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I think the 30 amp setting is from the grid not the battery amps. so 240 x 30=7200watts. 7200/48=150 amps to battery. Just an idea.
@@rodneyhunt yes I thought that too, that's why I posted the manual to show that it's the DC battery charging amperage setting. Not ac input. I thought what you thought right after I had the 30A breaker flip.
I have an epever upower HI series all in one inverter (3000 or 5000), i have the 3000. Its a pretty good inverter and cost me £550 which is very cheap. Only downside is no scheduled charging from grid and lack of any bluetooth. So i use a shunt (junctek 140f) and contacts to turn on and off charging at cheap rate via wifi smart plug. Would be a good one to review.. Best for the money imo, i looked at them all.
I hate HMI touch screens they're very problematic vs a old school switch and button setup.
@@Bigdaddyslasher I agree, the touch screens are problematic, but this unit is also suppose to be able to be mounted outside. Waterproofing would be harder with manual switches.
You provide so much knowledge to the community. Your critisms hold these manufacturers to a higher standard; making the products better over time. Thank you
Will, I am glad you showed this video. You have years of knowledge and experience to deal with this unit. As a DIY, if I had to set up the IP6048 unit and ran into as many problems you had to deal with, I would have put my sledge hammer through the unit.
thank you for posting videos like these where you encounter issues/challenges with products. it's educational for both us the consumers, and hopefully the manufacturers too. it's an opportunity for them to take notes about the pain points with what they're putting out in the world, and hopefully fix them / improve future versions.
Totally enjoy learning thru your videos! Thanks Will!
If you get frustrated with this unit's software, it tells me I would not even consider buying this unit. Thanks for your videos, I have learnt so much.
I am learning a lot, just by watching by watching how you work through the frustrations of "set up". Something that I have yet to go through.
Your definately an advanced user...imagine us first timers trying to get this set up...I am sure the words coming out of our mouths will be much worse
In my case, the most I'll ever use is single phase 120 volts. I still find these larger systems interesting. Just don't forget the van dwellers, RVers and boaters please. We are always looking for upgrades. Thanks Will 👍
Amen!
Agreed! I’d love to see a video updating the recommendations for a large rv system. Read the book today and it’s gotten pretty outdated at this point.
Heh, yup. My 46kw of Eve cells arrive in a few weeks. Need to get inverters on order so I can get it all installed in my RV.
Their parasitic draw is horrendous. They are only for people who are sun and battery rich.
I don't think I'm going to be able to do this I just bought a 6500 from sungold I should have did a lot more investigating it's only 110 output also. I'm just a beginner I built a pretty decent little 12 volt system but now I'm trying to go 48 volt. I already made mistakes. Not looking in enough videos and then purchasing things thinking that I took two weeks investigating I needed to take 2 months investigating. And watching more TH-cam. Facebook stuff doesn't work they don't give you the right info. I love these videos from this young man he's so smart. Maybe I'll get lucky and he has a video of the inverter charger that I bought or one very similar. I don't even know how to hook it up
Wow. Thanks for making sure none of us have buyer’s remorse for getting EG4s
Thanks, Will. Completely relevant effort and review.
Thanks for playing with this one, it was on my list to consider!
This was a great review, hopefully the manufacturer sees it and accepts the feedback.
Your patience is amazing.
Thanks again Will. Learning a lot from your videos.
If I were making a product like that, I'd want to hire someone like you to test it before I put it on the market.
I'd call them a "beta tester". What a revolutionary idea, eh?
I've came to appreciate 🙏 your videos very much.
Thank you Sir 👍
I love your videos and your commentary... Maybe one day soon I'll be able to put your videos to use building my own system... :)
Looks a promising and capable unit, I like an inverter that doesn't have noisy fans going 24/7. Hopefully Version 2.0 will remedy interface issues !!!
I am glad you show us the installation and start up issues as apposed to a discussion about your findings . Good job, hello from Sacramento. Still not receiving notifications on same day of release.
Happy Christmas to you! Thanks for always making cool videos.
So grateful I recently found your channel. Hands down the absolute best solar channel. Amazing value. THANKS
Will ,I would like to thank you for your time, with your help and videos, I successfully installed a 12 panel ground mount Sinclair rack, solar DC breakers, 4800watt array, 6000 watt rich solar hybrid ,3 jacpro 100amp,5120 Whrs works perfectly. Thanks again, I promote your channel to all I know.
Been following them for a while good to see a review
I am looking at Sungoldpower's 6000 Watt TP6048 All In One unit which has battery less option, low frequency inverter, and can charge a 48v Battery Bank at 120 amps via grid or solar, 450vdc max PV; PLUS output 240vac Split Phase from just one unit. I would love seeing you review that option. Current price is attractive @ $1365
The only thing I don't like about this unit is the inrush current is not too good on this. I have it connected to my AC and as soon as the AC turns on it almost goes into a air mode or fault mode because of overload.
Great video Will!!
Thank you Will. Your videos are what gave me the courage to begin my adventure into solar land. I already bought this unit but haven't hooked it up yet. If the runaway current on the battery connection is the same on mine, what Victron charge controller would you recommend for the fix? I have 3 EG4 48v.
Mr P. Thank you so much. I trust your judgment on the software. All I need to know. 💪⚒️🇺🇸
I was about to say, yes!! Awesome!! Then.... Well the video says everything.
Engineering is the bane of all industries excellent video great content six stars
Since the cooling here is different i'd have liked to see a teardown like used to do in the past to show the differences to the LV6548.
I actually filmed the tear down but never posted it because I figured no one would care considering the issues I had. Figured I could save my viewers some time. If they fix the software I'll do a full tear down
While this device is beyond my current needs, generally, I'm willing to deal with programming difficulties if the product will eventually work properly. After all, programming is usually not altered often once accomplished. The uncontrolled DC charging output I find very concerning. At best, it might trip a BMS or a fuse. I don't like to think about the worst case scenario. But such an issue would render the device completely useless to me.
Maybe not fun for you but situations like this are sort of best case scenario in terms of the value of your 'product' as a reviewer because it has the potential to avert a huge amount of frustration among your viewers, and beyond. By word of mouth, their combined reach is probably pretty massive and im sure yours and their influence on the entire population of first time buyers is notable. I think people who assemble or repair things for a living will just take this for what it is and wait for a positive update, but to have a cantankerous product like this end up in the hands of a true newbie runs the risk of derailing someone's entire interest in the subject. Impossible to assess stuff like this from an online spec sheet. Your work is very much appreciated!!
love the mobile testing rack, great idea
Thanx for what you do
yes, tactile buttons and switches!!! Agreed 100%
So much for DIY with this unit. Not ready for Prime Time!
Watched again to see if you had an updated review
Like this unit , great for my application
I appreciate all of your reviews. I wouldn't want to deal with the set up issues you experienced here which is a shame since the price makes it easier to start building a system where you could expand later (assuming these can be stacked).
I've been seeing a trend in a range of products where software is key, it's all about software. And we can see that in many products.
'schedule the AC Charging' is a game changer. I have a MPP Solar LV5048 and it works great, but being able to tell the inverter to only charge the battery during specific hours of the day would be key!
Got an Mpp 7248 max ...
I can set time for output source priority mode by one hour increments ...
I can set time for charging source priority as well
It's 48v batteries . 240v input and output ... 8000 w max solar array ... 2 mppt ... in/off grid hybrid that can't feedback the grid ...
It's really a game changer to be able to set charging times as electricity rate are varying during the day there ( France ) .
Thanks .
Point stand I miss the ability to feedback the grid as it could help the neighborhood in case a failure the grid ...
I know where to disconnect from the higher voltage and would have been able to use the wiring in case a real ... need . At least during the day ...
Safety regulations rules won't ever think nor allows a true being ... before, after ... during ...
Official safety concerns !!!
Thanks
From France with .
Thanks for the review, I just got an advertisement for this one and was waiting for your review. Sounds like we need to wait a bit longer....
Thanks for vid. Have you ever thought of doing a solar pontoon boat?
Nice Review! Thanks
Makes me happy I bought the Sol-ark 12K!
Hi Will
Thanks for all your great videos. I'm a marine electrician and I see a lot of DIY boaters mixing lead acid and lithium batteries in the same bank. I strongly don't recommend this dye to the different technologies. Please can you consider doing a video on this as I think these so called "Hybrid" systems are getting more and more popular in the boating community.
Kind regards
Del.
Apparently this is what happens when a bunch of engineers work from home designing a product but no one actually ever physically touches it or uses it themselves. OMG
To be fair, the annoying buttons are to get the ip68 waterproof rating. But yeah the software is a train wreck.
exactly, and that is happening across the board with everything from tools to materials in construction. That's probably why our cars are a lot more user friendly, everyone uses them.
@@offgridphilosophy7959 No, they could easily put a nice clicky button behind plastic which would still be IP68 rated but instead they went with the cheapest option. Waterproof buttons doesn't need to be bad, it's just the default.
Not everyone uses a car. Since most of those “engineers” are working from home, they are probably doing it from some beach in a foreign country. It’s too bad we can’t find better workers. If only they would stop quitting every time somebody tells them to come to work! 😂
@@Torbjorn.Lindgren Shirley your last name isn't rubber.
Just a thought based on some of the ATS switches and UPS systems I used to work with in a data center environment... But why can't these guys just slap in an ethernet port and give these things a web based interface? That'd make things so much easier to work with when configuring and monitoring.
I like the trend of PV inputs going with higher voltages. It'll just be really interesting the first time someone barbecues themselves with it though.
Since it's the holidays... chestnuts roasting, on an open fire... :smile:
100 Volts is almost as lethal as 500 volts ... Not sure the bbq effect would be any different...
The supercharging of software to allow more PV voltage input is just begging to be regulated.
@@McRod-1 I believe everything over 50 volts DC is regulated round here.
amazing, the newer models for every brand get better and better. Does waterproof also mean humidity or cold/frost proof in colder climate?
I just read the manual and there are 12 pages dedicated to setting up all the preferences on your laptop using the supplied software disc. Gotta be better than the screen buttons.
Looks cool. Yeah software is everything. They need to simplify the user experience. That will open up more people to using it.
hi will, suggestion to solve problem of unit shutting down while no solar input. Use some of the extra batteries you have on hand to simulate solar input while making menu changes
I got the 8KW model software was not as bad as the one you got, I did have to go through all the settings to get a proper function, unit is quiet and works great for grid-tie
Great video 👌🏿
If Will prowse had this many problems, I have no doubt that I would end up taking a sledgehammer to it and breaking it into a million pieces and frustration over trying to get it to work. I'm very happy with my EG 4 6500 EXs. 😊
Software engineering where the left hand and right hand can not shake hands. Glad you showed us the problems.
I have inverter with similar software. Unit called Axioma ISMPPT BFP 5600. Using it from July. In my case it even has LED lights around the screen. :) Had to switch them off, because it looks like permanent holidays in the shed where it installed.
They need to make the controllers able to be configured in a computer, then transferred to the inverter as a data stream.
They need to use a standard dot matrix screen and do a proper menu interface, with mechanical buttons.
gimme a column of buttons (5 at least) on the left to pick menu options.
HOME, ENTER, CANCEL, UP and DOWN along the bottom of the display.
And with TCIP over standard CAT6, not the old RS232/USB crap. Also logging should be available onsite over normal TCPIP or wifi and not to cloud services.
Most programmable controllers were done from software on a laptop only a few years ago... Not sure why we ended up with that not being the default option today
Yeah, I'm sure just building it on a Pi Zero 2W would have been so much better.
I control my LV6548 from the Watchpower app on my phone. That whole button pushing on the control panel is annoying.
love your channel and content. one question I always had, why do you not address any AC-couple solar setups? They are much friendlier on the solar side of the installation, and with more standards coming out like frequency watt control they are quite adaptable for grid tie and grid down use cases. One candidate im interested in seeing a tear down of is Outback's Mojave inverter.
I say all this having seen your channel for so long, and owning 2x LV2424 for like 6 years.
Cheers
Dang will we’ll I’ve been watching for a while now and I’ve come to a conclusion.. you need to build your own all in one off grid system . With you being the head of design it would be the best set up
I love the 240v split phase output option and up to 600 vdc PV inputs x 2 (... evolution of improvements). I wonder if connecting to grid at setup might help it calibrate the auto sensing 50 mhz vs 60 mhz ... into an possibly an easier set up? ... Could this be a great all in one ... after you dial it in over more time? ... Would love getting a second review after you test run this unit for a month, after you and/or manufacturer get it dialed in. Just some thoughts. ... Love your reviews. I am gonna watch DIYSolarForum chats about this model, in my learning more all the time mode ;+)
The lv6548 has a restart setting. But a had I dead short one time on an outdoor receptacle and it wouldn’t reset. I had to cut solar and battery power to it for it to reset.
Awesome video
Love your content....keep up the good work sir.
The 30a setting for max charge current is probably an ac value. I think my old Xantrex inverter does it the same way.
That's why I posted the manual in the video so you can clearly see that it's not. It's the DC amperage rating
I was excited about your last 2 videos as I am looking for a more cost effective solution for Grid Interactive than Sol-Ark that will also work with a large Nickel Iron Battery I just bought. These 2 units were high on my list of capabilities on paper but if you can't get it to function as it should I am not sure what hope I have. The third option I am looking at is the Schneider Conext XW PRO 6.8KW Hybrid Inverter/Charger | 48V 120/240V. Its a bit pricier and I am not sure if it supports sending power back to the grid. I have my Interconnect Agreement right now with Solaredge but I am trying to figure out the best way to AC Couple another inverter that will allow me to use a 48V 1200aH Nickel Iron Battery. My main goal is to make it through the night with import. I have already cut my electric bill in half my goal is to get it to 0 or as close as I can. Keep up the good work.
It is amazing how far all in one inverters have come. And they are still improving.
My buddy picked up 2 of these. Can't wait to see what it can do with 30kwhr of battery
I wonder if he has tried the AC coupling feature to get solar electricity during power outage？
I was actually thinking about getting this unit. Thanks to this video, I won't. If you're having a hard time with that software, I have no chance, LOL.
Yep my Inverter Iconica Hybrid 5.5KW in the manaul states that the Solar has be turned off firsts followed by the battery and then the grid, and turn back on this the reverse.
Hey Will, what is the standby consumption ? I hope its better than the Blue Power TP6048
As a former software engineer, I agree!
Hi Will,
You have some terrific content.
Do you have any MTBF (Meantime before failure) ratings for the equipment (inverters, automatic transfer switches, etc) that you are demonstrating?
I am going to put together my own system based on my requirements (the all-in-one systems do not meet my requirements), and there are alot of moving parts (well electronic, that is). Being that many of the components are manufactured in China, are they reliable? That is, do I need to source spare component equipment incase of failure to ensure that I can get the same parts for drop in replacement?
My main requirement is for home power outages (8KW, 120Vac, 60amp - 70amp max)
Thanks,
Steve
Would like to see the insides of this unit to find out the waterproofing and heat dissipation they have added.
Hi Will, I have the inverter with the same screen.
Did you limit the Total Input current in 02 section (solar + utility)?
Looks like you’ve limited the Utility current only w/o solar, thats why the unlimited current moved to the battery due to hight solar power at that moment. Could this be the reason?
I believe the setting for dc charging from ac mains said 60 amp max that means you can pull 60 amps tomorrow the mains input to use for charging. Try turning it down to 20 amps. Should reduce the output to around 80 amps.
Hey, Will. Awesome video. Can you tell me if this has a zero export feature like solark. Thanks.
This seems like a really solid product. Has the software improved at all since this video was posted..?
Nice review as usual. So, the charging current control is broken? Can the inverter AC couple to grid-tied inverters?
Would you clarify the ground neutral bond issue? If it's off grid, ground your panel, but if you're using the AC charge function what's the correct way to install? Thank you Will.
Currently switching to a Victron system but would love to try one of the all in ones
This is an exciting inverter, but I agree ... Software really matters. Maybe try using solar assistant to program it?
Looking forward to testing Huawei Sun2000 inverter, one of the best I try ever
I’m glad I’m not experimenting with my equipment, as I would be afraid of destroying my batteries with so many amps!
I’m sure you have a video on how many amps should be going to your batteries safely?
batteries should be fused from charging side that should protect them from excess amps
yep think i will pass on this one, and go for a Victron Multiplus II 5000 for the same-ish money. Thanks for the review.
Thx for informative video.
At 1st glance, considering price and capability, I was very interested.
After seeing this vid, The EG4 12K may be the best option.
I doubt these companies even have software engineers.
Most likely, they use the generic software from the component maker.
If you have your equipment anywhere close to where you live or sleep, noise is a major issue.
If you get frustrated easily, a good software menu is worth the money.
You should have a look at the Deye Inverters. They are really nice and have a lot of insane features.
Man you are so great keep going with your good stuff, I wanted to ask you about this inverter, is it 24/7 can I run it as a UPS ? we love you from Iraq 🇮🇶
So far the eco flow all in one is the best one I have seen yet.
Great job exposing the software bugs, any new updates to their software? This is a perfect fit for our project, but it's been put on deck......haha
Would love to see you run a decent inductive load on all these inverters and see how they manage. I feel like you once said you don't have any, but maybe get a decent air compressor? Those are always handy.
A submersible pump in a bucket of water is an easy way to add a substantial inductive load to an inverter...
@@Techa-lo2dc That's a good idea. And sump pumps are definitely a critical load for people who require them. I bet the inrush current on a 1/2 horse pump will shut down most of these cheap all-in-one Inverter/chargers.
@@busimagen I would guess a well pump would pull more. At least the "deep" well variety. Higher horsepower. I don't have a sump pump anymore, but I measured my 240v well pump to require 35 amps on startup, and then 10 amps to run.
@@busimagen Well pumps come in two main types - single speed and variable speed. The single speed pumps are just like sump pumps, they have a big in-rush current on startup. The starting current is proportional to the running current, often about 4x the running current, but it can be more than that. Variable speed pumps have an inverter built into the motor or the controller. They don't have a large starting current but they can have an in-rush current when you first apply power to the inverter as it charges up the capacitors. I've never seen a variable speed pump running on one of these solar inverters...
Can't they be configured to feed the same panel as the grid, so that any large inrush would just be handled by grid?
If Will has this much trouble getting this setup there is a 0% chance anyone else will use this successfully.
Wow - another poc - I’m a noob and would just go ballistic with this. Can you recommend a grid tie inverter that is modern and well engineered that works?
My growatt SC4880 MPPT charge controller does that same shut off at night. Super annoying when you're trying to change settings.
Just purchased one please keep the update
Will, great information here as this unit is a candidate for a battery backup solution. Can you share what connection I would need for a whole-house solution and would I need to use a transfer switch. I'm assuming in UPS mode, I would not need a transfer switch?
I hate fan noise so I was very interested to see you show why it was so quiet but then you didn't show that. Can you do a tear down in another video and show how cooling works on it?
well done
That shutting off was driving me crazy more then you 🤣😵💫 I was there I'd activate it with a hammer 🔨 🤣
Thank you so much for this video.I would love to see the settings done from a computer for contrast. Regardless thank you.