While DMC 2 is still being negatively received, I feel Lucia was a welcome addition to the series who many fans, including myself, would like to see more of. She's sefless, heroic, and likeable.
I hate when they tell the newcomers to skip DMC2 like it never exist. Shouldn't they just let them play it and have their opinions about it either good or bad?
An show the Lucia's crush on Dante from the Canon novel that show how Dante got ( belrog ). Found out from a TH-camr, just look for it and you'll find it (• ε •)
I hope they remake it someday, confirm Dante's attitude in the game is due to his loss of purpose, and keep the characters but expand the dialogue and bring the combat to proper modern DMC standards. I think erasing it is also a bad idea, we should elevate it so that it can be loved like the rest.
@@demonslayerforchrist4174 Yeah I don't want them to change DMC2 Dante's personality, it's very poignant to see this massive shift and it carries a lot of meaning.
I understand DMC 2 was originally set to be the final chapter, but that got retconned after DMC 5 came out. Thinking about it now, I say 2 can still be placed at the end, if only because Dante was the only character to be seen again. Yeah, I know that would mean Vergil, Trish, Lady, and Nero and his friends never came back after 5, or after the 2008 anime... But, I think it works.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you've just singlehandedly convinced me that DMC 2 actually has redeeming qualities and artistic merit, and I would like to see a remake of it now.
There are things about dmc2 I always liked, and your look into some of the themes gives a nice outline of what the devs may have been trying to do. However, I still think it's a bad game, but that does not mean it has no redeeming qualities. Great video!
I think dmc2 deserves a remake. There is so much potential especially with how it fits into the current timeline. It'd be a chance for them to actually finish the game and give it depth. The development of dmc2 was rough. We dont even know who the original director is. It really needed better staff and more time in the oven. The setting is really unique compared to the other games with it mostly being gothic and dark cityscapes. I think the RE engine could make it look amazing. Why remake a game thats already perfect when you can give a lackluster game a second chance?
It's also worth noting that during the time period DMC2 takes place, not only had Dante 'supposedly' killed Vergil for good, but he'd finally achieved what he set out to do years prior, Avenge his mother. Achieving your life's ambition must leave you pretty directionless afterwards. Add this to the fact that Trish had left him and gone solo during this time period as shown in the anime. It makes perfect sense for Dante to feel pretty depressed. I like to think him becoming a pseudo-mentor figure to lucia managed to pull him out of his funk and encouraged him to reconnect with Lady and Trish.
I always think Lucia deserve her own DMC spin-off game, just like Lady and Trish also need Also DMC2 have my favorite Dante outfit, and very good creepy atmosphere like Mallet Island in DMC1
Things I love about Devil May Cry 2. Im not starting in one place, going to a new place, then going back to the first place. It started costumes that can all be on one file. Dont have to start all over again. If you put in the Super Mode cheat the drawback was no regenerative health. Started Bloody Palace. Started Chapter Select. Where Devil May Cry 1 started changing devil arms mid game, Devil May Cry 2 started changing guns mid game. Started shooting in two different directions. Could shoot rain like. Created the Majin/Sin Devil Trigger mode.
There's a lot they tried to do including 2 separate campaigns with its own missions. There have been rumors of a DMC2 Remake and if they can solidify their ideas and themes better with the time to work on it; I'd be down to play it. I really need devil arms back though
The free running up and backflip off walls was the best part of the gameplay for me, was so fun for me back in the day especially at the time when all the Matrix hype was going strong. I dunno why they never bothered implementing those mechanics again in any of the newer instalments as it was great!
Thank you for doing this game justice. It gets a gross amount of hate to the point of just being snobby. Its asthetics and the story thats told through them are both powerful.
I think DMC2 had a lot of good things going for it! it was the first game to give you very different DT transformations, it gave us a great female character who was also playable and I wish they'd bring her back, and I really like Dante's look in the game. I think what held it back was Capcom being super weird about how they handled sequels to their new IPs at the time. Both DMC and Onimusha got sequels that were completely different from their first games, because they were given to totally different development teams. Not to mention DMC2's original director leaving the project partway through. Its honestly pretty impressive that DMC2 turned out to be any good at all.
Hideki Kamiya even said how Capcom didn't even approach Team Little Devils to create a sequel. He's said that if given the opportunity he'd love to work on another DMC game with Capcom. I'm happy that Itsuno was able to prove himself with DMC 3.
Devil May Cry 2 took place after 4 at one point? Yeah, I'm glad they changed that, Dante being depressed after killing his brother in 1 makes perfect sense to me.
It makes more sense if you take into account that he'd also basically achieved his life goal in avenging his mother AND in the DMC anime which takes place between 1 and 2, Trish had recently left him. It makes sense he'd be pretty depressed
The only reason Capcom put DMC2 after 4 was so that players could skip it, which btw feels really scummy to me cuz they're the ones who decided to launch a sequel to capitalize on the first game without even asking the director of the first game, suddenly they're acting like "no we're with you guys, we also think this game sucks, please", anyway it never made sense to me that DMC2 would take place after 4, what Dante got younger out of nowhere? I'm glad DMCV fixed the timeline while also confirming the anime as canon
My favorite part of Devil May Cry 2 was the island itself. It was almost a character of its own, especially when it started to twist and move like it was coming to life.
Man, I never heard of anyone who had given this game so much love. To be honest, dmc2 isn't a very good game mechanic-wise, but if you get to know it well, and don't try to shoot everything up it could be really fun to play, with advanced combos and even jump canceling. I always liked dmc2 and I know it from the premiere, but never considered it so deep. Some of the dissection you made was really interesting. Thanks for the video.
dude, i really like dmc 2 either is a bad game but a bad game you can like. is my first dmc game and honestly has the best dante's design . and now as a study of magick arts i see they are more references i never noticed i would like to play this game again just to see this references. thank you for the video
I remember having fun with dmc2, I played Dante and Lucia, maybe because I'm Italian but those places, as you showed them, were quite familiar to me and for that reason i was rlly inspired to explore it
@@darkservantofheaven in this particular case it was David de Lautour who played RJ. But Dan Southworth is also amazing and he was a great Power Ranger. Both their characters are very popular.
DMC2 is the silent hill of devil may cry games. People just didn´t get it. Amazing video. Very well analyzed. I thought I knew all there is to about DMC2, but it wasn´t even half of it. I dream of a before the nightmare DLC for DMC5 where we actually got to play Lucia and Dante taking down the Balrog on Dumary.
@@malafakka8530 It has been some time since I wrote that comment, but I think I was referring to how DMC2, with its darker, more desolate atmosphere and heavy use of symbolism and references, reminded me more of a silent hill than a devil may cry game. It was in no way meant as a critique of SH. I like DMC2 and used the comparison as a compliment, which is why I added "People just didn´t get it."
@@marts4169You're conveniently forgetting that the gameplay and combat is boring and a step down from DMC1. The best thing DMC2 did was the mobility like wallrunning and flipping off of walls.
I never bought into the hate for this game, the only way I found out about it's quality was due to playing it myself, my conclusion since it's that the game was mostly disappointingly boring gameplay-wise, but as usual with hate bandwagons, people started overreacting towards it's lacking qualities, it also added up the revelation about it's development hell, a common thing I see tbh, when people get to know something is unfinished they seem to always use it as a negative regardless of the final product's quality, like it happened with MGSV, I think it's a shame that the ammount of effort the artistic team put in this game always goes underappreciated
I loved this game as a 10 year old kid. I never considered the possibility of it being bad, I loved the atmosphere and after seeing the Matrix, I was obsessed with being able to run on walls and duel-wield pistols. I always enjoyed it and was surprised to find everyone hates it. I’ll have to give it another go and see how I feel about it now.
I enjoyed this DMC2 because you know something happened to Dante to make him more serious and less playful as he was once before. Reminds of how we are in life, we are very different when we are older compared to our younger selves. How we change from life and experience. Thanks for the vid, you always put out the best content. 😃
You make it sound like it was planned character development lmao. It's inconsistency. The team that made dmc2 didnt know the character at all, and really anything that made the first game great. Creator Kamiya didnt even know they were making a sequel until they had already begun development, they just didnt tell him. Thankfully Capcom realized dmc2 was a mess in the making and brought in Inafune to try and salvage the wreckage. Dmc2 was already ruined but Inafune managed to turn it around with dmc3 onward.
There were so many things I appreciated about this game, from Dante's downer and quieter personality after going through what he just experienced with Vergil. The enemy designs aesthetic wise were really amazing and well thought through. They really looked Demonic and otherworldly. I honestly prefer DMC 1 and 2's enemy designs to DMC 3's(despite DMC 3 enemies working better in gameplay) Also, the gothic style was toned down from DMC 3 onwards in my opinion. You could take almost any level from DMC 2 and it wouldn't be out of place in a horror game. I also like the story, characters, and the little twist at the end with the coin flip still shows Dante is cocky, but true to his character. Finally, I'm glad they kept the theme going on through all these games of "all this crazy sh*t going on, and it's just another Thursday for Dante". This game wasn't the best, but what it did well, it went all out. (PS. DMC 2 might just have the best Dante outfit in my opinion)
Here’s the things Devil May Cry 2 did right: 1. Coolest Dante design by far 2. The most interesting environments in the series (really, the skyscraper/modern city backdrop is a vibe) 3. The tone was eerie
i always felt like there had to be more to dmc2 than just the laughable combat and unfinished storytelling, it's great to finally hear some of the positive angles the game had to show for itself
I will say, I think Devil May Cry 2 has the best aesthetics in the series. That's purely subjective of course, but I just can't get enough of its style that's like a cross between an old school anime and the cover art of a metal album. It's so over the top edgy that it actually comes off as very comedic, like you just know someone had a blast drawing everything. It's like an 8th grade boy's notebook doodles were turned into a video game, and I daresay I don't think I've seen any other game quite like it.
Been lookin for this angle; it’s not as bad as everyone says, and you nailed why. With the silent thing busted, there’s nothing left for the haters to say.
Thank you for this! I have a soft spot for DMC and the biggest reason is its potential. Also, Lucia has got to be the most underrated character in all of DMC! I sadly doubt we would ever get a remake, but I really hope Lucia gets to return one day!!!
It just so happened that I never played DMC 2&3, but was aware of the negativity surrounding part 2. I am currently playing DMC5 and thought about playing 1-3 or just 2&3. This video got me more interested in 2. Thanks for that regardless of how much I end up liking DMC2.
I've always had a soft spot for dmc2, because it was the game that got me into the series. I remember seeing it in a game informer back in the day and thinking it looked really cool, but I didn't have a ps2 at the time so I never got it. A few years later while buying a used ps2, I saw dmc3 on the shelf, remembered how cool I thought 2 looked and picked it up. Been a fan ever since.
Wait this makes more sense for the anime what apparently in the middle of the first devil my cry game and the second one also on how depressed (?) he felt in the series in general.🤔
Dmc 2 was my first DMC game i played and i enjoyed it it made my a fan of the DMC franchise this game gets too much hate nowadays its very underrated as a DMC game i don't care what the haters say I loved this game
I'm gonna go out on a limb about this game. I think the hate is kind of unjustified. Now, before anyone tries to rip me to pieces for saying that, here's why I think the hate comes off as completely unjustified: I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is, ever, but the way I see it, the hate people seem to have for DMC 2 is basically them saying this: "This is trash because we don't like it. If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for you." I know that sounds so oddly specific, but fanbases can work on some real bullshit logic that just sounds better in their heads. Saying a game is bad because you don't like it isn't good enough, and there are sadly a lot of good, or at least decent games, that fall into that same category a lot. I won't name them here, because that's not the point I'm trying to make. Point is, fanbases have really weird mindsets when it comes to games in franchises that are considered 'black sheeps'. Sometimes, opinions will be too embellished for me to believe them. Edit: Something I forgot to bring up, Dante is a bit more lax and less chipper in the 2008 anime as well, which takes place in between DMCs 1 and 2, so blame that if you don't like how Dante is portrayed in 2.
Dmc 2 is like a diamond with a whole lot of mud caked on it. Theres a tiny bit of shimmer in there but its overshadowed by the bad. I truly do hope they remake it and try to fix the story which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
Lmao, when I first played DMC2 the combat baffles me so I somehow beat the game with only guns because the melee was weird but I love the soundtrack (especially a song called Shoot The Works)
Thank you for making this video. Only few of us love DMC2 despite the rushed development of the game. Honestly i am fed up of people saying this game is a "shoot to win" or "3rd person shooter" and it's designed to only use guns my ass. When i play this game for the first time i have not been forced to use guns all the time. There is sword combos in this game but the game is not mention in the action file. Instead of timing of the button presses like in DMC1 you move the left analog stick during combos like: Dante's Moveset Combo A ➡️🔼🔼🔼 Combo B 🔼🔼🔼🔼 Combo C 🔼🔼🔼➡️🔼🔼 Combo D 🔼🔼➡️🔼🔼🔼🔼 Somersault Kick R1🔼🔼🔼 Somersault Kick Cancel R1🔼🔼⏹🔼🔼⏹🔼🔼 Shoulder Butt (After landing)R1🔼 Here are the movesets i discovered when i play dante's campaign for the first 30min of the game.
Devil May Cry 2 : (Disk 1) Dante is having a Monday Devil May Cry 2 : (Disk 2) Lucia has lots of wasted potential… please bring her back Edit : Aurelius = Stana OPP 13:00
Really appreciate your efforts in this video. It's nice to see someone actually take some time to look for the good things and the potential this game had. Yes it's no where near the rest of the DMC games but it for sure had some good stuff in it. Just a small comment regarding the video quality is the background music. I felt it was much louder than your voice. so just take it for consideration for your future content.
Unpopular opinion : Lucia is the woman Dante should be with, not Lady, let alone Trish. What if DMC6 was about Vergil and Dante having a parallel journey of comitting to love with Nero's mother and Lucia ?
One thing I can add at the top of my head is that not only was Arius the first human antagonist introduced into the series, he was also the most competent. It was revealed that Agnus from DMC4 used to work for the Ouroboros corporation. There has been multiple statements in the DMC lore that Demonic power corrupts humans weather it is in the presence of demons, demonic items like the devil arms etc. Arius was able to harness demonic energy and use it very well. He was able to summon a demon powerful enough to push mid game DMC2 Dante into going devil trigger (That is mostly a power scaling thing that I'm not gonna try to write an essay explaining that here. Plus Arius' company could've provided the world the means to be able to fight demons.
DMC2 gets a lot of hate, but I actually like it despite its huge flaws. The different areas, the symbolism, Lucia's devil trigger form, depressed Dante with best outfit in the series... amazing. I agree, this game deserves a lot more respect. Also thank you for shading Firion, because he deserves nothing else.
I liked DMC2. I agree that the gameplay was not on par with DMC1. Still, like you said above, BEST DANTE DESIGN EVER ! The best outfit & design of the entire series. Dante looked like a Ivan Drago with white / silver hair, very serious look, loved it.
I actually played 3, 1 and 5 (in that order) before 2 but somehow 2 ended up being my most played. Yes it has its issues but I don't understand the universal passionate hatred this game got.
I completely forgot that Arius' company was named Ouroboros. Maybe he and Wesker crossed paths at some point. I mean they're both campy as hell, for one.
great video. nothing can make me like dmc2's gameplay but you really opened my eyes to the storyline of this game. now I wish itsuno would get the chance to go back and flesh out or even finish it. dmc1 and 2 remake collection when?
I remember buying the game and taking it back the same day. It was because I beat the game with both characters and was not impressed like how the first was so challenging for my 13-14yr old self
Gosh! The gameplay of DMC2 is such an interesting subject though? Because it's a huge precursor to later games! DMC2 gave us the moves that eventually became the Trickster and Gunslinger style. (Jumping into the air and then shooting your guns downward. Or standing on the ground and shooting each gun in a different direction. Using the spare face button as a dedicated improved dodge roll over the standard lock and and press jump while holding sideways. Running up and along walls for increased mobility.) And DMC2 gave us a powered up Devil Trigger form, with its own special attacks and abilities. Some of which are strangely similar to the Sin Devil Trigger abilities seen in DMCV! I know that all of these abilities are underdeveloped, and the game is badly balanced around them, badly balanced even to the point where many players just did not know that some of these moves even existed in the game! But it's clear that these ideas were the basis for what eventually became core to later games in the series. I don't know if I want to see DMC2 get a remake though. Can it even be remade? Do you keep Dante depressed or make him fun again? What does that mean for the wider fiction? How much can or should the gameplay be revised? Would Dante keep his Majin Devil Trigger? What does THAT mean for the fiction? I changed my mind. I'd love to see a remake of this game, because then that would mean lots of new discussion about where or even if it fits into the series. My favourite theory has always been that DMC2 is an offshoot timeline where Vergil never had a son and never escaped hell, so Dante is completely alone and has nothing left but to go to hell! I'd love to see what would happen to that theory if we got a remake.
I appreciate you making this video essay about Devil May Cry 2. I love the vibe of that game even if the combat is very repetitive and the main antagonist descends into Saturday Morning Cartoon absurdity. I love the smooth animations and motion capture of Dante in it. And the Instruction Manuals Details about the history, culture and lore of the place that we were going to in Devil May Cry 2 was incredibly fascinating and interesting to me. I also realized how depressed Dante was and detached from life he is post DMC1. Especially with how he chooses to remain in the Demon World at the end of the story. But one thing that really bothers me about the Japanese culture and mentality behind the Devil May Cry franchise is how undeniable pro Feudalism it all is. In the prequel and the sequel, human men who seek to become more than human are presented as being awful and terrible people who are supposedly defying the natural order of creation by seeking to surpassed nature’s imposed limitations upon them. But the half-breeds of human and demon are the only ones in the right, supposedly. This reeks of “Gatekeepers Mentality” does it not?! And then Nero is born. The grandson of Sparda. And the franchise ends with this one bloodline of Sparda being the supreme bloodline. If that’s not racist af, what is?!
That’s an interesting point you bring up. Guys like Arkham were evil for sure, but yeah we haven’t seen a good human trying to get more power. DMC seems to have a theme of how searching for/wanting more power corrupts
Lovely breakdown! You hit every nail directly on the head. I think this game is purposely downplayed just for the fact that it holds the keys to truly understanding the twin concept in the game series and how it connects with time. You have to really dive into mythology and history to say you grasped these games imo. Thanks for this post! Just what I was looking for in reference to the rebis on the pentacle. Also that huge Vergina star with the hermes staff in the center was a very cool clue that the game has deep esoteric meaning.
I played part of one of these games as a toddler, it was the one with the mannequin spider looking things & those weird gibbety corpse enemies, whichever one that was. It was quite fun.
Something I always said was despite my not so fun playthrough of DMC2, I enjoyed a number of aspects to it. I enjoy Dante's look here and I wish Lucia got more love. We often see Trish and Lady and while rightfully so, I would love to see Lucia make a comeback.
This was the first DMC game I ever played. I really didn't know people hated it so much. Such a shame. This will always be my favorite game of the series.
Check out Javelina Devil, credible gameplay source unlike Crowbcat's meme that always gets slammed at my face during the discussion. I have did all the things the channel owner did in their boss runs, and confirm that they actually do work.
I love this. This was made during a time when coolness was in and I think some that designed the look of Shinobi on PS2 had helped with this game. If this got a remake it can easily be the best in the series
I remember by experience with DMC2 when it came out! I sold it and played DMC1 again. Years later I tried again and then realized I had missed nothing because it doesn't matter how good the story and subtext is. It's a hack n' slash game. It should be fun to play and not put me to sleep with boring design and somehow even more boring cutscenes. At the end of the day they tried to be edgy without realizing why everyone loved the first game so much. That's why DMC3 is so awesome and kinda set the standard for future titles. They just did the opposite of DMC2.
This was a great video. On paper, it seems DMC 2 had something going for it, the art and writing team evidently put in genuine effort. The technical side is where the game fell, mostly due to a rushed schedule, and because of that, the art and writing didn't get to be fully realized. It's still a bad game, but it's nice to see that they at least tried with that they had, instead of the rushed cash-grab many think it is.
Devil May Cry 2 has some interesting ideas and themes. Sadly the gameplay and presentation are holding it back. It is, as you said, unfinished. Lucia is by far the best element of this game. I like her human and devil trigger form and I'd love to see her in either a remake (like Resident Evil 2 and 3) or have her back in Devil May Cry 6. Maybe she will even appear in the new animated series. She deserves at least that. Also something I just realized watching your video: Dante has white hair, and red and black clothing; Lucia has red hair, and white and black clothing Since you mentioned the DmC Reboot (in text only), I would be interested to hear your opinion of the Reboot. While I understand why fans disliked the story and the characters in that game, we have to remember that the Dante in that game is essentially a pre-DMC3 Dante (in an alternative universe). The Vergil's Downfall DLC started with Vergil dying from his wound from his fight with Dante, and ends with him being strong enough to kill all his inner demons which in his mind hold him back, and the armies of hell kneeling to him. This DLC really sets up a DmC 2 which in my opinion could have had some elements of DMC3. I still think it's possible for DmC 2 to happen, even with Ninja Theory being part of Microsoft now. I'm sure they wouldn't have an issue with the game even being released on PlayStation. Since multiple games from Microsoft already are on PlayStation and Microsoft even said that they will keep releasing games from the Blizzard acquisition on PlayStation. And I think the DmC and DMC games are different enough for both to co-exist.
Been seeing a lot of videos in recent years defending widely disliked games/movies. Might have to make one myself to vouch for one of my own underappreciated favorites, Star Ocean: Integrity and Faithlessness. Cant say I myself can find much worth liking in dmc2 compared to the rest of the series, but I empathize with the sentiment I guess lol.
Also Muse, Before the Nightmare novel, a prequel before DMCV, mention Dante returning to the island and met Lucia again, even Matier suggesting have Dante make love with her as a reward for waiting.
All the legitimate 1234 revealed the history and lore of the series. Each game realed more about the legendary dark knight Sparda Whos tale was wrapped in a vale of mystery. Throughout each game what he done over the past millennia is solved through Dante and Nero's adventures. While in the reboot Sparda is nothing but a gimp. In DmC2:DMC5 the bait and switch feels disconnected and contradicts what was established before. It's what you get when you make a new world from the amalgamation of two drastically different universes. That hack itsuno loved the reboot and wanted to do a sequel but to his dismay couldn't because it flopped as it should. So here we are with a lackluster tale that shrink and confine the world to a brotherly conflict when that was never the case to begin with. Instead choosing to deny use all of what could have been a great expansion to the word of Devil May Cry. DMC 1 Dante's the end of his quest for vengeance, DMC 2 was Lucia's story, DMC 3 was the beginning of Dante's story, and DMC 4 was Nero's story. DMC "5" is a mess an amalgamation. Bayonetta 1 in my eye is more DMC5 than that crap. As the true successor from the create of the original creator of DMC. Itsuno ruin what could have been a grand finally Dante's inforno level story an yet he chose to leave by cutting a fart. That's how I'll remember him as a big fart as we all should. Goodbye big fart.
@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 The childhood rivalry concluded with Dante defeating Vergil after his self-realization as a son of Sparda. He started off with "I don't have a father" to "We are sons of Sparda". Fulfilling his duty as the sole protector and carrier to his father legacy. He got his retribution after defeating Mundus the demon king responsible for killing his mother and brother. DMC 3>1 is Dante journey while the other games aren't his story he's just along for the ride. DMC5:DmC2 isn't a sequel more of a contradiction and retread. There won't be any 6th after the atrocious mistake of a story.
This video gives me a new appreciation for DMC2. I still probably won't go back and replay it anytime soon, but I like what's showcased here. Dante's drip in DMC2, however, is unrivaled. The outfit is sick, and the DMC2 erasure means we'll likely never see it again. (Also, Final Fantasy 2 may be a garbage game, but I got to murder the main antagonist by turning him into a frog. That's a win in my book.)
More like everyone else fucked up. When the second director came in to salvage the game with only less than a year til release (till now no one knows who the first director was), he found out that the only thing that has been done was the silly stinger move.
I think this game gets way too much hate I'm still at the beginning of it but I'm enjoying the combat way more it feels way more fluid to me and I'm actually liking the story so far because it's told in a bit more of a subtle way between both characters that you play as. I feel like it does a lot more show don't tell and it ends up getting people quite lost because they're not really picking up the symbolism or the hidden depth in the story.
Finally someone defense this part of DMC. And it is my FAVORITE! I played all parts and a lot of times! This part has much more improvements from first one than depravations. And here is improvements: - much more quality fighting system. Because you actually always can avoid/dodge attacks. Yes, first one is a bit more difficulty but more unfinished, because it is pretty bad when you cant avoid attacks. In this part it is really worked out good. Yes, because of that it is a bit simplified, but it is high quality. - improvements in movement system. run on walls, dodge in any direction is very good stuff. And guys, the reason why 4th part doesn't have that in Nero is most likely because you reported that dmc 2 is bad, so we loose a lot of good mechanics from that part. This part is really close to souls like games, and it is times of PS2. - devil trigger is much better. You don't waste huge part of it during activation, it is wasted much less when you only walk, and it consumes more on attacks. Also flying system much better, you can change position vertically, what is really good too. and deprevation: - the only one for now I can say, and this is little bit less variation of attacks then in others. But lets be honest, first one has not much more attacks too and everyone loves that part 😁
U could just avoid attacks by jumping in dmc1, whoch was enough. Also, a downgrade is that instead of improving on the consistent delay combos from dmc1, they decided to add this weird directional combo system that really didn’t work as well. The balancing is also awful, compared to the first game. The guns are almost always the best options. The weapons are also a downgrade. Dmc1 had 3 swords, 4 if u count yamato but that’s omly if u play with LDK costume, but atleast it had ifrit. Dmc2 has just swords. Also, instead of unlocking moves throughout the game with red orbs, that has been replaced with a generic and worse level up system. Oh yeah and the level design is worse aswell. Instead of the tightly crafted levels from the first game, most of the levels in dmc2 are these big empty forgettable spaces. The enemy design is shit aswell. They are super passive and are just so unfun to fight against. Oh yeah and the attacks just feel worse. The animations are worse and much slower (expecially stinger, what the hell did they do to you). The only positives are the devil trigger and without dmc2, we wouldn’t have dmc3, dmc4, DmC and dmc5.
@@B1g_B0sssss with some of your arguments I agree, like some maps are a bit boring. About jumping I remember that in dmc1 I wasn't able to do that, but maybe I'l try again. Anyway, my main thought is that this part is little bit blamed to much. Like there are things for what you can like it. For me its exciting fights, great graphics and easy gameplay. dmc4, 5 & remake better for me, but this one is smthing unique.
@@B1g_B0sssss how to say, they looked cinematically for me. It was easy for me too, but I am hoping that in next difficulties it will be more challenging. But I anyway looking at it positively, it is part for me, in which I can just chill and relax. anyway, it is pretty subjective and depending on taste. But for me, as a fan of dmc 3, 4, 5 & remake it is pretty cool part. Also I like souls like games.
DMC2 is okay. I don’t hate it, but I wouldn’t give it higher than a 7/10 even on a good day. My biggest issue with it is that it’s ultimately pretty boring to play. The story is passable enough I guess. It’s ultimately a meh game with good ideas but bad execution. I’d certainly rather play those other “bad” games over it haha. Well, except for FFII I guess. Regardless of how I feel about it though, it’s always great to hear people talk about why they love stuff. It was definitely a treat to learn about all of this implicit stuff in the game, even if I don’t think it saves the game overall. A remake for this game would definitely be best. I don’t think it should be ultimately forgotten about, even with its issues.
Great video! I was just waiting for a video with a title like this to show up in my recommended feed 😂 I didn't expect you'd cover the topics you did though. Fascinating stuff. I always admire when people are able to find the good in games that are considered bad by the majority, especially to the extent you do in this video. Definitely gonna subscribe. I personally didn't have any fun with DMC2, not least because of the whole game feeling like wasted potential, but regardless this is a really great analysis of DMC2s distinct art style/inspiration... I don't know if this makes it a good game though. If anything it just cements that feeling of wasted potential all the more for me. If the game had the same combat as DMC1, better bosses and enemy AI, that would fix up a lot of the issues for me. I would love to see a return to the art style of the first two DMC, if not a flat out remake of 2.
Call it objectively bad if you want, I still had an objectively fun time playing it. The art was cool, the music was cooler, the battle system I personally forgive on the basis that it did what sequels are supposed to do and give you a new experience while holding onto a familiar formula, that's more than some other game franchises can say. I'll admit it should have stayed in development a little longer before being rushed out, but I liked the ideas it had. The final boss was kinda lame though, but I liked some of their boss ideas leading to it. Like seriously, when was the last time you fought a skyscraper demon? People tend to forget that it was kind of a dry year for games with only a few good ones like Tony Hawk's Underground, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, ect. Most of them were lame sequels and sports games, so this was a welcome reprieve for me back then. That said, I'll take off the rose tinted glasses for a minute and say it was definitely rushed and admittedly was a weaker game in the series compared to later games. But that's kind of the point. You gotta mess up a few times to figure out what works. Plus, the story itself was kind of playing on the safe side, making it pretty dull near the end. So yeah, even after all those nice things I said, it still needs a proper reboot with a few adjustments to basically everything. Adjustments being the keyword.
My biggest issues with DMC2 are thus: 1.) The combat is weak, but mostly because it’s too easy. Most bosses can be burned down with the Devil Trigger, but even when you don’t use it, you can ultimately just shoot them to death from a safe distance. The bosses don’t really test your reflexes, except for Argosax (God what a stupid name). The dedicate dodge roll and default air combos are welcome, and DmC would take these even further years later. It was also the first game to introduce Dante’s sword “Rebellion,” the concept of an end-game boss rush that every other game in the mainline series repeated, and they changed Yellow Orbs to be resurrections instead of mandatory consumables to reload a checkpoint instead of retrying the mission. 2.) The camera is somehow worse than DMC1, which is an achievement. There’s the one boss fight on Dante’s story against Bolverk where the camera feels like it was designed to keep him out of frame. 3.) There’s a serious lack of direction that the other games don’t really have. The scale of the areas is unnecessary and makes it too easy to get lost, especially since some doors require a button prompt to progress, but an overwhelming majority do not, making it hard to know if you’re missing something to progress. My headcanon is that Dante was extremely Jetlagged from the trip over and the plane only had decaf, so his change in character is because he’s too tired to give a shit about anything.
They could've made the chronology to 3-1-2-4 at the start because why DMC2 dante is the oldest in the game when DMC4 dante is way more older because dante in DMC2 looks like on his late 30's while DMC4 dante is on his mid 40's.
As someone who didn't listen to my friends and said "shut up I'm sure it's fine" I played it 3 times There is a lot of good here but it is, forgive my crassness, a stillborn game. Playing it is torment.
Well it actually tried stuff such as making dodging easier thus you dont suffer from dumb camera angles, made a sick outfit for dante and and a sweet customizable devil trigger with an additional majin form, it introduced the rebellion for the first time, introduced moves such as double jump, bullet rain and shooting each weapon to different directions, made weapon and gun switching a lot more easier, it also had different sword combos as well(but they forgot to add a tutorial for each of em for whatever reason), wanted try something different by making dante serious just this once so yeah it wasnt really bad when you look at this way. However we cant ignore some facts such as bad story, difficulty being too easy, huge vast areas where you run for a couple minutes doing nothing, fucked up with how op guns were when they actually tried to make him as powerful as how they were cannonically shown in cutscenes, chopper boss fight and stupid minions like tanks and etc. If they fix these problems, maybe remove a couple boss fights, add new enemies, fix the story difficulty and how weapons work ı m pretty sure ıt ll be one heck of a remake just like re4 Edit: when it comes to lucia maybe just like in dmc5 they should give us an option for wheter ee wanna play with dante or lucia on specific missions.
Really dude? Their many issues with this game and why it's hated. game mechanics, boring/questionable bosses, the lackluster story, enemies being laughably weak, some bad levels design, characters not being interesting, and etc. I'm not trying to sh#! on u for enjoying this game. I'm happy u can found enjoyment in some I can't because that what gaming is about.👍 The game suffer from being in development hell and no clear focus. If their one positive thing I can say, is that the lead developer that got put on this project at the last moment to finish this game. After he finishing it, he saw the potential in what dmc2 could have been and giving the series one go.
@@user-gf2mn6ss5h I just wanted give u knowledge on how one would have problems with this game. If I may ask what make u enjoy this game because I'm interested in ur side of things.
The gameplay is the primary issue. Just look at what you can accomplish with DMC1 and 3 gameplay, and the bosses of those games, the compared to DMC2. The level design can also be a complete nightmare to traverse through. This point is more subjective, but people like a more 'fun' Dante than the overly serious Dante in DMC2. I really don't know how you can't understand all the hate it's received. I started this series with DMC2, and it does have a special place in my heart, but I can recognize when things are of low quality, no matter how much I personally like it.
@@somethingsomething9006 By seeing how people mistreated Sonic 06 back in 2010, and how they mistreat Sonic Forces now, I realized there is no such thing as low quality art, as good and bad are completely subjective, there is only such thing as people either wanting something else or not getting what the piece tried to do. In case of DMC2 it's both. I refuse to bow down to the court of popular opinion! It's not even actually decided by majority, but by a bunch of gatekeeping loudmouths who want to force their subjective opinions down everyone's throat. Stop being a sheep at the whim of the herd.
It was my fave DmC tbh. The DT was latest in the timeline. I can see Dante Shaving after the Virgil’s and Nero culminating. Leading into DmC #2 Dante’s Design in 2 has never been better since. Idc.
While DMC 2 is still being negatively received, I feel Lucia was a welcome addition to the series who many fans, including myself, would like to see more of. She's sefless, heroic, and likeable.
I would argue that she was the real protagonist of the game
I hate when they tell the newcomers to skip DMC2 like it never exist. Shouldn't they just let them play it and have their opinions about it either good or bad?
An show the Lucia's crush on Dante from the Canon novel that show how Dante got ( belrog ).
Found out from a TH-camr, just look for it and you'll find it (• ε •)
I've been waiting years for Lucia to make a comeback, she was the biggest highlight of DMC2 by far.
@@ReluctantWarrior I recently discovered that she appeared in a book that acts as a prequel to DmcV
I hope they remake it someday, confirm Dante's attitude in the game is due to his loss of purpose, and keep the characters but expand the dialogue and bring the combat to proper modern DMC standards.
I think erasing it is also a bad idea, we should elevate it so that it can be loved like the rest.
It won't be erased, now is just another chapter of the DMC anime, confirmed by the summary video on DMC5 lmao
The remake community is funny.
Actually his attitude dose fit it takes place right after the anime n Dante was kinda depressed n didn’t crack jokes n was more serious
@@demonslayerforchrist4174 Yeah I don't want them to change DMC2 Dante's personality, it's very poignant to see this massive shift and it carries a lot of meaning.
I understand DMC 2 was originally set to be the final chapter, but that got retconned after DMC 5 came out. Thinking about it now, I say 2 can still be placed at the end, if only because Dante was the only character to be seen again. Yeah, I know that would mean Vergil, Trish, Lady, and Nero and his friends never came back after 5, or after the 2008 anime... But, I think it works.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you've just singlehandedly convinced me that DMC 2 actually has redeeming qualities and artistic merit, and I would like to see a remake of it now.
Gameplay (hold shoot)
There are things about dmc2 I always liked, and your look into some of the themes gives a nice outline of what the devs may have been trying to do. However, I still think it's a bad game, but that does not mean it has no redeeming qualities. Great video!
Objectively it is a very bad game.
I think dmc2 deserves a remake. There is so much potential especially with how it fits into the current timeline. It'd be a chance for them to actually finish the game and give it depth. The development of dmc2 was rough. We dont even know who the original director is. It really needed better staff and more time in the oven.
The setting is really unique compared to the other games with it mostly being gothic and dark cityscapes. I think the RE engine could make it look amazing.
Why remake a game thats already perfect when you can give a lackluster game a second chance?
definitly a good idea, but they gotta do dmc1 first
Not a remake, remaster.
remake! remake! remake! remake!
@@shadowlancer45shut
It's also worth noting that during the time period DMC2 takes place, not only had Dante 'supposedly' killed Vergil for good, but he'd finally achieved what he set out to do years prior, Avenge his mother. Achieving your life's ambition must leave you pretty directionless afterwards. Add this to the fact that Trish had left him and gone solo during this time period as shown in the anime. It makes perfect sense for Dante to feel pretty depressed. I like to think him becoming a pseudo-mentor figure to lucia managed to pull him out of his funk and encouraged him to reconnect with Lady and Trish.
I always think Lucia deserve her own DMC spin-off game, just like Lady and Trish also need
Also DMC2 have my favorite Dante outfit, and very good creepy atmosphere like Mallet Island in DMC1
I wouldn’t mind go on one of their adventures .
Best thing about DMC2: THE KICKASS SOUNDTRACK. This game has some of the best music in the entire series.
Don't forget about Dante sick badass outfit in DMC2.
some of the boss themes were good but imo Dante’s battle themes were shit
@@n_word_gaming I don't see what there is to hate about them, frankly.
@@Wazzen563 idk they just didn’t sound good at all to me, like a bunch of noises shoved into a song, but music is very subjective
I don't agree, DMC 5 has better soundtrack
Things I love about Devil May Cry 2. Im not starting in one place, going to a new place, then going back to the first place. It started costumes that can all be on one file. Dont have to start all over again. If you put in the Super Mode cheat the drawback was no regenerative health. Started Bloody Palace. Started Chapter Select. Where Devil May Cry 1 started changing devil arms mid game, Devil May Cry 2 started changing guns mid game. Started shooting in two different directions. Could shoot rain like. Created the Majin/Sin Devil Trigger mode.
There's a lot they tried to do including 2 separate campaigns with its own missions. There have been rumors of a DMC2 Remake and if they can solidify their ideas and themes better with the time to work on it; I'd be down to play it. I really need devil arms back though
@LUMINEI they can take my money lol
@thegamingmuse There was an anime series version of Devil May Cry that took place between DMC1 and DMC2.
I have to admit: I had no idea dmc2 could have so many inspirations.
Now I really wish for a remake.
Me too. This has the makings to be the best in yhe series if they go all out and have the city more interactive with people roaming and etc
I'll forever stan DMC2 as the game with the heaviest Soundtrack and best fashion swag in the series 👏😤
The free running up and backflip off walls was the best part of the gameplay for me, was so fun for me back in the day especially at the time when all the Matrix hype was going strong. I dunno why they never bothered implementing those mechanics again in any of the newer instalments as it was great!
It is there in dmc 3
They did. In the style system in DMC3. You can wallrun with Trickster.
Only Muse could rise to the challenge of finding deeper meaning in DMC2. A challenge only Muse posed, but impressive nonetheless lol
Thank you for doing this game justice. It gets a gross amount of hate to the point of just being snobby. Its asthetics and the story thats told through them are both powerful.
I think DMC2 had a lot of good things going for it! it was the first game to give you very different DT transformations, it gave us a great female character who was also playable and I wish they'd bring her back, and I really like Dante's look in the game.
I think what held it back was Capcom being super weird about how they handled sequels to their new IPs at the time. Both DMC and Onimusha got sequels that were completely different from their first games, because they were given to totally different development teams. Not to mention DMC2's original director leaving the project partway through. Its honestly pretty impressive that DMC2 turned out to be any good at all.
Hideki Kamiya even said how Capcom didn't even approach Team Little Devils to create a sequel. He's said that if given the opportunity he'd love to work on another DMC game with Capcom. I'm happy that Itsuno was able to prove himself with DMC 3.
Devil May Cry 2 took place after 4 at one point? Yeah, I'm glad they changed that, Dante being depressed after killing his brother in 1 makes perfect sense to me.
It makes more sense if you take into account that he'd also basically achieved his life goal in avenging his mother AND in the DMC anime which takes place between 1 and 2, Trish had recently left him. It makes sense he'd be pretty depressed
The only reason Capcom put DMC2 after 4 was so that players could skip it, which btw feels really scummy to me cuz they're the ones who decided to launch a sequel to capitalize on the first game without even asking the director of the first game, suddenly they're acting like "no we're with you guys, we also think this game sucks, please", anyway it never made sense to me that DMC2 would take place after 4, what Dante got younger out of nowhere? I'm glad DMCV fixed the timeline while also confirming the anime as canon
My favorite part of Devil May Cry 2 was the island itself. It was almost a character of its own, especially when it started to twist and move like it was coming to life.
Man, I never heard of anyone who had given this game so much love. To be honest, dmc2 isn't a very good game mechanic-wise, but if you get to know it well, and don't try to shoot everything up it could be really fun to play, with advanced combos and even jump canceling. I always liked dmc2 and I know it from the premiere, but never considered it so deep. Some of the dissection you made was really interesting. Thanks for the video.
dude, i really like dmc 2 either is a bad game but a bad game you can like. is my first dmc game and honestly has the best dante's design . and now as a study of magick arts i see they are more references i never noticed i would like to play this game again just to see this references. thank you for the video
I remember having fun with dmc2, I played Dante and Lucia, maybe because I'm Italian but those places, as you showed them, were quite familiar to me and for that reason i was rlly inspired to explore it
While DMC2 gets a lot of flak it did bring a lot that were main stays
-Bloody Palace
-Playable Trish
-Early Sin Devil Trigger
21:07 so the Red King wears red and has white hair, and the White Queen wears white and has red hair. How oddly poetic.
Virgil is played by my favorite Power Rangers actor in this game. I loved this redeeming video.
Dansoithworth is awesome
@@darkservantofheaven in this particular case it was David de Lautour who played RJ. But Dan Southworth is also amazing and he was a great Power Ranger. Both their characters are very popular.
DMC2 is the silent hill of devil may cry games. People just didn´t get it. Amazing video. Very well analyzed. I thought I knew all there is to about DMC2, but it wasn´t even half of it. I dream of a before the nightmare DLC for DMC5 where we actually got to play Lucia and Dante taking down the Balrog on Dumary.
Honest question, what do you mean with the Silent Hill of Devil May Cry games? What is the matter with Silent Hill?
@@malafakka8530 It has been some time since I wrote that comment, but I think I was referring to how DMC2, with its darker, more desolate atmosphere and heavy use of symbolism and references, reminded me more of a silent hill than a devil may cry game. It was in no way meant as a critique of SH. I like DMC2 and used the comparison as a compliment, which is why I added "People just didn´t get it."
@@marts4169 thanks for letting me know. I didn't even see it as criticism. I just couldn't quite make the connection between the two.
No its that the gameplay is very bad and one of the worst in not just dmc but video games in general
@@marts4169You're conveniently forgetting that the gameplay and combat is boring and a step down from DMC1. The best thing DMC2 did was the mobility like wallrunning and flipping off of walls.
This has certainly given me an a new respect for Devil may cry 2!
I never bought into the hate for this game, the only way I found out about it's quality was due to playing it myself, my conclusion since it's that the game was mostly disappointingly boring gameplay-wise, but as usual with hate bandwagons, people started overreacting towards it's lacking qualities, it also added up the revelation about it's development hell, a common thing I see tbh, when people get to know something is unfinished they seem to always use it as a negative regardless of the final product's quality, like it happened with MGSV, I think it's a shame that the ammount of effort the artistic team put in this game always goes underappreciated
I loved this game as a 10 year old kid. I never considered the possibility of it being bad, I loved the atmosphere and after seeing the Matrix, I was obsessed with being able to run on walls and duel-wield pistols. I always enjoyed it and was surprised to find everyone hates it. I’ll have to give it another go and see how I feel about it now.
I enjoyed this DMC2 because you know something happened to Dante to make him more serious and less playful as he was once before. Reminds of how we are in life, we are very different when we are older compared to our younger selves. How we change from life and experience. Thanks for the vid, you always put out the best content. 😃
You make it sound like it was planned character development lmao. It's inconsistency. The team that made dmc2 didnt know the character at all, and really anything that made the first game great. Creator Kamiya didnt even know they were making a sequel until they had already begun development, they just didnt tell him. Thankfully Capcom realized dmc2 was a mess in the making and brought in Inafune to try and salvage the wreckage. Dmc2 was already ruined but Inafune managed to turn it around with dmc3 onward.
There were so many things I appreciated about this game, from Dante's downer and quieter personality after going through what he just experienced with Vergil.
The enemy designs aesthetic wise were really amazing and well thought through. They really looked Demonic and otherworldly. I honestly prefer DMC 1 and 2's enemy designs to DMC 3's(despite DMC 3 enemies working better in gameplay)
Also, the gothic style was toned down from DMC 3 onwards in my opinion. You could take almost any level from DMC 2 and it wouldn't be out of place in a horror game.
I also like the story, characters, and the little twist at the end with the coin flip still shows Dante is cocky, but true to his character.
Finally, I'm glad they kept the theme going on through all these games of "all this crazy sh*t going on, and it's just another Thursday for Dante".
This game wasn't the best, but what it did well, it went all out.
(PS. DMC 2 might just have the best Dante outfit in my opinion)
Here’s the things Devil May Cry 2 did right:
1. Coolest Dante design by far
2. The most interesting environments in the series (really, the skyscraper/modern city backdrop is a vibe)
3. The tone was eerie
Finally a review that doesnt say its shit
i always felt like there had to be more to dmc2 than just the laughable combat and unfinished storytelling, it's great to finally hear some of the positive angles the game had to show for itself
I will say, I think Devil May Cry 2 has the best aesthetics in the series. That's purely subjective of course, but I just can't get enough of its style that's like a cross between an old school anime and the cover art of a metal album. It's so over the top edgy that it actually comes off as very comedic, like you just know someone had a blast drawing everything. It's like an 8th grade boy's notebook doodles were turned into a video game, and I daresay I don't think I've seen any other game quite like it.
Been lookin for this angle; it’s not as bad as everyone says, and you nailed why. With the silent thing busted, there’s nothing left for the haters to say.
Its still the worst dmc game
Thank you for this! I have a soft spot for DMC and the biggest reason is its potential. Also, Lucia has got to be the most underrated character in all of DMC! I sadly doubt we would ever get a remake, but I really hope Lucia gets to return one day!!!
It just so happened that I never played DMC 2&3, but was aware of the negativity surrounding part 2. I am currently playing DMC5 and thought about playing 1-3 or just 2&3. This video got me more interested in 2. Thanks for that regardless of how much I end up liking DMC2.
I've always had a soft spot for dmc2, because it was the game that got me into the series. I remember seeing it in a game informer back in the day and thinking it looked really cool, but I didn't have a ps2 at the time so I never got it. A few years later while buying a used ps2, I saw dmc3 on the shelf, remembered how cool I thought 2 looked and picked it up. Been a fan ever since.
Wait this makes more sense for the anime what apparently in the middle of the first devil my cry game and the second one also on how depressed (?) he felt in the series in general.🤔
I've always loved DMC2. It's got problens sure, but there's a lot to love.
Dmc 2 was my first DMC game i played and i enjoyed it it made my a fan of the DMC franchise this game gets too much hate nowadays its very underrated as a DMC game i don't care what the haters say I loved this game
Dude, this game made me feel like a badass. Best look for dante in original 3 and i love wall running and big dark city
I don't think is a completely terrible game, it had cool ideas, it's just not well executed as a devil may cry, but it's a decent PS2 action game
I'm gonna go out on a limb about this game. I think the hate is kind of unjustified. Now, before anyone tries to rip me to pieces for saying that, here's why I think the hate comes off as completely unjustified: I'm not saying the game is perfect, no game is, ever, but the way I see it, the hate people seem to have for DMC 2 is basically them saying this: "This is trash because we don't like it. If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for you." I know that sounds so oddly specific, but fanbases can work on some real bullshit logic that just sounds better in their heads.
Saying a game is bad because you don't like it isn't good enough, and there are sadly a lot of good, or at least decent games, that fall into that same category a lot. I won't name them here, because that's not the point I'm trying to make. Point is, fanbases have really weird mindsets when it comes to games in franchises that are considered 'black sheeps'. Sometimes, opinions will be too embellished for me to believe them.
Edit: Something I forgot to bring up, Dante is a bit more lax and less chipper in the 2008 anime as well, which takes place in between DMCs 1 and 2, so blame that if you don't like how Dante is portrayed in 2.
Imo dmc2 gothic designs and aesthetic are my favorite in the series. Dmc3 is my favorite game but visually drab at points.
Dmc 2 is like a diamond with a whole lot of mud caked on it. Theres a tiny bit of shimmer in there but its overshadowed by the bad. I truly do hope they remake it and try to fix the story which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
Lmao, when I first played DMC2 the combat baffles me so I somehow beat the game with only guns because the melee was weird but I love the soundtrack (especially a song called Shoot The Works)
Thank you for making this video.
Only few of us love DMC2 despite the rushed development of the game.
Honestly i am fed up of people saying this game is a "shoot to win" or "3rd person shooter" and it's designed to only use guns my ass. When i play this game for the first time i have not been forced to use guns all the time. There is sword combos in this game but the game is not mention in the action file. Instead of timing of the button presses like in DMC1 you move the left analog stick during combos like:
Dante's Moveset
Combo A
➡️🔼🔼🔼
Combo B
🔼🔼🔼🔼
Combo C
🔼🔼🔼➡️🔼🔼
Combo D
🔼🔼➡️🔼🔼🔼🔼
Somersault Kick
R1🔼🔼🔼
Somersault Kick Cancel
R1🔼🔼⏹🔼🔼⏹🔼🔼
Shoulder Butt
(After landing)R1🔼
Here are the movesets i discovered when i play dante's campaign for the first 30min of the game.
Devil May Cry 2 : (Disk 1) Dante is having a Monday
Devil May Cry 2 : (Disk 2) Lucia has lots of wasted potential… please bring her back
Edit : Aurelius = Stana OPP 13:00
Really appreciate your efforts in this video. It's nice to see someone actually take some time to look for the good things and the potential this game had. Yes it's no where near the rest of the DMC games but it for sure had some good stuff in it. Just a small comment regarding the video quality is the background music. I felt it was much louder than your voice. so just take it for consideration for your future content.
there's some things to love about this game, but actually playing it bored me endlessly. one of the most unfun experiences I had gaming as a child
Unpopular opinion : Lucia is the woman Dante should be with, not Lady, let alone Trish.
What if DMC6 was about Vergil and Dante having a parallel journey of comitting to love with Nero's mother and Lucia ?
One thing I can add at the top of my head is that not only was Arius the first human antagonist introduced into the series, he was also the most competent. It was revealed that Agnus from DMC4 used to work for the Ouroboros corporation. There has been multiple statements in the DMC lore that Demonic power corrupts humans weather it is in the presence of demons, demonic items like the devil arms etc. Arius was able to harness demonic energy and use it very well. He was able to summon a demon powerful enough to push mid game DMC2 Dante into going devil trigger (That is mostly a power scaling thing that I'm not gonna try to write an essay explaining that here. Plus Arius' company could've provided the world the means to be able to fight demons.
DMC2 gets a lot of hate, but I actually like it despite its huge flaws. The different areas, the symbolism, Lucia's devil trigger form, depressed Dante with best outfit in the series... amazing. I agree, this game deserves a lot more respect.
Also thank you for shading Firion, because he deserves nothing else.
I liked DMC2. I agree that the gameplay was not on par with DMC1. Still, like you said above, BEST DANTE DESIGN EVER ! The best outfit & design of the entire series. Dante looked like a Ivan Drago with white / silver hair, very serious look, loved it.
@@Factboy12 yeah, gameplay was lacking. It's a pity. But it has some great stuff and yeah, Dante looks amazing. Mature. I love that.
@@Factboy12 always had that hair
I actually played 3, 1 and 5 (in that order) before 2 but somehow 2 ended up being my most played. Yes it has its issues but I don't understand the universal passionate hatred this game got.
DMC2 haters when they hear the OST: 💃💃💃
I completely forgot that Arius' company was named Ouroboros. Maybe he and Wesker crossed paths at some point.
I mean they're both campy as hell, for one.
great video. nothing can make me like dmc2's gameplay but you really opened my eyes to the storyline of this game. now I wish itsuno would get the chance to go back and flesh out or even finish it. dmc1 and 2 remake collection when?
Well thanks to DMC 2 THE WE HAD DMC 3 4 5 WITH STYLISH SYSTEM
I remember buying the game and taking it back the same day. It was because I beat the game with both characters and was not impressed like how the first was so challenging for my 13-14yr old self
Gosh! The gameplay of DMC2 is such an interesting subject though? Because it's a huge precursor to later games!
DMC2 gave us the moves that eventually became the Trickster and Gunslinger style. (Jumping into the air and then shooting your guns downward. Or standing on the ground and shooting each gun in a different direction. Using the spare face button as a dedicated improved dodge roll over the standard lock and and press jump while holding sideways. Running up and along walls for increased mobility.)
And DMC2 gave us a powered up Devil Trigger form, with its own special attacks and abilities. Some of which are strangely similar to the Sin Devil Trigger abilities seen in DMCV!
I know that all of these abilities are underdeveloped, and the game is badly balanced around them, badly balanced even to the point where many players just did not know that some of these moves even existed in the game! But it's clear that these ideas were the basis for what eventually became core to later games in the series.
I don't know if I want to see DMC2 get a remake though. Can it even be remade? Do you keep Dante depressed or make him fun again? What does that mean for the wider fiction? How much can or should the gameplay be revised? Would Dante keep his Majin Devil Trigger? What does THAT mean for the fiction? I changed my mind. I'd love to see a remake of this game, because then that would mean lots of new discussion about where or even if it fits into the series. My favourite theory has always been that DMC2 is an offshoot timeline where Vergil never had a son and never escaped hell, so Dante is completely alone and has nothing left but to go to hell! I'd love to see what would happen to that theory if we got a remake.
I appreciate you making this video essay about Devil May Cry 2. I love the vibe of that game even if the combat is very repetitive and the main antagonist descends into Saturday Morning Cartoon absurdity.
I love the smooth animations and motion capture of Dante in it. And the Instruction Manuals Details about the history, culture and lore of the place that we were going to in Devil May Cry 2 was incredibly fascinating and interesting to me.
I also realized how depressed Dante was and detached from life he is post DMC1. Especially with how he chooses to remain in the Demon World at the end of the story.
But one thing that really bothers me about the Japanese culture and mentality behind the Devil May Cry franchise is how undeniable pro Feudalism it all is.
In the prequel and the sequel, human men who seek to become more than human are presented as being awful and terrible people who are supposedly defying the natural order of creation by seeking to surpassed nature’s imposed limitations upon them.
But the half-breeds of human and demon are the only ones in the right, supposedly. This reeks of “Gatekeepers Mentality” does it not?!
And then Nero is born. The grandson of Sparda. And the franchise ends with this one bloodline of Sparda being the supreme bloodline.
If that’s not racist af, what is?!
That’s an interesting point you bring up. Guys like Arkham were evil for sure, but yeah we haven’t seen a good human trying to get more power. DMC seems to have a theme of how searching for/wanting more power corrupts
Lovely breakdown! You hit every nail directly on the head. I think this game is purposely downplayed just for the fact that it holds the keys to truly understanding the twin concept in the game series and how it connects with time. You have to really dive into mythology and history to say you grasped these games imo. Thanks for this post! Just what I was looking for in reference to the rebis on the pentacle. Also that huge Vergina star with the hermes staff in the center was a very cool clue that the game has deep esoteric meaning.
I played part of one of these games as a toddler, it was the one with the mannequin spider looking things & those weird gibbety corpse enemies, whichever one that was. It was quite fun.
First one
@@pimpdemon9458 Thx.
Something I always said was despite my not so fun playthrough of DMC2, I enjoyed a number of aspects to it. I enjoy Dante's look here and I wish Lucia got more love. We often see Trish and Lady and while rightfully so, I would love to see Lucia make a comeback.
very impressive knowledge of mythology and occult symbolism to piece alltogether, very cool. 😄
This was the first DMC game I ever played. I really didn't know people hated it so much. Such a shame. This will always be my favorite game of the series.
Check out Javelina Devil, credible gameplay source unlike Crowbcat's meme that always gets slammed at my face during the discussion. I have did all the things the channel owner did in their boss runs, and confirm that they actually do work.
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I love this. This was made during a time when coolness was in and I think some that designed the look of Shinobi on PS2 had helped with this game. If this got a remake it can easily be the best in the series
You can't seriously say this is your favorite
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 it is and I don’t care what others think about it, give it a shot sometime bud.
What boils down to without the features in the mechanics of Devil may cry 2, then we wouldn’t have the fun series of games that we come to know.
I remember by experience with DMC2 when it came out! I sold it and played DMC1 again. Years later I tried again and then realized I had missed nothing because it doesn't matter how good the story and subtext is. It's a hack n' slash game. It should be fun to play and not put me to sleep with boring design and somehow even more boring cutscenes.
At the end of the day they tried to be edgy without realizing why everyone loved the first game so much. That's why DMC3 is so awesome and kinda set the standard for future titles. They just did the opposite of DMC2.
Thanks for this video, I needed this explanation! :)
This was a great video. On paper, it seems DMC 2 had something going for it, the art and writing team evidently put in genuine effort. The technical side is where the game fell, mostly due to a rushed schedule, and because of that, the art and writing didn't get to be fully realized. It's still a bad game, but it's nice to see that they at least tried with that they had, instead of the rushed cash-grab many think it is.
🗡👹🤕"Thank you Thank Thank you"🗡👹😭...I love devil may cry 2 as much as the others
Devil May Cry 2 has some interesting ideas and themes.
Sadly the gameplay and presentation are holding it back. It is, as you said, unfinished.
Lucia is by far the best element of this game.
I like her human and devil trigger form and I'd love to see her in either a remake (like Resident Evil 2 and 3) or have her back in Devil May Cry 6.
Maybe she will even appear in the new animated series. She deserves at least that.
Also something I just realized watching your video: Dante has white hair, and red and black clothing; Lucia has red hair, and white and black clothing
Since you mentioned the DmC Reboot (in text only), I would be interested to hear your opinion of the Reboot.
While I understand why fans disliked the story and the characters in that game, we have to remember that the Dante in that game is essentially a pre-DMC3 Dante (in an alternative universe).
The Vergil's Downfall DLC started with Vergil dying from his wound from his fight with Dante, and ends with him being strong enough to kill all his inner demons which in his mind hold him back, and the armies of hell kneeling to him.
This DLC really sets up a DmC 2 which in my opinion could have had some elements of DMC3.
I still think it's possible for DmC 2 to happen, even with Ninja Theory being part of Microsoft now. I'm sure they wouldn't have an issue with the game even being released on PlayStation.
Since multiple games from Microsoft already are on PlayStation and Microsoft even said that they will keep releasing games from the Blizzard acquisition on PlayStation.
And I think the DmC and DMC games are different enough for both to co-exist.
Been seeing a lot of videos in recent years defending widely disliked games/movies. Might have to make one myself to vouch for one of my own underappreciated favorites, Star Ocean: Integrity and Faithlessness.
Cant say I myself can find much worth liking in dmc2 compared to the rest of the series, but I empathize with the sentiment I guess lol.
*Tidus laugh
@@TheRetroPerspective lol yeah...
@@FiveFingerOutfit hit me up when you do the Star Ocean vid, I'll make a response.
@@TheRetroPerspective Oh cool, that'd be fun.
Your sensibilities are divine, muse. Thanks for this excellent re-evaluation.
Also Muse, Before the Nightmare novel, a prequel before DMCV, mention Dante returning to the island and met Lucia again, even Matier suggesting have Dante make love with her as a reward for waiting.
All the legitimate 1234 revealed the history and lore of the series.
Each game realed more about the legendary dark knight Sparda
Whos tale was wrapped in a vale of mystery.
Throughout each game what he done over the past millennia is solved through Dante and Nero's adventures. While in the reboot Sparda is nothing but a gimp. In DmC2:DMC5 the bait and switch feels disconnected and contradicts what was established before. It's what you get when you make a new world from the amalgamation of two drastically different universes.
That hack itsuno loved the reboot and wanted to do a sequel but to his dismay couldn't because it flopped as it should.
So here we are with a lackluster tale that shrink and confine the world to a brotherly conflict when that was never the case to begin with.
Instead choosing to deny use all of what could have been a great expansion to the word of Devil May Cry.
DMC 1 Dante's the end of his quest for vengeance, DMC 2 was Lucia's story, DMC 3 was the beginning of Dante's story, and DMC 4 was Nero's story.
DMC "5" is a mess an amalgamation.
Bayonetta 1 in my eye is more DMC5 than that crap. As the true successor from the create of the original creator of DMC.
Itsuno ruin what could have been a grand finally Dante's inforno level story an yet he chose to leave by cutting a fart. That's how I'll remember him as a big fart as we all should. Goodbye big fart.
Hey maybe if we get a dmc6 with a new director we can get out of the Dante/Vergil rivalry, they seemed to have made amends by the end of 5
@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099 The childhood rivalry concluded with Dante defeating Vergil after his self-realization as a son of Sparda.
He started off with "I don't have a father" to "We are sons of Sparda".
Fulfilling his duty as the sole protector and carrier to his father legacy.
He got his retribution after defeating Mundus the demon king responsible for killing his mother and brother. DMC 3>1 is Dante journey while the other games aren't his story he's just along for the ride.
DMC5:DmC2 isn't a sequel more of a contradiction and retread.
There won't be any 6th after the atrocious mistake of a story.
This video gives me a new appreciation for DMC2. I still probably won't go back and replay it anytime soon, but I like what's showcased here. Dante's drip in DMC2, however, is unrivaled. The outfit is sick, and the DMC2 erasure means we'll likely never see it again.
(Also, Final Fantasy 2 may be a garbage game, but I got to murder the main antagonist by turning him into a frog. That's a win in my book.)
Sooooo... The Art director of the game did an amazing job but the script writer fuck everything up?
More like everyone else fucked up. When the second director came in to salvage the game with only less than a year til release (till now no one knows who the first director was), he found out that the only thing that has been done was the silly stinger move.
@@NerfMaster000 fair enough. You're right.
I like Dmc 2 and lucia is my favorite character from Dmc
I think this game gets way too much hate I'm still at the beginning of it but I'm enjoying the combat way more it feels way more fluid to me and I'm actually liking the story so far because it's told in a bit more of a subtle way between both characters that you play as. I feel like it does a lot more show don't tell and it ends up getting people quite lost because they're not really picking up the symbolism or the hidden depth in the story.
At least SOMEONE appreciates it.
Finally someone defense this part of DMC. And it is my FAVORITE! I played all parts and a lot of times!
This part has much more improvements from first one than depravations.
And here is improvements:
- much more quality fighting system. Because you actually always can avoid/dodge attacks. Yes, first one is a bit more difficulty but more unfinished, because it is pretty bad when you cant avoid attacks. In this part it is really worked out good. Yes, because of that it is a bit simplified, but it is high quality.
- improvements in movement system. run on walls, dodge in any direction is very good stuff. And guys, the reason why 4th part doesn't have that in Nero is most likely because you reported that dmc 2 is bad, so we loose a lot of good mechanics from that part. This part is really close to souls like games, and it is times of PS2.
- devil trigger is much better. You don't waste huge part of it during activation, it is wasted much less when you only walk, and it consumes more on attacks. Also flying system much better, you can change position vertically, what is really good too.
and deprevation:
- the only one for now I can say, and this is little bit less variation of attacks then in others. But lets be honest, first one has not much more attacks too and everyone loves that part 😁
U could just avoid attacks by jumping in dmc1, whoch was enough. Also, a downgrade is that instead of improving on the consistent delay combos from dmc1, they decided to add this weird directional combo system that really didn’t work as well. The balancing is also awful, compared to the first game. The guns are almost always the best options. The weapons are also a downgrade. Dmc1 had 3 swords, 4 if u count yamato but that’s omly if u play with LDK costume, but atleast it had ifrit. Dmc2 has just swords. Also, instead of unlocking moves throughout the game with red orbs, that has been replaced with a generic and worse level up system. Oh yeah and the level design is worse aswell. Instead of the tightly crafted levels from the first game, most of the levels in dmc2 are these big empty forgettable spaces. The enemy design is shit aswell. They are super passive and are just so unfun to fight against. Oh yeah and the attacks just feel worse. The animations are worse and much slower (expecially stinger, what the hell did they do to you). The only positives are the devil trigger and without dmc2, we wouldn’t have dmc3, dmc4, DmC and dmc5.
@@B1g_B0sssss with some of your arguments I agree, like some maps are a bit boring.
About jumping I remember that in dmc1 I wasn't able to do that, but maybe I'l try again.
Anyway, my main thought is that this part is little bit blamed to much. Like there are things for what you can like it.
For me its exciting fights, great graphics and easy gameplay. dmc4, 5 & remake better for me, but this one is smthing unique.
@@tematoscybersage5626 the easy gameplay is one of the reasons this game was hated. Also, exciting fights? U mean the bosses? They suck ass.
@@B1g_B0sssss how to say, they looked cinematically for me.
It was easy for me too, but I am hoping that in next difficulties it will be more challenging. But I anyway looking at it positively, it is part for me, in which I can just chill and relax.
anyway, it is pretty subjective and depending on taste. But for me, as a fan of dmc 3, 4, 5 & remake it is pretty cool part. Also I like souls like games.
@@tematoscybersage5626 CINEMATIC??? 😭😭😭 they r barely cinematic.
Dmc 2 was my first dmc game and I couldn't say it's bad,....but compared to the rest of the franchise it's definitely a black sheep
DMC2 is okay. I don’t hate it, but I wouldn’t give it higher than a 7/10 even on a good day. My biggest issue with it is that it’s ultimately pretty boring to play. The story is passable enough I guess. It’s ultimately a meh game with good ideas but bad execution. I’d certainly rather play those other “bad” games over it haha. Well, except for FFII I guess. Regardless of how I feel about it though, it’s always great to hear people talk about why they love stuff. It was definitely a treat to learn about all of this implicit stuff in the game, even if I don’t think it saves the game overall. A remake for this game would definitely be best. I don’t think it should be ultimately forgotten about, even with its issues.
Great video! I was just waiting for a video with a title like this to show up in my recommended feed 😂 I didn't expect you'd cover the topics you did though. Fascinating stuff. I always admire when people are able to find the good in games that are considered bad by the majority, especially to the extent you do in this video. Definitely gonna subscribe.
I personally didn't have any fun with DMC2, not least because of the whole game feeling like wasted potential, but regardless this is a really great analysis of DMC2s distinct art style/inspiration... I don't know if this makes it a good game though. If anything it just cements that feeling of wasted potential all the more for me.
If the game had the same combat as DMC1, better bosses and enemy AI, that would fix up a lot of the issues for me. I would love to see a return to the art style of the first two DMC, if not a flat out remake of 2.
I def agree the game shouldn't face erasure as you say towards the end. It definitely deserves a remake.
Thank you for making this. I never would have learned any of this and developed an appreciation for this game's narrative without it.
The story was decent however the game was just so damn easy
Lucia is in a cannon novel that tells the story leading up to DMC5.
Call it objectively bad if you want, I still had an objectively fun time playing it. The art was cool, the music was cooler, the battle system I personally forgive on the basis that it did what sequels are supposed to do and give you a new experience while holding onto a familiar formula, that's more than some other game franchises can say. I'll admit it should have stayed in development a little longer before being rushed out, but I liked the ideas it had. The final boss was kinda lame though, but I liked some of their boss ideas leading to it. Like seriously, when was the last time you fought a skyscraper demon? People tend to forget that it was kind of a dry year for games with only a few good ones like Tony Hawk's Underground, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, ect. Most of them were lame sequels and sports games, so this was a welcome reprieve for me back then.
That said, I'll take off the rose tinted glasses for a minute and say it was definitely rushed and admittedly was a weaker game in the series compared to later games. But that's kind of the point. You gotta mess up a few times to figure out what works. Plus, the story itself was kind of playing on the safe side, making it pretty dull near the end. So yeah, even after all those nice things I said, it still needs a proper reboot with a few adjustments to basically everything. Adjustments being the keyword.
My biggest issues with DMC2 are thus:
1.) The combat is weak, but mostly because it’s too easy. Most bosses can be burned down with the Devil Trigger, but even when you don’t use it, you can ultimately just shoot them to death from a safe distance. The bosses don’t really test your reflexes, except for Argosax (God what a stupid name). The dedicate dodge roll and default air combos are welcome, and DmC would take these even further years later. It was also the first game to introduce Dante’s sword “Rebellion,” the concept of an end-game boss rush that every other game in the mainline series repeated, and they changed Yellow Orbs to be resurrections instead of mandatory consumables to reload a checkpoint instead of retrying the mission.
2.) The camera is somehow worse than DMC1, which is an achievement. There’s the one boss fight on Dante’s story against Bolverk where the camera feels like it was designed to keep him out of frame.
3.) There’s a serious lack of direction that the other games don’t really have. The scale of the areas is unnecessary and makes it too easy to get lost, especially since some doors require a button prompt to progress, but an overwhelming majority do not, making it hard to know if you’re missing something to progress.
My headcanon is that Dante was extremely Jetlagged from the trip over and the plane only had decaf, so his change in character is because he’s too tired to give a shit about anything.
If Capcom decides to remake the og DMC franchise, they should def start with 2. Ez money
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The hell you mean ez money?
That is not easy money that is the exact opposite
great vid dissecting the artwork and context. Thank you
They could've made the chronology to 3-1-2-4 at the start because why DMC2 dante is the oldest in the game when DMC4 dante is way more older because dante in DMC2 looks like on his late 30's while DMC4 dante is on his mid 40's.
As someone who didn't listen to my friends and said "shut up I'm sure it's fine"
I played it 3 times
There is a lot of good here but it is, forgive my crassness, a stillborn game. Playing it is torment.
Well it actually tried stuff such as making dodging easier thus you dont suffer from dumb camera angles, made a sick outfit for dante and and a sweet customizable devil trigger with an additional majin form, it introduced the rebellion for the first time, introduced moves such as double jump, bullet rain and shooting each weapon to different directions, made weapon and gun switching a lot more easier, it also had different sword combos as well(but they forgot to add a tutorial for each of em for whatever reason), wanted try something different by making dante serious just this once so yeah it wasnt really bad when you look at this way. However we cant ignore some facts such as bad story, difficulty being too easy, huge vast areas where you run for a couple minutes doing nothing, fucked up with how op guns were when they actually tried to make him as powerful as how they were cannonically shown in cutscenes, chopper boss fight and stupid minions like tanks and etc. If they fix these problems, maybe remove a couple boss fights, add new enemies, fix the story difficulty and how weapons work ı m pretty sure ıt ll be one heck of a remake just like re4
Edit: when it comes to lucia maybe just like in dmc5 they should give us an option for wheter ee wanna play with dante or lucia on specific missions.
Subscribed! Loved the video so much. Devil May Cry 2 is one of my favourite games. Thank you for this ♥️
While your research is fascinating, it's still doesn't excuse the game being terrible. But I admire your research.
I always enjoyed this game and never understood all the hate it received
Really dude? Their many issues with this game and why it's hated. game mechanics, boring/questionable bosses, the lackluster story, enemies being laughably weak, some bad levels design, characters not being interesting, and etc. I'm not trying to sh#! on u for enjoying this game. I'm happy u can found enjoyment in some I can't because that what gaming is about.👍 The game suffer from being in development hell and no clear focus. If their one positive thing I can say, is that the lead developer that got put on this project at the last moment to finish this game. After he finishing it, he saw the potential in what dmc2 could have been and giving the series one go.
@@superj7771 Never said it was perfect but for me personally it was fun. I just don't believe its as bad as they say but hey, thats just my opinion
@@user-gf2mn6ss5h I just wanted give u knowledge on how one would have problems with this game. If I may ask what make u enjoy this game because I'm interested in ur side of things.
The gameplay is the primary issue. Just look at what you can accomplish with DMC1 and 3 gameplay, and the bosses of those games, the compared to DMC2. The level design can also be a complete nightmare to traverse through.
This point is more subjective, but people like a more 'fun' Dante than the overly serious Dante in DMC2.
I really don't know how you can't understand all the hate it's received. I started this series with DMC2, and it does have a special place in my heart, but I can recognize when things are of low quality, no matter how much I personally like it.
@@somethingsomething9006 By seeing how people mistreated Sonic 06 back in 2010, and how they mistreat Sonic Forces now, I realized there is no such thing as low quality art, as good and bad are completely subjective, there is only such thing as people either wanting something else or not getting what the piece tried to do. In case of DMC2 it's both. I refuse to bow down to the court of popular opinion! It's not even actually decided by majority, but by a bunch of gatekeeping loudmouths who want to force their subjective opinions down everyone's throat. Stop being a sheep at the whim of the herd.
It was my fave DmC tbh. The DT was latest in the timeline. I can see Dante Shaving after the Virgil’s and Nero culminating.
Leading into DmC #2
Dante’s Design in 2 has never been better since.
Idc.