Putting electric cars to the test. Are we ready for 2035? (Marketplace)
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- Charging. Repairs. Range. We’re putting EVs to the test, revealing an unreliable and unregulated landscape despite the plan to go electric by 2035. CBC Marketplace hit the road with electric cars - a Nissan Leaf, Tesla Model 3 and Polestar 2 - testing challenges such as charging infrastructure and range. And we hear from experts who say electric vehicle manufacturers should be providing customers with cold-weather range data and sharing more information for independent mechanics to make repairs.
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1:51 - Testing range (part one)
3:10 - Testing charging and price
11:17 - Testing range (part two)
13:24 - Testing repairs
18:26 - Speaking with Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault
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One of the worst parts that wasn’t even mentioned was that you need AN APP FOR LIKE EVERY DIFFERENT CHARGER!! Imagine needing that to pump gas?!?? An esso, petro, shell, husky app or you CANT FILL UP!!
no kidding hey!
That’s not such a big deal.
@@GoSolarPlz yea but what if your not technology literate? Like it’s easy for some, but maybe others would find this very challenging or just don’t have the know how or access
@@colby6472 it’s super simple. The apps are good. The Tesla one requires no app to charge. Plug in. Charge as much as you want. Unplug when you’re done. Drive away. Credit card billed automatically
@@colby6472 plus non Tesla chargers have screens that walk you through everything
The government needs to mandate billing per kwh. Billing by time is completely unacceptable.
That’s an Ontario problem. Has to do with some antiquated laws.
@@Niko-iv4ch Nope it's the same in Quebec.
I agree, they should bill by kw/h, because it's fair. Some more affordable cars charge slower then pricier cars, so billing by hours cost more if you have a cheap car, which is highly unfair. The reason for billing by hour is so people don't leave their car plugged all day so to free up charging stations for other cars to charge, they bill by time. They should implement a hybrid billing solution. A battery charges fastest between 10% and 80% that part should be charged by kw/h, and by minutes for everything else. The reason is, it takes more time to go from 80 to 100% then 10 to 80%. That wold be a bit more fair.
@@Niko-iv4chIIRC there were similar laws in certain USA jurisdictions, something to do with you couldn’t sell by kWh unless you were a utility company. Therefore they have to charge you based on a service rendered.
@@Mountain-Viking Circuit électrique will convert to kWh billing shortlyl. The regulation governing their rates was published by the Quebec government last November.
god I can already picture people fighting over charging stations
Hunger Games.
People aren't fighting over petrol stations, and those where very rare once upon a time.
We are still in the infancy of this industry, tech is rapidly improving every year. Infrastructure is improving rapidly every year.
As demand grows it will keep accelerating further.
Just wait with switching until things have improved to the point where ev's become the better choice for you.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 that’s right it should be when it is right for a person to switch they can switch. For me and many others that would be never
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 What till you come across a person whos car has been fully charged for hours but refuses to move it as they are "too busy" walking around a mall. People freak out when someone fills up a gas powered car at a busy station, then decides to go in and use the washroom before moving on.
Liberals love that lol
How about interviewing people who represent the vast majority of people who love their evs and have excellent ev ownership experiences. I loved my ford evs, Kia Ev and Tesla ev my wife and I have owned.
That's great and your choice. Mandating that everyone must purchase an EV is not only ridiculous it's anti free choice.
However you look at it EV's have many negatives. The infrastructure will never support millions of EV's plugged in simultaneously.
They will never fare well in extreme cold either. The Liberals have made a bad investment with VW and Stellantis (approx. 26 Billion) to build 2 Auto battery plants.
The bust is already underway.
@@subaruguy7258 Who mandated you MUST purchase and EV? I hadn't heard of that law.
@@subaruguy7258Just a suggestion: don’t say “never” unless it breaks a law of physics. Otherwise, you will be proven wrong.
@@craigmilton9892 you can not purchased non ev car after 2035, they are banned. you drive old car or buy new ev. this is a law that other person says
@@st.k.4528 There is no country mandating that you MUST purchase an EV after 2035. Light duty cars, trucks and SUVs must be hybrids, electric or hydrogen-powered by 2035 in Canada. However, you can still keep your ICE vehicles and buy and sell them. If 11 years from now you can find anyone who wants them. Take it from an actual EV owner, every year, fewer and fewer folks are going to want to throw money away due to the inefficiency of ICE vehicles. Once the average driver sees how much you actually save with an EV and how much nicer the driving experience is, that will be the nail in the coffin. How many folks are still using their rotary dial phones, horse drawn carriages and console TVs?
Winter highway battery range test as a standard, legal requirement for auto manufacturers ✅
Also totally agree with this.
Gas cars too.
@@sfkjbgbut we know gas cars actually work lol 😅
If the battery gets too cold, it won't charge at all.
It's a non issue now that electric cars have heat pumps.
It always feels like these ministers have no clue about the edicts they issue.
Your not gonna find very many superchargers in northern Canada maybe US
Isn’t this always the case for the Trudeau government? 😅
Trust your feelings. It's most likely the case.
At least it's entertaining watching the edicts run into the brick wall of reality.
He knows exactly what's he's talking about actually,this video is just carrying an agenda.
The main issue was finding working charging stations but notice how much time was spent on ones that work versus 3rd party faulty ones?
Range in cold is no longer a huge issue,just like with a gas car you use more gas on the a/c not enough to have legal mile change posting.......
I live in Illinois and have both a 2023 Model Y and a 2023 Bolt EUV. Only twice have I every had a line at a charger with the Tesla, once during Christmas. Usually I have no issues and there are almost never problems with the chargers having a problem - possibly one bad charger at all out of over a year of trips. This includes driving to Texas once and to Florida another time. The Bolt charges so slow and relies on the CCS network, I don't even bother with it on long trips. However, for around the town trips, or going to St Louis and back, I only need to charge at home. Add up all your visits to the gas station within a 100 miles of your home and nix them from your life. Also, charging at home is so cheap that gas would have to be %1.50/gallon to compete with either the Model Y or the Bolt.
1) Tesla did it right and 2) The U.S. is probably doing a better job.
that's cool and all, but how many Americans have the option to charge at home? They are forcing 100% of the Americans to go to EVs, but not 100% of all Americans can charge at home to enjoy that benefit. And the country is moving towards housing options that are not as EV charger friendly, so as years go by less and less Americans will have this benefit.
@@saidtheblueknight Who forced you to buy an EV? I hadn't heard that EV ownership became a law.
@@saidtheblueknightWhat are you smoking? Everything you said is simply not true.
Good for you, I'm glad you are embracing homosexuality
Say what you will about Teslas (build quality, price, customer service, etc) but they have the most reliable charging network right now, especially if you plan on doing road trips. That was definitely a major factor in why I bought a MY over something like the Leaf or Mach E, etc.
I think the Minister needs to drive an EV in Western Canada during a cold snap when the temperature is below -30 C. Let’s say a trip from BC to Calgary or Calgary to Edmonton.
He's too busy taking jets and polluting 5000x as much as you to do a roadtrip like some kind of pleb.
😂😂
You know what MP Guibeault will say to you? He will say that you are wrong it is -40 degrees celsius. (Sarcasm)
And have him do it in a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, which won't work below -20C. It's basically a 2.5 ton brick in the cold.
No problems starting mine in -40, range is certainly reduced but I'll take that trade most of the time.
Wow. And this Environment Minister is making decisions for us all? He is a laughing stock. “Duh, that’s the first time I’ve heard about this”, says Steven Guilbeault. 🤣😂😅 Throw him out!
Have you heard of “cold weather highway range” estimates for cars? What would be the “standardized temperature”? Do we also include snow/ice conditions (which can have a significant effect on range?). No other jurisdiction in the world (not even Norway) has this type of range rating. I think that standardization of such a rating would help to educate new EV owners on the effects of cold weather on range, but the Minister’s reaction is reasonable (IMO).
@@hockeyfunGuess what? The Federal government sets these standards. It's not an "international standard". So yes, the federal government CAN EASILY make these standards a requirement in Canada. But they just DON'T WANT TO.
@@dash1dash2 Sure, so the question is should "cold weather highway range" standards be implemented. I am for them. Let's see if governments choose to adopt them.
Steven Guilbeaul doesn't seem to know any thing about EV's or anything else for that matter
@@hockeyfunICE vehicles have city/hiway mpg estimates why not the same thing for EV's onlybasedontemp/range??????
There are comments to just "charge from home overnight". With what?...an extension chord from your apartment or house strung down the street to where you found parking? Not every home has a driveway or garage, not every apartment building has parking. A lot of work needs to be done before the date in question. Why not have the entire fleet of government cars EV. Let them try to work out the kinks and see the challenges then perhaps the issues everyday people would be figured out quicker.
IMO, if you cant charge at home, need to tow, or have to drive 50% of your winter range a day or more than 100% of your range a week an EV is simply not for you. I own a model 3, and i have super charged once for 15 minutes on a trip to Ottawa for the weekend. And the rest at home
Ideally, in an place where you live in an apartment, you should be able to take high quality public transport and not need a car at all. But in a case where you must (or a system the forces you to) have a car then you must have a parking spot to leave it at night like an underground lot. That parking place should have access to charging by default
Did anyone else notice that there was no mention of how easy and dependable it was to use a Tesla charger. That trip was a farce. Anyone that owns an electric vehicle Knows your range would be cut and make sure they used a charger in between their origin and destination. Personally I drove from St Catharines Ontario to Alamagordo New Mexico and back with no issues along the way except for slowing down to reach my next charger a couple times. On the way back if I thought that would happen I would just program in a closer charger which was very simple. I will agree that public charging stations are charging way too much and no inconsistency in pricing . I know I payed over 5 times what I would pay at home for charging during off peak hours and around 4 time the cost of home charging during on peak hours.
Just wondering, how long did each charging stop take?
charging issues in an "emerging market" is like sitting at a gas station with "no gas"
Big issue: Too excited about the product, people are buying the idea too quickly before any real-time testing
He just admitted electric vehicles are not ready for anyone expecting a mature market
For EVs your house is the gas station. Your car needs electricity, your house has electricity and it's already billed to you. Condo's and apartments are getting them installed too, albeit very slowly. Basically the only situation where you need a "gas station" is on a road trip
@@fallere5125You're out of touch.
Home ownership is out of reach of many people. So that can't be the gas station you want us to believe it is.
Apartments and condos are not and will not roll out the level of charging needed to make your dream work. Between service upgrades needed and the potential grid impact, those apartments and condos won't be the gas station you want them to be.
As to being on the road, again, it's a cool dream but not everyone wants to take one pre-defined route east west in Canada. The infrastructure isn't there for unfettered mobility. It will never be there.
At the end of the day you need to realize how elitist you sound when you handwave serious concerns around integrating EVs into a working class paradigm. They will never work for them.
Especially when they have perfectly good thrifty and paid off ICE vehicles which suffer none of the shortcomings and limitations listed above.
Pull the other one and tell me that the guy or gal spending half their monthly wages on rent needs to finance a 45000 dollar electric pimple on stilts to make the weather less sad.
$15/hour charging. How long do they expect people to hang around waiting to charge?
They go shopping.
Meanwhile in my neighborhood, it’s $.25/hr to charge. Why the hell does Canada charge so much for electricity?!!
Real weird, we pay per KWH. € 0,72 per kwh is the most expensive that I've found, € 0,52-0,56 seems the standard.
And what if you only need 20 or 30 minutes worth of charging within that one hour; you'd still need to pay $15?!
@@DozyBeeChief the only way charging is worth $15/hr is if it’s delivering a very high rate of energy, such as 250kWh-350kWh, where a 75-85kWh battery, found in many EV’s could charge up in a reasonably short 15-20 minutes, taking into account tapering and charging curve, as many would place a higher value on time = money. Even so, $15/hr is still too high, but if you’ve gotta top off in the least amount of time, one may be able to justify the price.
I wonder if there was a similar situation finding gas stations back when we transitioned from horses to internal combustion, I would imagine so. It will take time for sure but we’ll get there eventually, it will however based on this report take some time. Very good informative well presented video.
Oil companies had an incentive to build gas stations to sell their product. Car manufacturers, other than Tesla, don't build charging stations. Also, extra gasoline can easily be taken on a trip where there are not gas stations. Try to do that with an electric car. Governments mandate things without solving problems; they expect someone else to solve the problems.
It’s all about control. And restricting your movement
Gas was sold in stores , like propane tanks nowdays.
Here's the difference:
The CONSUMERS chose cars over horses as cars became a better alternative for them than the horse.
With EV's the consumer is being forced to go with an EV regardless of their needs.
@@Incomudro1963 Yes interesting comment, here in Australia some states are actually trying pass legislation to add extra tax on EV buyers! I’m not sure what the future will hold for us here as far as going electric is concerned, we have long distance travel and very limited charging options as far as public charging. I guess if you live in the city and can charge from home it would be fine, I review motorcycles on my channel and am yet to see an electric one at any function I have attended. In saying that I have received emails from riders requesting I review electric motorcycles, these emails are becoming more frequent so I guess there’s an interest there. Well one thing for sure, the future of transportation is going to be very interesting.
I went to Buffalo from Toronto 2 months back and we got lucky to see that every Level 3 DC charger along the way actually worked!
Big problem is nonstop headache finding fuel - if u can fill up at home all good.
Government is pushing for more ev’s but first thing they need is enough charging stations.
Another issue is the grid can't handle having EV's, definitely during the winter when the grid is stressed enough.
Home charging is the best, makes going electric easy
@@colindavenport2619100% EV adoption would require upgrades. But that’s going to take decades. The grid has plenty of flexibility to charge EV’s during periods of low demand.
@@RockyMountainTesla That will, but there is another problem at play due to when solar production stops when people generally get home from work for most of the year.
@@colindavenport2619 EVs are inherently load shedable.
In fact the Canadian electrical code was recently changed so that you do on need to do a service upgrade to install a L2 charger. You just need to install a whole hose energy monitor to stop charging if you don't have enough headroom on your load calculation.
That is not to say things are perfect. "Smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell "virtual power plants" to utility providers (because they are ALSO inherently load-shedable). But the protocols are invariably proprietary. So if your proprietary water heater load sheds: that may be immediately negated by your "whole house energy monitor" telling your car it is OK to charge during the supper hour peak.
What a hell of explanation from the minister... seems that he is not totally aware about the reality... 2035? Hahahahhaha
He's off by 100 years or so.
These politicians drive gas cars
@@wjoseph-rx9mj he rides a bike and takes transit.
Might get lucky in 2050 lol
He should go back to climbing buildings like spider man , he has no clue even about heat pumps that don't work in - 20 below .
The video mentions in passing that almost all charging happens at home, but then spends almost the entire video talking about public charging. It also suggests that charging at home is cheap, but takes *hours*. People are generally home for hours, though, making the emphasis in the video inappropriate. It then shares an anecdote about one family on vacation, and about one car awaiting a battery replacement, but doesn't substantiate that these anecdotes are broadly representative of the typical EV buyer's experience. The video suggests that after 2035 people will be required to buy battery electric vehicles, which is false (in addition to millions of second-hand ICE vehicles, new plug-in hybrids that also have engines and gas tanks will also still be available at that time). These elements of the video are more sensational than journalistic, unfortunately.
Agreed that not everyone can charge at home. If I owned an apartment and wanted a new car after 2035, I'd likely prefer a plug-in hybrid. If I had a driveway, I'd likely prefer a full battery-electric vehicle. The sky likely won't fall in 2035 (if that date even holds), and this video doesn't do much to identify what it's actually going to be like in 11 years IMO.
It's a hit piece based on an argument of absolutes; which is meaningless in real life but unfortunately people will treat as fact.
Marketplace always does this to sensationalize the show. They have many flaws every Show
3:55 those "pumps" sure look a lot like diesel generators
There is some good information here. Availability and pricing is a very important issue.
Using a CHAdeMO charge vehicle, is not a realistic comparison to the majority of BEV vehicles. As there is less availability for those chargers.
For winter driving? Could you have mentioned the difference you car having a heat pump would make? Did you research battery per-conditioning? There are practices to learn in using any new vehicle.
Your discussion with the minister was interesting, I am not sure how informed he was on the minutia of the matter.
Your points on standardized charge prices and a possible practical range listing are important.
I plan on purchasing a BEV, but I see that innovation = less freedom when it comes to tech. It is time to regulate the manufacturers to protect the consumer. This carries over to ICE and BEVs.
Please do an episode on automotive subscription services and their expense. It makes me wonder if I really own the car I "buy".
Did you notice at 5:05 she was just shoving her phone with the chargepoint app open against the RFID reader at the chargepoint station. She definitely knew she had to add it to her wallet app, but wanted to take the opportunity to make EVs look bad
Subscription services for a car need to be revised. To my knowledge, Nissan is NOT doing that ever. Porsche and BMW are already doing it.
@kgb3209 why tf are there so many apps and hoops to jump through to charge the damn EV? She didn't make it look bad on purpose, it looks bad naturally
@@Levi-hs6mg You realize how long it took us to get Steam right. Eventually, 1 company will win the war.
@user-yi4vz4du9l your comment doesn't make sense. That isn't an equal comparison. We already have a perfect standard... tap/insert a damn credit card. They are trying to reinvent the wheel here and instead have made a way worse wheel
The savings you get from charging ends up spending up for food or drink while waiting.
I normally sleep while charging.
But I reckon you eat while you sleep?
You can also then "save money" by just filling up with fuel then say....working or being productive? How exactly do you think said charging stations get their power to charge EV's?
@@danielbaker7611
Said charging stations get their power from, coal, gas, wind, nuclear, sun, etc.
Does it matter?
An EV running on electricity from coal is still beter for the environment than an ICE running on gas or diesel. And there is little to no way the ICE will eventually be greener while an EV eventually gets greener because the coal, gas mix in the grid will be fased out as much as possible.
Will this happen tomorrow?
No, but it will happen.
Other countries already run their electric grid on > 90% renewables (Iceland, Norway, Puerto Rico)
Tires insurance time etc 😂
People need to stop and think of the realestate required if all vehicles are electric. A fast charge is still 45 minutes for the equivalent 5 minute fill up of gas. 9 times the amount of charging bays compared to gas filling bays, and that is the fastest charging tech.
Locally officials here are trying to grapple with those who don't have driveways. Are we going to allow massive cables across sidewalks at night to charge EV's
For now, but it will get faster and faster.
And gas will most likely get more expensive.
Especially in a war context in the Middle East.
Looks to me that gas pumps take up way more space. EV chargers sit at the head of parking lot spaces. A non-issue.
It’s the opposite. Most EV owners charge at home on their driveway.
For example, the stats over a year in my Tesla app show that I charged 85% at home, 12% at superchargers, and 3% at other locations.
Chargers are popping up at places of work etc plus remember many charge at home
I think my main issue with this is the testing was mostly for large metropolitan cities and travel between them. Take BC for instance, if you go North of Kamloops, yes there are "some" charging stations the more North you go, but they're 25-100kw charging (hours to charge to 80%) and can be maybe 2-3 stations at a time to share with. Hardly the 350kw fast charging network (15mins~) we need to make a travel network possible and tesla stations seem to stop showing up the more north you go as well. Honestly for those who need to travel or need to make visits going north than the major cities, you're likely still better off with a gas or a hybrid car/suv/truck. The foundation and maintenance is barely in place functionally for the major population centers, and when you're spending $50-100k+ for electric vehicles, not being able to go where you want, especially without the 15min DC 350kw fast charging, I see electric as nothing more than a rich person's spare vehicle for city commuting, not something I want for "road trips" or god forbid from what reviews have shown between Ford, Tesla and Rivian that their trucks are terrible at towing/hauling distance (less than a 1/4 of advertised distance).
Also, lately media has been covering this as well, but $20k-$60k for replacement batteries in cars in absurd, practically the price of vehicles so unless we start forcing companies to make these vehicles have modular, better swappable batteries for maintenance, these vehicles will be scrap every 5-10 years or whenever a minor repair is needed to the battery packs. I shudder to be the customers who get sticker shock paying for a new battery just cause a rock dented/punctured their battery pack somehow like some are being talked about. Insurance wont even touch it with a 10' pole, just write them off or not even cover them in some places.
And in other breaking news, hammers don't make good wrenches. EVs are fine for the vast majority of global driving. The average driving done by more than 80% of the world is approx. 60-80km per day. Almost every EV on the market can tackle that. If you need 500km per day. You need a different tool. This ain't rocket science.
Have ever noticed that the MP'S demanding we use EV'S are never seen using or owning but many videos of them in a gas powered or airplane ?
If we had a significant carbon tax: we would not have to switch everything to EVs.
Carbon-neutral synfuels should be an option for industries that are unable to electrify economically.
Unfortunately with the low price of fossil carbon: it is just cheaper to dig fossil fuel out of the ground.
Do you know the world doesn't have a CO2 problem ? CO2 is at it's lowest since the last ice age 180,000 yrs ago the world has a pollution problem if CO2 levels drop any lower all life well become extinct
Lol I drive to Toronto and Ottawa bi- monthly in my Model Y - this clip is a joke. I agree the environment minister is a joke and an EV mandate is crazy.
🤔
I don't think they drove a model Y
@@Foof0811they drove a Model 3, which is more efficient than a Model Y. There were also 4 or 5 superchargers along the way, too.
This is why i am baffled by this video. Would anyone drive their gas car for the exact estimated range before considering going to fill up at a gas station? Like literally letting the needle hitting the red empty mark then look for a gas station???
@@Foof0811it was a model 3 standard range used in the clip. But I think that the point here is, just stop at a Supercharger for 10-15 minutes on the way there. Do you really want to arrive at your destination with 2% charge anyway?
@@lungor36I know, that part of the episode is so contrived. And when you finally decide to stop and charge, why go to a third party charger when the Tesla Supercharger network is the gold standard (and your car will navigate you there and precondition the battery for you .
The tesla used in the video, is a standerd range RWD model. Those who travel regularly should consider upgrading to the long rage version which gets over 500 kilometres. Another problem regarding the test done here, is that no one would ever drive a car to empty or near empty, not even with a gas car. The route Marketplace took had tens of chargers on the way. If they would have stopped at 2 they could have saved time and would have no range anxiety.
Essentially, a 2.5 hours journey with a gas car will take much longer with an EV that has to stop and charge. Think about the immense economic impact this will have. EVs are fantastic but we aren't at the point yet where gov't needs to mandate EVs
A road trip where everything goes smoothly doesn’t make good television. Almost all networks are anti-Tech because it caters to the old population that watches their show.
I drive to nearly empty with a gasoline car, because I have a lot of confidence in finding a gas pump that actually works.
@@bbgator1get an EV that you believe will do better, take it on a ride, record your findings, publish it.
@johnp139 And a nearly empty gasoline car won't destroy the tank capacity. It's better for Lithium-Ion battery to never stay above ~80% or below ~20% for long periods because that's what damages their capacity.
I wish more cars, especially entry-level models, used LiFePO4 instead since those batteries are more resilient to complete charges/discharges cycles and makes for EVs that should last a lot longer with their full range intact.
It took approx 80 yrs for ICE cars to be developed to the point of good reliability and safety that was affordable to the general public.Govt`s are trying to introduce millions of Ev`s in 5 or so yrs that should be the same standard,or better.It`s not going to happen.The public are not going to buy,or lease a car that could burn your house down with your family inside,even if the chances of that happening are extremely low.EV`s are still in the experimental stage, and the public don`t want to be part of the experiment.
Ev's are finished, my friend. The experiment is over.
I don’t understand why we don’t put more focus on plug in hybrids for the next 10-15 years until the vehicle and charging technology/infrastructure improves. If you could cut fuel use 50-75% with PHEVs that would be a huge improvement vs having an unrealistic plan that is highly likely to fail.
A voice of reason in the comments section ❤
There's a reason why Toyota hasn't jumped in with both feet to make fully electric vehicles, they know that hybrid and plug in hybrid makes more sense for most people.
They make a ton more sense. Just based on the weight of the battery alone they make more sense.
Very valid point, however - I would say, you’re still responsible for the combustion portion of the engine… which means combustion type maintenance, on top of possible expensive battery replacement - a soft estimate ranging from probably $150-$180/kwh battery size. So a phev battery of 30-40 kWh, that’s $150 to $180 per kWh cost to replace… depending on manufacturer and type of material used in their battery, not including the $1k labour cost.
The focus has to be on building the infrastructure. If in the meantime you want to buy a hybrid then buy a hybrid.
The route they planned to Ottawa has 5 fast chargers along the way. There was no reason to do what they did - just plop in the destination and the car will figure out what stops you need to make.
You never drive a gas car to empty like this, but you really shouldn’t fully discharge a battery like this for no reason.
This is true. I rarely run my gas car below 1/4 on a long drive. And I would never enter traffic in a big city, at the end of long drive, without a full tank for fear of geting stuck for hours in a massive traffic jam.
Yes u do ive done it many times 😂😂😂 and it only takes 2 minutes to refill and drive another 1200 km's ❤
They were testing RANGE, not how many superchargers happen to be in a specific geographic area.
I've watched dozens if not hundreds of TH-cam videos where EV drivers test the range of their vehicles in varying conditions and they don't jinx themselves by putting themselves in a situation where they're likely to run out of battery charge far away from a charger. It's as if the producer wanted them to fail. The thing about driving an EV any distance beyond a daily commute is that you have to plan and understand your vehicle's capabilities in all conditions. I could make a gas vehicle look impractical too if I tried. If you want to prove range, then do that. If you want to show the practicality of a road trip, then do that. But try to be sensible about it. For what it's worth, as many more charging stations are built, most of these issues will become moot. There are folks who have already accomplished cross-country road trips in EVs and they had little to no issues. Just sayin'.
True but they where testing the range they got vs range stated. It was literally a test drive
I’ve owned a Tesla model 3 for the last 4 1/2 years and never had a problem with charging on road trips and at home. Spending like 60 bucks a month in charging on average.
@@debbiekonkin5768 Lol, another user error story. You couldn't have figured out that before you dropped 10s of thousands of dollars on on the Lightning? EV range is already very sensitive on a normal vehicle getting 400km, what did you think was going to happen if you to tow a boat with an EV truck? The Lightning is obviously best for city contractors needing to tow gear and construction material.
@@debbiekonkin5768 The Lightning has a gigantic battery and garbage charging capacity. Peak 150 kW charging is pretty slow for DC fast charging. If you had waiting to pay for it until a few reviewers had discussed it, you would have seen that you would be spending a lot of time charging. The Kia EV9 should have much faster charging capacity - as long as you have 1) one of the fairly uncommon 350 kW charging bays and 2) a pull through charger. I have seen both in Sullivan MO but I don't think they are that common yet, unfortunately. If Tesla ramps up the cybertruck, with its fast charging, as starts installing their V4 chargers in a pull through set up, it will be much better for towing. That won't be handy just for towing a trailer, but also for being accessible to all manufacturer's cars, since the charging ports are all over and being able to pull the car in either side would help.
Good. Start paying your fair share of the road taxes
@@bowbender1 My state has higher registration fees for electric cars. States could also tax DC fast charging, maybe they do, I am not sure.
@martalli not sure about the states. But in Canada, road tax is built in the price of fuel. I'm sure it won't be long before that's added to people's hydro bills
I live in Los Angeles. They power off our electricity in the summer occasionally when there is too much draw on the system. My friend works for edison company and says they don't have enough employees to maintain the current grid, let alone build new infrastructure. I have a friend whos electric vehicle that has been in the shop for 8 months because it keeps glitching.
What model of electric vehicle keeps glitching? Is it Hyundai?
Just love how you said a problem that a Tesla charger I’ve had my Tesla for three years now and have never seen this problem. Seen a couple down chargers had to wait a few minutes one time but for the most part 99.9% of the time I’ve just plugged in charged and gone.
Plugged in, and waited a long time to charge, and then gone.
@@bigglyguy8429 This reminds me to call my credit card company since it decline to authorize a payment to fill up for gas yesterday. Do I blame the gas station or the credit card? Is this a similar infrastructure problem they mention when it comes to EV charging?
I live in a city in Canada with a large amount of e-cars and wonder why do people stay in their car for hours while charging?
@@myleghurts3546
I know nothing about the process of charging but I would think
that a car left to charge at a charging station for an hour or more
wouldn't be much more in danger of theft than a car left
in a massive parking lot at a major mall for an hour or more.
If a thief saw someone get out of a car and start walking 80 metres
to go into a huge shopping center with over 100 stores
that thief would know that the person is very likely
not coming back to their car for a long time
and it seems that it doesn't take long to steal a car.
Or for another example, a thief seeing people leaving cars in the morning
at a commuter parking lot at a subway station or commuter train station
knows that almost all the people leaving their cars there
are going to work and won't be back for at least 8-10 hours.
I cannot help but think they were digging through plugshare trying to find a charging site with problems. I have also never seen a Tesla supercharging site with that going on, in a year of driving, including some long distance driving. Let's note that the worst 'down charger' Tesla site they could find had three blocks spots while something like 9 chargers were open and in use.
GM is presenting a bill in US congress where not only no one but GM Service Centers will be allowed to work on your vehicles, they also want to shut down sales of aftermarket parts, so if you own GM vehicle, you will only be able to buy parts from GM dealership, the bill is expected to be lobbied heavily, therefore it may pass.
Hate this type of stuff.
@SkylarkTorch
They are trying to take a page out of Tesla, as Tesla already does that.
Also if GM is successful, obviously other companies will file same requests, and they'll have to be granted, government can't grant it to one manufacturer but not the others.
John Deere has lost its right to repair lawsuit. Look it up , as it should be precedent setting
GM is also the company that delayed the electric car by 20 years by selling the EV-1 battery patents to an oil company.
GM cant stop making horrible decisions
Been driving an EV for 5 years, never going back to ICE. Every morning full battery, starts every time in the cold, at ultra low rates $5.00 per 1000km, no oil changes, no exhaust system, brakes last for ever, gas stations are for a pee and a snack.
5 years?? Lol. Wait another 5 and let us know how you feel when you spend another $20K for a new battery. But it's okay. All the gas money you saved in those ten years should cover the cost of that new battery...😂
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After 5 years my range loss is 5%, has not changed much in the last 2 years. You missed the 1 in front of the 5, so far all the studies with data from 1000s of EV’s show at 750,000km I will still have 80% of my range left.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 If you say so.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 there are limitations with an ev, one being you will never leave a primary road or highway ever again!
Why is there no information about tesla prices and how many stations there was problems with? If 4 stalls where out on a 20 stall tesla station and they were repairing when you got there. I would say that is pretty good.
Because the "drama" of this story would be less impactful. Clicks = $$.
Same problem in Arizona, batteries overheating decreasing range plus you're running the a/c rather than heater.
? maybe in a leaf which doesn't have active cooling. I've been through Arizona a half dozen times in temps over 110 with my Tesla and never had an issue.
I’ve driven our ten-year old Tesla for most of its life through SoCal, Arizona, and Nevada with no issue. The problem you’re mentioning is mostly with Nissan’s LEAF, which is long-known to have a battery notoriously bad at longevity, charging, and BMS.
The LEAF should have been pulled from the market a decade ago, or at the very least, be barred from being sold in any location where it regularly gets above 90° F.
There’s almost nothing good about a LEAF, except being able to pick a low-mileage used one for less than 4k to be used for local commutes only and only charged at home or at work. Stopping to charge a LEAF anywhere else is a genuine PITA.
For clarity, I don’t mean to sound like I’m picking on the LEAF, but if Nissan had updated its battery chemistry, it’s BMS, its cooling, and its access to CCS years ago, it would be a much better vehicle.
I have two Teslas in Arizona and have also had zero issues over my 3+ years. The only thing I dislike about them in the heat is the glass roof. I wish they had a non-glass "base" option or something.
@@JustinAZ Two telslas? You're 100% committed to this, no matter what, so no amount of logic and common sense will ever get through. 3+ years...I'm guessing one of the cars is just over 3, and the other is new. Let's talk in 5-7 years
You chose the lowest range Tesla for this test , and never touched on how easy Tesla supercharger network is.
Yeah and the car’s navigation makes it so easy. I drive through Europe with zero planning.
The Canadian public would like to see choices in the type of vehicle we drive we would like to see car that have always worked the way they are supposed to work. Fill it up and drive it until it's low on fuel and repeat. EVs don't provide this especially in the cold Canadian winters.
How long have you been an EV owner. What model did you buy?
They got Guilbeault lookin like a man who sleeps under his desk. Lol. Not a job I'd wish on anyone right now. The whole 2035 mandate thing seems so undercooked. They should have just started with some smaller changes before announcing something so ambitious.
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They could have put more emphasis on hybrids before going all electric. I don't know why they didn't do that in the first place.
Own a ID.4 with a heat pump, drove to Ottawa from Toronto (this past December) on one 45 minute charge @ electrify Canada station - free charge since they have a deal with VW(4 years free charging).
Cost me nothing for that drive
Perhaps you mean you spent nothing, rather than "cost" you nothing. The cost was built into the price of the vehicle. Is it the 1400 kWh offer?
I should preface I was a Scrooge for a year, saved wherever I could to afford an ev, sacrificed for it. It can be done.
@@christopherhwee3286 wow you must have a high paying job to have enough disposable income to save enough in a year to buy a vehicle with a $48,495 to $61,495 MSRP
It costs you the price of driving and looking at that atrocious vehicle. A used gas car is still way cheaper and doesn't require 45 minutes to fill up.
Yeah, when they work ev's are just better cars, especially in day to day use. But the industry is still in it's infancy and in a lot of areas there is still the chicken and egg problem.
Tech is rapidly getting better, infrastructure is rapidly improving. It will simply take a few years before things smooth themselves out to a point where they make sense for everyone.
Things will only get better from here forward. Programs like this are trying to put them into the role they are not expexted to fullfill for another decade. That is why the goal is set at 2035 and not 2025.
Also, another point I would like to make about electric vehicles. To achieve the best possible charging experience if the electric vehicle and I’ll use Tesla as an example knows that you’re heading to a charging location so you would pick a charging location on the map. The computer will precondition the batteryand optimize the travel so that not only you can reach the supercharger but also the battery will be warm enough in the winter time to accept the fastest possible charge. It’s not a perfect technology, but compared to other OEMs. Tesla has the best battery management system in the industry.
Most other EVs do this as well. Rivian, Kia, Ford do at least for sure. Probably all of them. Some even allow you to just manually start the preconditioning without it trying to "guess" based off your GPS destination.
Then there's the statement, often overlooked, that says something to the effect of "Fast charging or Supercharging may reduce battery life".
Do tell?
@@nephetula - if you’re constantly relying on only supercharging, as that’s your only means of charging the vehicle then yes, over long period of time you could suffer battery degradation. What’s funny is people run out to purchase an EV without doing the proper research. It does take a bit of education, and I guess it would be great if there was a common neutral source of information that clearly defines what the current electric vehicle charging and expectations are. Our society has been so used to gas and go. That going to an electric vehicle much like it was back in the day going from a horse and buggy to a combustion engine. It took some time for those folks to make the transition I believe our electric vehicle infrastructure is somewhere between the horse and buggy stage or better yet, the gas and electric stage. I truly believe we will get there. It’s just gonna take a little more time.
And for those who have chosen to embrace the new technology, really need to ensure that they educate themselves, so that they are best prepared and get the best possible experience.
@@Cttechexpress I have a Bolt EUV and that thing doesn't know anything about preconditioning the battery before getting to a charger. Since it cannot charge faster than 60 kW I guess it does not really matter. However, I have to second the idea that Tesla has been making competent EVs for a decade and has much less of the serious faux paus that other manufacturers have experienced, whether it is software (VW) or AC Charging failures (Hyundai/Kia)
Canadians will remember Minister Steven Guilbeault for decades to come.
I had a 2012 Nissan LEAF, and now have a 2022 LEAF. For fast charging, I've mostly used Electrify America with a credit card. I encountered one bad credit card reader on the south side of Indianapolis; EA was able to take my card over the phone and start the charger remotely. One time at Chargepoint in Washington PA the Chademo plug would not release, and I had to cycle the power at the disconnect switch to get the connector unplugged. Other than that, I've had good luck taking the 2022 LEAF on road trips, so far.
A lot of campgrounds have electric outlets for RVs, which can be used for level 2 charging as well.
It won't take the campsite owners too long to ban that practice or charge excessive fees.
@@StephenShawCanada Or, as many hotels do, they use fact that there is charging as a selling point. Get a room and free night charging! People with EVs look for this options.
But even with fees, it is ok, no problem there, unless they are not crazy high.
@@debbiekonkin5768 So go to hotel without charging ...
Ev's are catching fire at an alarming rate all over the world.
@j.barren3738 if this is alarming than what are ICE car fires which take place 10x more often?
Your example, driving the Tesla between Pickering and Ottawa seems a little contrived. In the video you didn't make it to your destination because you ran out of charge, however between Pickering and Ottawa are a dozen different Tesla Superchargers, if you made a 10 minute stop at any one of them, as your car no doubt would have recommended, then you would have easily reached your destination.
It's a bit of a dis-service to your viewers to imply the Tesla couldn't make the drive from Pickering to Ottawa. I've driven all over North America (Cabot Trail, Vancouver BC, Utah, Key West...) with our Tesla Model 3 and the supercharging network has never let us down.
I disagree - they pointed out that at the start the should have had more than enough range, and well before the end they were on empty
I've driven my suv from Toronto to Ottawa and back 3 times
I should have enough range to make the trip with about 1/8th of a tank given its all highway and I can drive conservatively
And each time I make it with that amount, despite weather and the car being years older.
The point is to show the range estimates are wildly unreliable regardless of how conservative you drive because other factors make a critical dent in your range
Which I believe they showed
@@Foof0811 Indeed, unrealistic range estimates did seem to be a theme of the report.
I agree- Its something like when your cell phone is showing 100% and when you want to take some videos during -20 weather, it crashes (as the battery freezes)@@Foof0811
@@Foof0811 The car recommended they drive the speed limit, they didn't, that would have a negative impact on range.
Ultimately why not include charging when they designed the test as that's how real EV drivers would drive and it'd be a more accurate representation of the typical EV driving experience.
Agree, and did they not stop at all for coffee or the washroom? 10 mins at any of the chargers would have been more than enough. Been driving EV's in Canada for years without issue. And you would really have to look for a charger with a wait...I've never had, or even seen, a wait.
The amount of power needed to charge out paces many cities in power requirements. This is so dumb.
My EV will tell you, when you punch in the destination, how much battery % will be remaining when you reach it. If it's further than the range of the battery, it will look for places to charge. So you don't actually have to do that math. Again, some manufacturers are *very* optimistic with their stated range. They do this for marketing purposes, but it's not very ethical IMO.
That brand is the famous mentioned in this CBC piece.
Not just public charging infrastructure. But also mandate or incentivize charging setup inside parking garages for condominiums and townhouses.
@@tbl268 condo boards are not the public. They are in effect another layer of Gov. They aren’t going to start installing chargers for no reason. Why is the public chargers overused if you ask? Not just from just the travellers, but also from people who don’t own houses with personal garages or street parking in front of their porch. “The public “ would not have the sway nor the time to budge the condo boards. Hence a mandate would level the field and allow condo boards to do this together without dragging their feet.
@@Jason.W. Condo boards are private businesses. They're in no way "another layer of government". They install chargers because the condo board (aka the owners of the condos in the buidling) gets together and decide to install the changers.
That was in place in Ontario. Premier Doug Ford eliminated it.
Oh ya? So how much does the rent go up for people that can't afford EV's that live in these condominiums and townhouses? Or did you want to use tax dollars from the working Canadians that can't afford an EV to fund the project? Buy your own charging station.
@@chrislevisen1010 the point is, condos won’t do it at all, hence the over reliance on public chargers, which are time sensitive usages; and any problems with them are magnified. Charges and who pays are another matter that can be solved if the problem is prioritized by Gov mandate.
What I find weird is that Tesla navi plans the stops along the way to your destination, no matter if you arrive with no battery or plenty to go; also, it even tells you how long to charge at each stop. Why didn't Charlsie get any charging stops for 400km? Because the option was disabled on the car. That's the only reason I can think of.
She turned it off to spin the story.
Incredibly frustrating. I thought I trusted CBC to be impartial. Now I question their integrity.
Disappointingly the CBC test must have been designed to fail. You really have to go out of your way to run out of charge in a Tesla.
the full charge said the car had 425km of range, her destination was 410km so the full charge should have been enough.....she was proving a point, maybe you should watch it again.
@@toddhillier3625 It is typical for the car to use more than estimated power when you crank up the heater & drive faster than the speed limit.
CBC Marketplace is all about sensationalism. They go out of their way to blow things out of proportions (not just this episode, pretty much all of them) and make a big deal out of things that are literally non-issues
19:50 Pretty annoying that the environment minister doesn't know/understand the proper unit of energy. Yes it's a common error people make, but it's still a very significant and problematic error, something that a high level official should know about.
There are many Tesla Supercharger options between Pickering and Ottawa. The car would have automatically re-routed you to the next Supercharger. Notice how much of the supposed problems with EVs are with legacy OEMs. And since you cut it out of the video, I'm guessing the reporter made it to Ottawa with no issues.
Great hit piece CBC.
Those electric charging "pumps" sure are a problem. The script for this piece sounds like the writer did 20 seconds of research and the reporter didn't bother to check that in advance.
I noticed that. She didn't even air quote it.
lol it's a simple mistake. New stuff sometimes trips people up. I imagine it's especially stressful when someone's sticking a camera in your face. Cut them some slack.
They do have pumps.. they run coolant through the charge cable..
Demeaning Comments like yours show lack of understanding and dismissal of real issues faced (I am a very happy EV owner) and don't help with adoption of the technology going forward. We can all do better.
@@JadSinno As a Tesla owner who has been to some of these charger, I don't think you understand how biased and false this is. At 1 point she tried to use a Chademo adapter to charge a model 3... The adapter says "for S/X use only" because Tesla dropped chademo support in 2017. More importantly, its 55kw, and across the parking lot is 12 Tesla super chargers that do 250kw... So literally 5x the charging speed.
Thats not a mistake. I'm confident that chademo charger is fine, and also confident that this is for drama and slander knowing she could see the Tesla chargers.
Traditional OEMs don't make money on EVs, but they pay 2/3 of CBC's budget. Tesla doesn't advertise.
I even have anxiety when my phone battery is low, I cannot handle this stress
Same here, my phone battery is at 5% right now and I don't even know if I'll have time to finish this messa{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER
Do petrol cars have to post a winter range as well? How accurate are they at predicting range? Even less as far as my experience says. The main difference is that there are more gas stations that are more convenient. Charging stations will increase at more convenient locations as there are more EV’s on the road. It is busy happening….
On a cold day, short trips on ICE are going suck gas, but on a longer commute (over 15mins) they don't lose anywhere near the range of an ev. Furthermore, my 15 year old ICE car will get about the same mileage it did when it was new Can that be said for an EV even half or even a quarter of that age?
I own the cheapest Tesla since 2019, and have driven MTLTO, MTLOTT, multiple times and all along the st-lawrence in Quebec, and done summer trips to the east coast. In five years, I have never gotten stuck, but it took a while to understand. You can't just rent a car for a day or you'll do goofy stuff like what is in the report.
One problem in this report, which I guess a lot of people might think at first, is that "Range" is some kind of useful real-world information. It's how long the car will go at 50 miles/hour... (aka 80 km/h) on flat terrain with no wind in the summer. That is what the test says. and that's if it's pure highway, not combined (which for EV's, makes it even less accurate.)
If you want to know how far your car will go on a trip you're going to make, you need to look at: headwind/tailwind?, is it snowing or raining? how hard, do you need heating or AC? how cold is the battery to start with? are you doing charging stops? etc... Nobody does that. Nobody needs to, they just enter the destination in the screen, and that car takes those things into account, and also based on your recent driving, and will give a pretty good guess at your range on that trip, and suggest where to charge if you need to. Oh, and it will guide you around traffic jams also.
The Range numbers are for doing apples to apples between different makes when shopping and is completely useless as a number for driving. if you're running at 120 km/h then you would take a 30% hit to fuel economy (electric or gas.) vs. what the rating says. Nobody's cheating... it's just physics. Air resistance means it's takes that much more energy to move the car. Your "range" went from 400km to 300km just like that.
Use the car's screen, and you won't be surprised.
Your first problem is buying a Nisan leaf. 😂
Yes, that's true. The Nissan Leaf uses the CHAdeMO charging standard, which is far less common than CCS or NACS. For an analogy, they bought betamax instead of vhs essentially.
Did you see the lady tried to charge a Model 3 with a Chademo adapter. The 3 never supported chademo, thats 55kw, and I know that charger, because it's across the lot from 12 super chargers.
That is a hit-piece if I ever saw one. Both lying about the "ifrastructer" saying that charger didn't work, and lying about the Tesla.
That probably is an ivy stall at an ONroute. Those units are CCS+Chademo. What they did was strap a Tesla adapter on the Chademo line. Not ideal for sure and just as prone to failure.
Yeah, the woman bought a Leaf and wondered why she couldn't find a fast charger to fast charge her car. Why did she not research anything about the Leaf before purchasing it? Two minutes out of her day would have given her all the information she would have needed to purchase the right vehicle for her needs.
Nissan should update the Leaf or pull it from the marketplace as it is painfully outdated and helps to make EVs look bad in general. The latest version of the Leaf has a max charging capacity of only 62.5kw, and good luck finding a CHAdeMO charger in the US. The Bolt has the same issue with a Max charging capacity of only 55kw. Thankfully, GM has stopped producing the Bolt and will introduce a better version in the future. Since these vehicles are small and affordable, they've helped to misinform the public on the advantages of owning an EV. Additionally, the Bolt's flawed LG pouch batteries helped to spread FUD about the safety of EVs and EV fires.
@@drewchristy The Leaf is my preferred EV. But I don't really want to rely on the 1 CHAdeMO charger in the neigbouring cities.
Apparently you can now get a CCS adapter. The CHAdeMO and CCS standards do the safety checks in a reverse order: so any adapter needs a battery to actively manage both sides of the connection.
Where is all the extra electricity going to come from?
You can charge at night when there are lots of spare capacity.
More recent EVs have the technology to feed back power to your home or the grid.
The coal plants are working overtime to supply electricity
@@j.barren3738 In Canada, 10% of electricity comes from coal, 60% from Hydro.
@@j.barren3738 In 2019, about 92% of electricity in Ontario was produced from zero-carbon sources: 59% from nuclear, 24% from hydroelectricity, 8% from wind, and 1% from solar. Ontario has about 38.45% of the Canadian population while Québec has 22.98%.
With over 40 850 MW of installed hydroelectric capacity, hydropower generates 94% of Quebec’s electricity. Québec has 22.98% of the Canadian population.
That means only looking at Ontario and Québec, nearly 57% of Canadians use clean electricity. There's probably at least another 10 to 20% Canadians using clean energy from all other provinces combined, you can look it up yourself.
what was the outside temperature during testing? it didn't look that cold.
She's in the warmest province to be in this winter and didn't even have her coat zipped up. This wasn't a real test in my opinion.
Having a PHEV and no charger in my building is already so annoying for me. I will choose either MHEV or gas vehicles without a doubt if I were to choose again.
Honestly having purchased a Polestar 2 LRSM in 2023, I agree with her. Owning and EV and not having a level two charger at home makes EV ownership extremely difficult and time consuming.
Well yeah, of course. If you're going to buy an EV why don't you get a charger installed at home??? Thats kinda basic and should have been looked at before you buy an EV.
So are you gonna buy one?
@@user-po6jb4gj6z Not everyone has an opportunity to have a charger at home. ie no off street parking or live in an an apartment. Once EV's become mandatory, these people are screwed
It costed me $150 to install a NEMA 14-50 in the garage and get a used 3.6KW 16A EVSE that I re-wired to be my home charger.
Ebay and habitat for humanity make finding a great deal a walk in the park. The EVSE was actually brand new because it had a 6-20p, and only costs $60. Same for the 14-50 from habitat near RV stuff. The 14-50p I got for $9 on Ebay and $70 for wiring.
should have done your homework
Experience most of this with Tesla and other EV cars when my Tesla is in the shop and rented an EV or Gas car. But Tesla has less issues and much faster services but I always full charge everyday at home before I go anywhere unless I go on a road trip
I have owned a Tesla Model 3 for over a year and I drive from FL to NC regularly. I have only encountered one charging problem and that was due to vandalism. Someone broke the charging tip so I just moved down to the next stall, there were 12 total.
the moment Steven Guilbeault said "your sample is a very small one" says it all about the government.
Why is Justin’s suvs not going ev’s???
standardized batteries. Size ,mounting so one battery will fit a number of vehicles of different makes and models.
Currently, they're so deeply embedded in the chassis that you need to rip the car apart to get to them, and they're glued together (for waterproofing) to the extent they're unserviceable. We're no closer to batteries being swappable than gas tanks. The tech's also in such an early stage that batteries are all totally different, from chemistry to form factor to configuration. You can't standardise what's undergoing rapid development and experimentation.
my person experience... I own a Tesla and a gas truck. have only had the Telsa since May 2023. Took it to Montreal in November (temperature ranged from 7 to 3 degrees from Toronto to Montreal). Range told me while leaving I would need to charge once. Needed to charge 3 (almost 4) times, turned off the heat, stopped charging my phone and made it to Montreal with about 20%. On the way home, I got stuck between charges and had to charge at a non-Tesla charger and that is a horror story in its self. Don't get me wrong, car is well worth it - not visiting gas stations ever, no oil changes or regular maintenance, car is serviced when needed in my driveway (had a seatbelt fault that needed to be adjusted). while using for regular daily or short trips is 100% worth it. Will I take it on a longer trip in the summer - yes, will I take it on a longer trip in the winter - no.
@shootfergus, did you enter your destination into the nav or did you just start driving, go by the "rated range", and hope to find a charger once you got close to empty? I've had a Telsa model 3 for 4.5 years now, and my experience is VERY different. I always enter the destination into the nav, then the car analyzes the route and tells me where to charge, how much battery I'll have at each stop, how long to charge at each stop, and it's VERY accurate. I drive from Ajax to Sudbury several times a year and have had zero problems when doing it that way.
@@andrewdowdall2690 here's my trip in a nutshell (I have a feeling I know that issue and it's the new battery type) I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100%
Destination was entered in the Nav
Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip
Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120
During the trip - Nav moved stop from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20%
What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather.
Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery?
Side notes: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger.
I live in Pickering and drive to the office (downtown Toronto) on a regular basis... in the summer I would go from 100% and arrive at 88 to 89%, now in the winter (if you want to call this winter) I am arriving at work at 78 to 79%
Don't worry about charging your phone. That doesn't come from the main battery and your phone will sip. I typically am comfortable driving down to 10%. It's just something to get used to.
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I have the single battery model 3 with the new battery (LFP) that is supposed to be charged to 100% all the time vs only charging to 80% as a standard - range is 430KM at 100%
Destination was entered in the Nav
Nav suggested one-stop in Gananoque to complete my trip
Using all heat options (seats / steering wheel / air) charging two phones and self drive (not full autonomous) driving at about 120
During the trip - Nav moved from Gananoque to Kingston arriving at 8-10%. Battery consumption continued to drop so I charged up in Napanee (arrived at about 20%) charged to 80% Nav suggested I would make my trip to Montreal. Shortly after leaving Napanee car said I wouldn’t make it and needed to charge again in Gananoque. After only 30KM’s I had dropped almost 20% of battery so decided to stop in Kingston and top-up to make the trip. Charged a little past what car told me I needed to make the trip. Back on the road. Arriving in Montreal at around 40%, battery was dropping like a fly and quickly had me stopping in Cornwall to charge up, said I only needed a top-up but at this point the stress was getting to me and I filled up to about 90% and then made it to Montreal with 20%
What I have read since… don’t use cabin heat, use steering wheel and seat warmers. Stay under 120 KM/h. Possible that the LFP battery is just horrible in cold weather.
Again, I don’t want people to get me wrong, I love this car, just don’t know… is this just life with an EV, do I need to make adjustments, is newer type battery even worse in the cold, do I have a bad battery?
Side note: on my way home had to stop at an IVY charger at one of the ONRoutes and they are so slow… slower than my home charger.
Honestly, we all know oil companies only have profits in mind. If an oil company owned one of the charging station companies, it is only in their best interest to give the customer a terrible experience....... Since it would prolong the use of gas cars and create uncertainty in the market buyers.
It’s the oil and gas companies that get you the power to charge! It’s called base load energy and renewables will not cover it!!!
I'm disappointed in your review.
First : you forgot to mention you removed the suggested recharge stop from the Tesla GPS to get the messages. There are 10 superchargers between Pickering and Ottawa.
Second, you didn't say the charging cost per hour is disappering : it was forbiden until very recently by Natural Resources Canada.
Third, you forgot to mention, there will be a new standard for charging next year : NACS. All manufacturers have confirmed except Stellantis for now.
Fourth, you said charging at home takes hours but forgot to say EV owners charge at night while they sleep.
Fifth, you mention the line of cars waiting. This is very rare. Anecdotal. 4 cars waiting for 6 spots. Usually, charging time is about 15-20 minutes. Some of the 6 cars might have been almost ready to leave. So, I guess you waited in line. Would have been nice to tell how long you waited.
Sixth, when you get to a full supercharger, and you have battery left, you should not wait, and head for the next supercharger. Unless you waited until your battery is almost empty. The same as with a gas car : if you have an empty tank at night, and not in a city, there are chances gas stations are closed! Bad planning. With a gas car, it has been recommended for years to not travel with the tank below half in the winter. What is the difference with an EV?
You are giving amunitions to the anti EV crowd.
There are problems with some companies repairing EV, but it's the same for gas cars. Bad companies.
There are a lot problems with charging companies, but it looks like Tesla is as bad as the others when it's not.
I've had a Tesla for 4 years. Did over 25000 km on road trips this year. Never had a supercharger not working. Once, à couple of stalls were being repaired by technicians. Twice, my car wouldn't charge, but the other stalls beside it worked fine. Once, I had to wait in line. But when I had a gas car, I did OFTEN wait in line. Especially at Costco where it sometimes overflow in the streets.
Like I said... Very disappointed.
Thank you Dan! I was coming to report similar sentiments. I had trust in CBC and I am dismayed that they've clearly chosen an anti-EV rhetoric and created this hit peice with missing facts just to fuel public fears. This is the kind of based, bad reporting, that I thought CBC was better than.
I find it a mark of true competency that the Tesla supercharger was both popular AND had a tech diagnosing stalls. Where were the techs and any other drivers at the other dinky stalls the CBC picked out?
One company is trying to do the right thing by designing the right products. The rest are compliance cars. Why is the media hiding the fact that Tesla is actually handling this very well?
Very well said I feel like I watched something that was filmed 7 years ago
Completely agree with this, they had to work to make it look bad. - "You forgot to mention you removed the suggested recharge stop from the Tesla GPS to get the messages. There are 10 superchargers between Pickering and Ottawa." I regularly do 10-12 hour road trips in a Tesla and never have issues.
I don’t get fuel at Costco very often for this reason. For two years I rented a basement suite where my nearest gas station was a Costco. I’m not waiting a half hour to save a few dollars in gas. Sure paying 7 cents less/Litre means I’ll save enough money on gas to pay for a nice take out coffee but that’s not worth my time. I’ll stop at a station on the way to my destination where I usually don’t need to wait and if so 5 minutes tops. Depending on who is working at my nearest coop station they will usually give me a free coffee, even the times I forget a reusable mug!
Anti EV review, of course in cold weather range will dropped in many factors. Cabin heat, seat heater, speakers… anything is using electric will effect battery dropped
Hopefully the charging machine is not some diesal generator.
It's rare but does happen.
@@StephenShawCanada I laughed when I saw the diesel generator adjacement to the chargers.
@@StephenShawCanada Ofter called Hybrid EVs.
Just recently drove back from Mrytle Beach. Took us 16 hours straight through 2 min gas stops. Last stop for gas was in Pittsburg PA. and was able to drive to Peterborough Ontario which is 656kms and over 6 hours of driving plus a 35 min border crossing on 1 tank of gas with still a quater tank of gas left when we got home. Want to see an EV do that.
This Marketplace on EVs other than Tesla. In my time driving my MY, I have never had any issue with charging infrastructure. I would never go back to an ICE. Range is not an issues in the winter.
couldn't imagine buying an ev and not having home charging...
And then not being to go any further than half its range, lol. No EV for me for at least until they iron out all these issues.
@@christinehede7578 remember your phone use to have buttons 15 years ago.
I've owned an EV for the past 3 months now. I was a little nervous because I didn't have any home charging at all, I live in an apartment so it is not an option at all. Yet I havn't had any issues. I'm lucky to have a reliable fast charging station infront of a target so I charge up once a week while I grocery shop for the week. if that one isn't working for whatever reason there are 3 other chargers within the same distance. Its basically been treated like a gas car that has to go to a gas station but it takes 30 minutes to charge from empty to full instead of 5 minutes. Road trips have been fine too. it does 250 miles on a full charge, 100 miles less than my Civic Si would do but far more comfortable and the breaks to charge for 20 minutes after every 3 hours of driving was less of an inconvenience and more of a way to take a break. EV's are not for everyone and the charging networks need to get their stuff together up north for sure.
Im sure my time would be even better if I could charge at home but I've been enjoying my experience.
That’s a comment that makes sense to me. Home charging is very important. As we ramp up EV adoption, we need to install charging connectors or at least charging outlets for every parking spots in condos and in the street. This is how we will move to a cleaner future.
The EV vehicles are good enough today, with Tesla and China we already know the vehicles won’t be the problem.
I expected a lot better from Marketplace. No, the feds don't want us all driving EVs. Firstly, gas/diesel-only vehicles are not being banned in 2035; you can drive yours as long as you want. Secondly, as of 2035, hydrogen, gas/electric hybrids, and full EVs may still be sold.
In 2035 the sale of NEW gas/diesel vehicles is most certainly banned....thus forcing manufacturers to transition their manufacturing process LONG before that date.
You may not be prevented from driving an older gas vehicles in 2035, however, eventually those grandfathered vehicles will be extremely uneconomical to drive due to an ever increasing carbon tax and no replacement parts being manufactured.
Thankfully, this extremist Liberal government and its "proud socialist" Environment Minster will be long gone by 2035 and some common sense will be returned to power prior to 2035 in time to scrap this mandate.
I thought they did a good job of demonstrating EV shortcomings which are many.
@@idcraw -- Mine works fine: zero problems.
Telling car companies 60% of cars they sell have to be EV is a move towards only EVs allowed
Are you that thick to not see the impacts direct and indirect consequences. This government has failed at everything they touch because they never move forward with a well thought-out plan. Ideology over substance.
It's simple enough to calculate most of the cold weather range hit, it's no big mystery, it's almost entirely because of the cabin heater; the energy to keep you warm isn't going to come from anywhere other than the battery.
My Kona Electric heater draws as much as 5 kWh at full blast, which I would expect at -20C, and that right there will cut 32 km/20 miles off the range every hour it's running at that level.
I don't understand how anyone (as your reporter here did) would expect to use almost 100% of the battery, under anything other than warm weather conditions, flat terrain, and no headwind, and still get to where they're going. That's like saying you're going to run down the gas tank to empty and expect to be able to deal with one of a few, possibly closed, gas stations at your destination. Good rule of thumb is to allow 20% of the battery as reserve and plan your legs to run the battery from 80% to 20%, to allow for variations in energy consumption and your first choice charger not being available. And I know there are plenty of charging stations for both Teslas (at least 15) and non-Teslas (at least 20) between Pickering and Ottawa, a glance at PlugShare makes that clear and your reporter could have stopped once or twice to charge along the way rather than run that Tesla down to a few percent to create an issue when there isn't much of one. The reliability of chargers and the wide range of pricing methods are massive, legitimate issues (true also here in the US from where I write) that could have been more fully explored in the 21 minutes of this report rather than padding it out with a feigned crisis that needn't have existed.
I have an EV and live in a colder climate. I do have to adjust my driving during the winter but made a 90 mile round trip with no issues and the temp outside was 5F.
While I agree with points brought up, I noticed the person that was happy with his EV and said no issues got maybe 5 sec of time. I am the first to say EVs are not for everyone and have their limitations but I wish when these reports are made they included more advantages and show people who love their EV
I think the range test for the Tesla needs to be put in context. Tesla wants you to use their navigation system to go where you are going. As part of navigation you are going to be routed to superchargers. In general, with the kind of batteries most commonly still used, it is recommended that you not usually charge over 80% or deplete your charge below 20%, so you'll be routed to a charger before you run out. The question becomes how reasonable is your overall speed of travel- and how extensive is the charging infrastructure. Superchargers and Teslas tend to have more powerful charging (faster) rates than other manufacturers. Hyundai can charge faster, if only you could find a charger with power to enable that, which mostly you can't - at this time. There are a lot of northern and outlying areas without reasonable charging infrastructure yet, and that's an issue. The problems you experienced at the Tesla charger were BIZARRE! I have NEVER seen anything remotely like that. I've owned my Tesla Model Y for a year and have travelled with it in 4 provinces. . I have NEVER had to wait to plug in for charging at a Supercharger and never found charging unavailable except for a level 2 charger Circuit Electrique charger at a parks canada park. I have used Flo and Electric Circuit chargers (mostly to extend my geographical range) as well as Tesla and found them reliable. I have avoided Petro Canada because I use an app that has shown me their chargers seem to have a lot of out of service issues. I have never Tesla Supercharged for more than half an hour, usually significantly less. My wife really appreciates the bathroom breaks and calls for us to have little charging stops more than we need for the car. I agree with your point about Kwh charging. And I'm pretty disappointed that you didn't do a price comparison with Tesla because in my experience their kwh charging rates are by far the most expensive. With respect to the ability to do long distance travel, I have planned a coast to coast trip using Tesla Superchargers on the TCH and found their spacing pretty comfortably meets range requirements, even in winter. The attraction of long distance winter driving is going to increase as people come to realize the unacceptable risks of smoke and fire with long distance summer travel. And with an EV you are doing less to contribute to such problems. Finally, when I got my car new - it was at the end of January and I had to drive it more than 400 km home at about -5 C. I was pretty clueless but the drive home was trouble free - and the navigation system took me to required charging which was fast and convenient.
I fully agree and spoken with true real world experience with electric vehicles and supported charging infrastructure. Marketplace should be providing Canadians with unbiased reporting on Tesla and electric vehicles instead of misleading people.
Greeting. Though I don’t own an EV, I’ve always been intrigued with it.After all, more and more in my circle are getting EV - particularly Tesla for the relatively more mutual SuperCharger network infrastructure around. You’ve told most of the points I’ve experienced in my summer long weekend road trip between Toronto and Montreal on a rental Tesla Model 3 with LPF batteries. While I did go to a busy SuperCharger location that even the navigation software (also updated before my trip) had suggested me to go to another less busy location, my Tesla friends told me to solder on because the one I was heading supports faster charging and most Tesla didn’t need to stay there for more than 20min at all. I was nervous when I arrived to see 11 Tesla were waiting ahead me! However, I was charging mine only 18min later! Both the software and my friends at that point told me to just top it up to 85% (even though LPF batteries are capable of of charging all the way to 100% more often with lesser harm) because I’d move on to another newer, less crowded SuperCharger for the next break anyway. The key factors, according to my Tesla friends, are the strategy and efficiency relative to the road / weather conditions and the nature of the trip. They pointed out more and more EV drivers are getting better understanding with those factors, so they would able to share the real world tips and hacks to different situations for others to adapt… e.g. the software will initiate pre-conditioning / warming up the batteries especially in the cold before charging. Granted that, we should have everything as easy as possible for everyone. Perhaps as technologies get better and reliable, we could have experienced other things more joyful.
"Hyundai can charge faster, if only you could find a charger with power to enable that, which mostly you can't - at this time."
As an owner of the Hyundai Ioniq 5, I can tell you that even at a 400V, 150KW station, I can achieve a 180KW charging rate. And, over 220 KW rate at an 800V, 350KW station. Know your facts before parroting something you believe is true, rather than know is true from practical experience. We know what you own only a Tesla.
I thought you said not long ago that EV’s are the greatest cars to drive in the winter in Canada
Just a few weeks ago ??? 😮
Heavier vehicles on ice. What could possibly go wrong?
As an EV repair specialist here in Ontario, its all the same. automakers will not release info to the mechanics. How I get service information, is I know a guy, that knows a guy that works at this dealership that can get me information, but i owe him a big favor. Same thing with High voltage parts from porsche, mercedes etc. Even how to fully power down a mercedes EQ series ev is not publically available. To get "High voltage" parts for Mercedes, Porsche, Tesla, BMW, etc. takes I know a guy that knows a guy to get parts. When shops ask me how tf i got this part, my only reply, is its a long story, but I got the part, and lets finish this car so it can be on its way. Not to mention, because of all this stuff that is a PITA, repairs for evs charge an arm and a leg. I have had shops that i work with say, just because its an EV, we will charge u double, because a specialist has to come in.
Marketplace thank you for asking the tough questions to ministers that never use the technology that they are pushing to average Canadians.
you think its bad in ontario. Try using an EV in the western provinces. I know a farmer who has to park his EV Ford truck (largest battery option) in the winter because it doesn't have enough range to get to town and back. We have a couple lv 2 chargers in our small city and that's it. How am I suppose to own an EV here? If I got to go see my back specialist a one day trip to regina has turned into a 2 or 3 day trip assuming I can find the chargers I need tobmake it into the city in the summer nevermind the winter. Also it can easily get to -40C in the winter here. Whats that doing to my range and how do I keep it charged at my condo where all I have is a 120v outside plugin at my parking space that's meant for block heaters?
Has the government even bothered to think how EVs will work outside Toronto or Ottawa? They set this arbitrary date and it feels like they put no planning or research into it. Alo whats the point of giving rebates on cars the average Canadian cant afford even if they qualify for it? They should be spending money on getting charging infrastructure and power plants built to run them instead of giving rich Canadians rebates they dont really need. If the infrastructure is not more reliable and available then a gas station how is this going to work with shorter ranges and huge charging times? I sure as hell am not spending 1 to 3 hours outside charging imy car in the middle of -30c weather or spending 5-8 hours charging so I can drive to Edmonton.
This might work in warm heavily populated areas like California but the gov is dreaming if the average Canadian is going to put up with this. Despite the environment.
When are they going to learn that you cant have a one size fit all solution for all of Canada? The geography and weather is just too harsh in allot of areas. Hell EVs will trap allot of northern indians and inuits in their communities as EVs will never have the range to leave them,. Anbd whos going to setup lv 3 chargers in the middle of nowhere so they can somehow? everything will have to be flown in and out. What will that do to their carbon footprint?
Instead of writing a diatribe, just buy an ICE vehicle and be happy.
You really ought to be working with your government infrastructure to solve these 20th century problems. It is 2024.
Speaking of freezing your government will freeze your bank account until you buy one 😂
@loganholmberg. Finally after 20 minutes of reading these comments Logan brings up THE point that no commenter has addressed. Living 25 miles north (bedroom community) from Canada's largest city in Ontario, and assuming a home charger, with a full charge in winter (5 months/year) if I had the most popular Tesla {Model 3 or Y} and wanted to travel a mere 120 miles to visit extended family on a direct B Highway serviced route and not divert off route 25 miles south to HWY 401-main East/West highway and then divert back 25 miles north on B Highway to resume my route westward adding 50 miles & 1 hour of travel each way, not counting charging time, and then return home same day my trip would be 240+100 mile diversion (for purposes of accessing 1 charging opportunity near Kitchener & hoping it worked. There must be a charging place on the main highway-if it was Tesla I could check the App or the car would inform me if it was working, if it was one of the non Tesla charging areas there may be at this point of time no reliable way to know. If I didn't divert that 50 miles there would be no charger on the direct route (even diverting 5 miles each way) through the smaller towns to do a return trip even with a Tesla. This isn't in the middle of nowhere. All I'm trying to point out, a lot of bedroom communities within 25 miles (30 minute drive barring stoppages due to accidents/construction etc) north of Toronto have significant support issues for EV's @ this time. As a second car for local trips it's easily doable, with home charging benefit- a good case can be made. But for a large part of the country a pure EV even within 25 miles of Toronto, we're not necessarily talking road trips- we're talking going for a 2 hour drive (1 way). Not a weeks road trip vacation- a reasonably common occurrence, the refuelling/charging is not there yet. You either have a 2nd car/or rent one additional to the cost of your EV- or consider Hybrid. For the people it works for, go for it. It's a work in progress
Several things in your story just don't add up.
But are you really sure what you're saying is true? You're saying that farmer lives more than 100 km away from the nearest town? Because a cheap BYD van (the ETP3) already goes 238 km. So take 38 as safety margin, divide by two assuming he doesn't charge in own and you've 100 km safe range even on a cheap inner-city van.
You're refering to the Ford Lightning and while FOrd as a brand is decades behind in technology, even their base model has 500 km range, so make that 220 distance. But the largest grids out west are only 100 km across at most, that's how it was designed. It shouldn't be possible to be further than the range from a town. Even Barrhead-Edmonton is roughly 100 km.
Did you really forget you can just charge from any electrical socket? It's literally everywhere where there's electricity. You're not confined to public chargers. If you can't make a point at an extremely old-fashioned building where you rent an appartment, you can always work off of semi-public chargepoints. I've one at home, but it's open to the public. People sometimes pull into my driveway (when I'm not connected, which they can see in advance in the app) and charge there. Costs them € 0,55 per KWH and that equates to roughly € 8,50 per 100 km driven, as opposed to € 12,00 per 100 km for petrol.
You can easily use that socket. It's just that it won't be super-quick. Then again what do you expect in terms of housing quality from a cheap old appartment?
And since when can we no longer improve infrastructure? "Trap them in their communities"? Well how do they get out now then? Walk? No, an infrastructure was built to get fossil fuels out there. Just like an infrastructure can be built to accomodate increased electric demand.
In 2009 there were only 1000 chargepoints in this country. In 2016 there were 112.000 chargepoints, in july 2023 that was 560.000 already.
If we'd have sat on our asses moaning "But how am I going to drive me EV to Middle Of Nowhere? There's only thousand chargepoints!! All in cities too!!! Stop EVs!!!" we wouldn't have gotten anywhere.
Instead we stopped complaining and improve the situation.
And who's to say that circa 2030 when all the naysayers and luddites have gone extinct on this issue, there can't be an exception for particularly remote communities to have a hybrid vehicle instead where they can keep a tankfull of petrol as an emergency backup?
And if you want the rebate, get a rebate. Don't moan and complain and you don't get something for free without doing anything.
More like 2050. We can still run our old cars, this would be new cars have to be EV 2035 on.
Infrastructure is missing in Ontario, especially 200kW or faster chargers. Quebec has a better one already. Driving an Ioniq 5, even with the range that it has, it's still a game of checking 4 apps to make sure that the chargers there are actually work. Drove to Montreal and back over the holidays, and while the drive was fine, the lack of fast charging is painful.
I have a 2023 VW ID4. I love it for around town and I have a Level Two Charger at home. I live in Tulsa Oklahoma and they just put in an Electrify America in town. I use the ID4 however I would say for long distance trips it is not feasible. However I expect this to change in 3-5 years. Also I have two gas powered cars as well so we are not dependent on the EV. To anyone I tell them for in town they are great but not for long distances and Road Trips.
Ev or not we need proper right to repair bill
It's funny how the feds don't drive EVs but want the whole country driving them.😂
Do we know that for sure? I’d like to know whether or not the ministers drive electric cars.
I don’t know about whether the TH-cam version of this episode showed her ending up at her destination. I bet she did and didn’t have nearly the amount of anxiety that she seemed to show in a few second clip.
She showed more scepticism than anxiety.
How do you know this? Can you please post some sources for us to look at?
Yes, I’d like to know that too. I’m assuming that it would be in their best interest to own an ev if they want it to be adopted by the general public.
Everyone, including the CBC, are missing the BIG picture here. The charging stations are one thing, that’s an easy fix. The problem Ontarian’s will be faced with, is a rapidly growing population, electrifying industry and with out aging nuclear reactors, demand will simply outpace generation capacity.
Owned an EV for near 9 years, and have completed 17 8000km+ road trips across Canada and the United States. I will agree there is a learning curve with EVs, but cold weather driving with EVs is not as big as a deal as being reported ... in my opinion. Norway and Sweden don't have issue with cold weather because their charging infrastructure is top notch. The biggest mistake I've see with new EV owners have is charging their vehicle at 100% instead of charging to 60-80% on long distance trips.
I live up in Kirkland lake area and saw a guy recently who had to get his Tesla towed back to his home in North Bay because of no infrastructure. 1 charger in town and it never works. Extreme cold kills these things.
No extension cords either it would seem.
@@oldmanlearningguitar446the 120v charger doesn’t work at -20 and colder...
@@y2kxj Wrong. Efficiency falls at such temperatures but you can still charge an EV at that temperature (and where does the OP say it was below -20C?)
Just some facts. In Canada average distance traveled by vehicle 25-50km a day. Average fuel efficiency of an EV 5km/kWh. Out of vehicles with 250-300+ km range ie 10% of possible range. Which means a daily energy average consumption of 5-10 kWh. A level 2 charger is 220V at 30 amps. Or around 6-7 kW per hour. So a days average use is replenished in 1-2 hours. The average modern home has a 100-200 amp service, typically already having 240v systems for dryers and/or electric stoves. It also uses around 1000 kWh a month on average. The increase in power consumption from an EV is just 150-300 kWh a month.
In Ontario, looking at IESO power data numbers, Jan 28, the difference between peak demand and low demand is around 4000 MW or 4 million KW. Around 4 million kWh of slack production for hours. So without any change in infrastructure from today, Ontario itself could easily recharge millions of cars in the low demand periods of the day.
While this is a range test under the worst of conditions, those conditions will not be normal driving conditions faced by people everyday. BTW, Ontario is already creating a tiered electric pricing to take advantage of overnight EV charging ie. the new ultra-low overnight (ULO) rates between 11pm - 7am.
Solar panels almost makes no sense where I live, but I can't wait to get ultra-low overnight rates in Québec, combined with a residential energy storage system. Clean hydro power combined with even lower rates would be awesome.
Not every providers have nuclear power like Ontario does.
Funny how the group of people who shut down the nuclear power plants are the same group of people who want the EV to happen quickly now. Some people just behave like children.
Excellent points. Most people can’t comprehend logic and basic math
@@holmiumh - Well, speaking of nuclear power, Darlington is in the middle of refurbishment. So what do you think is providing power? Its the large numbers of backup generation. In 2011, Darlington generated 29k GWh annually. In 2022, it was down to 14k.
Not everyone can afford 2 cars
This is the worst reporting I've seen in a long time. Why would't the reporter ask what the average daily distance driven in the North America is? Because the answer wouldn't fit her predetermined narrative... the answer's typically in the range of 25 to 40 miles per day. Which for the average person who charges at home means they never have an issue.
omg, so funny to see her stop at a ivy station with the model 3. The whole thing is being set up so dramaticaly, the car navigation was probably pointing to various tesla supercharger on her way, where she would just have need to stop 10-12 minutes to be good enought to reach ottawa, basicly a bathroom break.
If you buy a leaf it’s just a city car. Wouldn’t recommend it for highway. My 2018 leaf gets only 100km per a charge. It’s great because it’s cheap to charge at home. But get a gas car if you actually want to get somewhere.
So, $45k minimum (tax and financing) plus higher insurance rates to drive a max of 100km around town to save maybe $50/mo on gas? Hmmmm......🤔🤔😆😆
The price of EV is freaking expensive.
Also, the price of battery replacement of EV is almost equal to brand new car. Unless there's significant change in EV tech where the price of EV is equal or less than ICE , and the price of EV battery gets dirt chip, around 5 grand, I don't think people will switch to EVs.
Guilbeault, on transparency, of course not, we will not inform the consumer on cold weather distances and so on, charging station rates,….. we want people to buy electric car no matter what, people will absorb the hiccups and wrinkles 😢
He's Teflon certified. Zero accountability.
The main cost for charging should be by KWH but I think a surcharge for time does make sense, say $2 for the first half hour, $4 for the second half hour, if you are charging for over an hour add $10. Because charging takes a while and this encourages people to get in, charge and get out, allowing others to charge.
That's valid, except billing in the very first half hour is shady, like a $2 minimum at a gas pump. The trouble is with billing only by time, without clarity on the charge rate, and where chargers have an incentive to perform poorly to make the most money.
no, that disadvantages drivers of cars who have slower fast charge capabilities
@@AustinWirl The thing is you need something in place to encourage people to get off the station asap,
- Tesla warns you to stay below 100km/hr to make it to the destination
- CBC ignores the warning
- CBC somehow surprised they couldn't make it to the destination
Because they are putting out an anti-EV hit piece for some unknown reason.
As funny as that is, note that they're deliberately setting up the Tesla for failure. As a Tesla driver, I know that the car prompts you to take extra charging stops to keep your battery from dropping far below 20%. The route planner actually includes these stops automatically. We don't see this occuring in this video. The trip was staged. They even deliberately went out of their way to a broken non tesla charger just to show exasperation. The successful tesla charging network got three seconds of fleeting fame by being the place they "gave up" and went to. They would have been there earlier if they weren't staging it!
I understand your point but I think they were trying to do a realistic test and realistically nobody is going to drive 80 on the 401 all the way to Ottawa. It’s also not safe to drive below 100km/hr on the highways.
I thought it said below 105. Isn’t speed limit 100 for that stretch of highway?
@@SkylarkTorchnotice how they didn’t mention how much cheaper, faster and more reliable the Tesla chargers are.
As an electrical engineer with a master in power engineering, I laugh at what is going on and the stupidity that people talking up EVs......especially politicians. Wait until you need to change the battery.
In Norway 30% of all cars are EVs it can be as cold there in the north as it is in many parts of Canada -20C to -40C. If they can manage to use an EV surely we can too in Canada.
Reduce the dependence of level 3 fast charging. Every utility pole can supply 240 volt which can top up from zero to 100 in matter of 8-9 hours. But for an average drive- 240 volt can refill in an hour or so