DCS: F-35 Lightning II Vs F-16 Viper Dogfight.
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In this video we take the F-35 Lightning II against the F-16 Viper in a head to head dogfight, the F-35 was not really designed to dogfight like this so its going to be interesting as this is exactly what the viper was designed to be capable of doing. Big thanks to my good friend Feisty for helping with these videos this would not be possible without him, and thank you to all of you for your ongoing support with the channel. Hope everyone is staying safe/healthy.
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Please keep in the mind the F-35 used in this video is simply a mod, and does not represent the true capabilities of the F-35, just a simple video made to have some fun and provide some eye candy, thank you for watching and your ongoing support with the channel I hope everyone is staying safe and keeping healthy.
what f35 mod is it
Is it VSN F35?
You have a spelling mistake here bud. "F-35 Lightening II"
Don't think I am trying to be snarky or anything, just trying to help.
Also, cool vid, you have helped me a lot to become a better pilot.
EDIT: Some people seem to think I am correnting him with what I put in parentheses above, that is what he put, he later changed his video title to be correct after I commented. I have great respect for GS and I wanted to help him out, and people attacked me for it.
@@drepherian To be fair. Nobody else says F15 Eagle, or F16 Fighting Falcon, F14 Tomcat, SU27 Flanker, etc. F35 suffices. :)
Not trying to attack.
@@drepherian You have a spelling mistake here bud. Its the F-35 Lightning 2 not Lightening.
Pride comes before a fall
RIP that towns ability to hear after this.
would really pay to be an otolaryngologist in that town after this lol
Rip the windows, window shops will make some money after this dogfight
@@GrowlingSidewinder set for life.
I have a depot base and an organic rebuild base for F-15s right by my house they buzz my house at 400 knots all the time. Also when they test them to the run a Mach loop and we hear sonic booms 5-10 times a day. The beautiful sound of freedom.
Q2bFF lucky guy
Could you imagine being on the ground and seeing something like this unfold.
It's actually happened. During the 70s there was a dogfight that insued over an Indian City between Pakistani Sabres and Indian Foland Gnats. They splashed two Sabres above the City
@@F22raptor46 link pls
@@jaomircourtar1501 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Boyra#The_battle
I'm Greek and I've seen that sort of thing, as we have frequent exercises as well as airspace violations.
@@babouras123 Who keeps violating your airspace?
If the F-35 gets to the merge the pilot has failed.
that checks
Георгий Мурзич and you know this, how?
Георгий Мурзич huh, you know the FM characteristics of this aircraft? Did you build it? 2) who says it needs radar? 5th Gen means plugged into the battle field. I am not a fan boy of the aircraft and only those involved with the aircraft truly know it’s capabilities.
@@FACrazyCanuck The F-35 needs to expose itself for a few seconds for the AMRAAM's TWS to occur before he can launch, also after TWS appear you need to position the launch at the optimal angle of attack and the F-35 need to approach the target to give the missile more energy and speed to adjust to the target's counter manoeuvres, and while doing all these the F-35 is radiating itself out for other radar to see. Not to mention even with the AIM-120D model the no-escape range is within 25 miles, in those range the F-35 is exposed and within the no-escape range of enemy missiles. If the F-35 launches its stockpile of missiles beyond the no-escape range to maintain its stealth cover the enemy had a high probability to defeating them by doing a steep dive with chaff countermeasures.
@@donavan835 this is missing a lot of details here and also making a lot of assertions you cannot possibly know because data is classified.
You have no evidence to suggest the performance of the APG-81 and it's abilities to resolve and provide a firing solution under a certain time. It could be several seconds, it could be way less. You do not know.
It is possible to lock targets up without giving yourself up. The APG-81 qualifies easily as it's advertised to perform multiple functions at one time - it's capable of jamming WHILE still acquiring and locking up a target. Within the 25 Mile range, the F-35s signal can be masked. This is usually done first with a white noise method with has the emitter emulating the back ground noise, blending it in with the rest of the sky. Once close enough that the enemy radar can resolve the signal even through the emulated noise, jamming will occur. Jamming gives away the surprise but it's still too late. The F-35 will jam while maintaining it's ability to still lock on a fire and there's very little you can do outside of looking for the trail of rocket smoke when the F-35 releases.
Beyond this, the F-35 or any other fighter with an advanced RADAR system today doesn't have to fly in with the system lit up at all. It can be in passive mode. If the enemy is in search and track themself, the same situation applies to the F-35 where it can listen to your signal. This means it can setup and engagement by getting into the most effective position silently before lighting you up.
There are many details and characteristics that will remain classified for good reason but rest assured, people smarter than us have had years demonstrating this very scenario so that they can design a weapon system to be the winner every time.
"alright guys, we're in the F-16 Viper today, trying to do our best to tie the low altitude record"
Talk about one the deck, jesus christ man i could see the individual grains of sand and dirt
Ayy Lmao haha ya things got a little close there for a bit
@@GrowlingSidewinder I remember seeing a G4 Super Seagull trainer jet flying across the road in front of my car at no more than one wing's length above the ground (3-4 meters max I guess). And it was not just near-miss the ground, he maintained that altitude for quite a while. He was so low that at one point he had to pull up slightly to avoid hitting a river embankment. When he got to the power lines I was wondering honestly if he would go above or below - he pulled up and went above but he could have easily flown below as well.
@@GrowlingSidewinder was it recorded in VR
There's low, and then there's where we fly...
@@samwise001 no, he uses trackIR
"Now we are very close to the ground here"
I am just sitting here thinking "man, please look in front of you, please look in front of you, please look in front of you"
Ahahah
"Only nerds call it the Falcon" You hilarious bastard.
nice to see some people around here can take a joke lol.
@@GrowlingSidewinder - Yeah... You won't be laughing when we beat you with our walkers! LOL
Fighting Falcon, please.
@@elta6241 stay away from me neanderthal
@@GrowlingSidewinder We call it the penguin around here
You are correct in assuming the 35 wasnt designed to try to get into a knife fight. If youre in a knife fight with a 35 hes either stupid or his wingman is just lining up his shot
Hunter Murphy accurate
Every current 4th Gen fighter community (in the US at least) has been training to avoid WVR fights as a rule for decades.
Even the F-8 Crusader College was heavily focused on BVR fighter weapons tactics with the AIM-9C radar-guided Sidewinder, although the various F-8 radars sucked.
Crusader College was used as the core curriculum for the Navy's FWS after the Ault Report, where F-4B crews learned BFM techniques that had been maintained in the F-8 community.
TOPGUN and all the USAF FWS for fighters have had BVR-centric curriculum since the late 1960s/early 1970s. BFM/ACM takes up less time in those courses and always has.
The era of HOBS missiles has pretty much eliminated WVR turning fights.
@@LRRPFco52 I agree with all of your points except for the last one, cause:
1. There is a minimum firing distance for missiles, and I think this also applies for stuff like the r73, aim9x or iris-t
2. You still can't cheat physics. E.g.: if you go with mach 1 in one direction, and what to hit a target behind you with a reasonable missile speed (like, if the missile is just traveling with 100kmh after the 180° turn it is easy to evade) your missile needs to do first a 180° turn scrubbing energy and then, from your point of view, "break" and then accelerate towards the target. Very stupid example, and not well explained, I know.
What I am trying to say is, that there are still BFM in dogfights, they are just very different to the BFM of ww2 gun fights. But really, if a fighter pilot manages to get into a dogfight he has either done something wrong, or, if flying against a 5th gen, a genius (like if he survives until the merge).
The real F-35A should perform better than F/A-18 in dogfights, while being slightly inferior to a clean F-16
@@Anderson_Hwang there is a test report a few years ago (around 2017?) stated that F-35A with testing version FBW flight control and 6.5 G-limit goes toe-to-toe when dogfighting a F-16, both craft in slick configuration.
Matter fact's that both F-22 and F-35 are extremely dangerous dogfighter, you can see by some of their design feature such as the large vertical stabilizer/rudder relative to it's airframe, which is crucial to high-AOA controlled flight.
2.5.6 fps right there
I wonder if they named the patch number after the frames you get.
@@sgtrpcommand3778 Wow... You can get 256 fps now?? What settings are you using?
@@sgtrpcommand3778 Literally! /)
2.56 frames a second in Vee Or. Or as Laobi said: "There's a focken psychopath hiding in the back of your plane. You wake up in the cockpit with a hangover, only to suddenly get cracked across your head with a baseball bat and as soon as you regain consciousness, the same happens again - about 30 or 40 times a minute."
Youda008 for me it's the contrary. Over the Nevada i see everything smoother. What is your hardware?
Youda008 Strange, i have a weaker hardware than yours, but over the Nevada everything is almost ok. I have an i5 exha-core 8400k or 8600k, i don't remember lol. And a MSI GTX 1060 gaming X with 6GB. However, consider that it's ok in good wheater conditions. Over the Caucasus, especially if i add some clouds and fog (or over big cities with snow terrain) , it's a BLOODY HELL. Never tried with clouds and fog over the Nevada, probably there will be low frame rate.
If DCS doesn't fix his engine, soon there will be a lot of grounded pilots in my opinion. Not everybody can buy a 1450$ or € video card. And even buying such a powerful video card, we need to deal with electrical power.
Man your FPS is really tanking during those fights
yaaa its the 2.5.6 update, its FPS are really annoying right now. hoping they will fix it soon.
That town full of buildings helped too.
DCS really needs to get their shit together. I'd vastly prefer an serious multi core optimization update over a new module.
Turn off SSLR and reduce shader options at graphic options , delete fxo and metashaders2 foldes at C:\Users\xxxxx\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta
@@calinho_1515 this absolutely worked for me.
Imagine being in your apartment and watching an f-16 yeet past your window
Window? I think he flew past the front door. 😆
RIP feisty , inverted flare drop to pay respect
F
How disrespectful and rude
V E R Y D I S T R E S P E C T F U L
Hey just wondering, have you ever just had a mid-air collision in the merge?
Hypernova more times than I would like to remember lol
Whats the last thing that goes through your mind after a mid air collision?.... Probably the canopy.
People seriously underestimate the F-35 at a dogfight though, it may not be it's mission for sure but it's well within it's capabilities. Allow me to explain.......
Lets look at some figures against some proven and supposedly superior platforms, lets compare them and see.
If you really know something about planes you would know that you basically need 3 essentials to be maneuverable:
1. Lots of Lift
2. Lots of thrust
3. Little Drag
Lets discuss lift:
I know you probably heard Pierre Spray said that the F-35 is a dog because it has little wings. and has to carry 110lbs of airplane for every square foot of wing.
Pierre Spray was involved in the aircraft industry at around the 1960s where fighters were basically tubes with wings.
At that time all of the lift came from the wings. small wings = small lift.
But at around that time Martin Marietta (now Lockheed Martin) was experimenting with Lifting Body designs, they wanted to produce fuselages that can assist the wings in producing lift instead of being dead weight.
Read more here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Marietta_X-24
That’s why at around the 1970s we began to see fighters with wide flat fuselage sections and smaller wings. So lets compare the wing loading of the F-4 against Pierre Spray's favorite F-16 variant the F-16A.
F-4
Empty: 30,328lbs
Load:8000 lbs
Comabt Weight: 38,328
Wing Area: 530 feet
Wing Loading: 72 lbs/ sq feet
F-16A
Empty: 16,300
Load:8000 lbs
Comabt Weight: 24,300
Wing Area: 300 feet
Wing Loading: 81 lbs/ sq feet
So by Pierre Spray's own argument the horribly turning F-4 should fly circles around his hotrod F-16? What’s happening here?
Well the F-16 does not rely on just wings to produce lift, it has a blended body and wing design, plus LERX that produce vortices above the airplane (if you remember you physics, high pressure below + low pressure above creates lift)
around 40% of the F-16s total lift does not come from the wings at all. So in reality the F-16's actual wing loading when loaded with 8,000lbs is closer to 49 lbs per square feet not 81 lbs.
The F-35 is the same. to get the F-35 to have 110lbs / sq ft of wing loading as Pierre Spray said it needs to carry 21,300 lbs of load.
The f-16 can never do that, but the F-35 can! that’s what’s great about this plane, it gives you options, if you need to go to a long range mission then sure, the F-35 CAN carry 18,000lbs of fuel and 18,000lbs of weapons.
But if your going to a CAP mission where a dogfight is possible, then why load it with 21K? Most likely an F-35 would take off with 18,000lbs, And when it gets to combat it would probably have 10,000lbs depending on the range to the target.
So lets pit the F-35 against some really good aircraft, Wing Loading calculation.
All loaded with 8,000 lbs, perfect for dogfighting:
Wing Loading:
Mig-29 M/M2: 91
F-16C (block 50): 90
F-35A: 81
F/A-18C: 77
Su-30MKI: 72
So as you can see at dogfighting weights, the F-35 is not bad at all, its not the best but really not all that bad.
Now consider this, the F-35 probably has the most efficient body lifting surface of all these aircraft due to the fact that its fuselage has the smoothest flatest surface of all these planes, not a lot of disturbance for the wind to flow around on.
So lets give all these aircraft a Body lifting coefficient of 40% but to be conservative lets give the F-35 45%, the truth is probably much larger but hey lets keep it down.
Wing loading plus body lift:
Mig-29 (M/M2): 54.6
F-16C (block 50): 54
F/A-18C: 46
F-35A: 44
Su-30MKI: 43
The F-16s wing loading is similar to the Mig-29s which is why it replicates the Mig-29 in RedFlag.
But Notice how the F-35's wing loading is so close to the F/A-18 and just 1 pound above the Su-30, which is why when you ask pilots they will say that the F-35 maneuvers like an F/A-18 with better acceleration.
And really acceleration is the only thing Hornet pilots dont like about it.
www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... -tactical/
Lt Col Matt Kelly wrote:
Operational pilots should be thrilled with the F-35's performance, Kelly said. The F-35 Energy-[Maneuverability] diagrams, which display an aircraft’s energy and maneuvering performance within its airspeed range and for different load factors, are similar to the F/A-18 but the F-35 offers better acceleration at certain points of the flight envelope.
So do you still think they are lying?
Now lets talk thrust. This is a no brainer, the F-35's engine is rated at 43,000lbs the most powerful in the world. So lets cut to the chase and compare.
Thrust to weight at max thrust:
(All loaded with 8,000 lbs)
Mig-29 (M/M2): 1.05
F-16C (block 50): 1.05
Su-30MKI: 1.13
F/A-18C: 1.14
F-35A: 1.15
Surprise Surprise, the F-35 has the best Thrust to weight ratio of all of the planes involved, and really in a dogfight Thrust to weight can be more valuable than Wing loading.
Now Drag:
All these planes will carry weapons externally adding lots of drag. with a full centerline tank the F-16 is reduced to 7Gs max and the Mig-29 is reduced to an appalling 4Gs, the F-35 will carry most if not all its missiles internally, very little drag.
So to conclude, even without Stealth, even without all its advanced sensors and ECM suits, the F-35 will (in the words of Pierre Spray) wax the competition every single time, then if the F-35 is a dog the rest should be compared to kittens.
@@rapid13 Really? Well for all his credentials he calls even the F-15 a turkey despite it's impressive and unbeatable record, he calls the F-22 a turkey, he even calls Su-27 a copy of the F-15 and the Flankers are too...... Well a turkey once again. Just about any aircraft he doesn't have an involvement with is basically a turkey to him.
Oh and his credentials are so great that he makes claims like "Multirole Aircraft are turkeys" all while his precious F-16 is a multirole and all the "Frivolous Junk" as he likes to call it has made the F-16 more survivable now more than ever before. He was never instrumental in the design of even a damn nail let alone an F-15 or F-16. The genius behind the F-15 was John Boyd and the brains behind the F-16 was Harry James Hillaker. www.codeonemagazine.com/gallery_slideshow.html?gallery_id=25&gallery_style=1
Sprey's credentials don't mean Jack diddly when this is the kind of shit he spews to intentionally mislead the rest of the public. As for my credentials, well for one, I'm in the Air Force, 2 I work on Aircraft, and 3, I did my damn research to know what he said was so awful and refutable
Grumpy Old Man pier Sprey? Instrumental in the f-15 and 16? He was an analyst for gods sake, not an engineer, he and his team were advocating for a fighter based on maneuverability, hence the general look of the f-16, but was against things like advanced radars and missiles, which are now some of the most important aspects of any modern fighter, you say he was instrumental for the f-15? He was against the project because he saw it as a threat to his precious f-16, which also btw he was also critical of the upgrades that made it more of a multi role aircraft, which that plus it’s affordability has made it so successful, as far as what he has said about the f-35 and how you would trust him over a TH-cam comment, do you one research, you don’t hear much from him anymore because the vast majority of his predictions about the f-35 have been proven false, it’ll be $200 million an aircraft? Try $80 million now, it can’t turn? It’s capable of 9g loading and can carry all its weapons internally so no external drag, unlike any other fighter which will have weapons and possibly fuel tanks creating drag, he says it can’t provide CAS like an A10, he’s right, against low tech adversaries, an A10 isn’t going to survive in a high threat environment, the F-35 can while retaining precision strike capabilities and wasn’t made to fight the taliban. stealth doesn’t work? It had a 20 to 1 kill ratio at red flag because no aggressor could pick it up on radar, and s300/400s have failed to track it in Syria, and even if they did you may be able to track a stealth aircraft but tracking and locking are 2 different things. It has distributed aperture system or sensors on every side of the aircraft allowing it full situational awareness even without an AWACS, by every metric the f-35 has been improving, no one is saying the program has been flawless because it’s been a mess, but with every year it’s improving, it’s having a new cloud system that will fix many of its software bugs which currently is what is holding back the aircraft the most, the newer blocks will be able to carry 2 more internal AMRAAMs, it’s flight cost per hour costs have been going down and are expected to reach $25,000 per hour by 2025, F-15s are just north of $20,000, spare parts will also continue to become more and more common as numbers increase, which as of right now has been increasing year by year, this is also the most ambitious military project ever undertaken, wrapping up dozens of capabilities into an aircraft that’s using dozens or hundreds of new technologies, while also being able to take off and land from heli carriers and short runways, making it much more versatile, no one said it would be easy or cheap, but it’s still an excellent aircraft and will continue to excel regardless of people like you who continue to hate it regardless of the progress it has made.
@@rapid13
Only the prototype F-16 was air superiority, pretty much all F-16 in the world are multirole now. Also, being a multirole doesn't mean compromise is being made as far as dogfight goes, the F-35 has a more powerful radar than many air superiority fighters, at least based on the generation and T/R modules count.
Sprey was very opposed to the F-15 and didn’t believe in the addition of more advanced radar to F-16, I think you don’t understand him.
@@rapid13 If you cared to read my comment you would have seen my credentials there so I won't bother repeating myself here. Not that my credentials matter in the least anyways, I know you only asked them because you can't prove what I said wrong in anyway. It's a typical strategy, can't prove the post wrong, attack the poster.
As for Sprey, well he's a fraud and most of the people see it. You can however continue to follow him like the absolute foolish sheep you are and set an example to all of us of what not to do. Most people are already smart enough to avoid and ignore him. As already seen here in these comments
If you watch the F-35 demo team's 2019 shows, you'll see that their 90-100° turn takes about 95-104 frames on 30fps to complete, which is almost exactly 28°per second instantaneous turn, and the minimum radius turn circle takes 552-561 frames, which is right at 19-19.5°/s turn rate. They maintain full roll, pitch, and yaw authority past 50° AoA, and so they can outpoint a hornet or a mirage. The F-35 down on the deck will eat either a viper, mirage, or a hornet's lunch and then still have fuel to hit the target and egress.
🤣😂🤣
@@DavorBalgavi hope your laughing at the F-35 haters.
Side note, after seeing what the 35 can do irl and just how sharp it turns nearly turning like a 22 Its hard to say who'd win this fight
Yeah as an employee of lockheed it's sad to see all the miss information on this plane. It's expensive yes but the rest of the world wants it
An F-35 pilot in an interview I heard, said that the F-35 fights like an F-15E with one really good pull, but with similar slow speed handling like a Hornet. He also said that an F-35 pilot actually has more situational awareness than any platform in history and info at his finger tips than an AWACS has. Just keep in mind that an F-16 in combat will never be clean, however an F-35 will almost always be clean. Also the F-35 has a 25mm gun.
dopeintegra83 Or a 20mm, depending on the version of the F-35*
Edit: I was wrong, only the F-35A had an internal 25mm, and the B and C have that in an external gun pod
f35 is an expensive unreliable POS
@@Melkor54
Fun Fact:
F-35 is just $85 million
Meanwhile
F-15K(South Korea) is $150 million
@@Melkor54 Nice Try Putin!
@@h.cedric8157 wrong...
The F-35 currently costs between $94 million (F-35A) and $122 million (F-35B)
F15k $94 million.
I think the hardest part for me to believe in this was a seeing a clean Viper that wasn't part of demonstration team or weapons school.
GS is flying a F-16N, actually a NAVY adversary aircraft.
For everyone who is arguing about the F-35's performance:
Until 2019, the F-35 has been operating under a severe G restriction. This is common with new jets, & there is not one fighter jet flying that did not begin its career in testing phase, where the standard practice is to run a shit ton of tests at low G, increasing gradually until the aircraft is at its design G capability.
For the F-35, that milestone was passed in late 2018. With the advent of full block 3F software, the 'Panther' (I hear that is what F-35 is called by the pilots who fly the jet) is capable of maneuvers that most closely resemble the Raptor.
Every F-35 airshow demo from 2019 through now was flown at full capability by Maj Andrew 'Dojo' Olsen, the commander of the F-35 demo team (Dojo even has a maneuver named after him, the 'dojo drift', which is an extremely quick, high G direction reversal that is absolutely mind blowing. The move was performed in every F-35 airshow demo in 2019); you tube has a veritable cornucopia of videos that show the F-35 demolishing the critics' claims of poor performance.
There are design features that give the Panther it's still largely unappreciated (by the general public) extreme performance:
1) The jet is a lifting body, and draws only part of its lift from the wings
2) F-35, contrary to the delusional claims of Pierre Sprey, has large control surfaces. Those surfaces are capable of extremely fast deflection, and travel through a greater degree of deflection, than pretty much any jet ever built. There is -or was, dunno if it is still up on you tube- a video showing a F-35 in taxi mode; the pilot is doing the final checks of aircraft systems and actuates all surfaces in rapid succession. The speed at which they operate is so fast that you almost could be tempted to suspect sorcery🤣😅😂.
Alao, F-35 surfaces look to be capable of nearly 15° more range of motion than any other jet extant. The video is only about 30 seconds, but one viewing will illustrate how far off base the haters actually are.
3)Thrust. Holy shit, there is one of the Dojo airshow demos in which he performs a falling 360° pedal turn (a controlled flat spin), but at the bottom end of the maneuver, Dojo rolls the jet 90° then slams throttle all the way to Light The Torch Like A Nuke 🤣😅; the F-35 just hangs there on its side for a fraction of a second, then accelerates away INTO AN IMMEDIATE CLIMB with the absolute almighty quickness! Dont let anyone tell ya this jet got no thrust! It accelerates like a freakin UFO.
4) Block 3F software. The FCS in the F-35 is phenomenal. According to the pilots who are flying the jet, that FCS combines with the radical control surfaces, extreme thrust, and lifting body aerodynamics to give them an aircraft they can literally fly in departure mode for as long as they want.
But dont take my word--watch those 2019/2020 airshow demos.
So it's an outstanding plane for offensive warfare?
Except those videos still show a significantly inferior turn rate and maneuverability. Current estimates for Su-57 turn rate exceeds 29 degrees a second, with actual video footage showing its closer to 32 deg/sec.
The F-22 , as good as it may be, hits 22 deg/sec. Eurofighter claims around 23-24 deg/sec. F16 and F15 are both around 18/deg sec, F18 around 17 deg/sec... The BEST the F35 has shown puts it slightly worst than the F/A 18.
No amount of wishful thinking will turn it into a dogfighter. its inferior to almost every peer in that role. If it gets caught its going to die.
All I can say is I wouldn't want anyone outside of the USAF knowing the true capabilities of current gen. fighters.
Martin Palmer yes but the su 57 is not stealth at all the f-35 would see the su57 years before the f-35 would be detected su57 would probably be down before they saw the f-35 at all
@@corbinrust2228 Patently false. The tall vertical surfaces make the F35 & F22 detectable by UHF/VHF Radar from all angles. An intercepting SU-57 would both be aware of the location of the F35 & not be detected because it could rely on its passive sensors.
The myth that its "not stealth" has been perpetuated by people who cant accept that Russia and China have both created weapons systems capable of dealing with the F35 & F22.
Man my heart was in my mouth at some points. Flying so damn low!
I like how he acknowledges the fact that the windows are all dead
They go to all that trouble to rebuild Damascus, and you guys knock it over so you can get a nice video.
Unbelievable.
Man F16 pilots get really butt-hurt when you call it by the original designated name. Kind of feels like having a friend that keeps telling you call him "viper" when his real name is Reggie or Doug. All jokes aside, the F16 (whatever you want to call it) is still an amazing looking fighter.
What you mean falcon?
Falcon is the better name. Planes be should be named after birds.
The F 16's Official Designation is Fighting Falcon not Viper.
@@BARelement The plane is called The Fighting Falcon not Viper. That's just what the pilots like it to be called.
Also the newest upgrade on the platform is called viper. F-16 block 72+ viper I thing put I can be wrong about the number.
That wing flex is beautiful
just made a comment about the same thing before I saw this one lol, but it is absolutely beautiful
Computer: Do you Really have to buzz hundreds of buildings? why do you make things so hard on me?
Worth mentioning, the F-35 carries a huge amount of internal fuel, so just going by paper stats, it's basically like the F-35 is always trying to maneuver with drop tanks on it (weight-wise anyway). If it were to dump some fuel, to approximate getting rid of drop tanks, it becomes more agile. Despite it's high wing loading, the Panther's far-back H stabs have better leverage on it's center of gravity than the Viper though, so if if gets rid of the weight disadvantage, it could become more formidable.
As for it not being really designed to use the gun, that's true. He could Fox-3 you pretty much constantly during that dogfight, and 120D's can out-turn a Viper. But if it's gun on gun, his best bet would be to try to pull you up in altitude to kill your turn rate advantage. As for the range at which the 120D's reach out and touch someone (and maintain energy), it's quite a bit more than DCS. And trying to energy bleed 120D's is quite a bit harder than in DCS. The 35 can also blind your Fox-2's like the SU-57. The forthcoming Sidekick missile rack will increase internal AIM-120 load to 6, which helps the 35 a lot (cuz carrying only 4 of it's primary weapon really is minimal). But it's true strength is in your first awareness of the F-35 being the missile warning going off (with no prior hing of it's angle of approach). The gun is also more useful if you never see it coming. If it's a fair fight where everybody waits to be seen, the Panther may as well load up externally and bring 8 120D's and a pair of 9X's (all of which are largely/totally boresight indifferent, unlike in DCS). The real hardware could lock you while you're in his 6 at close range. The real hardware doesn't make for as fun (nor as skillful) of a dogfight though. Dogfighting is more exciting and skill based in a 4th gen world.
We called them Fighting Falcons at MacDill in 1980.
Hasn't changed
Why did people start calling them a viper? I grew knowing them as a falcon when i built models.
Violent Tugboat According to C.W. Lemoine, the pilots always called it the Viper.
I have worked on a tiny portion of the engineering design of the F-16, and it has been my favorite aircraft ever since its inception. The thing is that the F-35 is far more maneuverable than the F-16, and can take one down in a heartbeat in a dogfight, with a trained pilot that knows how to fly the F-35 properly. Nice demo anyway. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
I believe you. The F-35 can slow down and turn almost 180 degrees. The F-16 cannot do that.
You’re correct. The F-35 is the most advanced US fighter jet as of right now. It is definitely better than the F-16.
@@hzmicide1738 id say second most advanced behind the f 22
Accurate and detailed precision. Very professional videos! You’re informative and I really enjoy your content. Keep it up and great, great flying.
Very cool to watch. Observing your flying has helped me a lot with dogfights myself
Great footage, in reality like you said the F35 is gonna wax the F16 before it knows it's in a fight, and or it will be part of a steath strike package taking out radar and AA/SAMS while F22S, F15 or Typhoons fly high cover to protect the F35s the flying quarterback. I've even heard they wanna use the BONE to fly as an AARAM/cruise missile truck relying of F15 F22 for protection while the F35s assign and launch at targets with a fast moving supply truck moving with the group.
The F-35A vs a combat-configured Viper will have pretty much every advantage against the F-16 & there isn't much the F-16 can do about it because of the aerodynamic/CAT limits. The F-16's sustained rate is degraded significantly when carrying pods, missiles, and suspension pylons even after you E-Jett your EFTs and bombs.
Aside from the unfair VLO approach BVR fight the F-35 dominates, the reason why this gunfight is completely unrealistic is that you have a slick Viper with no suspension equipment, no ECM pod, no LITENING or HARM Targeting Pod. You can't jettison those pods, which are standard configuration.
If you read what a high hour Norwegian Viper driver said about the F-35A, or what other F-35 pilots have said about fighting BFM with aggressor Vipers, they have been able to maintain dominant BFM kill ratios against the Viper.
The F-35 was designed to have superior kinematics at higher altitude for HOBS missile solutions.
The F-16 was designed for rear quadrant AIM-9 & guns kills against the MiG-21 in a bygone era it has never really performed in as designed.
Almost all of the Viper's A2A kills have been in Israeli Air Force service against Syria in 1982. They set up for side aspect unseen approaches by E-2C AWACS, using their own fighter radars on RWS, approaching at speed and lower altitude than the F-15s to clean up anyone in the lower altitude bands.
These tactics worked extremely well together, downing 84+ MiGs and Sukhois in 2 days.
Indeed, it's pretty cool how much tech they managed to put into the airframe that otherwise would be on external pods. F-35 is going to get fuel pods decently soon but that's as external as it's going to get.
The f-35 was designed to transfer as much capital from the western tax livestock to the Lockheed Martin Corp bank account.
@MrNotadream
The F-35 has a much more powerful radar due to its larger nosecone, allowing its radar to fit more T/R modules. More powerful radar means it can track targets and guide missiles at a much longer range. Plus, the F-35's radar has offensive jamming capability. Also, if the F-16 has to carry as many avionics as the F-35 (the F-16 needs external FLIR pods, external jamming pod, and external targeting pod), it would be too draggy to fight effectively.
@MrNotadream Have you ever looked at the F-16's radome size? It's pretty small, with very limited detection range.
The nose section avionics bay doesn't have a lot of room for large power amps and cooling either.
The reason is that the YF-16 was built with nothing more than a radar ranging gunsight, so the nose and airframe didn't need to accommodate a large pulse doppler radar. The FSD F-16s were enlarged a little so they could fit a radar on there since the Air Force knew they needed one.
The F-35 has a huge AESA radar along with 6 different RF antennae in its leading edge flaps, and dozens of other RF antennae embedded into the airframe that are all integrated together via fiber optic lines that run through the same processor bank. It uses totally different software with 4 quad redundant super computers, whereas the F-16C Block 50 uses VHSIC late 1980s tech Programmable Signal Processing with independent federated systems that don't work together.
Since it is slick in a Night 1 combat configuration, the F-35 can climb faster, cruise faster, and reach mach values that the combat-equipped Viper can't. High hour F-16 pilots who transitioned to the F-35 say they don't have to use AB in a turn at FL250 and higher like they do in the Viper, so the F-35 is superior in flight performance when compared with combat-configured Vipers.
The BVR capabilities of the F-35 vs not only the F-16, but the F-15, are unfair and abusive. F-15Cs with AESAs and the latest data links get humiliated by B School F-35 pilots who have their basic squadron tactics training within their first year in the unit.
Career FWS grads and Instructors in F-15Cs don't stand a chance in BVR against a new guy in an F-35. There is no difference in how a high or mid hour Eagle driver dies in that fight. Vipers are even more vulnerable.
The F-16 & F-15 have zero advantages in the BVR realm against the F-35.
To finalize my point, 100% of dozens of USAF F-15C & F-16C pilots who now fly the F-35A said the F-35 crushes the Eagle and Viper in BVR. This isn't me hyping it or making things up.
The SA that a formation of F-35s share is better than what the combined AWACS systems operators see at their stations. They see and act well before any other fighter knows what's going on, can set up into No Escape Zone parameters without their prey knowing they're there, and kill them without activating the Target's Missile Aporoach Warning System. If you get in the airspace with F-35s, you're going to die.
@MrNotadream The main nation that used the F-16A in the past for A2A combat is Israel. They now use the F-16I for strike missions almost exclusively, with some limited self-protection capability. Their common configuration reduces the F-16I to a subsonic fighter, it is that draggy with the 600 gallon tanks on 4 & 6, Conformal Fuel Tanks, bombs or A2G missiles on 3 & 7, FLIR pods, ECM pods, dorsal spine for more avionics, enlarged Electronic Warfare warts all over the place, and 4 missiles on stations 1, 2, 8, 9.
Back when they used F-16As in conjunction with F-15s flying high cover, they had the basic airframes with limited ECM gear, and just the Radar Warning Receiver external profiles that were standard on the F-16 at the time. It has grown a lot of external stores since then when looking at the various C model Blocks and Israeli-specific modifications so they can operate in the high threat airspace in that region.
The USAF has primarily used the F-16 in an Air-to-Ground role, which is really what they wanted it for, even though it was designed to be a lightweight day fighter.
A USAF Block 50/52 Viper combat configuration is extremely draggy compared to a slick Viper, and you can't just jettison all those draggy external stores other than your bombs from Stations 3 & 7 and EFTs from 4 & 6 with the pylons. You will be left with a LITENING pod on the chin station 5R which is very draggy, pylons with the embedded countermeasures for your survival on stations 3 & 7, pylons with ALE-50 on stations 2 & 8, and LAU-129 rails on 1, 2, 8, 10 with AIM-120s and AIM9Xs.
This is assuming you're not in a Block 50 configured for the SEAD mission with AGM-88 HARM missiles on 3 & 7 with a Harm Targeting Pod on station 5L, where you will also have a large ECM pod on station 5 that is not going to be jettisoned.
The F-35A will whoop up on that Viper all day long. Block 25 and 30 aggressor F-16s with only centerline 300 gallon tanks and ACMI plus CATM AIM-9s still had trouble in BFM with the F-35A in its early tactics development stages, which have been evolved even more since then. Those F-35As they were fighting were carrying GBUs inside the weapons bays during those BFM exercises.
I'd love to see a video where you go in depth explaining the pros and cons of two circle / one circle fights (and dogfighting in general) , I guess it's a matter of aircraft types but I'd like to have your thoughts on it and clearly explained as you are a great instructor. Even thoug I watch most of your videos I do not always understand the tactics employed.
WOW!!! What a great cinematic at 17:28 That was another great video to watch. Feisty always shows me how to play the defensive. I'm new to the Warbirds, and I haven't found many appropiate videos that document whats going on during the fight. In your videos, I find that the how and why during your commentaries give me a deeper understanding of each aircraft's flight envelope along with how to (and not to) win the engagement.
Keep up the good work!!!!!
P.S. I would love to attend your virtual clasroom of how to use the Spitfire, D-9, Mustang in this marvelous format of yours.
Keep em flying!
Your feeling for the right moment to pull the trigger saves your day. Great mate. This fight could have ended easy with a big mess for yourself.
Amazing flying both of you.
Hahaha at the first sentence i thought : "looks like somebody listened to the Fighter Pilot Podcast!" they said the exact same when it comes to the Falcon Viper thing
i didnt see it but thats good, i'm glad they did that.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Sorry, you don't need to be a nerd to call the F-16 a Falcon. If you're from the older crowd like me and cut your teeth on the Falcon 3 and 4 sims you are just used to that name. Viper is fine too. ;)
Nah he sounds exactly like C W Lemoine in a vid a couple weeks ago addressing this haha
ackchyually....
@@mancabbage1 yeah your right! He said that to 😂
Awesome one man, and I dont know how you managed not to crash into the deck, a couple of times I was gonna jump out of my chair :D
ahaha thanks buddy, ya I was pretty scared myself a few times not gonna lie, it came close.
Low altitude high turning dogfight. Awesome video as always man, thanks for posting.
Hello @Growling Sidewinder I love your videos so much! I find myself pausing SP Campaigns just to gather some more wisdom where I feel disadvantaged for being under educated in some area, and find myself watching hours of videos to broaden my DCS horizons. While I do have many channels on my list that I enjoy and keep up with, yours is one that I hold close for many reasons. I love how you have managed to balance the quality of video content all while keeping your videos short enough for viewers like myself to absorb everything you have to say on the subject at hand. Keep it up!!!
Oh yea, forgot to state the obvious... your low altitude flying kicks ass
Can you please explain one-circle and two-circle fights? In fact, you should sporadically explain all the terminologies you use to give laymen better 'situational awareness'.
think F35 can shoot missiles at insane angles... granted, this was just guns
It can, but sometimes the f16 would take it since the missle has 0% chance of hitting a bomb bay, even if it did it’d just bounce off. Missles won’t trigger to a slight impact like that
In real life, F-35As doing guns-only BFM against F-16Cs get the majority of kills, so the engine on this F-35A model seems more like a pre-3F IOC F-35A. Even in 3i, they were dominant against slick F-16Cs, and that was with a 7g limit before 3F opened the FLCS to 9g. F-35A can rudder turn like a Raptor and has excellent T/W ratio that give it options in the vertical and 1 circle fights. Guys who were high-hr Viper drivers said after a while, they learned how to fight the F-35A better and become dominant against Vipers. Viper drivers were used to winning more in the early days, then things changed and they asked what happened? “We learned how to fight the jet to its strengths."
I had a Windows based Combat Fighter Simulator in 1998, and the DCS is light years away from what I was using. Great channel. Thanks.
My friend I discovered your channel last week, now I'm addicted on watch your vídeos. Nice job!
thanks bro and welcome to the channel.
10:25 they are 25mm rounds, they are slower by 80 m/s but they do retain their velocities a little better due to heavier weight, so time to target should be comparable to that of the m61 rounds
But gotta say, that last killshot was a masterpiece
Kudos to Feisty, making it as difficult as possible
"Break the plane" you just made my day. Glad I found you!
Damn good flying bro, another awesome video
Great video. Impressive skills!
In my F-16, I tried to get my speed up to 430-450 range and pulled back on the stick, but I could never maintain a 8.0-8.5G turn for as long as you did.
What is your secret for prolonging that high G turn?
All your videos are like seminars! Great channel. Subbed.
thank you very much, I appreciate that, welcome to the channel.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thank you!
That second gun kill was insane. Thank you for slowing it down so I could tell when you fired haha
Those were some of the longest dogfights I've seen you be in. Talk about cat and mouse. Thanks as always for the entertainment.
16:39 God damn that was a beautiful shot!
Panther vs Viper, sounds like a Nat Geo Doc
Panther?
FloppyHares It's supposedly the nickname pilots have given the F-35, akin to "Viper" for the F-16.
@@MrFloppyHare the nice nickname for it given by the Fighter Weapons School is Panther. Although it also was given the name Penguin a few years back.
@@gp188 Millennial pilots nowadays are clearly on drugs when the fly just to see those weird nicknames
It's Battle Penguin, or Fat Amy. LoL
This is so exciting! love your channel
Vlad M. Thanks vlad I appreciate that brother
Haha I think he gave you the one finger salute ;) Awesome video, this one was especially satisfying to watch.
The current version Block IIIF F-35s have the full 9G envelope and extremely good AoA command, especially at low speeds. It honestly looks like it’s got vectored thrust - I’m not sure if this mod reflects that, but if you look at the most recent F-35A demos you can tell, it’s MORE than a match for an F-16.
Also in an A2A config the F-35 will be clean, unlike the F-16.
The problem is there will most likely never be real numbers in the DCS F-35 flight model. Bugger!
Hey Growling Sidewinder! I know this was for fun but Just curious but would it be possible to rerun that fight with the F16 l at least having empty weapons pylons being on it... maybe a targeting pod just to represent what an actual Sortie configuration F16 would look like in a fight against the F35 mid? Figure this would be a bit more fair and could change up the results
Great vid, love your analysis.
Good video as always. There are some really funny reads on the F-16 pilots being in total silence during reports of F-35's dog fighting with them and then running off to drop ordinance afterwards.
7:50 RIP those apartments
Have you evert thought about doing the tac view side by side with the actual dogfighting? I feel like that would be a better learning tool so you can learn what’s happening while it’s happening because at least for me when the tac view happens after the fighting, especially when it’s more than one round I don’t remember what happened
Imagining leaving on the top floor of one of those taller apartments and this happened on a Sunday morning.
Hey Growling Sidewinder, epic video as always. Your skill keep me in awe.
I have to ask - what did Fiesty think of the fight from the viewpoint of the F35?
The F-35 can certainly dogfight with the best of them but you're right in saying it's designed to shoot down the enemy before it comes to that. But honestly every plane in the western arsenal has been designed to do that since the 70s. That said the F-16 may be able to outperform it in a clean configuration but it's hardly a comparison just due to the fact that once you equalize the fuel, the F-16 will have two bags, and weapons are external, etc. So once in a combat configuration, the F-35 is usually outperforming the Viper. This has been more and more true as they tune the FBW logic as well, just like the Viper back in the day. Both planes, as time advances, have had the FBW tuned in a way to increase maneuverability and give more control to the pilots.
It's good to see other informed F-35 fans :)
*Of course the F-35 is NOT modeled correctly, so thanks for admitting that.* The F-35 has less energy loss and much higher AOA than F-16. The F-35 has much better acceleration. Pilots have said they'd prefer the F-35 in a dogfight due to AOA and thrust.
MrGriff305 there’s so much information and disinformation out there on that plane that it’s hard to know what to think.
I think it’s because in the very early stages of the F-35 program when one got hosed by a Viper, people have stuck with those negative connotations. The Panther that was “Shot down” was limited to software, and also it was in a training sortie writing the performance and combat tactics. It is a VERY capable machine, very powerful.
Faithfully Led
Yeah. that F-16 thing wasn’t even a dogfight. It was testing. Testing the FCS. I forget what they limited their FCS AOA to during that test, but it was heavily gimped for obvious reasons. They tend to step things up in increments with aircraft testing to mitigate risk during development phase. If I’m not mistaken, the F-35 test pilot merely the test via trailing a Viper.
You don’t hear much “Turkey” nonsense anymore.
We literally don't have any actual reliable information about the F-35's abilities. Don't pull shit out of your ass.
And US pilots don't make for good sources when they're saying the latest piece of whatever the Air Forced spent 1.5 trillion $ on is "actually,, the best!!!!! pls trust me"
@@CassiusGreen
The US haven't spent $1.5 trillion on the program, that's a projected cost all the way to 2070, at which point the inflation will makes even a trillion will look like a pocket change. What we know is that the F-35 have demonstrated it can perform a backflip and flat spin, no other production US aircraft except for the F-22 can do that, which means including the F-16.
Nice rudder control on that second kill! :)
Call me a nerd. The 1st F16 I saw was back when it was the Fighting Falcon (falcons kill hawks). It was flown by a Major General -- career set, nothing to lose, not afraid to break all the rules. It was the summer of 1981 at Chanute AFB during a base open-house. Maj. Gen. Norma Brown was the base commander and I believe she had a reputation for letting pilots put on the kind of show he put on.
In and out of clouds, afterburners on then off - a lot of misdirection stuff. He'd disappear east and reappear west and vice versa. Vertical climb into a stall, tail slide and let the plane flip backwards into a dive. All the high- G turns of course; but the move that inspires me to write this, because it spoiled me from that day on, and I've only seen one Rafale video that comes close, was one of those stalls into a backflip dive and when he came out of it he went into three, l believe you call them aeleron rolls, climbing about straight up.
I'd love for someone who was there let me know if my memory serves me correct, or relate things those planes can do you'll never see the Blue Angels, Red Arrows, or Thunderbirds do (they're cheating you out of your money).
Oh yeah, snakes can't fly.
Had some time at the sim at work flying the F-35 and its pretty amazing. You should do a video on the mod.
You’re such a good pilot bro. You have improved lots since ur early videos. Keep it up the huddle I love ur videos
thank you very much man, very grateful, always looking to learn and get better.
Great fight.:-) Keep up the good work both GS and Feisty.:-)
Thanks man will do.
Great vid, thanks!
I know the F-35 has really good nose authority from seeing it perform at airshows and on TH-cam. I think whoever made the mod was trying to emulate that. It seems like the problem is it sheds too much airspeed. I'd like to try out the mod and see if I can use that nose authority as an advantage.
Any chance we can get a fox 2 fight with the F-35 to let its internal weapons storage capabilities shine? To my understanding F-16 starts to lose its performance edge when its pylons are loaded.
I don't believe the F-35 have internal Fox-2 capabilities, yet. If they carry Sidewinders, they are mounted on the wingtips (as evidenced in real life in Iraq). The internal weapon bays carry a total of 4 Aim-120's (as of today, further development into the jet will increase the loadout to 6 internal AMRAAMs).
@@kroniskparanoia True. Sidewinders are carried outside the weapons bays on the F-35.
F-16C Block 30 and higher does well still with 4 AAMs, but they're never configured that way for combat. The handicaps for turning and climb rate performance on the Viper are the non-jettisonable FLIR, ECM, & HTP pods.
Think of the F-35A airframe as the solution to more senior Viper drivers who recognized the performance degradation from after-thought electro-optical and ECM pods hung on the airframe.
The best solution for keeping the Viper's speed and maneuverability without anywhere near as much drag penalty was the AFTI F-16 demonstrator, where they integrated the LANTIRN pods into the wing root extensions. There was no need to mount those pods to the intake and thereby limit the FLCS CAT into a CAT III like bombs and EFTs do.
They pioneered many of the pilot interface systems that were later used in ATF & JSF in the AFTI program. Think of the JSF-A as a mix between an AFTI F-16 & an F-117A with next generation lessons-learned from the F-22 program.
@@kroniskparanoia we can mount them on the door mounted pylons on the Charlie model at least so I imagine the AF can on the Alpha as well. We dont usually but we can.
@@kroniskparanoia Yeah, I thought of that as I posted. Wasn't sure either way, so I waited for someone to correct me. Thanks!
Would be interesting to see a scenario in which the F-35 gets to use its advantages though.
Another awesome fight, as always. Think you. Big thumbs up!
How do you dictate between a one circle & two circle fight? By just staying with the circle until you've completed two full evolutions? Lastly, do you ever fly with others as a team against other teams? I've watched other vids of yours where you are flying with another in the 1v1 but more on a team level eg squad vs squad?
Apparently the initial reports of the F-35's crappy dog fighting kinematics were greatly exaggerated. Those findings were made during an early development period when the F-35 had severe G force limitors and immature software. The latest reports say it has good transonic acceleration and turn rates.
Only a real F-16 pilot who transitioned to F-35 knows how capable F-35 is when it comes to dog fights.
I’m confused, if you’re chasing each other’s tails aren’t you in a 1 circle fight?
One circles end up head on.
@@lythsian Yes One circle is gun fighter positions head to head....who ever comes around first and shoots wins.
Two circle is 2 cars Nascar racing around the track
Dogfighting looks like a very delicate dance... a very deadly, delicate dance. In the actual aircraft, I can't imagine thinking about all of this, while at 9 g's!!!! Crazy.
Awesome! Was pretty sure you were going to hit a building a few times lol. Btw do you have to play the DCS track 100s of times to get all of those nice shots from different perspectives? I noticed if I speed up the tracks planes tend to crash or not land their shots, so it can be quite tedious to get various perspective shots AFAIK.
yes, the filming process is not an easy one, its very difficult to get a track that is not corrupted, and then go back many many times to get the right shots, cuz there is also no rewind feature.
Hey sidewinder great vid, when are going to do some more vr dogfights?
thank you man, I'm hoping soon brother, its a work in progress.
25mm gun for the F-35 btw, not 30mm :)
Great low flying man! I really enjoy these mod fight situations. Very impressed with your low flight target management! Especially with that low FPS on the deck. If I may ask what is the mod based off? Is it a Modified F16?
10:55 Glazier, window seller, glass factory and everyone else in the market will never be so happier.
Right at the outset, you put me in existential crisis.
I love the name Viper for the F-16. But having grown up calling it the Falcon, it's also natural for me to call it that as well.
And then you say, "Only nerds call it the Falcon". But...I AM a nerd.
*Brain shuts down like a computer that Kirk tricked from multiple Star Trek TOS episodes...*
Otherwise, I love the detail DCS has...like the bending of the wings upward of the VIPER in that sustained high-G turn early on.
ahhaah i'm just messing with you brother, you can call it whatever you please.
@@GrowlingSidewinder - Ah, it's all good. XD
Your FPS is going nuts when you look at the ground
Ikr. Gave me anxiety to watch that.
At minute 23 on tactical view it looks like he cobra on you and that’s why you overshoot lol, still than nice flight! I have been a big fan of you since 2019 and I don’t have DCS unfortunately. Great commentary and tactical strategy. Thank you for the video
thank you for supporting me for so long man, I appreciate it very much.
Growling Sidewinder I know in other videos you have stated you are not a real pilot, but I consider you very knowledgeable and your videos are awesome’ always educational and funny at sometimes! It’s been great supporting your channel’ keep it up 👍🏻
I'm absolutely glued to your videos! Nice content! But could you release videos in higher resolutions please? Thanks!
beautiful F-35. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it!
F-35 Is 9g capable. Don't throw it off the side just yet.
Awesome Video!, would really wanna see the F 35's BVR capability in your hands too!
God damn your wing was trimming the grass there
Good kill, good kill
Saw the Thunderbirds at an airshow with a F35 doing a demo. Man that F35 looked way more powerful and could pull things I dont think the F16s could do.
I've also heard in the latest software updates to the F35s it has been much less restrictions on its airframe stress tolerances and now has way more nose authority and maneuverability.
Even when it first came into USAF service, it could pull over 50 degrees of AoA, and the energy diagram is much like a Hornet. Plus, it's got more thrust dry than the Viper does wet.
Your dogfights are stupidly entertaining
Very to see a F-35 dogfight in a long time, this may be interesting knowing who's going to fall first lol
I think some people should watch some videos on the F35s abilities. It’s very capable, almost as agile as the F22 even though it doesn’t have thrust vectoring.
I haven’t seen the capabilities, can you link a vid?
I think in a real flight model, the F35 would hold its own because it has 49,000lb of thrust, much better HOA, more than double the fuel.
The F-35 has a similar maneuverability to the Hornet.
In an actual dog fight? No, not really; it's not built for that.
Its not designed to dogfight, its designed to hang back and pop shots from miles away unseen
43,000lb but it's also heavier. High hr Viper pilots use the F-35's AOA and superior yaw authority to dominate BFM against F-16s.
Even F-16 Aggressors had to start shedding External Tanks to try to keep up with the F-35s, and then the F-35s went and dropped bombs on the test ranges after their BFM sorties once the Vipers bingo'd on fuel.
@@mickeyg7219 Hornet pilots say it feels like a turbo-charged Hornet. There's an interesting anonymous pilot series of interviews with guys that came from F-15C, F-15E, F-16C, and A-10.
100% of them said they would take the F-35A into combat over their previous jet. There were only a few areas where the slick F-15C and F-16C had some advantages once they jettisoned external tanks in BFM, but the F-35A still had a surprising number of advantages against them in several BFM set-ups, not that it would ever need to do BFM.
Imagine the fear of the residents if this was a real city haha good flying by both pilots
I love how you said only nerds call it the falcon, just made my day 😂😂😂