World War 2: USMC Personal First Aid Kits and Pouches | Collector's & History Corner
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USMC Personal First Aid Kits and Pouches
The first aid kit and pouch were issued to every Marine deployed. It was an essential part of his 782 gear which hung off his combat belt. The kit included a bandage and a type of sulfur powder. Later in the water, larger "jungle first aid kits" were developed to carry insect repellent, water purification tablets, and iodine.
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"Army gets all the new stuff while we fight with shit my grandfather used." -The Pacific
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While clearly FMF and AGF were using some different equipment, I see little by way of historical evidences to support the conventional wisdom the “Army got the good stuff and Marines the leftovers”. Marines for example actually got the first 400 Rifle M-1 off the Springfield assembly line, identified some of the early flaws in doing so, with command deciding as a result on a policy of “front line from the rear” issuance in order to ensure only FMF would be armed with the more refined versions. This explains in no small measure the scene in HBO Series “The Pacific”, were FMF seen stealing Rifle M-1 from the Army. Also the fact is many of the Marine “old breed” couldn’t envision fighting a war without their venerable bolt-action rifles. As a result, commencing
April 1941, 3,000 Rifle M-1 were allocated to USMC, but they were assigned first to non-FMF units assigned guard duties inside the continental US, leaving FMF with bolt-action rifles. In sum, what we think we observe is actually a product of USMC decisionmaking, not some nefarious plot favoring AGF over FMF.
To cite an equipment example, Canteen Porcelain M-1942, which today perversely IS widely associated with Marines, is of course a US Army Quartermaster developed, field and laboratory tested, and procured item. However, of the roughly 4 million porcelain canteens produced, less than 337,000 porcelain canteens delivered to the USMC in the three-month period April 15-July 16, 1942, and the reason few ended up in hands and on lips of FMF again, like Rifle M-1, was a result of USMC decisionmaking, not some bias against them. Based on reports shared by the Army QM Philadelphia Depot to his USMC counterpart dated 09/21/42 subject “New Type Army Canteen and Cup, Canteen”, observing “the canteen and cup are so constructed that the least little knock will cause the enamel to chip”, Maj. Gen. John H. Russell, Commandant, USMC, issued a wide distribution memo dated October 5, 1942 as follows: “All accountable officers within the United States except FMF (Fleet Marine Force) units to return all serviceable aluminum canteens and cups now on hand and in use, to depots from which supplies are usually obtained. The aluminum canteen and cups to be replaced by those having enamel coating”. So not like Rifle M-1, if you were a Marine engaging the Japanese early on say Guadalcanal, you were doing so with an older WW1-vintage aluminum canteen, and undoubtedly like 147th IR doing the same fighting on Mt. Austen and like Marines, using field mess equipment of WW1 vintage. AGF and FMF, particularly early in the War, were just as likely to be using Fork Sheet Steel Tin-plated M1910 marked “NES CO”, supplied by National Enameling and Stamping Company, Baltimore, MD. and dated 1918, than a M-1926 fork which didn’t go into production before 1940.
This and other research thus concludes the evidence actually points in the opposite direction from the conventional wisdom. IF Fleet Marines were by some objective measure “less well-equipped” than their Army counterparts, particularly early in the War when both were dealing with similar logistics and an inventory of equipment largely of WW1 origins, then the proximate cause of the photographic and other evidences we now observe, to include decisions made by the props department of the makers of The Pacific, with a screenplay using both E.B. Sledge’s “With the Old Breed” and Robert Leckie’s “Helmet for My Pillow” as source documents, rests with decisions made by the Marines themselves, and not some plot to deny them “the good stuff”.
In sum, the historical record more strongly supports a conclusion, particularly early in the War, that whether you AGF or FMF, the Country was largely unprepared to fight what in many respects is better thought of as the second phase of the 20th Century’s world war, separated for America by a armistice lasting just about 23 years.
The wound tablets are basically just sulfanilamide in tablet form. The idea is you take one tablet every 10-15 mins and it's like a cycle of antibiotics so the wound doesn't spread infection throughout the rest of the body
If the carlisle tins are painted red, it indicates that they have had sulfanimide placed in them, which may have required them to be opened and resterilized.
On my USN Corpsman kit I wear a jungle kit with the lower pouch as well, but I customize my gear inside as a lot of guys did. I carry everything I need to keep close. So things like a bandage, halazone, insect repellent. I also keep my tourniquet, foot powder box, and bandaids. In the lower pouch I carry just a 1943 box carlisle.
glad I found this channel. loving hearing about the old gear. I have a battle map of some island. it was printed on ship on one of those blue ink repro machines and says "destroy before going ashore" it was in a 4th marine div. book I got.
Great collection!!!
I've always noticed the ww2 tanker helmet in the background can you do a video talking about a tankers kit?
Awesome channel and very interesting.
I,ve got two from ww1 sealed still with paint one from 1918 and a very battered one from 1916 I love then
I never realized that the grommets in the bottom of the later pouches was for. They kept the grommets right up until that style of pouch was discontinued with the adoption of MOLLE gear.
I would find pretty cool if someone would still use one of these yet the contents would be by modern day standards,
Those last two FA kits aren't if I was still doing bushcraft one of those updated would work great!! Also th e roll would be coolto.! How about a medics kit??
So were Marines issued army and or navy first aid packets in ww1 only? And if so which was the common one for a Marine to carry 1917- 1918?
Nice
I have a canteen cover marked USMC that I would like to show you to see if you can tell me anything about it. How can I aharea picture with you?
Actually those jungle first aid pouches were ment for army
Correct they were contracted out by the Army. The Marine Corps got them through Army supply
Joe A like they did with a lot of their gear hehehe and question what is that helmet you see in the beggining with the cover and chincup I've never seen it before
It is a regular M1 helmet with a repro cover. It happens to be the one I use to reenact with. BUT what you see is what's under it it is the USMC marked leather jump helmet that Paramarines used during jump training. I just realized I should have included it in the helmet video Chris just posted. We will include it in a future video about specific Paramarine equipment uniforms and weapons.
Joe A cool thanks Joe
I wAs in the AF in the 70's I wAs sent to inventory an Air Transportabl Hospital .Think Army MASH we had .stuff from Korea this just after Vam!!
Did the m2 jungle first aid kit come with different contents depending on manufacturer?
Yeah, sometimes it came filled with hard candy
You sure mate
Do you know what a Carlisle model first aid pack is worth? A friend gave me one a few years and I never knew what their value was.
What is the date and it's it good condition? Most I've ever paid would be 20 bucks
WWII USMC I can't find a date, unless it's on the inside, and there is a dent on the front.
Is it a dark Green type of color
Yes
Sorry for a late response. Probably not worth much. Almost every guy carries an original. Maybe 15 bucks.
where do you get all this
This is quite late but you can find this stuff from collectors selling their stuff at places like gun shows or you can find one at a thrift store
It's funny how this guy doesn't think people knew about reissued items lol
I agree
i had one of last ones in my esar gear new med s sadley the drug addic thinking make money stole it
Nice