Considering what has recently happened, there indeed is a clear problem with some of dreamworks recent decisions no matter how inconsistent they may be.
I'd say we're in the "ok" part of the cycle. But if the upcoming 'The Wild Robot' ends up being trash, we're gonna enter the "It's so over" part of the cycle.
@@user-bi5um2sf8o i feel like we're already on the its so over. the megamind film was complete garbage. kgf4 was meh at best. the rest were forgotten. If they dont up their game i dont see them recovering unscathed
Megamind 2 is geniunely one of the worst and most disrespectful movies I have ever seen, it's like Belle's Magical world, but Belle's magical world at least had the OG voice cast, meanwhile this doesn't even have that going for it, the animation looks like it was done in the early 2000's and the little girl is such an annoying self insert
Megamind 2 shouldn’t even be in the same category as all the other Dreamworks films, as it’s just a glorified pilot to a shitty show, not a high-budget proper film Trollhunters Rise of the Titans (which is also a shitty movie because it ruins the amazing series) is more of a movie than Megamind 2 is, but that isn’t ever bought up in Dreamworks film discussion so Megamind 2 shouldn’t be treated as a proper feature film either.
People seriously need to stop viewing DreamWorks as the second coming because of just one really good movie last year. They're no different to Disney and we all know that more than we want to admit it.
Oki I’m happy someone said it Every company have there Ws but the same company will also have Ls Like illuminations studio was judged for making dumb minion movies them they made the Mario movie yet even then I never heard THIS IS FANTASTIC GLORIOUS ITS A NEW AGE AND ALL FUTURE MOVIES WILL BE TOP TIER theres good theres bad end of story (though illuminations dissing on AI is a huge W ngl)
All those edgy DreamWorks simps who were like "Disney 🏳️🌈 vs DreamWorks 🗿” would literally only compare Puss in Boots 2 and not any of their bad movies 🤦
@@SpriteCranberryReal And it’s funny because someone could have done the same, bumping up Disney by saying “Encanto/Luca vs Boss Baby 2” back when those came out
@@Dora-xi5obthis happened to Glitch productions after they made Digital Circus. It’s like a curse, any time someone sees a studio’s media as a better thing than Disney, the studio starts to go down hill
It’s funny how 2 years ago when The Bad Guys and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish many people on the internet were saying DreamWorks was making a comeback after having a string of average animated films like the Trolls films, The Boss Baby films and Spirit: Untamed and using it as an excuse to hate on Disney and Pixar’s then-recent animated films at the time like Turning Red and Strange World. And now, I kid you not, there’s a video released in hindsight of Kung Fu Panda 4’s release discussing how DreamWorks is now “going downhill”. It really sure shows how many narrow-minded people on the internet will just automatically jump to the conclusion that a studio is returning back to its successful heights as in the old years from just 2 frigging films without considering the overall possible critical and financial outcome of the films following after Puss in Boots: The Last Wish.
I also kinda find it ironic and funny that the animation community bashed the thin line animation style in "Turning Red", yet praised The Bad Guys' thin line animation style, and some of them went around bashing Ruby Gillman's thin line animation style. Believe me, I have documented all of the drama behind this (except I can't show clips in my videos.).
this stuff is why I personally don't like talking about movies with people who are terminally online. people are so disconnected from reality that they jump to whatever extreme end is popular at the time instead of thinking critically about things.
The thing is it did seem like the studio was getting better. Genuinely two really good artistic movies in one year showed a good direction for the company though they instantly squandered any gained rep. Like it isn't weird to expect better from a company because they make two well balanced stylized films in a year, those films take at least a couple of years to be shaped. It shows there was some sort of action going on but of course it just ended up being a lucky fluke. And no one would expect for it to be even worse (unless you are incredibly cynical all the time) as they fire a large part of their animation team and move onto out sourcing animation more. Thats just gross.
And yet, Turning Red easily can flip the bird to that piece of trash. Turning Red still managed to be remembered and liked on its own, while nobody wants to even remember Gillman.
The difference between Disney and DreamWorks is that people just straight up hate Disney today because they refuse to change, while people have a love hate relationship with DreamWorks because one day they’re making masterpieces the next day they’re making absolute crap.
Not necessarily. Disney is still putting out the occasional banger, much like Dreamworks. I think Last Wish and Encanto are good examples of that. I personally see both companies as relatively equal in quality.
I always wished DW made more epic musicals like "The Prince of Egypt" or fairy tale parodies like "Shrek." As a disappointed Disney fan, I kinda need that RN.
@@snowberry8126 If I recall correctly, the box office bomb of "Sinbad" (which I really wish Disney had kept) was attributed to it not being CGI (well, not fully; it had CGI moments). I think the 2000s/2010s was the ideal time for CGI; now it should be more balanced--though TBF, 3D has only gotten the spotlight for 2 full decades in contrast to the almost century of 2D.
@@OpticalSorcereryeah I have heard that. Still I hope studiuos will eventually make a 2d return just for some appreciation for the artform. At least I can take comfort for the fact that the Boy and the heron. A handrawn film won the Oscar.
Same, Road To El Dorado, Spirit, Sinbad and The Prince Of Egypt have absolutely gorgeous animation, while Dreamworks still has wonderful animation to this day and does indeed experiment with 2D at times I wish they could make way more traditionally hand drawn movies in that style they use to do for their 2d movies. @@snowberry8126
@@snowberry8126 I think 2D will make a nostalgia-driven comeback. TBATH is also the first PG-13 film to win "Best Animated Film." Hopefully both things have an influence with major American animated companies.
Dreamworks doesn’t have a problem. They’ve operated on inconsistency since day one. Hell, just look at their first few moves. They started off with Antz, which was a spite project, then The Prince Of Egypt, then Spirit, Then The Road To El Dorado, then Shrek, then Shark Tale (I missed a few but you get the point).
It is a problem tho. Why does it seem they keep going for that inconsistency? Do we really need a sequel to boss baby? Does trolls really deserve a trilogy? Those are the real questions…
Yeah, their movie quality is inconsistent, but I would be hard pressed to call it “terrible.” They have their great movies, then they have a bunch of okay to good movies that are still entertaining. Like, I love How to Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda, and Shrek has a special place in my heart, but I also like Trolls, The Croods, and most of their 2D stuff. One can like a variety of things for different reasons. HTTYD, RotG, and The Croods are three films I cite as having the most significance to me, where movies like Shrek and Trolls are my go to when I want to relax with a cup of tea/milk at the end of the day. I really wish people would stop demanding every movie be some grand, epic thing that tackles deep themes, and simply enjoy some movies as relaxing entertainment.
They carried, and the thing that stayed with most people was their villain song which they compared to Disney’s Wish (which isn’t even a valid comparison since Trolls was a cover)
Maybe at first, but I’m seeing more focus on the Brozone brothers and Viva with the fan stories I’ve come across. Set against the backdrop of being eaten by Bergens, abandonment issues, typical family dramas, and worrying about hiding out to avoid old enemies, it creates some great head cannons and stories.
I don’t think people realize Dreamworks has always been like this. They’ll release ONE amazing film after a string or row of mediocre films. The only time that wasn’t really the case was with How To Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda 2, and Megamind in the span of 1-2 years. Now, what I will say is that that ONE film they release can be something incredible and can be on par and can even surpass some of Disney’s best stuff. This cycle is indeed a problem tho, as Dreamworks could put all the work and talent into other films besides another Boss Baby or Trolls sequel…
Yeah their movie catalogue is kind of all over the place and has been since they started. But, it’s kind of fun for me in a way. I stopped looking up trailers for DreamWorks movie cause they caused me to miss out on stuff like HTTYD, RotG, and Megamind, so I end up going into a movie pretty blind for the most part. Very rarely have I been disappointed in a movie, while I do admit to finding some movies better than others. Overall though, I’m entertained and end up wanting to re-watch them when I have the chance, so I guess the movie did its job. I’m one of those people who enjoys meaningful movies, and someone who also enjoys sitting back and not think too much. Hence why DreamWorks is usually my go-to for movies cause they do end up having something I want to watch.
What you need to understand is that dreamworks makes billions from merch of these IPs. They only care about selling merchandise. That’s where the money is . Even if the box office does badly as long as they can milk tf out of it . Think about the movies as advertisements to sell toys , blankets, cups ETC. They dint care if kung fu panda was a good movie because they will make over a billion from Kung fu panda merch this year
I'd question the consistency of good movie-making regarding the HTTYD trilogy. The 3rd movie had a noticeable dip in writing quality to the point the plot moved the characters, not characters moving the plot, committing silly things, and being out of character (like Hiccup giving up on trying to teach people we can coexist with them completely when previous 2 movies proved it can be done). Suddenly, Dreamworks wanted to end things like in the books while the only thing that connected movies with them is the title and characters' names.
That would actually be sweet. Megamind learned to be a hero to the people of Metrocity, with a child, he could learn to be a hero in a more intimate level. You know, because of that thing that people say that a father is every child's superhero.
@@xdead_manx5506 Nah, Illumination's more of a consistent okay. DreamWorks is more characterized by having terrifying lows and dizzying highs at an inconsistent rate.
It also doesn’t help that Universal not only rushed Kung Fu Panda 4 (with the power of studio meddling and bad main director), but they’re also rushing The Wild Robot 3-5 weeks before their current TAG contract expires, in addition to laying off 40-50% of their employees to force DreamWorks to outsource all their future works. All in an effort to avoid having to pay for Animation Unions. (Oh how petty and greedy) We really thought Universal’s involvement was gonna end at lowering their budgets since 2020 (which was ultimately in their favor in 2022), but it sadly didn’t.
Kung Fu Panda 4 has a deep rabbit hole involving the co-director's concept and it's sad it didn't get accepted because a joke-y plot is better said the director of the film
I kind of wished KFP 3 had a more definitive ending to the series like HTTYD 3, such that they couldn't keep milking it for cash once its story was finished
@@EvokerInvokerble I heavily disagree, I think it has one of the best endings in any animated film. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't understand why people have such a problem with it.
Well we no longer have to worry about "their" animation problem as they're nuking their in-house animating staff for the most part after The Wild Robot. So now it's being worried about the animation they outsource to xd.
Dreamworks also seems to be pretty bad with marketing lately. Like with Puss In Boots 2, I never even saw a trailer for that. The first time I ever heard of it was when it was already out and people were talking about how good it was.
The only way I heard of it was through memes and reviews on Instagram and TH-cam after the U.S release. Living in the UK there are plenty of film adverts on buses, but I only saw one for PiB:TLW. Guess it just got out bid by Avatar 2.
To be fair, DreamWorks marketing has always kinda sucked. It’s one reason I think Rise of the Guardians had a tough theatrical run, and is what turned me off from a lot of their movies. Nowadays, I just ignore trailers and hop on the internet every now and then for movie release updates.
I think they, much like other studios, needs a leader who can encourage creativity while also keeping things on track. I don't quite want to say they should maintain the status quo (not on the creative end of things anyway), but these studios should have better standards than they do.
@josome7451 I'm not blaming the artists at all, what I'm saying is that studio needs an executive leader like Eisner was for Disney in the 80s. Someone who is capable of multitasking and overseeing things without wildly interfering in productions, who can pay attention to projects without micro managing everything.
so funny to see all the youtubers go from "Dreramworks can do no wrong, step it up animation industry" to this. This is exactly why you don't put your stakes into something after one good thing happens.
People in 2022 making videos: “Dreamworks is the leading animated studio now. Fuck Disney. Dreamworks is overtaking them.” People in 2024 making videos: “Oh wow we fuck up.” Don’t give me I’m not saying not saying Disney is having problems with both it’s animation studio and Pixar right now. But calling Dreamworks the new leading animated studio or Dreamworks overtaking them is so bizarre especially as someone who witnessed that content back in 2022. I mostly watch and thinking are they really overtaking Disney don’t give me Bad Guys and Puss in boots 2 are great animated movies as well as having new animation style. But still two years later this same studio who claim is overtaking Disney have produce Kung Fu Panda 4 and Megamind 2!
It's not that Dreamworks doesn't have great movies (Prince of Egypt, Road to El Dorado, Chicken Run, Curse of the Were Rabbit, Over the Hedge, Flushed Away, How to Train your Dragon, Megamind and the Captain Underpants Movie)- its more that they lack any sort of style with their movies, you cant just look at a film and tell its made by Dreamworks - Disney has an easily recognisable style while Dreamworks films look like they could have come from any studio. It doesn't help that almost all of their films post 2010, excluding the Kung Fu Panda and How To Train Your Dragon films have been pretty terrible.
You could kinda argue that they kinda do have a style, prince of Egypt, sinbad and road to el dorado do have a certain style to them that you can tell comes from the same studio, also shrek and megamind have that semi realistic cartoony style that dream works did in the 2000’s-2010’s
I wish more animation studios made movies like KFP and HTTYD. They're good becuase they tell serious stories with messages that resonate well with older audiences, they have sequels that are actually better than their first films, and they're not too overly reliant on comic relief. As far as 3d animation goes, they're definitely a step up from the "cal arts" style found in many films recently.
As a long time dreamworks fan I can confirm they produce movies that either hit or miss and although they miss most of the time when they hit they hit hard
This is why in 2022, when everybody was shting on Disney and saying Dreamworks was going back to its golden era because of The Last Wish, I wasn't buying it. Just cause one Dreamworks movie turned out great, doesn't mean it was gonna be the trend and a year and a half later, I was right. The Last Wish was a fluke.
Dreamworks is experimental in nature, so yeah they may animate different styles. The Wild Robot, an upcoming movie, uses the same style (children's illustration) as Puss In Boots The Last Wish
@@EvokerInvokerble yep, each team has different directions they work to. Its why the studio can make very different movies. When you consider you get 2 movies a year in the cinema and lots of TV shows, DreamWorks isn't a one team studio. If I recall, Pixar has 1-3 teams depending, basically half the number. The liited teams, however, means that for the most part? the same people ultimately are in control all the time. This is why their movies has consistancy. However, you can tell the newer movies may have a different team as they "look" and "feel" different to the older ones.
I know that Trolls movies aren't that popular, the first being entertaining but lacking a strong message, and the second having a strong message that had potential but was poorly executed and overshadowed by forced comedy. But I have to admit, I was suprised when I saw Trolls Band Together and thought it was actually good. In this movie they managed to balance both the message, which was much more grounded and relatable, and the comedy. The amount of adult jokes in this movie is HILARIOUS! The villians too, also hilarious! Of course it has its flaws, like its pacing and the need for more development for the new characters (no where near Puss in Boots TLW), but I still think that this was a small high for DreamWorks in this slump. I recommend it to someone who is looking for a comfort movie😄.
You would be surprised how popular Trolls is among some people. I consider myself a fan since the first movie, and think it’s been getting better as the years go on. I blame the bad trailers (as always with DreamWorks films) and people who just wanted to hate on them because “these movies look stupid” instead of acting watching them.
@@jendoe9436 True, the trailers are bad. Branch is my favorite DreamWorks character, which is why I stay glued to the films. I'm glad he finally got the focus he deserved. That, and Broppy shipping. Lol😂
@@carleeelders875 same! 😂 he’s such an entertaining character, and his interactions and relationship with Poppy are what I live for. The two are so weirdly cute together that I can’t help but root for them. 😅😁
Honestly this is kind of just how dream works always has been. They release great films and okay films whenever they feel like it. It’s just how they operate.
Which is better than Disney or Pixar can say. The last time either of them put out anything truly exceptional was probably Frozen and Toy Story 3, respectively.
I can't believe I'm saying this. But I miss Jeffrey Katzenberg. Sure, he made mistakes and alot of questionable decisions, but Dreamworks' quality control was much better when he was the CEO of the company.
@@AngelEmfrbl no wonder they’re having trouble and had massive layouffs without a severance package. Cheapskates will always be cheapskates who make bad decisions and then cut their employees off for quick gains
Bruh Katzenberg is not responsible for the good decisions made in movies. He threw a tantrum because he wanted "Part of Your World" removed from The Little Mermaid. Ask anyone in the industry, he nearly ruined the Disney Renaissance, he didn't drive it. He's also the one who singlehandedly destroyed The Black Cauldron, and he was championing Ruby Gillman. The man isn't the savior of animation you think he is.
@@WobblesandBean You know, can we as a community just like… stop worshipping businessmen and CEOs? That includes Walt Disney. The man got way more credit than he deserved because he stamped his name on the company, and tricked entire generations into associating him with their childhood nostalgia.
What we thought Dreamworks was going to do: Make movies with deep messages like the last wish with funny jokes What Dreamworks did: Make a Bad Unnecessary Kung fu panda movie Make the worst sequel for Megamind 15 years later but it has animtion that was made in 3 hours and finally layoff many animators to save money and became the New Disney
Tbh, DreamWorks really went downhill once NBCUniversal began to own the studio. Sure, most of their recent films like Abominable, Bad Guys, Puss in Boots 2 and Ruby Gilman were great, but they didn't get much of a impact as their old ones. In about a year or two, I feel like they will end up becoming like Pixar.
This video came out right after I heard about massive Dreamworks layoffs. Not just a ton of employees lost their jobs, but they didn't get severance packages. It’s really sad to see. IMO It’s usually the heads in control that cause these issues, and the ppl who are cut off are just in response to their own string of failures. DW is too inconsistent. I hope for some improvement cus they’re totally capable of doing amazing things
Dreamworks operates differently from Disney/Pixar. Dreamworks never promise for a "A movie hit one after one" and play safely, they take risks in making movies. However, the current state of DW in making movies (Megamind 2 and KFP 4) is very similar to how Disney view sequels as Cash Grab. Which is VERY worrying tbh.
They just need to come out with another grand epic series that tells a serious story and is aimed at an older audience, along the lines of KFP and HTTYD, with the intention of making a trilogy from the start. It would make sense commercially, since many people are craving for that type of series after the sludge Disney and Pixar have been putting out for the last decade or so.
DreamWorks is best described as two studios: One who produces masterpiece after masterpiece, putting perfection in their craft, and then the one that vomits on a Docs file and sends it out.
And this is why I don't side with any studios at all, especially DreamWorks. Because no doubt they've been making some lackluster products at this time. They've made the mediocre Teenage Kraken, the even more mediocre Trolls Band Together, the atrocious Megamind 2, and the massively disappointing Kung Fu Panda 4. But they can still do good if they used their resources properly, like with the decent Orion And The Dark, and the already fantastic looking Wild Robot
Wait a minute I'm glad teenage kraken existed because let's be real it was nice to see an original project that's not based on a book or existing property
Megamind 2 is like Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2. It had the same writers, but said writers had absolutely no idea how to continue it, so they had to throw something else into Flint’s backstory so they could continue it. It had the same, generic “evil vs. hero!1!1!” plot. The only thing different is that Cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2 had the same voice actors and animation, while Megamind 2 has lost a majority of its voice actors and a much lower quality animation team.
Dreamworks is a very overrated studio, and it does have great movies like Kung Fu Panda 2, Megamind, Sherk, but what people forget is that those movies are already more than 10 years old, whereas the entire last decade was almost pure mid movies. With some exceptions, let's be honest, people only sided with Dreamworks because they were angry with Disney, and yet I dare to say that in all its years Disney has not released a movie as bad as Megamind 2.
To be fair, Megamind 2 was not produced by DWA themselves, but by their television division, which explains why it looks cheaper and why it’s also working on the television series. That said, I agree with your comment. I would argue that even Illumination has a more consistent output nowadays than Dreamworks.
It's never been surprising. DreamWorks has always been hit or miss since the start. Their quality has always been a mixed bag where sometimes it's fantastic and other times it's crap.
And that's why DreamWorks Animation (Their Movie Branch) could have done Megamind 2 (A much Better one than whatever the fudge that cheap trippy sequel was) and Also better marketing and a delay for Ruby Gilman
the hype train for the DreamWorks movies for the last two years was CRAZY everyone was saying that Disney and Pixar never released anything good in the last 5 years so they just forgot Soul existed? one of my favorites from Pixar and the fucking shows?😂 everybody focuses on the movies when DreamWorks literally make the most mid shows ever meanwhile Disney has The Owl House, Amphibia, Molly McGee, Duck Tales etc
I'll never understand the hype for Dreamworks back in 2022. People are acting as if Dreamworks are making a comeback when they made one successful film and the rest mediocre. Even going so far as to say that they doing better than Disney by comparing PiB2 with Turning Red and Lightyear. Have people lost their minds or something?
@@JLacay Disney simp spotted. 1 succesful movie with ALL other mediocre b*tch PLEASE this is bad faith right here. HTTYD 1 2 3, Shrek 12 4, KFP 1 and 2, Trolls 3, prince of egypt, Megamind 1, The bad Guys, and some others, these are mediocre to you lmao ??
You know I kinda wish the themes or message of Kung Fu Panda 4 was redemption or forgiveness because of the returning villains and cut scenes I thought it'll work but that's just idea I would think about the movie
That thumbnail was crazy for me to see lol. The masterpiece that is The Last Wish, surrounded by movies that were received a lot less well. Trolls 3 was fun imo though
@@Rhettroizms I know, but for DreamWorks is different. Universal wanted DreamWorks to shut down its in-house animation studio to outsource their animation to other studios like in Canada.
What you need to understand is that dreamworks makes billions from merch of these IPs. They only care about selling merchandise. That’s where the money is . Even if the box office does badly as long as they can milk tf out of it . Think about the movies as advertisements to sell toys , blankets, cups ETC. They dint care if kung fu panda was a good movie because they will make over a billion from Kung fu panda merch this year
Yes, that's exactly the reason why NBC/Universal bought DreamWorks Animation in the first place, that and because they had acquired the licenses to various famous properties
This happens all the time. It was the same with Marvel and DC post hiring ln James Gunn. Before any of his projects were under way, fans got super excited due to Suicide Squads excellence and began championing him, only for the final slog of DCEU projects to hit with terrible and mediocre reception. Meanwhile, Marvel put out a slate of trash and mid films but were "redeemed" by Gunns final entry with the Guardians. Its just a situation of people over exaggerating the power some artists haad during the pandemic.
"Alright, lets make a movie franchise about how you can do anything despite what people think, and how you look." "awesome! Now lets make the fourth villain entirely undermine that message, and make kids think they cant do things because of their physical appearance" "You genius bastard" -Two Dreamworks executives
I already had my fears when I heard Kung Fu Panda was getting a fourth movie and Megamind was getting a sequel. I was hoping my fears were just me being paranoid, but unfortunately that wasn’t the case. Kung Fu Panda 4 was basically another Toy Story 4 incident. The movie wasn’t bad, but it also wasn’t good, it was just mid and overall unnecessary. That’s the biggest problem with film companies today. Continuing medium that doesn’t need to be continued and breaking trilogies that should’ve just stayed trilogies in the first place. And Megamind 2 was obviously just a streaming service cashing in on a very popular past medium in hopes to make a quick buck! The absolute shallowness a great company like DreamWorks can have sometimes is heartbreaking. They know they can make masterpieces they just choose to take the safe route sometimes.
I loved Ruby Gillman, I am completely aware it is a technically lackluster film in a general sense. but given how generally poor received it was, one thing that was overlooked was the scene compositions, they did exceedingly well with the visuals, balancing dynamics and feeling with the different camera angles and such. Scenes meant to convey size really knocked it out of the park, while the atmosphere around each storybeat felt perfectly in place.
Oh yeah, the animation and technical aspects were fantastic! However, the story was poorly written, bland, and predictable, thus creating an unimpressive film, unfortunate really. 😕
This is exactly why I kept saying that we shouldn't get excited just because Dreamwork released 1 good movie. Yes, it was really good, but people were talking as if the company were about to only produce movies with the same quality. I kinda expected this to happen, so I can't even be disappointed.
Honestly, as much as I really enjoy sequels to some great films. Studios really need to know when to say where the end is. I mean the only real reason to make a continuation, is because there is more to the story to tell. I mean HTTYD is a great example, the first movie is about training a dragon, and making peace with them, the second movie is about someone using them as war machines, and is a continuation of Hiccup's arc, and the third movie is about someone who is essentially the opposite of Hiccup in philosophy, and completes Hiccup's arc and shows the contrast from star to finish for the series.
I know this is just my opinion but I really enjoyed Trolls 3 out of their recent releases after the Last Wish. It's fun, vibrant, and was able to tell a solid message about family while balancing it out with comedy and music. Yes, I don't think it's more deep or personal as the Last Wish, but I don't think it's a mediocre movie.
To me Ruby Gillman did had the potential to actually be a good movie in terms of story like say make Ruby and Chelsea actually good friends but Chelsea was over pressured by her mother as the queen to get the staff that she wanted to be genuine friends with Ruby but stuck in a toxic relationship with her mother..however what made it is on what it is about is there lack of marketing budget that Universal spent so much on Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer with there marketing budgets that DreamWorks gets the short end of the stick for Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken
The problem is that THAT has already been done too. Theres almost no way to do a superhero-esc/teenage high school monster story without doing something that hasn't already been done to death in a single movie, the only way to do something more unique would be to do it in a series or show rather than a single movie. Or you know, set the movie where the characters are younger children or older and in college? At an age and in a setting where these kinds of stories haven't been done to death in
@@HydragonofDeath would you say it's more of a story problem or a writting problem since the person who made Ruby Gillman is great by concept but the story feels uninspired
@@joelbarraclough6689 Its a story and writing problem, the writing for the movie is all over the place, but at the same time the type of story it wanted to tell was never going to be able to be unique or interesting if they wanted to tell it in one movie with the time constraints.
You hammer on a point here that a lot of reviewers are saying. The big studios, the mainstream reviewers, producers, advertisers are sooo out of touch with the modern audience that they don't know how to tell which movies audiences actually would like to see or how to market them. For both Disney and Dreamworks half of their most popular movie tanked at the box office through mismanagement and poor advertising, making back the failure later through demand for merch and and online views. And the movies that have been well advertised were so terrible they only did well in the first week and immediately crumbled!
Ok CALM DOWN my guy. “Almost completely killing Disney?” Disney is still a billion dollar megacorporation LMAO. DreamWorks making way better movies isn’t going to kill a megacorporation that owns like a quarter of the Western entertainment industry. I WISH it was that easy to end Disney’s monopoly
@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 meh, you seem to forget they made mediocre movies before and also masterpieces after, look at HTTYD 3, Puss in Boots 2, The Bad Guys
After puss in Boots to The last wish everything became lame Ruby Gilman teenage kraken was promising to be the next shrek in making fun of Disney and their mistakes but it ended up as a copy of turning red and Luca then I have to skip trolls 3 band together I made a choice to get boring with wish instead of watching something childish and mediocre then we have orion and the dark it was a solid film but it was a better experience in theaters are weight for a sequel to Megamind ended up as a waste and Kung Fu Panda 4 wasn't as awsome as we expected hopefully we got our rise again with the wild robot
@@facusmendoza1061 it may not been successful at the box office but when it was released on digital and streaming service the moon has been getting a lot of positive attention lately so I want to be surprised if a TV series could be in the works. What are the biggest criticisms in the movie is the character of Chelsea / nerissa most of the reviewers and audience have stated that they would have loved for Chelsea and Ruby to actually become good friends in the movie some even say when I had them be lovers. Also on TH-cam we do have lots of deleted scenes that would have made the movie better
@@animezilla4486 Ruby Gillman was supposed to be the next Shrek in making fun of Disney because Chelsea looks more to the original classic ariel as we know her it was great to make fun of Disney's wrong choice of casting halle as Ariel
I was thinking Ruby seemed more of a hook for a tv show than an actual movie on its own. Which makes sense as DW is pretty good with their shows. If a Ruby Gilman series came out, I would definitely watch it cause I was fascinated by the world and want to see her handle being a kraken protector and high school student with her friends and love interest 😁
Trolls 3 is my absolute favorite movie that's come out in the last 5 years. I've watched it no less than 12 times since January. Please watch it. Give it a chance.
@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 No need to be mean. People are aloud to enjoy what they want as long as it’s not harming anyone. That being said; you @missmangayaoi choose to click on this video and hear this TH-camr’s opinion. Not everyone is going to like Trolls 3 (and they don’t have to either).
Thank you for finally reviewing Ruby Gilman Teenage Kraken I’ve been pestering you about it for a while and your review was right. It was too predictable with or without the twist.
Honestly I wished excepting kung fu panda 4 to be as good or better than first 3 kung fu panda movie and way it took 8 years to make it would have been worthwhile and anticipating wished would have been as great as Puss in Boots: The Last Wish whom sequel that surpassed original puss in boots movie something the fourth movie could follow the same path then again studios that made got too carried away with success of previous movies they tended to next installment just for moneys rather than art storytelling and entertainment value or had time or efforts to make worthwhile movie or sequel to justify it existence
Mike Mitchell: Hello? This is your King. Stephanie Stine: (GASPS) Mike Mitchell: Oh Stephanie, thank goodness! Do you see what they've done to me? Stephanie Stine: Hmm, Well you do love mirrors. Mike Mitchell: That is not funny. Get me out of here at once. Stephanie Stine: No. Mike Mitchell: What? After everything for you, for Dreamworks? THIS IS THE THANKS I GET?! Stephanie Stine: This is the thanks you deserve. Hang it on the wall, in the dungeon. Mike Mitchell: Please, no! The dungeon smells really bad!
DreamWorks just has its cycle make an amazing movie post some flops, they earn good due to the good movie existing. Audience is down Make another masterpiece Repeat
I’d say they need to go in a reorganization effort that Sony Pictures Animation went through shortly before The Emoji Movie was released, where the studios output starting with ITSV became at least decent throughout. Dreamworks is starting to go into a two - three film per calendar year output again and that’s going to do more harm than good in the long run.
"You knew Kung Fu Panda was a trilogy! You always knew. But when the Executives demanded otherwise, what did you do? What did you do?! NOTHING!" "Oh you want to release KFP4 so badly.... You think creating a new installment would be great for your company, fill some... crater, in your soul? Well here's your truth, Dreamworks is falling off." "Wait, it's working! No! No..! Hahahaha... No, it's not. Did Pixar teach you that little trick(toy story 4)? Too bad! It only works before the movie comes out."
The dream works cycle
WERE SO BACK! -> tf was that? -> ok… -> it’s so over -> WERE SO BACK!
This has always been there cycle
@@StevenJones851doesn’t mean we have to like it
We are in the "ok" era
I'd say we're in the "ok" part of the cycle. But if the upcoming 'The Wild Robot' ends up being trash, we're gonna enter the "It's so over" part of the cycle.
@@user-bi5um2sf8o i feel like we're already on the its so over. the megamind film was complete garbage. kgf4 was meh at best. the rest were forgotten. If they dont up their game i dont see them recovering unscathed
Megamind 2 is geniunely one of the worst and most disrespectful movies I have ever seen, it's like Belle's Magical world, but Belle's magical world at least had the OG voice cast, meanwhile this doesn't even have that going for it, the animation looks like it was done in the early 2000's and the little girl is such an annoying self insert
Isn’t she a Mary Sue too
bro shrek came out in 2001 it's just lazy ass animation
It’s basically Velma of Dreamworks
And the director had the audacity to say he wanted to make another movie for megamind.
Megamind 2 shouldn’t even be in the same category as all the other Dreamworks films, as it’s just a glorified pilot to a shitty show, not a high-budget proper film
Trollhunters Rise of the Titans (which is also a shitty movie because it ruins the amazing series) is more of a movie than Megamind 2 is, but that isn’t ever bought up in Dreamworks film discussion so Megamind 2 shouldn’t be treated as a proper feature film either.
People seriously need to stop viewing DreamWorks as the second coming because of just one really good movie last year. They're no different to Disney and we all know that more than we want to admit it.
2 movies, 2 years ago*
@@josome7451it is one year for puss in boots
At least DreamWorks isn't obsessed in trying to pander to liberal groups for money. We can be relieved on that.
Exactly, people have such a hatred for Disney that they will grasp straws to say anything not Disney is great.
Oki I’m happy someone said it
Every company have there Ws but the same company will also have Ls
Like illuminations studio was judged for making dumb minion movies them they made the Mario movie yet even then I never heard THIS IS FANTASTIC GLORIOUS ITS A NEW AGE AND ALL FUTURE MOVIES WILL BE TOP TIER theres good theres bad end of story (though illuminations dissing on AI is a huge W ngl)
It will always be funny to me how dreamworks released puss in boots 2 and people thought they were in a Renaissance.
People were looking for anything to bash Disney that they let their hopes fly way too high
All those edgy DreamWorks simps who were like "Disney 🏳️🌈 vs DreamWorks 🗿” would literally only compare Puss in Boots 2 and not any of their bad movies 🤦
@@Dora-xi5obThose were nightmares
@@SpriteCranberryReal And it’s funny because someone could have done the same, bumping up Disney by saying “Encanto/Luca vs Boss Baby 2” back when those came out
@@Dora-xi5obthis happened to Glitch productions after they made Digital Circus. It’s like a curse, any time someone sees a studio’s media as a better thing than Disney, the studio starts to go down hill
It’s funny how 2 years ago when The Bad Guys and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish many people on the internet were saying DreamWorks was making a comeback after having a string of average animated films like the Trolls films, The Boss Baby films and Spirit: Untamed and using it as an excuse to hate on Disney and Pixar’s then-recent animated films at the time like Turning Red and Strange World. And now, I kid you not, there’s a video released in hindsight of Kung Fu Panda 4’s release discussing how DreamWorks is now “going downhill”. It really sure shows how many narrow-minded people on the internet will just automatically jump to the conclusion that a studio is returning back to its successful heights as in the old years from just 2 frigging films without considering the overall possible critical and financial outcome of the films following after Puss in Boots: The Last Wish.
Internet hype train is a crazy drug 💀
@@NinthShinigami I am glad I’m not addicted to it.
I also kinda find it ironic and funny that the animation community bashed the thin line animation style in "Turning Red", yet praised The Bad Guys' thin line animation style, and some of them went around bashing Ruby Gillman's thin line animation style. Believe me, I have documented all of the drama behind this (except I can't show clips in my videos.).
this stuff is why I personally don't like talking about movies with people who are terminally online. people are so disconnected from reality that they jump to whatever extreme end is popular at the time instead of thinking critically about things.
The thing is it did seem like the studio was getting better. Genuinely two really good artistic movies in one year showed a good direction for the company though they instantly squandered any gained rep.
Like it isn't weird to expect better from a company because they make two well balanced stylized films in a year, those films take at least a couple of years to be shaped. It shows there was some sort of action going on but of course it just ended up being a lucky fluke.
And no one would expect for it to be even worse (unless you are incredibly cynical all the time) as they fire a large part of their animation team and move onto out sourcing animation more. Thats just gross.
Ruby Gillman was more of a Turning Red parody than of The Little Mermaid parody
Puberty parody
Ruby Gillman's story is exactly like the Disney channel movie Halloweentown
That’s why I dislike Ruby Gillman, Dreamworks pretty much copied the same story from Turning Red
@@springheartedtigerI mean, isn’t Dreamworks known for that?
And yet, Turning Red easily can flip the bird to that piece of trash.
Turning Red still managed to be remembered and liked on its own, while nobody wants to even remember Gillman.
The difference between Disney and DreamWorks is that people just straight up hate Disney today because they refuse to change, while people have a love hate relationship with DreamWorks because one day they’re making masterpieces the next day they’re making absolute crap.
Will keep in mind not everybody hates Disney
Disney has has a lot of controversies
Not necessarily. Disney is still putting out the occasional banger, much like Dreamworks. I think Last Wish and Encanto are good examples of that. I personally see both companies as relatively equal in quality.
@@user-gw3bs2in5i Encanto ain't shit
@@Dumpsterhuggies It ain't shit at all! It's the opposite of shit! aka really good lol
I always wished DW made more epic musicals like "The Prince of Egypt" or fairy tale parodies like "Shrek." As a disappointed Disney fan, I kinda need that RN.
And I wished they made more handrawn animated movies, the few the made looked amazing.
@@snowberry8126 If I recall correctly, the box office bomb of "Sinbad" (which I really wish Disney had kept) was attributed to it not being CGI (well, not fully; it had CGI moments). I think the 2000s/2010s was the ideal time for CGI; now it should be more balanced--though TBF, 3D has only gotten the spotlight for 2 full decades in contrast to the almost century of 2D.
@@OpticalSorcereryeah I have heard that. Still I hope studiuos will eventually make a 2d return just for some appreciation for the artform. At least I can take comfort for the fact that the Boy and the heron. A handrawn film won the Oscar.
Same, Road To El Dorado, Spirit, Sinbad and The Prince Of Egypt have absolutely gorgeous animation, while Dreamworks still has wonderful animation to this day and does indeed experiment with 2D at times I wish they could make way more traditionally hand drawn movies in that style they use to do for their 2d movies. @@snowberry8126
@@snowberry8126 I think 2D will make a nostalgia-driven comeback. TBATH is also the first PG-13 film to win "Best Animated Film." Hopefully both things have an influence with major American animated companies.
Dreamworks doesn’t have a problem. They’ve operated on inconsistency since day one. Hell, just look at their first few moves. They started off with Antz, which was a spite project, then The Prince Of Egypt, then Spirit, Then The Road To El Dorado, then Shrek, then Shark Tale (I missed a few but you get the point).
It is a problem tho. Why does it seem they keep going for that inconsistency? Do we really need a sequel to boss baby? Does trolls really deserve a trilogy? Those are the real questions…
@@NinthShinigami Because it has worked for them before. Why fix what ain’t broke?
Why the Hell would you want a studio to be inconsistent in quality. What concussion did you have to make you think that's a good thing?
Shark tale is a bad movie for you guys? I love this shit
Yeah, their movie quality is inconsistent, but I would be hard pressed to call it “terrible.” They have their great movies, then they have a bunch of okay to good movies that are still entertaining.
Like, I love How to Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda, and Shrek has a special place in my heart, but I also like Trolls, The Croods, and most of their 2D stuff. One can like a variety of things for different reasons. HTTYD, RotG, and The Croods are three films I cite as having the most significance to me, where movies like Shrek and Trolls are my go to when I want to relax with a cup of tea/milk at the end of the day.
I really wish people would stop demanding every movie be some grand, epic thing that tackles deep themes, and simply enjoy some movies as relaxing entertainment.
We all know the reason Trolls 3 trended in popularity was because of Velvet and Veneer
Yeah but honestly the movie in generall is pretty good
They carried, and the thing that stayed with most people was their villain song which they compared to Disney’s Wish (which isn’t even a valid comparison since Trolls was a cover)
Loved them but the movie is actually pretty good. Yes, it's not as deep or complex as the Last Wish but it's still fun.
Maybe at first, but I’m seeing more focus on the Brozone brothers and Viva with the fan stories I’ve come across. Set against the backdrop of being eaten by Bergens, abandonment issues, typical family dramas, and worrying about hiding out to avoid old enemies, it creates some great head cannons and stories.
The only good thing about the Trolls saga was "Can't stop the feeling".
If they say they used all their creativity up making Last Wish...
I'd accept it, that movie slaps
Puss in boots 1 and Puss in boots the last wish are pretty badass 🗣️🗣️🗣️🧊🧊🧊🥶🥶🥶❄️❄️❄️
@elijahross9961 the first one is fucking trash lmao. What are you talking about?
Puss in Boots 2@@tomgu2285
@@elijahross9961 The first one was good for me, though the second was GREAT
I don’t think people realize Dreamworks has always been like this. They’ll release ONE amazing film after a string or row of mediocre films. The only time that wasn’t really the case was with How To Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda 2, and Megamind in the span of 1-2 years. Now, what I will say is that that ONE film they release can be something incredible and can be on par and can even surpass some of Disney’s best stuff.
This cycle is indeed a problem tho, as Dreamworks could put all the work and talent into other films besides another Boss Baby or Trolls sequel…
Megamind 2 is a new low for them, it makes Shark Tale look like a cinematic masterpiece
Yeah their movie catalogue is kind of all over the place and has been since they started. But, it’s kind of fun for me in a way. I stopped looking up trailers for DreamWorks movie cause they caused me to miss out on stuff like HTTYD, RotG, and Megamind, so I end up going into a movie pretty blind for the most part.
Very rarely have I been disappointed in a movie, while I do admit to finding some movies better than others. Overall though, I’m entertained and end up wanting to re-watch them when I have the chance, so I guess the movie did its job.
I’m one of those people who enjoys meaningful movies, and someone who also enjoys sitting back and not think too much. Hence why DreamWorks is usually my go-to for movies cause they do end up having something I want to watch.
What you need to understand is that dreamworks makes billions from merch of these IPs. They only care about selling merchandise. That’s where the money is . Even if the box office does badly as long as they can milk tf out of it . Think about the movies as advertisements to sell toys , blankets, cups ETC.
They dint care if kung fu panda was a good movie because they will make over a billion from Kung fu panda merch this year
I'd question the consistency of good movie-making regarding the HTTYD trilogy. The 3rd movie had a noticeable dip in writing quality to the point the plot moved the characters, not characters moving the plot, committing silly things, and being out of character (like Hiccup giving up on trying to teach people we can coexist with them completely when previous 2 movies proved it can be done). Suddenly, Dreamworks wanted to end things like in the books while the only thing that connected movies with them is the title and characters' names.
Leave Trolls out of this, part 3 was pretty good
I thought Mega Mind was gonna have a kid with Roxane and learn about fatherhood, responsibility, and aging.
But that was wishful thinking.
Ohhh I now hope i don’t see a mega mind human
It’s a good idea but I feel like the look of that child would make me leave the theaters
That would actually be sweet. Megamind learned to be a hero to the people of Metrocity, with a child, he could learn to be a hero in a more intimate level. You know, because of that thing that people say that a father is every child's superhero.
that's a terrible idea, we already have to deal with the fact that Gru's done it, we don't need Megamind doing it to
@@thejuiceking2219 Well, it all depends on execution in my opinion. And seeing DreamWorks make a "parody" of an Illumination movie would be amusing
I feel like Dreamworks is THE unreliable studio, the one company you can bank on having a mixed output at any point in time
Blame it all on nbcuniversal the most useless and creatively bankrupt studio in the world
I thought that was illumination but yeah this title fits dreamworks better.
@@xdead_manx5506 Nah, Illumination's more of a consistent okay. DreamWorks is more characterized by having terrifying lows and dizzying highs at an inconsistent rate.
@@xdead_manx5506 illumination is the one you can bank on being bad
dude dreamwork has been like this since day one. their first film, Antz, was made out of spite@@AnakinSkywalker_1858
It also doesn’t help that Universal not only rushed Kung Fu Panda 4 (with the power of studio meddling and bad main director), but they’re also rushing The Wild Robot 3-5 weeks before their current TAG contract expires, in addition to laying off 40-50% of their employees to force DreamWorks to outsource all their future works.
All in an effort to avoid having to pay for Animation Unions. (Oh how petty and greedy)
We really thought Universal’s involvement was gonna end at lowering their budgets since 2020 (which was ultimately in their favor in 2022), but it sadly didn’t.
You can really tell studios were baking *heavy* on substituting a whole bunch of human workers with AI
They are not gona rush the wild robot lmao it looks amazing
@@tomgu2285 Tbf, looks are one thing. Writing and other things are another. I'm definitely excited, for what it's worth though.
Kung Fu Panda 4 has a deep rabbit hole involving the co-director's concept and it's sad it didn't get accepted because a joke-y plot is better said the director of the film
Fr they need to release the Stephanie cut or something to that cause at least she was TRYING to keep it true to what we knew and loved
I kind of wished KFP 3 had a more definitive ending to the series like HTTYD 3, such that they couldn't keep milking it for cash once its story was finished
@@therealpskilla502 Some said The Hidden World was not a good ending/weak compared to the first two
@@EvokerInvokerble I heavily disagree, I think it has one of the best endings in any animated film. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I really don't understand why people have such a problem with it.
@@therealpskilla502 Do you think it should have won over Toy Story 4 for best animated feature?
Well we no longer have to worry about "their" animation problem as they're nuking their in-house animating staff for the most part after The Wild Robot.
So now it's being worried about the animation they outsource to xd.
They still have in-house animator animating their film,just that they also use outsourcing
Yeah and they are outsourcing their animation to Sony pictures imageworks
Dreamworks also seems to be pretty bad with marketing lately. Like with Puss In Boots 2, I never even saw a trailer for that. The first time I ever heard of it was when it was already out and people were talking about how good it was.
The only way I heard of it was through memes and reviews on Instagram and TH-cam after the U.S release. Living in the UK there are plenty of film adverts on buses, but I only saw one for PiB:TLW. Guess it just got out bid by Avatar 2.
To be fair, DreamWorks marketing has always kinda sucked. It’s one reason I think Rise of the Guardians had a tough theatrical run, and is what turned me off from a lot of their movies.
Nowadays, I just ignore trailers and hop on the internet every now and then for movie release updates.
@@jendoe9436 But Universal handles their marketing now.
So its not DreamWorks thats the problem here anymore.
It’s surprising how little marketing Kung Fu Panda 4 got. I’m not a huge Kung fu panda fan, but it’s KUNG FU PANDA
Puss and Boots is a big name that's associated with Shrek. People just went to go see it because of that
I think they, much like other studios, needs a leader who can encourage creativity while also keeping things on track. I don't quite want to say they should maintain the status quo (not on the creative end of things anyway), but these studios should have better standards than they do.
tbh i wouldnt blame artists at all or creative leaders... its usually executives that creative teams have to constantly fight against...
@josome7451 I'm not blaming the artists at all, what I'm saying is that studio needs an executive leader like Eisner was for Disney in the 80s. Someone who is capable of multitasking and overseeing things without wildly interfering in productions, who can pay attention to projects without micro managing everything.
so funny to see all the youtubers go from "Dreramworks can do no wrong, step it up animation industry" to this. This is exactly why you don't put your stakes into something after one good thing happens.
People in 2022 making videos: “Dreamworks is the leading animated studio now. Fuck Disney. Dreamworks is overtaking them.”
People in 2024 making videos: “Oh wow we fuck up.”
Don’t give me I’m not saying not saying Disney is having problems with both it’s animation studio and Pixar right now. But calling Dreamworks the new leading animated studio or Dreamworks overtaking them is so bizarre especially as someone who witnessed that content back in 2022. I mostly watch and thinking are they really overtaking Disney don’t give me Bad Guys and Puss in boots 2 are great animated movies as well as having new animation style. But still two years later this same studio who claim is overtaking Disney have produce Kung Fu Panda 4 and Megamind 2!
Watch out for "The Wild Robot."
The tables could turn
It's not that Dreamworks doesn't have great movies (Prince of Egypt, Road to El Dorado, Chicken Run, Curse of the Were Rabbit, Over the Hedge, Flushed Away, How to Train your Dragon, Megamind and the Captain Underpants Movie)- its more that they lack any sort of style with their movies, you cant just look at a film and tell its made by Dreamworks - Disney has an easily recognisable style while Dreamworks films look like they could have come from any studio. It doesn't help that almost all of their films post 2010, excluding the Kung Fu Panda and How To Train Your Dragon films have been pretty terrible.
I thought How to Train Your Dragon 2 and Kung fu Panda 3 were meh/ok. I really like Httyd 1 and 3 tho and I think kfp 1 and 2 are good
Almost all i heavily disagree with that
You could kinda argue that they kinda do have a style, prince of Egypt, sinbad and road to el dorado do have a certain style to them that you can tell comes from the same studio, also shrek and megamind have that semi realistic cartoony style that dream works did in the 2000’s-2010’s
Bad Guys is the worst only great new IP they did after Megamind 1
I wish more animation studios made movies like KFP and HTTYD. They're good becuase they tell serious stories with messages that resonate well with older audiences, they have sequels that are actually better than their first films, and they're not too overly reliant on comic relief. As far as 3d animation goes, they're definitely a step up from the "cal arts" style found in many films recently.
Yeah remember all those “Disney Bad, Dreamworks good” short videos that came after puss n boots 2. I wonder what happened to those?
Nbcuniversal happened
As a long time dreamworks fan I can confirm they produce movies that either hit or miss and although they miss most of the time when they hit they hit hard
And I feel like the wild robot might just be their next hit movie
Just like my dad except he never misses 😂
"miss most of the time"
uuhh no.
they actually hit half of the time and miss half of the time it's perfectly balanced lmao
The Last Wish really did just gaslight everyone into thinking DW was going to make an animation renaissance.
they perfectly can, TLW was the proof of it tho
Cartoonshi said it best: “dreamworks’ best quality is of being inconsistent”
Not everything is going to be good as The last wish but Megamind 2 is a disgrace to our society
This is why in 2022, when everybody was shting on Disney and saying Dreamworks was going back to its golden era because of The Last Wish, I wasn't buying it. Just cause one Dreamworks movie turned out great, doesn't mean it was gonna be the trend and a year and a half later, I was right. The Last Wish was a fluke.
The new Megamind is made by Dreamworks Animation Television, an entirely different thing from Dreamworks Animation.
Fair, but a tv pilot is no excuse. We can forgive the bad animation, but not the bad writing
Dreamworks is experimental in nature, so yeah they may animate different styles. The Wild Robot, an upcoming movie, uses the same style (children's illustration) as Puss In Boots The Last Wish
And several production teams (4-6 movies at work at any one time).
@@AngelEmfrbl and direction.
Hopefully it will be good
@@EvokerInvokerble yep, each team has different directions they work to. Its why the studio can make very different movies.
When you consider you get 2 movies a year in the cinema and lots of TV shows, DreamWorks isn't a one team studio.
If I recall, Pixar has 1-3 teams depending, basically half the number. The liited teams, however, means that for the most part? the same people ultimately are in control all the time. This is why their movies has consistancy. However, you can tell the newer movies may have a different team as they "look" and "feel" different to the older ones.
I know that Trolls movies aren't that popular, the first being entertaining but lacking a strong message, and the second having a strong message that had potential but was poorly executed and overshadowed by forced comedy. But I have to admit, I was suprised when I saw Trolls Band Together and thought it was actually good. In this movie they managed to balance both the message, which was much more grounded and relatable, and the comedy. The amount of adult jokes in this movie is HILARIOUS! The villians too, also hilarious! Of course it has its flaws, like its pacing and the need for more development for the new characters (no where near Puss in Boots TLW), but I still think that this was a small high for DreamWorks in this slump. I recommend it to someone who is looking for a comfort movie😄.
You would be surprised how popular Trolls is among some people. I consider myself a fan since the first movie, and think it’s been getting better as the years go on.
I blame the bad trailers (as always with DreamWorks films) and people who just wanted to hate on them because “these movies look stupid” instead of acting watching them.
@@jendoe9436 True, the trailers are bad. Branch is my favorite DreamWorks character, which is why I stay glued to the films. I'm glad he finally got the focus he deserved. That, and Broppy shipping. Lol😂
@@carleeelders875 same! 😂 he’s such an entertaining character, and his interactions and relationship with Poppy are what I live for. The two are so weirdly cute together that I can’t help but root for them. 😅😁
@@jendoe9436 Broppy Forever!!!😆🩷💙
@@jendoe9436 Broppy forever!!!🩷💙😆
Honestly this is kind of just how dream works always has been. They release great films and okay films whenever they feel like it. It’s just how they operate.
Which is better than Disney or Pixar can say. The last time either of them put out anything truly exceptional was probably Frozen and Toy Story 3, respectively.
@@therealpskilla502 I’d say Tangled for Disney and Wall-E for Pixar
I can't believe I'm saying this. But I miss Jeffrey Katzenberg. Sure, he made mistakes and alot of questionable decisions, but Dreamworks' quality control was much better when he was the CEO of the company.
Damn, your right.
he also resulted in the studio spiraling into debt.
The current person in charge is the same guy who helped make Illumination what it was.
@@AngelEmfrbl no wonder they’re having trouble and had massive layouffs without a severance package. Cheapskates will always be cheapskates who make bad decisions and then cut their employees off for quick gains
Bruh Katzenberg is not responsible for the good decisions made in movies. He threw a tantrum because he wanted "Part of Your World" removed from The Little Mermaid. Ask anyone in the industry, he nearly ruined the Disney Renaissance, he didn't drive it.
He's also the one who singlehandedly destroyed The Black Cauldron, and he was championing Ruby Gillman. The man isn't the savior of animation you think he is.
@@WobblesandBean You know, can we as a community just like… stop worshipping businessmen and CEOs?
That includes Walt Disney. The man got way more credit than he deserved because he stamped his name on the company, and tricked entire generations into associating him with their childhood nostalgia.
What we thought Dreamworks was going to do: Make movies with deep messages like the last wish with funny jokes
What Dreamworks did: Make a Bad Unnecessary Kung fu panda movie Make the worst sequel for Megamind 15 years later but it has animtion that was made in 3 hours and finally layoff many animators to save money and became the New Disney
I kinda liked Kung Fu Panda 4
Hopefully they’ll have a chance to redeem themselves one more time. The Wild Robot looks very promising afterall
Tbh, DreamWorks really went downhill once NBCUniversal began to own the studio.
Sure, most of their recent films like Abominable, Bad Guys, Puss in Boots 2 and Ruby Gilman were great, but they didn't get much of a impact as their old ones.
In about a year or two, I feel like they will end up becoming like Pixar.
I really liked Kung Fu Panda 4, but I will respect your opinion
@@kootunesscrewy They ran into debt and had to allow Universal to buy them up so they could survive.
They have never really done well at all.
inconsistency is their motto, i cant belive that shrek 3 was made by the same guys that did shrek 2
Shrek 3 had a different director though.
Hopefully this is not the end and dream Works Comes back with another good one.😌
This video came out right after I heard about massive Dreamworks layoffs. Not just a ton of employees lost their jobs, but they didn't get severance packages.
It’s really sad to see. IMO It’s usually the heads in control that cause these issues, and the ppl who are cut off are just in response to their own string of failures.
DW is too inconsistent. I hope for some improvement cus they’re totally capable of doing amazing things
WERE BACK!
It's over!
WE'RE SO BACK!
ITS SO OVER!
not taking the trolls band together slander
Same that movie was gold
Yes. That movie is probably on my top 10 dreamworks movies
Was definitely better than the 2nd one
exactly it was a masterpiece
I respect it, but I really have no interest in it. Not for my age demographic.
Dreamworks operates differently from Disney/Pixar. Dreamworks never promise for a "A movie hit one after one" and play safely, they take risks in making movies.
However, the current state of DW in making movies (Megamind 2 and KFP 4) is very similar to how Disney view sequels as Cash Grab. Which is VERY worrying tbh.
They just need to come out with another grand epic series that tells a serious story and is aimed at an older audience, along the lines of KFP and HTTYD, with the intention of making a trilogy from the start. It would make sense commercially, since many people are craving for that type of series after the sludge Disney and Pixar have been putting out for the last decade or so.
DreamWorks is best described as two studios: One who produces masterpiece after masterpiece, putting perfection in their craft,
and then the one that vomits on a Docs file and sends it out.
It's easy enough to ignore their bad films as long as they keep putting out the masterpieces, which are something their competition is sorely lacking
And this is why I don't side with any studios at all, especially DreamWorks. Because no doubt they've been making some lackluster products at this time. They've made the mediocre Teenage Kraken, the even more mediocre Trolls Band Together, the atrocious Megamind 2, and the massively disappointing Kung Fu Panda 4.
But they can still do good if they used their resources properly, like with the decent Orion And The Dark, and the already fantastic looking Wild Robot
orion and the dark actually needs more attention like the other dreamwork movies tbh
Wait a minute I'm glad teenage kraken existed because let's be real it was nice to see an original project that's not based on a book or existing property
Orion and the Dark is by far the worst movie out of all the ones you listed
Actually it’s better than Megamind 2 but it was still really bad
Oh my god i love your profile
Megamind 2 is like Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2. It had the same writers, but said writers had absolutely no idea how to continue it, so they had to throw something else into Flint’s backstory so they could continue it. It had the same, generic “evil vs. hero!1!1!” plot. The only thing different is that Cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2 had the same voice actors and animation, while Megamind 2 has lost a majority of its voice actors and a much lower quality animation team.
Dreamworks is a very overrated studio, and it does have great movies like Kung Fu Panda 2, Megamind, Sherk, but what people forget is that those movies are already more than 10 years old, whereas the entire last decade was almost pure mid movies. With some exceptions, let's be honest, people only sided with Dreamworks because they were angry with Disney, and yet I dare to say that in all its years Disney has not released a movie as bad as Megamind 2.
To be fair, Megamind 2 was not produced by DWA themselves, but by their television division, which explains why it looks cheaper and why it’s also working on the television series. That said, I agree with your comment. I would argue that even Illumination has a more consistent output nowadays than Dreamworks.
Didnt disney faced the same problem with wish
@@nadatowatch wish suck, but it still so much better that megamind 2
@@nadatowatchwish is a trillion times better than megamid 2
@@filetofish7688nbcuniversal is to blame the most mid useless and creatively bankrupt studio in the history of the world
It's never been surprising. DreamWorks has always been hit or miss since the start. Their quality has always been a mixed bag where sometimes it's fantastic and other times it's crap.
And that's why DreamWorks Animation (Their Movie Branch) could have done Megamind 2 (A much Better one than whatever the fudge that cheap trippy sequel was) and Also better marketing and a delay for Ruby Gilman
I have an idea for a video about “once in a blue moon” animated films that each animation studios had
Lol the switch up is crazy. People were glazing DreamWorks because of Puss in Boots, but now DreamWorks has a problem. It's funny ngl.
And it’s funny because someone could have done the same, bumping up Disney by saying “Encanto/Luca vs Boss Baby 2”
it's kinda sad every movie is expected to be some kind of masterpiece as if that was ever going to be at all realistic
The worst part of Kung Fu panda 4 is that it wasn't Dreamworks' fault as well.
Whose was it?
@@bengilhooly3616 The director of the movie
For kung fu panda 4, I wish that movie was in 2.5d like puss in boots the last wish.
@@bengilhooly3616 Mike Mitchell
@@vincenthoule5643Kung Fu Panda with Spiderverse like animation would be sick
But The current animation is still good though.
I still believe in DreamWorks, I am sure that The Wild Robot will cover up for my beliefs
the hype train for the DreamWorks movies for the last two years was CRAZY
everyone was saying that Disney and Pixar never released anything good in the last 5 years
so they just forgot Soul existed? one of my favorites from Pixar
and the fucking shows?😂
everybody focuses on the movies when DreamWorks literally make the most mid shows ever meanwhile Disney has The Owl House, Amphibia, Molly McGee, Duck Tales etc
I'll never understand the hype for Dreamworks back in 2022. People are acting as if Dreamworks are making a comeback when they made one successful film and the rest mediocre. Even going so far as to say that they doing better than Disney by comparing PiB2 with Turning Red and Lightyear. Have people lost their minds or something?
@@JLacay that's called recency bias
the internet has it
@@JLacay Disney simp spotted.
1 succesful movie with ALL other mediocre b*tch PLEASE this is bad faith right here.
HTTYD 1 2 3, Shrek 12 4, KFP 1 and 2, Trolls 3, prince of egypt, Megamind 1, The bad Guys, and some others, these are mediocre to you lmao ??
Angry disney simp
@@JLacay saying they only made 1 suiccesful movie is crazy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if people soon start saying that Disney is better than Dreamworks, if they put out another banger soon that is.
When was the last time Disney or Pixar took any creative risks and told a story that wasn't sanitized or formulaic?
@@therealpskilla502Soul and Encanto were good.
it won't happen lmao. if dreamwork went from good to bed, Disney went from bad to worse.
@@Simbala-bq5vy yeah and that's it ? because after they all made trash.
@@AmicusAdastra Say that to DreamWorks only Bad guys and Puss in boots 2 and after that only bad movies. Bro wake up! They're both trash nowadays!
You know I kinda wish the themes or message of Kung Fu Panda 4 was redemption or forgiveness because of the returning villains and cut scenes I thought it'll work but that's just idea I would think about the movie
So I'm not the only one who has problems with animation studios that aren't under the Disney umbrella LOL
That thumbnail was crazy for me to see lol. The masterpiece that is The Last Wish, surrounded by movies that were received a lot less well.
Trolls 3 was fun imo though
Yeah, suddenly the shoe's on the other foot for this animation studio.
Don’t forget the layoffs that is happening
Everyone in every industry is getting laid off
@@Rhettroizms I know, but for DreamWorks is different. Universal wanted DreamWorks to shut down its in-house animation studio to outsource their animation to other studios like in Canada.
@@Oscar95451not entirely,they still produce in-house but not fully like the past dan mix with outsourcing
@Oscar95451 that's Sony Pictures imageworks
megamind in the 2nd move looks like he was made in sims 4
What you need to understand is that dreamworks makes billions from merch of these IPs. They only care about selling merchandise. That’s where the money is . Even if the box office does badly as long as they can milk tf out of it . Think about the movies as advertisements to sell toys , blankets, cups ETC.
They dint care if kung fu panda was a good movie because they will make over a billion from Kung fu panda merch this year
Yes, that's exactly the reason why NBC/Universal bought DreamWorks Animation in the first place, that and because they had acquired the licenses to various famous properties
This happens all the time. It was the same with Marvel and DC post hiring ln James Gunn. Before any of his projects were under way, fans got super excited due to Suicide Squads excellence and began championing him, only for the final slog of DCEU projects to hit with terrible and mediocre reception. Meanwhile, Marvel put out a slate of trash and mid films but were "redeemed" by Gunns final entry with the Guardians. Its just a situation of people over exaggerating the power some artists haad during the pandemic.
"Alright, lets make a movie franchise about how you can do anything despite what people think, and how you look."
"awesome! Now lets make the fourth villain entirely undermine that message, and make kids think they cant do things because of their physical appearance"
"You genius bastard"
-Two Dreamworks executives
I already had my fears when I heard Kung Fu Panda was getting a fourth movie and Megamind was getting a sequel. I was hoping my fears were just me being paranoid, but unfortunately that wasn’t the case. Kung Fu Panda 4 was basically another Toy Story 4 incident. The movie wasn’t bad, but it also wasn’t good, it was just mid and overall unnecessary. That’s the biggest problem with film companies today. Continuing medium that doesn’t need to be continued and breaking trilogies that should’ve just stayed trilogies in the first place. And Megamind 2 was obviously just a streaming service cashing in on a very popular past medium in hopes to make a quick buck! The absolute shallowness a great company like DreamWorks can have sometimes is heartbreaking. They know they can make masterpieces they just choose to take the safe route sometimes.
Yes FINALLY someone made a vidéo that say that Dreamworks have actually problems
I loved Ruby Gillman, I am completely aware it is a technically lackluster film in a general sense. but given how generally poor received it was, one thing that was overlooked was the scene compositions, they did exceedingly well with the visuals, balancing dynamics and feeling with the different camera angles and such. Scenes meant to convey size really knocked it out of the park, while the atmosphere around each storybeat felt perfectly in place.
Oh yeah, the animation and technical aspects were fantastic! However, the story was poorly written, bland, and predictable, thus creating an unimpressive film, unfortunate really. 😕
the problem isn't about the movies, it's about the quality of them.
"Only focusing on theatrical releases" .... Proceeds to moan about megamind 2
We have the wild robot coming soon
I just can’t fandom how badly they ruined MegaMind, it still makes me wanna cry to this day.🥺🤧
We live in a world where Lord Shen isn't the most dangerous peacock to DreamWorks
This is exactly why I kept saying that we shouldn't get excited just because Dreamwork released 1 good movie. Yes, it was really good, but people were talking as if the company were about to only produce movies with the same quality. I kinda expected this to happen, so I can't even be disappointed.
Honestly, as much as I really enjoy sequels to some great films. Studios really need to know when to say where the end is. I mean the only real reason to make a continuation, is because there is more to the story to tell. I mean HTTYD is a great example, the first movie is about training a dragon, and making peace with them, the second movie is about someone using them as war machines, and is a continuation of Hiccup's arc, and the third movie is about someone who is essentially the opposite of Hiccup in philosophy, and completes Hiccup's arc and shows the contrast from star to finish for the series.
I know this is just my opinion but I really enjoyed Trolls 3 out of their recent releases after the Last Wish. It's fun, vibrant, and was able to tell a solid message about family while balancing it out with comedy and music. Yes, I don't think it's more deep or personal as the Last Wish, but I don't think it's a mediocre movie.
To me Ruby Gillman did had the potential to actually be a good movie in terms of story like say make Ruby and Chelsea actually good friends but Chelsea was over pressured by her mother as the queen to get the staff that she wanted to be genuine friends with Ruby but stuck in a toxic relationship with her mother..however what made it is on what it is about is there lack of marketing budget that Universal spent so much on Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer with there marketing budgets that DreamWorks gets the short end of the stick for Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken
The problem is that THAT has already been done too. Theres almost no way to do a superhero-esc/teenage high school monster story without doing something that hasn't already been done to death in a single movie, the only way to do something more unique would be to do it in a series or show rather than a single movie.
Or you know, set the movie where the characters are younger children or older and in college? At an age and in a setting where these kinds of stories haven't been done to death in
@@HydragonofDeath would you say it's more of a story problem or a writting problem since the person who made Ruby Gillman is great by concept but the story feels uninspired
@@joelbarraclough6689 Its a story and writing problem, the writing for the movie is all over the place, but at the same time the type of story it wanted to tell was never going to be able to be unique or interesting if they wanted to tell it in one movie with the time constraints.
it's like after puss in boots the last wish, dreamworks stopped trying
its like something battered down their motivation and happiness tho
mfs will think this studio is making a comeback after one good movie
I have some fears for dreamworks, to think that the wild robot will be the last movie produced by the studios itself...
They still produce in-house,just that they also use outsourcing
I believe Dreamworks would be absorbed by Illumination to focus on Nintendo and Minions IPs
Trolls 3 was great, I don’t know what you’re talking about
Did anyone know that the bad guys was a book
yep
The books are way better the movie is just a slapped together predictable mid cash grab imo
You hammer on a point here that a lot of reviewers are saying. The big studios, the mainstream reviewers, producers, advertisers are sooo out of touch with the modern audience that they don't know how to tell which movies audiences actually would like to see or how to market them. For both Disney and Dreamworks half of their most popular movie tanked at the box office through mismanagement and poor advertising, making back the failure later through demand for merch and and online views. And the movies that have been well advertised were so terrible they only did well in the first week and immediately crumbled!
It's crazy to think about how people we're hyping up dreamworks after puss in boots 2 released
dreamworks on their way to completely fumble immediately after almost completely killing disney:
Ok CALM DOWN my guy. “Almost completely killing Disney?” Disney is still a billion dollar megacorporation LMAO.
DreamWorks making way better movies isn’t going to kill a megacorporation that owns like a quarter of the Western entertainment industry. I WISH it was that easy to end Disney’s monopoly
Love the emphasis on “WISH”
Nice touch😏
Nobody can kill Disney at this point it’s the biggest thing in global entertainment by a mile
Not even Warner Sony or the godforsaken nbcuniversal can
@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 if they continue loosing $100M+ on movies then maybe
@@domi-no1826They still have billions and billions
Peacock stole Megamind and tried to make Dreamworks worse😅
Unfortunately nbcuniversal bought dreamworks back in 2016 and that’s when the descent into mediocrity began…
@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 meh, you seem to forget they made mediocre movies before and also masterpieces after, look at HTTYD 3, Puss in Boots 2, The Bad Guys
Weird it’s like Dreamworks only makes good movies that are released on November only.🤔
November must be their lucky month huh?
I honestly enjoyed Trolls 3 a lot more than the other two movies because it focused more on my favorite character, Branch, but opinion handled
To be honest, Trolls 3 is overhated- but everything else you said was true.
AND overrated.
@@kattyani um, no.
@@AmicusAdastra it was actually it was all over my fyp giving me spoilers now i dont wanna watch it 😭
After puss in Boots to The last wish everything became lame Ruby Gilman teenage kraken was promising to be the next shrek in making fun of Disney and their mistakes but it ended up as a copy of turning red and Luca then I have to skip trolls 3 band together I made a choice to get boring with wish instead of watching something childish and mediocre then we have orion and the dark it was a solid film but it was a better experience in theaters are weight for a sequel to Megamind ended up as a waste and Kung Fu Panda 4 wasn't as awsome as we expected hopefully we got our rise again with the wild robot
Ruby Gilman teenage kraken was a decent movie it just had a lot of problems
@@animezilla4486 if it wasn't for the trailer that spoiled everything as of right now it could have been a success
@@facusmendoza1061 it may not been successful at the box office but when it was released on digital and streaming service the moon has been getting a lot of positive attention lately so I want to be surprised if a TV series could be in the works. What are the biggest criticisms in the movie is the character of Chelsea / nerissa most of the reviewers and audience have stated that they would have loved for Chelsea and Ruby to actually become good friends in the movie some even say when I had them be lovers. Also on TH-cam we do have lots of deleted scenes that would have made the movie better
@@animezilla4486 Ruby Gillman was supposed to be the next Shrek in making fun of Disney because Chelsea looks more to the original classic ariel as we know her it was great to make fun of Disney's wrong choice of casting halle as Ariel
I was thinking Ruby seemed more of a hook for a tv show than an actual movie on its own. Which makes sense as DW is pretty good with their shows.
If a Ruby Gilman series came out, I would definitely watch it cause I was fascinated by the world and want to see her handle being a kraken protector and high school student with her friends and love interest 😁
Trolls 3 is my absolute favorite movie that's come out in the last 5 years. I've watched it no less than 12 times since January. Please watch it. Give it a chance.
You’re either a kid or braindead 😒
@@AnakinSkywalker_1858 No need to be mean. People are aloud to enjoy what they want as long as it’s not harming anyone.
That being said; you @missmangayaoi choose to click on this video and hear this TH-camr’s opinion.
Not everyone is going to like Trolls 3 (and they don’t have to either).
@@spacecaster3802 doesn’t mean it has to be an absolutely god awful movie
DreamWorks is a studio that sadly became a victim of its own success
Panda 4 isn’t okay…it’s bad
Thanks to nbcuniversal 😊
Thank you for finally reviewing Ruby Gilman Teenage Kraken I’ve been pestering you about it for a while and your review was right. It was too predictable with or without the twist.
Honestly I wished excepting kung fu panda 4 to be as good or better than first 3 kung fu panda movie and way it took 8 years to make it would have been worthwhile and anticipating wished would have been as great as Puss in Boots: The Last Wish whom sequel that surpassed original puss in boots movie something the fourth movie could follow the same path then again studios that made got too carried away with success of previous movies they tended to next installment just for moneys rather than art storytelling and entertainment value or had time or efforts to make worthwhile movie or sequel to justify it existence
Dreamworks is so infuriatingly inconsistent.
Mike Mitchell: Hello? This is your King.
Stephanie Stine: (GASPS)
Mike Mitchell: Oh Stephanie, thank goodness! Do you see what they've done to me?
Stephanie Stine: Hmm, Well you do love mirrors.
Mike Mitchell: That is not funny. Get me out of here at once.
Stephanie Stine: No.
Mike Mitchell: What? After everything for you, for Dreamworks? THIS IS THE THANKS I GET?!
Stephanie Stine: This is the thanks you deserve. Hang it on the wall, in the dungeon.
Mike Mitchell: Please, no! The dungeon smells really bad!
DreamWorks just has its cycle
make an amazing movie
post some flops, they earn good due to the good movie existing.
Audience is down
Make another masterpiece
Repeat
real
Bad Guys doesn't get enough love. Obviously The Last Wish was Magnum Opus tier but I'd still be watching Bad Guys if it didn't vanish off Netflix.
its coming out on netflix in april the 1st
I’d say they need to go in a reorganization effort that Sony Pictures Animation went through shortly before The Emoji Movie was released, where the studios output starting with ITSV became at least decent throughout. Dreamworks is starting to go into a two - three film per calendar year output again and that’s going to do more harm than good in the long run.
They're putting out mediocre work.
That's the problem.
I remember when they use to give us Madagascar 😊
you forgot how many masterpieces they made after.
@@AmicusAdastra You worry about that
I pray solemnly for "The Wild Robot" to be so freaking good that it will be the next DreamWorks Magnum opus!
"You knew Kung Fu Panda was a trilogy! You always knew. But when the Executives demanded otherwise, what did you do? What did you do?! NOTHING!"
"Oh you want to release KFP4 so badly.... You think creating a new installment would be great for your company, fill some... crater, in your soul? Well here's your truth, Dreamworks is falling off."
"Wait, it's working! No! No..! Hahahaha... No, it's not. Did Pixar teach you that little trick(toy story 4)? Too bad! It only works before the movie comes out."
😂😂😂