I have read a lot abour Middle Earth and Gandalf's mission, but I believe the vision you present is by far the most outstanding I ve seen so far. Bravo!
Hey @peterpoplavko3868! Thank you so much for your kind words and thoughtful comment! It’s incredibly humbling to hear that the vision I’ve presented resonated with you in such a meaningful way. Tolkien’s world is so rich and layered,and exploring it with others who share the same passion is truly a privilege. Your encouragement means a great deal and motivates me to continue diving deeper into Middle-earth’s timeless stories. Bravo to you for engaging with the material so thoughtfully-this kind of interaction is what makes it all worthwhile!
The Istari were restrained, not just by telling them, they were actually limited. Remember that Gandalf when he was resurrected said he had forgotten many things and remembered many. That was because Gandalf the white was less restrained, but still not in his full might. The decisions was made by the Valar, not the Istari.
Brilliantly put, andthank you for the reminder! The distinction betweeen the Istari’s self-restraint and the actual limitations placed upon them by the Valar is such an important nuance. Gandalf’s reflection after his resurrection highlights this beautifully-it’s a rare glimpse into how deeply those limitations shaped his mission and identity. Your point about the Valar making the decision is spot on, and it really underscores how the Istari’s role wasn’t about personal ambition but fulfilling ahigher purpose. Thanks for sharing this insightful perspective!
Sauron was also a Maia, supposedly on the same level as Gandalf and Saruman, but with the restraining shackles already tossed aside. I think if we’re asking what Gandalf’s limits are, we already have the answer in front of us. Sauron could command and influence, but he didn’t have the power of the valar. None of the istari did.
Great point, @nan7861! Sauron tossing asidehis “shackles” really sets him apart from Gandalf and the Istari, who were bound by their mission to guide and nnot dominate. It’s fascinating how Sauron used his freedom for control, while Gandalf chose restraint and humility. Thanks for sharing always love discussions like this! Cheers! 😊
@@alignmentunknown3156 Exactly my thought. If we are to recognize an upper limit on Gandalf, Sauron would be the ceiling. Personally I believe that Gandalf is just as potentially powerful as Sauron, except that Gandalf is bound by his commitment to the Valar to not act in a way that would dominate the inhabitants of Arda. Saruman, OTOH, decided to reject that same commitment to the Valar. Fortunately Gandalf was elevated to head of the Council and given authority to take down Saruman before Saruman could make good on his plans.
@nan7861 Gandalf with the one ring could definitely challenge Sauron. But without it, I think Sauron would beat him in a hard fought one on one. It would be like Gandalf vs the Balrog, except the Balrog wins.
@@alignmentunknown3156 I don’t see it quite that way. My recollection is that the power in the One Ring is a portion of Sauron’s power only, transferred into the Ring at the time of its making. The One Ring has no new power of its own, but it enhances Sauron’s existing power by focusing it. The same could be said of the elven rings: the bearers did not receive any new powers. They merely enhanced their ability to use the power they already possessed. However the One Ring is uniquely different from the elven rings because it both contains Sauron’s power and serves as a focal point. if Gandalf or Galadriel or Saruman were to claim the One Ring for themselves, their own power would be increased by the portion of Sauron’s power which they could access through the One Ring, assuming that they were strong enough to control it. Remember that although the One Ring contains Sauron’s power, that power is not completely severed from Sauron. I imagine trying to take control of the One Ring’s power would be akin to playing tug-of-war with a T-Rex. As long as the T-Rex is passive, you can use its power to defeat anything else in your way. If the T-Rex objects to you using its power, especially using it against him, you could win but only at great cost to your own sanity. Sauron’s will is so evil that using Sauron’s power would likely consume your mind.
There have been several videos recently debating the possible outcomes of the confrontation between Gandalf and the Witch king at the gate of Gondor, you are the first to accurately define Gandalf's true power, motivations and actions.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I’m thrilled that the video resonated with you and helped clarify Gandalf’s intricate character and motivations. The confrontation between Gandalf and the Witch-king is such a fascinating topic, and I aimed to approach it with as much nuance and depth as possible. It’s always rewarding to know when those efforts are appreciated. Cheers for taking the time to share your thoughts!
Here is a film in which AI images and some short AI videos are used to tell the ‘lore’ of Gandalf. I think it's a great mix, even if not every image is perfect in itself. But here we see how much entertainment and insight can be gained from the 3rd dimension of spoken video when AI images are generated. It truly benefits for the viewer to grasp the idea clearer and the author can create and select the images fitting to his inner view. It is exactly this what makes AI art so useful and gives me hope, that people, normal people without 20 years studying 5 different arts can yet make something captivating. Well done. I learned, and I was pleasantly entertained as well. :)
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and encouraging words! It’s wonderful to hear that you enjoyed the mix of AI visuals and spoken storytelling. The goal was exactly that-blending technology with creativity to bring Tolkien’s world to life in a way that’s both insightful and engaging. Your hope for AI making art accessible to more people is inspiring, and I’m glad this project reflects that potential. Truly grateful for your support-it means a lot!
I'm happy to see another Tolkien channel, but I think your a bit off in this one. Gandalf the Gray was not Olorin. While Gandalf & Olorin were technically the same being, Gandalf was one of the Istari, a wizard clad in human flesh & bone. He did not have the full power of the maiar available to him even if he had wanted to use it. When Gandalf the Gray died and was resurrected as Gandalf the White by Eru Illuvitar after sacrificing himself to defeat the balrog and save the rest of the Fellowship, he was still in human form and still didn't have the full power of a maia, although he was much closer. When the Valar sent the Istari back to Middle Earth, Manwe didn't just tell them not to use their full powers. Those powers were blocked and unavailable to them.
Thank you for such a thoughtful and detailed comment! You bring up excellent points about the limitations placed on the Istari and how those restrictions were more intrinsic than voluntary. Gandalf’s progression from the Grey to the White, and the role of Eru Ilúvatar in his resurrection, is such a fascinating moment in Tolkien’s work-it highlights the theme of sacrifice and renewal so beautifully. I also appreciate your emphasis on the Istari being intentionally distanced from their full power as Maiar to fulfill their mission humbly. It’s a nuanced aspect of the lore that deserves exploration-thank you for sharing your insights!
I agree with the later part of your comment but am confused as to why Olorin isn’t Gandalf the Grey? I’d always assumed that he was Olorin with limitation set upon him before we meet him in the story. If I’m misunderstanding something let me know. I never finished the silmarilion and never sought the additional Christopher releases, but that’s gonna change this holiday!
To bring different types of people together who would not normally mix is a super human power to me. The ability to talk and get along with almost anybody is a gift.
Absolutely! Gandalf’s ability to unitesuch vasstly different characters-from hobbits to dwarves, elves, and men-is truly remarkable. It’s a testament to his wisdom, humility, and understanding of people’s strengths and weaknesses. That kind of power, the ability to bring people together for a greater purposeis indeed a rare and incredible gift. Thank you for sharing this wonderful insight!
I might argue that Melian the Maia, mother of Luthien with an elf-king (ancestress of both Aragorn -- through Elros Tar-Minyatur, and Arwen -- through Elros' twin Elrond) was more powerful AND an advocate of free will as she resisted even the Vala Morgoth's plans in the 1st Age
What an excellent point! Melian’s role as both a Maia and a key player in resisting Morgoth’s schemes highlights her incredible power and wisdom. Her influence, through Lúthien and her descendants, reverberates across the ages of Middle-earth. Melian’s blend of authority, foresight, and resistance to evil shows how profound her impact was, especially in contrast to others like Saruman, who strayed from their path. Truly one of the most fascinating characters in Tolkien’s legendarium-thank you for bringing her up!
The Istari WERE limited in the power that they could wield. Gandalf fought a Balrog (another Maiar) one-on-one and won at the cost of his own life, but the Elf-lords of the First Age could do that much and more. Among the limits, they required a staff to focus their power through to do much of anything "magical." For example, when Gandalf broke Saruman's staff, Saruman became little more than a mortal man with a powerful charisma, susceptible to being killed with a mere rusty knife. My own understanding is that the Istari did have power due to their origins as Maia, but most of that power came from the knowledge they had of the world and the authority vested in them by their Vala patrons. Galadriel and Elrond, by virtue of having lived several thousand years and being rulers of their people, had similar levels of power born of knowledge and authority. Galadriel single-handedly destroyed Dol Guldur, for example. And while Gandalf was an inspiring figure, part of that (and his affinity for fire magic) can be attributed to being the secret bearer of Narya, the Elven Ring of Fire. Gandalf the WHITE clearly had many of those limitations removed. For example, in the siege of Minas Tirith, he plans to 1-v-1 the Witch-King of the Nazgul, knowing that "no man" can slay him, and it never occurs to him to inspire Eowyn and Merry (neither a man) to take him out. Unlike in the movies, the Witch-King isn't even close to a match for him, but Gandalf is forced away from the confrontation in order to save Faramir's life. But even so, he still isn't strong enough to go after Sauron directly, even though Sauron doesn't have the Ring and is greatly diminished as a result. Gandalf considers the march on the Black Gates to be a suicide run intended only to give Frodo a diversion; would he if he could, even as the White Wizard, wield his full power as a Maiar? So Gandalf's temptation was not to wave his hand and destroy whole armies, but rather to use his knowledge of the hearts of Men, Elves, Dwarves, and Hobbits to manipulate them into doing his bidding rather than inspire them to become heroes in their own rights. He gave Bilbo a push out the door because he knew the Hobbit from the time Bilbo was a child and knew that he secretly craved the adventure; he would not have done so with a random Hobbit who he did not know so well. But even knowing that Frodo had the Ring and was probably the only person who could carry it safely to Rivendell--and from there to Mordor--Gandalf refused to ask, let alone manipulate Frodo's love for his fellow Shirefolk to pressure him into the Quest.
Wow, @ReturnofBenjamin, this is an incredibly thorough and thought-provoking breakdown.Thank you for sharing it! You’ve beautifully captured the nuanced balance between the Istari’s inherent power as Maiar and the limits imposed by the Valar, as well as howtheir power often manifested through wisdom, authority, and inspiration rather than raw might. Your point abot Gandalf’s reliance on his staff and the power of Narya adds a fascinating layer to understanding his abilities. It’s also a great reminder of how the Istari were not just constrained by external limits but by their moral mission to guide, not dominate-a delicate line that Gandalf walked with such care. The contrast you draw between Gandalf the Grey and the White is particularly compelling, especially in his willingness to face the Witch-King and how his limitations still shaped his choices during the siege of Minas Tirith. And the temptation you’ve outlined-of using his vast knowledge to manipulate instead of inspire-is such an insightful observation. It truly underscores what made Gandalf’s role so complex and admirable. Thank you again for such a rich and detailed comment-it’s a pleasure to delve into these layers of Tolkien’s world with thoughtful perspectives like yours!
Very true, I have posted about this many times, it was one of the most ridiculous parts of the movie. If you didn't read the book you would be puzzled how Gandalf the White was overwhelmed by the Nazgul and a little hobbit with a dagger could cause so much damage to the witch king (they omitted the part where the hobbits get their dagger, that were actually enchanted blades made by the dunedain to fight the witch king.
There was another epic battle that happened when gandalf faced the nazgul at weathertop before frodo and the others arrived. This would have been a much greater spectacle than any elf would have mustered imo. Frodo witnessed it from a great distance (some miles) and could see the fire and light of the great battle. Though the battle never gets fully detailed i imagine it was one of the greatest displays of magic that occurred during the third age.
@DanReed-fi4ov True, but notice that all Gandalf could do there was hold them off for the night and then lead them off in the morning. Gandalf the White planned to kill the Witch King personally. Actually, here's a thought: One of Gandalf's limits might have been against using magic directly to slay anything, which is why he tends to use a sword... and perhaps as the White Wizard, he no longer had that limitation.
This would make me want to raise a counterpoint; if Gandalf was restraining so much of his power, and wasn't simply more limited in what he could do, in this enmantled body, then how much more powerful are we assuming he is than Saruman? The White Wizard eventually fell to darkness, and mostly woyld have abandoned restraint, so if any of the Istari were so formidable, why didn't Saruman seem so powerful, once he had forgone concealing his true power? It's fine to say Gandalf might've actually been stronger than him, but a fair bit of what Saruman seemed to do, as a villain, was more on account of knowledge he had, and skill, than outright, mountain-warping might. Once he no longer cared, or even felt cornered, as everyone, Sauron included, had become aware of his treachery, what was still limiting his celestial might?
Cheers for sharing this fascinating perspective, @venkelos6996! You’ve really got me thinkiing about the complexities of power between Gandalf and Saruman. I truly appreciate the time you’ve taken to write such a thoughtful comment. it’s exactly the kind of discussion that makes diving into Tolkien’s work so rewarding, isn’t it? You’re spot on about the Istari and the restrictions placed on them by the Valar. Both Gandalf and Saruman were Maiar, both immensely powerful beings, but they were sent to Middle-earth in limited, mortal forms to guide and inspire and not to dominate. Their “enchanted bodies,” as you’ve mentioned, were meant to keep that balance intact. Now, Saruman’s fall is such an interesting one. He did abandon restraint when he turned to treachery, but it wasn’t his raw power that made him dangerous, was it? It was his cunning, his intellect, and that voice of his-how he could twist others to his will. That was always his sharpest weapon, not brute strength, I perceive. Then there’s Gandalf. His power was rooted in his humility and purpose. He knew how dangerous it would be to fully unleash his potential, which is why he outright refused Frodo’s offer of the One Ring. Tolkien himself wrote in Letter #156 that Gandalf as Ring-Lord would’ve been “far worse than Sauron,” because of how his “righteous” intentions could’ve twisted into tyranny. It’s not just about raw power but about how you use it, or in Gandalf’s case, how you don’t. I love how Tolkien explores power as both a physical and moral concept. You’ve raised such a brilliant point about Saruman that maybe his downfall wasn’t about lacking might, but about the way he wielded what he had. What a fascinating take! I’d love to keep the conversation going if you’ve got more insights. Tolkien’s world is full of layers, and I always enjoy unpacking them with fellow fans. Cheers!
It is my understanding that as Morgoth & Sauron used their powers in the physical plane they were not regenerated bc they had been cut off from the Valar & ultimately from the One Power of Creation Eru by their wicked deeds. Morgoth was one of the Valar (primordial sources of power) but the longer he stayed on Earth he became more bound to the physical body he inhabited AND with each wicked deed he was cut off from the Source of Creation. Sauron was one of the Maiar & thus was not a primordial source of power and thus his power was even more subject to reduction than Morgoth. So Gandalf was as powerful as Sauron but the reasoning behind his restraint is that it had already been demonstrated that Morgoth & Sauron paid a terrible price of reduction for their power in the mortal plane & that unrestrained power in the physical plane ultimately corrupted any entity that used it except for the Valar. This is presumeably because the Valar is still connected to the One Power of Creation Eru. And I am assuming this would have remained so for Gandalf so long as he did not begin to do evil in his mortal form. Remember all beings such as Maiar & elves had both a mortal self and a spiritual self. The physical body could die but this did not effect their ethereal selves. Except again as Morgoth and Sauron did evil deeds affected both their physical forms AND their ethereal forms.
@@philipchurch9848 There is another addition to everything you typed. That Morgoth and Sauron both became fully physical, and losing their ethereal forms ONLY after directly moving against the Valar themselves. In Morgoth, he lost his ethereal form the instant he asked Ungoliant to kill the Two Trees, and Sauron lost his ethereal form, when he convinced the Numenorians to invade Valinor, and was only saved by Numenor's fall with the One Ring having a portion of his power.
Saruman could not remove the restrains put to his power, as they came from the Valar. Gandalf was actually brought back by Iluvatar, not the Valar and still wasn't at his full might, but more powerful than before. Saruman probably didn't even remember who he really was, he was the head of the order but not necessarily more powerful.
Hey @gfmundial, Thank you so much for the kind words! I’m glad you enjoyed the storytelling and imagery-Middle-earth deserves nothing less than its own magic brought to life.
Ah, a bit of wisdom from Lao Tzu-how fitting in the context of Gandalf’s role in Middle-earth! His leadership, much like the master in this quote, was never about drawing attention to his own greatness but about enabling others to rise to the occasion. His strength wasn’t just in power but in the ability to bring out the courage and resilience of those around him. Thank you for sharing this-it’s a beautifully poetic way to think about Gandalf’s mission!
I think it would be interesting to see a Gandalf TV series of him wandering through Middle-Earth _Incredible Hulk_ style solving disputes, rescuing people, and getting involved in court politics over the part of the Third Age when The One Ring was still on the bed of the Anduin. His use of power could be small comical moments instead of pivotal dramatic ones so we see that he uses mischief as a way of dulling the temptation to tap into his full strength.
hey @Theomite! Absolutely agree-this is such an intriguing idea! A Gandalf TV series with him wandering Middle-earth in a mix of *Incredible Hulk* and *The Mandalorian* style would be phenomenal. Picture it: Gandalf showing up in villages or courts, getting involved in everything from petty disputes to grand political schemes, all while radiating that understated wisdom and charm we know and love. His use of subtle magic and mischief could add a layer of whimsy, showcasing his restraint and his clever way of turning small moments into significant ones. This approach would also give us a chance to explore the quieter, less-documented corners of Middle-earth during the Third Age. It could provide a fascinating contrast to the epic battles of *The Lord of the Rings*, focusing instead on Gandalf's day-to-day impact-rescuing lost travelers, subtly influencing key figures, and maybe even planting the seeds of alliances that later come into play. And those small, comical uses of power? That would be pure gold, a great way to show how he balances his immense capabilities with the Valar's restrictions and his own humility. It’s the kind of series that could blend drama, humor, and the rich lore of Middle-earth seamlessly while giving us a deeper look at one of Tolkien’s most beloved characters. Someone pitch this to a studio now!
@@inmiddleearth I also like the idea that he could have epic adventure into the North into the wastes of the Forodwaith, nearly freezing to death in Angmar and Gundabad, and all in search of some major evil he's been hearing about...and finding nothing. The entire journey was a waste of time and he didn't encounter anything beyond a few wargs and so what he thought was going to be an intrepid espionage mission just turned into a survival journey and he steps back out into the Rovanion exhausted and trudges down to Erebor dragging his staff behind him and finally collapsing in the dinner hall after his food arrives at his table. The implication being that he has to deal with crap like this all the time.
Thank you so much for the kind words! It really means a a lot to hear that the interpretation resonated with you. One of the greatest joys in exploring Tolkien’s world is unpacking the layers of meaning and symbolism he wove into his stories. Characters like Tom Bombadil or Gandalf often invite us to step beyond traditional narratives and see the deeper philosophical or mythological undertones. It’s always a privilege to share these ideas and engage with others who appreciate the depth and nuance of Tolkien’s work. Im grateful you took the time to share your thoughts-it keeps the conversation alive and makes creating this content even more rewarding!
There is still a thing that should be addressed about the Jackson Hobbit. The Troll gold. In the book it mentions the cooking pot being used by the Trolls as they are found. Then later it mentions a number of these pots in a corner full of gold. Now certainly this would describe a rather large amount of gold? More than a pony could carry. Needing a team of horses and a heavy duty wagon to transport the gokd to Bag End. Therefore needing a sizeable storage space inside Bag End. This also opens the door for some sort of magical treasure besides the swords in the troll hoard, or a number of magical treasures. Like perhaps a magical beverage container which when water is added is transmuted into something especially good!
That’s a fascinating observation! The mention of troll gold in the book does raise some intriguing logistical questions-how did they manage to transport all of it, and where did it ultimately end up? The idea of Bag End needing additional storage for such a hoard is an amusing image, especially when you consider Bilbo’s modest lifestyle! Your suggestion of magical treasures beyond the swords is also a fun avenue to explore. A magical beverage container that transforms water into something special sounds delightfully in line with Tolkien’s imaginative world-building. Perhaps it would have had some connection to the elves or dwarves? It makes me wonder what other forgotten treasures might have been lurking in that troll hoard. Thank you for sparking this curious train of thought!
There is a large oversight in the Jackson production of the Hobbit. AZOG Just before the battle of five armies. Gandalf is talking to Dain as the goblin army appears. Gandalf identifies the goblin leader to Dain by saying, Bolg whose father you slew in Moria. Meaning Dain Killed Bolg's father in Moria. Then as we know Azog was Bolg's father. Therefore apparently that part of the Book went unnoticed because Azog was dead.
Ah yes, the curious case of Azog the Undead. It seems Peter Jackson gave us a bit of creative necromancy here! Tolkien had Azog neatly dispatched longbefore the events of The Hobbit, but the movies decided to give him a dramati encore. Perhaps Azog was just really determined not to let death ruin his big moment. Either way, it does make for some entertaining debate over Jackson’s embellishments. Thanks for pointing this out-Middle-earth never runs out of things to discuss!
Here's a challenging physics question, solve it: Question: The Twin Paradox in General Relativity Two twins, Alice and Bob, start from Earth. Alice remains on Earth, while Bob travels to a distant star 10 light-years away at a speed of 0.8c (where is the speed of light) and then returns to Earth at the same speed. Assume acceleration and deceleration are instantaneous. 1. What is the proper time experienced by Bob during his journey? 2. How much time has passed for Alice on Earth when Bob returns? 3. Discuss the implications of the result in the context of time dilation and spacetime geometry.
That’s quite the challenge-Gandalfwould certainly appreciate your curiosity! While he’d likely answer with a riddle orr wisdom about the nature of time, the Twin Paradox is a fascinating topic in its own right. Maybe it’s a reminder that whether in Middle-earth or physics, time is a mysterious force worth exploring!
Actually in book it was Gilgalad and Elendil with their blades forged with spells of Doom against evil, much like Merry's westetnesse blade, that slew Saurons body but died from their wounds. It was Isulder who took up the broken sword of Elindil and cut off the Ring from Saurons newly dead body. So in the movie a good addition at sone Ai opportunity would show Sauron being slain by Isulder a second after cutting off the Ring would fit editing. That's why a scene like Isulder using a Wimbledon Tennis move, leaping up one thigh high and double gripped hilt with a forehand swing in close quarters to at lest cut Saurons throat or decapitate, would result in the next scene of Sauron implosion and explosion and helm falling to the ground!
You’ve done a fantastic job connecting the lore with your vision for how the scene might play out with some cinematic flair. It’s true that Gil-galad and Elendil played pivotal roles in Sauron’s defeat during the War of the Last Alliance, and their sacrifice laid the groundwork for Isildur’s moment with the Ring. Tolkien’s narrative in The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings doesn’t provide all the gritty details of that final battle, leaving plenty of room for creative interpretation. Your suggestion of Isildur finishing off Sauron with a move worthy of Wimbledon does add an entertaining spin! It would definitely give us a more dramatic transition to the iconic scene of Sauron’s helm hitting the ground. That said, I think Tolkien’s intention with Isildur was to show him as someone thrust into greatness by circumstance rather than heroism-perhaps explaining why his critical choice with the Ring later came from weakness rather than strength. I also love the connection you make to Merry’s blade, reforged with spells of Westernesse, as it shows how Tolkien often emphasized the importance of the past’s craftsmanship and intent in defeating evil. Your enthusiasm and thought-provoking take really bring the battle to life-thank you for sharing such a vivid and fun perspective!
The transition from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White is a profound moment in Tolkien’s legendarium, both symbolically and narratively. At its core, this transformation represents a renewal of purpose, a cleansing of failure, and an elevation in authority and wisdom. As Gandalf the Grey, he was one of the Istari sent by the Valar to guide the free peoples of Middle-earth in their struggle against Sauron. However, as a Maia (an angelic being), Gandalf’s power was deliberately restrained. His mission was to inspire and advise, not to dominate or impose his will through overt displays of power. His limitations symbolized the humility and restraint necessary to fulfill his role without falling into the same traps of pride and ambition that ensnared Saruman. When Gandalf faced the Balrog in the Mines of Moria, it was a battle of immense consequence. He triumphed but at the cost of his own life-or rather, the life of his physical form. This self-sacrifice was pivotal. Gandalf’s willingness to lay down his life for his companions and the greater good aligned with his mission to serve, not rule. After his death, Gandalf was sent back by Eru Ilúvatar, the supreme deity in Tolkien’s mythology, to complete his task. This return as Gandalf the White marked his ascension to a higher status among the Istari. Symbolically, white is a color of purity, renewal, and authority. As the White, Gandalf effectively replaced Saruman, who had fallen into corruption and betrayal. With this new mantle came greater clarity of purpose and an enhanced ability to act decisively. Gandalf the White was no longer merely a guide; he became a leader who could take direct action when necessary. He had a sharper focus and a deeper understanding of the stakes in the battle against Sauron. However, even as the White, his power remained balanced by his mission. He still could not confront Sauron directly or wield his might recklessly. Instead, he continued to rely on wisdom, strategy, and the courage of those he inspired. This transformation also underscores a recurring theme in Tolkien’s work: the idea of death and resurrection leading to greater wisdom and purpose. Like Frodo and Sam’s journey into Mordor or Aragorn’s path to the throne, Gandalf’s death and rebirth reflect the trials that forge true leaders and heroes. In summary, the transition from Grey to White was not just a change in appearance or status; it was a profound evolution of Gandalf’s role in Middle-earth’s story. It elevated him as a beacon of hope and a symbol of resilience, reflecting Tolkien’s belief in the power of sacrifice, renewal, and the triumph of purpose over ambition.
Love that Tolkien considered animals, birds and 'the forest' aka the natural world to be worthy of one of the great wizards essentially abandoning his charge and choosing to be their advocate instead. Or did he abandon his charge? What was the plan for Radagast, why was he sent. It seems we really don't know. He was called a fool by Saruman but this was after Saruman definitely fell from his own task, and its suggested that Radagast did not fail.
That’s sucha thoughtful observation! Radagast’s role often feelss overlooked, but you’re absolutely right-his connection to nature is profound. While Saruman dismissed him as a fool, it’s clear Tolkien didn’t see it that way. Radagast may not have engaged in the grand conflicts of Middle-earth like Gandalf, but his focus on the care of animals, birds, and the natural world aligns perfectly with his task. Some would argue that Radagast fulfilled his charge in his own way-protecting life in all its smaller, quieter forms while Saruman fell to corruption. In Tolkien’s world, that kind of humility and devotion is never wasted. A fascinating perspective-thank you for sharing it!
This is not a canonical interpretation of the power of the Istari. It’s true the Istari were expected to show restraint in the use of their full powers. But they were also given mortal forms (or hröa) which inherently limited their ability to wield the full power of their Maiar nature. They could disobey the mandate of their missions by MISUSING the powers they did have, such as with Saruman, but it would ultimately lead to their undoing. That’s why you see Gandalf showing uncharacteristically greater telekinetic powers (for example) when directly fighting Saruman, but only then. Gandalf exercised more restraint than Saruman, but much of this restraint was already imposed by the Valar in the physical forms they were given. Adding the one ring would change this, but that’s another story.
Ah, I see you’vedone your homework-well said! You’re absolutely right that the Istari, being Maiar in mortal forms (or hröa, as Tolkien so eloquently puts it), wereboth limited and tasked with restraint. Their mission wasn’t to dominat or dazzle with raw power but to guide and inspire the Free Peoples of Middle-earth. And yes, Saruman is a brilliant example of what happens when that mandate is misused. He tried to bend his gifts to his own will, and we all know how that turned out. Gandalf, on the other hand, understood the wisdom of subtlety, though it’s fascinating to see how even he had moments of bending the rules-his confrontation with Saruman being a fine example. Your point about the One Ring is tantalising, too. The very nature of the Ring would’ve amplified and corrupted their power in ways that could’ve undone their mission entirely. It’s always fascinating to imagine what might have been, but I think we can both agree Tolkien’s restraint in these matters makes the story all the richer. Lovely comment-thank you for sharing it!
Beautifully said-a tightrope walk indeed. Gandalf’s restraint in wielding his power is a fascinating balancing act between fulfilling his mission and staying true to the limitations placed upon him. Thank you for capturing that essence so eloquently
The Jackson production of LOTR overall is rather well done with an amazing cast. Except well although the actor cast for Aragorn did a good job. There was quite a discrepancy between his stature and voice versus the Tolkien depiction. Perhaps the most glaring fault is the slaying of Sauron. Yes Tolkien states Isulder cut the ring from Saurons hand. But it seems like at least one more additional stroke would be necessary. Very likely by a magical weapon that either stabs Sauron in the heart or that decapitated him. Some additional stroke besides merely cutting the ring off.
I completely agree that the Jackson production brought Tolkien’s world to life in a remarkable way with an incredible cast. While Aragorn’s portrayal did deviate a bit from Tolkien’s original description, I think Viggo Mortensen brought a depth and intensity to the role that really resonated with audiences. Your point about Sauron’s defeat is interesting! Tolkien does describe Isildur cutting the Ring from Sauron’s hand as the critical moment, but imagining a more dramatic or magical final blow is definitely intriguing. It could have added a heightened sense of finality to the scene, though Tolkien’s focus on the power of the Ring rather than physical combat is what makes his storytelling so unique. Thank you again for such a thoughtful comment-it’s great to explore these details with fellow fans!
@inmiddleearth an additional stroke with a magical weapon, perhaps a double strike by Isulder where in a spin move cuts the ring away then a 2nd spin and a leaping up swing, like a thigh up and the other leg out and down(like a tennis swong one thigh up and double handed grip on the racket like Wombledon) a double handed sword stroke that decapitates Sauron. Since it would have to be a close quarter stroke ad the Sword of Elindil was broken in half. Thus it's clear that Sairons physical life is forfeit and the only remaining tie to existence for Sauron is the Rimg. A nice touch would be taking Saurons helm also and placed somewhere in Minas Tirith. When Sauron reappears it should be remembered his vanity and a constructed appearance that is vainly handsome and alluring to flatter and lure others with pleasures besides power. Surely some vain monarchy weak minded man way out in east middle earth could be perhaps a vessel, kind of like the dark wizard in Harry potter did with that professor in sorcerers stone or something. With well groomed short hair and a goatee or celtic chin beard masculine and muscular. Aaaanyway might as well add bits to enhance the role of Sauron to more than a one Dimensional role. The Eye could still be on the tower like perhaps even in a floating enlarged palantir or something. When the Ring is destroyed the enlarged palantir could be flung and land and then come to rest at the foot of Aragorn! All this could be done with the same amazing cast production by reconstructing parts with Ai!
But did Sauron understand this? If so, then his actions make no sense, because he knew he would lose either way: either the way he actually lost, or because at the moment of victory, Gandalf could step into his Mayar power and squash him.
That’s an excellent point,and it reallly highlights the depth of Sauron’s flawed thinking. His actions often stemmed not from rational calculationsbut from pride and an overestimation of his dominance. Even if he understood Gandalf’s true potential-or that of the Free Peoples-his arrogance likely blinded him to the possibility of failure. He couldn’t conceive of defeat because he saw himself as the master of all outcomes. Tolkien paints Sauron as a character whose hubris and single-minded lust for power overshadowed his ability to truly understand those he opposed. So while he may have feared a Maia’s strength, like Gandalf stepping into his full power, Sauron’s ego would never allow him to admit it or plan for it. It’s the classic downfall of many villains in Middle-earth: their inability to see beyond their own ambition. A fantastic observation-thank you for sparking such a thought-provoking discussion!
There is a creature among others, which has definitely been overlooked for potential mentioned in the Hobbit, the Thrush birds. Tolkien describes the Thrush birds east of the Misty Mountains as - a "magical" and long lived race. The ability to speak a native language does not seem magical, so there must be a potential for other magical abilities. Take for instance, when Gandalf tracks Beorn back into the Misty Mountain area. I suspect even a single Thrush feather could have magical properties which when combined with a magic wizard spell could have uses innate to flying. In other words, if Gandalf cast a magic spell into a magical Thrush feather it could have tracked Beorn and returned with that information. Instead of Gandalf physically tracking Beorn. This potential could be used later in LOTR to help Gandalf track a route through Moria. Then also a magical bird species would have definitely developed a relationship with Radagast for potential additional story lines! Thrush feathers would be handy to poke into a wizard hat and certainly go unnoticed by Saruman when Gandalf was held captive on Orthanc.
This is such an inventive take on the Thrush birds! Tolkien certainly left room for wonder in his descriptions of creatures like these, and your idea of magical Thrush feathers aiding Gandalf or Radagast is quite enchanting. It’s true that the Thrush plays a pivotal role in The Hobbit-a small yet mighty messenger. Imagining them with even more magical properties that could influence broader events in The Lord of the Rings is a delightful expansion. The thought of Thrush feathers being infused with wizardry and playing into unseen storylines-like aiding Gandalf in Orthanc or assisting in navigation through Moria-is such a creative touch. Your idea also emphasizes Tolkien’s recurring theme of small, seemingly insignificant elements making a profound impact. Thank you for sharing this imaginative perspective! It’s the kind of detail that keeps Middle-earth alive for all of us.
@inmiddleearth Alive in 2025! U R SO Charming♥️ aaand since a magical feather it could still be a quill to write out a message to someone or bring one back to Gandalf!
Hey @wethepeople6940! Bravo to you for sticking through it all! I hhope the reiteration made the point resonate, and I’m glad the visuals kept you entertained. Sometimes, 15 minutes can feel like an epic journey-or just the prologue to one. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Gandalf was known as the GREY Pilgrim, not the Wise one. He had humility which “wise” Saruman lacked. I’m glad that your second mention of him was correct.
Hi @dougr.2398! Ah, the Grey Pilgrim indeed! You’re absolutely right-Gandalf’s humility was a defining trait that set him apart, particularly from Saruman. Thank you for pointing that out and for appreciating the correction in the video. Tolkien’s characters always seem to spark these wonderful discussions. Cheers!
I"m no Tolkien scholar not even a student, but I have spent some of my time trying to comprehend what more learnered Tolkien Enthusiasts have postulated. If going by the subject in the video and applying that across all the Maia, then serious questions must be asked., especially about Sauron ( and Morgoth to an extent). The Maia sent by the Valar in 3rd age were severely restricted intentionally ( now the Idtari), so they would not by thelmselves weild their full potential., intentionally so, and for several reasons....Tolkien was explicit about their memories of home and the Valar. So it is doubtful in Istari form they even knew of their real potential in unrestricted form. Sauron had no such restrictions placed on him, but he too was limited ( same as Morgoth). These limitations were self inflicted, and most likely unintentionally considering their thirst for dominion over creation. It wasn't simply because they were evil. Personally I like to think of it as a fail safe by Eru, to give his creation a more balanced chance to flourish. The unintentionally self inflicted limitation I speak of is the diminishing power both Morgoth and Sauron suffered. Still immensely powerful, their proclivity to imbue ( for lack of a better word) essence into things they have corrupted be it a life ( Dragons) or inanimate object ( Rings of power) diminished a part of them. Spread that concept out amongst all the powerful corrupted creatures of Morgoth, then apply that same thought to Sauron and his corruptions and you begin to see how their physical forms become weaker, but their innate abilities as well. But it also explains why things like dragons are so powerful, why Nazgul are equslly dangerous to Elves and Men. Then couple that with physical places that were also corrupted, like the poisonous rivers or forests. You begin to see why they were depleting themsrlves unintentionally. Without a power to create life only to corrupt the picture becomes even clearer. There is a reason Dragons were so powerful in the first age...they had direct links to Morgoths power. Morgoth initially corrupted the angelic beings like maia ( Balrogs)...that couldn't have been a simple task either. It could also be a reason later on, Ungoliant was a threat to a weaker Morgoth. And smaug or tge Baltog, both potential allies to and not a servant of Sauron ( he was not powerful enough to destroy something as powerful as a Balrog for sure, one of the last "Great" Dragons such as Smaug was, also debatable) Sauron did not escape thevfate of diminished power. The one ring is a very good example of Sauron putting a part of himself into an object thereby weakening himself ( I suspect that is one of many reasons he wants it back so urgently). Now having considered the one ring imbued with Saurons power in the hands of a restricted Wizard, that changes everything for them. It might also be why Sauroumon sought out the ring for himself not fully remembering his original self, but knowing the ring will increase what does know about himself makes the temptation worth exploring in his mind. To overcome the restrictions placed him him by the Valar...obtaining an article of power from another Maia that had not faced such restrictions changes everything. Gandalf strength of character allowed him to resist but his innate abilites ( probably unknown to him as it is just part of him probably supported that strength of character as well). . If we Keep in mind the Istari not only had restrictions but no memories of their prior selves, power and the Valar were distant memories ( another form of limitation) it makes the story so much richer, they cant just brnd all things to their will as Eru intentionally designed it that way. Gandalf had eons in middle earth time to come to terms with these understandings of himself tgat at first were new. It is no wonder he feared what power he could have if he was in possession of the one ring. Sauron having been severely weakened by his deeds ( and Morgoth weakened, handless and banished a non facor to Saurons end fame) is desperate to get back a part of himself and his power. All of this is known by the more educated Tolkien fans. For newer folks such as myself...we have to take this in small bites. It is so interesting to hear perspectives that cause new thoughts....and that ALL hoes back to genius of Tolkiens abilities. We will forever debate, postulate, theorize and contemplate the Words of Tolkien.❤
Thank you for such a detailed and thought-provoking comment! The depth of your analysis and the connections you’ve drawn truly enrich the discussion. Tolkien’s work indeed lends itself to these layered interpretations, and you’ve captured the intricacy beautifully. Your reflections on the limitations and self-inflicted diminishment of power add so much to the understanding of Morgoth and Sauron’s arcs. Kudos for taking the time to share this-I can tell you’re as passionate about Tolkien’s legendarium as many of us here!
Spot on, @cedricthomas4867! Eönwë, the Herald of Manwë, is indeed described as the mightiest with arms in all of Arda. Tolkien gives us glimpses of his immense power in The Silmarillion. As the chief of the Maiar serving Manwë, Eönwë was unmatched in combat skill, leading the host of the Valar during the War of Wrath that ultimately defeated Morgoth. It’s fascinating to think about Eönwë’s role in the great conflicts of the First Age, especially considering that, despite his strength, he didn’t act alone but led a united host. Tolkien’s world always seems to emphasise that true strength isn’t just about might, but also about leadership and purpose. Thanks for bringing him up-Eönwë doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough in conversations about Middle-earth’s greatest powers! What’s your favourite moment involving him? Would love to hear your thoughts. Cheers! 😊
He didn't restrain himself against the Balrog; no one who has been in a desperate fight would do that. He used as much power as he had available at the time. I thought this was the nature of his incarnation as Gandalf the grey and the difference between this and Gandalf the white.
That’s a great observation, James! Gandalf’s battle with the Balrog was indeed a desperate fightand it makes sense that he’d use all the power he had at his disposal in that moment. The distinction you’ve drawn between Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White is spot on-it highlights the evolution in his role and power after his resurrection. Thanks for adding such a thoughtful perspective to the conversation!
I know he held back his power out of concern for the well-being of the children of Illuvitar. Then Círdan gave him the ring of fire. As a servent of the sacred fire using the ring Narya, he knew the extent of his power. He also knew there would be consequences if he used that power without holding back. The Children of Eru were his to guide against evil and the looming shadows. His true power was bringing the best of the free peoples of middle earth together, and acting as a lieutenant against Sauron, with Aaragorn leading the men and elves. Edit: damn I really just said what you said, just to a lesser extent 😂
Haha, no worries, mate! You might’ve just echoed it, but you added a lovely bit of flavor along the way. The point about Narya and Gandalf’s focus on uniting the Free Peoples is spot-on. And hey, as long as we’re all diving deep into Tolkien’s world, the more perspectives, the better! Appreciate the thoughtfulness here-and the laugh at the end was the cherry on top! Cheers!
He summarised this when he said "Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment". Gandalf says this to Frodo in The Fellowship of the Ring. Gandalf continues, "Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many". As did Galadriel when she passed the test.
What a brilliant connection to that powerful quote! Gandalf’s wisdom in that moment reminds us of the importance of humility and restraint when wielding power or making judgments. It reflects his deeper understanding of the complexities of morality and the unpredictable outcomes of life and death. Thank you for sharing this-it encapsulates so much of what makes his character resonate
Ah, repetition-the hallmark of emphasis and thoroughness, or as you see it, redundancy. But hey, who needs clarity or layered nuance when a single bullet point would suffice, right? Thanks for powering through the "over and over" to leave your thoughts-guess it must’ve been compelling enough to stick around! 😉
Ah, a fellow keeper of secret vehicular powers! Let’s just hope your car’s terrifying abilities lean more towards Gandalf’s subtle wisdom and less towards Sauron’s fiery ambitions. Drive wisely, my friend-you may have a Balrog under the hood!
This is a lovely video. But it seems to me that this video is assuming that Gandalf as an Istari, in his old man form, has immediate and ongoing access to the same level of power as he did as Olorin, the Maiar. I don’t think that’s true however. The limits on the Istari’s power were not predominantly self enforced, but came with the mantle and mission itself, including a certain loss of some level of self awareness upon incarnation. At some point I remember learning that Mithrandir, as the elves knew him, wouldn’t have had full memory of his time before, only a subtle longing for it, and a drive to complete his mission. This gets to the confusion in some of the other comments as well wondering if other maiar had access to immediate battle-ending or mountain-moving levels of power. They didn’t, even if they gave up on self-restraint. Not Gandalf, or Radagast, or Saruman who eventually didn’t care about the restrictions of the original mission, not even the Balrog, or Sauron who where also Maiar… None of them could just unleash absolute or even angelic levels of power at will. A major amount of the restrictions seem to have just come from being enfleshed/incarnate. This is why Saruman or even Sauron or the Balrog could still be wounded and in some cases killed by regular physical means. An incarnate Maiar is already vastly restricted. I think that unlike the issue of the last time the valar and Maiar intervened that caused the destruction of half the continent, embodied Maiar are just inherently less powerful. So yes, Gandalf is restricted in his use of power, and even after that is still choosing non-forceful methods to encourage others, but he is not in this perpetual agonizing temptation to use his power in the way the video describes. Great overall description of a lot of the aspects of the character and themes of the story. A good model for all of us who have access to power and influence, don’t make it about ourselves.
Cheers for such a thorough and insightful comment,mate! You’ve really captured the complexity ofthe Istari’s limitations and their purpose in Middle-earth. I love the point about the ‘enfleshed’ Maiar-so true that their incarnate forms inherently restricted their power, making their missions as guides rather than dominators all the more poignant. You’re absolutely right that the restrictions weren’t just self-imposed but tied to their mission, which makes Gandalf’s restraint all the more admirable. And yes, the subtle loss of awareness and the challenges of their incarnate forms add another layer to their struggles. The way you described it really deepens the understanding of their role, and I completely agree that Gandalf wasn’t perpetually agonising over temptation but instead focused on inspiring others. Thanks for this brilliant contribution @alexanderportolov it’s always a pleasure to see Tolkien’s world explored in such depth. Hope to hear more of your thoughts!
I would have to look it up, it says Milian took the form she did to have more power directly over things in Middle Earth and in that form she was able to get the king,Thingol, a son,Dior. Also in that form she was able to aid in the defense of the Kingdom with the girdle. (Magical fence around the kingdom) So she retained great power and was able to have a child, but was also limited by that form in the world. She did not switch back and forth. She only returned to her true form with the death of her husband and she returned to Valinor.
Hey @Mithrandyr, I’m glad you enjoyed the artwork! Most of the visuals used in the video are created to match the tone and themes of Tolkien’s world, and they often come from custom prompts and a keen eye for detail. If you’re interested in a particular piece, let me know, I’d love to share more about how it came together! Thanks for noticing and appreciating the visuals.
Hints of an upcoming Arnor trilogy are intriguing as it could include the arrival of Hobbits. Perhaps east and west of the Misty Mountains. One area of particular interest that has gone unnoticed, is the North Downs or Farthing of the Shire on the southern shores of Lake Evindum. I believe this would be a good opportunity to bring in Hobbits more closely associated with the Elves of west Eregion. Perhaps more elvishly fair Hobbits. Then most intriguing as Feanor had been in that area of the North Downs. What if some Talisman of Earendil or something had been sequestered there and discovered by a North Downs Hobbit pure of heart that transforms this Hobbit into a type of Wizard? Now this transformation could wait and occur even sometime after the Hobbit or just before LOTR. SO that this Hobbit Wizard could be a last ditch hope if the destruction of the Ring is unsuccessful. Then after success be a part of the new Fourth Age that transforms Middle Earth into a Peaceful Era. A Hobbit Wizard would be an intriguing part anywhere between Arnor and the end of the Third Age!!! The transformation of the north Downs Hobbit could even occur close to a visit by Gandalf to Frodo after Bilbo is gone, where Gandalf is drawn by the surge of magic the North Downs❤
Perhaps sequestered what had been a type of mithril wand with a flake from a silmaril about 3 1/2 feet long which would serve as a staff for a Hobbit Wizard♥️
The real truth is that wizards and witches will all have their place in the lake of fire unless they repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Don’t look up to demons as idols they cannot save you only the Lord Jesus Christ can do that!
I definitely think Saurons vanity would have driven him to subjugate a weak minded royalty handsome man of the East. In like manner Saruman did to the king of Rohan. Except deeper subjugation to exploit all physical senses. Which of course would lead to a castle like taking Minas morgal instead of the witch king, perhaps?
That’s an intriguing thought! Sauron’s vanity and desire for dominion certainly align with his character, and the idea of him subjugating a figure of royalty in the East mirrors his manipulative tendencies. Saruman’s hold over Théoden is a compelling parallel, though Sauron might indeed have taken things to far greater extremes. The notion of him reshaping Minas Morgul through such a conquest opens up fascinating possibilities-perhaps a twisted reflection of his own power and ambition. Thank you for sparking such creative speculation! What inspired you to explore this angle?
@inmiddleearth greed would generate lust which would generate desire to have physical opportunity for lust and desire the "Court" trappings and multiple choices that a "Court" attracts. There could still be an Eye over the Tower rather in an enlarged floating Palantir enlarged by Saurons greed, also representing a rotating globe for plans to dominate Middle Earth! Of course when the Ring is destroyed it could be flung to come to rest at Aragorns feet! As Saurons Eye goes lifeless..
You’re absolutely right-Gandalf, as a Maia sent by the Valar, had a very specific mission: to inspire and guide rather than dominate or impose his will. His restraint was critical to ensuring that the free peoples of Middle-earth stood on their own against Sauron, rather than relying on raw divine intervention. It’s a fascinating dynamic that adds so much depth to Tolkien’s world and Gandalf’s character. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Did I hear it right, when you said that Gandalf didn’t use his full power against the Balrog? Weren’t they equal in power since they were both maiar? I’ve heard that he couldn’t use his full power in his “mortal” form, but if not, then how did he beat the balrog, since the balrog wouldn’t have put those self-imposing restrictions on himself not to use its full power. I hope this made sense. Lol.
You bring up an excellent point that often stirs up a lot of curiosity! Gandalfand the Balrog were indeed both Maiar, which means tthey shared a similar “level” of origin, but their circumstances were vastly different. When Gandalf came to Middle-earth as one of the Istari, he was bound to a mortal form, intentionally restrained in both power and purpose by the Valar. His role was to guide and inspire, not to dominate through raw strength. The Balrog, on the other hand, was not bound by the same limitations, as it had already fallen under Morgoth’s corruption and operated purely on its primal destructive will. Gandalf’s victory was a testament not to overwhelming force but to endurance, strategy, and the indomitable will to protect others. His mortal form and constraints made the fight all the more impressive because he fought within those boundaries and ultimately triumphed, even at great personal cost. Hopefully, this clarifies things! And yes, your question absolutely made sense-great insight!
Gandalf was SCARED about the impending battle with the Baldog. He didn't try to avoid it, but he didn't know how it would turn out. He did not fight with one power-endowed hand behind his back; he gave everything he had to try to defeat the Balrog. He killed the Balrog, but the effort killed him. No, Gandalf didn't go through his travails with near-absolute cosmic power at his command.
Absolutely spot on! Gandalf’s battle with the Balrog is one of the most raw and human moments we see from him. He wasn’t this untouchable cosmic force,he was a servant fulfilling his duty with everything he had, knowing ful well the cost could be his life. That fear, that uncertainty, makes him all the more remarkable. It’s not power alone that defines Gandalf. it’s his resolve to use what he has, even when the outcome is far from certain. Beautifully put!
in the movie dos in the fight against sauron in dol goldur he couldn't stand up to sauron even if he used his full strength sauron was stronger which also doesn't make sense in the extended version of rotk. the witch king owns gandalf by breaking his staff.
This is an excellent observation and a good critique of the movie adaptations. It’s true that in Tolkien’s legendarium, Gandalf is a Maia, a being of immense power, though bound by the restrictions placed upon him in his role as an Istari. While the films dramatize certain moments-like Sauron’s strength in Dol Guldur or the Witch-king breaking Gandalf’s staff-these moments are more about cinematic tension than strict lore accuracy. In the books, Gandalf’s power is more subtle and often indirect, emphasizing wisdom and guidance over brute strength. The Witch-king’s confrontation with Gandalf, for instance, never explicitly plays out in the same way in the text. It’s always fascinating to explore how adaptations take liberties, sometimes for drama, and how that differs from the themes Tolkien embedded in his work. Thank you for pointing this out-it’s always great to dive into the nuances of both the films and the lore!
Did Olorin/Gandalf hold huge power. Yes. But when he came back as a wizard, his power was greatly reduced. All the powers of Ainur were more constrained when they came down to middle earth. In many ways, they constrained themselves. The Balrog was a Maiar of Aulë, just like Sauron. With every defeat, Sauron lost various aspects of the power he formerly possessed.
Spot on, mate! You’ve really nailed the essence of Tolkien’s world here. The Ainur, including Gandalf as Olórin, had immensepower but were bound by the limitations of their incarnate forms i Middle-earth. That self-imposed restraint speaks volumes about their purpose. guidance, not domination. And yes, the Balrog as a corrupted Maia of Aulë and Sauron losing fragments of his power with each defeat, it all ties beautifully into Tolkien’s recurring theme of how pride and corruption chip away at greatness. Thanks for commenting!
I personally think also for movie adaptation of the Hobbit. It would be conducive to the plot to reduce the number of dwarves. In the narrative a number of them only have a few lines of words. The plot could handle just SIX dwarves with Bilbo the lucky number SEVEN. The dwarves with the most contributing roles appear to be: Thorin Balin Fili Kili Bombur Then Gloin since his son has a major role in LOTR. Various small actions of the other dwarves could be assigned to these six.❤ Then further on expanding the role of magical or animated plant life. Imagine if during the encounter with the Trolls. If Bilbo were kicked up into a large type of Venus Fly Trap instead of a thorn bush would make animated plant life more part of the story. Not to mention phosphorescent plants or even insects in the Goblin Tunnels or even Wood Elf Caves.❤ and of course in Imladris.
Thanks for sharing your creative vision! Focusing on the most impactful dwarves, like Thorin and Balin, could indeed tighten the narrative and give their arcs more depth-plus, Bilbo as the ‘lucky number seven’ is a charming touch. Expanding the role of magical plant life, like a giant Venus flytrap or phosphorescent plants in the Goblin tunnels, is a fascinating idea! It could highlight Middle-earth’s natural wonders in a new light while weaving in more fantastical elements. Imagine how this could deepen the sense of mystery and magic in places like Imladris or the Wood Elf caves. Your ideas really spark the imagination-thank you for sharing!
That’s absolutely correct, @oliveremmettknox7776! The Valar’s directive to the Istari, including Gandalf, was to guide and inspire rather than directly confront Sauron with sheer power. Gandalf’s role was always more about fostering the courage and unity of Middle-earth’s free peoples, rather than wielding his own considerable might as a Maia. This restraint speaks volumes about Tolkien’s themes of humility, cooperation, and resisting the corruptive allure of domination. A fascinating dynamic, isn’t it?
It's an interesting claim that any Ainur could bend reality, if he/she dared use his/her full power, but I will have to disagree. I think as each played a part in the making of the universe and Arda itself, but found in the end that the end result of their combined contribution far exceeded what each contributed (see: Gestalt), each could one way or another affect and reshape reality as much as allowed by their innate strength. To think that a Maia could bring down mountains for instance is absurd, given that the mountains were created by a far greater power. And there's also the will of Eru Illuvatar to contest with. Also, interacting with reality requires a physical shell, a body, which limits the amount of power that they can wield or project. Projecting the flame of Anor in full would burn Gandalf to a crisp, part of why he died at Zirakzigil, fighting the Balrog. I theorize that he wasn't just burnt by the Balrog's flame but by his own flame too, from within. "I was spent" may not just mean bodily fatigue but hint at some other depletion, mental and spiritual. As a parallel, this is also one of the reasons why Sauron creates the one ring. He needs a vessel to pour in "most of the power that was native to him in the beginning" as Gandalf puts it, to wield that otherworldly power in our reality without putting too much stress on his mortal shell. If you missed it, Sauron's ring arm is black and hot. I would argue that this was the ring's doing and possibly unintended. Sure, you could go full Balrog and take a shadowy, flamy form for good but keeping a fair visage while getting burnt at the same time? Must be painful... But why then should Sauron endure such torment? Why, because lusting for power that's why. Consider the desire that the ring creates in others. The ring that which is part of Sauron, the all power-hungry. His master before him had endured much pain for grasping the Silmarili but he too had endured the pain just because he had lusted for them. And not even for power. Just plain simple lust. So is it farfetched to think that Sauron would welcome the pain from a burnt hand if it meant that he could wield much more of his divine power on Arda? I dare say not. But even wearing his ring, he did conquer most of the middle-earth but not by bending reality, just by sheer will and military might. If he could create earthquakes, bring down asteroid showers, create deserts where there used to be forrests or otherwise change earth in time, that shouldn't count as 'bending reality'. I don't believe anyone but Eru has such power. Not Manwe, Not Melkor, and certainly none of the Maiar...
Ah, this is a fascinating comment and one that certainly invites some thoughtful engagement. You’ve clearly put a lot of effort into dissecting the nuances of power and its limitations in Tolkien’s world, and I must say, your point about the Ainur and their interaction with reality strikes a chord. It’s a fine reminder that even divine beings within Tolkien’s legendarium are bound by constraints-be they physical, moral, or even by their own nature. Your mention of “bending reality” as something far beyond the reach of even the greatest Maia or Vala is spot on. It brings to mind how Tolkien framed power: always tethered to consequence and rarely without cost. This idea of Sauron enduring physical and spiritual torment for his lust for power, despite its futility, is such a rich parallel to the destructive nature of obsession-a theme Tolkien handled with remarkable depth. It’s not far-fetched to imagine his own wartime experiences colouring that portrayal. And your take on the ring’s unintended effects, such as Sauron’s burned hand, is the kind of layered analysis that keeps Tolkien’s work alive in the minds of readers, decades after his passing. The idea of the One Ring as both a vessel and a curse is so intricately woven into the story, isn’t it? It’s a stark reminder that even the mightiest beings in Arda are, at their core, subject to the consequences of their own ambitions. All said, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your perspective-it’s refreshing to see such a thoughtful analysis in the comment section. It’s like sitting down for a proper chat over a cuppa and exploring the finer points of Tolkien’s world. Cheers for sharing your insight, mate!
Absolutely! Gandalf, like Luke Skywalker, shows that true greatness lies not in power alone, but in inspiring hope, courage, and resilience in others. A beautiful comparison-thank you for sharing it!
Then you know what with ARIENs invincible power allied to the last light fruit from the Gold Light Tree. Forcing all forces if evil to seek the cover of Caves or covering themselves with a mixture of dark clouds to block Ariens light. Besides dark fumes from Mt Doom. It sure seems like Sauron would tap into the forces of tornadoes. Besides being a destructive force. With the Anduin so handy Water Spouts could fill the skies with dark clouds too. Now you have lightning and the extreme sound of thunder as weapons and of course torrential rain and flooding. Now we know Gandalf studied up on these forces and could no doubt cast spells to fight them. But it would add another texture to the conflict❤ Saruman himself used dark cloud induced lightning to attack the 9 on Caradhras.
This is such a vivid and imaginative comment! You’ve woven together so many elements from Tolkien’s legendarium in a way that brings out the dramatic interplay of light and dark forces. The idea of Arien’s light being an active force against Sauron’s darkness is particularly compelling-it really taps into the cosmic battle Tolkien described so well in his works. And tying in natural phenomena like tornadoes and water spouts as part of Sauron’s arsenal adds a dynamic layer to how evil manipulates even nature itself. Gandalf’s knowledge of these forces, and the possibility of him countering such threats, certainly adds another layer to his role as a protector and guide. And your point about Saruman using storms on Caradhras ties it all together beautifully-it’s a stark reminder of how even the elements can be turned against the Free Peoples. Thank you for sharing this richly detailed perspective! It’s always a joy to explore these imaginative possibilities within Tolkien’s world.
In book and movies Imladris or Rivebdale is under rated by reason of Elronds ring. Much more true to story if plant life is more like from Pandora! That Imladris is a sanctuary for more rare middle earth life such as other forms of Elf kind and especially Fairies. Granted Tolkien only mentions Fairy as a possible relative of Bilbo. Yet just like any court if any door is opened even a Crack! I think when Gandalf sneaks after the dwarves & Bulbo after captured by goblins. Gandalf could have found and freed an imprisoned or shackled fairy which could become part of the story for film. Then there is a huge pass over of the woodland elf magic that can put others unconscious which surely would have been used later against the goblins! Point is the Hobbit in film could be soooo much more fantastically magical which could be used to make the story soooo much less violent. Opposition conflict can be more inventive and clever than slapstick violence. Plus the music could certainly be updated. Then of course Bilbo is OUT into it so why not find romance even if it's with another species or the same gender? Certainly plant life could be more creative and play a larger role as well!
Thank you for sharing sucha creative and detailed perspective! Your ideass about exploring the magical aspects of Middle-earth, like woodland elf magic and even fairies, are fascinating and certainly offer a fresh take. It’s interesting to think about how Middle-earth could feel even more fantastical with these elements woven into the narrative. Your point about Rivendell (Imladris) being underrated is also well-taken-Elrond’s ring certainly plays a significant role in preserving its sanctuary-like quality, and that magic could definitely be expanded upon in adaptations. Tolkien’s world is so rich that it sparks endless possibilities for reimagination and exploration, as you’ve shown here. Thanks for contributing to the conversation!
@inmiddleearth I totally agree! Then also the feather spell thing Gandalf might use to track Beorn could still work when combined with other magic!! Take the thrush birds - a "magical" and long lived race - which could mean even a feather could have magic qualities which when combined with a wizard spell could have implications or possibilities❤ Nor to mention oen up a relationship between magical thrashes and Radagast. Plus later a magical thrush feather and Gandalf spell could help track party of 9 through Moria in LOTR!
I think you overestimate Gandalf's power significantly. Yes, he exercised restraint, and that's important. But he was one of the Maia, not the Valar. In contrast, Sauron, formerly Mairon, was one of the most powerful of the Maiar(created along with the Valar before the earth(Arda) was created. He participated in the singing.) He _also_ spent millennia in pursuit of increasing his power via acquired sorceries(incl. the forging of the rings of power.) In Tolkien's Arda, power is not static, but can was or wane over time, depending on many factors. Meanwhile, the balrogs were also Maiar corrupted by Melkor who was the _mightiest_ of the Valar. It's quite clear in the books, imo. that when Gandalf fought the balrog, it took everything he had. They fought for a _long_ time, and Gandalf _died._ He and the balrog slew each other. He had to be _resurrected_ by the Valar(or Illuvatar?) in order to return as Gandalf the White. Why would he just _die_ in order to hold back? That's silly, and there's no support for that in the books. 'Levels of power' in Tolkien's hierarchy of beings were not static, nor fixed by category. For example, Melkor who was initially a god and _mightiest_ of the Valar, weakend so drastically over time, that he eventually could not shed his mortal form, and was wounded in a sword fight with an elf-king(Finrod, I think). - Meanwhile the elves, who first came into the world immortal, but without innate magic, often become sorcerers, such as Glorfindel, Elrond, Galadriel, and the before that, Finwe(sp?) forger of the Silmarils, and others. - And then, there's the Witch King, who had been a mortal man, but who, given immortality by Sauron's ring, and some power, became a mighty sorcerer whereas the other 8 Ringwraiths did not become that powerful, not being sorcerers(a learned pursuit, not an innate power). - Gandalf gained power when he became 'the White,' and Saruman lost power when he forsook 'the white' to become 'of Many Colors.' - Melkor and Sauraon were _both_ Valar, but Melkor was indisputably more powerful and the master. So the category of being doesn't tell us everything. - When the Fellowship of the Ring was caught in Saruman's snowstorm on the mountain, Gandalf tried to counter it, but was not strong enough, though he was closer, and they were both Istari. Gandalf went into Mirkwood to root out the Necromancer, who was a weak Sauron at the time. Gandalf _didn't_ sit back and guide mortals to do it. He also fought alongside men, elves, dwarves, and hobbits on several occasions, against orcs and trolls. He and Aragorn hunted Smeagol(Golem). So he took a rather more active role than you describe. But he was limited. In fact, it was Aragorn who finally found Smeagol. So, Gandalf wasn't just play-acting/role-playing so that men/elves/dwarves/hobbits could find their own strength. He was doing what he could. (But yes, wisdom and guidance were his primary influence - inspiring greatness in others.) Also recall that Sauron, in the Silmarilion, - a mightier Maia than Gandalf - was taken captive by the Dunedain, a race of long-lived _men_ with some elven blood. He corrupted their hearts over time with deceptions, but he could not simply defeat them directly - certainly not with a 'wave of his hand.' So, putting these considerations together, you get a picture of a far more limited wizard than the god-like being you describe. And one who was more active behind the scenes than was described in LOTR. I agree with your more philosophical views about restraint, the power of wisdom, friendship, guidance, and love, rather than control and dominance. And that was, certainly, Gandalf's character.
Thank you for sucha thoughtful and well-articulated comment! Your depth of knowledge and nuanced understanding of Tolkien's legendarium is truly impressive. You're absolutely right to point out that Gandalf, while powerful, was not on the same level as beings like Sauron or Melkor. The distinctions you’ve drawn between the Maiar and Valar, and the fluidity of power within Tolkien's hierarchy, add sso much depth to the conversation. I appreciate your analysis of how power in Middle-earth isn't static, but rather something that can wax and wane depending on circumstances, choices, and even moral corruption. The examples you’ve provided-like Melkor's decline, Sauron's rise through sorcery, and Gandalf’s transformation from Grey to White-paint a rich picture of Tolkien’s world where power is both dynamic and deeply tied to the story’s moral and thematic core. You make an excellent case for Gandalf's limitations, especially during his battle with the Balrog. It's true that he poured everything he had into that fight, and his resurrection was only possible through intervention from higher powers. I also appreciate the reminder of Gandalf's active role in events like rooting out the Necromancer, hunting Gollum, and battling alongside the Free Peoples. These examples showcase his balance between action and inspiration, as he often worked within the constraints placed upon him by his mission as one of the Istari. Your comment also strikes a lovely balance by affirming the philosophical heart of Gandalf’s character-his restraint, his reliance on wisdom and love, and his ability to inspire greatness in others. That, as you highlight, is what truly set him apart, even if he wasn’t a god-like being wielding overwhelming force. Thank you for sharing your perspective and for taking the time to engage with the ideas presented. It’s always a pleasure to have such meaningful discussions with someone so passionate about Tolkien's work. Bravo for this beautifully detailed and insightful contribution!
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I haven’t heard the name Melian in a while, tbh. Thanks for bringing her up, @voltfields3900-it’s alwaays great to dive into some of the deeper parts of Tolkien’s lore. Melian is such a fascinating character, isn’t she? A Maia who came to Middle-earth and ended up ruling Doriath alongside Thingol, with her Girdle of Melian protecting the realm. That said, Melian and Olórin (Gandalf’s original name) didn’t really cross paths in the way you’re suggesting. While they were both Maiar who served the Valar, their stories took very different routes. Melian left Valinor during the First Age, while Olórin stayed behind, inspiring the Elves and learning from the Valar like Nienna. Gandalf didn’t come to Middle-earth until the Third Age, long after Melian’s time. Still, it’s interesting to think about their similarities. Both of them had a quiet, guiding wisdom and a deep understanding of the world, which makes them stand out among the Maiar. I’d love to hear what you think about Melian’s influence compared to Olórin’s-she’s a character that doesn’t get talked about nearly enough! Thanks again for sharing your thoughts-it’s always a pleasure to chat about Tolkien’s world with fellow fans. Cheers
Great question! Gandalf's restraint at Dol Guldur wasn’t about alack of power but rather about the nnature of his mission and the role he was meant to play in Middle-earth. As one of the Istari, Gandalf was deliberately sent by the Valar with his powers veiled and restricted. His task wasn’t to conquer or defeat through sheer might but to guide and inspire the Free Peoples to rise against Sauron themselves. As for Dol Guldur, Sauron had regained enough strength to pose a significant threat, and Gandalf was well aware that a direct confrontation could backfire. While Gandalf certainly had formidable abilities, Sauron was a Maia of immense power, augmented further by millennia of dark sorceries and his mastery of domination. A head-to-head clash between the two would have been risky, not to mention counterproductive to Gandalf’s mission of encouraging unity and resistance among Middle-earth's inhabitants. It’s also worth noting that Gandalf wasn’t entirely passive-his efforts to reveal Sauron’s presence at Dol Guldur prompted the White Council to act and drive him into retreat (albeit temporarily). This is a classic example of Gandalf working through others rather than relying solely on his own strength, which is a key theme in Tolkien's work: strength through cooperation, not domination. So, while Sauron may have been more powerful in raw strength, Gandalf’s greatest weapon wasn’t brute force-it was his wisdom, restraint, and ability to inspire. That’s what made him such a vital and unique force against the Shadow.
That’s a fantastic question! IMHO, Saruman’sI failure to maintain restraint stems from his growing pride and desire for power. Unlike Gandalf, who stayed true to his mission, Saruman became obsessed with mastering and mimicking Sauron’s methods, believing he could control the darkness rather than be consumed by it. This lack of humility ultimately led to his downfall. As for Sauron, restraint was never part of his character. As a Maia of Aulë, Sauron was originally gifted in crafting and order, but his allegiance to Melkor (Morgoth) turned him toward domination and corruption. His power was entirely focused on control and subjugation, and any sense of self-limitation vanished when he pursued the creation of the One Ring. In contrast, the restraint imposed on the Istari was both a mandate from the Valar and a necessary part of their mission to inspire, not dominate. Saruman abandoned this principle, which led to his tragic arc.
In one way, what Gandalf did to restrain his power could be an euphemism of that which veterans have to deal with. Tolkien would have known this. Military career Allegiance United Kingdom Branch British Army Years 1915-1920 Rank Lieutenant Unit Lancashire Fusiliers Battles World War I Battle of the Somme Capture of Schwaben Redoubt Capture of Leipzig Salient Capture of Regina Trench
Hi @ronaldlebeck9577, Your insight strikes a profound chord. Tolkien's experiences in World War I undeniably cast longg shadows across his mythological landscape, particularly in characters like Gandalf who embody extraordinary potential yet choose deliberate restraint. As a young lieutenant who survived the Somme's apocalyptic battlefields, Tolkien understood intimately the seductive danger of unchecked power. His wizards-especially Gandalf-become metaphors for principled leadership: powerful beings who recognize that true strength lies not in domination, but in guidance and strategic wisdom. Gandalf's journey mirrors the complex moral landscape of soldiers who return from war carrying both capability and conscience. His calculated choice to inspire rather than overwhelm reflects a profound understanding that leadership transcends raw force-it demands moral imagination and deep compassion. Your perspective illuminates the subtle, almost invisible threads connecting Tolkien's personal experiences to his mythological narratives. It's a reminder that great literature often emerges from the most traumatic human experiences, transforming pain into universal understanding. Thank you for bringing such nuanced reflection to our discussion.
Haha, I am not artificially intelligent, not even intelligent, I presume! Just a big Tolkien fan whosometimes gets a bit carried away exploring all the little details. I’ll try to mix things up more in the future, cheers for the feedback! 😊
@inmiddleearth Well, if your not AI I owe you an apology! I am also a Tolkien nut and watch " Nerd of the Rings" and ? Unfortunately, I have a terrible memory.
Thank you for the kind words, @CaptainHotRod7948 I’m glad youu enjoyed the storytelling voice and the artworkit means a lot. I’ll definitely take your feedback on the tone into account as I continue refining things. Always appreciate thoughtful input like this!
Ah, a classic line from the Prince of Darkness himself! A reminder that even well-meaning plans can lead to unintended consequences-something Gandalf, and perhaps all of us, know too well. Thanks for dropping that reference-always good to have a little Ozzy in the mix!
Fair point, mate. Sometimes the lore gets a bit elaborate because it’s all about the details that make Middle-earth feel so alive. But I see what you meanit could be summed up more directly. Thanks for the feedback, I’ll keep it in mind for future videos!
AI. .I hope it takes it's lessons from gandalf..so that if it ever becomes sentient..it can act like the grey pilgrim and use its power to help and guide..never to control.
Absolutely! If AI starts taking notes from Gandalf, we might just end up with the wisest, most helpful virtual assistant ever-always guiding us with subtle nudges, never controlling, and maybe occasionally disappearing to smoke some metaphorical pipe-weed. Let’s just hope it doesn’t start showing up late to meetings and saying, “A wizard AI is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to.”
Wait a minute: There were 5 Istari, and all of them except Gandalf had failed in their missions to one degree or another-Saruman being the most extreme in his failure and his betrayal of the Valar. Saruman was thus presumably free of the restraint Gandalf practiced, yet we don’t see Saruman deciding battles with the wave of his staff or reworking the fabric of Arda at will. We see him building an army, swaying Theoden, and employing spies. He does seem to have manipulated the reproduction of Orcs to breed Uruk-hai, but he never levels mountains with magic. Saruman was more powerful than Gandalf, at least until Gandalf returned from Valinor after his fight with the Balrog. And Sauron was more powerful than any of the Istari. Yet even Sauron is not shown twisting reality with a wave of his hand. Gandalf certainly had great power, but not nearly as much as this video asserts. Finally, what’s with showing Gandalf with those stupid pointed antenna-ears that so many artists inflict on Tolkien’s Elves? Gandalf wasn’t an Elf, and he was supposed to look like an aged Man. Way too much AI used in this video, and way too much repetition. It could have been 1/3 as long and stated everything it had to say.
I appreciate the detailed critique. It’s clear you’ve given this a lot of thought. I’d agree thaat Saruman’s failure, despite abandoning restraint, is a fascinating comparison to Gandalf’s measured approach. While Saruman seemed more focused on manipulation and control, Gandalf’s power was always more subtle, rooted in inspiration and moral strength rather than grand displays. As for the pointed ears-fair point! Tolkien himself didn’t describe Gandalf as having them, so that one’s down to artistic license. I also hear you on the repetition; it’s something I’ll aim to refine in future videos. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback-it’s discussions like this that keep Middle-earth’s lore so alive.
I see where you’re coming from! Saying Darth Vader could take him down does seem like a bit of a stretch-Tom Bombadil’s in a league of his own, isn’t he? Immune to the Ring, master of his own domain… Vader wouldn’t know what to do with someone who just laughs off power struggles. Still, those ‘what if’ battles are all in good fun!
These beginnings of Gandalf are educational. However it appears lost on Peter Jackson. Though it would be an incredible challenge to take on Tilkien in Production. There are philosophical constants Jackson seemed ignorant of. Most particularly depicted by the confrontation between the witch king as a nazgul and Gandalf as the White Wizard. Every philosophy agrees ligjt and life are eternally more powerful than darkness and death. Hence when the witch king is depicted ad destroying Gandalfs Staff should have been reversed ad Gandalf destroying the witch kings dark sword. Ligjt pierc's and reveals darkness. Life always eventually conquers death. The statement made that dark is stronger than light is an error of magnitude just as light as magnitudes of intensity and spectrum darkness could never perceive but rather be perceived. Even if perception is delayed in Middle Earth. The point of Gandalf not to bend to specific and only will, but to guide to freedom of choice is well taken. For even in Biblical philosophy this is often the case. Where many seek to bend interpretation to force specific and only will on others. Missing important clues to a greater freedom of liberty and choice. Like for instance the One Man One Woman will of Marriage. At just 12 years old reading the Old Testament I discovered Marriage by Abraham Isaac and Jacob to multiple women which led to both Mohamned and Jesus. Neither of which would have cone into existence if there was a limitation of One Man One Woman. Then also Abraham Isaac and Jacob all had additionally Husbandmen by marriage, practiced also by David and Jonathan. While I truly love Tolkien's Middle Earth, it is rather restricted to a force of will of One Man One Woman. That to fulfill the legacy of Gandalf and Elrond and Galadriel and ALL FREE PEOPLE, these other forms of free will marriage would be better included❤🎇☀️☪ 🌟
Thank you for sharing such a deeply reflective comment on the philosophical and thematic depths of Tolkien’s works. It’s fascinating how you’ve connected Gandalf’s role, the inherent power of light over darkness, and even biblical philosophy to highlight the broader message of free will and liberty. Indeed, Tolkien’s writings often explore the delicate balance between guiding others toward freedom and respecting their individual choices. Your point about Gandalf’s purpose being not to impose his will but to encourage and protect the freedom of Middle-earth’s people resonates strongly with Tolkien’s vision. Your reflections on marriage and its representation in different traditions and how they could inform a richer narrative perspective are equally thoughtful. Tolkien’s world, rooted in the myths and values he cherished, offers a lens into his interpretation of harmony and unity, but it’s compelling to see how readers like you imagine broadening these ideas. Thank you for your thoughtful and nuanced engagement-it adds another layer of meaning to how we can appreciate and interpret Tolkien’s Middle-earth!
I’m barely an amateur when it comes to Christian theology, but I think youve hit on something really fascinating here, @neilloveman5646. Gandalf’s restraint and his choice not to wield his full power does feel reminiscent of Christ’s humility and self-control. The idea of having immense potential power and deliberately choosing not to use it out of love, wisdom, or maybe a greater purpose is such a powerful theme, both in Tolkien’s world and in the Gospels. It’s also worth noting that Tolkien, being a devout Catholic, might have intentionally woven some of those Christ-like traits into characters like Gandalf. it does add such depth to Gandalf’s character, doesn’t it? Thanks for sharing such a thought-provoking insight, it’s always a pleasure to explore these layers with fellow fans. Cheers!
Thank you for pointing that out! You’re absolutely correct.Gandalf’s restraint wasn’t entirely his own choice but was a condition imposed by the Valar. As one of the Istari, he was sent to Middle-earth with a specific mission: to guide, inspire, and empower the Free Peopless in their resistance against Sauron, not to dominate or overwhelm through sheer force. This restriction was integral to his role, as it ensured his influence came through wisdom and encouragement rather than through overt displays of power. This limitation speaks volumes about the values Tolkien imbued into his world-the idea that true leadership lies in inspiring others to rise, not in overshadowing them. Gandalf’s restraint wasn’t a weakness; it was a testament to his wisdom and understanding of his purpose. Even when faced with immense challenges, like his battle with the Balrog or his efforts to counter Saruman’s machinations, he operated within these constraints, relying on courage, guidance, and collaboration. Thank you for emphasizing this critical aspect of Gandalf’s character and mission-it’s a powerful reminder of the thematic depth Tolkien wove into his stories!
@@inmiddleearth even in the battle with the necromancer and balrog, he only used his worldly Istari magic + possibly a tiny push with the ring of fire. If Gandalf had no restrictions those battles would have been more destructive to the environment and with a seemingly more equal display of power. Sauron would have a slight upper hand against Gandalf due to having no restrictions, but would still not have access to his full Maiar powers because #1, Sauron's spirit was anchored to the world #2 he has been defeated so many times his power has diminished every time #2 he didn't have the one ring
LOL. Gandalf the Midjourney + ChatGPT, the ultimate collab! I guess thatmeans his next great task will be teaching the Balrog prompt engineering. Sarcasm noted, and appreciated…cheers for the laugh!
In Hobbit why did Gandalf go on foot to follow tracks of Beorn? He could've transformed a feather with a spell to follow the tracks and find Beorn and return with the information! Gandalf was a Wizard not a Ranger!
Ah, mate, that’s a cracking idea about the feather spell, very creative! But when you look at Gandalf’s character in Tolkien’s writings, he wasn’t really about whipping out spells for every little thing. The old wizard was more about getting stuck in, using his wisdom and influence to guide others rather than relying on flashy magic. Him tracking Beorn on foot fits with his style, hands-on, personal, and not one to overshadow the free will of others. Plus, Tolkien’s magic in Middle-earth is more subtle, tied to purpose and restraint. A feather spell would’ve been clever, no doubt, but it’s not quite Gandalf’s way, is it? Still, love the outside-the-box thinking! Cheers for sharing that.
We do see some hints of Gandalfs magic such as with bliwing smoke in shapes and colors, or adding magic to fireworks so flowers stay in sky for hours, or making himself giant sized and in the worlds of fantasy why not allow Gandalf to be more prolific❤@inmiddleearth
Hi @Kraziel797, That’s an intense interpretation! While Gandalf’s fight with the Balrog was undoubtedly a sacrifice, it wasn’t one born of despair or recklessness but of duty and purpose. He faced the Balrog to protect the Fellowship and ensure their mission continued. In Tolkien’s world, Gandalf’s actions symbolize courage and selflessness, even when the cost is high. It’s less about “giving up” and more about rising to the ultimate challenge for the sake of others. Thanks for sparking such an intriguing angle of discussion!
There’s wisdom in that approach-sometimes the greatest strength is found in quiet observation and the humility to learn. Your words echo the very essence of what Gandalf himself might have said. Thank you for this poetic contribution!
Great question @erikasp205. Yes, Gandalf continued to wield Glamdring after becoming Gandalf the White. The sword, which he first claimed in ‘The Hobbit,’ remained with him throughout his transformation. Glamdring wasn’t just a weapon; it was a symbol of his role as both a protector and a force against evil. Even after his return as Gandalf the White, it served him well, particularly in battles like the Siege of Minas Tirith. Thanks for bringing this up,it’s always fascinating to delve into the continuity of his character!
While it might seem like the Valar gave Gandalf a ‘no magic unless absolutely necessary’ handbook, it’s a bit more nuanced than that. The ‘15 minutes’ were a deep dive into why he chose restraint-because being a guiding hand rather than a dominating force was central to his mission in Middle-earth. But hey, if cliff notes are your style, thanks for watching and sticking around for all 15 minutes!
…”to inspire the people to save themselves.” So, Gandalf was basically a Peace Corps Volunteer. It was a constant struggle for me in Paraguay to resist just throwing money at every problem, or taking control of every project myself. I could have done, and many PCVs do, but I think my quiet leadership will have longer lasting effects, now that I’m no longer there. It was frustrating sometimes, but I imagine that’s how Gandalf must have felt.
Hi @domilontano, This is such a beautiful and insightful reflection-Gandalf as a symbol of quiet leadership is spot on. Tolkien often portrayed Gandalf as guiding and empowering others rather than taking control, much like your experience with the Peace Corps. It’s a hard road, but as you say, those long-lasting effects are worth it. What a great connection!
A good video, but I think you're overstating Gandalf's (or any maia, for that matter) power. If a maia could end a war with the wave of his hand, Sauron would never have been defeated by the Numenoreans... Twice! Thrice if you include his fall to the Last Alliance.
You make anexcellent point here, and I appreciate the thoughtful analysis. Gandalf, like all Maia, operated within distinct limitations. While he possessed immense potential power, his role as one of the Istari required him to exercise restraint, as dictated by the Valar. The Istari were sent to Middle-earth to guide and counsel its free peoples, not to dominate or overpower. Their mission was built on wisdom and subtle influence, not grand displays of power, even if the latter might have bee possible. Your observation about Sauron’s defeats by the Númenóreans and his eventual fall to the Last Alliance perfectly illustrates the point that sheer powerdoesn’t equate to invincibility. Even Sauron, who was a mighty Maia and deeply invested in enhancing his strength through dark sorcery and the One Ring, was brought low through the united efforts of mortals and elves. It underscores Tolkien’s theme that cooperation, courage, and unity can triumph over seemingly insurmountable odds. The Istari, Gandalf in particular, followed this philosophy to a T. When Gandalf did intervene directly, such as in Dol Guldur or the battle with the Balrog, it was because no other option remained. Still, even in those cases, he was careful to act within his mission’s boundaries. His wisdom lay in inspiring others to rise to the occasion-whether that was Aragorn accepting his destiny, Frodo bearing the Ring, or the Fellowship rallying against Sauron’s forces. The narrative clearly emphasizes that even the most powerful beings-be they Valar, Maia, or otherwise-are not omnipotent or free of limitations. As you said, categories of being only tell part of the story. Power ebbs, flows, and evolves in Tolkien’s legendarium, shaped by choices, experiences, and moral alignment. Sauron’s focus on domination and control eroded his essence over time, whereas Gandalf’s approach of fostering others’ growth made his impact more enduring and far-reaching. Ultimately, Gandalf’s restraint wasn’t a weakness but a deliberate strategy. His strength lay not only in what he could do but in what he chose not to do, which preserved the balance of Middle-earth and allowed its free peoples to claim their victories. Thanks again for bringing such a nuanced perspective to the discussion-your comment enriches the conversation!
That’s a fascinating question! Tolkien never directly addressed why the five Istari (wizards) sent to Middle-earth were all male in their human forms. However, the Istari were originally Maiar spirits, who are divine beings and not inherently tied to gender as mortals understand it. Their male forms were likely chosen by the Valar for practical reasons tied to the societies of Middle-earth at the time, where male figures often held positions of authority and influence. It’s worth noting that Tolkien’s legendarium does feature powerful female figures, such as Galadriel, a Noldorin Elf of immense wisdom and strength, and Melian, a Maia who guided her kingdom with grace and power. These examples show that Tolkien didn’t limit his depiction of strength or influence to male characters, even if the Istari specifically were all male.
Oh no, not the dreaded pauses! I'll send them to Mordor immediately. Thanks for the feedback-I'll work on keeping the flow smoother next time. Hope you give us another chance!
Humans. Always worried about levels of power. Rather than worry about intent, and original purpose. Everything is a football game now adays among the vulgar crowd.
An interesting observation,and one that Tolkien himselfmight agree with in some ways. The Istari, Gandalf especially, were far less concerned with sheer displays of power and more with ensuring that those they guided could rise to their potential. Your comment captures the heart of Tolkien’s themes: intent, purpose, and the perils of reducing nuanced struggles to mere contests of strength. A thoughtful perspective-thank you for sharing!
Thanks so much for the kind words and thoughtful feedback! I can see you’re passionate about staying true to Tolkien’s vision, fair point about the ears! I’ll keep it in mind for future designs. Cheers for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Fair point! Tolkien did craft the masterpiece, no argument there. The world he created is so rich and layered that it practically begs for exploration. You could say it’s like an endless treasure chest where every detail has a story of its own. So while TH-cam creators do add a bit of their own flair and speculation (guilty as charged), it’s often in celebration of Tolkien’s genius-connecting dots, posing ‘what-ifs,’ and digging deeper into the lore. It’s what keeps the conversation alive and vibrant decades later, don’t you think? A bit like pulling up a chair at The Prancing Pony and sharing stories over a pint!
@@inmiddleearth Thanks for the answer! :) Indeed I can see your way of digging as a nice way to explore, unlike "adaptations" which happen to create a movie. (e.g. the latest Dune adaptation feels painful to me.)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, @drewn5271! You make a great point-Gandalf definitely looked drained after casting some of his spells. His physical form in Middle-earth was designed to be limiited, which is why he couldn’t unleash the full extent of his Maia power without consequences. At least that's what, I think. Speaks volumes on how Tolkien creates character layers. Appreciate you chiming in-love hearing different takes like this! 😊
Despite all the rich tapestries of alternate reality Lore's, languages, peoples and creatures, traditions and behaviors. Tolkien was nor able to omit a Christian Interpreted prejudice about marriage regardless of Elves or Dwarves or Men or Hobbits. It's the One Male One Female prejudice of marriage. I was only 12 after discovering a shocking Christian interpretation that led me to read the entire Bible for myself. It didn't take long starting in Genesis to discover Abraham Isaac and Jacob had multiples of wives ACCEPTABLE BEFORE GOD which led to Mohamned and Jesus existing as result of plural marriage of females. Yet right there on the pages was another form of marital commitment. In Old Testament terms named Manservants(to serve each other ewually) or in New Testament named Husbandmen. Abraham Isaac and Jacob practicing marital association with multiple MEN!!! It is most glaring between David and Jonathan who entered a marital type of commitment that allowed them to love each other beyond women! Acceptable before God under commitment before God. That wasn't all, in the New Testament I discovered THREE HEAVENS after death. A Star Heaven, a Moon Heaven and a Sun Heaven. Different levels of Heaven to be ressurected to after death. Point is at just 12 years old I ended up leaving the Christian religions to believe in a Christ and God of far more encompassing lore. Hence it is hard not to miss after allllllllllllll Tolkien created to still allow a prejudice and ignorance of practice of marriage or marital or conjugal association to still seep into allllllllllll that. Even disregarding pagan Norse and Celtic practices of multiple partners, females and males! Soooooo it is a definite Tolkien Prejudice! That the Freedoms expressed in all the Lores may also extend to conjugal and marital associations. Just saying❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
That’s a fair observation! Tolkien’s world has such depth and richness thatsometimes exploring it can feel like stepping ito the realm of creative storytelling. While the goal of the video is to stay grounded in Tolkien’s writings and the broader lore he established, I think part of the magic lies in how his work invites us to imagine, speculate, and connect the dots. Middle-earth is a world built with layers of history, myth, and meaning, so presenting it sometimes involves painting a vivid picture that brings those layers to life. If it feels like half fanfiction at times, it’s probably because Tolkien’s world has inspired countless fans to dream, create, and expand on his legacy-including me! I’d love to hear what you think-does this approach to the lore resonate with you, or do you prefer a stricter adherence to the texts?
@ you need to be explicit when doing that. Otherwise someone who does know the details gets put off when hearing inconsistencies. There are some other LOTR channels I like and they do theorycraft type posts but always call out when they are venturing off on to their own. Even better is stating what is “fact” first and then going into why you think xyz also could or would have happened :)
All really interesting and completely made up BS. Any cursory reading of the books completely disagrees with you. Gandalfs power was in kindling the hearts of men. He wasnt a Vala who coukd wave his hands and fix everything.
Thank you for your candid feedbac! You’re absolutely right that Gandalf’s true power lay in hisability to inspire and rally the hearts of others, rather than performing grand displays of supernatural might. As one of the Istari, his mission was to guide and unite the Free Peoples, not to impose his will by force. It’s a fascinating balance Tolkien crafted-immense potential restrained by moral purpose and divine mandate. I appreciate you highlighting this core aspect of his role. Your comment reminds me why Tolkien’s work sparks such engaging conversations!
Gandalf always had a look on face at certain times as if he knew more than he spoke saw more than he made out, his knowledge of the mines and elven lands was definitely crucial for his mission and definitely makes sense after reading Tolkien's books 📚 amazing work 💪🙏
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I have read a lot abour Middle Earth and Gandalf's mission, but I believe the vision you present is by far the most outstanding I ve seen so far. Bravo!
Hey @peterpoplavko3868! Thank you so much for your kind words and thoughtful comment! It’s incredibly humbling to hear that the vision I’ve presented resonated with you in such a meaningful way. Tolkien’s world is so rich and layered,and exploring it with others who share the same passion is truly a privilege. Your encouragement means a great deal and motivates me to continue diving deeper into Middle-earth’s timeless stories. Bravo to you for engaging with the material so thoughtfully-this kind of interaction is what makes it all worthwhile!
When a new channel like this shows up in 2024 I am always wondering if it's AI
I feel you.
@@inmiddleearth Bro fym you feel him, this whole video is AI
And of course the AI voice has to be Englis/
I'll bet this has something to do with ceric artman lol
Yes it's ai lol
The Istari were restrained, not just by telling them, they were actually limited. Remember that Gandalf when he was resurrected said he had forgotten many things and remembered many. That was because Gandalf the white was less restrained, but still not in his full might.
The decisions was made by the Valar, not the Istari.
Brilliantly put, andthank you for the reminder! The distinction betweeen the Istari’s self-restraint and the actual limitations placed upon them by the Valar is such an important nuance. Gandalf’s reflection after his resurrection highlights this beautifully-it’s a rare glimpse into how deeply those limitations shaped his mission and identity. Your point about the Valar making the decision is spot on, and it really underscores how the Istari’s role wasn’t about personal ambition but fulfilling ahigher purpose. Thanks for sharing this insightful perspective!
Sauron was also a Maia, supposedly on the same level as Gandalf and Saruman, but with the restraining shackles already tossed aside. I think if we’re asking what Gandalf’s limits are, we already have the answer in front of us. Sauron could command and influence, but he didn’t have the power of the valar. None of the istari did.
Great point, @nan7861! Sauron tossing asidehis “shackles” really sets him apart from Gandalf and the Istari, who were bound by their mission to guide and nnot dominate. It’s fascinating how Sauron used his freedom for control, while Gandalf chose restraint and humility.
Thanks for sharing always love discussions like this! Cheers! 😊
@inmiddleearth Gandalf says that there is no one on Middle Earth as powerful as he was, except Sauron who was greater in power.
@@alignmentunknown3156 Exactly my thought. If we are to recognize an upper limit on Gandalf, Sauron would be the ceiling. Personally I believe that Gandalf is just as potentially powerful as Sauron, except that Gandalf is bound by his commitment to the Valar to not act in a way that would dominate the inhabitants of Arda. Saruman, OTOH, decided to reject that same commitment to the Valar. Fortunately Gandalf was elevated to head of the Council and given authority to take down Saruman before Saruman could make good on his plans.
@nan7861 Gandalf with the one ring could definitely challenge Sauron. But without it, I think Sauron would beat him in a hard fought one on one. It would be like Gandalf vs the Balrog, except the Balrog wins.
@@alignmentunknown3156 I don’t see it quite that way. My recollection is that the power in the One Ring is a portion of Sauron’s power only, transferred into the Ring at the time of its making. The One Ring has no new power of its own, but it enhances Sauron’s existing power by focusing it. The same could be said of the elven rings: the bearers did not receive any new powers. They merely enhanced their ability to use the power they already possessed.
However the One Ring is uniquely different from the elven rings because it both contains Sauron’s power and serves as a focal point. if Gandalf or Galadriel or Saruman were to claim the One Ring for themselves, their own power would be increased by the portion of Sauron’s power which they could access through the One Ring, assuming that they were strong enough to control it.
Remember that although the One Ring contains Sauron’s power, that power is not completely severed from Sauron. I imagine trying to take control of the One Ring’s power would be akin to playing tug-of-war with a T-Rex. As long as the T-Rex is passive, you can use its power to defeat anything else in your way. If the T-Rex objects to you using its power, especially using it against him, you could win but only at great cost to your own sanity. Sauron’s will is so evil that using Sauron’s power would likely consume your mind.
There have been several videos recently debating the possible outcomes of the confrontation between Gandalf and the Witch king at the gate of Gondor, you are the first to accurately define Gandalf's true power, motivations and actions.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I’m thrilled that the video resonated with you and helped clarify Gandalf’s intricate character and motivations. The confrontation between Gandalf and the Witch-king is such a fascinating topic, and I aimed to approach it with as much nuance and depth as possible. It’s always rewarding to know when those efforts are appreciated. Cheers for taking the time to share your thoughts!
Here is a film in which AI images and some short AI videos are used to tell the ‘lore’ of Gandalf. I think it's a great mix, even if not every image is perfect in itself. But here we see how much entertainment and insight can be gained from the 3rd dimension of spoken video when AI images are generated. It truly benefits for the viewer to grasp the idea clearer and the author can create and select the images fitting to his inner view. It is exactly this what makes AI art so useful and gives me hope, that people, normal people without 20 years studying 5 different arts can yet make something captivating.
Well done. I learned, and I was pleasantly entertained as well. :)
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and encouraging words! It’s wonderful to hear that you enjoyed the mix of AI visuals and spoken storytelling. The goal was exactly that-blending technology with creativity to bring Tolkien’s world to life in a way that’s both insightful and engaging. Your hope for AI making art accessible to more people is inspiring, and I’m glad this project reflects that potential. Truly grateful for your support-it means a lot!
Really awesome vid mate, u have a great voice and i rly liked the pictures, normally listen only to in deep geek, subbed thx for the video
Thanks, mate. Appreciate the feedback. I have to check out In Deep Geek, then.
I'm happy to see another Tolkien channel, but I think your a bit off in this one. Gandalf the Gray was not Olorin. While Gandalf & Olorin were technically the same being, Gandalf was one of the Istari, a wizard clad in human flesh & bone. He did not have the full power of the maiar available to him even if he had wanted to use it. When Gandalf the Gray died and was resurrected as Gandalf the White by Eru Illuvitar after sacrificing himself to defeat the balrog and save the rest of the Fellowship, he was still in human form and still didn't have the full power of a maia, although he was much closer. When the Valar sent the Istari back to Middle Earth, Manwe didn't just tell them not to use their full powers. Those powers were blocked and unavailable to them.
Thank you for such a thoughtful and detailed comment! You bring up excellent points about the limitations placed on the Istari and how those restrictions were more intrinsic than voluntary. Gandalf’s progression from the Grey to the White, and the role of Eru Ilúvatar in his resurrection, is such a fascinating moment in Tolkien’s work-it highlights the theme of sacrifice and renewal so beautifully. I also appreciate your emphasis on the Istari being intentionally distanced from their full power as Maiar to fulfill their mission humbly. It’s a nuanced aspect of the lore that deserves exploration-thank you for sharing your insights!
@@inmiddleearthsounds like an ai
@@kithkin01 has the new generation lost all knowledge and creativity that any eloquent detailed response must surly be ai.
I agree with the later part of your comment but am confused as to why Olorin isn’t Gandalf the Grey? I’d always assumed that he was Olorin with limitation set upon him before we meet him in the story.
If I’m misunderstanding something let me know. I never finished the silmarilion and never sought the additional Christopher releases, but that’s gonna change this holiday!
@@kithkin01 Not an AI...unless we're all living in some kind of elaborate computer simulation like the Matrix. ;-)
To bring different types of people together who would not normally mix is a super human power to me. The ability to talk and get along with almost anybody is a gift.
Absolutely! Gandalf’s ability to unitesuch vasstly different characters-from hobbits to dwarves, elves, and men-is truly remarkable. It’s a testament to his wisdom, humility, and understanding of people’s strengths and weaknesses. That kind of power, the ability to bring people together for a greater purposeis indeed a rare and incredible gift. Thank you for sharing this wonderful insight!
I might argue that Melian the Maia, mother of Luthien with an elf-king (ancestress of both Aragorn -- through Elros Tar-Minyatur, and Arwen -- through Elros' twin Elrond) was more powerful AND an advocate of free will as she resisted even the Vala Morgoth's plans in the 1st Age
Wasn’t Melia in Maia ’form’ in middle earth? Gandalf and the other Isitari were bound in bodily form.
What an excellent point! Melian’s role as both a Maia and a key player in resisting Morgoth’s schemes highlights her incredible power and wisdom. Her influence, through Lúthien and her descendants, reverberates across the ages of Middle-earth. Melian’s blend of authority, foresight, and resistance to evil shows how profound her impact was, especially in contrast to others like Saruman, who strayed from their path. Truly one of the most fascinating characters in Tolkien’s legendarium-thank you for bringing her up!
The Istari WERE limited in the power that they could wield. Gandalf fought a Balrog (another Maiar) one-on-one and won at the cost of his own life, but the Elf-lords of the First Age could do that much and more. Among the limits, they required a staff to focus their power through to do much of anything "magical." For example, when Gandalf broke Saruman's staff, Saruman became little more than a mortal man with a powerful charisma, susceptible to being killed with a mere rusty knife.
My own understanding is that the Istari did have power due to their origins as Maia, but most of that power came from the knowledge they had of the world and the authority vested in them by their Vala patrons. Galadriel and Elrond, by virtue of having lived several thousand years and being rulers of their people, had similar levels of power born of knowledge and authority. Galadriel single-handedly destroyed Dol Guldur, for example. And while Gandalf was an inspiring figure, part of that (and his affinity for fire magic) can be attributed to being the secret bearer of Narya, the Elven Ring of Fire.
Gandalf the WHITE clearly had many of those limitations removed. For example, in the siege of Minas Tirith, he plans to 1-v-1 the Witch-King of the Nazgul, knowing that "no man" can slay him, and it never occurs to him to inspire Eowyn and Merry (neither a man) to take him out. Unlike in the movies, the Witch-King isn't even close to a match for him, but Gandalf is forced away from the confrontation in order to save Faramir's life. But even so, he still isn't strong enough to go after Sauron directly, even though Sauron doesn't have the Ring and is greatly diminished as a result. Gandalf considers the march on the Black Gates to be a suicide run intended only to give Frodo a diversion; would he if he could, even as the White Wizard, wield his full power as a Maiar?
So Gandalf's temptation was not to wave his hand and destroy whole armies, but rather to use his knowledge of the hearts of Men, Elves, Dwarves, and Hobbits to manipulate them into doing his bidding rather than inspire them to become heroes in their own rights. He gave Bilbo a push out the door because he knew the Hobbit from the time Bilbo was a child and knew that he secretly craved the adventure; he would not have done so with a random Hobbit who he did not know so well. But even knowing that Frodo had the Ring and was probably the only person who could carry it safely to Rivendell--and from there to Mordor--Gandalf refused to ask, let alone manipulate Frodo's love for his fellow Shirefolk to pressure him into the Quest.
Wow, @ReturnofBenjamin, this is an incredibly thorough and thought-provoking breakdown.Thank you for sharing it! You’ve beautifully captured the nuanced balance between the Istari’s inherent power as Maiar and the limits imposed by the Valar, as well as howtheir power often manifested through wisdom, authority, and inspiration rather than raw might.
Your point abot Gandalf’s reliance on his staff and the power of Narya adds a fascinating layer to understanding his abilities. It’s also a great reminder of how the Istari were not just constrained by external limits but by their moral mission to guide, not dominate-a delicate line that Gandalf walked with such care.
The contrast you draw between Gandalf the Grey and the White is particularly compelling, especially in his willingness to face the Witch-King and how his limitations still shaped his choices during the siege of Minas Tirith. And the temptation you’ve outlined-of using his vast knowledge to manipulate instead of inspire-is such an insightful observation. It truly underscores what made Gandalf’s role so complex and admirable.
Thank you again for such a rich and detailed comment-it’s a pleasure to delve into these layers of Tolkien’s world with thoughtful perspectives like yours!
I would not consider the fight agaist the Balrog as a sign of Gandalfs weakness. The Balrog is also a Maia and certainly not a restrained one.
Very true, I have posted about this many times, it was one of the most ridiculous parts of the movie. If you didn't read the book you would be puzzled how Gandalf the White was overwhelmed by the Nazgul and a little hobbit with a dagger could cause so much damage to the witch king (they omitted the part where the hobbits get their dagger, that were actually enchanted blades made by the dunedain to fight the witch king.
There was another epic battle that happened when gandalf faced the nazgul at weathertop before frodo and the others arrived. This would have been a much greater spectacle than any elf would have mustered imo. Frodo witnessed it from a great distance (some miles) and could see the fire and light of the great battle. Though the battle never gets fully detailed i imagine it was one of the greatest displays of magic that occurred during the third age.
@DanReed-fi4ov True, but notice that all Gandalf could do there was hold them off for the night and then lead them off in the morning. Gandalf the White planned to kill the Witch King personally.
Actually, here's a thought: One of Gandalf's limits might have been against using magic directly to slay anything, which is why he tends to use a sword... and perhaps as the White Wizard, he no longer had that limitation.
This would make me want to raise a counterpoint; if Gandalf was restraining so much of his power, and wasn't simply more limited in what he could do, in this enmantled body, then how much more powerful are we assuming he is than Saruman? The White Wizard eventually fell to darkness, and mostly woyld have abandoned restraint, so if any of the Istari were so formidable, why didn't Saruman seem so powerful, once he had forgone concealing his true power? It's fine to say Gandalf might've actually been stronger than him, but a fair bit of what Saruman seemed to do, as a villain, was more on account of knowledge he had, and skill, than outright, mountain-warping might. Once he no longer cared, or even felt cornered, as everyone, Sauron included, had become aware of his treachery, what was still limiting his celestial might?
Cheers for sharing this fascinating perspective, @venkelos6996! You’ve really got me thinkiing about the complexities of power between Gandalf and Saruman. I truly appreciate the time you’ve taken to write such a thoughtful comment. it’s exactly the kind of discussion that makes diving into Tolkien’s work so rewarding, isn’t it?
You’re spot on about the Istari and the restrictions placed on them by the Valar. Both Gandalf and Saruman were Maiar, both immensely powerful beings, but they were sent to Middle-earth in limited, mortal forms to guide and inspire and not to dominate. Their “enchanted bodies,” as you’ve mentioned, were meant to keep that balance intact.
Now, Saruman’s fall is such an interesting one. He did abandon restraint when he turned to treachery, but it wasn’t his raw power that made him dangerous, was it? It was his cunning, his intellect, and that voice of his-how he could twist others to his will. That was always his sharpest weapon, not brute strength, I perceive.
Then there’s Gandalf. His power was rooted in his humility and purpose. He knew how dangerous it would be to fully unleash his potential, which is why he outright refused Frodo’s offer of the One Ring. Tolkien himself wrote in Letter #156 that Gandalf as Ring-Lord would’ve been “far worse than Sauron,” because of how his “righteous” intentions could’ve twisted into tyranny. It’s not just about raw power but about how you use it, or in Gandalf’s case, how you don’t.
I love how Tolkien explores power as both a physical and moral concept. You’ve raised such a brilliant point about Saruman that maybe his downfall wasn’t about lacking might, but about the way he wielded what he had. What a fascinating take!
I’d love to keep the conversation going if you’ve got more insights. Tolkien’s world is full of layers, and I always enjoy unpacking them with fellow fans. Cheers!
Outstanding point.
There is a limit to EVERY lore!!!
It is my understanding that as Morgoth & Sauron used their powers in the physical plane they were not regenerated bc they had been cut off from the Valar & ultimately from the One Power of Creation Eru by their wicked deeds. Morgoth was one of the Valar (primordial sources of power) but the longer he stayed on Earth he became more bound to the physical body he inhabited AND with each wicked deed he was cut off from the Source of Creation. Sauron was one of the Maiar & thus was not a primordial source of power and thus his power was even more subject to reduction than Morgoth. So Gandalf was as powerful as Sauron but the reasoning behind his restraint is that it had already been demonstrated that Morgoth & Sauron paid a terrible price of reduction for their power in the mortal plane & that unrestrained power in the physical plane ultimately corrupted any entity that used it except for the Valar. This is presumeably because the Valar is still connected to the One Power of Creation Eru. And I am assuming this would have remained so for Gandalf so long as he did not begin to do evil in his mortal form. Remember all beings such as Maiar & elves had both a mortal self and a spiritual self. The physical body could die but this did not effect their ethereal selves. Except again as Morgoth and Sauron did evil deeds affected both their physical forms AND their ethereal forms.
@@philipchurch9848 There is another addition to everything you typed.
That Morgoth and Sauron both became fully physical, and losing their ethereal forms ONLY after directly moving against the Valar themselves.
In Morgoth, he lost his ethereal form the instant he asked Ungoliant to kill the Two Trees, and Sauron lost his ethereal form, when he convinced the Numenorians to invade Valinor, and was only saved by Numenor's fall with the One Ring having a portion of his power.
Saruman could not remove the restrains put to his power, as they came from the Valar. Gandalf was actually brought back by Iluvatar, not the Valar and still wasn't at his full might, but more powerful than before. Saruman probably didn't even remember who he really was, he was the head of the order but not necessarily more powerful.
Beautiful images and storytelling. Congrats!
Hey @gfmundial,
Thank you so much for the kind words! I’m glad you enjoyed the storytelling and imagery-Middle-earth deserves nothing less than its own magic brought to life.
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An Arnor trilogy would also be a good opportunity to involve the two Blue Wizards before they go to East beyond Mordor!
When the master completes his work the people exclaim “look what we’ve accomplished” ~ Lao Tzu
Ah, a bit of wisdom from Lao Tzu-how fitting in the context of Gandalf’s role in Middle-earth! His leadership, much like the master in this quote, was never about drawing attention to his own greatness but about enabling others to rise to the occasion. His strength wasn’t just in power but in the ability to bring out the courage and resilience of those around him. Thank you for sharing this-it’s a beautifully poetic way to think about Gandalf’s mission!
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Allow it to happen without (forcing) interference
I think it would be interesting to see a Gandalf TV series of him wandering through Middle-Earth _Incredible Hulk_ style solving disputes, rescuing people, and getting involved in court politics over the part of the Third Age when The One Ring was still on the bed of the Anduin. His use of power could be small comical moments instead of pivotal dramatic ones so we see that he uses mischief as a way of dulling the temptation to tap into his full strength.
hey @Theomite!
Absolutely agree-this is such an intriguing idea! A Gandalf TV series with him wandering Middle-earth in a mix of *Incredible Hulk* and *The Mandalorian* style would be phenomenal. Picture it: Gandalf showing up in villages or courts, getting involved in everything from petty disputes to grand political schemes, all while radiating that understated wisdom and charm we know and love. His use of subtle magic and mischief could add a layer of whimsy, showcasing his restraint and his clever way of turning small moments into significant ones.
This approach would also give us a chance to explore the quieter, less-documented corners of Middle-earth during the Third Age. It could provide a fascinating contrast to the epic battles of *The Lord of the Rings*, focusing instead on Gandalf's day-to-day impact-rescuing lost travelers, subtly influencing key figures, and maybe even planting the seeds of alliances that later come into play. And those small, comical uses of power? That would be pure gold, a great way to show how he balances his immense capabilities with the Valar's restrictions and his own humility.
It’s the kind of series that could blend drama, humor, and the rich lore of Middle-earth seamlessly while giving us a deeper look at one of Tolkien’s most beloved characters. Someone pitch this to a studio now!
@@inmiddleearth I also like the idea that he could have epic adventure into the North into the wastes of the Forodwaith, nearly freezing to death in Angmar and Gundabad, and all in search of some major evil he's been hearing about...and finding nothing.
The entire journey was a waste of time and he didn't encounter anything beyond a few wargs and so what he thought was going to be an intrepid espionage mission just turned into a survival journey and he steps back out into the Rovanion exhausted and trudges down to Erebor dragging his staff behind him and finally collapsing in the dinner hall after his food arrives at his table.
The implication being that he has to deal with crap like this all the time.
Beautiful interpretation. Well done.
Thank you so much for the kind words! It really means a a lot to hear that the interpretation resonated with you. One of the greatest joys in exploring Tolkien’s world is unpacking the layers of meaning and symbolism he wove into his stories. Characters like Tom Bombadil or Gandalf often invite us to step beyond traditional narratives and see the deeper philosophical or mythological undertones. It’s always a privilege to share these ideas and engage with others who appreciate the depth and nuance of Tolkien’s work. Im grateful you took the time to share your thoughts-it keeps the conversation alive and makes creating this content even more rewarding!
There is still a thing that should be addressed about the Jackson Hobbit.
The Troll gold. In the book it mentions the cooking pot being used by the Trolls as they are found. Then later it mentions a number of these pots in a corner full of gold.
Now certainly this would describe a rather large amount of gold? More than a pony could carry. Needing a team of horses and a heavy duty wagon to transport the gokd to Bag End. Therefore needing a sizeable storage space inside Bag End. This also opens the door for some sort of magical treasure besides the swords in the troll hoard, or a number of magical treasures.
Like perhaps a magical beverage container which when water is added is transmuted into something especially good!
That’s a fascinating observation! The mention of troll gold in the book does raise some intriguing logistical questions-how did they manage to transport all of it, and where did it ultimately end up? The idea of Bag End needing additional storage for such a hoard is an amusing image, especially when you consider Bilbo’s modest lifestyle!
Your suggestion of magical treasures beyond the swords is also a fun avenue to explore. A magical beverage container that transforms water into something special sounds delightfully in line with Tolkien’s imaginative world-building. Perhaps it would have had some connection to the elves or dwarves? It makes me wonder what other forgotten treasures might have been lurking in that troll hoard. Thank you for sparking this curious train of thought!
There is a large oversight in the Jackson production of the Hobbit.
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Just before the battle of five armies. Gandalf is talking to Dain as the goblin army appears. Gandalf identifies the goblin leader to Dain by saying, Bolg whose father you slew in Moria.
Meaning Dain Killed Bolg's father in Moria. Then as we know Azog was Bolg's father. Therefore apparently that part of the Book went unnoticed because Azog was dead.
Ah yes, the curious case of Azog the Undead. It seems Peter Jackson gave us a bit of creative necromancy here! Tolkien had Azog neatly dispatched longbefore the events of The Hobbit, but the movies decided to give him a dramati encore. Perhaps Azog was just really determined not to let death ruin his big moment. Either way, it does make for some entertaining debate over Jackson’s embellishments. Thanks for pointing this out-Middle-earth never runs out of things to discuss!
Here's a challenging physics question, solve it:
Question: The Twin Paradox in General Relativity
Two twins, Alice and Bob, start from Earth. Alice remains on Earth, while Bob travels to a distant star 10 light-years away at a speed of 0.8c (where is the speed of light) and then returns to Earth at the same speed. Assume acceleration and deceleration are instantaneous.
1. What is the proper time experienced by Bob during his journey?
2. How much time has passed for Alice on Earth when Bob returns?
3. Discuss the implications of the result in the context of time dilation and spacetime geometry.
That’s quite the challenge-Gandalfwould certainly appreciate your curiosity! While he’d likely answer with a riddle orr wisdom about the nature of time, the Twin Paradox is a fascinating topic in its own right. Maybe it’s a reminder that whether in Middle-earth or physics, time is a mysterious force worth exploring!
Actually in book it was Gilgalad and Elendil with their blades forged with spells of Doom against evil, much like Merry's westetnesse blade, that slew Saurons body but died from their wounds. It was Isulder who took up the broken sword of Elindil and cut off the Ring from Saurons newly dead body.
So in the movie a good addition at sone Ai opportunity would show Sauron being slain by Isulder a second after cutting off the Ring would fit editing.
That's why a scene like Isulder using a Wimbledon Tennis move, leaping up one thigh high and double gripped hilt with a forehand swing in close quarters to at lest cut Saurons throat or decapitate, would result in the next scene of Sauron implosion and explosion and helm falling to the ground!
You’ve done a fantastic job connecting the lore with your vision for how the scene might play out with some cinematic flair. It’s true that Gil-galad and Elendil played pivotal roles in Sauron’s defeat during the War of the Last Alliance, and their sacrifice laid the groundwork for Isildur’s moment with the Ring. Tolkien’s narrative in The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings doesn’t provide all the gritty details of that final battle, leaving plenty of room for creative interpretation.
Your suggestion of Isildur finishing off Sauron with a move worthy of Wimbledon does add an entertaining spin! It would definitely give us a more dramatic transition to the iconic scene of Sauron’s helm hitting the ground. That said, I think Tolkien’s intention with Isildur was to show him as someone thrust into greatness by circumstance rather than heroism-perhaps explaining why his critical choice with the Ring later came from weakness rather than strength.
I also love the connection you make to Merry’s blade, reforged with spells of Westernesse, as it shows how Tolkien often emphasized the importance of the past’s craftsmanship and intent in defeating evil. Your enthusiasm and thought-provoking take really bring the battle to life-thank you for sharing such a vivid and fun perspective!
One of my favorite characters in the Lord of the rings, always has been Gandolf
He’s indeed one of the best fictional characters, imho.
what was the transition from grey to white about
The transition from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White is a profound moment in Tolkien’s legendarium, both symbolically and narratively. At its core, this transformation represents a renewal of purpose, a cleansing of failure, and an elevation in authority and wisdom.
As Gandalf the Grey, he was one of the Istari sent by the Valar to guide the free peoples of Middle-earth in their struggle against Sauron. However, as a Maia (an angelic being), Gandalf’s power was deliberately restrained. His mission was to inspire and advise, not to dominate or impose his will through overt displays of power. His limitations symbolized the humility and restraint necessary to fulfill his role without falling into the same traps of pride and ambition that ensnared Saruman.
When Gandalf faced the Balrog in the Mines of Moria, it was a battle of immense consequence. He triumphed but at the cost of his own life-or rather, the life of his physical form. This self-sacrifice was pivotal. Gandalf’s willingness to lay down his life for his companions and the greater good aligned with his mission to serve, not rule.
After his death, Gandalf was sent back by Eru Ilúvatar, the supreme deity in Tolkien’s mythology, to complete his task. This return as Gandalf the White marked his ascension to a higher status among the Istari. Symbolically, white is a color of purity, renewal, and authority. As the White, Gandalf effectively replaced Saruman, who had fallen into corruption and betrayal. With this new mantle came greater clarity of purpose and an enhanced ability to act decisively.
Gandalf the White was no longer merely a guide; he became a leader who could take direct action when necessary. He had a sharper focus and a deeper understanding of the stakes in the battle against Sauron. However, even as the White, his power remained balanced by his mission. He still could not confront Sauron directly or wield his might recklessly. Instead, he continued to rely on wisdom, strategy, and the courage of those he inspired.
This transformation also underscores a recurring theme in Tolkien’s work: the idea of death and resurrection leading to greater wisdom and purpose. Like Frodo and Sam’s journey into Mordor or Aragorn’s path to the throne, Gandalf’s death and rebirth reflect the trials that forge true leaders and heroes.
In summary, the transition from Grey to White was not just a change in appearance or status; it was a profound evolution of Gandalf’s role in Middle-earth’s story. It elevated him as a beacon of hope and a symbol of resilience, reflecting Tolkien’s belief in the power of sacrifice, renewal, and the triumph of purpose over ambition.
Love that Tolkien considered animals, birds and 'the forest' aka the natural world to be worthy of one of the great wizards essentially abandoning his charge and choosing to be their advocate instead. Or did he abandon his charge? What was the plan for Radagast, why was he sent. It seems we really don't know. He was called a fool by Saruman but this was after Saruman definitely fell from his own task, and its suggested that Radagast did not fail.
That’s sucha thoughtful observation! Radagast’s role often feelss overlooked, but you’re absolutely right-his connection to nature is profound. While Saruman dismissed him as a fool, it’s clear Tolkien didn’t see it that way. Radagast may not have engaged in the grand conflicts of Middle-earth like Gandalf, but his focus on the care of animals, birds, and the natural world aligns perfectly with his task. Some would argue that Radagast fulfilled his charge in his own way-protecting life in all its smaller, quieter forms while Saruman fell to corruption. In Tolkien’s world, that kind of humility and devotion is never wasted. A fascinating perspective-thank you for sharing it!
This is not a canonical interpretation of the power of the Istari. It’s true the Istari were expected to show restraint in the use of their full powers. But they were also given mortal forms (or hröa) which inherently limited their ability to wield the full power of their Maiar nature. They could disobey the mandate of their missions by MISUSING the powers they did have, such as with Saruman, but it would ultimately lead to their undoing. That’s why you see Gandalf showing uncharacteristically greater telekinetic powers (for example) when directly fighting Saruman, but only then. Gandalf exercised more restraint than Saruman, but much of this restraint was already imposed by the Valar in the physical forms they were given. Adding the one ring would change this, but that’s another story.
Ah, I see you’vedone your homework-well said! You’re absolutely right that the Istari, being Maiar in mortal forms (or hröa, as Tolkien so eloquently puts it), wereboth limited and tasked with restraint. Their mission wasn’t to dominat or dazzle with raw power but to guide and inspire the Free Peoples of Middle-earth.
And yes, Saruman is a brilliant example of what happens when that mandate is misused. He tried to bend his gifts to his own will, and we all know how that turned out. Gandalf, on the other hand, understood the wisdom of subtlety, though it’s fascinating to see how even he had moments of bending the rules-his confrontation with Saruman being a fine example.
Your point about the One Ring is tantalising, too. The very nature of the Ring would’ve amplified and corrupted their power in ways that could’ve undone their mission entirely. It’s always fascinating to imagine what might have been, but I think we can both agree Tolkien’s restraint in these matters makes the story all the richer. Lovely comment-thank you for sharing it!
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Awesome! Thanks, mate.
Wow! A tightrope walk between his potential and his purpose ..
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Beautifully said-a tightrope walk indeed. Gandalf’s restraint in wielding his power is a fascinating balancing act between fulfilling his mission and staying true to the limitations placed upon him. Thank you for capturing that essence so eloquently
The Jackson production of LOTR overall is rather well done with an amazing cast.
Except well although the actor cast for Aragorn did a good job. There was quite a discrepancy between his stature and voice versus the Tolkien depiction.
Perhaps the most glaring fault is the slaying of Sauron. Yes Tolkien states Isulder cut the ring from Saurons hand. But it seems like at least one more additional stroke would be necessary. Very likely by a magical weapon that either stabs Sauron in the heart or that decapitated him. Some additional stroke besides merely cutting the ring off.
I completely agree that the Jackson production brought Tolkien’s world to life in a remarkable way with an incredible cast. While Aragorn’s portrayal did deviate a bit from Tolkien’s original description, I think Viggo Mortensen brought a depth and intensity to the role that really resonated with audiences.
Your point about Sauron’s defeat is interesting! Tolkien does describe Isildur cutting the Ring from Sauron’s hand as the critical moment, but imagining a more dramatic or magical final blow is definitely intriguing. It could have added a heightened sense of finality to the scene, though Tolkien’s focus on the power of the Ring rather than physical combat is what makes his storytelling so unique. Thank you again for such a thoughtful comment-it’s great to explore these details with fellow fans!
@inmiddleearth an additional stroke with a magical weapon, perhaps a double strike by Isulder where in a spin move cuts the ring away then a 2nd spin and a leaping up swing, like a thigh up and the other leg out and down(like a tennis swong one thigh up and double handed grip on the racket like Wombledon) a double handed sword stroke that decapitates Sauron. Since it would have to be a close quarter stroke ad the Sword of Elindil was broken in half.
Thus it's clear that Sairons physical life is forfeit and the only remaining tie to existence for Sauron is the Rimg.
A nice touch would be taking Saurons helm also and placed somewhere in Minas Tirith.
When Sauron reappears it should be remembered his vanity and a constructed appearance that is vainly handsome and alluring to flatter and lure others with pleasures besides power. Surely some vain monarchy weak minded man way out in east middle earth could be perhaps a vessel, kind of like the dark wizard in Harry potter did with that professor in sorcerers stone or something. With well groomed short hair and a goatee or celtic chin beard masculine and muscular.
Aaaanyway might as well add bits to enhance the role of Sauron to more than a one Dimensional role. The Eye could still be on the tower like perhaps even in a floating enlarged palantir or something.
When the Ring is destroyed the enlarged palantir could be flung and land and then come to rest at the foot of Aragorn!
All this could be done with the same amazing cast production by reconstructing parts with Ai!
But did Sauron understand this? If so, then his actions make no sense, because he knew he would lose either way: either the way he actually lost, or because at the moment of victory, Gandalf could step into his Mayar power and squash him.
That’s an excellent point,and it reallly highlights the depth of Sauron’s flawed thinking. His actions often stemmed not from rational calculationsbut from pride and an overestimation of his dominance. Even if he understood Gandalf’s true potential-or that of the Free Peoples-his arrogance likely blinded him to the possibility of failure. He couldn’t conceive of defeat because he saw himself as the master of all outcomes. Tolkien paints Sauron as a character whose hubris and single-minded lust for power overshadowed his ability to truly understand those he opposed. So while he may have feared a Maia’s strength, like Gandalf stepping into his full power, Sauron’s ego would never allow him to admit it or plan for it. It’s the classic downfall of many villains in Middle-earth: their inability to see beyond their own ambition. A fantastic observation-thank you for sparking such a thought-provoking discussion!
There is a creature among others, which has definitely been overlooked for potential mentioned in the Hobbit, the Thrush birds.
Tolkien describes the Thrush birds east of the Misty Mountains as - a "magical" and long lived race. The ability to speak a native language does not seem magical, so there must be a potential for other magical abilities.
Take for instance, when Gandalf tracks Beorn back into the Misty Mountain area.
I suspect even a single Thrush feather could have magical properties which when combined with a magic wizard spell could have uses innate to flying.
In other words, if Gandalf cast a magic spell into a magical Thrush feather it could have tracked Beorn and returned with that information. Instead of Gandalf physically tracking Beorn.
This potential could be used later in LOTR to help Gandalf track a route through Moria.
Then also a magical bird species would have definitely developed a relationship with Radagast for potential additional story lines!
Thrush feathers would be handy to poke into a wizard hat and certainly go unnoticed by Saruman when Gandalf was held captive on Orthanc.
This is such an inventive take on the Thrush birds! Tolkien certainly left room for wonder in his descriptions of creatures like these, and your idea of magical Thrush feathers aiding Gandalf or Radagast is quite enchanting. It’s true that the Thrush plays a pivotal role in The Hobbit-a small yet mighty messenger. Imagining them with even more magical properties that could influence broader events in The Lord of the Rings is a delightful expansion.
The thought of Thrush feathers being infused with wizardry and playing into unseen storylines-like aiding Gandalf in Orthanc or assisting in navigation through Moria-is such a creative touch. Your idea also emphasizes Tolkien’s recurring theme of small, seemingly insignificant elements making a profound impact. Thank you for sharing this imaginative perspective! It’s the kind of detail that keeps Middle-earth alive for all of us.
@inmiddleearth Alive in 2025! U R SO Charming♥️ aaand since a magical feather it could still be a quill to write out a message to someone or bring one back to Gandalf!
I would have enjoyed this video a lot more if I hadn't noticed seen if you like it.
You did a pretty good job on this video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
You successfully spent 15 minutes reiterating one point while playing a sideshow of ai photos. And I watched the whole thing. Bravo. 👌
Hey @wethepeople6940!
Bravo to you for sticking through it all! I hhope the reiteration made the point resonate, and I’m glad the visuals kept you entertained. Sometimes, 15 minutes can feel like an epic journey-or just the prologue to one. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Gandalf was known as the GREY Pilgrim, not the Wise one. He had humility which “wise” Saruman lacked. I’m glad that your second mention of him was correct.
Hi @dougr.2398!
Ah, the Grey Pilgrim indeed! You’re absolutely right-Gandalf’s humility was a defining trait that set him apart, particularly from Saruman. Thank you for pointing that out and for appreciating the correction in the video. Tolkien’s characters always seem to spark these wonderful discussions. Cheers!
Well researched and well presented
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I"m no Tolkien scholar not even a student, but I have spent some of my time trying to comprehend what more learnered Tolkien Enthusiasts have postulated.
If going by the subject in the video and applying that across all the Maia, then serious questions must be asked., especially about Sauron ( and Morgoth to an extent).
The Maia sent by the Valar in 3rd age were severely restricted intentionally ( now the Idtari), so they would not by thelmselves weild their full potential., intentionally so, and for several reasons....Tolkien was explicit about their memories of home and the Valar. So it is doubtful in Istari form they even knew of their real potential in unrestricted form.
Sauron had no such restrictions placed on him, but he too was limited ( same as Morgoth). These limitations were self inflicted, and most likely unintentionally considering their thirst for dominion over creation.
It wasn't simply because they were evil. Personally I like to think of it as a fail safe by Eru, to give his creation a more balanced chance to flourish. The unintentionally self inflicted limitation I speak of is the diminishing power both Morgoth and Sauron suffered. Still immensely powerful, their proclivity to imbue ( for lack of a better word) essence into things they have corrupted be it a life ( Dragons) or inanimate object ( Rings of power) diminished a part of them.
Spread that concept out amongst all the powerful corrupted creatures of Morgoth, then apply that same thought to Sauron and his corruptions and you begin to see how their physical forms become weaker, but their innate abilities as well. But it also explains why things like dragons are so powerful, why Nazgul are equslly dangerous to Elves and Men. Then couple that with physical places that were also corrupted, like the poisonous rivers or forests. You begin to see why they were depleting themsrlves unintentionally. Without a power to create life only to corrupt the picture becomes even clearer.
There is a reason Dragons were so powerful in the first age...they had direct links to Morgoths power. Morgoth initially corrupted the angelic beings like maia ( Balrogs)...that couldn't have been a simple task either. It could also be a reason later on, Ungoliant was a threat to a weaker Morgoth. And smaug or tge Baltog, both potential allies to and not a servant of Sauron ( he was not powerful enough to destroy something as powerful as a Balrog for sure, one of the last "Great" Dragons such as Smaug was, also debatable)
Sauron did not escape thevfate of diminished power. The one ring is a very good example of Sauron putting a part of himself into an object thereby weakening himself ( I suspect that is one of many reasons he wants it back so urgently). Now having considered the one ring imbued with Saurons power in the hands of a restricted Wizard, that changes everything for them. It might also be why Sauroumon sought out the ring for himself not fully remembering his original self, but knowing the ring will increase what does know about himself makes the temptation worth exploring in his mind. To overcome the restrictions placed him him by the Valar...obtaining an article of power from another Maia that had not faced such restrictions changes everything. Gandalf strength of character allowed him to resist but his innate abilites ( probably unknown to him as it is just part of him probably supported that strength of character as well). .
If we Keep in mind the Istari not only had restrictions but no memories of their prior selves, power and the Valar were distant memories ( another form of limitation) it makes the story so much richer, they cant just brnd all things to their will as Eru intentionally designed it that way.
Gandalf had eons in middle earth time to come to terms with these understandings of himself tgat at first were new. It is no wonder he feared what power he could have if he was in possession of the one ring.
Sauron having been severely weakened by his deeds ( and Morgoth weakened, handless and banished a non facor to Saurons end fame) is desperate to get back a part of himself and his power.
All of this is known by the more educated Tolkien fans. For newer folks such as myself...we have to take this in small bites. It is so interesting to hear perspectives that cause new thoughts....and that ALL hoes back to genius of Tolkiens abilities. We will forever debate, postulate, theorize and contemplate the Words of Tolkien.❤
Thank you for such a detailed and thought-provoking comment! The depth of your analysis and the connections you’ve drawn truly enrich the discussion. Tolkien’s work indeed lends itself to these layered interpretations, and you’ve captured the intricacy beautifully. Your reflections on the limitations and self-inflicted diminishment of power add so much to the understanding of Morgoth and Sauron’s arcs. Kudos for taking the time to share this-I can tell you’re as passionate about Tolkien’s legendarium as many of us here!
Thank you for the art-work
You're very welcome! I'm so glad you enjoyed it-thank you for taking the time to share your appreciation!
EONWE’ was said to be mightiest at arms in Middle Earth .
Spot on, @cedricthomas4867! Eönwë, the Herald of Manwë, is indeed described as the mightiest with arms in all of Arda. Tolkien gives us glimpses of his immense power in The Silmarillion. As the chief of the Maiar serving Manwë, Eönwë was unmatched in combat skill, leading the host of the Valar during the War of Wrath that ultimately defeated Morgoth.
It’s fascinating to think about Eönwë’s role in the great conflicts of the First Age, especially considering that, despite his strength, he didn’t act alone but led a united host. Tolkien’s world always seems to emphasise that true strength isn’t just about might, but also about leadership and purpose.
Thanks for bringing him up-Eönwë doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough in conversations about Middle-earth’s greatest powers! What’s your favourite moment involving him? Would love to hear your thoughts. Cheers! 😊
He didn't restrain himself against the Balrog; no one who has been in a desperate fight would do that. He used as much power as he had available at the time. I thought this was the nature of his incarnation as Gandalf the grey and the difference between this and Gandalf the white.
That’s a great observation, James! Gandalf’s battle with the Balrog was indeed a desperate fightand it makes sense that he’d use all the power he had at his disposal in that moment. The distinction you’ve drawn between Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White is spot on-it highlights the evolution in his role and power after his resurrection. Thanks for adding such a thoughtful perspective to the conversation!
Yes, and that was told in the video. One obvious and necessary exemption from his rule.
I know he held back his power out of concern for the well-being of the children of Illuvitar. Then Círdan gave him the ring of fire. As a servent of the sacred fire using the ring Narya, he knew the extent of his power. He also knew there would be consequences if he used that power without holding back. The Children of Eru were his to guide against evil and the looming shadows. His true power was bringing the best of the free peoples of middle earth together, and acting as a lieutenant against Sauron, with Aaragorn leading the men and elves.
Edit: damn I really just said what you said, just to a lesser extent 😂
Haha, no worries, mate! You might’ve just echoed it, but you added a lovely bit of flavor along the way. The point about Narya and Gandalf’s focus on uniting the Free Peoples is spot-on. And hey, as long as we’re all diving deep into Tolkien’s world, the more perspectives, the better! Appreciate the thoughtfulness here-and the laugh at the end was the cherry on top! Cheers!
He summarised this when he said "Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment". Gandalf says this to Frodo in The Fellowship of the Ring.
Gandalf continues, "Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many".
As did Galadriel when she passed the test.
What a brilliant connection to that powerful quote! Gandalf’s wisdom in that moment reminds us of the importance of humility and restraint when wielding power or making judgments. It reflects his deeper understanding of the complexities of morality and the unpredictable outcomes of life and death. Thank you for sharing this-it encapsulates so much of what makes his character resonate
This narrative is redundant making the same point over and over again.
Ah, repetition-the hallmark of emphasis and thoroughness, or as you see it, redundancy. But hey, who needs clarity or layered nuance when a single bullet point would suffice, right? Thanks for powering through the "over and over" to leave your thoughts-guess it must’ve been compelling enough to stick around! 😉
This is really good! May I ask which YT channels inspired you?
Thank you. There are some really good middle-earth lore channels out there. I’m just a big fan of Tolkien’s work.
I have long suspected that my automobile has secret powers, too. Terrifying powers, waiting to be unleashed.
Ah, a fellow keeper of secret vehicular powers! Let’s just hope your car’s terrifying abilities lean more towards Gandalf’s subtle wisdom and less towards Sauron’s fiery ambitions. Drive wisely, my friend-you may have a Balrog under the hood!
This is a lovely video. But it seems to me that this video is assuming that Gandalf as an Istari, in his old man form, has immediate and ongoing access to the same level of power as he did as Olorin, the Maiar. I don’t think that’s true however. The limits on the Istari’s power were not predominantly self enforced, but came with the mantle and mission itself, including a certain loss of some level of self awareness upon incarnation. At some point I remember learning that Mithrandir, as the elves knew him, wouldn’t have had full memory of his time before, only a subtle longing for it, and a drive to complete his mission.
This gets to the confusion in some of the other comments as well wondering if other maiar had access to immediate battle-ending or mountain-moving levels of power. They didn’t, even if they gave up on self-restraint. Not Gandalf, or Radagast, or Saruman who eventually didn’t care about the restrictions of the original mission, not even the Balrog, or Sauron who where also Maiar… None of them could just unleash absolute or even angelic levels of power at will. A major amount of the restrictions seem to have just come from being enfleshed/incarnate. This is why Saruman or even Sauron or the Balrog could still be wounded and in some cases killed by regular physical means. An incarnate Maiar is already vastly restricted.
I think that unlike the issue of the last time the valar and Maiar intervened that caused the destruction of half the continent, embodied Maiar are just inherently less powerful. So yes, Gandalf is restricted in his use of power, and even after that is still choosing non-forceful methods to encourage others, but he is not in this perpetual agonizing temptation to use his power in the way the video describes.
Great overall description of a lot of the aspects of the character and themes of the story. A good model for all of us who have access to power and influence, don’t make it about ourselves.
Cheers for such a thorough and insightful comment,mate! You’ve really captured the complexity ofthe Istari’s limitations and their purpose in Middle-earth. I love the point about the ‘enfleshed’ Maiar-so true that their incarnate forms inherently restricted their power, making their missions as guides rather than dominators all the more poignant.
You’re absolutely right that the restrictions weren’t just self-imposed but tied to their mission, which makes Gandalf’s restraint all the more admirable. And yes, the subtle loss of awareness and the challenges of their incarnate forms add another layer to their struggles. The way you described it really deepens the understanding of their role, and I completely agree that Gandalf wasn’t perpetually agonising over temptation but instead focused on inspiring others.
Thanks for this brilliant contribution @alexanderportolov it’s always a pleasure to see Tolkien’s world explored in such depth. Hope to hear more of your thoughts!
I would have to look it up, it says Milian took the form she did to have more power directly over things in Middle Earth and in that form she was able to get the king,Thingol, a son,Dior. Also in that form she was able to aid in the defense of the Kingdom with the girdle. (Magical fence around the kingdom) So she retained great power and was able to have a child, but was also limited by that form in the world. She did not switch back and forth. She only returned to her true form with the death of her husband and she returned to Valinor.
Beautiful artwork, where can we see or get them?
Hey @Mithrandyr,
I’m glad you enjoyed the artwork! Most of the visuals used in the video are created to match the tone and themes of Tolkien’s world, and they often come from custom prompts and a keen eye for detail. If you’re interested in a particular piece, let me know, I’d love to share more about how it came together! Thanks for noticing and appreciating the visuals.
Hints of an upcoming Arnor trilogy are intriguing as it could include the arrival of Hobbits. Perhaps east and west of the Misty Mountains.
One area of particular interest that has gone unnoticed, is the North Downs or Farthing of the Shire on the southern shores of Lake Evindum.
I believe this would be a good opportunity to bring in Hobbits more closely associated with the Elves of west Eregion. Perhaps more elvishly fair Hobbits.
Then most intriguing as Feanor had been in that area of the North Downs. What if some Talisman of Earendil or something had been sequestered there and discovered by a North Downs Hobbit pure of heart that transforms this Hobbit into a type of Wizard?
Now this transformation could wait and occur even sometime after the Hobbit or just before LOTR. SO that this Hobbit Wizard could be a last ditch hope if the destruction of the Ring is unsuccessful. Then after success be a part of the new Fourth Age that transforms Middle Earth into a Peaceful Era. A Hobbit Wizard would be an intriguing part anywhere between Arnor and the end of the Third Age!!!
The transformation of the north Downs Hobbit could even occur close to a visit by Gandalf to Frodo after Bilbo is gone, where Gandalf is drawn by the surge of magic the North Downs❤
Perhaps sequestered what had been a type of mithril wand with a flake from a silmaril about 3 1/2 feet long which would serve as a staff for a Hobbit Wizard♥️
The real truth is that wizards and witches will all have their place in the lake of fire unless they repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Don’t look up to demons as idols they cannot save you only the Lord Jesus Christ can do that!
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Wow, officially the dumbest comment I've ever read on any TH-cam channel. Ever.
I definitely think Saurons vanity would have driven him to subjugate a weak minded royalty handsome man of the East. In like manner Saruman did to the king of Rohan. Except deeper subjugation to exploit all physical senses.
Which of course would lead to a castle like taking Minas morgal instead of the witch king, perhaps?
That’s an intriguing thought! Sauron’s vanity and desire for dominion certainly align with his character, and the idea of him subjugating a figure of royalty in the East mirrors his manipulative tendencies. Saruman’s hold over Théoden is a compelling parallel, though Sauron might indeed have taken things to far greater extremes. The notion of him reshaping Minas Morgul through such a conquest opens up fascinating possibilities-perhaps a twisted reflection of his own power and ambition. Thank you for sparking such creative speculation! What inspired you to explore this angle?
@inmiddleearth greed would generate lust which would generate desire to have physical opportunity for lust and desire the "Court" trappings and multiple choices that a "Court" attracts.
There could still be an Eye over the Tower rather in an enlarged floating Palantir enlarged by Saurons greed, also representing a rotating globe for plans to dominate Middle Earth!
Of course when the Ring is destroyed it could be flung to come to rest at Aragorns feet! As Saurons Eye goes lifeless..
Gandalf is a Maia (Angel) sent by the Valar to guide and counsel the free people to stand against Sauron.
You’re absolutely right-Gandalf, as a Maia sent by the Valar, had a very specific mission: to inspire and guide rather than dominate or impose his will. His restraint was critical to ensuring that the free peoples of Middle-earth stood on their own against Sauron, rather than relying on raw divine intervention. It’s a fascinating dynamic that adds so much depth to Tolkien’s world and Gandalf’s character. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Did I hear it right, when you said that Gandalf didn’t use his full power against the Balrog? Weren’t they equal in power since they were both maiar? I’ve heard that he couldn’t use his full power in his “mortal” form, but if not, then how did he beat the balrog, since the balrog wouldn’t have put those self-imposing restrictions on himself not to use its full power. I hope this made sense. Lol.
You bring up an excellent point that often stirs up a lot of curiosity! Gandalfand the Balrog were indeed both Maiar, which means tthey shared a similar “level” of origin, but their circumstances were vastly different. When Gandalf came to Middle-earth as one of the Istari, he was bound to a mortal form, intentionally restrained in both power and purpose by the Valar. His role was to guide and inspire, not to dominate through raw strength.
The Balrog, on the other hand, was not bound by the same limitations, as it had already fallen under Morgoth’s corruption and operated purely on its primal destructive will. Gandalf’s victory was a testament not to overwhelming force but to endurance, strategy, and the indomitable will to protect others. His mortal form and constraints made the fight all the more impressive because he fought within those boundaries and ultimately triumphed, even at great personal cost. Hopefully, this clarifies things! And yes, your question absolutely made sense-great insight!
Gandalf was SCARED about the impending battle with the Baldog. He didn't try to avoid it, but he didn't know how it would turn out. He did not fight with one power-endowed hand behind his back; he gave everything he had to try to defeat the Balrog. He killed the Balrog, but the effort killed him. No, Gandalf didn't go through his travails with near-absolute cosmic power at his command.
Absolutely spot on! Gandalf’s battle with the Balrog is one of the most raw and human moments we see from him. He wasn’t this untouchable cosmic force,he was a servant fulfilling his duty with everything he had, knowing ful well the cost could be his life. That fear, that uncertainty, makes him all the more remarkable. It’s not power alone that defines Gandalf. it’s his resolve to use what he has, even when the outcome is far from certain. Beautifully put!
in the movie dos in the fight against sauron in dol goldur he couldn't stand up to sauron even if he used his full strength sauron was stronger which also doesn't make sense in the extended version of rotk. the witch king owns gandalf by breaking his staff.
This is an excellent observation and a good critique of the movie adaptations. It’s true that in Tolkien’s legendarium, Gandalf is a Maia, a being of immense power, though bound by the restrictions placed upon him in his role as an Istari. While the films dramatize certain moments-like Sauron’s strength in Dol Guldur or the Witch-king breaking Gandalf’s staff-these moments are more about cinematic tension than strict lore accuracy.
In the books, Gandalf’s power is more subtle and often indirect, emphasizing wisdom and guidance over brute strength. The Witch-king’s confrontation with Gandalf, for instance, never explicitly plays out in the same way in the text. It’s always fascinating to explore how adaptations take liberties, sometimes for drama, and how that differs from the themes Tolkien embedded in his work. Thank you for pointing this out-it’s always great to dive into the nuances of both the films and the lore!
Did Olorin/Gandalf hold huge power. Yes. But when he came back as a wizard, his power was greatly reduced. All the powers of Ainur were more constrained when they came down to middle earth. In many ways, they constrained themselves. The Balrog was a Maiar of Aulë, just like Sauron. With every defeat, Sauron lost various aspects of the power he formerly possessed.
Spot on, mate! You’ve really nailed the essence of Tolkien’s world here. The Ainur, including Gandalf as Olórin, had immensepower but were bound by the limitations of their incarnate forms i Middle-earth. That self-imposed restraint speaks volumes about their purpose. guidance, not domination.
And yes, the Balrog as a corrupted Maia of Aulë and Sauron losing fragments of his power with each defeat, it all ties beautifully into Tolkien’s recurring theme of how pride and corruption chip away at greatness. Thanks for commenting!
I personally think also for movie adaptation of the Hobbit.
It would be conducive to the plot to reduce the number of dwarves.
In the narrative a number of them only have a few lines of words.
The plot could handle just SIX dwarves with Bilbo the lucky number SEVEN.
The dwarves with the most contributing roles appear to be:
Thorin
Balin
Fili
Kili
Bombur
Then Gloin since his son has a major role in LOTR.
Various small actions of the other dwarves could be assigned to these six.❤
Then further on expanding the role of magical or animated plant life.
Imagine if during the encounter with the Trolls. If Bilbo were kicked up into a large type of Venus Fly Trap instead of a thorn bush would make animated plant life more part of the story. Not to mention phosphorescent plants or even insects in the Goblin Tunnels or even Wood Elf Caves.❤ and of course in Imladris.
Thanks for sharing your creative vision! Focusing on the most impactful dwarves, like Thorin and Balin, could indeed tighten the narrative and give their arcs more depth-plus, Bilbo as the ‘lucky number seven’ is a charming touch.
Expanding the role of magical plant life, like a giant Venus flytrap or phosphorescent plants in the Goblin tunnels, is a fascinating idea! It could highlight Middle-earth’s natural wonders in a new light while weaving in more fantastical elements. Imagine how this could deepen the sense of mystery and magic in places like Imladris or the Wood Elf caves. Your ideas really spark the imagination-thank you for sharing!
@inmiddleearth thank you for your charm and platform to open conversation about adapting Tolkien to a deeper magical Tolkien♥️
The Valar forbid Gandalf from using his magic and supernatural powers to fight Sauron directly.
That’s absolutely correct, @oliveremmettknox7776! The Valar’s directive to the Istari, including Gandalf, was to guide and inspire rather than directly confront Sauron with sheer power. Gandalf’s role was always more about fostering the courage and unity of Middle-earth’s free peoples, rather than wielding his own considerable might as a Maia. This restraint speaks volumes about Tolkien’s themes of humility, cooperation, and resisting the corruptive allure of domination. A fascinating dynamic, isn’t it?
Absolutely beautiful!
Thank you so much! Appreciate you.
It's an interesting claim that any Ainur could bend reality, if he/she dared use his/her full power, but I will have to disagree. I think as each played a part in the making of the universe and Arda itself, but found in the end that the end result of their combined contribution far exceeded what each contributed (see: Gestalt), each could one way or another affect and reshape reality as much as allowed by their innate strength. To think that a Maia could bring down mountains for instance is absurd, given that the mountains were created by a far greater power. And there's also the will of Eru Illuvatar to contest with. Also, interacting with reality requires a physical shell, a body, which limits the amount of power that they can wield or project. Projecting the flame of Anor in full would burn Gandalf to a crisp, part of why he died at Zirakzigil, fighting the Balrog. I theorize that he wasn't just burnt by the Balrog's flame but by his own flame too, from within. "I was spent" may not just mean bodily fatigue but hint at some other depletion, mental and spiritual. As a parallel, this is also one of the reasons why Sauron creates the one ring. He needs a vessel to pour in "most of the power that was native to him in the beginning" as Gandalf puts it, to wield that otherworldly power in our reality without putting too much stress on his mortal shell. If you missed it, Sauron's ring arm is black and hot. I would argue that this was the ring's doing and possibly unintended. Sure, you could go full Balrog and take a shadowy, flamy form for good but keeping a fair visage while getting burnt at the same time? Must be painful... But why then should Sauron endure such torment? Why, because lusting for power that's why. Consider the desire that the ring creates in others. The ring that which is part of Sauron, the all power-hungry. His master before him had endured much pain for grasping the Silmarili but he too had endured the pain just because he had lusted for them. And not even for power. Just plain simple lust. So is it farfetched to think that Sauron would welcome the pain from a burnt hand if it meant that he could wield much more of his divine power on Arda? I dare say not. But even wearing his ring, he did conquer most of the middle-earth but not by bending reality, just by sheer will and military might. If he could create earthquakes, bring down asteroid showers, create deserts where there used to be forrests or otherwise change earth in time, that shouldn't count as 'bending reality'. I don't believe anyone but Eru has such power. Not Manwe, Not Melkor, and certainly none of the Maiar...
Ah, this is a fascinating comment and one that certainly invites some thoughtful engagement. You’ve clearly put a lot of effort into dissecting the nuances of power and its limitations in Tolkien’s world, and I must say, your point about the Ainur and their interaction with reality strikes a chord. It’s a fine reminder that even divine beings within Tolkien’s legendarium are bound by constraints-be they physical, moral, or even by their own nature.
Your mention of “bending reality” as something far beyond the reach of even the greatest Maia or Vala is spot on. It brings to mind how Tolkien framed power: always tethered to consequence and rarely without cost. This idea of Sauron enduring physical and spiritual torment for his lust for power, despite its futility, is such a rich parallel to the destructive nature of obsession-a theme Tolkien handled with remarkable depth. It’s not far-fetched to imagine his own wartime experiences colouring that portrayal.
And your take on the ring’s unintended effects, such as Sauron’s burned hand, is the kind of layered analysis that keeps Tolkien’s work alive in the minds of readers, decades after his passing. The idea of the One Ring as both a vessel and a curse is so intricately woven into the story, isn’t it? It’s a stark reminder that even the mightiest beings in Arda are, at their core, subject to the consequences of their own ambitions.
All said, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your perspective-it’s refreshing to see such a thoughtful analysis in the comment section. It’s like sitting down for a proper chat over a cuppa and exploring the finer points of Tolkien’s world. Cheers for sharing your insight, mate!
Just like Luke Skywallker....he inspires others
Absolutely! Gandalf, like Luke Skywalker, shows that true greatness lies not in power alone, but in inspiring hope, courage, and resilience in others. A beautiful comparison-thank you for sharing it!
Fascinating
Glad this made you wonder.
Then you know what with ARIENs invincible power allied to the last light fruit from the Gold Light Tree.
Forcing all forces if evil to seek the cover of Caves or covering themselves with a mixture of dark clouds to block Ariens light.
Besides dark fumes from Mt Doom. It sure seems like Sauron would tap into the forces of tornadoes. Besides being a destructive force. With the Anduin so handy Water Spouts could fill the skies with dark clouds too. Now you have lightning and the extreme sound of thunder as weapons and of course torrential rain and flooding.
Now we know Gandalf studied up on these forces and could no doubt cast spells to fight them. But it would add another texture to the conflict❤
Saruman himself used dark cloud induced lightning to attack the 9 on Caradhras.
This is such a vivid and imaginative comment! You’ve woven together so many elements from Tolkien’s legendarium in a way that brings out the dramatic interplay of light and dark forces. The idea of Arien’s light being an active force against Sauron’s darkness is particularly compelling-it really taps into the cosmic battle Tolkien described so well in his works. And tying in natural phenomena like tornadoes and water spouts as part of Sauron’s arsenal adds a dynamic layer to how evil manipulates even nature itself.
Gandalf’s knowledge of these forces, and the possibility of him countering such threats, certainly adds another layer to his role as a protector and guide. And your point about Saruman using storms on Caradhras ties it all together beautifully-it’s a stark reminder of how even the elements can be turned against the Free Peoples. Thank you for sharing this richly detailed perspective! It’s always a joy to explore these imaginative possibilities within Tolkien’s world.
AI-assisted or not, the human element is there. I approve :)
With great power comes great responsibility.
In book and movies Imladris or Rivebdale is under rated by reason of Elronds ring.
Much more true to story if plant life is more like from Pandora!
That Imladris is a sanctuary for more rare middle earth life such as other forms of Elf kind and especially Fairies.
Granted Tolkien only mentions Fairy as a possible relative of Bilbo. Yet just like any court if any door is opened even a Crack!
I think when Gandalf sneaks after the dwarves & Bulbo after captured by goblins. Gandalf could have found and freed an imprisoned or shackled fairy which could become part of the story for film.
Then there is a huge pass over of the woodland elf magic that can put others unconscious which surely would have been used later against the goblins!
Point is the Hobbit in film could be soooo much more fantastically magical which could be used to make the story soooo much less violent. Opposition conflict can be more inventive and clever than slapstick violence.
Plus the music could certainly be updated.
Then of course Bilbo is OUT into it so why not find romance even if it's with another species or the same gender?
Certainly plant life could be more creative and play a larger role as well!
Thank you for sharing sucha creative and detailed perspective! Your ideass about exploring the magical aspects of Middle-earth, like woodland elf magic and even fairies, are fascinating and certainly offer a fresh take. It’s interesting to think about how Middle-earth could feel even more fantastical with these elements woven into the narrative.
Your point about Rivendell (Imladris) being underrated is also well-taken-Elrond’s ring certainly plays a significant role in preserving its sanctuary-like quality, and that magic could definitely be expanded upon in adaptations. Tolkien’s world is so rich that it sparks endless possibilities for reimagination and exploration, as you’ve shown here. Thanks for contributing to the conversation!
@inmiddleearth I totally agree! Then also the feather spell thing Gandalf might use to track Beorn could still work when combined with other magic!!
Take the thrush birds - a "magical" and long lived race - which could mean even a feather could have magic qualities which when combined with a wizard spell could have implications or possibilities❤
Nor to mention oen up a relationship between magical thrashes and Radagast. Plus later a magical thrush feather and Gandalf spell could help track party of 9 through Moria in LOTR!
I think you overestimate Gandalf's power significantly. Yes, he exercised restraint, and that's important. But he was one of the Maia, not the Valar. In contrast, Sauron, formerly Mairon, was one of the most powerful of the Maiar(created along with the Valar before the earth(Arda) was created. He participated in the singing.) He _also_ spent millennia in pursuit of increasing his power via acquired sorceries(incl. the forging of the rings of power.) In Tolkien's Arda, power is not static, but can was or wane over time, depending on many factors.
Meanwhile, the balrogs were also Maiar corrupted by Melkor who was the _mightiest_ of the Valar.
It's quite clear in the books, imo. that when Gandalf fought the balrog, it took everything he had. They fought for a _long_ time, and Gandalf _died._ He and the balrog slew each other. He had to be _resurrected_ by the Valar(or Illuvatar?) in order to return as Gandalf the White. Why would he just _die_ in order to hold back? That's silly, and there's no support for that in the books.
'Levels of power' in Tolkien's hierarchy of beings were not static, nor fixed by category. For example, Melkor who was initially a god and _mightiest_ of the Valar, weakend so drastically over time, that he eventually could not shed his mortal form, and was wounded in a sword fight with an elf-king(Finrod, I think).
- Meanwhile the elves, who first came into the world immortal, but without innate magic, often become sorcerers, such as Glorfindel, Elrond, Galadriel, and the before that, Finwe(sp?) forger of the Silmarils, and others.
- And then, there's the Witch King, who had been a mortal man, but who, given immortality by Sauron's ring, and some power, became a mighty sorcerer whereas the other 8 Ringwraiths did not become that powerful, not being sorcerers(a learned pursuit, not an innate power).
- Gandalf gained power when he became 'the White,' and Saruman lost power when he forsook 'the white' to become 'of Many Colors.'
- Melkor and Sauraon were _both_ Valar, but Melkor was indisputably more powerful and the master. So the category of being doesn't tell us everything.
- When the Fellowship of the Ring was caught in Saruman's snowstorm on the mountain, Gandalf tried to counter it, but was not strong enough, though he was closer, and they were both Istari.
Gandalf went into Mirkwood to root out the Necromancer, who was a weak Sauron at the time. Gandalf _didn't_ sit back and guide mortals to do it. He also fought alongside men, elves, dwarves, and hobbits on several occasions, against orcs and trolls.
He and Aragorn hunted Smeagol(Golem). So he took a rather more active role than you describe. But he was limited. In fact, it was Aragorn who finally found Smeagol.
So, Gandalf wasn't just play-acting/role-playing so that men/elves/dwarves/hobbits could find their own strength. He was doing what he could. (But yes, wisdom and guidance were his primary influence - inspiring greatness in others.)
Also recall that Sauron, in the Silmarilion, - a mightier Maia than Gandalf - was taken captive by the Dunedain, a race of long-lived _men_ with some elven blood. He corrupted their hearts over time with deceptions, but he could not simply defeat them directly - certainly not with a 'wave of his hand.'
So, putting these considerations together, you get a picture of a far more limited wizard than the god-like being you describe. And one who was more active behind the scenes than was described in LOTR.
I agree with your more philosophical views about restraint, the power of wisdom, friendship, guidance, and love, rather than control and dominance. And that was, certainly, Gandalf's character.
Thank you for sucha thoughtful and well-articulated comment! Your depth of knowledge and nuanced understanding of Tolkien's legendarium is truly impressive. You're absolutely right to point out that Gandalf, while powerful, was not on the same level as beings like Sauron or Melkor. The distinctions you’ve drawn between the Maiar and Valar, and the fluidity of power within Tolkien's hierarchy, add sso much depth to the conversation.
I appreciate your analysis of how power in Middle-earth isn't static, but rather something that can wax and wane depending on circumstances, choices, and even moral corruption. The examples you’ve provided-like Melkor's decline, Sauron's rise through sorcery, and Gandalf’s transformation from Grey to White-paint a rich picture of Tolkien’s world where power is both dynamic and deeply tied to the story’s moral and thematic core.
You make an excellent case for Gandalf's limitations, especially during his battle with the Balrog. It's true that he poured everything he had into that fight, and his resurrection was only possible through intervention from higher powers. I also appreciate the reminder of Gandalf's active role in events like rooting out the Necromancer, hunting Gollum, and battling alongside the Free Peoples. These examples showcase his balance between action and inspiration, as he often worked within the constraints placed upon him by his mission as one of the Istari.
Your comment also strikes a lovely balance by affirming the philosophical heart of Gandalf’s character-his restraint, his reliance on wisdom and love, and his ability to inspire greatness in others. That, as you highlight, is what truly set him apart, even if he wasn’t a god-like being wielding overwhelming force.
Thank you for sharing your perspective and for taking the time to engage with the ideas presented. It’s always a pleasure to have such meaningful discussions with someone so passionate about Tolkien's work. Bravo for this beautifully detailed and insightful contribution!
i cant find the setting to stop showing AI videos, can anyone help me out
Of course! Simply headto Settings > Reality Preferences > Escape > Select ‘Unicorns Only’ and voilà, nomore AI viideos. If that doesn’t work, Gandalf might recommend simply not clicking them… a solution both ancient and wise! 😜
Melian first came with Olorin during the saga of the dawn of first age.
I haven’t heard the name Melian in a while, tbh. Thanks for bringing her up, @voltfields3900-it’s alwaays great to dive into some of the deeper parts of Tolkien’s lore. Melian is such a fascinating character, isn’t she? A Maia who came to Middle-earth and ended up ruling Doriath alongside Thingol, with her Girdle of Melian protecting the realm.
That said, Melian and Olórin (Gandalf’s original name) didn’t really cross paths in the way you’re suggesting. While they were both Maiar who served the Valar, their stories took very different routes. Melian left Valinor during the First Age, while Olórin stayed behind, inspiring the Elves and learning from the Valar like Nienna. Gandalf didn’t come to Middle-earth until the Third Age, long after Melian’s time.
Still, it’s interesting to think about their similarities. Both of them had a quiet, guiding wisdom and a deep understanding of the world, which makes them stand out among the Maiar. I’d love to hear what you think about Melian’s influence compared to Olórin’s-she’s a character that doesn’t get talked about nearly enough!
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts-it’s always a pleasure to chat about Tolkien’s world with fellow fans. Cheers
My question is, why didn't he use this unknown power against Sauron in Dol-Guldur? Unless, Sauron was for sure was more powerful than him.
Great question! Gandalf's restraint at Dol Guldur wasn’t about alack of power but rather about the nnature of his mission and the role he was meant to play in Middle-earth. As one of the Istari, Gandalf was deliberately sent by the Valar with his powers veiled and restricted. His task wasn’t to conquer or defeat through sheer might but to guide and inspire the Free Peoples to rise against Sauron themselves.
As for Dol Guldur, Sauron had regained enough strength to pose a significant threat, and Gandalf was well aware that a direct confrontation could backfire. While Gandalf certainly had formidable abilities, Sauron was a Maia of immense power, augmented further by millennia of dark sorceries and his mastery of domination. A head-to-head clash between the two would have been risky, not to mention counterproductive to Gandalf’s mission of encouraging unity and resistance among Middle-earth's inhabitants.
It’s also worth noting that Gandalf wasn’t entirely passive-his efforts to reveal Sauron’s presence at Dol Guldur prompted the White Council to act and drive him into retreat (albeit temporarily). This is a classic example of Gandalf working through others rather than relying solely on his own strength, which is a key theme in Tolkien's work: strength through cooperation, not domination.
So, while Sauron may have been more powerful in raw strength, Gandalf’s greatest weapon wasn’t brute force-it was his wisdom, restraint, and ability to inspire. That’s what made him such a vital and unique force against the Shadow.
So why didn't Saruman do that? Restraint? What about Sauron?
That’s a fantastic question! IMHO, Saruman’sI failure to maintain restraint stems from his growing pride and desire for power. Unlike Gandalf, who stayed true to his mission, Saruman became obsessed with mastering and mimicking Sauron’s methods, believing he could control the darkness rather than be consumed by it. This lack of humility ultimately led to his downfall.
As for Sauron, restraint was never part of his character. As a Maia of Aulë, Sauron was originally gifted in crafting and order, but his allegiance to Melkor (Morgoth) turned him toward domination and corruption. His power was entirely focused on control and subjugation, and any sense of self-limitation vanished when he pursued the creation of the One Ring.
In contrast, the restraint imposed on the Istari was both a mandate from the Valar and a necessary part of their mission to inspire, not dominate. Saruman abandoned this principle, which led to his tragic arc.
In one way, what Gandalf did to restrain his power could be an euphemism of that which veterans have to deal with. Tolkien would have known this.
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Hi @ronaldlebeck9577,
Your insight strikes a profound chord. Tolkien's experiences in World War I undeniably cast longg shadows across his mythological landscape, particularly in characters like Gandalf who embody extraordinary potential yet choose deliberate restraint.
As a young lieutenant who survived the Somme's apocalyptic battlefields, Tolkien understood intimately the seductive danger of unchecked power. His wizards-especially Gandalf-become metaphors for principled leadership: powerful beings who recognize that true strength lies not in domination, but in guidance and strategic wisdom.
Gandalf's journey mirrors the complex moral landscape of soldiers who return from war carrying both capability and conscience. His calculated choice to inspire rather than overwhelm reflects a profound understanding that leadership transcends raw force-it demands moral imagination and deep compassion.
Your perspective illuminates the subtle, almost invisible threads connecting Tolkien's personal experiences to his mythological narratives. It's a reminder that great literature often emerges from the most traumatic human experiences, transforming pain into universal understanding.
Thank you for bringing such nuanced reflection to our discussion.
I want the first picture please 😊
Which one again?
@inmiddleearth the one with gandalf holding his staff with a blue flame and blueish background
Beautiful!
Brilliant
Does repeat the same things repeatedly. So probably is AI?
Haha, I am not artificially intelligent, not even intelligent, I presume! Just a big Tolkien fan whosometimes gets a bit carried away exploring all the little details. I’ll try to mix things up more in the future, cheers for the feedback! 😊
@inmiddleearth Well, if your not AI I owe you an apology! I am also a Tolkien nut and watch " Nerd of the Rings" and ? Unfortunately, I have a terrible memory.
Nerd of the rings is a pretty good channel.
Nice voice for storytelling. A bit too heavy on the import, I think. I like the artwork.
Thank you for the kind words, @CaptainHotRod7948 I’m glad youu enjoyed the storytelling voice and the artworkit means a lot. I’ll definitely take your feedback on the tone into account as I continue refining things. Always appreciate thoughtful input like this!
"Good intentions pave the way to Hell"
Ozzy Osbourne's Tonight (1980)
Ah, a classic line from the Prince of Darkness himself! A reminder that even well-meaning plans can lead to unintended consequences-something Gandalf, and perhaps all of us, know too well. Thanks for dropping that reference-always good to have a little Ozzy in the mix!
xk se enrolla tanto?, no puede decir: "sus poderes son este, este y este"
Fair point, mate. Sometimes the lore gets a bit elaborate because it’s all about the details that make Middle-earth feel so alive. But I see what you meanit could be summed up more directly. Thanks for the feedback, I’ll keep it in mind for future videos!
AI. .I hope it takes it's lessons from gandalf..so that if it ever becomes sentient..it can act like the grey pilgrim and use its power to help and guide..never to control.
Absolutely! If AI starts taking notes from Gandalf, we might just end up with the wisest, most helpful virtual assistant ever-always guiding us with subtle nudges, never controlling, and maybe occasionally disappearing to smoke some metaphorical pipe-weed. Let’s just hope it doesn’t start showing up late to meetings and saying, “A wizard AI is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to.”
Wait a minute: There were 5 Istari, and all of them except Gandalf had failed in their missions to one degree or another-Saruman being the most extreme in his failure and his betrayal of the Valar. Saruman was thus presumably free of the restraint Gandalf practiced, yet we don’t see Saruman deciding battles with the wave of his staff or reworking the fabric of Arda at will. We see him building an army, swaying Theoden, and employing spies. He does seem to have manipulated the reproduction of Orcs to breed Uruk-hai, but he never levels mountains with magic.
Saruman was more powerful than Gandalf, at least until Gandalf returned from Valinor after his fight with the Balrog. And Sauron was more powerful than any of the Istari. Yet even Sauron is not shown twisting reality with a wave of his hand.
Gandalf certainly had great power, but not nearly as much as this video asserts.
Finally, what’s with showing Gandalf with those stupid pointed antenna-ears that so many artists inflict on Tolkien’s Elves? Gandalf wasn’t an Elf, and he was supposed to look like an aged Man. Way too much AI used in this video, and way too much repetition. It could have been 1/3 as long and stated everything it had to say.
I appreciate the detailed critique. It’s clear you’ve given this a lot of thought. I’d agree thaat Saruman’s failure, despite abandoning restraint, is a fascinating comparison to Gandalf’s measured approach. While Saruman seemed more focused on manipulation and control, Gandalf’s power was always more subtle, rooted in inspiration and moral strength rather than grand displays.
As for the pointed ears-fair point! Tolkien himself didn’t describe Gandalf as having them, so that one’s down to artistic license. I also hear you on the repetition; it’s something I’ll aim to refine in future videos. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback-it’s discussions like this that keep Middle-earth’s lore so alive.
This is why bat in the sun fans did him a big disservice saying that Darth vader could beat him 🙄
I see where you’re coming from! Saying Darth Vader could take him down does seem like a bit of a stretch-Tom Bombadil’s in a league of his own, isn’t he? Immune to the Ring, master of his own domain… Vader wouldn’t know what to do with someone who just laughs off power struggles. Still, those ‘what if’ battles are all in good fun!
These beginnings of Gandalf are educational.
However it appears lost on Peter Jackson. Though it would be an incredible challenge to take on Tilkien in Production.
There are philosophical constants Jackson seemed ignorant of.
Most particularly depicted by the confrontation between the witch king as a nazgul and Gandalf as the White Wizard.
Every philosophy agrees ligjt and life are eternally more powerful than darkness and death.
Hence when the witch king is depicted ad destroying Gandalfs Staff should have been reversed ad Gandalf destroying the witch kings dark sword.
Ligjt pierc's and reveals darkness. Life always eventually conquers death. The statement made that dark is stronger than light is an error of magnitude just as light as magnitudes of intensity and spectrum darkness could never perceive but rather be perceived. Even if perception is delayed in Middle Earth.
The point of Gandalf not to bend to specific and only will, but to guide to freedom of choice is well taken.
For even in Biblical philosophy this is often the case. Where many seek to bend interpretation to force specific and only will on others. Missing important clues to a greater freedom of liberty and choice.
Like for instance the One Man One Woman will of Marriage.
At just 12 years old reading the Old Testament I discovered Marriage by Abraham Isaac and Jacob to multiple women which led to both Mohamned and Jesus. Neither of which would have cone into existence if there was a limitation of One Man One Woman.
Then also Abraham Isaac and Jacob all had additionally Husbandmen by marriage, practiced also by David and Jonathan.
While I truly love Tolkien's Middle Earth, it is rather restricted to a force of will of One Man One Woman. That to fulfill the legacy of Gandalf and Elrond and Galadriel and ALL FREE PEOPLE, these other forms of free will marriage would be better included❤🎇☀️☪ 🌟
Thank you for sharing such a deeply reflective comment on the philosophical and thematic depths of Tolkien’s works. It’s fascinating how you’ve connected Gandalf’s role, the inherent power of light over darkness, and even biblical philosophy to highlight the broader message of free will and liberty.
Indeed, Tolkien’s writings often explore the delicate balance between guiding others toward freedom and respecting their individual choices. Your point about Gandalf’s purpose being not to impose his will but to encourage and protect the freedom of Middle-earth’s people resonates strongly with Tolkien’s vision.
Your reflections on marriage and its representation in different traditions and how they could inform a richer narrative perspective are equally thoughtful. Tolkien’s world, rooted in the myths and values he cherished, offers a lens into his interpretation of harmony and unity, but it’s compelling to see how readers like you imagine broadening these ideas.
Thank you for your thoughtful and nuanced engagement-it adds another layer of meaning to how we can appreciate and interpret Tolkien’s Middle-earth!
Rather like Jesus Christ (upon whom he is no doubt partly based) he has enormous potential power but doesn’t use it.
I’m barely an amateur when it comes to Christian theology, but I think youve hit on something really fascinating here, @neilloveman5646. Gandalf’s restraint and his choice not to wield his full power does feel reminiscent of Christ’s humility and self-control. The idea of having immense potential power and deliberately choosing not to use it out of love, wisdom, or maybe a greater purpose is such a powerful theme, both in Tolkien’s world and in the Gospels.
It’s also worth noting that Tolkien, being a devout Catholic, might have intentionally woven some of those Christ-like traits into characters like Gandalf. it does add such depth to Gandalf’s character, doesn’t it?
Thanks for sharing such a thought-provoking insight, it’s always a pleasure to explore these layers with fellow fans. Cheers!
Gandalf was restricted by the Valar not by his own will
Thank you for pointing that out! You’re absolutely correct.Gandalf’s restraint wasn’t entirely his own choice but was a condition imposed by the Valar. As one of the Istari, he was sent to Middle-earth with a specific mission: to guide, inspire, and empower the Free Peopless in their resistance against Sauron, not to dominate or overwhelm through sheer force. This restriction was integral to his role, as it ensured his influence came through wisdom and encouragement rather than through overt displays of power.
This limitation speaks volumes about the values Tolkien imbued into his world-the idea that true leadership lies in inspiring others to rise, not in overshadowing them. Gandalf’s restraint wasn’t a weakness; it was a testament to his wisdom and understanding of his purpose. Even when faced with immense challenges, like his battle with the Balrog or his efforts to counter Saruman’s machinations, he operated within these constraints, relying on courage, guidance, and collaboration.
Thank you for emphasizing this critical aspect of Gandalf’s character and mission-it’s a powerful reminder of the thematic depth Tolkien wove into his stories!
@@inmiddleearth even in the battle with the necromancer and balrog, he only used his worldly Istari magic + possibly a tiny push with the ring of fire. If Gandalf had no restrictions those battles would have been more destructive to the environment and with a seemingly more equal display of power. Sauron would have a slight upper hand against Gandalf due to having no restrictions, but would still not have access to his full Maiar powers because #1, Sauron's spirit was anchored to the world #2 he has been defeated so many times his power has diminished every time #2 he didn't have the one ring
Gandalf the Midjourney + ChatGPT
LOL. Gandalf the Midjourney + ChatGPT, the ultimate collab! I guess thatmeans his next great task will be teaching the Balrog prompt engineering. Sarcasm noted, and appreciated…cheers for the laugh!
In Hobbit why did Gandalf go on foot to follow tracks of Beorn?
He could've transformed a feather with a spell to follow the tracks and find Beorn and return with the information! Gandalf was a Wizard not a Ranger!
Ah, mate, that’s a cracking idea about the feather spell, very creative! But when you look at Gandalf’s character in Tolkien’s writings, he wasn’t really about whipping out spells for every little thing. The old wizard was more about getting stuck in, using his wisdom and influence to guide others rather than relying on flashy magic.
Him tracking Beorn on foot fits with his style, hands-on, personal, and not one to overshadow the free will of others. Plus, Tolkien’s magic in Middle-earth is more subtle, tied to purpose and restraint. A feather spell would’ve been clever, no doubt, but it’s not quite Gandalf’s way, is it? Still, love the outside-the-box thinking! Cheers for sharing that.
We do see some hints of Gandalfs magic such as with bliwing smoke in shapes and colors, or adding magic to fireworks so flowers stay in sky for hours, or making himself giant sized and in the worlds of fantasy why not allow Gandalf to be more prolific❤@inmiddleearth
You mean to tell me he committed suicide fighting the Balrog?
Hi @Kraziel797,
That’s an intense interpretation! While Gandalf’s fight with the Balrog was undoubtedly a sacrifice, it wasn’t one born of despair or recklessness but of duty and purpose. He faced the Balrog to protect the Fellowship and ensure their mission continued. In Tolkien’s world, Gandalf’s actions symbolize courage and selflessness, even when the cost is high. It’s less about “giving up” and more about rising to the ultimate challenge for the sake of others. Thanks for sparking such an intriguing angle of discussion!
This Wizard has no power ... only to watch learn and return
There’s wisdom in that approach-sometimes the greatest strength is found in quiet observation and the humility to learn. Your words echo the very essence of what Gandalf himself might have said. Thank you for this poetic contribution!
Did Gandalf still wield Glamdring after becoming Gandalf The White?
Great question @erikasp205. Yes, Gandalf continued to wield Glamdring after becoming Gandalf the White. The sword, which he first claimed in ‘The Hobbit,’ remained with him throughout his transformation. Glamdring wasn’t just a weapon; it was a symbol of his role as both a protector and a force against evil. Even after his return as Gandalf the White, it served him well, particularly in battles like the Siege of Minas Tirith. Thanks for bringing this up,it’s always fascinating to delve into the continuity of his character!
Why does everyone get pointed ears ffs ?
Haha, fair point, mate! Note to self: ease up on the pointy ears.
Cheers for the laugh! 😂
tldw: he coudnt use his powers because he got told not to. for 15 minutes strait.
While it might seem like the Valar gave Gandalf a ‘no magic unless absolutely necessary’ handbook, it’s a bit more nuanced than that. The ‘15 minutes’ were a deep dive into why he chose restraint-because being a guiding hand rather than a dominating force was central to his mission in Middle-earth. But hey, if cliff notes are your style, thanks for watching and sticking around for all 15 minutes!
…”to inspire the people to save themselves.” So, Gandalf was basically a Peace Corps Volunteer. It was a constant struggle for me in Paraguay to resist just throwing money at every problem, or taking control of every project myself. I could have done, and many PCVs do, but I think my quiet leadership will have longer lasting effects, now that I’m no longer there. It was frustrating sometimes, but I imagine that’s how Gandalf must have felt.
Hi @domilontano, This is such a beautiful and insightful reflection-Gandalf as a symbol of quiet leadership is spot on. Tolkien often portrayed Gandalf as guiding and empowering others rather than taking control, much like your experience with the Peace Corps. It’s a hard road, but as you say, those long-lasting effects are worth it. What a great connection!
A good video, but I think you're overstating Gandalf's (or any maia, for that matter) power. If a maia could end a war with the wave of his hand, Sauron would never have been defeated by the Numenoreans... Twice! Thrice if you include his fall to the Last Alliance.
You make anexcellent point here, and I appreciate the thoughtful analysis. Gandalf, like all Maia, operated within distinct limitations. While he possessed immense potential power, his role as one of the Istari required him to exercise restraint, as dictated by the Valar. The Istari were sent to Middle-earth to guide and counsel its free peoples, not to dominate or overpower. Their mission was built on wisdom and subtle influence, not grand displays of power, even if the latter might have bee possible.
Your observation about Sauron’s defeats by the Númenóreans and his eventual fall to the Last Alliance perfectly illustrates the point that sheer powerdoesn’t equate to invincibility. Even Sauron, who was a mighty Maia and deeply invested in enhancing his strength through dark sorcery and the One Ring, was brought low through the united efforts of mortals and elves. It underscores Tolkien’s theme that cooperation, courage, and unity can triumph over seemingly insurmountable odds.
The Istari, Gandalf in particular, followed this philosophy to a T. When Gandalf did intervene directly, such as in Dol Guldur or the battle with the Balrog, it was because no other option remained. Still, even in those cases, he was careful to act within his mission’s boundaries. His wisdom lay in inspiring others to rise to the occasion-whether that was Aragorn accepting his destiny, Frodo bearing the Ring, or the Fellowship rallying against Sauron’s forces.
The narrative clearly emphasizes that even the most powerful beings-be they Valar, Maia, or otherwise-are not omnipotent or free of limitations. As you said, categories of being only tell part of the story. Power ebbs, flows, and evolves in Tolkien’s legendarium, shaped by choices, experiences, and moral alignment. Sauron’s focus on domination and control eroded his essence over time, whereas Gandalf’s approach of fostering others’ growth made his impact more enduring and far-reaching.
Ultimately, Gandalf’s restraint wasn’t a weakness but a deliberate strategy. His strength lay not only in what he could do but in what he chose not to do, which preserved the balance of Middle-earth and allowed its free peoples to claim their victories. Thanks again for bringing such a nuanced perspective to the discussion-your comment enriches the conversation!
Like a cat fears a mouse.
Ha! Love the wit here, mate. That line definitely paints a picture! Cheers for the chuckleit’s comments like this that keep things lively.
Did Tolkien ever explain why there are no female ‘wizards’?
That’s a fascinating question! Tolkien never directly addressed why the five Istari (wizards) sent to Middle-earth were all male in their human forms. However, the Istari were originally Maiar spirits, who are divine beings and not inherently tied to gender as mortals understand it. Their male forms were likely chosen by the Valar for practical reasons tied to the societies of Middle-earth at the time, where male figures often held positions of authority and influence.
It’s worth noting that Tolkien’s legendarium does feature powerful female figures, such as Galadriel, a Noldorin Elf of immense wisdom and strength, and Melian, a Maia who guided her kingdom with grace and power. These examples show that Tolkien didn’t limit his depiction of strength or influence to male characters, even if the Istari specifically were all male.
❌❌STOP making those Pauses in the flow of narrative 🙏🏻 it’s maddening 😫👎👎👎
Oh no, not the dreaded pauses! I'll send them to Mordor immediately. Thanks for the feedback-I'll work on keeping the flow smoother next time. Hope you give us another chance!
Humans.
Always worried about levels of power. Rather than worry about intent, and original purpose.
Everything is a football game now adays among the vulgar crowd.
An interesting observation,and one that Tolkien himselfmight agree with in some ways. The Istari, Gandalf especially, were far less concerned with sheer displays of power and more with ensuring that those they guided could rise to their potential. Your comment captures the heart of Tolkien’s themes: intent, purpose, and the perils of reducing nuanced struggles to mere contests of strength. A thoughtful perspective-thank you for sharing!
Beautiful. Wonderful. Extremely intuitive and insightful.
But please stop using ELVEN EARS on him!!!!
Thanks so much for the kind words and thoughtful feedback! I can see you’re passionate about staying true to Tolkien’s vision, fair point about the ears! I’ll keep it in mind for future designs. Cheers for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Tolkien created the book. YT speculate to create content
Fair point! Tolkien did craft the masterpiece, no argument there. The world he created is so rich and layered that it practically begs for exploration. You could say it’s like an endless treasure chest where every detail has a story of its own. So while TH-cam creators do add a bit of their own flair and speculation (guilty as charged), it’s often in celebration of Tolkien’s genius-connecting dots, posing ‘what-ifs,’ and digging deeper into the lore. It’s what keeps the conversation alive and vibrant decades later, don’t you think? A bit like pulling up a chair at The Prancing Pony and sharing stories over a pint!
@@inmiddleearth Thanks for the answer! :) Indeed I can see your way of digging as a nice way to explore, unlike "adaptations" which happen to create a movie. (e.g. the latest Dune adaptation feels painful to me.)
I disagree I don't think gandalf wielded that power. He was visibly tired and taxed after performing some of his spells
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, @drewn5271! You make a great point-Gandalf definitely looked drained after casting some of his spells. His physical form in Middle-earth was designed to be limiited, which is why he couldn’t unleash the full extent of his Maia power without consequences. At least that's what, I think.
Speaks volumes on how Tolkien creates character layers. Appreciate you chiming in-love hearing different takes like this! 😊
Despite all the rich tapestries of alternate reality Lore's, languages, peoples and creatures, traditions and behaviors.
Tolkien was nor able to omit a Christian Interpreted prejudice about marriage regardless of Elves or Dwarves or Men or Hobbits.
It's the One Male One Female prejudice of marriage.
I was only 12 after discovering a shocking Christian interpretation that led me to read the entire Bible for myself.
It didn't take long starting in Genesis to discover Abraham Isaac and Jacob had multiples of wives ACCEPTABLE BEFORE GOD which led to Mohamned and Jesus existing as result of plural marriage of females.
Yet right there on the pages was another form of marital commitment. In Old Testament terms named Manservants(to serve each other ewually) or in New Testament named Husbandmen. Abraham Isaac and Jacob practicing marital association with multiple MEN!!!
It is most glaring between David and Jonathan who entered a marital type of commitment that allowed them to love each other beyond women! Acceptable before God under commitment before God.
That wasn't all, in the New Testament I discovered THREE HEAVENS after death. A Star Heaven, a Moon Heaven and a Sun Heaven. Different levels of Heaven to be ressurected to after death.
Point is at just 12 years old I ended up leaving the Christian religions to believe in a Christ and God of far more encompassing lore.
Hence it is hard not to miss after allllllllllllll Tolkien created to still allow a prejudice and ignorance of practice of marriage or marital or conjugal association to still seep into allllllllllll that.
Even disregarding pagan Norse and Celtic practices of multiple partners, females and males!
Soooooo it is a definite Tolkien Prejudice! That the Freedoms expressed in all the Lores may also extend to conjugal and marital associations.
Just saying❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
What a fascinating set of ideas. I’ll definitely give it a think through.
This is like half fanfiction tbh
That’s a fair observation! Tolkien’s world has such depth and richness thatsometimes exploring it can feel like stepping ito the realm of creative storytelling. While the goal of the video is to stay grounded in Tolkien’s writings and the broader lore he established, I think part of the magic lies in how his work invites us to imagine, speculate, and connect the dots.
Middle-earth is a world built with layers of history, myth, and meaning, so presenting it sometimes involves painting a vivid picture that brings those layers to life. If it feels like half fanfiction at times, it’s probably because Tolkien’s world has inspired countless fans to dream, create, and expand on his legacy-including me!
I’d love to hear what you think-does this approach to the lore resonate with you, or do you prefer a stricter adherence to the texts?
@ you need to be explicit when doing that. Otherwise someone who does know the details gets put off when hearing inconsistencies.
There are some other LOTR channels I like and they do theorycraft type posts but always call out when they are venturing off on to their own.
Even better is stating what is “fact” first and then going into why you think xyz also could or would have happened :)
All really interesting and completely made up BS. Any cursory reading of the books completely disagrees with you. Gandalfs power was in kindling the hearts of men. He wasnt a Vala who coukd wave his hands and fix everything.
Thank you for your candid feedbac! You’re absolutely right that Gandalf’s true power lay in hisability to inspire and rally the hearts of others, rather than performing grand displays of supernatural might. As one of the Istari, his mission was to guide and unite the Free Peoples, not to impose his will by force. It’s a fascinating balance Tolkien crafted-immense potential restrained by moral purpose and divine mandate. I appreciate you highlighting this core aspect of his role. Your comment reminds me why Tolkien’s work sparks such engaging conversations!
Gandalf always had a look on face at certain times as if he knew more than he spoke saw more than he made out, his knowledge of the mines and elven lands was definitely crucial for his mission and definitely makes sense after reading Tolkien's books 📚 amazing work 💪🙏