years doing it it's impossible to change that lol
used the RVM for a few months, either the sensor was broken or I was not able to aim with that thing at all, but with my bigger mice not only I aim better I also make better micro-adjustments, I've been using the hyperx haste and it's good, like very good, but the problem is even after a few months my hand is still cramping sometimes, and I just can't find a good grip on it, so I've been thinking of buying the superlight because it's a tad taller and I feel like the shape would be great for me
Loved my mz1 for the first time i used it with clawgrip, than i tried using fingertip grip and didn’t liked it anymore lol. Now i am back on claw and its perfect again, never want to switch. Tomorrow im installing a paracord but nothing more to do, wanted to paint it but dont know wich colour and dont want to loose the transparent effekt
I got a ulx (I used a kone pro for like 2 years), it feels better, its way smaller and wayyy lighter, my hand doesnt cramp and i feel like i got used to it, im using the exact same edpi that I used on my old mouse, but my aim is horrible, feels like i cant aim, not hitting my shots, idk why as it feels better
I love the viper mini for fps but use the superlight for general use and LoL. I dont find I have an issue with jumping between mice overall. lucky i guess.
i always used a small mice like razer orochi essential or 2013 editions some how few ago i switched to ergo ec2. and now just ordered the mz1 because i want a new feeling and shorter shape again
I've been using the same g403 for the last 4 or 5 years now. I am not sure if I should try getting a new mouse or not. I'm starting to get some spin out while playing.
Sadly your mouse wasn't for me :( My hands are 20 by 10 cm so it was too small and uncomfortable for me when I tried it in the store. But I ended up on HyperX Pulsefire Haste and it felt great! It also was on a green scale for fingertip grip for my hand size, so I ended up buying it and was pretty satisfied! Had to return it though because of mouse clicks difference, but ordered a new one.
I have HyperX Pulsefire FPS Pro and it feels much more bigger and heavier. It is very comfortable for palm grip but there's no way to use it with a fingertip (well you can but it's uncomfortable) and have those small adjustments with the fingers. The Pulsefire Haste on the other hand is great for it and I found myself popping circles in AimLab barely moving my hand sometimes!
Just got my MZ1 yesterday. Still got comfortable some games. Need to get used to but aweome mouse coming from worn down G403. I got similar hands as you (19.5x9.5) I was a bit afraid it would be more awkward tbh
@@GOGETAdu54 I don't know, it's like too narrow for me. I have to kind of claw it to hold it on the sides properly, especially with a pinkie so there's too much tension because of it and I don't really wanna get used to it. Zy's 60% rule works great for me with the Pulsefire Haste and, besides, I saved quite some money with it.
Hey Zy quick question ive played all my games mmos moba fps on one mouse razer naga molten the old (2012) and for me that was the best mouse ive ever had it broke after 2yrs and razer doesnt produce the old modell anymore (the new naga sucks btw) do you have any recommendation in mind for me by any chance, the best thing was mostly the form and small sice bcause of my claw grip you could push that mouse hard into you palm that was really nice for fps for example and gave me steady aim
I have gave the m42 a try and the first two weeks it hitting good shots and what not and now two more weeks have gone by and it feels like I can’t hit nothing any more I don’t if I should switch mouse again if I should stick with the m42 I love the mouse but my aim hasn’t been consistent
hey Zy was wondering if you could recomend me a hard (or at least slippery) mouse pad that would be like 50cm x 50cm or 50cm x 90cm because the only ones I find are 40cm x 40cm or 40cm x 90cm
You might wanna look into cordura pads. I was also a hard padder until those hit the market. It's a speical kind of cloth that's water resitant, extremely slippery and very durable. The military uses that stuff for backpacks and ammo pouches. The SPC Endorphy for example is a really good one and fairly cheap. I'm fine with the 450x400 version but there's also a deskmat-sized version. Not sure if they're shipping worldwide, but there's plenty of other brands.
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i cant get xtrfy mouse because i am in egypt
Zy do you want to get into custom mechanical keyboards? They're getting pretty popular right now. I would love to see you make videos on them.
Can't say I'm a fan of custom keyboards, love the Logitech G915.
RIP Diamondback, best shape ever.
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Wireless diamondback when?
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I've bought Logitech G9x (my first gaming mouse) in 2012 and was quiet happy to have it. Sadly, after one year of exploitation the cable went broken and i purchased another mouse. Eventually i changed 3 different mice until 2019 when i finally realised that there is no mouse better for me than G9x. I fixed the cable and still use it with a great pleasure. For me this mouse is just perfect. And i have no desire to change it for anything else in this world.
I’m still using my G9 I bought about 10 years ago. It’s a top shape for me, but recently I decided to look for something with modern electronics inside. G502 Lightspeed is nice, but not as good for me.
Same here! The G9x is my all time favorite. This was the time when I realized that smaller mice and fingertip are way better for aiming. I also thought about swapping several times, but alsways ended up going back to the G9x after just a few days. The first time was when Steelseries released the Xai and claimed "true 1:1 input... optical is superior... CPI is the way to go!" - Yeah... BS! Sadly, this killed laser gaming mice entirely. I really loved the shape of the Xai, but I just couldn't aim with it, no matter how hard I tried. I then bought 3 more copies of the G9x when my first one broke lol. The last one I bought was off eBay, totally overpriced, as it wans't produced anymore at that point. Eventually, all of them broke and Logitech stopped supporting some features in their new G software and it was finally time to say goodbye. But there wasn't anything that precise until the first PMW3366 mouse dropped, the original G502. Now there's plenty of worthy options. But the G9x will always have a special place in my heart and I will never forget all the great times (and hackusations) I had with it. 'sniff
For all people that loved the G9X: the corsair m65 is a copy of the mouse with the big gribshell. At least for me this was the solution before i buy overpriced at ebay.
@@ryoken9563 Mabye for you... I also had that one. The shape is horrible. I was using the precision grip. There are much better options these days, even below 40 bucks.
@@ryoken9563 thanks for advice
Still rocking my mm720. I’ve owned plenty of other mice on the list, but for some reason the mm720 has been the best for me. Shape is king.
I recently bought the Cooler Master MM720 due to my nostalgia for the shape of my old CM Storm Xornet. After about 2 weeks it still just didn't feel right and my aim hadn't recovered back to where it was. So ultimately I went back to my Glorious Model D Minus and remembered exactly why I loved it.
That experience has taught me that making a buying decision based on nostalgia for similar products isn't a smart purchasing decision. Good video and I agree completely with the recommendation of 2-3 weeks.
after 2 weeks of using new mouse i always tell it with tears on my eyes: "you are adopted"
I bought my first good mouse (a deathadder) back in 2013 and I decided to put it to rest back in 2020. The old trooper lasted me a solid 7 years. Nowadays it seems my tastes have changed because I'm suddenly liking ambi shapes a lot more. Currently about to buy a Superlight.
Solid 7 years?!
Omg you must have had tears in your eyes when you were putting the old boi away.
@@maxholm5987 It was pretty sad. It started double clicking around 2017, at first just once in a while, then it happened more and more, and by 2019 dragging things feel like a coin flip. Just happened to get a G-Wolves Skoll for my birthday last year, and once I went ultralight I never want to go back.
@@Fr0stbite1801 I've used the g502 hero, the g403 and my main mouse, the g pro wireless. I could sell the older mice since they are expensive because I'm in a developing country, but I just can't. I just get them from the boxes and use them for a week or two just for feels. I've built memory with them, and I just can't let them go. I'm even planning to make a 3d printed custom mouse with those 3 shapes combined.
Hello Zy,
Back in 2007 I've bought Diamondback - Plasma Blue Edition. That was my first gaming mouse, and I was using it daily for over 10 years - still got it today and revisiting it sometimes.
I've always liked it's shape and overall feeling from the beginning. I also bought 2015 model, this time 3 of them, just to be sure I can use my favourite for many years :D
I'm glad you appreciated Diamondback as well, because I always valued your reviews and opinion.
So now, when you had a chance to design your own mouse, I had to check it.
I Also wanted to support you on that one, so I hope buying one helps.
Received my XTRFY MZ1 just today, and I need to say it's feels great right out of the box. Pretty sure it will be my main mouse for a long time :-)
I believe this will be great success and get the recognition it deserves.
I'm looking forward to see what's coming next !
Thanks ;-)
I tried my viper ultimate to see if I could get used to it again. It was a no go. Zy’s rail is the best for me so far. Even over my Superlight and Deathadder. Great work !
this is very important for new comers, who used to hate on new and just follow like a sheep what people say "Log g502 is the best" not knowing how many good shapes are out there.
Diamondback "Plasma Blue" was my first ever "gaming" mouse I got back in early 2006. I was absolutely floored with how smooth it glided across my shitty mousepad. I used that thing for over 2000 hours in Battlefield 2 alone up till early 2012 when I got tired of always doing temp fixes every 3 months or so on the switches.
i was just looking for something that covered exactly this topic. thank you
I've been watching your mice reviews for quiet a while now. I have bigger hands and relised my taste in mice is different to yours but because of the detail you go into on the quality and specifications as well as general ergonomics i've been able to use your videos to find the perfect mouse for me. I just bought the corsair sabre pro and it already feels amazing. I'm looking forward to using it for a long time to come. Thank you for the great reviews.
I haven't watch it yet and I knew right away this is a banger
edit: it is.
@@Terra101 That's just the last 10% of the video
The G502 was so much more narrow than I was used to and took me WEEKS to get used to. Used a few of those for YEARS. Now I'm torn between (Your) MZ1 and Cooler Master MM720. Either way, I'm really into mice that contour to my fingers now. I prefer the overall shape of the MZ1 but I also really like being able to use my ring finger to move the mouse more. So as far as I'm concerned, I need to still get more used to both of them. Haha
its true I went from logitech g102 to razer viper mini. And in starting I hated the viper but after about two weeks now I love it.
@unholydonuts its still working smooth
I've been using a viper mini for a while and when i first got it it felt too light for my small mousepad and high sens
But now having used it for a while it's allowed me to lower my sensitivity without fatigue or laziness
Same, I came from the awkward shape and heavy weight of g402, 1st Viper mini felt like a toy to me, now I know why people prefer small light mouse.
@@John-sp9if i know what you mean man. The thing feels so light, almost cheap because of it compared to more traditional mouses.
My old mouse literally had a thick piece of metal in it to artificially increase the weight lol
@@GalacticYuna try using that mouse as well. it feels like a brick. makes u feel like u were zeus using that constantly
@@homeyworkey thrown it away now lol ,
No going back
for me the clicking / mouse switches on the viper mini felt kinda weird. It took me like 2-3 weeks to get used to it
Glad you tried the Airblader.
Awesome video, I love the EC shape, so I might go with Pulsar Xlite Wireless.
Edit: Might buy the Roccat KPA!
Very timely video -- I just switched from an original MS optical mouse to an M42 which was quite a change for me. Initial tests using my wife's M42 for gaming I liked it immediately, but when I got my own and tried using it all day while I worked I noticed discomfort after a few hours. My hands are a little larger than yours and my first though was the mouse was too small, but after watching your videos and similar videos on mouse grips I've been experimenting with different techniques. I'm settling on more of a fingertip/semi claw for gaming, but find a relaxed palm grip with a wrist rest fits office/IT work better. That process has taken just over 2 weeks...
My first mouse was Corsair m62 and my second was Corsair glaive. I used them both for few years until I found that the wire part was kinda getting in my way. So I went for Razer mamba wireless which I noticed it was a little lighter and I was able to use it more freely. After a year of using it, I switched to Razer basilisk ultimate. I notice all fall into big mouse category because I have a big hand.
Razer basilisk ultimate became the perfect mouse for me after using it for weeks and still use it to this day. Being wireless which allowed me to use it freely and light mouse too. It was a perfect shape and allowed me to play more consistently on fps game I play, mainly Overwatch. I play on palm grip with three fingers on top because I use my middle mouse button for melee.
Went back to watch this video after getting the Razer Viper Mini. I used the G502 before this and before that I used the G600 for about 8 years between the two, so I'm really used to big mice with asymmetrical shapes. Throwing around this mouse that's less than twice the weight and with an unfamiliar shape I was dreading the fact that I wouldn't be able to get used to it. But now only a week in with it, I definitely can feel myself being better with it especially for long gaming hours compared to the 502. It's great for the wrist and I feel more consistent with it. Its shape still throws me off sometimes but I get the hang of it after warm up.
I eventually ended up modding my second Diamondback to have flat sides (using Bondo + paint) as I never really got used to those under curves, especially for accessing the thumb buttons without moving the thumb. Also switched to the DA when it came out, especially after Sujoy's recommendation on ESR. Sujoy's mouse benchmarks were the first time I recall seeing an objective and quantifiable assessment of sensor performance, and was sorely needed to combat the amount of laser sensors being marketed to gamers.
Very interesting. I always used to use intellimice as well, then bought a diamondback because I assumed it would be better. It hurt my hand and ended up not using it much. That was 2006. Now here I am using the intellimouse explorer, looking at a smaller upgrade because of your channel.
Yeah that's the basis of me starting the channel, I just happened to push myself and realized smaller mice were easier to aim, despite the pain and discomfort. Now I'm using much smaller mice comfortably. Diamondback feels pretty big these days. Back then it felt tiny and caused pain.
@@RocketJumpNinja I still have the original Diamondback and it still works fine :) I could try it out... Lately I've been trying out claw grip more, also because of your channel. I always thought I used a palm grip but after paying some attention to it: when it gets intense I always seem to use claw-like grip.
I went from a Deathadder to a Glorious O- on 19.5 x 9 cm hands. First two weeks my hands were actually cramped. I never thought I could cramp my hands before because I've used extremely small cheap mice.
That being said after some time I realized it allows me to move the mouse a lot better. The cramps also disappeared over time. Now I've gone even smaller. I cut my O- in half and am full on fingertip, even using it outside of game. I think it really depends on personal experience
I tried to use the new finalmouse for a couple weeks and could just tell that I was not able to aim accurately enough with it. Because I had to use finger tip pretty much, I had no control and could not have any consistent aim. I went back to my MM710 and it was immediately better for my aim. Smaller mouse doesn’t always mean better for everyone. Just like RJN says, shape is king
yes
This is great advice. I've tried and own a lot of different mice, and only a few of them are genuinely unusable for me I've found. Some aren't as comfortable or don't allow me to use them to my full potential, but I can get used to them after around a fortnight of use.
Actually this channel taught me to be open-minded and that ultimately the shape of the mouse has to fit the hand, grip style and the aim style. Basically i picked up a deathadder mini one day and it felt right instantly, never looked back. Only thing that could make it better is if it were wireless.
How do you know you're old? You had these mice. I did. Ironically it was an old Diamondback why i ended up on this channel. Couple of years ago my Mom called me, they were clearing the attic and i still had stuff there. Going through my old stuff i found my old bag of mice. That included the IE 3.0, Diamondback, Imperator. Under the bag, an Icemat. So i fired up my Diamondback, and i realized how much i love a smaller mouse. At the time i was using my 3rd? Deathadder. Turned out i aim better with smaller mice. Also i like the shape of the DB, this is why i had zero issues with the G102's shape. Currently i'm using a Viper Mini.
There's also the fact that you can modify the shape of a mouse with griptape, e.g. adding a ledge for your pinky finger. With 20x13cm hands, I struggled to make the MZ1 work for me, and eventually just added grip tape. There's no mice on the market designed for a wide fingertip grip, and you gotta work with what's available.
What grip are you using on it? MY hands are pretty big as well, and I always have touble finding a mouse that is wide and high enough.
@@HappyBeezerStudios I use a pure fingertip grip, but I prefer to keep my fingers a little bent, rather than straight out. Have you tried an XM1-r? Supposedly it's one of the best mice on the market for wider hands. I just want something that's wide and is less than 70g...
The Diamondback was my buddy for like 5 years now, but now I have the G 203 and hope it will be a good choice.
I remember getting a Model O and first day I cramped but that was because I was so used to palming and I finally adjusted to Fingertip and was never happier. Finally got a O- and I would say I’m above average to say the least
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Originally an ec2 user with pretty big, wide hands, I was skeptical on getting an MZ1.
So far i absolutely love it and want another for stock, although i have felt some discomfort here and there when i was adjusting. I think the biggest thing was that i didnt really know where to put my pinky comfortably, as it has an ambidextrous-like shape, and i come from an ec2
I considered putting a small rubber piece to make the width of the base a bit wider for my pinky but i think its not necessary. After a month or 2 ill have a better idea long term.. but amazing mouse that i love using
It was similar for me. I used to use bigger mice like the Corsair Glaive and others because I never thought about shape before and just bought mice based on the sensor pretty much. Played them with high sens in a palm grip and had decent aim even with my super small hands. Making the switch to smaller mice that suited my handshape more was difficult at first since I couldn't figure out how to hold them right without my hand cramping, but I stuck with it and now play much more comfortably and have more precise aim with lower sens and a claw grip on my O-. Still going to try the MZ1 as well, might be even better for me.
i think different. for me mice need to fit like a glove, if its comfortable, i will aim good, i will hit shots. i won't be bothered by getting hand cramps so i can perform my best ingame and focus on the gameplay rather than how i "feel".
I used the g203 for a good while, on paper it should've been the endgame - Small, lightweight mouse, with ambi design. However, despite aiming well, my hand kept hurting, I went back to my old SteelSeries Rival and still aimed better.
Few years went by and I found finally a replacement, I got myself a lightweight ergonomic mouse, g-wolves skoll. i havent aimed better since.
ive kept an open mind for 7 months on the MM711, and now i have carpal tunnel :)
my hand is 20,5 cm x 11,2 cm, and i play with claw grip
dude i bought the viper mini about 3 to 4 months ago from ur review then i kept experiencing pain for 3weeks was unbearable then i was searching for some help and i found ur old tweet about that diamond shape and that i should give it a month was so happy to read that tweet I was dead serious about sending it back
then 1 week later pain was gone muscles have adapted and gone stronger ig
but my aim was still mediocre only after 2 and half months later my aim in fps is the best so far.
now i look back and glad i gave it a further chance ty zy
I've been switching through mice that I'll use between a week or three to find something that's comfortable in both immediate and long-term use. I had picked up the Cooler Master MM731 since I like small/medium ergo shapes. Outside of thumb buttons that are a bit too far forward and stiff, I immediately fell in love with the comfort and weighting on buttons/scroll. It's always very comfortable at first with a tilted palm/claw grip, but a few times I'd get this weird fatigue in my 3rd and 4th finger that was almost numb; bordering enough on being painful that I'll have to switch out to something like the MM720 that forces an exaggerated claw. In general, I can play longest with a relaxed fingertip, but I think my fingers are short enough compared to the width of my palm to make it difficult on pulling that move with all but one or two of the mice I have because of how far frickin' forward thumb buttons always are, hahaha.
Of all the name brand mice I've tried, the ONLY one that remains comfortable despite my grip is the Delux M800DB. Not perfect, but I can at least reach the terrible side buttons while fingertipping, and placement of curve edges don't precisely grind into the bones of my knuckle joints. When I fingertip it, the hump rests perfectly in the ridge of joints between the fingers and palm, and the rear slopes down enough behind the hump that it doesn't push against the palm to fight against my grip like longer mice do. From the few reviews I've seen of it, it does very closely resemble the Viper, but slightly smaller. I forget where I saw the comparison, but somebody said it's directly between the regular Viper and the Viper Mini. So a copy for sure, but a unique take on it.
I think I'm asking you to have an opinion on the M800DB? I saw you didn't have a video on it and curious what your thoughts on it would be given the kinda unique dimensions it has. Looks to actually be more comparable to some Finalmouse, actually.
I think when your scroll wheel starts quadruple clicking like mine does I say is a very good time to change it.
your new mouse quadruple clicks? Just RMA it dude
Eh my bad I thought the title meant how long before you upgrade you mice.
Hey, Zy! My friend and I are making a new mouse for palm and fingertip (claw isn’t great in it) and I was wondering if based on your experience, a leftward hump (like the benq EC series) can mess up palm aim bu rotating the hand clockwise
Will it be like fk series with leftside hump? That would be great
Not really as your thumb will apply pressure on the the side and your fingers will "dodge" the good bit of the hump of the EC. There's a reason why a lot of the best aimers in CS used the EC.
Just have to make your choice if you want an ergo mice or an ambi mouse.
This just sounds like a defence of MZ1 ;D Two weeks of using it can easily make your wrist hurt a lot like happened to two of my friends.
2 months in and still loving it
I have thought of getting a smaller mouse when my Logitech G502 wears out precisely because i remember using a Diamondback back in the day and it being my favorite mouse shape I ever had. I even got the Diamondback remake and was bitterly disappointed when it started double-clicking after only a few months. To me "which mouse is the most like an OG Razer Diamondback" would be a great guide 😂
True. I went from An Ergo mouse (zowie clone) to a gpro wireless clone to Xm1r and now the viper mini... I fingertip mostly.. 20x10 hands btw. It takes 2 weeks really to adjust
There comes a point where smaller is not better though. The viper mini is so freaking tiny. I had it for 30 days. Now it just sits on my shelf. Got the viper ultimate wireless instead and love that mouse. Ps once you go wireless, there is no going back
I love both wireless and wired at the end of the day it’s all preference. Glad you’re enjoying the rvu though.
I’m going through a phase of buying a new mouse every month, maybe 2 a month sometimes. After trying a few, I bought the ZA12-B, and man that shape is king for me, only issue for me would be the weight. Right now my main is the XM1R which is awesome, my aim improved a lot as soon as I picked up that mouse
ı bought xm1r wireless xm2we but my aim is better g pro i am going to try xm2we for 2 weeks
i miss the original rival shape so much ( rival 300 or 300S now which u can't even find )
Nice thoughts on that topic!
Can we appreciate the foreseeing kill on 1:08?!
Very inspirational
The very first mouse... I saw a teaser of it a while back
Snagged a new Intellimouse Pro for $14... excited for it to show up
We need that wireless Zy’s Rail ASAP!
I’ve used a deathadder for 5 years. After switching to the basilisk I was hooked on checking out mice because I noticed how much better my aim was with the basilisk. Now I have sprees of buying and returning mice, but I cannot seem to get used to shapes that aren’t reminiscent of the deathadder/basilisk. I now main an xtrfy m4, which initially gave me minimal discomfort so I could actually get used to it but my hand is just so finnicky. It seems I’m just not able to use mice that are smaller/ambidextrous. My hands are about 19 by 10 cm. When trying smaller/ambi mice a specific tendon on the right side of my hand just starts burning. I can never get through two weeks without severely irritating that tendon. It’s such a shame, had such good aim with for example the mm720, with my favourite sensor the 3389. But I just can’t have my hand get used to it, it hurts too much. I’m a professional pianist, maybe that has an influence in some way. I’ve recently tried the Makalu 67, CM mm720, Deathadder Mini, Roccat Kone Pro, of which many are M4/Basilisk-like in shape. I can’t have any of them, although they all feel great when initially putting my hand on them. Gonna try deathadder v2 pro tomorrow. It is frustrating…
I have the diamondback and it's great but the sensor is trash
Nooo!! Zy!! Why would you show us the Cougar Airblader in the beginning of this video but not talk about it? 😭
Still no good competitive xl mice for me, so sad that all the mice i like are medium or small. I dont understand how there isnt at least on company creating something like the gpro or viper for xl.
Agreed XL and lightweight, it can’t be that hard lol
Been using the GPX for over 6 months. The chunky shape definitely is not for me.
Unfortunately, I aim better with it than other mice making it hard it to replace. If only they'd make a G305 Superlight.
That is such an elegant way of asking your viewers to wait longer for the Cougar Airblader review.
Sunk cost fallacy made me suck with a Roccat Nyth for 2 years before I finally ditched it when it was time to replace the left button for the second time. I replaced the mouse instead.
I've tried so many mice, but when I get my MX518 (oldschool version) out of the drawer, it always feels amazing from the start. Even after months of using smaller mice, I still prefer the mouse I grew up with. Maybe I go lucky at the start?
Still the best shape I've ever used, it's easy to swap out the sensor for g400/g400s/mx518L internals then you have a perfect mouse.
🤣😂🤣 i play with my mouse now for about 7 years but now i needed a new one because it Self-employing now. Start making dots sometimes a "," between the "." Until i push a button. But it starts completely randomly. It was so wired on the beginning if i was in a game and doing thing if never klickt (the "." Was bind with a mouse button). Ps.: Roccat swarm or Tycoon ( don't know which is mouse and keyboard) with a roccat mousepad where i need to swap, one side is for control and the other for speed.
So i bought the mz1 with the gpz pad 😁
Razer viper mini is the best mouse i have ever used. I acually prefer the higher Los because when I play I I sometimes pinch the mouse where it raises a little of mousepad and for a split second and my mouse won't register. With the viper mini I dont have this problem.
I've switched from the Viper Mini to the MZ1 for about a month now and I noticed that my flicks and overall aim is generally better but I haven't gotten used to the instability of the MZ1 due to the narrow sides. It's really noticable at long range gunfights where it seems extremely uncomfortable to control.
Hi, i have been trying differen mice for over 1.5 years now and i always took your top mice list and measuring methods as inspiration. But i noticed a noticeable difference between symm and ergo mice. With symmetrical mice the 60% rule fits pretty much perfectly but ergo mice could usually be thinner and still as comfortable. Any thoughts on this?
ergo could also be bigger. It really depends on the shape and your hand/grip. I haven't had particular issues with the likes of Naos.
On my case i used to have a motospeed v30 and i bought a razer viper. At first it felt kinda weird but confortable at the same time, I thought i needed to get used to it. But now after a few months with the viper i can say I'd never buy it again. My Pinky finger hurts every day, i can't play for more than 4 hours without having to stop because it literally hurts
Wish gaming companies would take more risks with more shapes. It seems like both Razer and Logitech are just going to milk the G pro and Viper shapes forever at this point.
Unfortunately in my country you can only return online ordered products for 14 days after receiving it.
mz1 wireless when question mark
i just got a new mouse and my problem aint that my hand hurts rather its that the left and right click button go way further back if yk what i mean so i keep pressing them on accident
I wish they would re realese the diamondback with newest optical sensor
I got the MZ1 2 weeks ago. It's amazing. After using the same death adder for 12 years it feels so much better. My fingers don't rest on the side properly my pinky curls abit and rests over the holes. I'm not sure if this is an issue. Maybe i can try adjusting my fingers or buy pads but it doesn't really bother me. Whatever feels comfortable i guess
for awhile I was buying a new mouse every month, I just stuck with the viper mini for the last year
Been using my Razer Diamondback 3g since 2007 is that ok?
I played on a bulky 170g bloody mouse i changed to a asus rog 3 chakram and i just cant adapt to it i play like i dont have enough neurons
How long should you use your mouse? When to decide it's time to buy a new ..and same mouse?
Always had thin mouses.. recently i got razer naga trinity for mmo's.. that thing is bulky af.. i find it really damn hard to get used to it.. also way how i holding the mouse ( fingers on side touching and moving the mouse and never lay my hand on the mouse, moving it pulling it up all the time .. i control mouse with my fingers not with whole hand ) now i am struggling to get used to it.. it's too big somehow.. ( i have big hands it's just that new feeling/shape of the mouse need to get into my brain ).. i hope soon i will get used to it.. or i holding the mouse in a wrong way from begining, idk but i think after 20 years doing it it's impossible to change that lol
used the RVM for a few months, either the sensor was broken or I was not able to aim with that thing at all, but with my bigger mice not only I aim better I also make better micro-adjustments, I've been using the hyperx haste and it's good, like very good, but the problem is even after a few months my hand is still cramping sometimes, and I just can't find a good grip on it, so I've been thinking of buying the superlight because it's a tad taller and I feel like the shape would be great for me
Loved my mz1 for the first time i used it with clawgrip, than i tried using fingertip grip and didn’t liked it anymore lol.
Now i am back on claw and its perfect again, never want to switch.
Tomorrow im installing a paracord but nothing more to do, wanted to paint it but dont know wich colour and dont want to loose the transparent effekt
I got a ulx (I used a kone pro for like 2 years), it feels better, its way smaller and wayyy lighter, my hand doesnt cramp and i feel like i got used to it, im using the exact same edpi that I used on my old mouse, but my aim is horrible, feels like i cant aim, not hitting my shots, idk why as it feels better
I am not in games that require out-of-reality-aim, so a week is enough for me to understand if a mouse is good for me or not =)
I love the viper mini for fps but use the superlight for general use and LoL. I dont find I have an issue with jumping between mice overall. lucky i guess.
I need 5minutes with a mouse to see if i like it and i tried around 30 myself. The moment i put my hand on it i know if its fir me or not.
we miss you zy
@@RocketJumpNinja hope you get better man
i always used a small mice like razer orochi essential or 2013 editions some how few ago i switched to ergo ec2. and now just ordered the mz1 because i want a new feeling and shorter shape again
I previously used the viper mini and just gut the razor viper v2 pro and idk if I like it????!
theres no retailers here in Brazil for the mz1 😭
can i just say the the microsoft intellimouse looks fkn good
Dame 2-3 weeks? Here I am buying mice and switching off after pistol round in CSGO.
I've been using the same g403 for the last 4 or 5 years now. I am not sure if I should try getting a new mouse or not. I'm starting to get some spin out while playing.
the razer diamondback kinda looks like a g203
Will xtrfy release MZ1 any revision, wireless, superlight (without RGB), etc? I need them all
I skin grafted the MZ1 to my hand.
Sadly your mouse wasn't for me :( My hands are 20 by 10 cm so it was too small and uncomfortable for me when I tried it in the store. But I ended up on HyperX Pulsefire Haste and it felt great! It also was on a green scale for fingertip grip for my hand size, so I ended up buying it and was pretty satisfied! Had to return it though because of mouse clicks difference, but ordered a new one.
I have HyperX Pulsefire FPS Pro and it feels much more bigger and heavier. It is very comfortable for palm grip but there's no way to use it with a fingertip (well you can but it's uncomfortable) and have those small adjustments with the fingers. The Pulsefire Haste on the other hand is great for it and I found myself popping circles in AimLab barely moving my hand sometimes!
Just got my MZ1 yesterday. Still got comfortable some games. Need to get used to but aweome mouse coming from worn down G403. I got similar hands as you (19.5x9.5) I was a bit afraid it would be more awkward tbh
@@GOGETAdu54 I don't know, it's like too narrow for me. I have to kind of claw it to hold it on the sides properly, especially with a pinkie so there's too much tension because of it and I don't really wanna get used to it. Zy's 60% rule works great for me with the Pulsefire Haste and, besides, I saved quite some money with it.
can you review the pwnage ultra custom?
Hey Zy quick question ive played all my games mmos moba fps on one mouse razer naga molten the old (2012) and for me that was the best mouse ive ever had it broke after 2yrs and razer doesnt produce the old modell anymore (the new naga sucks btw) do you have any recommendation in mind for me by any chance, the best thing was mostly the form and small sice bcause of my claw grip you could push that mouse hard into you palm that was really nice for fps for example and gave me steady aim
comeback to see this after the release of G303 Shroud Edition :D
I gave it plenty of time, don't worry. 😉
The shape isn't THAT different, just different enough to take away from the original shape is all.
mz1 one love
I miss Diamondback
What game is this exactly? Looks like a fun game to play when you have downtime
Quake Live or Quake Champions
I have gave the m42 a try and the first two weeks it hitting good shots and what not and now two more weeks have gone by and it feels like I can’t hit nothing any more I don’t if I should switch mouse again if I should stick with the m42 I love the mouse but my aim hasn’t been consistent
hey Zy was wondering if you could recomend me a hard (or at least slippery) mouse pad that would be like 50cm x 50cm or 50cm x 90cm because the only ones I find are 40cm x 40cm or 40cm x 90cm
You might wanna look into cordura pads. I was also a hard padder until those hit the market. It's a speical kind of cloth that's water resitant, extremely slippery and very durable. The military uses that stuff for backpacks and ammo pouches. The SPC Endorphy for example is a really good one and fairly cheap. I'm fine with the 450x400 version but there's also a deskmat-sized version. Not sure if they're shipping worldwide, but there's plenty of other brands.
alright I'll check them out, thanks
Good video. Name of this mouse pls 0:09