@@gamer2350 it's true Chris gives out the real knowledge him and Brock's are the only real people that make videos with some of the good parts to put on your bike but Chris won't give out the good shit it took him money to learn himself without making money back that's the only way you can live off racing most winnings won't cover the investment take his classes buy some parts and they might drop some sauce on you over the phone
Thats what I figured. When I was 250 pounds I had a ZX636 06', all my other buddies had 06+ R6's/GSXRS 600s. If I had a average weight for them it would be 170 pounds and I walked all of them, the longer the race got - the worse it got. lol. Closest race I had was against my buddies 08 CBR600R. We were neck and neck! Mind you I did have a bookbag on... But by far the strongest 600 I raced. 636's are different breeds with that extra 36cc lmao
The one thing that the R6 has over the ZX6R is that the r6 is drive by wire. So you can program in lot more in terms of launch control, and auto blip downshifts. The kawasaki is better build quality imo and is a lot cheaper. And factory quick up shifter.
636 is the new 750. Best sportbike for the street with the broader torque band. R6 is a scalpel for the track with the ergos while the 636 is a little less committed.
I have a 2020 R6 with Leo vincè full exhaust system 02 sensor delete & raced a 2020 636 with M4 slip on and I pulled away neither has a flash yet and I weight about 35 to 45 pounds less then he does, I now have BMC intake/ filter and block off plates tune is next
I'm sending my 2011 R6 ecu to get mapped my buddy got his gsxr 600 tuned it sounded completely different and very responsive. I have full exhaust, filter, block offs and PC5. I love the 600 videos.
Love all your videos ! I’m in Nevada and plan on possibly making a trip to you just to have you tune and dyno my bike if I can ! If not definitely doing the ecu mail in !
Back in 2010 I bought myself a brand new R6 and had it dyno'ed 100% stock. It made 107 whp @ 13,600 rpm and 45 ft-lbs @ 10,000 rpm. 75 f outside temp, 80 % humidity and 1,000 ft elevation. The Factory R6 Headers and silencer are as good as the best aftermarket. Just get rid of the Cat converter box and have it dyno tuned and you'll easily find close to 120 whp. There is another 20 whp easily attainable by changing the cam sprockets to adjustable ones and time the cams with a little LESS overlap. Yeah, I said LESS OVERLAP !.. but you'll be forced to use minimum 93 octane because the less overlap bumps up the compression ratio. So you'll have to tune it with 93/94 octane to make sure you get no pre-detonation, and if you use higher than 94 octane you can squeak in another 5 whp.
I hate to admit it, I have a 2019 r6 & I’ve raced some couples zx6r bikes they always beat me in the top end going to 160mph but in fact they’re modified & my bike is not really modified, I just have it lowered, slip on, quickshifter, blockoff plates & rider mod
I always though the 636 had more power and torque everywhere but the top end. I really expected it to be even power between them from 10,000rpm onwards, bit disappointing the R6 gets eaten top end also. It still is the superior race bike though, nothing more popular than the R6 in super stock racing.
I want to send my ECU on my K8 GSXR750 I read somewhere after I decat it a flash is a must cause it loses power on those specific years of k8 750 in mid RPM range NO IDEA if that’s true but I need the MOORE MAFIA TOUCH REGARDLESS MAKE MY BABY A BEAST
Don't let them find out about Magic Mike's secrets... Lol. That's a BAAADDDD MAAANNN there💪💯 You should go up on the sales floor and let them hear it still.... Lol
Would like to see a bored out r636 vs zx6r.. U can use my old 5sl for experimentation. 😁 imo all 600cc bikes should be allowed to punch it out to 636 in racing .. Only fair.
@@pravesh736 incorrect "Escalante and his HONOS Kawasaki will be joined on the grid by three more 636cc green machines ridden by FSI Racing's" ...from motoamerica's web
I know the 636 has more power but my question is does it has the same power as the last model it replaced since the new 636 has the new restrictions for the epa regs on it but sweet bike I like the color and all the carbon fiber👍
ZX6R is the king horsepower of supersport 600cc. I dislike WSS600 because it's like One Make Race of YZF R6. R6 Still smaller horsepower compare with ZX6R.
@@user-jk9zr3sc5h would love to hear the logic behind that one. 3000 lb car getting 30-35 mpg versus a 450lb bike getting 45-55 mpg. If both have stock cats still the bikes should easily be using less gas and spewing less into the atmosphere on a per commuter basis. Miss me with your car pooling straw man arguments.
im a true suzuki fan boy, who owns that same r6. Suzukis really need to step up there 600cc A game for us track racers. 2006-2022 is basically same as the engine, frame, minor forks, minor fairings. The R6 from 09-2020 is pretty much the same engine and frame minus for the electronics, forks, fairings
As you know I'm suzuki but my 636 was a full out beast. It was my daily rider to work during the week and went everywhere racing on the weekend and had 3 top 5 point series and went 6.01 6.03 every pass hand clutching
The other day I was watching an official Yamaha Video where the engineers said that they are able to obtain over 158 horse power from the R6 engine. Even with 158HP at crank it should produce atleast 120HP on the wheel in real world performance. So much of electronic breakers.
The Kawi really is the best bang for the buck in the supersport market. Good bit faster than the R6, and a good bit cheaper as well. The R6 might have it in the handling department, but only if you have the skill to exploit it. The average street rider and occasional track day guy will do better on the Kawi. Way more comfortable too! I need to get back up there and do an actual tuning session on this Z900 RS you flashed for me. Want to see what its putting down and what we can squeeze out of it...
Exactly, I've been riding Harleys all my life and had two gen 1 Busas. I miss them. The Busa is more comfortable than my StreetGlide once the riders triangle is setup. Also the Busa is less maintenance than a Harley. I find it strange that the gen 3 (new) Busa raised their price to $18,500 from $13,500. Now all the gen 2s are wanting more $ or about the same when they were new! I'm digging the white/blue Busa at the end of this video. I think I'll get that one if I can afford it, otherwise I'll have to get a 2012 and up model. I think that's the yr they had some small upgrades.
Oh, i also had a 05' CBR1000RR Fireblade. Great bike but i got blown around in the wind. The Busa never had an issue in the wind and is more comfy. Coming from a Harley, the Busa is super light for me lol
as much as I love my yamaha the zx6 has it but I feel it would be different on the road tracks but good luck finding one near me you pretty much have to break the law to use these bikes
I want to see Kawasaki start putting some of those super Chargers like the H2 on their mid bikes can you imagine a 636 with a supercharger 😢😢😮😮😮 the type of numbers on the Tune
Who's this new tuner???🤣🤣🤣 What happened to Chris??? Before the video ends. If it's like the old days Kawi more hp but Yami the better handling. But lets see
Would definitely expect the zx6r to make more power since it is 636cc engine. Love the videos!
I’m 14 and I’m learning a lot from your videos keep them videos coming 🔥🔥🔥🐐
@Steve y’all just stay sipping on the Haterade
@@gamer2350 it's true Chris gives out the real knowledge him and Brock's are the only real people that make videos with some of the good parts to put on your bike but Chris won't give out the good shit it took him money to learn himself without making money back that's the only way you can live off racing most winnings won't cover the investment take his classes buy some parts and they might drop some sauce on you over the phone
You’re 16 now what bike did you end up buying? Just curious
Thats what I figured. When I was 250 pounds I had a ZX636 06', all my other buddies had 06+ R6's/GSXRS 600s. If I had a average weight for them it would be 170 pounds and I walked all of them, the longer the race got - the worse it got. lol. Closest race I had was against my buddies 08 CBR600R. We were neck and neck! Mind you I did have a bookbag on... But by far the strongest 600 I raced. 636's are different breeds with that extra 36cc lmao
Extra 37cc😉
I hope nobody really had to look at this video to know that a 636 make more power than an R6
Right 😂
I did. I'm a suzuki guy so I don't really pay attention that much to other brands that are 600cc
Sure, but it also weights more. And I'd take weight reduction over Power increase all day..
@Life's Adventures I strongly feel a Race is Won in the Twisties. Only so much ground can be made up in the straight's..
Well I knew they made more torque thats for sure
Where did that guy get all of that Carbon Fiber? That came out so sweet! Awesome video.
636 FTW!!! I own a 06 zx6r love it gives the power when u need it to go fast or clutch up 🤟
DUDE!!! Awesome!!! best video to date ever!!! keep those shoot outs coming!! that's the way to go!! people want to see the close comparable
First team Kaw all day and secondly didn't know you had Kermit The Frog hosting today. 🤣🤣🤣
Anytime I raced a r6 with my 636, my kawi always came out on top😎🔥
The one thing that the R6 has over the ZX6R is that the r6 is drive by wire. So you can program in lot more in terms of launch control, and auto blip downshifts.
The kawasaki is better build quality imo and is a lot cheaper. And factory quick up shifter.
R6 comes with TC , ABS .....not need to purchase . In the end , Kawa is exlensive from R6 if you buy all stuff that Yama have😉. Sorry for my english 😉
I had a ZX6R with a full M4 G19 exhaust and K&N air filter flashed and tuned on 91octane made 116whp. Kawi over everything for me.
636 is the new 750. Best sportbike for the street with the broader torque band. R6 is a scalpel for the track with the ergos while the 636 is a little less committed.
Feel better man! Good content!
That 636 will feel sooo much quicker now that is a lot of mid-range gain
I have a 2020 R6 with Leo vincè full exhaust system 02 sensor delete & raced a 2020 636 with M4 slip on and I pulled away neither has a flash yet and I weight about 35 to 45 pounds less then he does, I now have BMC intake/ filter and block off plates tune is next
I’ve had 2 r6s and now I have a Zx6r. I couldn’t be happier right now
Nice. Get well bro, I'm feeling under the weather too.
I'm sending my 2011 R6 ecu to get mapped my buddy got his gsxr 600 tuned it sounded completely different and very responsive. I have full exhaust, filter, block offs and PC5. I love the 600 videos.
any update on the flash for the 2021 ZX10?
Love all your videos ! I’m in Nevada and plan on possibly making a trip to you just to have you tune and dyno my bike if I can ! If not definitely doing the ecu mail in !
Awesome video but may I ask why the clutch is pulled in after you get to redline?
I need to send u my 2021 Zx6r need that ecu flash u a legend btw 💯💯💯💪
no problem - www.mooremafia.com/ecu-flashing-service
Get well soon Chris got my busa there waiting for you to put your touches on it and get it right for me keep the awesome videos coming
Back in 2010 I bought myself a brand new R6 and had it dyno'ed 100% stock. It made 107 whp @ 13,600 rpm and 45 ft-lbs @ 10,000 rpm.
75 f outside temp, 80 % humidity and 1,000 ft elevation.
The Factory R6 Headers and silencer are as good as the best aftermarket. Just get rid of the Cat converter box and have it dyno tuned and you'll easily find close to 120 whp.
There is another 20 whp easily attainable by changing the cam sprockets to adjustable ones and time the cams with a little LESS overlap. Yeah, I said LESS OVERLAP !.. but you'll be forced to use minimum 93 octane because the less overlap bumps up the compression ratio. So you'll have to tune it with 93/94 octane to make sure you get no pre-detonation, and if you use higher than 94 octane you can squeak in another 5 whp.
Looks like somebody got a new baby at the shop.... hope you get to feeling better bro
I hate to admit it, I have a 2019 r6 & I’ve raced some couples zx6r bikes they always beat me in the top end going to 160mph but in fact they’re modified & my bike is not really modified, I just have it lowered, slip on, quickshifter, blockoff plates & rider mod
I always though the 636 had more power and torque everywhere but the top end. I really expected it to be even power between them from 10,000rpm onwards, bit disappointing the R6 gets eaten top end also. It still is the superior race bike though, nothing more popular than the R6 in super stock racing.
I used to run a 03 zx636r and my cousin had a 04 r6. The r6 didnt have the midrange grunt like the 636r. Up top they seemed fairly equal
Do gear change affect your top end or low end speed??
Imma have to have to tune my 05 zx6r
Nice zx600
I want to send my ECU on my K8 GSXR750 I read somewhere after I decat it a flash is a must cause it loses power on those specific years of k8 750 in mid RPM range NO IDEA if that’s true but I need the MOORE MAFIA TOUCH REGARDLESS MAKE MY BABY A BEAST
anyone selling a 05-06 zx636 in the comments? Im looking for one.. The more stock the better. Or does anyone know a reputable place to find one?
DMV!!! MD Biker Madness!!!!
Yes sirrrrrrrr
My R6 was always a pain in my ass (literally), more of a track bike. Love my 636, perfect street bike
Why the r6 curve looks like the roller coaster? After ecu flash,the curve must be linear,not?
Typical R6, no bottom/midrange, all at the top. A racetrack bike.
Don't let them find out about Magic Mike's secrets... Lol. That's a BAAADDDD MAAANNN there💪💯
You should go up on the sales floor and let them hear it still.... Lol
ZX6 FTW!
Is a full exhaust worth it on the 636 or keep the cat?
Would like to see a bored out r636 vs zx6r.. U can use my old 5sl for experimentation. 😁 imo all 600cc bikes should be allowed to punch it out to 636 in racing .. Only fair.
Nobody uses 636 for racing. Kawasaki sells a 600cc kit if u want to race. 636, 1100s are for the road. To make it more drivable
@@pravesh736 incorrect "Escalante and his HONOS Kawasaki will be joined on the grid by three more 636cc green machines ridden by FSI Racing's" ...from motoamerica's web
@@uPshiftsHaun I stand corrected. Thank u.
Can you eliminate engine braking from an ecu flash for a 2020 zx6r?
Yes u have to specifically ask him for it tho. It’s the decel fuel cut
@@brandonriggins1351 good thank you
I know the 636 has more power but my question is does it has the same power as the last model it replaced since the new 636 has the new restrictions for the epa regs on it but sweet bike I like the color and all the carbon fiber👍
I've got a 15 636 and I've never been gapped on the street by anything but an 1199 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
ZX6R is the king horsepower of supersport 600cc. I dislike WSS600 because it's like One Make Race of YZF R6. R6 Still smaller horsepower compare with ZX6R.
Hey Chris what do you think about the epa coming after the car shops and everything think motorcycles are next ?
If we all rode motorcycles then pollution would be decreased. So hopefully they promote riding.
@@mockabax6099 not true. Motorcycles pollute far more.
@@user-jk9zr3sc5h would love to hear the logic behind that one. 3000 lb car getting 30-35 mpg versus a 450lb bike getting 45-55 mpg. If both have stock cats still the bikes should easily be using less gas and spewing less into the atmosphere on a per commuter basis. Miss me with your car pooling straw man arguments.
@@skippypeanutbutter9136 www.wired.com/2008/06/motorcycles-pol/
"it's a Kawasaki Chris You know they make more horsepower"🤣
RG 2021🤣🤣
On the dyno 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm going with Yamaha, though I'm Honda over everything.
2020 R6 is most uncomfortable bike I’ve ever owned. Hated it tbh lol
@@T1k213 yeah track focused, suspension and sitting posting pegs best handling bike I ever owned 2017 model
Yip, that's why I just stay in my lane with the comfortable CBR.
@@T1k213 hell yeah lol it does feel mad light tho riding it
I posted a video of me spanking a 636 on my cbr600rr..
im a true suzuki fan boy, who owns that same r6. Suzukis really need to step up there 600cc A game for us track racers. 2006-2022 is basically same as the engine, frame, minor forks, minor fairings. The R6 from 09-2020 is pretty much the same engine and frame minus for the electronics, forks, fairings
As you know I'm suzuki but my 636 was a full out beast. It was my daily rider to work during the week and went everywhere racing on the weekend and had 3 top 5 point series and went 6.01 6.03 every pass hand clutching
We need a 1st gen zx14
Kawi for life
I want to add the launch control and auto blip feature to my r6. I know I saw it in one of your video with the r6
Hey Chris what happen to the burn find 636 u had? Haven't seen much content on it...
It's for sale in his shop.
Kawasaki ninja fan all the way I have 2 of them love Kawasaki Ninja.
First pull on the r6 was 102 then the last pull you said it made 95 first pull and 108 on the last pull im confused?
TO THE KAWI OWNER: I'm also in MD and have a 636 tuned by someone else. Let me know if you ever wanna get some runs in and compare. R6 can get it too
Hey he is my neighbor, I can let him know. Because he probably won’t see your comment
Send me some picks of your bike and I’ll show him when I get home. Around 8ish.
@dbtrackz33 (814)-937-7741
@@ericbowman4855 you on IG? I have tons of pics there. I'm not texting pics of my bike to a random number lol. It's a 15' 636
@@dbtrackz33lol understandable. Yeah my IG is chris.bow
The other day I was watching an official Yamaha Video where the engineers said that they are able to obtain over 158 horse power from the R6 engine. Even with 158HP at crank it should produce atleast 120HP on the wheel in real world performance. So much of electronic breakers.
Yet again, Honda gets left out in the cold.
Fuck a bolt on104whp 600cc SS bike 🤣
Kawi hands down the best in the 600cc class
💪👍
The Kawi really is the best bang for the buck in the supersport market. Good bit faster than the R6, and a good bit cheaper as well. The R6 might have it in the handling department, but only if you have the skill to exploit it. The average street rider and occasional track day guy will do better on the Kawi. Way more comfortable too!
I need to get back up there and do an actual tuning session on this Z900 RS you flashed for me. Want to see what its putting down and what we can squeeze out of it...
Did y'all hear? A H2 y'all tuned got beat by 650ib H2 tuned by someone else 😬
Obviously the ZX6R, lol. Chris. You don't sound too good. Get well soon.
Since Chris sold his 636. Who wants some smoke?
Kawi boyzzz on top!!!!
My baby what’s good about to get my 1st bike cause of you zuke nation baby got a 01 750cc
It's probably gonna Cool it off some too.
Get a GSX-R750!!!
600’s are cute, where’s the Busa footage?
Exactly, I've been riding Harleys all my life and had two gen 1 Busas. I miss them. The Busa is more comfortable than my StreetGlide once the riders triangle is setup. Also the Busa is less maintenance than a Harley. I find it strange that the gen 3 (new) Busa raised their price to $18,500 from $13,500. Now all the gen 2s are wanting more $ or about the same when they were new! I'm digging the white/blue Busa at the end of this video. I think I'll get that one if I can afford it, otherwise I'll have to get a 2012 and up model. I think that's the yr they had some small upgrades.
Oh, i also had a 05' CBR1000RR Fireblade. Great bike but i got blown around in the wind. The Busa never had an issue in the wind and is more comfy. Coming from a Harley, the Busa is super light for me lol
Ha.
Man i just love 600s
Cómo siempre el mejor saludos desde México Cozumel quinta Roo bendiciones la mejor R6😁🙏
who know what kind of brand windscreen that is on the 636?
Puig Z racing windscreen
Chris, have you delegated the dynoruns to MagicMike? 🤪
I’m a Yamaha guy but I’m empress how Kawasaki step up their game.. 😀
Can someone tell me if the r6 has crossplane crank and if not why not?
No, Yamaha only designed the MT10, R1, and FZ09 with crossplanes. Unsure if there are others but the R6 is just a standard I4 screamer
I liked the sound of the yammy better.
as much as I love my yamaha the zx6 has it but I feel it would be different on the road tracks but good luck finding one near me you pretty much have to break the law to use these bikes
Power is not all on track 😉Yamaha still a track beast 😎😎
zx6 gone make more power
I want to see Kawasaki start putting some of those super Chargers like the H2 on their mid bikes can you imagine a 636 with a supercharger 😢😢😮😮😮 the type of numbers on the Tune
Kawasaki and Suzuki for life 💪🙌
The zx6r will make more power.
Zx6 111hp R6 104hp
Im at 2:29 and Im gonna say the ZX-6R is gonna shit on the R6.
GSX-R600 FTW!!!
I have one of each😬
That carbon fiber on the ZX6 probably adds at least another 15 hp
Who's this new tuner???🤣🤣🤣 What happened to Chris??? Before the video ends. If it's like the old days Kawi more hp but Yami the better handling. But lets see
Thats a 636 vs 600 😂😂
Wish I could win me ecu flash for my bike 😢
Kawasaki got this one
The R6 handles better, is more aesthetically pleasing & it’s High revving in-line 4 will always sound better💯🏍🔥🦾
Team yamaha 🔥💪🏽💪🏽
Ninja
What, the state of Maryland doesn’t require license plates?
Nope 😂
No plate no problem the motto in Maryland 😂
Damn I wish I could afford a brand new 636
Chris, sounds like you have the same shit I do bro. I've been rough for a couple days now
Hope it's not the rona.
@@Mohapi_Tau. Naw, no kung flu over here
my stock tune looked no where near that bad on my R6
Damn I think my detuned naked cb600f has 102 bhp. Poor
Kawasaki all the way ❤️