Vulkan He'stan is not the chapter master of the Salamanders. The chapter master is Tu'Shan. Vulkan He'stan is the current forgefather, tasked with finding the artifacts scattered by Vulkan the primarch.
It's kind of odd how in a exploding vehicle nearby squads take automatic d3 mortal wounds, but the guys in the exploding vehicle only die on a roll of 1.
That's one of the things I'm kind of worried about, My friend plays Grey knights so he'll have his codex (if rumors hold true) in about a month while I, an ork player, wont have mine till sometime next year. The specialized codex's are going to provide a lot of extra power. 9 psychic powers to choose from if I'm not mistaken in space marine codex.
I thought the point of 8th edition was to simplify and less bookkeeping. Did they mean simplify the rules but make it more 'complex' by adding them together, multiplying, and adding layers upon layers of the same rules over and over?
Brad Lund the best thing is this fucking bullshit campaign where imperium has the ONLY CODEX CURRENTLY, a fuckton of players which kinda makes it have LITERAL PLOT ARMOR on a fucking global campaign
I'd suggest Luka could do with thinking more about when to use his re-rolls. When Matt took out the Daemon Prince, Luka could have used his re-roll for the last Chaos Marine who was on a 3+ that was between the prince and the Hellblasters. That would have stopped the Hellblasters shooting at the Demon Prince at all. Or on the 5+ invul save on the Daemon Prince rather than on the 6+ FNP equivalent right at the end. I imagine it's not easy when you're filming as well, but just a thought.
Vulkan He'stan is the Forgefather of the Salamanders, not the Chapter Master. That is Tu'Shan. Vulkan is searching for the artifacts of the Primarch Vulkan. That is also why he only lets other Marines reroll hot rolls of 1, not all failed ones.
Salamnanders use their full potential now by playing small units of five, each with one Special- or Heavy Weapon, even overloaded plasmaguns are quite good for them now !!!
Daegog The Wyrdmake Spot on. I wouldn't mind that personally if the other player had something similar. Matt has been infamous for bringing serious armies against fluffy armies.
*Throws papers up in a huff* I just... I JUST CAN'T EVEN! CHAPTER MASTER HE'STAN? OMG! I just! *stomps away* ... *comes back* I mean - OMG! How wrong can you guys BE! *huffs around all dramatic like* *pushes glasses up nose* *pushes unnecessary nerdrage button* He's the FORGEFATHER. He's been tasked with tracking down the missing Vulkan artifacts. Tu'Shan is the chapter master. I mean OMG HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT? I mean all you have to do is read up on literally 30 years of everchanging fluff and story and commit it to memory. Come on, Matt!
Luca, might want to make note that when using a Daemon Prince, the mark you choose does matter. Daemon Princes of Slaanesh in your case ALWAYS attack first in combat, even if they were charged or it's not the controlling players fight turn. They also give you the key word "SLAANESH".
Only if it is a 'Chaos Daemon' Daemon Prince. The CSM Daemon Prince doesn't get god-specific abilities like, say, Disgustingly Resilient for Nurgle. All a CSM DP gets is access to the Heretic Astartes psyker powers if Tzeentch, Nurgle or Slaanesh, or an extra attack if aligned with Khorne. The upshot of taking a CSM DP is that he gives the marines of his legion rerolls and the psyker abilities like warptime and prescience also affect CSM units. The psyker abilities of a Chaos Daemon DP are not quite as synergistic.
I love Sentinels of the Forge and the Salamanders! The Salamanders are my favorite chapter by far and I absolutely love the MiniWar Gaming custom chapter!
Relooking at it at the time of his die roll he had a 1/6 chance the 30.2% (11/36) chance is before the first roll if you did the CP reroll a significant amount of times which if Matt did enough CP seize rolls (which he might) he might hit that around 1 in 3 game seize but you have to go in with that strategy every game or else the stat will not even out. The interesting stat here is to see maybe how many games are won by the first player and comparing that to how much better your odd are on decent rerolls on hitting or wounds (3+'s) or now even wargear you can spend CPs on. Both of the latter you will use in almost every game making it more likely to hit that sweet spot for sig figs. Just find while the 1/3 is interesting he did not at the time have a 1/3 since his first independent die roll failed leaving him with a 1/6 chance. Great game by the way and made me think about if I should plan in the CP seize die roll or not probably depends on what type of lists you run. Which to be fair larger armies tend to have more CPs pre-codexes.
At the 31st minute you re-rolled a failed multimelta hit roll of 4. Since the rule states re-rolls are always performed pre-modifiers, should this have been done? Shouldn't you have only been able to re-roll a 1 or 2 there?
The problem with your idea of using the named characters with successors of their chapter is that normally this army's keyword would still be Sentinels of the Forge. In the back of the codex, it says that you still get the chapter tactics of the founding chapter of your successors, even if you don't use the founding chapter as the keyword. So, even with the keyword as Sentinels of the Forge, you still get Salamander chapter tactics since you say they are successors of the Salamanders.
A good tactic is to put the captain or vulkan next to the hellblasters so they can reroll 1s to hit so can pretty much always overcharge its in the latest white dwarf
at 1:10:00 small error on He'stan fight, He has 3+ invul so would have tanked the damage at 1:14:14 Luka could have rolled 4 dice since in half range to rhino
Great battle report one thing I did note is you did not give a relice to a charcter. From the first view it stated that you can give a relic to a character if your army is battle foirged. (there are also ways to send command points to get additional relics I think it is 1 CP gives 2 relic and 2 CP gives 3 relics.)
It's the Mini Wargaming chapter. He's modeled after Dave they're just using him as Vulkan. They have a librarian modeled after Matt they use Tigerious sometimes too.
That's Forgefather Davicus. Get your lore straight man! ;) And yes, I could have gotten a free relic. For some reason I thought they cost points (beyond the weapon that they replace) so I missed that.
Adeptus Tacticus I don't think that is how mortal wounds work. They are not "mortal" in the sense of the old "instant death", just no saves allowed (FNP effects not withstanding)
James Kneser all plasma on troops say if they roll a 1 the model is slain, not that the model takes a mortal wound. There are exceptions for vehicles that state they take a number or mortal wounds instead but for troops it's pretty much always a "model is slain" result, characters as well.
Even if he rolled a 1 to hit, he had prescience on which gives him +1 to hit which makes the dice result a 2. He would have still missed, but the model wouldn't have died.
the door in room is painted in a way that makes it look like a low resolution texture and it makes my brain hurt, and the way the boards on it are done accentuates it.
Starburst7641 bad players will make a new book look good. They guy pkaying chaos had a pretty average list, and made a few noob mistakes. Besides, the MWG crew never get rules right, so theres a good chance they played this army wrong anyway.
While I agree with you on the points of the average list and MWG`s skills in getting the rules wrong, the fact remains that the codexes bring significant advantages over what is in the indexes - strategems, chapter tactics, wargear, psychic powers etc.
GW has promised a pretty fast release schedule, so hopefully other armies will get their special bonuses pretty soon too (I know chaos will be out by the end of august).
Remember grenades are only 6 inch range and melta bombs are 4 inches. Just like how you can't fire flamers on overwatch if the charge distance is over 8 inches. Its stupid but its RAW.
Mark Wang to be fair though you overwatch before the charge roll technically. If the unit you hit with overwatch fails their charge then they don't move. So how could you get a hit with such a short ranged weapon when the enemy is clearly outside of that range. Weird, yes. However I kind of get it.
Mark Wang abstract thoughts, the game is happening in real time. I'd imagine a failed charge could mean the incoming fire threw off the charging unit, a wall of fire chased them back, etc etc
Well I know how they explain what a failed charge means (getting thrown back by overwatch, fear, and other factors etc). I'm just saying its silly you can't fire a flamer on overwatch because they'd obviously have to come within 8 inches to get into cc because range actually matters for overwatch now. In 7th it was just d3 autohits regardless of range. Like you'd think of all times you'd be able to fire the flamer, it would be when getting charged in close quarters. Aw well. Mb they'll faq it.
when chargin, if the unit fails arent they supposed to move the distence they rolled? And taking turns during cc phase, isnt it all the charging units who goes first before you switch turns to do attacks?
when you're rerolling things like 4x lascannons remember that you have to resolve weapons one at a time, so when you roll a bunch of shots at once, and then roll a 2+ to see which you want to re-roll to hit with you're cheating, albeit very slightly
Hey, I love these vids, really informative and fun to watch - So much so I’ve signed up to your main site. I do have a question about growing my army: Being a returning player (last playing with the third edition) I’m a bit overwhelmed with all the new SM units. I’ve started playing salamanders again and at the moment my army is; A captain in Term Armour, 2x 5 man tac squads (missile launcher, flamer and a Sgt with a plasPist + PWR sword, a 5 man sniper squad with INV cloaks and a Ven Dred with an assault canon, combat arm and a heavy flamer. I know I need another cheapish HQ, maybe another Scout squad - for objectives but being salamanders something that takes advantage of re-rolls and flam / Melta based weapons could be fun? This is just shy of 500 pts and I’m looking to grow it to around 800 - I would really love some advice RE growing my army - keeping it kind of Balanced (maybe tipping to more shooty but still being able to defend against hoards/ deep striking opponents.) Any advice would be amazing - please keep making these videos :)
Bike characters aren't gone, they're still in the Index, they just aren't in the Codex. Games Workshop stated in one of their articles that some units wouldn't get re-printed in the Codex, such as Legion of the Damned and the Imperial Space Marine. Guess bike Librarian/Chaplain/etc are staying Index only.
True, but when you read the FAQ it feels more like they said "Use the Index for the army until the Codex comes out." I can see it argued either way, so we just decided to go with just what's in the codex until an FAQ clarifies.
seems crazy that white scars can't have biker characters, if Ravenwing end up being the only army that can take biker characters there will be blood in the streets.
miniwargaming FAQ quote says "There are a few options in the indexes for some characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range - certain Dreadnought weapons that don't come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example. Don't worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the data sheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons. They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army."
Hump Debump I don't think so my world eaters list has only lost twice in 10 games one my first time playing 8th not giving them rhinos to ride in and second was against a storm shield cheese list (he was tired of losing against me) so I did agree gunlines were key in 7th but I think it's much more even in 8th
I run a mix of deathguard and worldeaters, nice big units of pox walkers with typhus running forward and bezerkers to crash past whats left all supported by a waay overcosted but so damn cool lord of skulls, its been doing much better in 8th than it ever did in 7th, it was never designed to be a competitive list its more funsie but its won more matches than its lost so far
No models are outright slain if they roll a 1, regardless of how many wounds. Proof that this is true would be the Leman Russ. It has a rule called emergency plasma vents, it states that on a roll of 1 while over charging plasma, it suffers 6 mortal wounds instead of being of being automatically destroyed. So unless the sorcerer has a similar rule, it dies instantly regardless if the model has multiple wounds.
Most Infantry that have the ability to supercharge plasma state some variation of "On a Hit Roll of 1, the bearer is Slain." That line comes straight off the entry for Chaos Sorcerers.
Pyro_Renny it says over 10 not 10 and above so you need an 11. Unless you are a rubric marine sorcerer then you need a 10 to do baby smite d3. I know it's weird.
I just stumbled on this the other day...but I'm pretty sure you have to spend 2 command points to discard an objective. Unless that's just an extra discard and I'm reading it wrong, which could absolutely be the case
With the free 1 die re-roll for the Salamanders (and the occasional to-wound) per unit, any idea how many command points that would have taken over the course of the game?
To bad that the salamanders army didnt max its chapter benefits like taking smaller squads etc etc. 50:05 Doesnt vulkan allow to reroll flamer hits as well as wounds?
Doesn't the Daemon Prince allow the chaos space marines re-roll "1"'s to hit? @38:00 min mark I think he was close enough to provide that bonus. But again he could be out of range and I couldn't tell.
Vulkan is NOT the Chapter Master of the Salamanders. He never has been He's the Forgefather (captain equivalent), the guy who goes out looking for all Vulcan's artifacts that he left. That is NOT Chapter Master. Standard Lieutenants also let you re-roll to wound, and are dirt cheap. Better than the Primaris Version. You have illegal setups on your Tactical Squads. You can't have 2 special weapons. 1 Special and 1 Heavy.
at 27:00 you could just have not killed that squad. Then you would killed it with moral and would have achieved your objective more easily. Or luka spends 2 command points. Both worth it.
Do the Chaos Marines have their legion equivalents? IE begin able to field Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Emperors Children, etc, with some rules relating to them? If not will they be getting one?
Warhammer TV, the official GW painting tutorial channel, have multiple tutorial videos for them, one of which came out not too long ago so should be easy to find.
Thank you for your effort. Yet FAQ, Designer's Commentary, or Stepping into a New Edition states nothing that Command Re-Roll can be used before the battle begins. This is my argument. First movement phase is when the battle begins.
Thanks. Will take a look at it if its a free post. Where I am hung up on the footer "Matched Play Mission Rules" on page 215 paragraph "Strategic Discipline" where it states stratagems are only used in the phases. Unless noted to do so otherwise on the stratagem. Determining "First Turn" is not a phase defined as on page 176. "Each turn consists of a series of phases...."
True pg 242 states that stratagems can be used before game. That I do not dispute. Though all the stratagems GW provided so far. They are all consistent in telling the player when the stratagem can be used. "Use this Stratagem at X moment, Provided you have..., Select an enemy unit. For duration of...." Since Command Re-roll does not state when it can be used. In Match Play, Strategic Discipline defines when Command Re-roll stratagem can be used. I do thank you for for your correspondence and will stop spamming the post.
where in the codex does it give space marines the new objective secured? Edit: You also deploy your rhino's already loaded with troops...I can't find anything in the rules to dictate how transports work on deployment. I assumed you needed to assign the transport and the units (plural) within them separately. Are there any rules that clarify this?
On the taking named characters, in the first Imperial Index, in the introductions to the Blood Angels (p. 89) and the Dark Angels (p. 107) it says in the sidebar on the bottom right that you can't take named characters with any successor chapters :( not sure whether/how this would apply to other SM chapters
Gungnir Just give your successor chapter the blood angels keyword, for rules purposes they are now blood angels but you can call them the pizza warriors for all I care and paint them in Italian colours.
Gungnir It says no wjere in the rules that your paint jpb has to be accurate or that you have to call your chapter the same as their keyword. So no one is able to deny your succesor chapter their characters, just remember that.
Hey man I'm on your side here, I'm just pointing it out for people who might want to be aware of it. It's your prerogative to judge whether or not you want to use certain rules, or how you want to interpret them, but I have - and I'm sure you have - run into loads of people who will interpret rules specifically for their own advantage - best thing is to be aware of it beforehand and choose whether you want to contest that or not at a tourney or games day :)
Anyone else think that combat seems a bit worse? You can get to combat easier now which was the big problem with the last couple of editions but when you're there, unless your packing some punch then not many seem to die. I think if they would of gave ccw an ap it would go some way to mitigating that problem. At the minute shooting is great and as a tactic the assault phase is good I'm more concerned with the damage output, close combats seem a bit more indecisive now without sweeping advance, or is it just me?
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I feel like there should be a drinking game where you have to take a shot everytime Matt says "because I'm a salamander".
Vulkan He'stan is not the chapter master of the Salamanders. The chapter master is Tu'Shan. Vulkan He'stan is the current forgefather, tasked with finding the artifacts scattered by Vulkan the primarch.
allconsuminghat They could have changed it.
I can assure you, I am still chapter master :P
allconsuminghat god the way he says He'stan makes me cringe
allconsuminghat I think he said that his successor chapter's Chapter Master is this guy, but is just using He'Stan's rules and model.
Can they find my artifacts that I can come back?
The new Primaris Aggressors with the flamestorm gauntlets are going to be amazing for the Salamanders
It's kind of odd how in a exploding vehicle nearby squads take automatic d3 mortal wounds, but the guys in the exploding vehicle only die on a roll of 1.
It's straight slain. So if you have a bunch of multi-wound characters they get killed on a roll of a 1.
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Holy shit these rerolls and buffs are crazy! Playing against an army with a codex without having one yourself is going to be a pain in the ass
J.D. C well the game in this video is like this if you haven't noticed... Also kinda same thing for forge world but atleast it's available to everyone
That's one of the things I'm kind of worried about, My friend plays Grey knights so he'll have his codex (if rumors hold true) in about a month while I, an ork player, wont have mine till sometime next year. The specialized codex's are going to provide a lot of extra power. 9 psychic powers to choose from if I'm not mistaken in space marine codex.
I thought the point of 8th edition was to simplify and less bookkeeping. Did they mean simplify the rules but make it more 'complex' by adding them together, multiplying, and adding layers upon layers of the same rules over and over?
Joseph Giordano anything to make more cash I guess
Brad Lund the best thing is this fucking bullshit campaign where imperium has the ONLY CODEX CURRENTLY, a fuckton of players which kinda makes it have LITERAL PLOT ARMOR on a fucking global campaign
I think this game shows how good the Salamander tactic is. Heavy and Special weapons are so more reliable with it.
I'd suggest Luka could do with thinking more about when to use his re-rolls. When Matt took out the Daemon Prince, Luka could have used his re-roll for the last Chaos Marine who was on a 3+ that was between the prince and the Hellblasters. That would have stopped the Hellblasters shooting at the Demon Prince at all. Or on the 5+ invul save on the Daemon Prince rather than on the 6+ FNP equivalent right at the end. I imagine it's not easy when you're filming as well, but just a thought.
I was thinking the same thing when he did that lol
Agreed, and filming probably makes you want to speed play but that was a big tactical error in my opinion.
Vulkan He'stan is the Forgefather of the Salamanders, not the Chapter Master. That is Tu'Shan. Vulkan is searching for the artifacts of the Primarch Vulkan. That is also why he only lets other Marines reroll hot rolls of 1, not all failed ones.
Everyone seems to forget that they have bolt pistols to shoot when they are in combat.
Salamnanders use their full potential now by playing small units of five, each with one Special- or Heavy Weapon, even overloaded plasmaguns are quite good for them now !!!
I get the impression that matt is a total power gamer and everyone else is fairly laid back.
Daegog The Wyrdmake Spot on. I wouldn't mind that personally if the other player had something similar. Matt has been infamous for bringing serious armies against fluffy armies.
Seems like he takes line of sight a bit liberally too
he definitely seems to be more into math-hammer the way he rambles off stats and odds without a moments thought
I believe Vulkan has a 3+ invuln save, so he should have not taken that wound that dropped him to 2 wounds. Also good game though, have a nice day.
I think that you may be forgetting that rhinos self repair.
awesome :) I have a primaris lieutenant who we named rambo after surviving unbelievable odds of orks
James Isted Only ones who go by Rambo are the Catachan
take a shot every time you hear, "because salamanders"
Nicolas Cage I did. Managed to down two neighbours, a biker and the mailman before the cops arrived.
I feel that this is biased toward Space Wolves.
And those shots have to be flaming shots... because Salamanders. Seriously tho, it get pretty annoying to hear it all the time :E
*Throws papers up in a huff* I just... I JUST CAN'T EVEN!
CHAPTER MASTER HE'STAN? OMG! I just!
*stomps away*
...
*comes back*
I mean - OMG! How wrong can you guys BE! *huffs around all dramatic like*
*pushes glasses up nose*
*pushes unnecessary nerdrage button*
He's the FORGEFATHER. He's been tasked with tracking down the missing Vulkan artifacts.
Tu'Shan is the chapter master.
I mean OMG HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT? I mean all you have to do is read up on literally 30 years of everchanging fluff and story and commit it to memory. Come on, Matt!
The at the end kinda ruins it
Can I get a newsletter subscription to your comments?
I can't tell you how often I hear that when I bring out my Salamanders army... I make it a point to say forgefather He'stan...
Luca, might want to make note that when using a Daemon Prince, the mark you choose does matter. Daemon Princes of Slaanesh in your case ALWAYS attack first in combat, even if they were charged or it's not the controlling players fight turn. They also give you the key word "SLAANESH".
Only if it is a 'Chaos Daemon' Daemon Prince. The CSM Daemon Prince doesn't get god-specific abilities like, say, Disgustingly Resilient for Nurgle. All a CSM DP gets is access to the Heretic Astartes psyker powers if Tzeentch, Nurgle or Slaanesh, or an extra attack if aligned with Khorne.
The upshot of taking a CSM DP is that he gives the marines of his legion rerolls and the psyker abilities like warptime and prescience also affect CSM units. The psyker abilities of a Chaos Daemon DP are not quite as synergistic.
I love Sentinels of the Forge and the Salamanders! The Salamanders are my favorite chapter by far and I absolutely love the MiniWar Gaming custom chapter!
Relooking at it at the time of his die roll he had a 1/6 chance the 30.2% (11/36) chance is before the first roll if you did the CP reroll a significant amount of times which if Matt did enough CP seize rolls (which he might) he might hit that around 1 in 3 game seize but you have to go in with that strategy every game or else the stat will not even out. The interesting stat here is to see maybe how many games are won by the first player and comparing that to how much better your odd are on decent rerolls on hitting or wounds (3+'s) or now even wargear you can spend CPs on. Both of the latter you will use in almost every game making it more likely to hit that sweet spot for sig figs. Just find while the 1/3 is interesting he did not at the time have a 1/3 since his first independent die roll failed leaving him with a 1/6 chance. Great game by the way and made me think about if I should plan in the CP seize die roll or not probably depends on what type of lists you run. Which to be fair larger armies tend to have more CPs pre-codexes.
poor Tu'Shan he needs a mini, but i doubt we will get one anytime soon
those chapter tactics made a huge difference in the outcome of this battle. It was a great game, thanks!
At the 31st minute you re-rolled a failed multimelta hit roll of 4. Since the rule states re-rolls are always performed pre-modifiers, should this have been done? Shouldn't you have only been able to re-roll a 1 or 2 there?
You bet! That was a mistake.
Paint job on that Sorcerer... damn. That sword glow is awesome.
The table looks perfect, one of the best I've ever seen, if not the best.
WOOT! Nice to see the Chaos Rhinos with hatches and combi-bolters!
I would like to see some battle reports with the Death Guard!
there is one but its not great
Onk3lM0 I feel like MWG doesn't like DG. All the battle reports with them aren't very good. Maybe that will change once the Codex comes out
Callum Grubb it's not a death guard army
Elijah Khaira its a death guard warband.
Mandalorian Supercommando no he got bezerkers in it which are world eaters
The problem with your idea of using the named characters with successors of their chapter is that normally this army's keyword would still be Sentinels of the Forge. In the back of the codex, it says that you still get the chapter tactics of the founding chapter of your successors, even if you don't use the founding chapter as the keyword. So, even with the keyword as Sentinels of the Forge, you still get Salamander chapter tactics since you say they are successors of the Salamanders.
A good tactic is to put the captain or vulkan next to the hellblasters so they can reroll 1s to hit so can pretty much always overcharge its in the latest white dwarf
For the named character and chapter tactics, it doesn't say anything specific about having them on successors, except for the Dark Angels in the index
When the Predator attacked the rhino you forgot that it had dropped smoke that turn.
Best new strategy: charging exploding rhinos at Primaris Marines .
at 1:10:00 small error on He'stan fight, He has 3+ invul so would have tanked the damage
at 1:14:14 Luka could have rolled 4 dice since in half range to rhino
That sorceror paint job is really cool. Could we have some pictures of it?
Great battle report one thing I did note is you did not give a relice to a charcter. From the first view it stated that you can give a relic to a character if your army is battle foirged. (there are also ways to send command points to get additional relics I think it is 1 CP gives 2 relic and 2 CP gives 3 relics.)
Also on the paint job why did you make Vulkan's skin tone as pale. As a Salamander he sould have black skin.
It's the Mini Wargaming chapter. He's modeled after Dave they're just using him as Vulkan. They have a librarian modeled after Matt they use Tigerious sometimes too.
That's Forgefather Davicus. Get your lore straight man! ;)
And yes, I could have gotten a free relic. For some reason I thought they cost points (beyond the weapon that they replace) so I missed that.
Finally a chaos list that's not entirely cultists!
1:24:16
Sorcerer fires plasma pistol, overcharged; Fails and isn't removed from play.
What gives?
Robbie Keith no but in 8th edition if you roll a 1 while overcharging the model suffers a mortal wound. Killing the model outright
Adeptus Tacticus I don't think that is how mortal wounds work. They are not "mortal" in the sense of the old "instant death", just no saves allowed (FNP effects not withstanding)
James Kneser all plasma on troops say if they roll a 1 the model is slain, not that the model takes a mortal wound. There are exceptions for vehicles that state they take a number or mortal wounds instead but for troops it's pretty much always a "model is slain" result, characters as well.
Matt says "wounding on 2s." so they skipped the part where he rolled to hit. (You can see the 4 he rolled before) Weird cut, but no error.
Even if he rolled a 1 to hit, he had prescience on which gives him +1 to hit which makes the dice result a 2. He would have still missed, but the model wouldn't have died.
Thanks a lot for the video! I want to start the tabletop game and Salamanders are my favourite chapter!
the door in room is painted in a way that makes it look like a low resolution texture and it makes my brain hurt, and the way the boards on it are done accentuates it.
It`s becoming painfully apparent just how handy capped every army without a codex is going to be in the coming months ahead..
Starburst7641 bad players will make a new book look good. They guy pkaying chaos had a pretty average list, and made a few noob mistakes.
Besides, the MWG crew never get rules right, so theres a good chance they played this army wrong anyway.
While I agree with you on the points of the average list and MWG`s skills in getting the rules wrong, the fact remains that the codexes bring significant advantages over what is in the indexes - strategems, chapter tactics, wargear, psychic powers etc.
GW has promised a pretty fast release schedule, so hopefully other armies will get their special bonuses pretty soon too (I know chaos will be out by the end of august).
luckily most armies will have theirs within a year
Remember grenades are only 6 inch range and melta bombs are 4 inches. Just like how you can't fire flamers on overwatch if the charge distance is over 8 inches. Its stupid but its RAW.
Mark Wang to be fair though you overwatch before the charge roll technically. If the unit you hit with overwatch fails their charge then they don't move. So how could you get a hit with such a short ranged weapon when the enemy is clearly outside of that range. Weird, yes. However I kind of get it.
Mark Wang abstract thoughts, the game is happening in real time. I'd imagine a failed charge could mean the incoming fire threw off the charging unit, a wall of fire chased them back, etc etc
Well I know how they explain what a failed charge means (getting thrown back by overwatch, fear, and other factors etc). I'm just saying its silly you can't fire a flamer on overwatch because they'd obviously have to come within 8 inches to get into cc because range actually matters for overwatch now. In 7th it was just d3 autohits regardless of range. Like you'd think of all times you'd be able to fire the flamer, it would be when getting charged in close quarters. Aw well. Mb they'll faq it.
Mark Wang Where does it say that in the rules? I want to know so I can reference it.
Mat, Leutenants don't grant you rolls of wounds, only captains grant u that ability.
I'd love to see a Space Wolves 8e battle report from you guys! Not sure if you already made one and I missed it, but yeah.
Matt likes to forget the rules when it works in his favor.
A smite roll of 10+ is D6 mortal wounds, not D3. The rhino lost 5 wounds, not 3.
when chargin, if the unit fails arent they supposed to move the distence they rolled?
And taking turns during cc phase, isnt it all the charging units who goes first before you switch turns to do attacks?
when you're rerolling things like 4x lascannons remember that you have to resolve weapons one at a time, so when you roll a bunch of shots at once, and then roll a 2+ to see which you want to re-roll to hit with you're cheating, albeit very slightly
Not really. I would have just rerolled the first 1, and rerolled the first fail. Same odds.
Hey, I love these vids, really informative and fun to watch - So much so I’ve signed up to your main site. I do have a question about growing my army:
Being a returning player (last playing with the third edition) I’m a bit overwhelmed with all the new SM units. I’ve started playing salamanders again and at the moment my army is;
A captain in Term Armour, 2x 5 man tac squads (missile launcher, flamer and a Sgt with a plasPist + PWR sword, a 5 man sniper squad with INV cloaks and a Ven Dred with an assault canon, combat arm and a heavy flamer.
I know I need another cheapish HQ, maybe another Scout squad - for objectives but being salamanders something that takes advantage of re-rolls and flam / Melta based weapons could be fun?
This is just shy of 500 pts and I’m looking to grow it to around 800 - I would really love some advice RE growing my army - keeping it kind of Balanced (maybe tipping to more shooty but still being able to defend against hoards/ deep striking opponents.) Any advice would be amazing - please keep making these videos :)
Dude that sorcerer looks so good...
Imagine being rich enough to buy a Landraider, and then turning it into a burnt out set piece
Bike characters aren't gone, they're still in the Index, they just aren't in the Codex. Games Workshop stated in one of their articles that some units wouldn't get re-printed in the Codex, such as Legion of the Damned and the Imperial Space Marine. Guess bike Librarian/Chaplain/etc are staying Index only.
Wrong video
True, but when you read the FAQ it feels more like they said "Use the Index for the army until the Codex comes out." I can see it argued either way, so we just decided to go with just what's in the codex until an FAQ clarifies.
seems crazy that white scars can't have biker characters, if Ravenwing end up being the only army that can take biker characters there will be blood in the streets.
miniwargaming FAQ quote says "There are a few options in the indexes for some characters and vehicles that are no longer represented in the Citadel range - certain Dreadnought weapons that don't come in the box, or some characters on bikes, for example.
Don't worry though, you can still use all of these in your games if you have these older models. In these instances, use the data sheet from the index, and the most recent points published for that model and its weapons.
They still gain all the army wide-bonuses for things like Chapter Tactics and can use Space Marines Stratagems and the like, so such venerable heroes still fit right in with the rest of your army."
Each Roll is independent both rolls are 1/6 chance of seizing the initiative
One's tactics won't work if you forget to use them. I'm talking to you Devastators.
Into the fires of battle, unto the Anvil of War!
Is it too much to ask to see bezerkers doing something other then dying from the get go
: '(
bezerkers are awesome this ed, you just shouldn't take 1 squad then rambo them up the board deep into enemy lines unsupported
GullwingYunie I been running world eaters since 8th came out with bezerkers and kharn
Hump Debump I don't think so my world eaters list has only lost twice in 10 games one my first time playing 8th not giving them rhinos to ride in and second was against a storm shield cheese list (he was tired of losing against me) so I did agree gunlines were key in 7th but I think it's much more even in 8th
I mean, by dying, blood flowed.
I run a mix of deathguard and worldeaters, nice big units of pox walkers with typhus running forward and bezerkers to crash past whats left all supported by a waay overcosted but so damn cool lord of skulls, its been doing much better in 8th than it ever did in 7th, it was never designed to be a competitive list its more funsie but its won more matches than its lost so far
Matt always seems like he feels bad when his opponent botches a roll.
I like a game where cool stuff happens, so when my opponent can do something cool but misses, I'm sad. :(
would you guys consider playing power level and just use the models wysiwyg?
Didn't the Sorcerer die when it rolled a 1 for it's overcharged plasma pistol?
rekt
No it only looses a wound which they forgot to do so it lived longer than it should.
Oliver Tunnah Pretty sure gets hot doesn't cause it would-be it outright slays the bearer.
No models are outright slain if they roll a 1, regardless of how many wounds. Proof that this is true would be the Leman Russ. It has a rule called emergency plasma vents, it states that on a roll of 1 while over charging plasma, it suffers 6 mortal wounds instead of being of being automatically destroyed. So unless the sorcerer has a similar rule, it dies instantly regardless if the model has multiple wounds.
Most Infantry that have the ability to supercharge plasma state some variation of "On a Hit Roll of 1, the bearer is Slain." That line comes straight off the entry for Chaos Sorcerers.
At 1:10:00 Vulkan has a 3+ invulnerable, although it didn't matter but for next time
That sorcerer should have been slain when he rolled that 1
Hey, Matt, you forgot to remove a Hellblaster when they shot the Daemon Prince ;)
Great battle report as always! Where are those sick metal objective markers from?
Did you guys forget the Self Repair special rule on all those damaged Rhinos?
You bet!
57:20 You used Smite on the Rhino and Rolled 10. This should have made it D6 wounds doing 5 instead of three I think.
Pyro_Renny it says over 10 not 10 and above so you need an 11. Unless you are a rubric marine sorcerer then you need a 10 to do baby smite d3. I know it's weird.
I just stumbled on this the other day...but I'm pretty sure you have to spend 2 command points to discard an objective. Unless that's just an extra discard and I'm reading it wrong, which could absolutely be the case
Great game as usual despite the camera problems.
Space Wolves next please. Also awesome Battle Report love it. :D :D
finally they got their codex!
Wow, you lost like a quarter of the army to a kamikaze Rhino
Instant apotheosis for that driver :D
With the free 1 die re-roll for the Salamanders (and the occasional to-wound) per unit, any idea how many command points that would have taken over the course of the game?
Afngary Ham lots
A LOT! I probably rerolled 5-10 times PER TURN, so that's a lot of command points.
What color did you use for the "mud" on the Rhinos? it looks very nice
To bad that the salamanders army didnt max its chapter benefits like taking smaller squads etc etc.
50:05
Doesnt vulkan allow to reroll flamer hits as well as wounds?
Vulkan model looks too small near the primaria lieutenants :(
great Video, getting back into the game after 15 years, what main color did you use on the Salamanders? (green) love it must get it, thanks
That was great, thanks guys!
A phyrexian tatto? Fire him, he is an agent of the praetors.
Love how tactical matt is, why can't qwerk be like this?
Great game. Actually watched the whole thing.
I gotta ask, how did you paint your Chaos Predator? Love that shade of black!
I found the name for my new Chapter. "Bolter Schmucks"
Doesn't the Daemon Prince allow the chaos space marines re-roll "1"'s to hit? @38:00 min mark I think he was close enough to provide that bonus. But again he could be out of range and I couldn't tell.
Yup, we forgot that.
Chaod play should have been rerolling 1's to hit with the daemon prince near by
Vulkan is NOT the Chapter Master of the Salamanders. He never has been
He's the Forgefather (captain equivalent), the guy who goes out looking for all Vulcan's artifacts that he left. That is NOT Chapter Master.
Standard Lieutenants also let you re-roll to wound, and are dirt cheap. Better than the Primaris Version.
You have illegal setups on your Tactical Squads. You can't have 2 special weapons. 1 Special and 1 Heavy.
He stated that the melta guns were proxied for multi-meltas, which are heavy weapons. So the tactical squads are definitely legal
INTO THE FIRES OF BATTLE, UNTO THE ANVIL OF WAR
at 27:00 you could just have not killed that squad. Then you would killed it with moral and would have achieved your objective more easily. Or luka spends 2 command points. Both worth it.
Where do you guys get your battlemats from? Are they the mouse mat material?
Do the Chaos Marines have their legion equivalents? IE begin able to field Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Emperors Children, etc, with some rules relating to them? If not will they be getting one?
Vespire Tharr chaos codex should be out within the next month or 2
Hi guys, i really like your salamander painting. I plan to paint Salamanders too. Do you know any paint guide i could use?
Warhammer TV, the official GW painting tutorial channel, have multiple tutorial videos for them, one of which came out not too long ago so should be easy to find.
At 57ish minutes you smited with a warp charge 10, so that's d6 mortal wounds instead of d3 isn't it? Please correct me if I'm wrong
The rule reads "More than 10," so it has to be an 11 or 12 (where the model is not slain from the resulting Perils of the Warp) to get D6.
The mark of Dave devestator what was his weapon on model(out of interest)
Explain how seizing the initiative is part of the 6 Battle Round Phases in match play?
PG 176, footer pg 215
read faq
Thank you for your effort. Yet FAQ, Designer's Commentary, or Stepping into a New Edition states nothing that Command Re-Roll can be used before the battle begins. This is my argument. First movement phase is when the battle begins.
Thanks. Will take a look at it if its a free post.
Where I am hung up on the footer "Matched Play Mission Rules" on page 215 paragraph "Strategic Discipline" where it states stratagems are only used in the phases. Unless noted to do so otherwise on the stratagem. Determining "First Turn" is not a phase defined as on page 176. "Each turn consists of a series of phases...."
True pg 242 states that stratagems can be used before game. That I do not dispute. Though all the stratagems GW provided so far. They are all consistent in telling the player when the stratagem can be used. "Use this Stratagem at X moment, Provided you have..., Select an enemy unit. For duration of...." Since Command Re-roll does not state when it can be used. In Match Play, Strategic Discipline defines when Command Re-roll stratagem can be used.
I do thank you for for your correspondence and will stop spamming the post.
At 1:10:00 Vulcan has a 3+ invunrable
where in the codex does it give space marines the new objective secured?
Edit: You also deploy your rhino's already loaded with troops...I can't find anything in the rules to dictate how transports work on deployment. I assumed you needed to assign the transport and the units (plural) within them separately. Are there any rules that clarify this?
Heh: SM have 2 wounds? CSM dont? Ballance powa!!
Evžen Kindermann Primaris marines vs standard marines. Where have you been?
And what about Primaris marines fallen to Chaos? Hm?
Evžen Kindermann there aren't any. (Yet)
Wtf was Luka doing? I can see why he normally just camps his deployment zone for most of the game with his Necrons. Strange tactical decisions.
On the taking named characters, in the first Imperial Index, in the introductions to the Blood Angels (p. 89) and the Dark Angels (p. 107) it says in the sidebar on the bottom right that you can't take named characters with any successor chapters :( not sure whether/how this would apply to other SM chapters
Gungnir
Just give your successor chapter the blood angels keyword, for rules purposes they are now blood angels but you can call them the pizza warriors for all I care and paint them in Italian colours.
Yeah, that's what I've done - thought that people might want to know where the rules are :)
Gungnir
No that rule is just a bully rule, it serves to other purpose than humiliating succesor chapters and discouriging people from being creative.
Gungnir
It says no wjere in the rules that your paint jpb has to be accurate or that you have to call your chapter the same as their keyword. So no one is able to deny your succesor chapter their characters, just remember that.
Hey man I'm on your side here, I'm just pointing it out for people who might want to be aware of it. It's your prerogative to judge whether or not you want to use certain rules, or how you want to interpret them, but I have - and I'm sure you have - run into loads of people who will interpret rules specifically for their own advantage - best thing is to be aware of it beforehand and choose whether you want to contest that or not at a tourney or games day :)
You should have burned a command point throwing that objective on game start.
41:13 Matt over watches twice with the same unit?! Have I missed sumin?
In the new edition you can keep over-watching everyone who charges you until someone finally succeeds the charge and locks you in combat.
Andrew Kerr ahhh alright, thanks for the info, only played 2 games 8th edition, will have to implement that
Thanks for sharing.
Anyone else think that combat seems a bit worse? You can get to combat easier now which was the big problem with the last couple of editions but when you're there, unless your packing some punch then not many seem to die. I think if they would of gave ccw an ap it would go some way to mitigating that problem. At the minute shooting is great and as a tactic the assault phase is good I'm more concerned with the damage output, close combats seem a bit more indecisive now without sweeping advance, or is it just me?
Where has Dave been!? Missing him in bat reps
Yass! I need my Dave-fix too..
Working on another movie, I gess.
Dev sergeants can shoot and give +1 to 1 shooting