this space-like awareness is simply that what is called "Qualia", which enables the perception of emotions, thoughts and all other perceptions. and yes, one cannot directly percept Qualia, but we nevertheless know that we have it, because otherwise there would be no conscious perceptions. every attemt to perceive Qalia directly, ends in a thought or thoughtimage about it. But that is not Qualia itself, but again just a perception.
...and the lovely thing about the supposed "Rupert" communication... is that at such "time" when holographic virtual reality is upon us...the pointing will not need alter itself in the least...in fact at that point an even closer to the fact pointing of what is and has always been...
Having listened to many of Rupert’s meditations on the nature of awareness being indivisible from the self, and so grateful for his patient and thoughtful teachings, I’m always left wondering about the nature of matter. Have I missed his talks on this?
Crystal clear logic, I love it. And we really don't need psychedelia to follow this reasoning. Just a willingness to open our minds and let go of what we have learned about what we are. The space that we are is always there. We overlook it because we are used to focus on objects. If we try to find it by focussing on it or look for it we will not find it. We have to learn to stop focussing on objects to notice what was always there. It is not a mental process, it is the ultimate meditation and it merges mind and heart. Thanks for posting 🙏
..." We overlook it because we are used to focus on objects " Dear, even Rupert ultimately sells all these non-physical pieces of thoughts and notions for an exchange of physical money...
This is an example of a non dual teacher confusing the relative nature of existence and the absolute. Thoughts do come from the head/brain, speak to any neuroscientist or cognitive behaviourist. It also appears in awareness, simultaneously as both. You have to see the two sides of the coin to truly get it. Rupert is simply incorrect here or partially correct.
EEGs display brain waves, and beta waves correlate with thought. In the absence of thought there’s an absence of beta waves on an EEG; whenever a thought arises beta waves accompany it. Xxxxxxxxxxxxx
@@vintorez9145 Sounds like a rhetorical question to which you know the answer. I’ll answer anyway. Beta waves indicate the presence of thought; thoughts and beta waves are correlated as I said. They are not the same thing. No. But there would be no beta waves without thought. And there’d be no thought without beta waves.
Am I right? My expierence and "myself" is the same thing, it isn't seperated ... so awareness needs a physical brain to reflect itself, otherwise it would be nothing or anything at the same "time", but timeless, formless and so on?
That's what we all have concluded what we are. The accumulated experiences gave conditioned our mind in such a way that a certain o personally has developed. We have then tied that Persona to a certain bodily from and voila we have you the person. If you look at the process above, you can see how that person has always changed and evolved. But a process can not know itself. To see all these changes taking place something permanent, unchanging had to be there to witness it. And that is the real you!😘
What hapoens to tge sky when a bird fly on it the sky remain the same even tge thunderstorm neverthkess the feeling appears like a space like presence what effect does it mean space like presence yes any type of weather leave a permanent effect
but she didn't get it.. Its better for some to just try big dose of LSD... then they will get it and can start to the working on themself. Theory is useless in this.. experience is what will change you.
Theory and logic have staying power, while experience comes and goes, particularly a psychedelic experience. That's what I like about Rupert, he uses experience as a means, a tool or a pointer to validate non-dual theory and logic, as well as to remove false belief.
I thought so to until I had my first breakthrough. Books and Video is useless If you want to experience non-duality... and it is impossible to explain a LSD trip to someone thats never done LSD.... Acid and meditation can give jo non-duality for a short/long time and if you have experienced non-duality it change you the "I" will not be the same.
I use DMT and this basically causes ego death, instantly, you dont need any thoughts/theories you just realise how silly wanting and resistance ie ego really is, and learn to just go with the flow, still like to listen to Rupert though and the terrible struggles the people seem to be going through, its all soooo serious lol :)
Yes but dmt is different for me atleast ...but amazing in its own way. LSD gives me much more focus and godlike awareness and my body and all my senses works better in every way. This guy th-cam.com/video/n_6TZMr1HXM/w-d-xo.html on LSD and give you a good feeling of what is happening to you if you let go and don't panic like most do when they take acid.
These new non dual teachers simply do not connect the dots. They miss out clear/rational thinking of the relative and end up confusing non duality as some negation of the relative.
I love Rupert's teaching technique, but occasionally he says something which is not strictly true. In this otherwise excellent teaching, he happens to mention something to the effect that no one has ever seen a thought in a brain. Well, they can. I think Rupert does not grasp that all of science can be true - and nevertheless that doesn't prevent Pure Awareness from being the fundamental basis for everything - because it is a level beyond all of science. Here is a link on seeing thoughts in an MRI: www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a27102/read-thoughts-with-brain-scan/
TheKsturt - wouldn't it be that the image in an MRI is the picture, the representation, of the electro-chemical REACTION in/of the brain to a "thought" that cannot be grasped by thysical tools or mental concepts? That was my spontaneous answer to your good point, and it sounded sufficient to me and compatible with the broader background of Rupert's teachings.
Except that Rupert has himself cited - in videos about free-will - the research that shows reactions in the brain BEFORE the conscious thought of the decision. Conscious thoughts are in words of a language. Those languages exist in certain years and not other years (such as 100 million years ago), and certain places and not other places (prior to the Internet anyway :) ), and so they are part of the physical world and the physical brain (injury to the brain can cause someone to lose language). So, just because Absolute Consciousness is the basic fundamental foundation of everything, does not mean that "mind" is more fundamental than "body". Consciousness and mind are not the same thing, this is a common fallacy - because thoughts are private. Thoughts are just objects that are known by Consciousness, and they require brains to occur.
Even we don't need an MRI to establish that thoughts are produce of head (mind and brain. Its just enough to see if any one, (as wise as Rupert) is deprived of body parts, one by one and the thoughts will be there until the head is dissociated,.. this may sound a little rude.. but
🇦🇱💾 I dont see life after death death before life life inside my resurrection resurrection inside first coming first coming inside second coming judgment bettween first and second coming chose you what want to be distinguish time want to enter exsperience by actual basis na nan na na uuu uu!!!
I am completely unmoved. All of this strikes me as extremely egocentric, by that I mean self-centered. This tacit insistence that there is something to the human experience that is foundational to the universe completely shuts the door to the possibility of other kinds of consciousness, some inferior some superior and others entirely alien. His analogies also completely fail. There is always water vapor in the sky regardless of clouds. No surgeon is gonna find a thought in exactly the same way as no engineer is gonna find a program by opening up and looking inside a hard drive. And movies are as so flawed an analogy that I don't even know where to start.
Have you ever experience a world outside your awareness? Evening mainstream science tell us that all our experience are taking place in our heads (just remember the biology lesson about how seeing works). So your body as well as your mind also only are and appear in your awareness, right? So what is is that thing that you refer to as you? And where is the line where you stop to be you and the other begins?😘
....so you started by saying..your mind were confused which question to resolve...take it slowly...you know cristians say...wait...in the Lord...so..during this time you are finding ng the ansewr...tge word wich give productivitu to your life and not battle in your mind...just stay in that word..and start eaktnig again in the Kord..but not in the corridor...with rauf and faik..they...will.sing a song .maybe you ate not used to hear.. such..is tofay if you hear my voice when you love to hear...a don hala...
.....Are your prayers answered ...still pray...even your mind doesnt want...god is a servent of Prayer...not to the mind...to the mind devil the servent is...
What is he saying, that qualifies him to your definitions?? But even those definitions appear on consciousness, you have no where to go, God or awareness or all knowing is unfathomable by your finite mind which ofcourse is an activity of consciousness. I think the point is, you just fascinated with the content of your experience and tend to forget who you're? But, any way that's what free will is all about. Even jesus tries to explain the same thing in the language of those days but people kept like mule😹😹😹😹
There’s an irony in rationally explaining non-duality. The more we think about non-duality, the less it is practiced/experienced. I do enjoy his explanations.
The Dao, consciousness, awareness...the 'I' that has no form, presence. The one thing that is eternal. What help me awaken is watching that voice talk involuntarily. The emotions, thoughts rises and passes away. I remain...
You know that you are but many of us overlook it and keep our attention to objects, like how we overlook the space of a room. Then a thought convinced us as a fake being and lots of people never questioned it.
.....my phisical sensation....or this area....you say your phisical sensation. appar.in your body...what does the sensation in your hand...appear .oh no ...the thing you hold..its a sensation on your hand...what the sound of my voice...appear...it sca perseption thats a very good start...you can not find it...anyway the sensation of your counsience...I dont know...I can not find it ..send you to develop...exsperience ...to become brave to distinguish what you. are exsperiencing on your hand...the handcarchief...for exsample the way it stay in you hand...from the thought you exsperienced in your mind...uh dont worry...the thoughts is exsperience...even.when...you dont have what to think...give I one...even...as I know myself I dont consume much words from.my exsperience....
...I am struggeling when you pose your question...I go to my mind and get mad to my mind...all th evyoutub that you get us read your paper..to exersise to get out ..you. just started..I am strugglenig to come ot of my head...this is an kind of exsperience... thought is an exsperience ..but you have to sent it in another level...
Does any type of weather leave any effect to the sky does that changes as the weather changes lets return to the first question which thought I am exsperiencing now
I don’t understand what does modulation mean in context of experience as a modulation on consciousness? Consciousness is that in which experience appear, with which it is known and from which it is made. I dont understand the last part “ from which it is made”. Am I understanding it wrong, how can a sensation or an image or sound made of consciousness?
“Made of” is a relative term. There are stages of understanding. Rupert makes the distinction between awareness and experience, but later collapses it. What is there to experience, other than the knowing of it? Or rather, what is there to experience, other than the experiencing of it? The knower and the known can be collapsed to just pure knowing. Knowing, knowing, knowing. Just as a movie appears to be separate from a TV screen, but actually the movie is inseparable from the tv screen, they are not two separate things. But they also aren’t identical. The screen does not share the same limitations of the movie. And the movie is a “modulation” or “fluctuation” of the screen. The screen being consciousness and the movie being experience. Experience is the “activity” of consciousness. But still, conscious remains unchanged and untouched. Just as a tv screen remains exactly the same, regardless of what the content of a movie is.
thoughts appear in the head, in the brain, not it the arm or foot, i can locate thoughts in my head, its not a precise point but its 100% the head... with brain scans we can see brain activity in regions of brain when people are thinkig, sleeping, dreaming, all different and same parts, also cut of the leg, the thoughts are there, damage the brain or cut of the head= no toughts, and so on...
We dont actually know, so we can only asume, and that is not valid... but we have certain indications that are prommising to the thesis that thaughts are in the brain, how they exacty work and exist maybe we dont know... also as i said, cut of the head, where is the person, ego, the thunker, and the thought?
The experience of a thought or the experience of the colour red can only be had from your own point of view. When someone scans your brain when you have a thought, they do not "see" your thought but only some images on a display. These are called correlates, similar to how a map is a correlate of the terrain. The map shows a blue line which REPRESENTS the river but there is a huge difference between a blue line on a piece of paper and the actual river. So your assertion "thoughts appear in the head" should be changed to "corellates of thought appear in the head". The actual thought is only known in direct experience by the one who is having it. If you want to go deeper, first understand what Rupert and others talk about when they say DIRECT EXPERIENCE. If you cut the head, you do not see the correlates of thought any more but you cannot know for sure that the thoughts themselves no longer appear. It's your assumption. Nonetheless, even if thoughts disappear when you have your head cut off, similar thing could be said if your heart is stabbed. Does that mean the thoughts were in the heart?
Catalin Morosan if you stab the heart that leads to the ,,death,, of the brain, so thoughts are not because of that in the heart, but the stabed hearth leads to cerbral death... i get what youre saying about the river or the map... yes, but let thake a photo of the river, yes, the photo or a video is not the river, its a ,,map,, but it is a kind of a prove of the existence of the river... also you say that the river exists... and we can prove it by looking at it with my own eyes and experience, taking photos from it, messuring the river with instruments and we can say that the river flows on a exact place on this earth and that is not flowing trought your apartmenet or your body... so in that way goes my observation about thoughta in the head, yes we can make only assumptions/collerations, but they have big proves, and validations to it, evidences, like evidences about the exsisting of rivers... yes they are not so clear, and stong, but brain scans, or other scientific methods or evan logical conclusions (like cuting of the head) are very certain prove thst thoughts are in the brain... by the way first person experience is not valid in my opinion, because i can trip, have halucinations, get shizophrenic and experience that i have wings, or even my experience right now, i know it, i see it but that does not know that i know for shure what it is, the tingeling in my ears is a experience, it can be nerve damage, food intolerance, heath, wind, or what not, and it can be proven, but my firat person can only assume, i can say that those are demons in my ears... ok, maybe a bit too much overthunking... my english is bad... i admire rupert the most, but lets stay very critical please and because rupert is the most awesome teacher alive, dont takr everything for granted and for true, please question everything... and another thing, dont explain exact thins, fact, with logical analogy, and that does rupert a lot, flowers grow when sun shines, conclusion flowers grow from sunshine, nooo, flowers grow with photosynthesis from sunshine and from minerals from the earth and from other reasons, logical thinking, and logical conclusions are not FACT, and are not the truth... first person experience is not the only valid method!!!! And analogys!!!!
What rupert and others are trying to point to does not contradict the scientific method. Imagine this is a dream, a dream that has rules and obeys "laws of nature". When you hit a dream person in the head, the person says "ouch!". Everything seems real and serious. But then you wake up and see that everything and everyone was just you having a dream. Similarly, rupert points to the One who is having this dream right now. Good luck in your explorations.! Be open to the idea that you may be missing something. Cheers! ;)
What a masterful way you have of helping us search--and be reminded--of our true nature! Thank you....
Whoah the most direct teaching, answered a lot of my questions
Rupert has such a grace!
I would say a charm
@@ВладиславПак-ф4х & I would say magick!!!!
Yes !!!!!!Yes!!!! This is it !!! The space like presence remains the same always!!!!!!!
this space-like awareness is simply that what is called "Qualia", which enables the perception of emotions, thoughts and all other perceptions. and yes, one cannot directly percept Qualia, but we nevertheless know that we have it, because otherwise there would be no conscious perceptions. every attemt to perceive Qalia directly, ends in a thought or thoughtimage about it. But that is not Qualia itself, but again just a perception.
Thank you
...and the lovely thing about the supposed "Rupert" communication... is that at such "time" when holographic virtual reality is upon us...the pointing will not need alter itself in the least...in fact at that point an even closer to the fact pointing of what is and has always been...
beautiful
Having listened to many of Rupert’s meditations on the nature of awareness being indivisible from the self, and so grateful for his patient and thoughtful teachings, I’m always left wondering about the nature of matter. Have I missed his talks on this?
Check out his conversation with Bernardo Kastrup
@@JamesBS thank you, I will.
Crystal clear logic, I love it. And we really don't need psychedelia to follow this reasoning. Just a willingness to open our minds and let go of what we have learned about what we are. The space that we are is always there. We overlook it because we are used to focus on objects. If we try to find it by focussing on it or look for it we will not find it. We have to learn to stop focussing on objects to notice what was always there. It is not a mental process, it is the ultimate meditation and it merges mind and heart. Thanks for posting 🙏
..." We overlook it because we are used to focus on objects " Dear, even Rupert ultimately sells all these non-physical pieces of thoughts and notions for an exchange of physical money...
Wonderful thank you Rupert
Brilliant
You find yourself by being yourself or you are enlightened by being enlightened (yourself). I am.
All this time I thought that Rupert was pointing to something other than my self.
very clear
bagwan Rupert 👌👌👌👌
This is an example of a non dual teacher confusing the relative nature of existence and the absolute. Thoughts do come from the head/brain, speak to any neuroscientist or cognitive behaviourist. It also appears in awareness, simultaneously as both. You have to see the two sides of the coin to truly get it. Rupert is simply incorrect here or partially correct.
Nothing, but Everything!!
The Truth is UNBELIEVABLE
Your right, thoughts come from the brain. Rupert didnt say thought didnt come from the brain, he said thoughts dont appear in the brain.
EEGs display brain waves, and beta waves correlate with thought. In the absence of thought there’s an absence of beta waves on an EEG; whenever a thought arises beta waves accompany it. Xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes, I follow you. So beta waves have a certain correlation with thoughts. But are beta waves thoughts?
@@vintorez9145 Sounds like a rhetorical question to which you know the answer. I’ll answer anyway. Beta waves indicate the presence of thought; thoughts and beta waves are correlated as I said. They are not the same thing. No. But there would be no beta waves without thought. And there’d be no thought without beta waves.
When you ask a question , are you asking my mind , brain , ego or my conscienceless ?
Am I right? My expierence and "myself" is the same thing, it isn't seperated ... so awareness needs a physical brain to reflect itself, otherwise it would be nothing or anything at the same "time", but timeless, formless and so on?
That's what we all have concluded what we are. The accumulated experiences gave conditioned our mind in such a way that a certain o personally has developed. We have then tied that Persona to a certain bodily from and voila we have you the person.
If you look at the process above, you can see how that person has always changed and evolved. But a process can not know itself. To see all these changes taking place something permanent, unchanging had to be there to witness it. And that is the real you!😘
The difference between my thoughts appear in me and my thoughts appear to me?
....in just a telative a movi is speaking but for the time being..so the thought must appesr in something..
What hapoens to tge sky when a bird fly on it the sky remain the same even tge thunderstorm neverthkess the feeling appears like a space like presence what effect does it mean space like presence yes any type of weather leave a permanent effect
but she didn't get it.. Its better for some to just try big dose of LSD... then they will get it and can start to the working on themself. Theory is useless in this.. experience is what will change you.
Theory and logic have staying power, while experience comes and goes, particularly a psychedelic experience. That's what I like about Rupert, he uses experience as a means, a tool or a pointer to validate non-dual theory and logic, as well as to remove false belief.
I thought so to until I had my first breakthrough. Books and Video is useless If you want to experience non-duality... and it is impossible to explain a LSD trip to someone thats never done LSD.... Acid and meditation can give jo non-duality for a short/long time and if you have experienced non-duality it change you the "I" will not be the same.
lol
I use DMT and this basically causes ego death, instantly, you dont need any thoughts/theories you just realise how silly wanting and resistance ie ego really is, and learn to just go with the flow, still like to listen to Rupert though and the terrible struggles the people seem to be going through, its all soooo serious lol :)
Yes but dmt is different for me atleast ...but amazing in its own way. LSD gives me much more focus and godlike awareness and my body and all my senses works better in every way. This guy th-cam.com/video/n_6TZMr1HXM/w-d-xo.html on LSD and give you a good feeling of what is happening to you if you let go and don't panic like most do when they take acid.
I'm looking forward to holographic films!
Porn?
These new non dual teachers simply do not connect the dots. They miss out clear/rational thinking of the relative and end up confusing non duality as some negation of the relative.
Just a method to break the illusion of separation. Refinement happens.
I love Rupert's teaching technique, but occasionally he says something which is not strictly true. In this otherwise excellent teaching, he happens to mention something to the effect that no one has ever seen a thought in a brain. Well, they can. I think Rupert does not grasp that all of science can be true - and nevertheless that doesn't prevent Pure Awareness from being the fundamental basis for everything - because it is a level beyond all of science. Here is a link on seeing thoughts in an MRI: www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a27102/read-thoughts-with-brain-scan/
TheKsturt - wouldn't it be that the image in an MRI is the picture, the representation, of the electro-chemical REACTION in/of the brain to a "thought" that cannot be grasped by thysical tools or mental concepts? That was my spontaneous answer to your good point, and it sounded sufficient to me and compatible with the broader background of Rupert's teachings.
Except that Rupert has himself cited - in videos about free-will - the research that shows reactions in the brain BEFORE the conscious thought of the decision. Conscious thoughts are in words of a language. Those languages exist in certain years and not other years (such as 100 million years ago), and certain places and not other places (prior to the Internet anyway :) ), and so they are part of the physical world and the physical brain (injury to the brain can cause someone to lose language).
So, just because Absolute Consciousness is the basic fundamental foundation of everything, does not mean that "mind" is more fundamental than "body". Consciousness and mind are not the same thing, this is a common fallacy - because thoughts are private. Thoughts are just objects that are known by Consciousness, and they require brains to occur.
Even we don't need an MRI to establish that thoughts are produce of head (mind and brain. Its just enough to see if any one, (as wise as Rupert) is deprived of body parts, one by one and the thoughts will be there until the head is dissociated,.. this may sound a little rude.. but
dies any tyoe of weathet leave any kind of effect
💓🙏🕉
Aha!
Pre-congrats RuRa for 100k in 2020!
🇦🇱💾 I dont see life after death death before life life inside my resurrection resurrection inside first coming first coming inside second coming judgment bettween first and second coming chose you what want to be distinguish time want to enter exsperience by actual basis na nan na na uuu uu!!!
I am completely unmoved. All of this strikes me as extremely egocentric, by that I mean self-centered. This tacit insistence that there is something to the human experience that is foundational to the universe completely shuts the door to the possibility of other kinds of consciousness, some inferior some superior and others entirely alien. His analogies also completely fail. There is always water vapor in the sky regardless of clouds. No surgeon is gonna find a thought in exactly the same way as no engineer is gonna find a program by opening up and looking inside a hard drive. And movies are as so flawed an analogy that I don't even know where to start.
Have you ever experience a world outside your awareness? Evening mainstream science tell us that all our experience are taking place in our heads (just remember the biology lesson about how seeing works). So your body as well as your mind also only are and appear in your awareness, right?
So what is is that thing that you refer to as you? And where is the line where you stop to be you and the other begins?😘
She doesn't care. That's okay.
....so you started by saying..your mind were confused which question to resolve...take it slowly...you know cristians say...wait...in the Lord...so..during this time you are finding ng the ansewr...tge word wich give productivitu to your life and not battle in your mind...just stay in that word..and start eaktnig again in the Kord..but not in the corridor...with rauf and faik..they...will.sing a song .maybe you ate not used to hear..
such..is tofay if you hear my voice when you love to hear...a don hala...
.....Are your prayers answered ...still pray...even your mind doesnt want...god is a servent of Prayer...not to the mind...to the mind devil the servent is...
4th
Is he a guru ? Or a cult leader ?
What is he saying, that qualifies him to your definitions?? But even those definitions appear on consciousness, you have no where to go, God or awareness or all knowing is unfathomable by your finite mind which ofcourse is an activity of consciousness.
I think the point is, you just fascinated with the content of your experience and tend to forget who you're? But, any way that's what free will is all about. Even jesus tries to explain the same thing in the language of those days but people kept like mule😹😹😹😹
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She admitted of watching all Rupert's videos.
And then when questioned she does not know the answers?
That's really strange 🤔
Sometimes, these "teachers" are so full of
baloney, it makes you wonder why anybody would read their
garbage.
This video of Rupert is indeed a masterpiece of Spiritual catechism !
There’s an irony in rationally explaining non-duality. The more we think about non-duality, the less it is practiced/experienced.
I do enjoy his explanations.
The Dao, consciousness, awareness...the 'I' that has no form, presence. The one thing that is eternal. What help me awaken is watching that voice talk involuntarily. The emotions, thoughts rises and passes away. I remain...
Haven’t they been able to display video images of the brain where the occurrence of a s thought can be isolated by viewing specific neural activity?
... also, how do we experience awareness outside of thought or perception?
I can see Rupert Spira making a pot, the clay, the thrown pot!
Whose experience? There is never a you. It's consciousness living a mind wake.
Tell I who you are listen listen just a minute!🙏☘
I experience a flow of thought but never A thought. Experience to me appears to be made of change, therefore there are no limited objects within it.
she sounds cute..tryna get me a non duality date
Javier Alejandro Make sure u become one with her
...kr sa padke pi...
The question really for me is: How can we remember ourselves as the knowing/presence/awareness/consciousness?
You know that you are but many of us overlook it and keep our attention to objects, like how we overlook the space of a room.
Then a thought convinced us as a fake being and lots of people never questioned it.
How can we forget?
.....my phisical sensation....or this area....you say your phisical sensation. appar.in your body...what does the sensation in your hand...appear .oh no ...the thing you hold..its a sensation on your hand...what the sound of my voice...appear...it sca perseption
thats a very good start...you can not find it...anyway the sensation of your counsience...I dont know...I can not find it ..send you to develop...exsperience ...to become brave to distinguish what you. are exsperiencing on your hand...the handcarchief...for exsample the way it stay in you hand...from the thought you exsperienced in your mind...uh dont worry...the thoughts is exsperience...even.when...you dont have what to think...give I one...even...as I know myself I dont consume much words from.my exsperience....
...I am struggeling when you pose your question...I go to my mind and get mad to my mind...all th evyoutub that you get us read your paper..to exersise to get out ..you. just started..I am strugglenig to come ot of my head...this is an kind of exsperience... thought is an exsperience ..but you have to sent it in another level...
are well all just living in a computer simulation?
Yes
Does any type of weather leave any effect to the sky does that changes as the weather changes lets return to the first question which thought I am exsperiencing now
I don’t understand what does modulation mean in context of experience as a modulation on consciousness? Consciousness is that in which experience appear, with which it is known and from which it is made. I dont understand the last part “ from which it is made”. Am I understanding it wrong, how can a sensation or an image or sound made of consciousness?
“Made of” is a relative term. There are stages of understanding. Rupert makes the distinction between awareness and experience, but later collapses it. What is there to experience, other than the knowing of it? Or rather, what is there to experience, other than the experiencing of it? The knower and the known can be collapsed to just pure knowing. Knowing, knowing, knowing. Just as a movie appears to be separate from a TV screen, but actually the movie is inseparable from the tv screen, they are not two separate things. But they also aren’t identical. The screen does not share the same limitations of the movie. And the movie is a “modulation” or “fluctuation” of the screen. The screen being consciousness and the movie being experience. Experience is the “activity” of consciousness. But still, conscious remains unchanged and untouched. Just as a tv screen remains exactly the same, regardless of what the content of a movie is.
Zeroth
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thoughts appear in the head, in the brain, not it the arm or foot, i can locate thoughts in my head, its not a precise point but its 100% the head... with brain scans we can see brain activity in regions of brain when people are thinkig, sleeping, dreaming, all different and same parts, also cut of the leg, the thoughts are there, damage the brain or cut of the head= no toughts, and so on...
With brain scans you see correlates of thoughts and perceptions, not the actual things in themselves. The map is not the territory.
We dont actually know, so we can only asume, and that is not valid... but we have certain indications that are prommising to the thesis that thaughts are in the brain, how they exacty work and exist maybe we dont know... also as i said, cut of the head, where is the person, ego, the thunker, and the thought?
The experience of a thought or the experience of the colour red can only be had from your own point of view. When someone scans your brain when you have a thought, they do not "see" your thought but only some images on a display. These are called correlates, similar to how a map is a correlate of the terrain. The map shows a blue line which REPRESENTS the river but there is a huge difference between a blue line on a piece of paper and the actual river.
So your assertion "thoughts appear in the head" should be changed to "corellates of thought appear in the head". The actual thought is only known in direct experience by the one who is having it. If you want to go deeper, first understand what Rupert and others talk about when they say DIRECT EXPERIENCE.
If you cut the head, you do not see the correlates of thought any more but you cannot know for sure that the thoughts themselves no longer appear. It's your assumption. Nonetheless, even if thoughts disappear when you have your head cut off, similar thing could be said if your heart is stabbed. Does that mean the thoughts were in the heart?
Catalin Morosan if you stab the heart that leads to the ,,death,, of the brain, so thoughts are not because of that in the heart, but the stabed hearth leads to cerbral death... i get what youre saying about the river or the map... yes, but let thake a photo of the river, yes, the photo or a video is not the river, its a ,,map,, but it is a kind of a prove of the existence of the river... also you say that the river exists... and we can prove it by looking at it with my own eyes and experience, taking photos from it, messuring the river with instruments and we can say that the river flows on a exact place on this earth and that is not flowing trought your apartmenet or your body... so in that way goes my observation about thoughta in the head, yes we can make only assumptions/collerations, but they have big proves, and validations to it, evidences, like evidences about the exsisting of rivers... yes they are not so clear, and stong, but brain scans, or other scientific methods or evan logical conclusions (like cuting of the head) are very certain prove thst thoughts are in the brain... by the way first person experience is not valid in my opinion, because i can trip, have halucinations, get shizophrenic and experience that i have wings, or even my experience right now, i know it, i see it but that does not know that i know for shure what it is, the tingeling in my ears is a experience, it can be nerve damage, food intolerance, heath, wind, or what not, and it can be proven, but my firat person can only assume, i can say that those are demons in my ears... ok, maybe a bit too much overthunking... my english is bad... i admire rupert the most, but lets stay very critical please and because rupert is the most awesome teacher alive, dont takr everything for granted and for true, please question everything... and another thing, dont explain exact thins, fact, with logical analogy, and that does rupert a lot, flowers grow when sun shines, conclusion flowers grow from sunshine, nooo, flowers grow with photosynthesis from sunshine and from minerals from the earth and from other reasons, logical thinking, and logical conclusions are not FACT, and are not the truth... first person experience is not the only valid method!!!! And analogys!!!!
What rupert and others are trying to point to does not contradict the scientific method. Imagine this is a dream, a dream that has rules and obeys "laws of nature". When you hit a dream person in the head, the person says "ouch!". Everything seems real and serious. But then you wake up and see that everything and everyone was just you having a dream. Similarly, rupert points to the One who is having this dream right now. Good luck in your explorations.! Be open to the idea that you may be missing something. Cheers! ;)