One of the worst parts that wasn’t even mentioned was that you need AN APP FOR LIKE EVERY DIFFERENT CHARGER!! Imagine needing that to pump gas?!?? An esso, petro, shell, husky app or you CANT FILL UP!!
@@GoSolarPlz yea but what if your not technology literate? Like it’s easy for some, but maybe others would find this very challenging or just don’t have the know how or access
@@colby6472 it’s super simple. The apps are good. The Tesla one requires no app to charge. Plug in. Charge as much as you want. Unplug when you’re done. Drive away. Credit card billed automatically
I agree, they should bill by kw/h, because it's fair. Some more affordable cars charge slower then pricier cars, so billing by hours cost more if you have a cheap car, which is highly unfair. The reason for billing by hour is so people don't leave their car plugged all day so to free up charging stations for other cars to charge, they bill by time. They should implement a hybrid billing solution. A battery charges fastest between 10% and 80% that part should be charged by kw/h, and by minutes for everything else. The reason is, it takes more time to go from 80 to 100% then 10 to 80%. That wold be a bit more fair.
@@Niko-iv4chIIRC there were similar laws in certain USA jurisdictions, something to do with you couldn’t sell by kWh unless you were a utility company. Therefore they have to charge you based on a service rendered.
@@Mountain-Viking Circuit électrique will convert to kWh billing shortlyl. The regulation governing their rates was published by the Quebec government last November.
@@Mountain-Viking I think fair would be for it to bill based on both energy transferred in (kWh) and time. That way people who's cars can charge faster don't pay more than they should and people who leave their car plugged in after it's done charging would pay a penalty for keeping the charger occupied needlessly. Or, charger providers could provide a certain amount of time after the charging is finished before billing for time used, to give people a small buffer where they have some time to come back and collect their car before it starts billing them for time again.
He knows exactly what's he's talking about actually,this video is just carrying an agenda. The main issue was finding working charging stations but notice how much time was spent on ones that work versus 3rd party faulty ones? Range in cold is no longer a huge issue,just like with a gas car you use more gas on the a/c not enough to have legal mile change posting.......
I have an EV and live in a colder climate. I do have to adjust my driving during the winter but made a 90 mile round trip with no issues and the temp outside was 5F. While I agree with points brought up, I noticed the person that was happy with his EV and said no issues got maybe 5 sec of time. I am the first to say EVs are not for everyone and have their limitations but I wish when these reports are made they included more advantages and show people who love their EV
For EVs your house is the gas station. Your car needs electricity, your house has electricity and it's already billed to you. Condo's and apartments are getting them installed too, albeit very slowly. Basically the only situation where you need a "gas station" is on a road trip
@@fallere5125You're out of touch. Home ownership is out of reach of many people. So that can't be the gas station you want us to believe it is. Apartments and condos are not and will not roll out the level of charging needed to make your dream work. Between service upgrades needed and the potential grid impact, those apartments and condos won't be the gas station you want them to be. As to being on the road, again, it's a cool dream but not everyone wants to take one pre-defined route east west in Canada. The infrastructure isn't there for unfettered mobility. It will never be there. At the end of the day you need to realize how elitist you sound when you handwave serious concerns around integrating EVs into a working class paradigm. They will never work for them. Especially when they have perfectly good thrifty and paid off ICE vehicles which suffer none of the shortcomings and limitations listed above. Pull the other one and tell me that the guy or gal spending half their monthly wages on rent needs to finance a 45000 dollar electric pimple on stilts to make the weather less sad.
I think the Minister needs to drive an EV in Western Canada during a cold snap when the temperature is below -30 C. Let’s say a trip from BC to Calgary or Calgary to Edmonton.
There are comments to just "charge from home overnight". With what?...an extension chord from your apartment or house strung down the street to where you found parking? Not every home has a driveway or garage, not every apartment building has parking. A lot of work needs to be done before the date in question. Why not have the entire fleet of government cars EV. Let them try to work out the kinks and see the challenges then perhaps the issues everyday people would be figured out quicker.
IMO, if you cant charge at home, need to tow, or have to drive 50% of your winter range a day or more than 100% of your range a week an EV is simply not for you. I own a model 3, and i have super charged once for 15 minutes on a trip to Ottawa for the weekend. And the rest at home
Ideally, in an place where you live in an apartment, you should be able to take high quality public transport and not need a car at all. But in a case where you must (or a system the forces you to) have a car then you must have a parking spot to leave it at night like an underground lot. That parking place should have access to charging by default
@@DozyBeeChief the only way charging is worth $15/hr is if it’s delivering a very high rate of energy, such as 250kWh-350kWh, where a 75-85kWh battery, found in many EV’s could charge up in a reasonably short 15-20 minutes, taking into account tapering and charging curve, as many would place a higher value on time = money. Even so, $15/hr is still too high, but if you’ve gotta top off in the least amount of time, one may be able to justify the price.
Wow. And this Environment Minister is making decisions for us all? He is a laughing stock. “Duh, that’s the first time I’ve heard about this”, says Steven Guilbeault. 🤣😂😅 Throw him out!
Have you heard of “cold weather highway range” estimates for cars? What would be the “standardized temperature”? Do we also include snow/ice conditions (which can have a significant effect on range?). No other jurisdiction in the world (not even Norway) has this type of range rating. I think that standardization of such a rating would help to educate new EV owners on the effects of cold weather on range, but the Minister’s reaction is reasonable (IMO).
@@hockeyfunGuess what? The Federal government sets these standards. It's not an "international standard". So yes, the federal government CAN EASILY make these standards a requirement in Canada. But they just DON'T WANT TO.
@@dash1dash2 Sure, so the question is should "cold weather highway range" standards be implemented. I am for them. Let's see if governments choose to adopt them.
People aren't fighting over petrol stations, and those where very rare once upon a time. We are still in the infancy of this industry, tech is rapidly improving every year. Infrastructure is improving rapidly every year. As demand grows it will keep accelerating further. Just wait with switching until things have improved to the point where ev's become the better choice for you.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 What till you come across a person whos car has been fully charged for hours but refuses to move it as they are "too busy" walking around a mall. People freak out when someone fills up a gas powered car at a busy station, then decides to go in and use the washroom before moving on.
Big problem is nonstop headache finding fuel - if u can fill up at home all good. Government is pushing for more ev’s but first thing they need is enough charging stations.
@@colindavenport2619100% EV adoption would require upgrades. But that’s going to take decades. The grid has plenty of flexibility to charge EV’s during periods of low demand.
@@RockyMountainTesla That will, but there is another problem at play due to when solar production stops when people generally get home from work for most of the year.
@@colindavenport2619 EVs are inherently load shedable. In fact the Canadian electrical code was recently changed so that you do on need to do a service upgrade to install a L2 charger. You just need to install a whole hose energy monitor to stop charging if you don't have enough headroom on your load calculation. That is not to say things are perfect. "Smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell "virtual power plants" to utility providers (because they are ALSO inherently load-shedable). But the protocols are invariably proprietary. So if your proprietary water heater load sheds: that may be immediately negated by your "whole house energy monitor" telling your car it is OK to charge during the supper hour peak.
There is some good information here. Availability and pricing is a very important issue. Using a CHAdeMO charge vehicle, is not a realistic comparison to the majority of BEV vehicles. As there is less availability for those chargers. For winter driving? Could you have mentioned the difference you car having a heat pump would make? Did you research battery per-conditioning? There are practices to learn in using any new vehicle. Your discussion with the minister was interesting, I am not sure how informed he was on the minutia of the matter. Your points on standardized charge prices and a possible practical range listing are important. I plan on purchasing a BEV, but I see that innovation = less freedom when it comes to tech. It is time to regulate the manufacturers to protect the consumer. This carries over to ICE and BEVs. Please do an episode on automotive subscription services and their expense. It makes me wonder if I really own the car I "buy".
Did you notice at 5:05 she was just shoving her phone with the chargepoint app open against the RFID reader at the chargepoint station. She definitely knew she had to add it to her wallet app, but wanted to take the opportunity to make EVs look bad
@kgb3209 why tf are there so many apps and hoops to jump through to charge the damn EV? She didn't make it look bad on purpose, it looks bad naturally
@user-yi4vz4du9l your comment doesn't make sense. That isn't an equal comparison. We already have a perfect standard... tap/insert a damn credit card. They are trying to reinvent the wheel here and instead have made a way worse wheel
Owned an EV for near 9 years, and have completed 17 8000km+ road trips across Canada and the United States. I will agree there is a learning curve with EVs, but cold weather driving with EVs is not as big as a deal as being reported ... in my opinion. Norway and Sweden don't have issue with cold weather because their charging infrastructure is top notch. The biggest mistake I've see with new EV owners have is charging their vehicle at 100% instead of charging to 60-80% on long distance trips.
If we had a significant carbon tax: we would not have to switch everything to EVs. Carbon-neutral synfuels should be an option for industries that are unable to electrify economically. Unfortunately with the low price of fossil carbon: it is just cheaper to dig fossil fuel out of the ground.
Do you know the world doesn't have a CO2 problem ? CO2 is at it's lowest since the last ice age 180,000 yrs ago the world has a pollution problem if CO2 levels drop any lower all life well become extinct
You can also then "save money" by just filling up with fuel then say....working or being productive? How exactly do you think said charging stations get their power to charge EV's?
@@danielbaker7611 Said charging stations get their power from, coal, gas, wind, nuclear, sun, etc. Does it matter? An EV running on electricity from coal is still beter for the environment than an ICE running on gas or diesel. And there is little to no way the ICE will eventually be greener while an EV eventually gets greener because the coal, gas mix in the grid will be fased out as much as possible. Will this happen tomorrow? No, but it will happen. Other countries already run their electric grid on > 90% renewables (Iceland, Norway, Puerto Rico)
Depends on what car, Teslas can supercharge within 20-30 minutes. Most of the time you will super-charging during roadtrips where you will have to eat and go to the toilet anyways. No time is truly wasted.
Just recently drove back from Mrytle Beach. Took us 16 hours straight through 2 min gas stops. Last stop for gas was in Pittsburg PA. and was able to drive to Peterborough Ontario which is 656kms and over 6 hours of driving plus a 35 min border crossing on 1 tank of gas with still a quater tank of gas left when we got home. Want to see an EV do that.
My wife and me needed to replace our 12 year old Prius C (2 years ago now). We're both retired so, the pennies count, a lot. We looked hard at going for a full EV to replace the C and would have embraced one, except for the cost. Here in Newfoundland any BEV starts at $60,000+. Having driven hybrids for over 16 years we were well pleased with the economics (averaged 4.4l per 100km), and had very few issues in over a decade and a half. Our "well appointed" Model SE cost well under $40,000. We finally got our 2024 Prius Prime after a 21 month wait last March. It now has 12,000+km on the OD. And, as of today we have burned just three tanks of gas. In summer temperatures we can get 100km on a charge. The Prime has a 13.6kwh Traction Battery and a fuel tank that holds 10.5 gallons. Combined, we would be able to travel the 904km route One highway across the full width of our big island without stopping for either fuel or a charge. This PHEV makes far more sense than any ICE or EV. Toyota is right, if every passenger car in NA was a Prius Prime emissions would drop by 90%. And, range anxiety........puff.
@@treynolds94 We're hoping that by the time the Traction Battery needs to be replaced (Toyota warrants the battery for ten years), the tech. will have improved to the point where a range of 150km will be a reality. I mean; we have only used 30 odd gallons of fuel over those 12,000km. A 50% increase in EV range would essentially eliminate fossil use completely. In this province we are very lucky to have our electricity almost 100% generated by clean hydro The resources required to build this PHEV are a fraction of those needed to produce a BEV, that sadly, in many cases, is fueled by power that is derived by burning fossil fuels. Our personal finances limit us in many ways but, we know the little extra we spent to acquire this car helps with regards to our increasingly morbid weather. If you already own a car that takes you from Pittsburg to Peterborough using just 3/4's of a tank then I don't have to point out anything to you. Kind Regards.
@@treynolds94 As far as I know the grid in NA can provide the energy to keep EV's rolling with not much investment. The biggest problem is with the local Step-Down Transformers (those buckets we see on poles near our homes). They will have to be replaced with higher capacity units.
As an electrical engineer with a master in power engineering, I laugh at what is going on and the stupidity that people talking up EVs......especially politicians. Wait until you need to change the battery.
I live in Illinois and have both a 2023 Model Y and a 2023 Bolt EUV. Only twice have I every had a line at a charger with the Tesla, once during Christmas. Usually I have no issues and there are almost never problems with the chargers having a problem - possibly one bad charger at all out of over a year of trips. This includes driving to Texas once and to Florida another time. The Bolt charges so slow and relies on the CCS network, I don't even bother with it on long trips. However, for around the town trips, or going to St Louis and back, I only need to charge at home. Add up all your visits to the gas station within a 100 miles of your home and nix them from your life. Also, charging at home is so cheap that gas would have to be %1.50/gallon to compete with either the Model Y or the Bolt.
that's cool and all, but how many Americans have the option to charge at home? They are forcing 100% of the Americans to go to EVs, but not 100% of all Americans can charge at home to enjoy that benefit. And the country is moving towards housing options that are not as EV charger friendly, so as years go by less and less Americans will have this benefit.
Guilbeault, on transparency, of course not, we will not inform the consumer on cold weather distances and so on, charging station rates,….. we want people to buy electric car no matter what, people will absorb the hiccups and wrinkles 😢
I’ve owned a Tesla model 3 for the last 4 1/2 years and never had a problem with charging on road trips and at home. Spending like 60 bucks a month in charging on average.
@@debbiekonkin5768 Lol, another user error story. You couldn't have figured out that before you dropped 10s of thousands of dollars on on the Lightning? EV range is already very sensitive on a normal vehicle getting 400km, what did you think was going to happen if you to tow a boat with an EV truck? The Lightning is obviously best for city contractors needing to tow gear and construction material.
@@debbiekonkin5768 The Lightning has a gigantic battery and garbage charging capacity. Peak 150 kW charging is pretty slow for DC fast charging. If you had waiting to pay for it until a few reviewers had discussed it, you would have seen that you would be spending a lot of time charging. The Kia EV9 should have much faster charging capacity - as long as you have 1) one of the fairly uncommon 350 kW charging bays and 2) a pull through charger. I have seen both in Sullivan MO but I don't think they are that common yet, unfortunately. If Tesla ramps up the cybertruck, with its fast charging, as starts installing their V4 chargers in a pull through set up, it will be much better for towing. That won't be handy just for towing a trailer, but also for being accessible to all manufacturer's cars, since the charging ports are all over and being able to pull the car in either side would help.
@martalli not sure about the states. But in Canada, road tax is built in the price of fuel. I'm sure it won't be long before that's added to people's hydro bills
GM is presenting a bill in US congress where not only no one but GM Service Centers will be allowed to work on your vehicles, they also want to shut down sales of aftermarket parts, so if you own GM vehicle, you will only be able to buy parts from GM dealership, the bill is expected to be lobbied heavily, therefore it may pass.
@SkylarkTorch They are trying to take a page out of Tesla, as Tesla already does that. Also if GM is successful, obviously other companies will file same requests, and they'll have to be granted, government can't grant it to one manufacturer but not the others.
I absolutely love my electric car. Not only is there less maintenance, but because everyone around these parts of North Carolina turns their nose up at them, I was able to get an extremely good deal on one that had been on the dealer's lot for almost a month. If you have a short commute, don't listen to the negative people with no clue. Do your own research and make your own decision. You will likely find that a cheap, 20k electric car with 150 miles of range or so will work well for a lot of people.
Just love how you said a problem that a Tesla charger I’ve had my Tesla for three years now and have never seen this problem. Seen a couple down chargers had to wait a few minutes one time but for the most part 99.9% of the time I’ve just plugged in charged and gone.
@@bigglyguy8429 This reminds me to call my credit card company since it decline to authorize a payment to fill up for gas yesterday. Do I blame the gas station or the credit card? Is this a similar infrastructure problem they mention when it comes to EV charging?
@@myleghurts3546 I know nothing about the process of charging but I would think that a car left to charge at a charging station for an hour or more wouldn't be much more in danger of theft than a car left in a massive parking lot at a major mall for an hour or more. If a thief saw someone get out of a car and start walking 80 metres to go into a huge shopping center with over 100 stores that thief would know that the person is very likely not coming back to their car for a long time and it seems that it doesn't take long to steal a car. Or for another example, a thief seeing people leaving cars in the morning at a commuter parking lot at a subway station or commuter train station knows that almost all the people leaving their cars there are going to work and won't be back for at least 8-10 hours.
I cannot help but think they were digging through plugshare trying to find a charging site with problems. I have also never seen a Tesla supercharging site with that going on, in a year of driving, including some long distance driving. Let's note that the worst 'down charger' Tesla site they could find had three blocks spots while something like 9 chargers were open and in use.
? maybe in a leaf which doesn't have active cooling. I've been through Arizona a half dozen times in temps over 110 with my Tesla and never had an issue.
I’ve driven our ten-year old Tesla for most of its life through SoCal, Arizona, and Nevada with no issue. The problem you’re mentioning is mostly with Nissan’s LEAF, which is long-known to have a battery notoriously bad at longevity, charging, and BMS. The LEAF should have been pulled from the market a decade ago, or at the very least, be barred from being sold in any location where it regularly gets above 90° F. There’s almost nothing good about a LEAF, except being able to pick a low-mileage used one for less than 4k to be used for local commutes only and only charged at home or at work. Stopping to charge a LEAF anywhere else is a genuine PITA.
For clarity, I don’t mean to sound like I’m picking on the LEAF, but if Nissan had updated its battery chemistry, it’s BMS, its cooling, and its access to CCS years ago, it would be a much better vehicle.
I have two Teslas in Arizona and have also had zero issues over my 3+ years. The only thing I dislike about them in the heat is the glass roof. I wish they had a non-glass "base" option or something.
@@JustinAZ Two telslas? You're 100% committed to this, no matter what, so no amount of logic and common sense will ever get through. 3+ years...I'm guessing one of the cars is just over 3, and the other is new. Let's talk in 5-7 years
- Get rid of the need for an application to charge your car! 🚫📱 Allow consumers to pay with cash or credit. 💵💳 - I absolutely agree that Winter Highway Battery Range should be absolutely standard. ❄🔋 Steven should not even be remotely doubting "feasibility" if he wants Canadians switching to all-electric cars. 😐 Canadians need to know the absolute truth about Winter Range. ❄ - Billing per kilowatt hour should be the Federal standard. 🍁 💵⚡ - More technicians qualified for electric vehicle, and charging infrastructure, as well as greater availability for these parts. 🛠⚡
@@mikesouthworth Not all of us live in big cities with transit and clear bike paths in winter. Having no car in a small town means either calling a taxi or walking. And no, there's no Uber/whatever around here.
Say what you will about Teslas (build quality, price, customer service, etc) but they have the most reliable charging network right now, especially if you plan on doing road trips. That was definitely a major factor in why I bought a MY over something like the Leaf or Mach E, etc.
"It's an emerging sector so, of course, there are going to be wrinkles....". To put it plainly, every single one of these EV's and the way they charge is EXPERIMENTAL. We just bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid rated at 50 mpg (21.25 kpl) and we do not have to worry about driving 50 km out of the way just to charge it. EV's vs vehicles you can rely on. I choose reliabilty.
I've owned an EV for the past 3 months now. I was a little nervous because I didn't have any home charging at all, I live in an apartment so it is not an option at all. Yet I havn't had any issues. I'm lucky to have a reliable fast charging station infront of a target so I charge up once a week while I grocery shop for the week. if that one isn't working for whatever reason there are 3 other chargers within the same distance. Its basically been treated like a gas car that has to go to a gas station but it takes 30 minutes to charge from empty to full instead of 5 minutes. Road trips have been fine too. it does 250 miles on a full charge, 100 miles less than my Civic Si would do but far more comfortable and the breaks to charge for 20 minutes after every 3 hours of driving was less of an inconvenience and more of a way to take a break. EV's are not for everyone and the charging networks need to get their stuff together up north for sure. Im sure my time would be even better if I could charge at home but I've been enjoying my experience.
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That’s a comment that makes sense to me. Home charging is very important. As we ramp up EV adoption, we need to install charging connectors or at least charging outlets for every parking spots in condos and in the street. This is how we will move to a cleaner future. The EV vehicles are good enough today, with Tesla and China we already know the vehicles won’t be the problem.
You're making some of this stuff up! It is true that the range information is inaccurate at highway speeds. But it is not true that you would get a speed reduction request in a Tesla RWD between Pickering and Ottawa unless you turned off the charger planning enroute. The car simply routes you to a charger - and it does this accurately with regard to temperature and even head or tailwind. There are at least ten Tesla chargers between Pickering and Ottawa (I checked). I have driven the same model from Victoria, BC to Twillingate, NL with none of the anxiety you describe. Why are you reporting this imaginary concern. And how accurate is the number of km your ICE car says are in the gas tank against changing temperatures and winds?
Funny how all of these don't even address another huge problem. Scrapping these EVs. Teslas make up a big portion of car crashes in recent years and when they get in a small accident, They could be written off due to the battery being a part of the chassis. And when that happens, they become extremely unstable and could catch fire at any moment. That's why they are often parked so far apart in scrap yards. Not to say that EVs are necessarily bad but just like Akio Toyoda mentioned, customers should have the option to choose what fits their needs. EVs are not a "one size fits all" solution.
People need to stop and think of the realestate required if all vehicles are electric. A fast charge is still 45 minutes for the equivalent 5 minute fill up of gas. 9 times the amount of charging bays compared to gas filling bays, and that is the fastest charging tech.
Locally officials here are trying to grapple with those who don't have driveways. Are we going to allow massive cables across sidewalks at night to charge EV's
Looks to me that gas pumps take up way more space. EV chargers sit at the head of parking lot spaces. A non-issue.
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It’s the opposite. Most EV owners charge at home on their driveway. For example, the stats over a year in my Tesla app show that I charged 85% at home, 12% at superchargers, and 3% at other locations.
@@j.barren3738 In 2019, about 92% of electricity in Ontario was produced from zero-carbon sources: 59% from nuclear, 24% from hydroelectricity, 8% from wind, and 1% from solar. Ontario has about 38.45% of the Canadian population while Québec has 22.98%. With over 40 850 MW of installed hydroelectric capacity, hydropower generates 94% of Quebec’s electricity. Québec has 22.98% of the Canadian population. That means only looking at Ontario and Québec, nearly 57% of Canadians use clean electricity. There's probably at least another 10 to 20% Canadians using clean energy from all other provinces combined, you can look it up yourself.
Also, another point I would like to make about electric vehicles. To achieve the best possible charging experience if the electric vehicle and I’ll use Tesla as an example knows that you’re heading to a charging location so you would pick a charging location on the map. The computer will precondition the batteryand optimize the travel so that not only you can reach the supercharger but also the battery will be warm enough in the winter time to accept the fastest possible charge. It’s not a perfect technology, but compared to other OEMs. Tesla has the best battery management system in the industry.
Most other EVs do this as well. Rivian, Kia, Ford do at least for sure. Probably all of them. Some even allow you to just manually start the preconditioning without it trying to "guess" based off your GPS destination.
@@nephetula - if you’re constantly relying on only supercharging, as that’s your only means of charging the vehicle then yes, over long period of time you could suffer battery degradation. What’s funny is people run out to purchase an EV without doing the proper research. It does take a bit of education, and I guess it would be great if there was a common neutral source of information that clearly defines what the current electric vehicle charging and expectations are. Our society has been so used to gas and go. That going to an electric vehicle much like it was back in the day going from a horse and buggy to a combustion engine. It took some time for those folks to make the transition I believe our electric vehicle infrastructure is somewhere between the horse and buggy stage or better yet, the gas and electric stage. I truly believe we will get there. It’s just gonna take a little more time. And for those who have chosen to embrace the new technology, really need to ensure that they educate themselves, so that they are best prepared and get the best possible experience.
@@RealElectech I have a Bolt EUV and that thing doesn't know anything about preconditioning the battery before getting to a charger. Since it cannot charge faster than 60 kW I guess it does not really matter. However, I have to second the idea that Tesla has been making competent EVs for a decade and has much less of the serious faux paus that other manufacturers have experienced, whether it is software (VW) or AC Charging failures (Hyundai/Kia)
Linking charging stations to the grid is a simple process. Even creating an automatic charging pad when you park is possible. Paying charging stations are just another way that companies can rip you off. If the federal government wants the entire country to drive electric, the infrastructure needs to be changed to provide automatic charging. It will cost billions, work it into cars sales or insurance rates. The tech will improve, don’t let this report stop you from buying a hybrid or EV if you can charge at your residence.
The price of EV is freaking expensive. Also, the price of battery replacement of EV is almost equal to brand new car. Unless there's significant change in EV tech where the price of EV is equal or less than ICE , and the price of EV battery gets dirt chip, around 5 grand, I don't think people will switch to EVs.
Did anyone else notice that there was no mention of how easy and dependable it was to use a Tesla charger. That trip was a farce. Anyone that owns an electric vehicle Knows your range would be cut and make sure they used a charger in between their origin and destination. Personally I drove from St Catharines Ontario to Alamagordo New Mexico and back with no issues along the way except for slowing down to reach my next charger a couple times. On the way back if I thought that would happen I would just program in a closer charger which was very simple. I will agree that public charging stations are charging way too much and no inconsistency in pricing . I know I payed over 5 times what I would pay at home for charging during off peak hours and around 4 time the cost of home charging during on peak hours.
My wife has commuted to Ottawa from rural Renfrew County (140 km) for a couple years now on her 2020 Bolt we bought really cheap. She's never used a public charger because our home charger delivers only 16 amps @ 220 volts, and it covers her 140 km commute with lots of range left when she comes home and plugs in. I was jealous, so I bought myself a used 2023 Bolt EUV this year and I'm only using level 1 charging and that's fine for me. Winter here in a Bolt with -20 C temps will lower your range from 400km at full range to around 300 km. Due to the 140km commute, that's excessive anyway, so I have both cars set to charge at a max of 80%. But that's no issue. We just plug it in once we get home. Maybe someday one of us will try a public charger if we go on a road trip. There is no way I'd go back to driving ICE. EVs are just so much fun to drive.
My EV will tell you, when you punch in the destination, how much battery % will be remaining when you reach it. If it's further than the range of the battery, it will look for places to charge. So you don't actually have to do that math. Again, some manufacturers are *very* optimistic with their stated range. They do this for marketing purposes, but it's not very ethical IMO. That brand is the famous mentioned in this CBC piece.
19:50 Pretty annoying that the environment minister doesn't know/understand the proper unit of energy. Yes it's a common error people make, but it's still a very significant and problematic error, something that a high level official should know about.
The Canadian public would like to see choices in the type of vehicle we drive we would like to see car that have always worked the way they are supposed to work. Fill it up and drive it until it's low on fuel and repeat. EVs don't provide this especially in the cold Canadian winters.
I expected a lot better from Marketplace. No, the feds don't want us all driving EVs. Firstly, gas/diesel-only vehicles are not being banned in 2035; you can drive yours as long as you want. Secondly, as of 2035, hydrogen, gas/electric hybrids, and full EVs may still be sold.
In 2035 the sale of NEW gas/diesel vehicles is most certainly banned....thus forcing manufacturers to transition their manufacturing process LONG before that date. You may not be prevented from driving an older gas vehicles in 2035, however, eventually those grandfathered vehicles will be extremely uneconomical to drive due to an ever increasing carbon tax and no replacement parts being manufactured. Thankfully, this extremist Liberal government and its "proud socialist" Environment Minster will be long gone by 2035 and some common sense will be returned to power prior to 2035 in time to scrap this mandate.
Are you that thick to not see the impacts direct and indirect consequences. This government has failed at everything they touch because they never move forward with a well thought-out plan. Ideology over substance.
Been driving an EV for 5 years, never going back to ICE. Every morning full battery, starts every time in the cold, at ultra low rates $5.00 per 1000km, no oil changes, no exhaust system, brakes last for ever, gas stations are for a pee and a snack.
5 years?? Lol. Wait another 5 and let us know how you feel when you spend another $20K for a new battery. But it's okay. All the gas money you saved in those ten years should cover the cost of that new battery...😂
@@OU81TWO After 5 years my range loss is 5%, has not changed much in the last 2 years. You missed the 1 in front of the 5, so far all the studies with data from 1000s of EV’s show at 750,000km I will still have 80% of my range left.
Yes the infra is not great right now, but neither was gas stations during the days of the model T in the 1910s. Everyone needs to calm down. The reporter is suggesting that what we have today is what we have 10 years from now, which is ridiculous. When it comes to technology, especially Canadians, we don’t have a clue to envision the future. Things will get better exponentially, just like they did for computers in the 90s, cell phones in the 2000s, etc. If you don’t like EVs, don’t buy till you’re ready. Simple as that.
@@ScubaSteveCanada Or, as many hotels do, they use fact that there is charging as a selling point. Get a room and free night charging! People with EVs look for this options. But even with fees, it is ok, no problem there, unless they are not crazy high.
I agree that we can’t call EVs as alternative to ICE cars for now. Right now EVs are for people who want to drive EV and spend some time investigating them. Customers who use EVs as device to get from point A to point B - they will not be happy. It’s not for everyone yet 🤷♂️
my person experience... I own a Tesla and a gas truck. have only had the Telsa since May 2023. Took it to Montreal in November (temperature ranged from 7 to 3 degrees from Toronto to Montreal). Range told me while leaving I would need to charge once. Needed to charge 3 (almost 4) times, turned off the heat, stopped charging my phone and made it to Montreal with about 20%. On the way home, I got stuck between charges and had to charge at a non-Tesla charger and that is a horror story in its self. Don't get me wrong, car is well worth it - not visiting gas stations ever, no oil changes or regular maintenance, car is serviced when needed in my driveway (had a seatbelt fault that needed to be adjusted). while using for regular daily or short trips is 100% worth it. Will I take it on a longer trip in the summer - yes, will I take it on a longer trip in the winter - no.
@shootfergus, did you enter your destination into the nav or did you just start driving, go by the "rated range", and hope to find a charger once you got close to empty? I've had a Telsa model 3 for 4.5 years now, and my experience is VERY different. I always enter the destination into the nav, then the car analyzes the route and tells me where to charge, how much battery I'll have at each stop, how long to charge at each stop, and it's VERY accurate. I drive from Ajax to Sudbury several times a year and have had zero problems when doing it that way.
@@andrewdowdall2690 here's my trip in a nutshell (I have a feeling I know that issue and it's the new battery type) I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100% Destination was entered in the Nav Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120 During the trip - Nav moved stop from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20% What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather. Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery? Side notes: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger. I live in Pickering and drive to the office (downtown Toronto) on a regular basis... in the summer I would go from 100% and arrive at 88 to 89%, now in the winter (if you want to call this winter) I am arriving at work at 78 to 79%
Don't worry about charging your phone. That doesn't come from the main battery and your phone will sip. I typically am comfortable driving down to 10%. It's just something to get used to.
my reply seem to be blocked so re-uploading I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100% Destination was entered in the Nav Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120 During the trip - Nav moved from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20% What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather. Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery? Side note: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger.
It took approx 80 yrs for ICE cars to be developed to the point of good reliability and safety that was affordable to the general public.Govt`s are trying to introduce millions of Ev`s in 5 or so yrs that should be the same standard,or better.It`s not going to happen.The public are not going to buy,or lease a car that could burn your house down with your family inside,even if the chances of that happening are extremely low.EV`s are still in the experimental stage, and the public don`t want to be part of the experiment.
Gas cars have a 100x higher chance of catching fire though compared to gas, America insurance listed that out of 100k EVs, only 52 caught fire, but for gas and hybrids it's 5.2k, you can't say that EVs will burn your house down when you gas car will do the same with a 100x higher chance bruh
@@ParvTubeHD risk measured as the product of likelihood and impact. You only account for the likelihood but there is an impact component that blows that risk out of proportion. It s very difficult to put out lithium fires. And FD cannot do it efficiently yet. Thats why some insurance companies do not want to cover cases with eva charging in your garage
Own a ID.4 with a heat pump, drove to Ottawa from Toronto (this past December) on one 45 minute charge @ electrify Canada station - free charge since they have a deal with VW(4 years free charging). Cost me nothing for that drive
@@christopherhwee3286 wow you must have a high paying job to have enough disposable income to save enough in a year to buy a vehicle with a $48,495 to $61,495 MSRP
It costs you the price of driving and looking at that atrocious vehicle. A used gas car is still way cheaper and doesn't require 45 minutes to fill up.
Yeah, when they work ev's are just better cars, especially in day to day use. But the industry is still in it's infancy and in a lot of areas there is still the chicken and egg problem. Tech is rapidly getting better, infrastructure is rapidly improving. It will simply take a few years before things smooth themselves out to a point where they make sense for everyone. Things will only get better from here forward. Programs like this are trying to put them into the role they are not expexted to fullfill for another decade. That is why the goal is set at 2035 and not 2025.
Shouldn’t these companies be paying us for our time to wait at the charging stations? Every hour we wait! After hall our time is money right? What am I supposed to do for the wait as the car charges?
How about interviewing people who represent the vast majority of people who love their evs and have excellent ev ownership experiences. I loved my ford evs, Kia Ev and Tesla ev my wife and I have owned.
That's great and your choice. Mandating that everyone must purchase an EV is not only ridiculous it's anti free choice. However you look at it EV's have many negatives. The infrastructure will never support millions of EV's plugged in simultaneously. They will never fare well in extreme cold either. The Liberals have made a bad investment with VW and Stellantis (approx. 26 Billion) to build 2 Auto battery plants. The bust is already underway.
@@st.k.4528 There is no country mandating that you MUST purchase an EV after 2035. Light duty cars, trucks and SUVs must be hybrids, electric or hydrogen-powered by 2035 in Canada. However, you can still keep your ICE vehicles and buy and sell them. If 11 years from now you can find anyone who wants them. Take it from an actual EV owner, every year, fewer and fewer folks are going to want to throw money away due to the inefficiency of ICE vehicles. Once the average driver sees how much you actually save with an EV and how much nicer the driving experience is, that will be the nail in the coffin. How many folks are still using their rotary dial phones, horse drawn carriages and console TVs?
Long range Teslas are fantastic and you must charge at the Tesla Supercharger. If you don't do this, it's not going to work well. Problem is it's not cheap. With the Tesla, you need to follow the charging recommendation .. so to take it to a FLO or IVY charger is absolutely wrong. The car would have told you to go to a supercharger along the way (and there are plenty of them).
THIS! i don't think she turned on SC notifications on the navigation at the first drive to Ottawa!! If she did it would have told her to charge along the way!
Expect electricity cost to double but more than likely triple by 2035 if they go though with this. People will have to choose to charge their car or heat their home. They will use the excuse of infrastructure costs but these costs will have already been paid to these companies by taxpayers through subsidies. Taxpayers will also likely have to pay to put charging stations in remote areas and long stretches of highways since profitability will be low for companies to do it if they have to put in the infrastructure.
I think my main issue with this is the testing was mostly for large metropolitan cities and travel between them. Take BC for instance, if you go North of Kamloops, yes there are "some" charging stations the more North you go, but they're 25-100kw charging (hours to charge to 80%) and can be maybe 2-3 stations at a time to share with. Hardly the 350kw fast charging network (15mins~) we need to make a travel network possible and tesla stations seem to stop showing up the more north you go as well. Honestly for those who need to travel or need to make visits going north than the major cities, you're likely still better off with a gas or a hybrid car/suv/truck. The foundation and maintenance is barely in place functionally for the major population centers, and when you're spending $50-100k+ for electric vehicles, not being able to go where you want, especially without the 15min DC 350kw fast charging, I see electric as nothing more than a rich person's spare vehicle for city commuting, not something I want for "road trips" or god forbid from what reviews have shown between Ford, Tesla and Rivian that their trucks are terrible at towing/hauling distance (less than a 1/4 of advertised distance).
Also, lately media has been covering this as well, but $20k-$60k for replacement batteries in cars in absurd, practically the price of vehicles so unless we start forcing companies to make these vehicles have modular, better swappable batteries for maintenance, these vehicles will be scrap every 5-10 years or whenever a minor repair is needed to the battery packs. I shudder to be the customers who get sticker shock paying for a new battery just cause a rock dented/punctured their battery pack somehow like some are being talked about. Insurance wont even touch it with a 10' pole, just write them off or not even cover them in some places.
And in other breaking news, hammers don't make good wrenches. EVs are fine for the vast majority of global driving. The average driving done by more than 80% of the world is approx. 60-80km per day. Almost every EV on the market can tackle that. If you need 500km per day. You need a different tool. This ain't rocket science.
@@grandemage Replacement batteries are now in the $4-6000 range. Like all new tech, replacement parts were expensive at first but dropped very low as soon as there was a little market penetration. Remember the cost of memory for early PCs - or PCs themselves. My first PC in 1995 cost more than a top of the line laptop today and a memory upgrade of 80MB was $200!
Experience most of this with Tesla and other EV cars when my Tesla is in the shop and rented an EV or Gas car. But Tesla has less issues and much faster services but I always full charge everyday at home before I go anywhere unless I go on a road trip
You get about 420kms per charge? Crazy. Not to mention having to charge it at a location and find out they don’t work or having to wait for one to be available. Imagine if you’re in an emergency and you don’t have enough charge in the battery to get to where you have to go. I would go hybrid, but would not ever switch to either. Imagine the repairs on them. This would set you way back and if your on a tight budget your screwed. Stick to gas.
All going for the car lobbying in Canada.Why politics do not invest more in public transportation???Canada falls behind a lot of developed countries on public infrastructures regarding transportation!
Nevermind the EV supply chain issue and battery technology issues, repair issues. One key point NOBODY has been talking about is. Our electric grid! In downtown Toronto right now the grid can NOT support additional load. And this is further exacerbated by relentless condo blooming that's adding more load to an aging and insufficiently provisioned power grid! CBC needs to look into that as well!
This is the fundamental thing everyone's missing. There's no way to triple grid capacity to keep up with demand by 2030, let alone multiply it even further to accommodate every car being electric after 2035. It's absolutely ridiculous to expect we can do that, and nobody understands how anything works except the utilities and tradespeople. Guilbeault is so far removed from that he's like a 10 year-old trying to dictate how the solar system should be managed to astronauts and physicists.
I don’t know about whether the TH-cam version of this episode showed her ending up at her destination. I bet she did and didn’t have nearly the amount of anxiety that she seemed to show in a few second clip.
Poor piece, I agree based on the vehicles available today, non Teslas without NACS should have range anxiety due to a poor/unreliable charging network. A Tesla going Toronto to Ottawa should not. Most people would take a break for 10-15 mins on the way even in a gas car. Take a break at one of the 10 superchargers that tend to be conveniently located near the highway and near food.
It's not range anxiety here in NS it's charger anxiety I think most EV owners are comfortable doing the math to know how far they can go. We have few DC chargers and they are hit or miss on whether they work or not. All but maybe 2 in the province are just 50kW chargers and aside from Petrocan that normally has 2, the others only have one charger! Really bad here if you are planning on road tripping to NS.
No kidding. Talking about a Leaf being bad on a long trip as some sort of general experience? Will they next try and take a Chevy Trax through a rainforest and then conclude that SUVs are no good off road?
Currently, they're so deeply embedded in the chassis that you need to rip the car apart to get to them, and they're glued together (for waterproofing) to the extent they're unserviceable. We're no closer to batteries being swappable than gas tanks. The tech's also in such an early stage that batteries are all totally different, from chemistry to form factor to configuration. You can't standardise what's undergoing rapid development and experimentation.
This Marketplace on EVs other than Tesla. In my time driving my MY, I have never had any issue with charging infrastructure. I would never go back to an ICE. Range is not an issues in the winter.
Anyone remember the rush to light bulbs that could not even be manufactured in Canada because they were full of mercury? Yes well, EV's are the new version of another government boondoggle. Question: What is the environmental footprint of an electric vehicle including the mining and disposal of raw materials for the batteries? Can anyone just be honest here????
Yes ... same as an ICE vehicle. The batteries when done for EVs can be repurposed for static use. When done for static use they are recycled. Do you think those millions upon millions of junked lead acid batteries are doing wonders in the land fills?
Good point regarding existing batteries - my real concern is that there is far too little data on net gain for the environment and we have a history of rushing to judgement.@@ScubaSteveCanada
@@ScubaSteveCanada Well, you need some education buddy. Most EVs also have lead acid batteries just like conventional ICE vehicles, and the lead acid battery tend to be short lived in the EVs because the charging system is not as mature and reliable as ICE cars. Ironic isn't it? Especially when it's the best argument that you have and the reality is the complete opposite.
Contented Tesla owner here, I've only had great experiences 2.5 years into ownership. One of the most important aspects of purchasing an EV is the charging infrastructure. Do your homework and you'll be happy. End up with a vehicle that is reliant on third-party, slow charging stations and the owner is likely to be dissatisfied.
Did you know that Norway have chargers at gas stations? We have come a long way in 10 years. Better batteries will come. Regulation will come. In the meantime maybe asking the major gas companies to spend some of their record profits on a few chargers might not be a bad idea.
After a horrible road trip experience here in Australia circa 3000 mile trip, due to broken chargers, other ev drivers hogging the chargers charging to 100%, my next car is going to be a petrol car.
Most people who think about EV’s live in highly populated areas where pollution matters, what about rural communities? I have never seen a charger where I live so how are we supposed to charge a vehicle? I drive a heavy duty pickup which is diesel powered, I don’t drive a car because it’s useless to me on our dirt roads, plus it won’t carry things I need during the day. Hybrids would make sense as long as they are in the vehicles we need.
There is no real environmental benefit of Electric vehicles and may never be felt as their production alone creates up to 70 per cent of more of emissions than petrol equivalents. Cobalt powered batteries are worse for the environment than liquid and natural gas and nuclear power. Batteries alone for the electric cars are environmentally inefficient and acidic.
I mean, this was definitely a very informative segment, but it’s also definitely blown out of proportion. Literally nine out of 10 of the EV drivers that I know, have never had a problem with range or charging. It’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but with gas powered vehicles, there is also a myriad of things that can happen. 😊😊😊😊
Saskatchewan has a whopping 10 tesla charging stations across the entire province which is roughly the size of texas. And most of those are only along major highways. So its pretty useless for a lot of people there
Yeah supposing that right now the cars functioned at optimal levels, charging stations worked consistently at a regulated price system, the power grid still could not uphold this new add on onto the infrastructure. And btw, -20 is just regular cold. Not extreme cold. -35 and below is extreme cold. Very surprised the CBC aired this piece. Somebody is gona get fire for sure 😂
In my experience, the main concern with my electric vehicle wasn't its range, given that I primarily used it for city driving. Rather, my primary issue centered on battery longevity. For instance, my Smart ED's battery failed after just 5 years and approximately 60,000 kilometers. The replacement cost for its small 16 kWh battery pack amounted to $15,000. Consequently, I had no choice but to discard an otherwise impeccable vehicle.
@@Jetstreamer0 You say bye bye to EV's, buy a second hand petrol car that will last more the 5 years, and won't with regular maintenance cost you £15,000 (I'm english)...
@@bomberbinz Yes you must be British, they are called gas(oline) powered cars here. And good advice, electric vehicles have a very long way to go before most of us would even consider them and these stories don't help
A *lot* is going to change by 11 years time. There is *massive* interest in new battery chemistry from academic, industrial and political sides of the problem. The battery technology we have now will seem like iPhone 1.0 compared to what's available in 2035. EVs will also provide a massive incentive to upgrade and expand the electrical grid. Because every dollar invested in the grid gets _both_ a cleaner grid _and_ cleaner transportation. Internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles have never done and _will never_ will provide this incentive. A cleaner expanded electrical grid is what is required anyways for longer term goals of decarbonization across many other sectors. Continued use of ICE just drives us further in the climate problem and further enables OPEC and oil despots like Putin that weaponize fossil fuels whenever he feels like it.
I found this video to be misleading with minimal useful info, painting a generally negative picture. Just ordered a 2024 Model 3 RWD. Home charging costs $0.0495/kwh where we live,
Retired petroleum engineer and wife living in the oil/gas stronghold of Edmond, Oklahoma. Seeing a lot of Teslas here these days as the supercharger network expands. OGE winter rates for any additional power beyond the minimal threshold are set at $0.0495/kwh regardless of time of day. Summer rates for each additional kwh are $0.0831. We are still surrounded by ICE lovers. I suspect our new model 3 will shock all of them, and convince them to reevaluate the situation.
I live up in Kirkland lake area and saw a guy recently who had to get his Tesla towed back to his home in North Bay because of no infrastructure. 1 charger in town and it never works. Extreme cold kills these things.
omg, so funny to see her stop at a ivy station with the model 3. The whole thing is being set up so dramaticaly, the car navigation was probably pointing to various tesla supercharger on her way, where she would just have need to stop 10-12 minutes to be good enought to reach ottawa, basicly a bathroom break.
I wonder if there was a similar situation finding gas stations back when we transitioned from horses to internal combustion, I would imagine so. It will take time for sure but we’ll get there eventually, it will however based on this report take some time. Very good informative well presented video.
Oil companies had an incentive to build gas stations to sell their product. Car manufacturers, other than Tesla, don't build charging stations. Also, extra gasoline can easily be taken on a trip where there are not gas stations. Try to do that with an electric car. Governments mandate things without solving problems; they expect someone else to solve the problems.
Here's the difference: The CONSUMERS chose cars over horses as cars became a better alternative for them than the horse. With EV's the consumer is being forced to go with an EV regardless of their needs.
@@Incomudro1963 Yes interesting comment, here in Australia some states are actually trying pass legislation to add extra tax on EV buyers! I’m not sure what the future will hold for us here as far as going electric is concerned, we have long distance travel and very limited charging options as far as public charging. I guess if you live in the city and can charge from home it would be fine, I review motorcycles on my channel and am yet to see an electric one at any function I have attended. In saying that I have received emails from riders requesting I review electric motorcycles, these emails are becoming more frequent so I guess there’s an interest there. Well one thing for sure, the future of transportation is going to be very interesting.
The one major issue in this video is that it doesn't show them using any of teslas supercharging stations which would avoid these problems. The tesla hate is real, even when they make things a lot easier...
Yeah, I’d love to see Miss Technician try to rebuild the stater or diagnose the motor. Give me a break. As for the reporter….seeking out third party charging stations when superchargers are available is idiotic.
I live in Los Angeles. They power off our electricity in the summer occasionally when there is too much draw on the system. My friend works for edison company and says they don't have enough employees to maintain the current grid, let alone build new infrastructure. I have a friend whos electric vehicle that has been in the shop for 8 months because it keeps glitching.
I own the cheapest Tesla since 2019, and have driven MTLTO, MTLOTT, multiple times and all along the st-lawrence in Quebec, and done summer trips to the east coast. In five years, I have never gotten stuck, but it took a while to understand. You can't just rent a car for a day or you'll do goofy stuff like what is in the report. One problem in this report, which I guess a lot of people might think at first, is that "Range" is some kind of useful real-world information. It's how long the car will go at 50 miles/hour... (aka 80 km/h) on flat terrain with no wind in the summer. That is what the test says. and that's if it's pure highway, not combined (which for EV's, makes it even less accurate.) If you want to know how far your car will go on a trip you're going to make, you need to look at: headwind/tailwind?, is it snowing or raining? how hard, do you need heating or AC? how cold is the battery to start with? are you doing charging stops? etc... Nobody does that. Nobody needs to, they just enter the destination in the screen, and that car takes those things into account, and also based on your recent driving, and will give a pretty good guess at your range on that trip, and suggest where to charge if you need to. Oh, and it will guide you around traffic jams also. The Range numbers are for doing apples to apples between different makes when shopping and is completely useless as a number for driving. if you're running at 120 km/h then you would take a 30% hit to fuel economy (electric or gas.) vs. what the rating says. Nobody's cheating... it's just physics. Air resistance means it's takes that much more energy to move the car. Your "range" went from 400km to 300km just like that. Use the car's screen, and you won't be surprised.
Why is there no information about tesla prices and how many stations there was problems with? If 4 stalls where out on a 20 stall tesla station and they were repairing when you got there. I would say that is pretty good.
One of the worst parts that wasn’t even mentioned was that you need AN APP FOR LIKE EVERY DIFFERENT CHARGER!! Imagine needing that to pump gas?!?? An esso, petro, shell, husky app or you CANT FILL UP!!
no kidding hey!
That’s not such a big deal.
@@GoSolarPlz yea but what if your not technology literate? Like it’s easy for some, but maybe others would find this very challenging or just don’t have the know how or access
@@colby6472 it’s super simple. The apps are good. The Tesla one requires no app to charge. Plug in. Charge as much as you want. Unplug when you’re done. Drive away. Credit card billed automatically
@@colby6472 plus non Tesla chargers have screens that walk you through everything
The government needs to mandate billing per kwh. Billing by time is completely unacceptable.
@@Niko-iv4ch Nope it's the same in Quebec.
I agree, they should bill by kw/h, because it's fair. Some more affordable cars charge slower then pricier cars, so billing by hours cost more if you have a cheap car, which is highly unfair. The reason for billing by hour is so people don't leave their car plugged all day so to free up charging stations for other cars to charge, they bill by time. They should implement a hybrid billing solution. A battery charges fastest between 10% and 80% that part should be charged by kw/h, and by minutes for everything else. The reason is, it takes more time to go from 80 to 100% then 10 to 80%. That wold be a bit more fair.
@@Niko-iv4chIIRC there were similar laws in certain USA jurisdictions, something to do with you couldn’t sell by kWh unless you were a utility company. Therefore they have to charge you based on a service rendered.
@@Mountain-Viking Circuit électrique will convert to kWh billing shortlyl. The regulation governing their rates was published by the Quebec government last November.
@@Mountain-Viking I think fair would be for it to bill based on both energy transferred in (kWh) and time. That way people who's cars can charge faster don't pay more than they should and people who leave their car plugged in after it's done charging would pay a penalty for keeping the charger occupied needlessly.
Or, charger providers could provide a certain amount of time after the charging is finished before billing for time used, to give people a small buffer where they have some time to come back and collect their car before it starts billing them for time again.
the moment Steven Guilbeault said "your sample is a very small one" says it all about the government.
It always feels like these ministers have no clue about the edicts they issue.
Your not gonna find very many superchargers in northern Canada maybe US
Isn’t this always the case for the Trudeau government? 😅
Trust your feelings. It's most likely the case.
At least it's entertaining watching the edicts run into the brick wall of reality.
He knows exactly what's he's talking about actually,this video is just carrying an agenda.
The main issue was finding working charging stations but notice how much time was spent on ones that work versus 3rd party faulty ones?
Range in cold is no longer a huge issue,just like with a gas car you use more gas on the a/c not enough to have legal mile change posting.......
Winter highway battery range test as a standard, legal requirement for auto manufacturers ✅
Also totally agree with this.
Gas cars too.
@@sfkjbgbut we know gas cars actually work lol 😅
If the battery gets too cold, it won't charge at all.
It's a non issue now that electric cars have heat pumps.
I have an EV and live in a colder climate. I do have to adjust my driving during the winter but made a 90 mile round trip with no issues and the temp outside was 5F.
While I agree with points brought up, I noticed the person that was happy with his EV and said no issues got maybe 5 sec of time. I am the first to say EVs are not for everyone and have their limitations but I wish when these reports are made they included more advantages and show people who love their EV
charging issues in an "emerging market" is like sitting at a gas station with "no gas"
Big issue: Too excited about the product, people are buying the idea too quickly before any real-time testing
He just admitted electric vehicles are not ready for anyone expecting a mature market
For EVs your house is the gas station. Your car needs electricity, your house has electricity and it's already billed to you. Condo's and apartments are getting them installed too, albeit very slowly. Basically the only situation where you need a "gas station" is on a road trip
@@fallere5125You're out of touch.
Home ownership is out of reach of many people. So that can't be the gas station you want us to believe it is.
Apartments and condos are not and will not roll out the level of charging needed to make your dream work. Between service upgrades needed and the potential grid impact, those apartments and condos won't be the gas station you want them to be.
As to being on the road, again, it's a cool dream but not everyone wants to take one pre-defined route east west in Canada. The infrastructure isn't there for unfettered mobility. It will never be there.
At the end of the day you need to realize how elitist you sound when you handwave serious concerns around integrating EVs into a working class paradigm. They will never work for them.
Especially when they have perfectly good thrifty and paid off ICE vehicles which suffer none of the shortcomings and limitations listed above.
Pull the other one and tell me that the guy or gal spending half their monthly wages on rent needs to finance a 45000 dollar electric pimple on stilts to make the weather less sad.
I think the Minister needs to drive an EV in Western Canada during a cold snap when the temperature is below -30 C. Let’s say a trip from BC to Calgary or Calgary to Edmonton.
He's too busy taking jets and polluting 5000x as much as you to do a roadtrip like some kind of pleb.
😂😂
You know what MP Guibeault will say to you? He will say that you are wrong it is -40 degrees celsius. (Sarcasm)
And have him do it in a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, which won't work below -20C. It's basically a 2.5 ton brick in the cold.
No problems starting mine in -40, range is certainly reduced but I'll take that trade most of the time.
There are comments to just "charge from home overnight". With what?...an extension chord from your apartment or house strung down the street to where you found parking? Not every home has a driveway or garage, not every apartment building has parking. A lot of work needs to be done before the date in question. Why not have the entire fleet of government cars EV. Let them try to work out the kinks and see the challenges then perhaps the issues everyday people would be figured out quicker.
IMO, if you cant charge at home, need to tow, or have to drive 50% of your winter range a day or more than 100% of your range a week an EV is simply not for you. I own a model 3, and i have super charged once for 15 minutes on a trip to Ottawa for the weekend. And the rest at home
Ideally, in an place where you live in an apartment, you should be able to take high quality public transport and not need a car at all. But in a case where you must (or a system the forces you to) have a car then you must have a parking spot to leave it at night like an underground lot. That parking place should have access to charging by default
$15/hour charging. How long do they expect people to hang around waiting to charge?
They go shopping.
Meanwhile in my neighborhood, it’s $.25/hr to charge. Why the hell does Canada charge so much for electricity?!!
Real weird, we pay per KWH. € 0,72 per kwh is the most expensive that I've found, € 0,52-0,56 seems the standard.
And what if you only need 20 or 30 minutes worth of charging within that one hour; you'd still need to pay $15?!
@@DozyBeeChief the only way charging is worth $15/hr is if it’s delivering a very high rate of energy, such as 250kWh-350kWh, where a 75-85kWh battery, found in many EV’s could charge up in a reasonably short 15-20 minutes, taking into account tapering and charging curve, as many would place a higher value on time = money. Even so, $15/hr is still too high, but if you’ve gotta top off in the least amount of time, one may be able to justify the price.
Wow. And this Environment Minister is making decisions for us all? He is a laughing stock. “Duh, that’s the first time I’ve heard about this”, says Steven Guilbeault. 🤣😂😅 Throw him out!
Have you heard of “cold weather highway range” estimates for cars? What would be the “standardized temperature”? Do we also include snow/ice conditions (which can have a significant effect on range?). No other jurisdiction in the world (not even Norway) has this type of range rating. I think that standardization of such a rating would help to educate new EV owners on the effects of cold weather on range, but the Minister’s reaction is reasonable (IMO).
@@hockeyfunGuess what? The Federal government sets these standards. It's not an "international standard". So yes, the federal government CAN EASILY make these standards a requirement in Canada. But they just DON'T WANT TO.
@@dash1dash2 Sure, so the question is should "cold weather highway range" standards be implemented. I am for them. Let's see if governments choose to adopt them.
Steven Guilbeaul doesn't seem to know any thing about EV's or anything else for that matter
@@hockeyfunICE vehicles have city/hiway mpg estimates why not the same thing for EV's onlybasedontemp/range??????
god I can already picture people fighting over charging stations
Hunger Games.
People aren't fighting over petrol stations, and those where very rare once upon a time.
We are still in the infancy of this industry, tech is rapidly improving every year. Infrastructure is improving rapidly every year.
As demand grows it will keep accelerating further.
Just wait with switching until things have improved to the point where ev's become the better choice for you.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 that’s right it should be when it is right for a person to switch they can switch. For me and many others that would be never
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 What till you come across a person whos car has been fully charged for hours but refuses to move it as they are "too busy" walking around a mall. People freak out when someone fills up a gas powered car at a busy station, then decides to go in and use the washroom before moving on.
Liberals love that lol
Big problem is nonstop headache finding fuel - if u can fill up at home all good.
Government is pushing for more ev’s but first thing they need is enough charging stations.
Another issue is the grid can't handle having EV's, definitely during the winter when the grid is stressed enough.
Home charging is the best, makes going electric easy
@@colindavenport2619100% EV adoption would require upgrades. But that’s going to take decades. The grid has plenty of flexibility to charge EV’s during periods of low demand.
@@RockyMountainTesla That will, but there is another problem at play due to when solar production stops when people generally get home from work for most of the year.
@@colindavenport2619 EVs are inherently load shedable.
In fact the Canadian electrical code was recently changed so that you do on need to do a service upgrade to install a L2 charger. You just need to install a whole hose energy monitor to stop charging if you don't have enough headroom on your load calculation.
That is not to say things are perfect. "Smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell "virtual power plants" to utility providers (because they are ALSO inherently load-shedable). But the protocols are invariably proprietary. So if your proprietary water heater load sheds: that may be immediately negated by your "whole house energy monitor" telling your car it is OK to charge during the supper hour peak.
There is some good information here. Availability and pricing is a very important issue.
Using a CHAdeMO charge vehicle, is not a realistic comparison to the majority of BEV vehicles. As there is less availability for those chargers.
For winter driving? Could you have mentioned the difference you car having a heat pump would make? Did you research battery per-conditioning? There are practices to learn in using any new vehicle.
Your discussion with the minister was interesting, I am not sure how informed he was on the minutia of the matter.
Your points on standardized charge prices and a possible practical range listing are important.
I plan on purchasing a BEV, but I see that innovation = less freedom when it comes to tech. It is time to regulate the manufacturers to protect the consumer. This carries over to ICE and BEVs.
Please do an episode on automotive subscription services and their expense. It makes me wonder if I really own the car I "buy".
Did you notice at 5:05 she was just shoving her phone with the chargepoint app open against the RFID reader at the chargepoint station. She definitely knew she had to add it to her wallet app, but wanted to take the opportunity to make EVs look bad
Subscription services for a car need to be revised. To my knowledge, Nissan is NOT doing that ever. Porsche and BMW are already doing it.
@kgb3209 why tf are there so many apps and hoops to jump through to charge the damn EV? She didn't make it look bad on purpose, it looks bad naturally
@@Levi-hs6mg You realize how long it took us to get Steam right. Eventually, 1 company will win the war.
@user-yi4vz4du9l your comment doesn't make sense. That isn't an equal comparison. We already have a perfect standard... tap/insert a damn credit card. They are trying to reinvent the wheel here and instead have made a way worse wheel
Owned an EV for near 9 years, and have completed 17 8000km+ road trips across Canada and the United States. I will agree there is a learning curve with EVs, but cold weather driving with EVs is not as big as a deal as being reported ... in my opinion. Norway and Sweden don't have issue with cold weather because their charging infrastructure is top notch. The biggest mistake I've see with new EV owners have is charging their vehicle at 100% instead of charging to 60-80% on long distance trips.
Have ever noticed that the MP'S demanding we use EV'S are never seen using or owning but many videos of them in a gas powered or airplane ?
If we had a significant carbon tax: we would not have to switch everything to EVs.
Carbon-neutral synfuels should be an option for industries that are unable to electrify economically.
Unfortunately with the low price of fossil carbon: it is just cheaper to dig fossil fuel out of the ground.
Do you know the world doesn't have a CO2 problem ? CO2 is at it's lowest since the last ice age 180,000 yrs ago the world has a pollution problem if CO2 levels drop any lower all life well become extinct
The savings you get from charging ends up spending up for food or drink while waiting.
I normally sleep while charging.
But I reckon you eat while you sleep?
You can also then "save money" by just filling up with fuel then say....working or being productive? How exactly do you think said charging stations get their power to charge EV's?
@@danielbaker7611
Said charging stations get their power from, coal, gas, wind, nuclear, sun, etc.
Does it matter?
An EV running on electricity from coal is still beter for the environment than an ICE running on gas or diesel. And there is little to no way the ICE will eventually be greener while an EV eventually gets greener because the coal, gas mix in the grid will be fased out as much as possible.
Will this happen tomorrow?
No, but it will happen.
Other countries already run their electric grid on > 90% renewables (Iceland, Norway, Puerto Rico)
Tires insurance time etc 😂
Depends on what car, Teslas can supercharge within 20-30 minutes. Most of the time you will super-charging during roadtrips where you will have to eat and go to the toilet anyways. No time is truly wasted.
Just recently drove back from Mrytle Beach. Took us 16 hours straight through 2 min gas stops. Last stop for gas was in Pittsburg PA. and was able to drive to Peterborough Ontario which is 656kms and over 6 hours of driving plus a 35 min border crossing on 1 tank of gas with still a quater tank of gas left when we got home. Want to see an EV do that.
My wife and me needed to replace our 12 year old Prius C (2 years ago now). We're both retired so, the pennies count, a lot. We looked hard at going for a full EV to replace the C and would have embraced one, except for the cost. Here in Newfoundland any BEV starts at $60,000+. Having driven hybrids for over 16 years we were well pleased with the economics (averaged 4.4l per 100km), and had very few issues in over a decade and a half. Our "well appointed" Model SE cost well under $40,000. We finally got our 2024 Prius Prime after a 21 month wait last March. It now has 12,000+km on the OD. And, as of today we have burned just three tanks of gas. In summer temperatures we can get 100km on a charge. The Prime has a 13.6kwh Traction Battery and a fuel tank that holds 10.5 gallons. Combined, we would be able to travel the 904km route One highway across the full width of our big island without stopping for either fuel or a charge. This PHEV makes far more sense than any ICE or EV. Toyota is right, if every passenger car in NA was a Prius Prime emissions would drop by 90%. And, range anxiety........puff.
@TomLawlor-iq6gm 100% agree waiting for the hybrid of the honda Ridgeline then I am upgrading
@@treynolds94 We're hoping that by the time the Traction Battery needs to be replaced (Toyota warrants the battery for ten years), the tech. will have improved to the point where a range of 150km will be a reality. I mean; we have only used 30 odd gallons of fuel over those 12,000km. A 50% increase in EV range would essentially eliminate fossil use completely. In this province we are very lucky to have our electricity almost 100% generated by clean hydro The resources required to build this PHEV are a fraction of those needed to produce a BEV, that sadly, in many cases, is fueled by power that is derived by burning fossil fuels. Our personal finances limit us in many ways but, we know the little extra we spent to acquire this car helps with regards to our increasingly morbid weather. If you already own a car that takes you from Pittsburg to Peterborough using just 3/4's of a tank then I don't have to point out anything to you. Kind Regards.
@TomLawlor-iq6gm not if everyone is having to charge their vehicle will definitly have to put way more billions into the grid and power creation.
@@treynolds94 As far as I know the grid in NA can provide the energy to keep EV's rolling with not much investment. The biggest problem is with the local Step-Down Transformers (those buckets we see on poles near our homes). They will have to be replaced with higher capacity units.
As an electrical engineer with a master in power engineering, I laugh at what is going on and the stupidity that people talking up EVs......especially politicians. Wait until you need to change the battery.
I live in Illinois and have both a 2023 Model Y and a 2023 Bolt EUV. Only twice have I every had a line at a charger with the Tesla, once during Christmas. Usually I have no issues and there are almost never problems with the chargers having a problem - possibly one bad charger at all out of over a year of trips. This includes driving to Texas once and to Florida another time. The Bolt charges so slow and relies on the CCS network, I don't even bother with it on long trips. However, for around the town trips, or going to St Louis and back, I only need to charge at home. Add up all your visits to the gas station within a 100 miles of your home and nix them from your life. Also, charging at home is so cheap that gas would have to be %1.50/gallon to compete with either the Model Y or the Bolt.
1) Tesla did it right and 2) The U.S. is probably doing a better job.
that's cool and all, but how many Americans have the option to charge at home? They are forcing 100% of the Americans to go to EVs, but not 100% of all Americans can charge at home to enjoy that benefit. And the country is moving towards housing options that are not as EV charger friendly, so as years go by less and less Americans will have this benefit.
@@saidtheblueknight Who forced you to buy an EV? I hadn't heard that EV ownership became a law.
@@saidtheblueknightWhat are you smoking? Everything you said is simply not true.
Good for you, I'm glad you are embracing homosexuality
Guilbeault, on transparency, of course not, we will not inform the consumer on cold weather distances and so on, charging station rates,….. we want people to buy electric car no matter what, people will absorb the hiccups and wrinkles 😢
He's Teflon certified. Zero accountability.
I’ve owned a Tesla model 3 for the last 4 1/2 years and never had a problem with charging on road trips and at home. Spending like 60 bucks a month in charging on average.
@@debbiekonkin5768 Lol, another user error story. You couldn't have figured out that before you dropped 10s of thousands of dollars on on the Lightning? EV range is already very sensitive on a normal vehicle getting 400km, what did you think was going to happen if you to tow a boat with an EV truck? The Lightning is obviously best for city contractors needing to tow gear and construction material.
@@debbiekonkin5768 The Lightning has a gigantic battery and garbage charging capacity. Peak 150 kW charging is pretty slow for DC fast charging. If you had waiting to pay for it until a few reviewers had discussed it, you would have seen that you would be spending a lot of time charging. The Kia EV9 should have much faster charging capacity - as long as you have 1) one of the fairly uncommon 350 kW charging bays and 2) a pull through charger. I have seen both in Sullivan MO but I don't think they are that common yet, unfortunately. If Tesla ramps up the cybertruck, with its fast charging, as starts installing their V4 chargers in a pull through set up, it will be much better for towing. That won't be handy just for towing a trailer, but also for being accessible to all manufacturer's cars, since the charging ports are all over and being able to pull the car in either side would help.
Good. Start paying your fair share of the road taxes
@@bowbender1 My state has higher registration fees for electric cars. States could also tax DC fast charging, maybe they do, I am not sure.
@martalli not sure about the states. But in Canada, road tax is built in the price of fuel. I'm sure it won't be long before that's added to people's hydro bills
GM is presenting a bill in US congress where not only no one but GM Service Centers will be allowed to work on your vehicles, they also want to shut down sales of aftermarket parts, so if you own GM vehicle, you will only be able to buy parts from GM dealership, the bill is expected to be lobbied heavily, therefore it may pass.
Hate this type of stuff.
@SkylarkTorch
They are trying to take a page out of Tesla, as Tesla already does that.
Also if GM is successful, obviously other companies will file same requests, and they'll have to be granted, government can't grant it to one manufacturer but not the others.
John Deere has lost its right to repair lawsuit. Look it up , as it should be precedent setting
GM is also the company that delayed the electric car by 20 years by selling the EV-1 battery patents to an oil company.
GM cant stop making horrible decisions
I absolutely love my electric car. Not only is there less maintenance, but because everyone around these parts of North Carolina turns their nose up at them, I was able to get an extremely good deal on one that had been on the dealer's lot for almost a month.
If you have a short commute, don't listen to the negative people with no clue. Do your own research and make your own decision. You will likely find that a cheap, 20k electric car with 150 miles of range or so will work well for a lot of people.
Just love how you said a problem that a Tesla charger I’ve had my Tesla for three years now and have never seen this problem. Seen a couple down chargers had to wait a few minutes one time but for the most part 99.9% of the time I’ve just plugged in charged and gone.
Plugged in, and waited a long time to charge, and then gone.
@@bigglyguy8429 This reminds me to call my credit card company since it decline to authorize a payment to fill up for gas yesterday. Do I blame the gas station or the credit card? Is this a similar infrastructure problem they mention when it comes to EV charging?
I live in a city in Canada with a large amount of e-cars and wonder why do people stay in their car for hours while charging?
@@myleghurts3546
I know nothing about the process of charging but I would think
that a car left to charge at a charging station for an hour or more
wouldn't be much more in danger of theft than a car left
in a massive parking lot at a major mall for an hour or more.
If a thief saw someone get out of a car and start walking 80 metres
to go into a huge shopping center with over 100 stores
that thief would know that the person is very likely
not coming back to their car for a long time
and it seems that it doesn't take long to steal a car.
Or for another example, a thief seeing people leaving cars in the morning
at a commuter parking lot at a subway station or commuter train station
knows that almost all the people leaving their cars there
are going to work and won't be back for at least 8-10 hours.
I cannot help but think they were digging through plugshare trying to find a charging site with problems. I have also never seen a Tesla supercharging site with that going on, in a year of driving, including some long distance driving. Let's note that the worst 'down charger' Tesla site they could find had three blocks spots while something like 9 chargers were open and in use.
Same problem in Arizona, batteries overheating decreasing range plus you're running the a/c rather than heater.
? maybe in a leaf which doesn't have active cooling. I've been through Arizona a half dozen times in temps over 110 with my Tesla and never had an issue.
I’ve driven our ten-year old Tesla for most of its life through SoCal, Arizona, and Nevada with no issue. The problem you’re mentioning is mostly with Nissan’s LEAF, which is long-known to have a battery notoriously bad at longevity, charging, and BMS.
The LEAF should have been pulled from the market a decade ago, or at the very least, be barred from being sold in any location where it regularly gets above 90° F.
There’s almost nothing good about a LEAF, except being able to pick a low-mileage used one for less than 4k to be used for local commutes only and only charged at home or at work. Stopping to charge a LEAF anywhere else is a genuine PITA.
For clarity, I don’t mean to sound like I’m picking on the LEAF, but if Nissan had updated its battery chemistry, it’s BMS, its cooling, and its access to CCS years ago, it would be a much better vehicle.
I have two Teslas in Arizona and have also had zero issues over my 3+ years. The only thing I dislike about them in the heat is the glass roof. I wish they had a non-glass "base" option or something.
@@JustinAZ Two telslas? You're 100% committed to this, no matter what, so no amount of logic and common sense will ever get through. 3+ years...I'm guessing one of the cars is just over 3, and the other is new. Let's talk in 5-7 years
- Get rid of the need for an application to charge your car! 🚫📱 Allow consumers to pay with cash or credit. 💵💳
- I absolutely agree that Winter Highway Battery Range should be absolutely standard. ❄🔋 Steven should not even be remotely doubting "feasibility" if he wants Canadians switching to all-electric cars. 😐 Canadians need to know the absolute truth about Winter Range. ❄
- Billing per kilowatt hour should be the Federal standard. 🍁 💵⚡
- More technicians qualified for electric vehicle, and charging infrastructure, as well as greater availability for these parts. 🛠⚡
What a hell of explanation from the minister... seems that he is not totally aware about the reality... 2035? Hahahahhaha
He's off by 100 years or so.
These politicians drive gas cars
@@wjoseph-rx9mj he rides a bike and takes transit.
He should go back to climbing buildings like spider man , he has no clue even about heat pumps that don't work in - 20 below .
@@mikesouthworth Not all of us live in big cities with transit and clear bike paths in winter. Having no car in a small town means either calling a taxi or walking. And no, there's no Uber/whatever around here.
Say what you will about Teslas (build quality, price, customer service, etc) but they have the most reliable charging network right now, especially if you plan on doing road trips. That was definitely a major factor in why I bought a MY over something like the Leaf or Mach E, etc.
"It's an emerging sector so, of course, there are going to be wrinkles....". To put it plainly, every single one of these EV's and the way they charge is EXPERIMENTAL. We just bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid rated at 50 mpg (21.25 kpl) and we do not have to worry about driving 50 km out of the way just to charge it. EV's vs vehicles you can rely on. I choose reliabilty.
couldn't imagine buying an ev and not having home charging...
And then not being to go any further than half its range, lol. No EV for me for at least until they iron out all these issues.
@@christinehede7578 remember your phone use to have buttons 15 years ago.
I've owned an EV for the past 3 months now. I was a little nervous because I didn't have any home charging at all, I live in an apartment so it is not an option at all. Yet I havn't had any issues. I'm lucky to have a reliable fast charging station infront of a target so I charge up once a week while I grocery shop for the week. if that one isn't working for whatever reason there are 3 other chargers within the same distance. Its basically been treated like a gas car that has to go to a gas station but it takes 30 minutes to charge from empty to full instead of 5 minutes. Road trips have been fine too. it does 250 miles on a full charge, 100 miles less than my Civic Si would do but far more comfortable and the breaks to charge for 20 minutes after every 3 hours of driving was less of an inconvenience and more of a way to take a break. EV's are not for everyone and the charging networks need to get their stuff together up north for sure.
Im sure my time would be even better if I could charge at home but I've been enjoying my experience.
That’s a comment that makes sense to me. Home charging is very important. As we ramp up EV adoption, we need to install charging connectors or at least charging outlets for every parking spots in condos and in the street. This is how we will move to a cleaner future.
The EV vehicles are good enough today, with Tesla and China we already know the vehicles won’t be the problem.
You're making some of this stuff up! It is true that the range information is inaccurate at highway speeds. But it is not true that you would get a speed reduction request in a Tesla RWD between Pickering and Ottawa unless you turned off the charger planning enroute. The car simply routes you to a charger - and it does this accurately with regard to temperature and even head or tailwind. There are at least ten Tesla chargers between Pickering and Ottawa (I checked). I have driven the same model from Victoria, BC to Twillingate, NL with none of the anxiety you describe. Why are you reporting this imaginary concern. And how accurate is the number of km your ICE car says are in the gas tank against changing temperatures and winds?
Funny how all of these don't even address another huge problem. Scrapping these EVs. Teslas make up a big portion of car crashes in recent years and when they get in a small accident, They could be written off due to the battery being a part of the chassis. And when that happens, they become extremely unstable and could catch fire at any moment. That's why they are often parked so far apart in scrap yards. Not to say that EVs are necessarily bad but just like Akio Toyoda mentioned, customers should have the option to choose what fits their needs. EVs are not a "one size fits all" solution.
I even have anxiety when my phone battery is low, I cannot handle this stress
Same here, my phone battery is at 5% right now and I don't even know if I'll have time to finish this messa{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER
People need to stop and think of the realestate required if all vehicles are electric. A fast charge is still 45 minutes for the equivalent 5 minute fill up of gas. 9 times the amount of charging bays compared to gas filling bays, and that is the fastest charging tech.
Locally officials here are trying to grapple with those who don't have driveways. Are we going to allow massive cables across sidewalks at night to charge EV's
For now, but it will get faster and faster.
And gas will most likely get more expensive.
Especially in a war context in the Middle East.
Looks to me that gas pumps take up way more space. EV chargers sit at the head of parking lot spaces. A non-issue.
It’s the opposite. Most EV owners charge at home on their driveway.
For example, the stats over a year in my Tesla app show that I charged 85% at home, 12% at superchargers, and 3% at other locations.
Chargers are popping up at places of work etc plus remember many charge at home
I went to Buffalo from Toronto 2 months back and we got lucky to see that every Level 3 DC charger along the way actually worked!
Where is all the extra electricity going to come from?
You can charge at night when there are lots of spare capacity.
More recent EVs have the technology to feed back power to your home or the grid.
The coal plants are working overtime to supply electricity
@@j.barren3738 In Canada, 10% of electricity comes from coal, 60% from Hydro.
@@j.barren3738 In 2019, about 92% of electricity in Ontario was produced from zero-carbon sources: 59% from nuclear, 24% from hydroelectricity, 8% from wind, and 1% from solar. Ontario has about 38.45% of the Canadian population while Québec has 22.98%.
With over 40 850 MW of installed hydroelectric capacity, hydropower generates 94% of Quebec’s electricity. Québec has 22.98% of the Canadian population.
That means only looking at Ontario and Québec, nearly 57% of Canadians use clean electricity. There's probably at least another 10 to 20% Canadians using clean energy from all other provinces combined, you can look it up yourself.
Also, another point I would like to make about electric vehicles. To achieve the best possible charging experience if the electric vehicle and I’ll use Tesla as an example knows that you’re heading to a charging location so you would pick a charging location on the map. The computer will precondition the batteryand optimize the travel so that not only you can reach the supercharger but also the battery will be warm enough in the winter time to accept the fastest possible charge. It’s not a perfect technology, but compared to other OEMs. Tesla has the best battery management system in the industry.
Most other EVs do this as well. Rivian, Kia, Ford do at least for sure. Probably all of them. Some even allow you to just manually start the preconditioning without it trying to "guess" based off your GPS destination.
Then there's the statement, often overlooked, that says something to the effect of "Fast charging or Supercharging may reduce battery life".
Do tell?
@@nephetula - if you’re constantly relying on only supercharging, as that’s your only means of charging the vehicle then yes, over long period of time you could suffer battery degradation. What’s funny is people run out to purchase an EV without doing the proper research. It does take a bit of education, and I guess it would be great if there was a common neutral source of information that clearly defines what the current electric vehicle charging and expectations are. Our society has been so used to gas and go. That going to an electric vehicle much like it was back in the day going from a horse and buggy to a combustion engine. It took some time for those folks to make the transition I believe our electric vehicle infrastructure is somewhere between the horse and buggy stage or better yet, the gas and electric stage. I truly believe we will get there. It’s just gonna take a little more time.
And for those who have chosen to embrace the new technology, really need to ensure that they educate themselves, so that they are best prepared and get the best possible experience.
@@RealElectech I have a Bolt EUV and that thing doesn't know anything about preconditioning the battery before getting to a charger. Since it cannot charge faster than 60 kW I guess it does not really matter. However, I have to second the idea that Tesla has been making competent EVs for a decade and has much less of the serious faux paus that other manufacturers have experienced, whether it is software (VW) or AC Charging failures (Hyundai/Kia)
Linking charging stations to the grid is a simple process. Even creating an automatic charging pad when you park is possible. Paying charging stations are just another way that companies can rip you off. If the federal government wants the entire country to drive electric, the infrastructure needs to be changed to provide automatic charging. It will cost billions, work it into cars sales or insurance rates. The tech will improve, don’t let this report stop you from buying a hybrid or EV if you can charge at your residence.
The price of EV is freaking expensive.
Also, the price of battery replacement of EV is almost equal to brand new car. Unless there's significant change in EV tech where the price of EV is equal or less than ICE , and the price of EV battery gets dirt chip, around 5 grand, I don't think people will switch to EVs.
Did anyone else notice that there was no mention of how easy and dependable it was to use a Tesla charger. That trip was a farce. Anyone that owns an electric vehicle Knows your range would be cut and make sure they used a charger in between their origin and destination. Personally I drove from St Catharines Ontario to Alamagordo New Mexico and back with no issues along the way except for slowing down to reach my next charger a couple times. On the way back if I thought that would happen I would just program in a closer charger which was very simple. I will agree that public charging stations are charging way too much and no inconsistency in pricing . I know I payed over 5 times what I would pay at home for charging during off peak hours and around 4 time the cost of home charging during on peak hours.
Just wondering, how long did each charging stop take?
Gas pumps are heavily regulated and inspected annually to ensure reliability and fairness. I don't see why electric chargers should be any different.
My wife has commuted to Ottawa from rural Renfrew County (140 km) for a couple years now on her 2020 Bolt we bought really cheap. She's never used a public charger because our home charger delivers only 16 amps @ 220 volts, and it covers her 140 km commute with lots of range left when she comes home and plugs in. I was jealous, so I bought myself a used 2023 Bolt EUV this year and I'm only using level 1 charging and that's fine for me. Winter here in a Bolt with -20 C temps will lower your range from 400km at full range to around 300 km. Due to the 140km commute, that's excessive anyway, so I have both cars set to charge at a max of 80%. But that's no issue. We just plug it in once we get home. Maybe someday one of us will try a public charger if we go on a road trip. There is no way I'd go back to driving ICE. EVs are just so much fun to drive.
My EV will tell you, when you punch in the destination, how much battery % will be remaining when you reach it. If it's further than the range of the battery, it will look for places to charge. So you don't actually have to do that math. Again, some manufacturers are *very* optimistic with their stated range. They do this for marketing purposes, but it's not very ethical IMO.
That brand is the famous mentioned in this CBC piece.
19:50 Pretty annoying that the environment minister doesn't know/understand the proper unit of energy. Yes it's a common error people make, but it's still a very significant and problematic error, something that a high level official should know about.
The Canadian public would like to see choices in the type of vehicle we drive we would like to see car that have always worked the way they are supposed to work. Fill it up and drive it until it's low on fuel and repeat. EVs don't provide this especially in the cold Canadian winters.
How long have you been an EV owner. What model did you buy?
I expected a lot better from Marketplace. No, the feds don't want us all driving EVs. Firstly, gas/diesel-only vehicles are not being banned in 2035; you can drive yours as long as you want. Secondly, as of 2035, hydrogen, gas/electric hybrids, and full EVs may still be sold.
In 2035 the sale of NEW gas/diesel vehicles is most certainly banned....thus forcing manufacturers to transition their manufacturing process LONG before that date.
You may not be prevented from driving an older gas vehicles in 2035, however, eventually those grandfathered vehicles will be extremely uneconomical to drive due to an ever increasing carbon tax and no replacement parts being manufactured.
Thankfully, this extremist Liberal government and its "proud socialist" Environment Minster will be long gone by 2035 and some common sense will be returned to power prior to 2035 in time to scrap this mandate.
I thought they did a good job of demonstrating EV shortcomings which are many.
@@idcraw -- Mine works fine: zero problems.
Telling car companies 60% of cars they sell have to be EV is a move towards only EVs allowed
Are you that thick to not see the impacts direct and indirect consequences. This government has failed at everything they touch because they never move forward with a well thought-out plan. Ideology over substance.
WHY WHY WHY do you need to have an app to charge your car!!!!!!! You should be able to just pre-authorize like a gas station and start charging
Been driving an EV for 5 years, never going back to ICE. Every morning full battery, starts every time in the cold, at ultra low rates $5.00 per 1000km, no oil changes, no exhaust system, brakes last for ever, gas stations are for a pee and a snack.
5 years?? Lol. Wait another 5 and let us know how you feel when you spend another $20K for a new battery. But it's okay. All the gas money you saved in those ten years should cover the cost of that new battery...😂
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After 5 years my range loss is 5%, has not changed much in the last 2 years. You missed the 1 in front of the 5, so far all the studies with data from 1000s of EV’s show at 750,000km I will still have 80% of my range left.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 If you say so.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 there are limitations with an ev, one being you will never leave a primary road or highway ever again!
Ev or not we need proper right to repair bill
Yes the infra is not great right now, but neither was gas stations during the days of the model T in the 1910s. Everyone needs to calm down. The reporter is suggesting that what we have today is what we have 10 years from now, which is ridiculous. When it comes to technology, especially Canadians, we don’t have a clue to envision the future. Things will get better exponentially, just like they did for computers in the 90s, cell phones in the 2000s, etc. If you don’t like EVs, don’t buy till you’re ready. Simple as that.
Literally we got over a decade for things to improve and change, were just at the beginning of the EV transition.
A lot of campgrounds have electric outlets for RVs, which can be used for level 2 charging as well.
It won't take the campsite owners too long to ban that practice or charge excessive fees.
@@ScubaSteveCanada Or, as many hotels do, they use fact that there is charging as a selling point. Get a room and free night charging! People with EVs look for this options.
But even with fees, it is ok, no problem there, unless they are not crazy high.
@@debbiekonkin5768 So go to hotel without charging ...
Ev's are catching fire at an alarming rate all over the world.
@j.barren3738 if this is alarming than what are ICE car fires which take place 10x more often?
You chose the lowest range Tesla for this test , and never touched on how easy Tesla supercharger network is.
Yeah and the car’s navigation makes it so easy. I drive through Europe with zero planning.
I agree that we can’t call EVs as alternative to ICE cars for now. Right now EVs are for people who want to drive EV and spend some time investigating them. Customers who use EVs as device to get from point A to point B - they will not be happy. It’s not for everyone yet 🤷♂️
my person experience... I own a Tesla and a gas truck. have only had the Telsa since May 2023. Took it to Montreal in November (temperature ranged from 7 to 3 degrees from Toronto to Montreal). Range told me while leaving I would need to charge once. Needed to charge 3 (almost 4) times, turned off the heat, stopped charging my phone and made it to Montreal with about 20%. On the way home, I got stuck between charges and had to charge at a non-Tesla charger and that is a horror story in its self. Don't get me wrong, car is well worth it - not visiting gas stations ever, no oil changes or regular maintenance, car is serviced when needed in my driveway (had a seatbelt fault that needed to be adjusted). while using for regular daily or short trips is 100% worth it. Will I take it on a longer trip in the summer - yes, will I take it on a longer trip in the winter - no.
@shootfergus, did you enter your destination into the nav or did you just start driving, go by the "rated range", and hope to find a charger once you got close to empty? I've had a Telsa model 3 for 4.5 years now, and my experience is VERY different. I always enter the destination into the nav, then the car analyzes the route and tells me where to charge, how much battery I'll have at each stop, how long to charge at each stop, and it's VERY accurate. I drive from Ajax to Sudbury several times a year and have had zero problems when doing it that way.
@@andrewdowdall2690 here's my trip in a nutshell (I have a feeling I know that issue and it's the new battery type) I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100%
Destination was entered in the Nav
Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip
Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120
During the trip - Nav moved stop from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20%
What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather.
Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery?
Side notes: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger.
I live in Pickering and drive to the office (downtown Toronto) on a regular basis... in the summer I would go from 100% and arrive at 88 to 89%, now in the winter (if you want to call this winter) I am arriving at work at 78 to 79%
Don't worry about charging your phone. That doesn't come from the main battery and your phone will sip. I typically am comfortable driving down to 10%. It's just something to get used to.
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I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100%
Destination was entered in the Nav
Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip
Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120
During the trip - Nav moved from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20%
What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather.
Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery?
Side note: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger.
It took approx 80 yrs for ICE cars to be developed to the point of good reliability and safety that was affordable to the general public.Govt`s are trying to introduce millions of Ev`s in 5 or so yrs that should be the same standard,or better.It`s not going to happen.The public are not going to buy,or lease a car that could burn your house down with your family inside,even if the chances of that happening are extremely low.EV`s are still in the experimental stage, and the public don`t want to be part of the experiment.
Ev's are finished, my friend. The experiment is over.
Gas cars have a 100x higher chance of catching fire though compared to gas, America insurance listed that out of 100k EVs, only 52 caught fire, but for gas and hybrids it's 5.2k, you can't say that EVs will burn your house down when you gas car will do the same with a 100x higher chance bruh
@@ParvTubeHD risk measured as the product of likelihood and impact. You only account for the likelihood but there is an impact component that blows that risk out of proportion. It s very difficult to put out lithium fires. And FD cannot do it efficiently yet. Thats why some insurance companies do not want to cover cases with eva charging in your garage
It's easier if we just call it off and forget the whole idea.
Own a ID.4 with a heat pump, drove to Ottawa from Toronto (this past December) on one 45 minute charge @ electrify Canada station - free charge since they have a deal with VW(4 years free charging).
Cost me nothing for that drive
Perhaps you mean you spent nothing, rather than "cost" you nothing. The cost was built into the price of the vehicle. Is it the 1400 kWh offer?
I should preface I was a Scrooge for a year, saved wherever I could to afford an ev, sacrificed for it. It can be done.
@@christopherhwee3286 wow you must have a high paying job to have enough disposable income to save enough in a year to buy a vehicle with a $48,495 to $61,495 MSRP
It costs you the price of driving and looking at that atrocious vehicle. A used gas car is still way cheaper and doesn't require 45 minutes to fill up.
Yeah, when they work ev's are just better cars, especially in day to day use. But the industry is still in it's infancy and in a lot of areas there is still the chicken and egg problem.
Tech is rapidly getting better, infrastructure is rapidly improving. It will simply take a few years before things smooth themselves out to a point where they make sense for everyone.
Things will only get better from here forward. Programs like this are trying to put them into the role they are not expexted to fullfill for another decade. That is why the goal is set at 2035 and not 2025.
2:25 ..proceeds to drive 96.5% of the max estimated range. 🤦🏻 I wouldn’t even attempt that in a gas car.
Shouldn’t these companies be paying us for our time to wait at the charging stations? Every hour we wait! After hall our time is money right? What am I supposed to do for the wait as the car charges?
How about interviewing people who represent the vast majority of people who love their evs and have excellent ev ownership experiences. I loved my ford evs, Kia Ev and Tesla ev my wife and I have owned.
That's great and your choice. Mandating that everyone must purchase an EV is not only ridiculous it's anti free choice.
However you look at it EV's have many negatives. The infrastructure will never support millions of EV's plugged in simultaneously.
They will never fare well in extreme cold either. The Liberals have made a bad investment with VW and Stellantis (approx. 26 Billion) to build 2 Auto battery plants.
The bust is already underway.
@@subaruguy7258 Who mandated you MUST purchase and EV? I hadn't heard of that law.
@@subaruguy7258Just a suggestion: don’t say “never” unless it breaks a law of physics. Otherwise, you will be proven wrong.
@@craigmilton9892 you can not purchased non ev car after 2035, they are banned. you drive old car or buy new ev. this is a law that other person says
@@st.k.4528 There is no country mandating that you MUST purchase an EV after 2035. Light duty cars, trucks and SUVs must be hybrids, electric or hydrogen-powered by 2035 in Canada. However, you can still keep your ICE vehicles and buy and sell them. If 11 years from now you can find anyone who wants them. Take it from an actual EV owner, every year, fewer and fewer folks are going to want to throw money away due to the inefficiency of ICE vehicles. Once the average driver sees how much you actually save with an EV and how much nicer the driving experience is, that will be the nail in the coffin. How many folks are still using their rotary dial phones, horse drawn carriages and console TVs?
Long range Teslas are fantastic and you must charge at the Tesla Supercharger. If you don't do this, it's not going to work well. Problem is it's not cheap. With the Tesla, you need to follow the charging recommendation .. so to take it to a FLO or IVY charger is absolutely wrong. The car would have told you to go to a supercharger along the way (and there are plenty of them).
THIS! i don't think she turned on SC notifications on the navigation at the first drive to Ottawa!! If she did it would have told her to charge along the way!
Expect electricity cost to double but more than likely triple by 2035 if they go though with this. People will have to choose to charge their car or heat their home.
They will use the excuse of infrastructure costs but these costs will have already been paid to these companies by taxpayers through subsidies.
Taxpayers will also likely have to pay to put charging stations in remote areas and long stretches of highways since profitability will be low for companies to do it if they have to put in the infrastructure.
I think my main issue with this is the testing was mostly for large metropolitan cities and travel between them. Take BC for instance, if you go North of Kamloops, yes there are "some" charging stations the more North you go, but they're 25-100kw charging (hours to charge to 80%) and can be maybe 2-3 stations at a time to share with. Hardly the 350kw fast charging network (15mins~) we need to make a travel network possible and tesla stations seem to stop showing up the more north you go as well. Honestly for those who need to travel or need to make visits going north than the major cities, you're likely still better off with a gas or a hybrid car/suv/truck. The foundation and maintenance is barely in place functionally for the major population centers, and when you're spending $50-100k+ for electric vehicles, not being able to go where you want, especially without the 15min DC 350kw fast charging, I see electric as nothing more than a rich person's spare vehicle for city commuting, not something I want for "road trips" or god forbid from what reviews have shown between Ford, Tesla and Rivian that their trucks are terrible at towing/hauling distance (less than a 1/4 of advertised distance).
Also, lately media has been covering this as well, but $20k-$60k for replacement batteries in cars in absurd, practically the price of vehicles so unless we start forcing companies to make these vehicles have modular, better swappable batteries for maintenance, these vehicles will be scrap every 5-10 years or whenever a minor repair is needed to the battery packs. I shudder to be the customers who get sticker shock paying for a new battery just cause a rock dented/punctured their battery pack somehow like some are being talked about. Insurance wont even touch it with a 10' pole, just write them off or not even cover them in some places.
And in other breaking news, hammers don't make good wrenches. EVs are fine for the vast majority of global driving. The average driving done by more than 80% of the world is approx. 60-80km per day. Almost every EV on the market can tackle that. If you need 500km per day. You need a different tool. This ain't rocket science.
@@grandemage Replacement batteries are now in the $4-6000 range. Like all new tech, replacement parts were expensive at first but dropped very low as soon as there was a little market penetration. Remember the cost of memory for early PCs - or PCs themselves. My first PC in 1995 cost more than a top of the line laptop today and a memory upgrade of 80MB was $200!
Experience most of this with Tesla and other EV cars when my Tesla is in the shop and rented an EV or Gas car. But Tesla has less issues and much faster services but I always full charge everyday at home before I go anywhere unless I go on a road trip
You get about 420kms per charge? Crazy. Not to mention having to charge it at a location and find out they don’t work or having to wait for one to be available. Imagine if you’re in an emergency and you don’t have enough charge in the battery to get to where you have to go. I would go hybrid, but would not ever switch to either. Imagine the repairs on them. This would set you way back and if your on a tight budget your screwed. Stick to gas.
*95% of all electric cars are still on the road....*
*.....the other 5% made it all the way home!*
ans lets NOT talk about the power grid
All going for the car lobbying in Canada.Why politics do not invest more in public transportation???Canada falls behind a lot of developed countries on public infrastructures regarding transportation!
Nevermind the EV supply chain issue and battery technology issues, repair issues. One key point NOBODY has been talking about is. Our electric grid!
In downtown Toronto right now the grid can NOT support additional load.
And this is further exacerbated by relentless condo blooming that's adding more load to an aging and insufficiently provisioned power grid!
CBC needs to look into that as well!
This is the fundamental thing everyone's missing. There's no way to triple grid capacity to keep up with demand by 2030, let alone multiply it even further to accommodate every car being electric after 2035. It's absolutely ridiculous to expect we can do that, and nobody understands how anything works except the utilities and tradespeople. Guilbeault is so far removed from that he's like a 10 year-old trying to dictate how the solar system should be managed to astronauts and physicists.
It's funny how the feds don't drive EVs but want the whole country driving them.😂
Do we know that for sure? I’d like to know whether or not the ministers drive electric cars.
I don’t know about whether the TH-cam version of this episode showed her ending up at her destination. I bet she did and didn’t have nearly the amount of anxiety that she seemed to show in a few second clip.
She showed more scepticism than anxiety.
How do you know this? Can you please post some sources for us to look at?
Yes, I’d like to know that too. I’m assuming that it would be in their best interest to own an ev if they want it to be adopted by the general public.
I've never had any problems with my combustion engine car. Going on 10 years. Why should I switch to electric?
I bet your gas mileage is about the same too over the 10 years.
Poor piece, I agree based on the vehicles available today, non Teslas without NACS should have range anxiety due to a poor/unreliable charging network. A Tesla going Toronto to Ottawa should not. Most people would take a break for 10-15 mins on the way even in a gas car. Take a break at one of the 10 superchargers that tend to be conveniently located near the highway and near food.
It's not range anxiety here in NS it's charger anxiety I think most EV owners are comfortable doing the math to know how far they can go. We have few DC chargers and they are hit or miss on whether they work or not. All but maybe 2 in the province are just 50kW chargers and aside from Petrocan that normally has 2, the others only have one charger! Really bad here if you are planning on road tripping to NS.
It’s a fair review. EVs only work for people who charge at home and drive in the city.
Can’t wait till someone has a emergency and is like hold on I need 2 hours to charge my car
Canadians will remember Minister Steven Guilbeault for decades to come.
This report should be entitled "How To Have A Bad Experience With Electric Vehicles By Doing Everything Wrong".
No kidding. Talking about a Leaf being bad on a long trip as some sort of general experience? Will they next try and take a Chevy Trax through a rainforest and then conclude that SUVs are no good off road?
Yeah, if gasoline would pollute the air but make it winter-capable.
standardized batteries. Size ,mounting so one battery will fit a number of vehicles of different makes and models.
Currently, they're so deeply embedded in the chassis that you need to rip the car apart to get to them, and they're glued together (for waterproofing) to the extent they're unserviceable. We're no closer to batteries being swappable than gas tanks. The tech's also in such an early stage that batteries are all totally different, from chemistry to form factor to configuration. You can't standardise what's undergoing rapid development and experimentation.
This Marketplace on EVs other than Tesla. In my time driving my MY, I have never had any issue with charging infrastructure. I would never go back to an ICE. Range is not an issues in the winter.
Anyone remember the rush to light bulbs that could not even be manufactured in Canada because they were full of mercury? Yes well, EV's are the new version of another government boondoggle. Question: What is the environmental footprint of an electric vehicle including the mining and disposal of raw materials for the batteries? Can anyone just be honest here????
Yes ... same as an ICE vehicle. The batteries when done for EVs can be repurposed for static use. When done for static use they are recycled. Do you think those millions upon millions of junked lead acid batteries are doing wonders in the land fills?
Good point regarding existing batteries - my real concern is that there is far too little data on net gain for the environment and we have a history of rushing to judgement.@@ScubaSteveCanada
@@ScubaSteveCanada lead acid batteries can be recycled many times over. Also, their replacement doesn't cost more than the cars value.
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Well, you need some education buddy.
Most EVs also have lead acid batteries just like conventional ICE vehicles, and the lead acid battery tend to be short lived in the EVs because the charging system is not as mature and reliable as ICE cars. Ironic isn't it? Especially when it's the best argument that you have and the reality is the complete opposite.
Why is Justin’s suvs not going ev’s???
Contented Tesla owner here, I've only had great experiences 2.5 years into ownership.
One of the most important aspects of purchasing an EV is the charging infrastructure. Do your homework and you'll be happy. End up with a vehicle that is reliant on third-party, slow charging stations and the owner is likely to be dissatisfied.
Hopefully the charging machine is not some diesal generator.
It's rare but does happen.
@@ScubaSteveCanada I laughed when I saw the diesel generator adjacement to the chargers.
@@ScubaSteveCanada Ofter called Hybrid EVs.
Did you know that Norway have chargers at gas stations? We have come a long way in 10 years. Better batteries will come. Regulation will come. In the meantime maybe asking the major gas companies to spend some of their record profits on a few chargers might not be a bad idea.
Couche Tard have a major presence in Norway. It will be good to see them expand across the country as EV uptake grows.
Where's all that electricity going to come from in ten years time?
After a horrible road trip experience here in Australia circa 3000 mile trip, due to broken chargers, other ev drivers hogging the chargers charging to 100%, my next car is going to be a petrol car.
Is that your daily driving? Oh wait, you are using an apple for an orange. Gotcha!
Most people who think about EV’s live in highly populated areas where pollution matters, what about rural communities? I have never seen a charger where I live so how are we supposed to charge a vehicle?
I drive a heavy duty pickup which is diesel powered, I don’t drive a car because it’s useless to me on our dirt roads, plus it won’t carry things I need during the day. Hybrids would make sense as long as they are in the vehicles we need.
You're right. Though for the most dedicated and v specific use cases, it is entirely feasible to just use your home to charge.
There is no real environmental benefit of Electric vehicles and may never be felt as their production alone creates up to 70 per cent of more of emissions than petrol equivalents. Cobalt powered batteries are worse for the environment than liquid and natural gas and nuclear power. Batteries alone for the electric cars are environmentally inefficient and acidic.
I mean, this was definitely a very informative segment, but it’s also definitely blown out of proportion. Literally nine out of 10 of the EV drivers that I know, have never had a problem with range or charging. It’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but with gas powered vehicles, there is also a myriad of things that can happen. 😊😊😊😊
Saskatchewan has a whopping 10 tesla charging stations across the entire province which is roughly the size of texas. And most of those are only along major highways. So its pretty useless for a lot of people there
Yeah supposing that right now the cars functioned at optimal levels, charging stations worked consistently at a regulated price system, the power grid still could not uphold this new add on onto the infrastructure. And btw, -20 is just regular cold. Not extreme cold. -35 and below is extreme cold.
Very surprised the CBC aired this piece. Somebody is gona get fire for sure 😂
In my experience, the main concern with my electric vehicle wasn't its range, given that I primarily used it for city driving. Rather, my primary issue centered on battery longevity. For instance, my Smart ED's battery failed after just 5 years and approximately 60,000 kilometers. The replacement cost for its small 16 kWh battery pack amounted to $15,000. Consequently, I had no choice but to discard an otherwise impeccable vehicle.
No choice? What did you do instead of keeping your EV, buy a $15k new vehichle, i.e. a Mitsubishi Mirage or the likes?
@@Jetstreamer0 I purchased a $7,500 electric bicycle but rely on my gas-powered SUV when the weather isn't suitable for cycling.
@@Jetstreamer0 You say bye bye to EV's, buy a second hand petrol car that will last more the 5 years, and won't with regular maintenance cost you £15,000 (I'm english)...
@@bomberbinz Yes you must be British, they are called gas(oline) powered cars here. And good advice, electric vehicles have a very long way to go before most of us would even consider them and these stories don't help
@@freddexta3363 Nope petrol..... That's the proper word for it. 🙂Put some petrol in a can and into the... boot.... of the car...Lol
A *lot* is going to change by 11 years time. There is *massive* interest in new battery chemistry from academic, industrial and political sides of the problem. The battery technology we have now will seem like iPhone 1.0 compared to what's available in 2035.
EVs will also provide a massive incentive to upgrade and expand the electrical grid. Because every dollar invested in the grid gets _both_ a cleaner grid _and_ cleaner transportation. Internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles have never done and _will never_ will provide this incentive. A cleaner expanded electrical grid is what is required anyways for longer term goals of decarbonization across many other sectors.
Continued use of ICE just drives us further in the climate problem and further enables OPEC and oil despots like Putin that weaponize fossil fuels whenever he feels like it.
Agreed 100%
What exactly to you mean by a "cleaner grid"? Grid refers to the transmission and distribution lines, how are you wanting to make the wires cleaner?
@@alsheremeta Refer to: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_energy
@@beyondfossil No where in that article is the term "cleaner grid" used.
@@tbl268 Nobody seems to want to talk about the biggest problem which is overpopulation of the planet.
I found this video to be misleading with minimal useful info, painting a generally negative picture. Just ordered a 2024 Model 3 RWD. Home charging costs $0.0495/kwh where we live,
Where are you that electricity is so cheap? Does that include distribution and admin fees?
Retired petroleum engineer and wife living in the oil/gas stronghold of Edmond, Oklahoma. Seeing a lot of Teslas here these days as the supercharger network expands. OGE winter rates for any additional power beyond the minimal threshold are set at $0.0495/kwh regardless of time of day. Summer rates for each additional kwh are $0.0831. We are still surrounded by ICE lovers. I suspect our new model 3 will shock all of them, and convince them to reevaluate the situation.
We love our model three and we live in the mountains of British Columbia zero issues.
3:55 those "pumps" sure look a lot like diesel generators
What, the transformers?
I live up in Kirkland lake area and saw a guy recently who had to get his Tesla towed back to his home in North Bay because of no infrastructure. 1 charger in town and it never works. Extreme cold kills these things.
No extension cords either it would seem.
@@oldmanlearningguitar446the 120v charger doesn’t work at -20 and colder...
@@y2kxj Wrong. Efficiency falls at such temperatures but you can still charge an EV at that temperature (and where does the OP say it was below -20C?)
omg, so funny to see her stop at a ivy station with the model 3. The whole thing is being set up so dramaticaly, the car navigation was probably pointing to various tesla supercharger on her way, where she would just have need to stop 10-12 minutes to be good enought to reach ottawa, basicly a bathroom break.
I wonder if there was a similar situation finding gas stations back when we transitioned from horses to internal combustion, I would imagine so. It will take time for sure but we’ll get there eventually, it will however based on this report take some time. Very good informative well presented video.
Oil companies had an incentive to build gas stations to sell their product. Car manufacturers, other than Tesla, don't build charging stations. Also, extra gasoline can easily be taken on a trip where there are not gas stations. Try to do that with an electric car. Governments mandate things without solving problems; they expect someone else to solve the problems.
It’s all about control. And restricting your movement
Gas was sold in stores , like propane tanks nowdays.
Here's the difference:
The CONSUMERS chose cars over horses as cars became a better alternative for them than the horse.
With EV's the consumer is being forced to go with an EV regardless of their needs.
@@Incomudro1963 Yes interesting comment, here in Australia some states are actually trying pass legislation to add extra tax on EV buyers! I’m not sure what the future will hold for us here as far as going electric is concerned, we have long distance travel and very limited charging options as far as public charging. I guess if you live in the city and can charge from home it would be fine, I review motorcycles on my channel and am yet to see an electric one at any function I have attended. In saying that I have received emails from riders requesting I review electric motorcycles, these emails are becoming more frequent so I guess there’s an interest there. Well one thing for sure, the future of transportation is going to be very interesting.
The one major issue in this video is that it doesn't show them using any of teslas supercharging stations which would avoid these problems. The tesla hate is real, even when they make things a lot easier...
Yeah, I’d love to see Miss Technician try to rebuild the stater or diagnose the motor.
Give me a break.
As for the reporter….seeking out third party charging stations when superchargers are available is idiotic.
I live in Los Angeles. They power off our electricity in the summer occasionally when there is too much draw on the system. My friend works for edison company and says they don't have enough employees to maintain the current grid, let alone build new infrastructure. I have a friend whos electric vehicle that has been in the shop for 8 months because it keeps glitching.
What model of electric vehicle keeps glitching? Is it Hyundai?
When Toyota CEO said that he doesn't see pure EV cars on road anytime soon.
Why would he possibly discourage EVs and encourage gassers
He's right
I own the cheapest Tesla since 2019, and have driven MTLTO, MTLOTT, multiple times and all along the st-lawrence in Quebec, and done summer trips to the east coast. In five years, I have never gotten stuck, but it took a while to understand. You can't just rent a car for a day or you'll do goofy stuff like what is in the report.
One problem in this report, which I guess a lot of people might think at first, is that "Range" is some kind of useful real-world information. It's how long the car will go at 50 miles/hour... (aka 80 km/h) on flat terrain with no wind in the summer. That is what the test says. and that's if it's pure highway, not combined (which for EV's, makes it even less accurate.)
If you want to know how far your car will go on a trip you're going to make, you need to look at: headwind/tailwind?, is it snowing or raining? how hard, do you need heating or AC? how cold is the battery to start with? are you doing charging stops? etc... Nobody does that. Nobody needs to, they just enter the destination in the screen, and that car takes those things into account, and also based on your recent driving, and will give a pretty good guess at your range on that trip, and suggest where to charge if you need to. Oh, and it will guide you around traffic jams also.
The Range numbers are for doing apples to apples between different makes when shopping and is completely useless as a number for driving. if you're running at 120 km/h then you would take a 30% hit to fuel economy (electric or gas.) vs. what the rating says. Nobody's cheating... it's just physics. Air resistance means it's takes that much more energy to move the car. Your "range" went from 400km to 300km just like that.
Use the car's screen, and you won't be surprised.
Why is there no information about tesla prices and how many stations there was problems with? If 4 stalls where out on a 20 stall tesla station and they were repairing when you got there. I would say that is pretty good.
Because the "drama" of this story would be less impactful. Clicks = $$.