Thoughts on 52100 Steel
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- My thoughts after some use on the 52100 I got from John at BGM knives. #edc #edcgear #tools #pocketknife #knife #steel #knifelife #usamade #americanmade #carbonsteel #52100 #bgmknives #fixedblade #camping #fishing #survival
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52100 and Vanadis 4 Extra, are my favorite steels, for an outdoors knife (hiking,/camping, collecting wild edibles, hunting etc). Both are way better in terms for performance, than CPM 3V, that people thing it's better, it's not even close.. The other 2 stee;s that I mentioned, provide way better edge retention, they are easy to sharpen and you won't notice a difference in toughness/edge stability.
PS I'm a user more than a collector but I'm also a chemist/metallurgist with a degree since the early 90's and I also sharpen/repair knives ffor 35 years, with many of them, sharpening professionaly working for a company and at home. Happy new year!!
John from BGM makes his starter steel 52100 and I’ll agree that’s some good stuff. I really like cruwear for my outdoor knives tough, sharpens easy and is pretty stainless for a tool steel.
Problem with edge retention tests is that in the real world, edge stability matters more. If it rolls or chips before the apex wears down, the wearing down didn't cause the dulling. They often have hardness going for them over carbon steel ran at 57-59. I've heard great things of Cru-Wear for edge stability while having carbides as a bonus. 3V I've heard isn't that great but Nathan's Delta heat treat makes it quite good. Edge stability over carbides imo. 14c27n or aeb-l run at 64 is a budget performance beast. For really hard steel, rex45 is the less tough but very hard steel that doesn't prioritize carbides over hardness
Then I'm sure, you're going to love ballbearing steel, because it's the only one, that offers both edge retention and edge stability, at the highest levels! All the know steels, like CPM Cruwear, CPM 3V, or even the low budget stainless steels you mentioned, all miss either edge retention or edge stability, none has both and none is easy to sharpen in the same time. Ballbearing steel, is the only, that lacks just a bit stain rtesistance and nothing else! I magine a steel with the toughness of CPM 3V, the edge retention of Cruwear and the ease of sharpening, of a Carbon steel!!! That's how crazy good that steel is!! MY next favorite, is Vanadis 4 Extra, which is similar to Cruwear, but one generation ahead, because it's made by the best mill in the world! Böhler-Uddeholm@@mikafoxx2717
I love Cruwear. At 65-66 HRC it smokes K390, M4, and M390 in all ways. Cruwear is at 65-66 HRC is a crazy steel that will shock you.
52100 is great when ran hard and ground thin. 52100 at 61-62 with a thin convex is a completely different animal than 52100 at 59 ground like a wedge.
Carbon steels have mediocre edge retention at the same angle, but because you can run them a few degrees more acute, you can easily double the performance. From 20 to 15 degrees per side is a lot of extra edge retention.
You just described the best steel for a fixed blade knife in the world!! No super steel, can have it all, Ballbearing is the only one that can, only lacking a bit stain resistance, but I've never seen rust on any of my ballbearing steel blades...so....it's easily THE best. My ballbearing steel knives, outperform all my custom and semicustom knives, made of CPM Cruwear, Vanadis 4 Extra, M390 etc etc. That being said, Vanadis 4 extra, is also a steel I love. These 2 are my TOP choices for fixed blades.
You haven't' tried the steel he desrcribes. IT outperforms many Super steels on both edge retention AND edge stability/toughness.@@mikafoxx2717
Its an EDC, you don't have to pair it with anything just use it and when it gets dull sharpen it, Thats it .......!!!
Ive got a pm2 in 52100
You keep comparing it's characteristics with stainless steels,which are completely different to low alloy steels or tool steels.It's exasctly the opposite type of steels. One reason the edges on steels with low chromium (like 52100,1095 etc) always feels sharper, comapred to any stainless steel, because it's easier to get the sharp and that's also the feel they provide,when you touch their edges with your thumb. That being said, even though 52100 isn't the best example, but 1095 is, it's the carbides that do the cut, so a stainless that feels less sharp, might cut better, than a noticably sharper carbon steel. That's you'll hear, the phrase, "carbides cut,geometry slices!" That being said, Ballbearing steel, will always be my favorite steel, with Vanadis 4 Extra and a bit of CPM Cruwear as my 3d favorite steel. They are the best steels for an outdoors fixed blade.Even on custom kitchen knives, they still use 52100 and it's since many decades ago, considered one of the best steel options, for hunting knives too!
PS Steel, is tha last factor someone should consider, when getting a knife. It's everything esle that matters more. A proper steel choice, will just make a great knife,closer to be "perfect", for someones needs.like when we need stain resistance, ,for when fishing etc.
I have a small fixed blade from a local maker in 52100 at 64hrc. It's a reasonably thin full flat grind; .015" bte at 17dps for most of the blade.
Corrosion resistance aside, i probably wouldn't be able to tell it apart from LC200N in use or sharpening. Maybe it strops back a little better, but that's hard to say because the thinnest LC200N I've used was .020" bte which plays a huge role in stropping response.
I don't think I've taken it out of my safe in 3 years. This may motivate me to try it out again.
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