How To Build a Carbon Aero Bike. The Winspace Agile.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- I was very excited when Winspace reached out asking if I would be interested in checking out their new Agile frame.
As Winspace has been on my radar since years, of course I accepted the offer.
So in this video we will be building up this frame to a proper Road Machine. But is it here to stay or is it not for me?
Nice build, Michael. I am really looking forward to your ride impressions video.👍🏾
Thanks so much man. Also very excited for the first ride impressions 🫶
Great insight how to build not only a Winspace but many other modern roadbikes with integrated headset.
Thank you.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it 🫶
I normally do not comment on bike builds, but to see a normal guy build a bike like you did is impressive. You just earned another subscriber with your down to earth style and personality. I look forward to see more videos from you. Thx
@@DGMann mate, i m so thankful for your message. Very happy to hear that. There will be more builds coming in the next weeks. Hope you will enjoy them as well. 🫶
Great video, very interested in building the Winspace Agile, this made me want it even more, thank you so much!
My pleasure 🤜🤛. Was a pretty smooth build (aside the handlebar but that was my fault) and a really great looking bike in my opinion. Excited to ride it once the sun comes out.
Another fantastic build... enjoyed it'
Not to mention the internal cabling suspense' 😅
Thanks a lot mate 🤜🤛. Yes turns out that hole was only for a di2 cable. So happy i managed to squeeze through it. 🫣
Thank you very much for sharing the video, Klein. The build looks amazing, and I am eagerly looking forward to the ride review. I hope the frame delivers both performance and comfort. 😊
You re welcome. Very happy to hear you enjoyed it. Also very excited about putting some miles on it. Will keep you all updated 🤜🤛
I just stumbled across this video, and I'm so glad I did! I really enjoyed watching, thanks for taking the time to share your experience. +subscribed 👍🏻
Thanks a lot. Very happy to read this. Hope you will enjoy the upcoming stuff as well. Some fun projects in the making 🫶
Great one. Looking forward to the ride review
Thanks a lot. Yes also excited to put some miles on it 🫶
Woohoo, Ti frame arrived. Looking forward to seeing you building it.
Me too 🫶
Great build explanation and build. Looking forward to watching how it rides and your review.
Thanks a lot. Glad you enjoyed it 🤜🤛
I didn't see the brake fluid installation.
Looking forward to hearing your ride impressions.
Already working on the ride impressions video
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Amazing video, super well explained ! I hope you will give a try to the new Wheeltop Groupset in your future build.
Thanks a lot. Yes i would love to give the wheeltop one a try but it seems very hard to get hold of one that can be shipped to Europe 🫣
When I saw that hole i was like hell no, I wouldn’t even attempted that but good on you
Lovely paint scheme no I want a sleek white bike!
Haha it was a tricky one and that hole was actually really only for Di2 cables. But glad it worked out 🫶
New subscriber from Australia. Really enjoying the content and motivated me to attempt and try a build. Thanks for sharing 👍
Hey mate, so happy to hear you enjoyed it and it got the motivation going. Go for it. It is easier than it seems and good fun building your own bike
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Excellent build video... I think this may be the combination for my first build here in May.
Thanks so much 🫶. Go for it. I think it is a beautiful looking bike. Excited to see how it rides once the weather clears up.
So awesome to see this video drop, I have been on the fence whether to get one of these frames and this made my mind up. I have copied your build with the same wheels and groupset but will add the magene base power meter for the crankset. I already have had a Winspace SLC 2.0 for over a year and its been flawless. Fingers crossed you give a good ride review as I have already ordered all the parts!
Very happy to hear that. I will be reunited with the bike in 2 weeks and will try to get a first ride impressions video in asap.
Awesome this Machine nice waiting you on the road.
Thank you 🤜🤛
I’m looking forward to your ride review of Winspace Agile.
Coming up soon 🤜🤛
Nice build,with clear details on the brake hoses (pin ,olive, screw). At the end however I missed the filling with oil in the brake hoses, but I think you already had that covered in another video, so it seems that that was no hassle and similar to Shimano. I am looking forward to your riding experience especially while this frame is of a smaller size and shorter than eg Giant frames.
Thanks a lot and i have to shamefully say that you are right. The bleeding somehow just slipped the edit. But as you say luckily i already did it a couple times on previous videos. Lets see maybe there will be another MISSING CHAPTER upload hehe. 🫶
I really enjoyed watching this. Thank you! 🙏🏼 Have you taken it for a ride and decided on whether you enjoy it?
Thank you. Yes there will be a video coming soon. I really like the bike 🫶
@@klein-conceptlooking forward to it
I would have just widened the brake hose hole a bit with a file or a dremel. This part is between the clamps of the stem, there isn't really a load on the handlebar at that point.
I almost did it but as it is a lightweight bar i wanted to give it a try first without getting the dremel out 😂😂
Nice work (especially after seeing the bike in the flesh today 😄). Just wondering why you did not use any grease for the headset bearings.
@@markokitzing4291 thank you 🤜🤛. Hehe i got too excited building it. Added some grease afterwards.
One thing to notice is you cannot use this bike on an indoor trainer as there is not an opening for the thru axle on the drive side.
That is true and i had the issue with my BMC when i was supposed to have a bike fit made. But it still works on a direct drive indoor trainer like the Wahoo Kickr.
Do you mean a wheel on trainer like the kicker snap? Direct drive trainera need either a thru axle or quick release axle which both require a hole on both sides. @@klein-concept
@@KevinBaggs no i mean the regular kickr or kickr core. With thru axles it works without a problem. Only trainers where you would need to keep the rear wheel in are problematic as they need to clamp left and right of the axle.
Every bike builder should give the frame they are building up a colonoscopy before beginning. Just to catch anything that could become a problem later on.
Right? And its great fun too 😂😂
Wo kommst du eig auf einmal her? Raketenstart. Top quality content, und das von jetzt auf gleich... Impressive.
Haha danke dir 🤜🤛
Does the agile not come with a clamp to mount the battery in the seatpost? Because the t1500 did.
Good question. I dont think so but might he due to it being one if the early production units.
Glad to have come across this video! Quick question but did you need to use any external spacers with the T-47 Bb? Or did it just fit in as is? Thanks in advance!
@@Cody-k8k hey, i did just fit it as it is if i remember correctly. 🤜🤛
Looking forward to long term L Twoo groupset review. Also, would you recon, that shimano brake calipers could be used with those since they both run on mineral oil?
Where is the best place to buy L Twoo groupset?
Great build and great video, though.
Been using these groupsets on two bikes so far without problem. Even passed my water test that you might have seen in my other video.
You could use it with Shimano calipers which will make it look a bit better as well.
I purchased my initial groupset at the Official L-Twoo store on Aliexpress.
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HI! Beautiful video. I would be interested in purchasing the Agile frame. How tall are you? What size did you purchase? I am 172cm tall and I think the measurements given on the site are M! What do you think of the build quality of the chassis? Now I have a Trek Madone but I am fascinated by the new generation and Chinese construction frames. Thanks for your help.
@@cirovarone6790 i just returned from a 135km ride on the bike and i love it. I am 185 and ride an L. I think an M would work best for you. Btw if you use code Klein10 you get 10% off the frame 🤜🤛
I am sure that handlebar is not meant for hidden brake hoses. U can clearly see it has other holes beneath.
Yes you are right 🫣. That hole was for a di2 cable. But still somehow made it work 🤜🤛
Very nice build. I really like the black and white style.
How long did it take to ship the frame? Did you have any customs issues?
Looking forward to your ride review! :)
Thanks a lot. The frame was in transit for around 3 weeks and i didnt have any issues with customs. It s been delivered right to my door smoothly. 🤜🤛
Great build video. All the steps were clearly show well.
What magenetic cable router kit were you using?
Thanks and looking forward to the ride impressions.
Thank you. I used a cheap kit i bought of Aliexpress. Guess i now understand why it was so cheap 😂😂
It might be a dumb question as I’m going to build my first bike this winter. Where do you get headset spacers that fit an FSA stem? If I understood correctly, the bottom cap that sits on top of the bearing is provided by Winspace, but the caps on top need to sit perfectly flush with the stem. I’m not going for a slammed stem, so I need to ensure I have enough spacers before starting the build :D, I don't really like the shape of the fsa stem but sadly it looks like there are not that many available fully integrated options.
@@lolxd7150 not anstupidnquestion at all. If i remember correctly the frame actually comes with a couple spacers that fit the top cover that sits on top of the bearing. You could have a look at their original handlebar or an Avian Canary handlebar instead of going with a stem handlebar combo like i did. 🤜🤛
Interessanter Ansatz beide Bremsleitungen durch das DI2 Loch zu prügeln.😄 Da hätte ich ja zum Dremel gegriffen und mir Platz geschafft 😉
Hahahahhaha wollte nicht auf eine neue handlebar warten 🫣. Hätte es auch schon fast gedremelt aber da das so eine leichtgewicht bar ist, dachte ich mir dass das vielleicht dann dich keine so gute idee ist 😂😂
Great fun video. Very enjoyable thanks. I do have doubts about the battery staying put in the seatpost and i usually connect the brake hoses b4 bolting the calipers/shifters to the bike to allow more movement.
What tyres did you go with on the end?
Ltwoo looks impressive.
I ve mounted the battery on a couple bikes this way and it rarely slipped out. So hope it will stay in place.
Great idea about putting the hoses in before mounting the caliper. Will try this on the next one. Makes so much sense. Thanks a lot for this one.
Regarding tires i am running GP5000 28mm with TPU on here. 🤜🤛
Nice, but I think the weight is not real. I think the digital weight defective. The bike of pogacar weight 7.1 kg. With the best of the best components. That bike is around 8.2 kg. I think
I actually thought the same in the beginning so i weighed a 5kg training weight i have here and it was 5.05kg on the scale. Will show this in a future video as well.
But anyways. Will try to get a Park Tool bike scale at some point.
@@klein-concept I assembly a t1550 with ltwoo erx12 and Winspace D67. I will send pictures for you.
@@YisusBike_engineer yes please 🤩
@klein-concept yes, this kind of lagage scale can be off by 0.5 kg. I have one myself and my lagage weight is always off by 1 or 2 lbs when it gets reweight at the airport. Best to know what the scale accuracy is to be sure. The dumbells can be +/- 1lb too so not a good comparison. It does seem light at 7.1kg. So if it is, it's amazing.
@@nik_0770 thanks a lot. I m actually trying to get a Park Tool scale which is made for bikes to better answer these questions in the future. 🤜🤛
Long-awaited build video finally drops.. Soon after, Agile frames show as out of stock... 👀 Coincidence?? 😳
Hehe hopefully no coincidence 😂😂
Very nice build though I think you need a better set of Allen (hex) keys. As a mechanic those three way tools are horrible
Thank you. Good tip. Funny that you say this. I actually bought a new set a couple days ago 🫶
Did you go for PB Swiss or Wera?@@klein-concept
@@jeremynorth went for Wera. Didnt know thats such a name brand even 🫣
Yes Wera is one of the best, German tools are usually the best. I recommend also
Knippex for adjustable wrenches , pliers and cutting tools which are also German@concept
@@jeremynorth amazing. Thanks a lot for the tip 🫶
Nice build. But no grease on head bearings 😮
Yes you are so right. Was too excited i guess. Will fix this before taking it out. Thanks for flagging it tho 🫶
Great video, thanks for making it! Is the expander plug that you used the one that came with the frame set? Or did you buy that separately to be compatible with the stem? I am using the same stem with the agile and it seems that the expander plug bolt is not long enough to go through the stem cap and into the expander.
Thanks a lot. Yes its the plug and bolt that came with the frame as far as i remember. Its odd if the bolt is too short as normally there is only a couple mm between the cap and the expander.
Thanks for the response! Interesting yours was what came with the bike. From the video it looks silver on the outside, mine is black. Maybe winspace changed the expander that comes with the frame. The bolt on mine will not go through the fsa wedge cap and be long enough to go through the cone in the expander into the base plate with the threaded hole. I guess I need to find a longer bolt or an expander compatible with the FSA acr stem.
@@SamuelMoore-j4j thats interesting. Could you send me a picture of the bolt and your steerer setup to my insta account?
Thanks, I don’t have instagram but I will ask my wife if she can send one from her account.
Nice build. But did you miss applying grease on the headset bearings?
Maybe 🫣 was too excited i guess. Added it afterwards tho 🫶
Super Nice..😉what’s the size ? And how tall are you .? Have a nice day..
Thank you. It is a size L and i m around 185cm. 🫶
@@klein-concept is it a 120mm stems?
@@bosrensen4474 110mm
Just missing the bonus clip doodloodoo 😉
Hahahahahhahhahahaha. Thats unfortunately a trademarked clip style 😂😂
Great build I love my winspace slc2.0 just looking at saving more weight would you recommend the most bar tape 🤔
Thank you. Yes i like the most bar tape a lot to be honest. For some ultimate saving the Darimo seatpost and handlebars are also far up there.
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@@klein-concept thanks I've got it down to 7.3 at the moment with hyper wheels on and a working erx group set 😂
@@lawrencehawkins6076 thats a really lovely setup 🫶
Do you know if the headset bearings that come with the frame are compatible with stems from e.g. dead (super box) or only FSA stems?
Nice bike build btw :) any feedback on how it rides so far?
Deda of course, not dead...
Hehe. The bearings should be fine but the problem will be the headset cover that blends in well with the front part of the frame. The pins that it has there for the spacer are compatible with the fsa standard and i dont think you can fit a deda stem on there as they have other pin spacings.
The frame rides amazing. I already think about upgrading some areas to make it one if my main bikes for this season.
Yeah this i thought as well 😕 thx for the quick response!
Looks good 👍🏼
I agree. Great job by Winspace on this one 🫶
Muy linda bicicleta,que la disfrutes
Thanks a lot 🫶
Nice. Wish winspace would send me a frame 😊😊
Thanks a lot 🫶
request ride impression.
Working on it at the moment actually. Wanted to put more km on it before sharing my feedback
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No grease?
Which area? 🤔
headset, bb and just about every bolt. @@klein-concept
@@DanTuber bb has been greased. You re right how could i have forgotten about the headset. Guess i got too excited. Will fix this before the ride out.
Regarding the bolts. Most of them already came pre greased. But would you also grease something like the bottle cage bolts?
Thanks a lot.
yes, anything that has a thread and metal to metal contact. @@klein-concept
Thanks. Will keep this in mind for the next builds.
Great video! May I know what size is this AGILE frame (510, 550....L, XL? )and how tall are you? Many thanks in advance!
Thanks a lot. It is a L size frame and I am 1.87m 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept Thank you! Looking forward to your AGILE ride review soon!
Nice build video.
Thanks a lot. Glad you enjoyed it 🤜🤛
Does the winspace handlebar combo fit? They don't list the agile as being compatible on the site.
Good question. I just used a standard FSA stem for mine as i didnt have their handlebar.
18:52 da sind Felgenbremsen auf einmal wieder richtig sympathisch
Haha auf jeden fall einfacher. Glaube die handlebar ist eigentlich nicht für komplett interne verlegung gemacht. 🫣
@@klein-concept Ist bei meinem Pinarello Dogma F auch nicht viel leichter haha
@@psnSupergrobi10 geiles rad 😍. Hätte bei dem Pinarello preissegment gehofft, dass alles etwas smoother ist.
All I learned was disc brakes were invented to give job security for something that was once simple and effective. Now it requires stupid tools for an overly complicated thing to do something simple. Great progress, the glorious simple machine that is a bike made stupid.
I wish we could bring back rim brakes big time. And who knows. I agree the setup and maintenance of disc is a pain. While on the other hand i also appreciate the braking power in the wet and also that braking doesnt eat away my rim but only a replaceable disc.
But not saying that market change was worth it 🫣
Nah, disc brakes gave us integrated cockpits / aero cabling, and also ability to run much wider tire widths. Not to mention no longer have to worry about using a carbon rim as as a braking surface. All in all, these are great advancements, IMO. But I haven't gone full hydraulic yet. Still running the hybrid Juin-Tech R1 type brakes. :D
The wear or a carbon rim was always my main concern. Like getting a stone or something stuck in the brake pads and just smashing a very expensive wheelsets. But your other improvements are also valid. I personally like an integrated cockpit but setting up a classic rim brake bike is just a breeze hehe.
Can you give me the stem (FSA) specs you used for winspace agile?
Yes of course. It is this one www.bike-components.de/de/FSA/Non-Series-ACR-31-8-Vorbau-p88037/?o=1000333256-black-90-mm-6-&delivery_country=DE&channeltype=pmax&upid=google&gclid=Cj0KCQjwsaqzBhDdARIsAK2gqncEcAmNdLZhSh8yCR77-ZxqUm0NzVrQyERGAoI1zTk0VTx4AAnJKtMaAs8qEALw_wcB
Will you be selling the frame after?
I think this one I will keep for a while now. It s good fun.
Is the front wheel a 50 or 55? 🤔
@@lolxd7150 it is a 50mm in the front here 🤜🤛
Yass new klein concept video! Also a 1 hour one!
Btw, sice youre in berlin iirc, you gonna be at the kolektiv in march?
🤜🤛 Which Kollektiv do you mean?
@@klein-concept kolektif (i think its written like that) is a bike trade show type event organized by rad race. March 22-24.
@@EstelonAgarwaen ah sorry. Of course. If i m in town i will be there. Thanks for the reminder. 🫶
I'm here for the techno intro.....oh
We ll cover that next time you come to Berlin 🫡
No thread lock or grease on those brake caliper bolts?
At least so far i didnt need any on the bikes that i ve build so far. I think i only used threadlock a couple times on bottle cage bolts so far.
I would have a question tho. Would it be thread lock OR grease? Guess they dont mix well right? It s either or if i m not mistaken?
@@klein-conceptI would say OR yes, but I´m not quite sure in this specific instance what the correct/best choice is. I would think that thread lock would be the chosen to insure that the bolts don´t come loose, while the grease would prevent the bolts from seizing.
What's that brake centring tool called?
It is the brake alignment tool by Birzman 🤜🤛
Eine Frage. Wird bei einer Carbon Gabel und oder Rahmen, die Lager immer trocken verbaut?
Ne habs einfach nur vergessen. Mittlerweile nachträglich sauber nachgefettet. Ist mir nun schon das zweite mal passiert 🫣
Wish I had waited (weighted?) for this frame rather than getting a Yoeleo r12 which is too heavy really.
I have not weighed the R12 when building it up but i think it might only be around 200g heavier. With the right wheels and groupset you can also make R12 a lightweight racer.
But being a bit of a weight weenie sometimes. I know what you mean 🫣
@@klein-concept on a 54cm I am currently at 7.5kg. berk saddle, red and force axs groupset, hope brakes, galfer rotors. Pretty lightweight setup although Shimano would allow for more ww options. Will knock 100g off when I can finally order an EXS Aerover.
@@jameseastwood402 very cool setup. What kind of wheels are you running?
@@klein-concept forgot that key bit of information 😂 hyper D45s
Uh lala nice wheels. Ok so its not due to heavy wheels either 😂😂 Thinking about getting some Hypers as well. Are you happy with them?
Mit welcher Säge/Sägenblatt sägst Du Deine Carbongabeln?
Hab auf r2 bike das BIRZMAN Sägeblatt geholt
Weißt du, wie es mit Einfuhrzöllen läuft, wenn man es bestellt?
Du kannst es mit fedex liefern lassen und dann sind die ganzen einfuhrkosten schon gecovered meines wissens.
Schönes Video, tolles Rad und erstaunlich leicht. Allerdings habe ich eine Bitte : trage bitte bitte eine geschlossene Maske, wenn du mit Carbonstaub rechnest. Und Handschuhe. Du möchtest das Zeug nicht in deinem Körper haben, da es nicht abgebaut werden kann. Grüße aus Köln. ❤
Besten dank für den tip. Werde ich ab jetzt drauf achten. Normale geschlossene fft2 maske reicht oder wirklich so eine lackierer maske?
Besten gruss aus Berlin 🫶
Is there a round handlebar like this, with a hole in the center, but 360 mm? Anyone?
Hm i only see up to 380mm. 🫣
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did you weight the frame set on its own?
Yes have a look at the unboxing video. There are all the weights there. th-cam.com/video/3J5FJUSjssA/w-d-xo.html
Can I use 36t with this ltwoo groupset?
@@affandieko9921 officially it is 34 i think but 36 should still work 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept thanks, will try
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Which saddle is it?
Its an Aliexpress saddle from the brand called Kocevlo.
Do you have any thoughts on the Agile vs the T1550?
Unfortunately i can not really comment on the difference of these two as i was never riding the T1550 but the Agile is good fun.
I am not impressed with carbon frames and the need to hide everything. I am just too old school and like to have the ease of cable maintenance. I really enjoy your channel, just not a fan of carbon bikes.
I can fully understand you. I guess from my other videos you know how much i love my steel bikes and especially the retro Daccordi rim brake one. Every time i build up a bike with internal routing, i m questioning my life choices 😂😂 but once its done i really love the look somehow 🫣
Old school here, also... don't have an integrated cockpit-style frame (yet). But really, once the bike is built up, how often to you need to re-route the cables or swap out bars? Almost never, right? Personally I think the integrated/hidden style look great. Very 'clean'. Although, there is a joy to running colored (white, red, green, celeste, etc.) cable housing on exterior cabled bikes, to compliment the paint job. :D
@@blaw7717 yes that is true. Normally you would not really touch these. Even re greasing the bearings would work without disassembling everything.
@@blaw7717 Agree and understand.
Sorry but this build was a hash up, no grease, no assembly paste, no anti seize the touque wrench only made 1 appearance and then it was used wrongly. People do not reference this build for you're own build.
No need to be sorry 🫶. I m living on the edge here. So just follow this if you do as well 😂😂
To correct you, the torque wrench has been used for the cranksarm, stem mount and handlebar to stem clamps. But please let me know how it was used wrongly in these places so i can keep an eye on it in the future.
Regarding the grease. Most bolts already came pregreased and remaining parts still have been greased because they partially came fresh from another bike. But still definitely got me there. I completely forgot to grease up the headset. Will do that before the ride out so thanks for pointing that out.
Wanna be dogma F
Wanna save some money and not pay crazy money for a brand name?? Yes, why not? 😅
I mean i could not effort a Dogma so i m very happy to ride this one. The stay is quite a bit lower than the Dogma one tho.
Glad to have come across this video! Quick question but did you need to use any external spacers with the T-47 Bb? Or did it just fit in as is? Thanks in advance!
Just as is if i remember correctly 🫶