Wrong to call benefits a "lifestyle choice"? Feat. Ali Miraj & Marina Purkiss | Jeremy Vine
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- Rishi Sunak has said he is on a 'moral mission' to tackle so-called 'sick note culture' and get people with conditions like anxiety and depression back to work.
He vowed that benefits would remain a 'safety net' for those who genuinely need it.
But he argued the 'growing trend' of people being signed off when they may be medically fit to work was 'economically 'unstable' and 'creating a deep sense of unfairness'.
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The tory way - make the poor hate the poorer so they dont make a fuss about the tories filling up their offshore bank accounts 🙄
Well said
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Truth!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Go after the tax dodgers you'd get more money outta them
Go after those who can't be arsed working.
What you mean the Tory cronies the ones they gave PE contracts to worth £81 million, a month later £122 or the £200m Baroness Mone got for unusable equipment these are the entailed rich that play the system or the likes of Rees Mogg who gets paid to sleep in parliament. Oh no easier to go after the disabled less advantaged and call them scroungers .There will inevitably be some who milk the system but it is up to a medically trained doctor to decide this not a go on a witch hunt with benefit advisors this is madness.
Force them to work or make their tougher @@peterholden3672
@@keirmitchell5560 Landlords and the wealthy?
they are going after the disabled not workshy
It all comes down to the fact we just aren’t a caring society.
society cares. The Tory party doesn't!
@@leeeastwood6368 Society keeps voting for them so it comes down to the same thing - they don’t care.
The Tory's do care, only about their rich Pals.
What utter bs the UK is far too compassionate and as someone coming from Africa you people come across as a total pushover!
Typical, when all else fails, lets go after the most vulnerable in society. Mental health is complex and if GP's will no longer be able to sign people off then I truly hope that those who do are qualified. As a retired Counsellor/Psychologist I have noticed that there are very few services for those with mental health illness. The services that are available have extremely long waiting lists. Investment in these services is crucial and yet for years they have been underfunded. Performative cruelty from this government will not win votes, certainly not mine.
They don't get a hundred quid a week more if they work, they're lucky to get a hundred quid a month more if they're lucky and most of what they earn is taken out for rent and council tax so the incentive just isn't there, Marina is right on that point
Well get a 2nd job then like i did for 10 years.
@@britsfirstfitness5026 I've got two jobs but unless you can get the same days every week in your main job its very hard to do two jobs. My main job won't give me the same days every week and give my monthly rota for the next month really late each month so I can't take work from the agency I'm with until I know which days I will be off in my main job. It's easy saying get a second job, not always so easy doing it
@@britsfirstfitness5026 Dumbest reply so far, do the math with a 2nd job once you lose the tax free income and calculate for higher tax brackets, if you knew what you were talking about for this year (2024) then you'd know it isn't sustainable unless you are earning 35k+ each job. Typical boomers thinking everyone else can just work more hours and earn a house, car and pension. Yawn 😴😂😂
@@TheLukeLambertDon't lump all boomers together, I'm 69 and can see how difficult it is today for people.
Lot of people might even commit suicide, it's shocking, this is horrendous, a living nightmare. Go Sunak Go, Go Sunak Go, Go Sunak Go.
My 19 year old son didn't ask to have Aspergers syndrome adhd
Social phobia extreme anxitry disorder low moods with no confidence and sleep problem I don't wish that on no one
There isn't the support services socially to get them back into work
My son has meltdown due to bright lights loud sounds crowds could cause him to hurt himself and smash things up no employer will keep him on he would be likely arrested and locked up in some place
Which I've been trying to avoid don't want to lost my only child
Me and my husband work I can only do so many hours because of my sons needs
Excuses stop being lazy put your kid into care he's obviously causing you unnecessary baggage in life
Work coaches don't help you find a job tho.
They just ask what have you been doing to look for work🙄.
Exactly. In the past I’ve had to sign on in between jobs. Nothing more than a few weeks
I’ll say the the many jobs I’ve had in my life not one came from the job centre.
No you're just too lazy and bone idle to get off your backside to pay your way. Stop being a sponger
They ask you the same questions every 2 weeks
They are just cunts on 30k per year
He’s on a mission to bury the party for a while 😂
What Marina is saying is what was being said 30 years ago that people with mental health problems shouldn't be pushed into work and will be terrified at the prospect of losing their benefits and the government of the day were saying they were going to tackle it and would end the benefits culture and here we are again 30 years later with the same old conversation
A lifestyle choice on £10 a day?? Really??
£10 a day who are you trying to kid they get a hell of a lot more than that or else it’s the fairies who pay for their big fancy cars their takeaway meals 7 nights a week their Amazon deliveries their big massive telly’s their top of the range garden furniture open your eyes most of them are milking the system for what it’s worth AND working on the side into the bargain
@@b85382 So you tell me what UC works out to then a day?
I know cos I've been on it.
Young universal credit claimants have a life apparently on that.
If you want to go after those milking the system go after the politicians and ultra rich.
@@b85382 what kind of benefits they are claiming these people 🧐? I can't make end meets with my austic child his DLA pay and carer allowance which 240 with cost of life. Only if they are Working cash and hand .I would happily go back to my work 60 hrs a week if they going to look after my austic child .
@@b85382 Your brain has been washed with right-wing propaganda.
@@b85382 You’re the one living in cloud cuckoo land. All the sick people I know are struggling to survive and don’t have enough money for all the stuff you are talking about. Many of them tried their best to get back to work and some ended up much sicker due to putting their health on the line to keep working.
The Tories made them sick with financial worries. Now they want them help less and homeless. Get them out !!!
If they’re going after the people with mental illness they also need to go after the employers to make adjustments to allow such people to work. The truth is most employers will find some excuse to get rid of people with mental illness. If people are forced into destitution with mental illness their mental health will deteriorate and they’ll be an epidemic of people in crisis, the nhs will be overwhelmed and there will be mass suicides.
Excellent comment 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Also if you have too much sicness off three strikes and your out!
@@kristinamasters1663 so if you’ve worked for an employer for 30 years without a days sick then you get cancer and have to be off work you get 3 strikes and out? That’s ridiculous. My employer gives me a day of sickness for every 3 weeks I work. That means I accumulate it and if I need to take a month off or even a year because of illness I can. It should be an entitlement that’s earned in the same way you earn a salary.
@@lightweightben Also, severe illnesses like cancer, multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease , schizophrenia, severe depression/anxiety etc should be protected from the general HR process under a “duty of care” for permanent employees as per the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 and the later act of 2010
Yes but employers say they will then dont.
Some health conditions take so long to be diagnosed and treated and support is next to none. I waited 5 years for an appointment to be told yer your probably have endometriosis and need surgery because a scan from 5 years ago showed actually your ovaries, bowl and bladder are essentially stuck together. I've already been waiting 8 months for what they have said is urgent surgery. I'm in pain everyday, can't go to the toilet properly ect ect , not entitled to help because so have to work despite being so exhausted from being in pain all the time that I can nearly function. The system is screwed people can't get the support to manage there health and are then knocked down by being told they have to work despite being unwell
Sunak! Is talking out of his arse as usual!
THERE GOES FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Lets talk about the 3 million people who are working full time and still need benefits
So the woman who is able to work and claim she has postnatal depression..She probably has a mild feeling of depression..Serious clinical depression is NOT the same The last thing a seriously clinically depressed person. Wants is extra pressure ,and meet people ..They want to try and get through a day..Anxiety isn't just feeling a little worried ,it takes over the sufferers day,panic attacks etc ..Sunak doesn't have a clue ..He ended work assessments..to rely on pip assessments..He's now corrupting the whole system Taking a tablet doesnt stop the mental anguish.Medication has side effects...After a year if claims are stopped ..People are not talking about the 3 months before they can claim again,if they've not found work ..In that time they have probably lost their homes ,in Serious debt because council tax etc doesn't stop threatening ..What about their children ??Sunak needs to go he spent millions on things he feels fit
Go after the billionaires like the Duke of Westminster who pay no tax. There should be a wealth tax on the wealthiest
I like that quote Marina, spot on.
Once apon a time we had jobs for the sick and disabled, but the sickening tory government closed all the factory,s down, it was called remploy
I have Boarderline personality disorder, chronic anxiety disorder, major depression, suicidal thoughts and history of multiple suicide attempts, self harm, kidney failure, ibs and sciatica I've been sectioned 3 times and have been told by my NHS mental health psychiatrist I won't be discharged as I have a life time condition, what does Rishi think I can do and what employers will take me on or have the insurance to take me on when each day is different and I can't say if I'm going to be able to get out of bed let alone speak to customers or clients
This ex teacher woman who keeps phoning in would do a good job in a call centre or from home, she's no problem phoning and talking to the show time after time...
your point is?
@@londo776 that there is a job for her.
Theres loads of people scamming the system
Yes and on the days she can't, the employer should be forced to pay her too, then it's their own fault if they're not as productive as the competition.
@@alfsmith4936 in countries with unfavorable benefit system's they have significantly lower mental health cases, funny that..
So what happens after 12 months? They get thrown out on the street?
After 12 months they turn into criminals if they want to eat and prisoners if they want accommodation when they can’t pay rent.
@@jamesduncan6415Correct that’s whats happening in America and many elderly pensioners are living in their cars because they can’t afford the cost of renting a home. Some middle class workers have lost everything because the big corporations that they worked for are moving to Mexico where they can get cheap labour. Many middle class people are now living in tents. Is this Sunaks plan for the the UK?
And then get arrested for being homeless
I did talking therapy I lost my mother on oct 2020 I didn't get help until sept 2023 where I suffered severe depression and extreme anxiety I tried going to work due to my sickness I lost my job because one wants to take on anyone with mental disabilities
I now work a zero hour contract I work when I'm able because I also have to look after my son with autism and mental health
I asked for help and was refused which put me in this position
Absolute laziness using mental health because you can't be bothered to pay your way in life
The woman said shes a foreigner thats one job someone could have
6:59! Is it me but if someone is suffering from depression and or anxiety I'm sure the last thing they would try to scam the welfare system 😢
It would seem to be adding more stress and anxiety to their life. 🤷♀️
What about the illegals?
The UK needs a kick up the backside with regards to mental health. It’s disgusting the way they treat people. We’re human beings for goodness sakes. People are often victims of circumstances.
I found the work coaches did not help they just bullied me to get me off their books
TORIES ONLY SAYING THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW EVERYONE CANT COMPLAIN
Rishi sunak MUST resign now.
Yes as there are more people then jobs. So even if you gave a job everyone there is a surplus unemployed not through choice. Jobs depend on your area and afulance area so this is an unfair advantage. This is why illegal immigration is killing jobs too as unskilled workers to jobs are on the rise.
Or the British are just lazy and unwilling to work
The Tories are finished.
I know someone who is struggling, been asking the GP for help to get counselling for nearly 5 years.They have been referred, but keep being rejected. Waiting list too long.
Some people have no choice, because work DOES NOT cover all the bills The high cost of rents and the rising cost of living is plunging millions into severe depression. People are having to wait years to see a councillor. People are desperate to keep a roof over their heads. We need to build more Social Housing because right now people can’t afford high cost of rents on the minimum wage.Then to add insult to injury many have to go to the DWP to beg for a top up to just about survive. That’s wrong. Our infrastructures are crumbling. Then we have to listen to the Government saying that the sick are putting a strain on the economy. What a cheek this Government has when they are throwing Billions at taking care of Migrants and giving Billions to countries at War. This CRUEL CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT HAS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY ALONG WITH THE BANK OF ENGLAND BY OVER PRINTING MONEY WE ARE NO LONGER AMONG THE RICHEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD! WE ARE TRILLIONS IN DEBT.
Incredible really. When there is around £75billion too much£150billion a year in tax invasion, tax avoidance, nondom status and much more.
It would be far better to go after the monies from big corporations and individuals than it would be to go after a the odd benefit cheat.
Also the biggest benefit paid is housing benefit too private landlords.
Which is duo too stupidly high house prices.
Who'd fund the Tory party if they went after tax dodgers, however?
Sometimes yeah being on benefits IS a lifestyle choice, literally because they are better off financially, but being disabled bloody well isn't !!!! Being disabled is a curse we didn't ask for!!!
A clear difference between those who read about benefit claimants, and those who actually claim benefits. Those who believe right wing propaganda, and those who have experienced reality.
The Murdoch Press readers need to watch I Daniel Blake.
Increasing the minimum wage can indeed be a motivating factor for people to choose work over relying on benefits. When individuals earn a higher wage, they may feel more financially secure, valued for their work, and motivated to seek employment opportunities.
Another problem not touched on is after getting a job as a disabled person you can be discriminated against even tho your capable of doing a job your told in a passive way they need someone better to do that job by managers and your colleagues agreeing with them and passed over all the time so you stay in a menial job. Not good for mental health. I was told by a colleague 'why dont you go home and let a normal person have a job'.
The cost of living is not condusive for low wages to work
Yes he is right.
Tit
that caller is clueless she has never been on benefits it is not as she says she is so detached
Well done David. 👏 all you people lets pray you dont end up with bad health. Xx
IF MARIANA IS SPENDING HALF HER SALARY ON CHILDCARE THATS SILLY
Did Storm not have some pearl of ill informed wisdom to add ?
VINE LET PEOPLE SPEAK.
I dont think the army would recruit someone if they knew they had a mental illness b4 hand ,sounds suspicious to me
if you do not take this rock climbing job we will stop your benefits we do not care if you have no legs and arms
IT DOESNT HELP YOUR MENTAL HEALTH! lol
back to the 80s!
The workplace needs to be more compassionate, offer adjustments instead of the most vulnerable having to fight for them
…. Fix the damn employment environment instead of pushing vulnerable people into situations they cannot cope with, people will end up destitute and we will see worsening MH and su1c-ide rates.
Employment is NOT inclusive! The “disability confident” badge is performative BS!!!!
How much is this private company cost
The last caller doesn't seem to want to try anything, PTSD, anxiety and depression, over what, and that is it, he is going to stay that way for the rest of his life!!
I think people struggle with people like that, it is hard to prove or disprove, especially when they say that is it, going to be like it forever, cannot do anything at all, those will be the ones targeted i believe!!
You have to admit it seems quite unbelievable!!
It seems that the lifestyle choosers will continue to get it easy, however, those who have paid in to the system for years that now require some help, it is made rather difficult to near on impossible to sort out. This is rubbish, we need to sort out the real lazies from those who really need it.
there needs to be a rule, no party can introduce major new policy changes during an election year
Some people don't want to work full stop..we can all say mental health. Depression.....I
Yeah, this isn't a debate about the monarchy, however.
Germany 5.5 million on the dol France 2.5 million Italy 1.200 millions
Silly argument if an able bodied/mentally stable person that should be targeted . Yes they will be in low paid jobs but if they earn,t two thirds of the money themselves and UC topped them up it would still save the tax payer money. I don’t remember him saying disabled he is talking about those who can work but want stop making this out to be an attack on the disabled
Then why did Sunak talk about "sicknote Britain."
I spent hours making a very long and detailed report to the relevant government department about someone who claims the top rates of benefits and PIP as "anxiety" makes him unable to work, and yet is constantly posting photos of himself on social media taking holidays across several continents (and staying in good hotels, I might add). My point is, if he is so anxious that he cannot work why would he choose to jet across the world multiple times? The taxpayer should not be funding international hoildays! I sent many screenshots of his posts and photos of his many holidays. Like, 3 or 4 a year, to America, Australia, Africa - not cheap and not an easy flight for genuine sufferers of anxiety. They did absolutely nothing. Total waste of time.
Backstabbing snitch which makes you non trustworthy to be around.who knows to what level of causing trouble you will stop to
It is a lifesyle choice too many spongers who could work wont work. I suffer from anxiety and depression but did NOT use this as an excuse not to work
Isobel you don’t have a clue about the genuine people who need pip for their every day challenges she shouldn’t be on this show makes all about her and the spoil brat who has all the money in the world looking down on people who are not as fortunate
He is not talking about sick people! He is talking about those who seem to be workshy! And for some it is a lifestyle choice!
You have not got a clue have you. Did you not hear marina talk about Stephen who died because he was forced back to work when very ill? Their fake doctors don't care, they are doing what the government want. This is not about workshy. This is punishing the disabled!!
More like Hobson's choice for some people.
GPS point blank shouldn't sign off people on long term mental health issues. They aren't specialists
I agree with sunak policy here.
Many patients iv seen signed of by GPS for minor inconveniences, only to find out after a comprehensive assessment that it's nothing. Person fit to work
Marina Purkiss is a joke.
It is massively i know loads in my local village that don't want to work but are very able to work. No one loves work but we have to do it to keep our families and get ahead in life
BY THE WAY I HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE MY G.P.
Oh look as i sit here exercising on my static bike after 10 hour day one of the biggest scivers has just passed my window 😂
Leave your kids alone! It's not their fault their old man cares more about his Peloton, is it?