It's always funny to me how it doesn't register in some people's heads that the amount of healing you get is entirely dependent on the other team's damage output
Generally how often the supports have the ability to heal is taken out of the equation. If someone's diving them, teammates are feeding, enemy isn't doing much, nobody's in your LoS, other support is popping off, etc. It can be a bit frustrating.
I also love when people will get annoyed at Lucio for low heals, when the main point of Lucio is the speed boost and boop. It's like comparing Soldier and Tracer's damage output, Tracer's will always be lower but that doesn't mean the Tracer isn't doing worse
Overwatch is about quality over quantity. Sadly a lot of people don’t realize that so when they see number go bigger they think it’s better. But a lot of the time it’s wasted like shooting a tank, only getting a couple kills between fights but not during, etc. it’s the timing of the fight that matters
@@bellarue6738I honestly don’t think most of them think bigger numbers are better. I believe they just want someone to blame and the low stats are easy targets.
They let the Mercy die every team fight and she had two flying dps to pocket. Mercy was not the problem. That Ana must have had a bad day to lash out like that
Sometimes that happens. You get frustrated, start playing worse which makes you even more frustrated, you start to make more mistakes and blame your teammates, and the game goes progressively less in your favor.
I'm a plat player and would be DELIGHTED to have a Doom this good on my team. He gets picks, builds ult quickly, doesn't feed, uses block to get out. Nothing to complain about there.
What I will say though as a player who also plays doom constantly is that he tends to shoot the tank a lot which is fine when there isn’t an opportunity for you to go in, but it’s better to ignore them and go straight for the back line and then head back out if it doesn’t work out, then go back in when ready. So situations such as when he was shooting the Orisa could’ve been used on getting into the back line where it will force enemies to play into you and force them back. Then you could escape and basically you just created space by forcing pressure on supports or dps I also want to point out that there needs to be more quicker cancels between slam and punch just so it makes it harder for enemies to read your movements and react accordingly, but that will come with time. Overall, not bad.
@@VYNYL_Musicit’s a balance there, the dps need to provide enough pressure on the tank so the supports can focus on the doom (or any dive tank). Especially in a dive vs dive it’s a matter of positioning and keeping supports up to get those picks
Idk u guys ranks so dont flame me if im lower ELO than u and giving advice but im a masters doom OTP for the most part, I have around a 65 to 70% winrate but i dont play much so im not climbing and getting much better. 1) Doomfist is a very solo tank, you do NOT need to pump heals into him to be effective as he can generate sheilds, has high movement, and a block to reduce damage. 2) I typically poke the tank abit from mid range if I dont see a good dive opportunity, simply to maintain pressure. 3) Before you go in for a punch you should ask yourself “can I punch them into a wall?” if no, then dont take the risk and maybe just slam in then punch out for ult charge and over sheilds (even empowered punch is weak without a wall behind someone so dont go for it). 4) Ult is good for follow up on a good dive engagement as it slows enemies, gives a ton of overhealth and deals enough damage for an empowered punch to be a death sentence, I dont use it much for escape but its fully valid and depends on the enemy team comp (AOE heals with good escape options like bap and kiriko make it a better option as an escape or disruption tool from my experience). 5) Melee is the most powerful part of your kit, if u see a low ho enemy ( around 60hp or so) dont be afraid to melee them 2 or 3 times as its easier than hitting your gun and people tend to prioritise survival and escape rather than winning a 1v1 vs a tank so they strafe alot and try to run. 6) Use primary fire between every ability as long as its safe to do so since it auto reloads and can widdle down enemies and makes them laughably easy to kill unless they get healed mid dive. 7) Practice getting headshots since doom damage is pretty weak without it. Now for my personal playstyle I hate the “go in then out then in then out” gameplay cause it feels like my team and the enemy team are playing hot potato with me, instead i either dive then lurk in the back to distract them (like a flanking tracer or moira or sombra making you turn around alot), and if they start to ignore me I dive them and its almost always a free kill. Also rollout doomfist isnt horrible if you can manage an escape after securing some damage or a pick, otherwise its a throw. TLDR: most important thing is to build over shield and make sure all your offensive punches are against a wall or else its useless. P.S body blocking with doomfist is very effective when you can just get behind an overextending tank and stand there.
@@Fuphu don’t worry about it, you were totally fine, just a couple things to note as previously posted and you should be good while climbing. Good stuff mate
I think the issue from the Ana's perspective is that there are 4 teammates that are going to be all over the map and she doesn't feel like she can heal everyone because you got a pharah, genji, doomfist and a mercy. And any given time she probably has LOS of 1 person, so they think the mercy should be getting more heals than them and keeping all these flankers alive when they are out of LOS. Obviously the Ana can swap or get better positioned, but this is gold and I don't expect that from a gold player. Also for much of the game the Orisa is just blowing straight into the backline and the only person who can't escape is the Ana, so it makes it even more frustrating for that person.
A. They should have swapped B. They should have just remained focus on the players they could heal. It is not Ana's responsibility to go trying to heal people who are engaging the enemy in different locations. The Doom is playing the frontline. If anything, she should have just been focused on him, especially since she wasn't being focused behind him.
@@Fools_RequiemAlso C. position on a high ground or way back from the team since only Sym could dive in the enemy team and she can save sleep dart for the Sym. But then again, Gold Anas are not ML7.
5:17 They blocked too late here. With the 80% damage reduction there was enough health to survive the Bomb with the Overhealth. But the Reaper got a shot in before Doom blocked, which dropped his health to low enough where Bomb would kill. It's still pretty stupid though, as couching behind the cart would've avoided the damage, and sacking 200HP (at least) for a charged punch was not worth it in this situation.
I think this game has "scapegoat" characters, generally either main heals or aggressive diving heroes tend to get the brunt of the criticisms, deserved or not.
You know, In a few years I'll look back and think, Man, when emongg uploaded SpectatingAugust19th I never thought I could have my eyes opened so wide. Truly emongg is a master of humor, bingo, Mystery heroes and all things Overwatch
This doomfist seemed very good, I hate going against a good doomfist and I can tell if I had this guy as my enemy tank i'd be scrambling not knowing what to do, I hope this person does climb out of gold I think they deserve higher
*unless they're my stats and they're good, in which case, I'm literally carrying LISTEN, I'm not a perfect man, I take my ego boosts when I can get them 😂
most heroes' in-game dialogue when Mercy damage boosts them: thank you! ☺️ doomfish: as though i needed it 😤 (note: I'm only referring to what the characters themselves say, not what players might say.)
I have on ashe the voiceline of 'that's what you get the girl who had everything' for when a mercy latches onto to me. I have had a game where I got basically the perma pocket treatment on ashe from a mercy. Every time I got a pick she said 'Zuper'' (superb in german), every time I misses like allot of bullets in a row she would say 'you know, sometimes im not sure why I even bother' and when I got logged by a hanzo she would say 'you know, I'm not a miracle worker' it was funny as hell. We played a couple of games together. At some point she typed in chat to slow down on the HS and kills when i bobbed cous she couldn't keep up with the voiceline wheel lol.
I think there is a difference between “overextending” and “overstaying your welcome”. I think his engagement range was good, very rarely overextending by Doom standards. But like when he tried to re-engage with less than 200hp, he’s overstaying. At that point he needs to retreat and get healed or go for a health pack.
As a perpetual gold player the Ana is the only player I would have any serious complaints about, because that was not generally a team comp where Ana was going to have a good time, especially with gold level aim. It seemed like she was often dying quite early in lost fights because she was the only actual target for most of the enemy team to shoot at. Picking a support with a bit more mobility (Kiriko in particular) would have been what I would have done/wanted in a comp like that.
@ryan_uwu7709 provided the doom in LOS at some point sure. My primary focus is not bailing tanks out when they fly across the map around 3 corners ect.
Kiriko main here, While she does have a lot of mobility, her healing output isn't enough to keep a doomfist alive. While she's good for a dive dps, like Echo, Junkrat, Genji, etc etc ... a dive tank would have to stand around awkwardly waiting to have full hp from her (it's an amusingly awkward scenario) which is fine in qp, but more of an inconvenience in ranked. If you wanted both Mobility and enough healing output to sustain a Doomfist, Baptiste would probably be a better character to pick than Kiriko. But if Ana keeps high ground she can also sustain a doomfist.
When I heard "gold doomfist" I expected him to feed hard, but he isn't and surprisingly effective at keeping enemies back without diving them. And when he does dive, its usually not a feed.... Usually...
as a high gold support myself i see absolutely nothing wrong with the way that doom and mercy played this game. tbh, i would LOVE to have a doom this good in any of my games; he rarely overextended and even if he did he almost always realised it right away and tried to get out, he didn't go for the risky plays into the enemy backline that would leave his team vulnerable to an aggressive orisa, he paid close attention to his hp and cds and made sure to get back in easy range of heals when he got low... i honestly legitimately think this doom can get to diamond no problem, maybe even masters with a bit more practice in ranked. that ana must have been tilted from a previous game or something bc there was absolutely nothing worth getting upset about.
I know why his team was complaining, because it was competitive and people love to point fingers the second they face any adversity. That Anna looked at her healing numbers and said "It can't be ME. I'm healing A LOT! It has to be one of my teammates who is screwing us over." Mercy's numbers aren't as high as mine. PROBLEM. Our tank is playing Doomfist, HUGE PROBLEM. Why is he not playing a META tank!?!?! And then the flame war begins. This is why I don't play competitive. I only play Quickplay. I have hundreds of hours in QP, only a few in CP. I basically, played enough to get one gold weapon and I had enough. Not that QP is a safe haven from the unhinged playerbase, but at least they can't complain about losing "rank". Although, technically QP has it's own "rank" I would imagine. The numbers do not represent the quality of your play. PERIOD.
agree with most of your points, except the last one. Numbers arnt the whole story, but they absolutely represent the quality of your play. if i see at the end of the game everyone on the team has like 5 or 6 deaths except for the one soldier with a score of 10/x/13, that tells me all i need to know about him
how I manage to play ranked without being faced with toxicity: mute all chat, focus on myself. it can be done if you choose to curate a healthy ranked experience for yourself.
This is very true. Its something many players do. Its easy to fall into. Good advice, when you feel yourself blaming others, focus on what you can change to get better results
This is probably one of the best tanks I've seen. I'm plat 5 tank on console and cringe when I see other tank players feed like crazy in Silver as support.
As a plat support I've never seen a Doomfist this good. Him being in gold seems very sus, either they're smurfing, haven't played enough ranked games yet, or just had the biggest pop off game ever.
Like Emongg said in the video, he only had 12 hours in comp all time. Since games range between 15-30 minutes, they maybe have 24-36 games total, so they probably haven't played enough to find their true rank
@@Boredness90 I think the opinion of a like-ranked peer is valuable. It's good and healthy growth to recognize when a teammate is performing their role better in your own rank so you know how to support/follow up more confidently. More game sense = more confidence in decision making = more awareness of where to develop skills to (hopefully) rank up easier. Otherwise you just angry ego shitters who think they do no wrong yet give no value, but of course believe "my teammates are the reason i can't hit (insert rank)" and take zero effort to see their own mistakes.
11:29 😂 as someone who plays no doomfist i watched that entire def thinking how is this only gold? Hes amazing.... OR am i just that bad on doomfist 😂 glad you said the same
No, ive played with this dude before and he refuses to swap no matter how bad we start losing then had the audacity to blame me, but now thats hes on emongs channel he wants to act like hes not the toxic one lmao
people complain if they don't perfectly shut down the other team or perfectly roll them. if you lose, even if its close, there will always be complaints and finger pointing
As a gold / plat tank myself this is the kind of tank play for most tanks in those ranks. You can see they don't make a lot of mistakes but there's no playmaking all the time
people just love to blame someone else in this game even when everyone on both teams are doing good at their jobs..in gold they see mercy low heals and think that means they're performing badly when thats literally where she should be at if there is an ana, who pumps heals in to a tank, especially when she has pharah and echo to look after. but people don't see it objectively or have the knowledge in this rank of how things work beyond big numbers = good. the doom definitely has diamond potential but it takes a team. I wish more people understood its a team game, one team has to lose, it doesn't mean they suck, its just...how it is, especially the higher you climb. I see more people being respectful of enemies plays that way the more aware you become of surroundings
As a support player and specifically a Mercy Main, I understand the pain of being yelled at for "not healing enough" compared to our second support. People just fail to take into account the fact that so many factors play into how much healing you have at the end of the game. That being how much healing the second support is doing, whether teammates are straight up feeding, if you're being los'd constantly, if the enemy team is even doing enough damage to add up to a high healing output etc. People just need someone to blame and unfortunately they will just always pick the person with the lowest numbers without considering why their numbers might logically be low outside of just "ur bad omegalul"
13:52 Their team is just not dying. So the DPS is lacking. The other team does get a pick here or there though. That’s why they’re mad. They probably feel like if they had a “real” tank, they’d be able to secure elims more than with a Doomfist tank that doesn’t get elims on their own.
The ana should’ve swapped, or took highground more often. Not even because they were playing bad, but with such a dive-heavy comp, a gold ana is gonna have a hard time actually healing and surviving on her own. I feel bap would’ve been better, but that’s just me The doom and mercy certainly weren’t the issue. Bad plays occasionally, sure (that dva bomb was kind of a wtf moment ngl) but that happens and overall they played well
I have some perspective On this as somebody who often plays doom in gold when i'm tank. People in the metal ranks hate doomfist as a tank and wish he wasn't a tank still. They collectively think that doom fist is the worst tank and will never work in a fight. It doesn't even matter how well the doom fist is Doing people just hate to have a doom fist on their team for no particular reason.
Same with ball and hog, low elo players are such big meta slaves that they don’t realize people can be good at “non meta” characters (ex, doom, ball, lw, genji)
7:31 The teammates were getting angry because this is a Gold lobby, and it’s harder for Gold teams to get value from having a Doomfist tank. He’s playing fine, but they want a tank that acts as a buffer between them & the enemy team. Doomfist is more like a disruptive harbinger of chaos, like Ball, so he isn’t always standing there like a wall protecting you. So Doomfist & Ball players in Gold lobbies can just stress out your team since they’re going to miss the comfort of the tank always being there for them to hide behind.
I guess I’m saying that a DF tank puts more pressure on the rest of the team to play better. Something like a Rein gives them more room to make mistakes, and it’s just less stressful to play with that.
its still weird to me that some of dooms abilities and shield bash on brig dont do any kind of CC like in OW1, it just looks weird seeing an enemy take some abilities that used to do CC or logically should create some reaction not move at all and just keep doing what they are doing
17:40 Wish I could say the same about my widow, I’m always so inconsistent with them. At one moment I miss every shot, the next, I’m getting play of the game….
As a Master tank playing a lot of doomfist, I can say that he has the same problem as the lower ranks players. On defense, his playstyle was pretty good I will admit, nothing to say there. On attack though, his attention was mostly on the Orisa, one of doom biggest threat. I'm not saying that he should not try to kill the Orisa, but picking the aggro of the support/DPS on the other team should have been the play. Orisa will have less tankiness on her, forcing her to give up her space to go back to her team or try to catch up to the doomfist. Overall, I will say that this player was pretty good for a gold player and his team was good also, I'm pretty sure he can climb
the ana started a fight because he got his ego bruised and didn't want to admit he was wrong. the mercy had no healing bc they were dead at the start of every team fight, which sometimes was their fault for being out of position but sometimes was bc the dps weren't protecting her.
This Doom is absolutely amazing. Mistakes here and there but thats fairly expected especially with someone newer to ranked play. Hes going to climb pretty high
As a solo queue Doom main, if I had a nickel for everytime someone said "Doom switch" in a ranked game I'd have so much money you'd think I'd have won the lottery.
It would be an honor to play with this doomfist. The only thing I would get tilted about (im just an angry player sometimes though) is his refusal to switch when facing orisa. Ive seen too many people fall (especially dooms) against orisas to refuse to counterpick😅 Great doomfist though, the dva remech cancel was beautiful, I have yet to see a doom do that in my games😂
I would love to have this doomfist in my games. The ones I get constantly overextend and have no concept of line of sight. They will dive in with 150 HP into the enemy backline and then die and cry no heals when they don’t even make an attempt to stay alive.
I am diamond 5 with doomfist only and this doom plays very similar to me so he could definitely rank up with more consistent teammates and if he missed less punches
They probably would have won quicker if he switched off doom once they started counterpicking, and should have realistically lost, but that doom was very good for a gold and managed to create enough pressure for him and his team to get the picks anyway
@@Waffl3B1TI don't usually get many Doomfist in Diamond tbh and I play off healer so what Doomfist is doing isn't usually my concern unless he is constantly coming back from spawn.
14:14 I think instead of backing up for the nano’d Orisa he should have dove their team. Hit them all with a slam, pick a squishy & preferably a support, then hit them with the shoot-punch-shoot x2 combo, which would secure an elim. 14:41 And there he goes doing what I said he should do. Nice. See? I know what I know.
Me and my brother play support duo sometimes. I’ll play Anna and he’ll play mercy for some comps. If we have a doom, it is absolutely not the mercy’s job to dive with the doom if he’s pocketing a flying character or a ranged dps. His main prerogative is to keep the dps boosted and alive and to keep me alive. I sit there and shoot the doom in the butt the entire time he’s in deep. Once he’s back, we both top him off, too the team off and go back in.
I feel like a lot of the angst comes from both the Ana and Mercy pocketing the same person. Which leads to inflated stats. Also something I noticed: that Ana is playing like she's a Reinhardt, no wonder she's tilting. Doom played really well though, really refreshing to see someone keep it up against Orissa and still succeed.
That looked like a really good match to me. The Doom has the basic mechanics down and was putting in the work. I'd like to have him on my team. But by the sounds of it, it would appear that the Ana was taking bad positioning for that otherwise, highly mobile team comp.
you did a really good job! :) granted, I'm a support player, so any time I see a tank who knows when to fall back, I cry a single tear of joy 😅 so maybe I'm not the most objective judge, but no, for real, you have a really good sense of what your job is and how to cycle your abilities. yeah, you did some goofy things here and there, but that happens sometimes. you have a good foundation, now all you need to do is keep going and practicing and you'll do well! :)
@@WIZZY1025 welcome to the game!! :D it can be a hellscape but it's the only fps that I've ever cared about and I love it so I hope you love it too and have as much fun as I do :D
16:30 also curious what region this guy is playing in. Cause i 100% know that name from my quickplay/arcade games. IF it really is the guy i am thinking of than yeah, he ain't staying Gold, no way.
most of the time when you play doom, if you cant perform in the first seconds everybody thinks you are throwing and flame you early on. i often get that too then ill switch to my second main(orisa) which is easier to consistently perform well and then switch back.
The only thing I really see is that doom went more for the dps and tank, rather than targeting the supports. Target choices make a huge difference. You can see times where the team got bastion/orisa down to one shot, but got healed immediately because they left the supports alone
Anna sounds like those players that expect EVERY Doom to just solo entire teams with ease and if they dont they are bad. seen so many players like that
Ofc this doom was playing very well, barely missed anything and he deserves a hiegher rank. But,, tbh he almost had all his blocks charged, this is a game changer for doom, when not a single enemy stops shooting when you block doom becomes so powerful
@@Fuphu The javelin damage counts in charging the empowered punch??? I never knew but even so a good orisa will throw it once you block so you don't get a chance to charge anything before it
@@Ahmad_Jihad True, but if the doomfist is also good they can get abit of damage ahead of time to charge it, at that point it depends on the orisa's teammates and if t hey're doo doo dumb or not (i'd save it for when doom dives since its on a low cooldown)
There is no understanding the arguments that happen in metal ranks. Even in Plat, people will blame each other for why they're having a bad time, whether your team is winning or losing.
That’s cool I finished the video and while that is true, there were some critical ones you did miss that could have turned the fight. I’m not knocking your ability on mercy because on attack I saw you switch off of the pocket a lot more to support the tank. I’m just saying watch out for pocketing “stud scrubs” I call them, or dps who should pocket well with mercy and give you “productive” results. We need pockets to carry. But again they were on bastion so I can’t blame you, your movement was pretty good though if that’s really you
@@jonathankigozi3373 it is me thank you. the bastion was the one complaining cause they were out of position to even be healed a lot of the game. i remember this game clearly lol. the doom wasn't the problem at all. i try hard to get rezes if they are safe to do so. I'm currently in plat and climbing so. but I get the pocketing aspect. lol I'm currently in plat and climbing atm
People like that Ana are the reason I stopped playing ranked mode in most games. I used to work at two different call center jobs when I was younger, so I've pretty much used up all my patience for stupid, toxic people.
I mean as a mercy player the ana always heals the team full and I can barely heal so having 2k healing is ok but at least she is damage boosting and not putting out the pistol
Idk what that Ana was on, the Doom was really good and the Mercy was fine from what I could tell, she was using both damage and healing beam like she should.
20:52 Just wasted time with a fancy rollout. Then you don’t take the easy Ana elim, and instead go for the hard to kill, and getting healed, Orisa. Bad move.
I like these kind of games. You can tell they're not the best in the world, but they're playing well enough and aren't making an endless amount of mistakes. I don't get to see much Doom play outside of GetQuakedOn and his style is not something anyone should replicate, especially at Gold. So, it's nice to see how a gold/plat Doom plays the game and gives me an idea of how he should actually be played. I love how they had Orisa and Sym who are decent counters to Doom and he still plays well. I feel if they had flyers, he'd be fucked, but this was a solid Doom game nonetheless. Team seemed to play their parts as well.
It's always funny to me how it doesn't register in some people's heads that the amount of healing you get is entirely dependent on the other team's damage output
Generally how often the supports have the ability to heal is taken out of the equation. If someone's diving them, teammates are feeding, enemy isn't doing much, nobody's in your LoS, other support is popping off, etc. It can be a bit frustrating.
I also love when people will get annoyed at Lucio for low heals, when the main point of Lucio is the speed boost and boop.
It's like comparing Soldier and Tracer's damage output, Tracer's will always be lower but that doesn't mean the Tracer isn't doing worse
Overwatch is about quality over quantity. Sadly a lot of people don’t realize that so when they see number go bigger they think it’s better. But a lot of the time it’s wasted like shooting a tank, only getting a couple kills between fights but not during, etc. it’s the timing of the fight that matters
also there are many instances where the enemy team had worse stats than your team but still won
@@bellarue6738I honestly don’t think most of them think bigger numbers are better. I believe they just want someone to blame and the low stats are easy targets.
They let the Mercy die every team fight and she had two flying dps to pocket. Mercy was not the problem. That Ana must have had a bad day to lash out like that
Sometimes that happens. You get frustrated, start playing worse which makes you even more frustrated, you start to make more mistakes and blame your teammates, and the game goes progressively less in your favor.
I'm a plat player and would be DELIGHTED to have a Doom this good on my team. He gets picks, builds ult quickly, doesn't feed, uses block to get out. Nothing to complain about there.
Yep, but we all know what we get. A doomfist playing ranked who should be practicing on unranked.
What I will say though as a player who also plays doom constantly is that he tends to shoot the tank a lot which is fine when there isn’t an opportunity for you to go in, but it’s better to ignore them and go straight for the back line and then head back out if it doesn’t work out, then go back in when ready.
So situations such as when he was shooting the Orisa could’ve been used on getting into the back line where it will force enemies to play into you and force them back. Then you could escape and basically you just created space by forcing pressure on supports or dps
I also want to point out that there needs to be more quicker cancels between slam and punch just so it makes it harder for enemies to read your movements and react accordingly, but that will come with time. Overall, not bad.
@@VYNYL_Musicit’s a balance there, the dps need to provide enough pressure on the tank so the supports can focus on the doom (or any dive tank). Especially in a dive vs dive it’s a matter of positioning and keeping supports up to get those picks
Idk u guys ranks so dont flame me if im lower ELO than u and giving advice but im a masters doom OTP for the most part, I have around a 65 to 70% winrate but i dont play much so im not climbing and getting much better.
1) Doomfist is a very solo tank, you do NOT need to pump heals into him to be effective as he can generate sheilds, has high movement, and a block to reduce damage.
2) I typically poke the tank abit from mid range if I dont see a good dive opportunity, simply to maintain pressure.
3) Before you go in for a punch you should ask yourself “can I punch them into a wall?” if no, then dont take the risk and maybe just slam in then punch out for ult charge and over sheilds (even empowered punch is weak without a wall behind someone so dont go for it).
4) Ult is good for follow up on a good dive engagement as it slows enemies, gives a ton of overhealth and deals enough damage for an empowered punch to be a death sentence, I dont use it much for escape but its fully valid and depends on the enemy team comp (AOE heals with good escape options like bap and kiriko make it a better option as an escape or disruption tool from my experience).
5) Melee is the most powerful part of your kit, if u see a low ho enemy ( around 60hp or so) dont be afraid to melee them 2 or 3 times as its easier than hitting your gun and people tend to prioritise survival and escape rather than winning a 1v1 vs a tank so they strafe alot and try to run.
6) Use primary fire between every ability as long as its safe to do so since it auto reloads and can widdle down enemies and makes them laughably easy to kill unless they get healed mid dive.
7) Practice getting headshots since doom damage is pretty weak without it.
Now for my personal playstyle I hate the “go in then out then in then out” gameplay cause it feels like my team and the enemy team are playing hot potato with me, instead i either dive then lurk in the back to distract them (like a flanking tracer or moira or sombra making you turn around alot), and if they start to ignore me I dive them and its almost always a free kill.
Also rollout doomfist isnt horrible if you can manage an escape after securing some damage or a pick, otherwise its a throw.
TLDR: most important thing is to build over shield and make sure all your offensive punches are against a wall or else its useless.
P.S body blocking with doomfist is very effective when you can just get behind an overextending tank and stand there.
@@Fuphu don’t worry about it, you were totally fine, just a couple things to note as previously posted and you should be good while climbing. Good stuff mate
I think the issue from the Ana's perspective is that there are 4 teammates that are going to be all over the map and she doesn't feel like she can heal everyone because you got a pharah, genji, doomfist and a mercy. And any given time she probably has LOS of 1 person, so they think the mercy should be getting more heals than them and keeping all these flankers alive when they are out of LOS. Obviously the Ana can swap or get better positioned, but this is gold and I don't expect that from a gold player. Also for much of the game the Orisa is just blowing straight into the backline and the only person who can't escape is the Ana, so it makes it even more frustrating for that person.
A swap to kiriko solves a lot of her problems
A. They should have swapped
B. They should have just remained focus on the players they could heal. It is not Ana's responsibility to go trying to heal people who are engaging the enemy in different locations. The Doom is playing the frontline. If anything, she should have just been focused on him, especially since she wasn't being focused behind him.
@@Fools_RequiemAlso C. position on a high ground or way back from the team since only Sym could dive in the enemy team and she can save sleep dart for the Sym. But then again, Gold Anas are not ML7.
@@flareb99Kiri or LW may have been good too. Orisa would have a harder time getting him if he’s up above her on his petal.
Good Old SpectatingAugust19th
I saw that too hahahaha
LMAO
A real classic
5:17 They blocked too late here. With the 80% damage reduction there was enough health to survive the Bomb with the Overhealth. But the Reaper got a shot in before Doom blocked, which dropped his health to low enough where Bomb would kill.
It's still pretty stupid though, as couching behind the cart would've avoided the damage, and sacking 200HP (at least) for a charged punch was not worth it in this situation.
He is just unlucky cause he block before the explosion but his hp go at 183 just before the explosion
I think this game has "scapegoat" characters, generally either main heals or aggressive diving heroes tend to get the brunt of the criticisms, deserved or not.
You see this a lot with Ball, I feel like. Either that or holy shit comp HATES Ball players for some reason.
@@accuratememinits because balls damage is ass and unless you are gm you are bronze
You know, In a few years I'll look back and think, Man, when emongg uploaded SpectatingAugust19th I never thought I could have my eyes opened so wide. Truly emongg is a master of humor, bingo, Mystery heroes and all things Overwatch
This doomfist seemed very good, I hate going against a good doomfist and I can tell if I had this guy as my enemy tank i'd be scrambling not knowing what to do, I hope this person does climb out of gold I think they deserve higher
I was here when the title was SpectatingAugust19th
same but i didnt comment until now
Lol I just finished watching and now it's different name xD
bothers me to no end when people press tab and think that numbers instantly translate to how you're doing
*unless they're my stats and they're good, in which case, I'm literally carrying
LISTEN, I'm not a perfect man, I take my ego boosts when I can get them 😂
SpectatingAugust19th sounds fun!
here when the title was still the file name
most heroes' in-game dialogue when Mercy damage boosts them: thank you! ☺️
doomfish: as though i needed it 😤
(note: I'm only referring to what the characters themselves say, not what players might say.)
I have on ashe the voiceline of 'that's what you get the girl who had everything' for when a mercy latches onto to me.
I have had a game where I got basically the perma pocket treatment on ashe from a mercy.
Every time I got a pick she said 'Zuper'' (superb in german), every time I misses like allot of bullets in a row she would say 'you know, sometimes im not sure why I even bother' and when I got logged by a hanzo she would say 'you know, I'm not a miracle worker' it was funny as hell. We played a couple of games together.
At some point she typed in chat to slow down on the HS and kills when i bobbed cous she couldn't keep up with the voiceline wheel lol.
@@Siks7Ate9LMAO you made a friend! what a buddy
SpectatingAugust19th, such an intriguing title
I think there is a difference between “overextending” and “overstaying your welcome”. I think his engagement range was good, very rarely overextending by Doom standards. But like when he tried to re-engage with less than 200hp, he’s overstaying. At that point he needs to retreat and get healed or go for a health pack.
As a perpetual gold player the Ana is the only player I would have any serious complaints about, because that was not generally a team comp where Ana was going to have a good time, especially with gold level aim. It seemed like she was often dying quite early in lost fights because she was the only actual target for most of the enemy team to shoot at. Picking a support with a bit more mobility (Kiriko in particular) would have been what I would have done/wanted in a comp like that.
You couldnt be more wrong.
Tbh Ana can support a Doom pretty well since her heals are long range. Kiriko could get herself killed healing a Doom with her slow projectile heals
@ryan_uwu7709 provided the doom in LOS at some point sure. My primary focus is not bailing tanks out when they fly across the map around 3 corners ect.
Kiriko main here, While she does have a lot of mobility, her healing output isn't enough to keep a doomfist alive. While she's good for a dive dps, like Echo, Junkrat, Genji, etc etc ... a dive tank would have to stand around awkwardly waiting to have full hp from her (it's an amusingly awkward scenario) which is fine in qp, but more of an inconvenience in ranked. If you wanted both Mobility and enough healing output to sustain a Doomfist, Baptiste would probably be a better character to pick than Kiriko. But if Ana keeps high ground she can also sustain a doomfist.
U guys must all be Gold if u haven't thought of LW
“SpectatingAugust19th”
SpectatingAugust19th
"d o m f i s t" Emongg said confidently
When I heard "gold doomfist" I expected him to feed hard, but he isn't and surprisingly effective at keeping enemies back without diving them. And when he does dive, its usually not a feed.... Usually...
as a high gold support myself i see absolutely nothing wrong with the way that doom and mercy played this game. tbh, i would LOVE to have a doom this good in any of my games; he rarely overextended and even if he did he almost always realised it right away and tried to get out, he didn't go for the risky plays into the enemy backline that would leave his team vulnerable to an aggressive orisa, he paid close attention to his hp and cds and made sure to get back in easy range of heals when he got low... i honestly legitimately think this doom can get to diamond no problem, maybe even masters with a bit more practice in ranked. that ana must have been tilted from a previous game or something bc there was absolutely nothing worth getting upset about.
I know why his team was complaining, because it was competitive and people love to point fingers the second they face any adversity. That Anna looked at her healing numbers and said "It can't be ME. I'm healing A LOT! It has to be one of my teammates who is screwing us over." Mercy's numbers aren't as high as mine. PROBLEM. Our tank is playing Doomfist, HUGE PROBLEM. Why is he not playing a META tank!?!?! And then the flame war begins.
This is why I don't play competitive. I only play Quickplay. I have hundreds of hours in QP, only a few in CP. I basically, played enough to get one gold weapon and I had enough. Not that QP is a safe haven from the unhinged playerbase, but at least they can't complain about losing "rank". Although, technically QP has it's own "rank" I would imagine.
The numbers do not represent the quality of your play. PERIOD.
agree with most of your points, except the last one. Numbers arnt the whole story, but they absolutely represent the quality of your play. if i see at the end of the game everyone on the team has like 5 or 6 deaths except for the one soldier with a score of 10/x/13, that tells me all i need to know about him
how I manage to play ranked without being faced with toxicity: mute all chat, focus on myself. it can be done if you choose to curate a healthy ranked experience for yourself.
This is very true. Its something many players do. Its easy to fall into.
Good advice, when you feel yourself blaming others, focus on what you can change to get better results
This dude just wanted to show off his doomfist. And damn he makes me want to play some doomfist. 😮
This is probably one of the best tanks I've seen. I'm plat 5 tank on console and cringe when I see other tank players feed like crazy in Silver as support.
As a plat support I've never seen a Doomfist this good. Him being in gold seems very sus, either they're smurfing, haven't played enough ranked games yet, or just had the biggest pop off game ever.
i really dont think you can compare when you’re plat bro
Like Emongg said in the video, he only had 12 hours in comp all time. Since games range between 15-30 minutes, they maybe have 24-36 games total, so they probably haven't played enough to find their true rank
@@Boredness90 I think the opinion of a like-ranked peer is valuable. It's good and healthy growth to recognize when a teammate is performing their role better in your own rank so you know how to support/follow up more confidently. More game sense = more confidence in decision making = more awareness of where to develop skills to (hopefully) rank up easier.
Otherwise you just angry ego shitters who think they do no wrong yet give no value, but of course believe "my teammates are the reason i can't hit (insert rank)" and take zero effort to see their own mistakes.
That’s a good title
11:29 😂 as someone who plays no doomfist i watched that entire def thinking how is this only gold? Hes amazing.... OR am i just that bad on doomfist 😂 glad you said the same
No, ive played with this dude before and he refuses to swap no matter how bad we start losing then had the audacity to blame me, but now thats hes on emongs channel he wants to act like hes not the toxic one lmao
I think the Ana was just tilted, likely from a previous bad game or something.
people complain if they don't perfectly shut down the other team or perfectly roll them. if you lose, even if its close, there will always be complaints and finger pointing
No one noticed the phara at the end with 100% ult switch to torb lol
oh they did. ana was saving nano for it and then they switched. ana and I were both confused in that moment
As a gold / plat tank myself this is the kind of tank play for most tanks in those ranks. You can see they don't make a lot of mistakes but there's no playmaking all the time
I REALLY wish you could see the chats going on in replays, that’s literally where the most content is
this is the kind of game when i would like to see a recording instead of a vod review
"Trapped into a pit of rage" is an amazing mental image.
people just love to blame someone else in this game even when everyone on both teams are doing good at their jobs..in gold they see mercy low heals and think that means they're performing badly when thats literally where she should be at if there is an ana, who pumps heals in to a tank, especially when she has pharah and echo to look after. but people don't see it objectively or have the knowledge in this rank of how things work beyond big numbers = good. the doom definitely has diamond potential but it takes a team. I wish more people understood its a team game, one team has to lose, it doesn't mean they suck, its just...how it is, especially the higher you climb. I see more people being respectful of enemies plays that way the more aware you become of surroundings
As a support player and specifically a Mercy Main, I understand the pain of being yelled at for "not healing enough" compared to our second support. People just fail to take into account the fact that so many factors play into how much healing you have at the end of the game. That being how much healing the second support is doing, whether teammates are straight up feeding, if you're being los'd constantly, if the enemy team is even doing enough damage to add up to a high healing output etc. People just need someone to blame and unfortunately they will just always pick the person with the lowest numbers without considering why their numbers might logically be low outside of just "ur bad omegalul"
13:52 Their team is just not dying. So the DPS is lacking. The other team does get a pick here or there though.
That’s why they’re mad. They probably feel like if they had a “real” tank, they’d be able to secure elims more than with a Doomfist tank that doesn’t get elims on their own.
The ana should’ve swapped, or took highground more often. Not even because they were playing bad, but with such a dive-heavy comp, a gold ana is gonna have a hard time actually healing and surviving on her own. I feel bap would’ve been better, but that’s just me
The doom and mercy certainly weren’t the issue. Bad plays occasionally, sure (that dva bomb was kind of a wtf moment ngl) but that happens and overall they played well
it's always the worst people in the lobby that are the most toxic
FOR GODSAKES PEEL FOR YOUR SUPPORTS OR AT LEAST STAY NEAR COVER SO THEY CAN TAKE COVER
Yes, thank you.
I have some perspective On this as somebody who often plays doom in gold when i'm tank. People in the metal ranks hate doomfist as a tank and wish he wasn't a tank still. They collectively think that doom fist is the worst tank and will never work in a fight. It doesn't even matter how well the doom fist is Doing people just hate to have a doom fist on their team for no particular reason.
Same with ball and hog, low elo players are such big meta slaves that they don’t realize people can be good at “non meta” characters (ex, doom, ball, lw, genji)
7:31 The teammates were getting angry because this is a Gold lobby, and it’s harder for Gold teams to get value from having a Doomfist tank.
He’s playing fine, but they want a tank that acts as a buffer between them & the enemy team. Doomfist is more like a disruptive harbinger of chaos, like Ball, so he isn’t always standing there like a wall protecting you.
So Doomfist & Ball players in Gold lobbies can just stress out your team since they’re going to miss the comfort of the tank always being there for them to hide behind.
I guess I’m saying that a DF tank puts more pressure on the rest of the team to play better. Something like a Rein gives them more room to make mistakes, and it’s just less stressful to play with that.
its still weird to me that some of dooms abilities and shield bash on brig dont do any kind of CC like in OW1, it just looks weird seeing an enemy take some abilities that used to do CC or logically should create some reaction not move at all and just keep doing what they are doing
spectating august 19th xd
17:40
Wish I could say the same about my widow, I’m always so inconsistent with them. At one moment I miss every shot, the next, I’m getting play of the game….
As a Master tank playing a lot of doomfist, I can say that he has the same problem as the lower ranks players. On defense, his playstyle was pretty good I will admit, nothing to say there. On attack though, his attention was mostly on the Orisa, one of doom biggest threat. I'm not saying that he should not try to kill the Orisa, but picking the aggro of the support/DPS on the other team should have been the play. Orisa will have less tankiness on her, forcing her to give up her space to go back to her team or try to catch up to the doomfist. Overall, I will say that this player was pretty good for a gold player and his team was good also, I'm pretty sure he can climb
That was such a great video 🙌 and absolutely captivating gameplay, push for rank 1 fr 🎉🎉
Nice title emog i love spectatingAugust19 lol
Keep up the good work
the ana started a fight because he got his ego bruised and didn't want to admit he was wrong. the mercy had no healing bc they were dead at the start of every team fight, which sometimes was their fault for being out of position but sometimes was bc the dps weren't protecting her.
How do I submit my replays to you? I would like you to judge this doom play of mine and see if I did good or not.
This Doom is absolutely amazing. Mistakes here and there but thats fairly expected especially with someone newer to ranked play. Hes going to climb pretty high
As a solo queue Doom main, if I had a nickel for everytime someone said "Doom switch" in a ranked game I'd have so much money you'd think I'd have won the lottery.
It would be an honor to play with this doomfist. The only thing I would get tilted about (im just an angry player sometimes though) is his refusal to switch when facing orisa.
Ive seen too many people fall (especially dooms) against orisas to refuse to counterpick😅
Great doomfist though, the dva remech cancel was beautiful, I have yet to see a doom do that in my games😂
I would love to have this doomfist in my games. The ones I get constantly overextend and have no concept of line of sight. They will dive in with 150 HP into the enemy backline and then die and cry no heals when they don’t even make an attempt to stay alive.
I am diamond 5 with doomfist only and this doom plays very similar to me so he could definitely rank up with more consistent teammates and if he missed less punches
God when they were on offense the other teams orrisa seemed unkillable for a hot minute there she's just like the textbook definition of a tank
They probably would have won quicker if he switched off doom once they started counterpicking, and should have realistically lost, but that doom was very good for a gold and managed to create enough pressure for him and his team to get the picks anyway
I would love to have that doom on my team even in diamond. Damn.
not so sure about diamond, he only focused on the tank and bastion, probably because he stuggles to hit the squishies.
@@bigfudge2031 the ones I get in diamond don’t even do that, they fight the tank.
@@Waffl3B1TI don't usually get many Doomfist in Diamond tbh and I play off healer so what Doomfist is doing isn't usually my concern unless he is constantly coming back from spawn.
14:14 I think instead of backing up for the nano’d Orisa he should have dove their team. Hit them all with a slam, pick a squishy & preferably a support, then hit them with the shoot-punch-shoot x2 combo, which would secure an elim.
14:41 And there he goes doing what I said he should do. Nice. See? I know what I know.
The Doomfist did a much better job at dealing with the Orisa than I usually do😅
Me and my brother play support duo sometimes. I’ll play Anna and he’ll play mercy for some comps. If we have a doom, it is absolutely not the mercy’s job to dive with the doom if he’s pocketing a flying character or a ranged dps. His main prerogative is to keep the dps boosted and alive and to keep me alive. I sit there and shoot the doom in the butt the entire time he’s in deep. Once he’s back, we both top him off, too the team off and go back in.
That Doom should easily climb if they're gonna keep playing like that
Jabba the hutt approves
the healing comment @330 is spot om
this guy's team were clueless, this doom was what the other gold Dooms think they play like
I feel like a lot of the angst comes from both the Ana and Mercy pocketing the same person. Which leads to inflated stats.
Also something I noticed: that Ana is playing like she's a Reinhardt, no wonder she's tilting.
Doom played really well though, really refreshing to see someone keep it up against Orissa and still succeed.
That looked like a really good match to me. The Doom has the basic mechanics down and was putting in the work. I'd like to have him on my team. But by the sounds of it, it would appear that the Ana was taking bad positioning for that otherwise, highly mobile team comp.
hindsight is always perfect
SpectatingAugust19, I am lovin that name man.
Interesting title
Would be great to see u rate plat n diamond more, since more players wanna learn to get out of those elos
Hey emongg! Awesome video im incredibly honored to be reviewed by you man! I will take your criticism about my DOMfist and apply it 🫡
you did a really good job! :) granted, I'm a support player, so any time I see a tank who knows when to fall back, I cry a single tear of joy 😅 so maybe I'm not the most objective judge, but no, for real, you have a really good sense of what your job is and how to cycle your abilities. yeah, you did some goofy things here and there, but that happens sometimes. you have a good foundation, now all you need to do is keep going and practicing and you'll do well! :)
@@sethescope thank you so much! I am new to the game and I obviously have room to improve but I try to take as much feedback as possible.
@@WIZZY1025 welcome to the game!! :D it can be a hellscape but it's the only fps that I've ever cared about and I love it so I hope you love it too and have as much fun as I do :D
@@sethescope it's definitely a hellscape from what I experienced but I'm very passionate about the game and I wanna improve.
I never thought I would be in a vodreview, so thanks I guess. We can try and group up and redeam ourself if you are interested.
Support on Support crime 😂 Support always get hate
16:30 also curious what region this guy is playing in. Cause i 100% know that name from my quickplay/arcade games.
IF it really is the guy i am thinking of than yeah, he ain't staying Gold, no way.
Missed opportunity for bingo
The Ana def sounds like one of those players that thinks heal numbers are important. I saw a good mix of heals/dmg boost from the mercy
most of the time when you play doom, if you cant perform in the first seconds everybody thinks you are throwing and flame you early on. i often get that too then ill switch to my second main(orisa) which is easier to consistently perform well and then switch back.
The only thing I really see is that doom went more for the dps and tank, rather than targeting the supports. Target choices make a huge difference. You can see times where the team got bastion/orisa down to one shot, but got healed immediately because they left the supports alone
Yea idk if I've just been binging to much spectating bingo but this doom played pretty well
Anna sounds like those players that expect EVERY Doom to just solo entire teams with ease and if they dont they are bad. seen so many players like that
as a fellow gold player, i can confirm most dooms in my rank are not this coordinated in how they play LMAO
That was a pleasure to watch 😍
Ofc this doom was playing very well, barely missed anything and he deserves a hiegher rank.
But,, tbh he almost had all his blocks charged, this is a game changer for doom, when not a single enemy stops shooting when you block doom becomes so powerful
also the Orisa completely ignored him most of the time, instead of feeding him javelins whenever he stops to block.
@@dyamonde9555 true
@@dyamonde9555As a doom player, please keep using your javelin, it feeds me like half my punch even if it stuns me briefly.
@@Fuphu The javelin damage counts in charging the empowered punch???
I never knew but even so a good orisa will throw it once you block so you don't get a chance to charge anything before it
@@Ahmad_Jihad True, but if the doomfist is also good they can get abit of damage ahead of time to charge it, at that point it depends on the orisa's teammates and if t hey're doo doo dumb or not (i'd save it for when doom dives since its on a low cooldown)
What? *jump* huh? * jump again* oh okay * jump*
It’s not optimal but there is nothing like point blank killing another tank on Sig and then letting them gaze the toes after
There is no understanding the arguments that happen in metal ranks. Even in Plat, people will blame each other for why they're having a bad time, whether your team is winning or losing.
Doom and ball players are the hardest to heal but this doom feels like he won’t get out of los. I hope he ranks up cause he is really good
Ball makes sense though due to his huge Hp pool+mobility
@@Grebbyjidkehidinebd and the doom fist I get, keeps going in the enemy team low hp and yells in their mic cause we didn’t heal
For a gold lobby I think they're all doing a great job. Obviously could do better in a few ways but overall really good work
That dude is gonna climb!!!!!!!!
Maybe I didn’t pay attention but I didn’t see mercy rez once and that’s important in her kit especially after the “nerf”
i actually rezed alot that game thank you
That’s cool I finished the video and while that is true, there were some critical ones you did miss that could have turned the fight. I’m not knocking your ability on mercy because on attack I saw you switch off of the pocket a lot more to support the tank. I’m just saying watch out for pocketing “stud scrubs” I call them, or dps who should pocket well with mercy and give you “productive” results. We need pockets to carry. But again they were on bastion so I can’t blame you, your movement was pretty good though if that’s really you
@@jonathankigozi3373 it is me thank you. the bastion was the one complaining cause they were out of position to even be healed a lot of the game. i remember this game clearly lol. the doom wasn't the problem at all. i try hard to get rezes if they are safe to do so. I'm currently in plat and climbing so. but I get the pocketing aspect. lol I'm currently in plat and climbing atm
People like that Ana are the reason I stopped playing ranked mode in most games. I used to work at two different call center jobs when I was younger, so I've pretty much used up all my patience for stupid, toxic people.
there's a mental aspect to climbing, people in lower ranks often let themselves tilt when they don't need to. That might be part of the problem here.
I mean as a mercy player the ana always heals the team full and I can barely heal so having 2k healing is ok but at least she is damage boosting and not putting out the pistol
Idk what that Ana was on, the Doom was really good and the Mercy was fine from what I could tell, she was using both damage and healing beam like she should.
I don’t swap off doom unless I’m asked nicely cause your having a losing streak doesn’t make it my problem
He’s playing better than a gold 5
20:52 Just wasted time with a fancy rollout. Then you don’t take the easy Ana elim, and instead go for the hard to kill, and getting healed, Orisa. Bad move.
I like these kind of games. You can tell they're not the best in the world, but they're playing well enough and aren't making an endless amount of mistakes. I don't get to see much Doom play outside of GetQuakedOn and his style is not something anyone should replicate, especially at Gold. So, it's nice to see how a gold/plat Doom plays the game and gives me an idea of how he should actually be played.
I love how they had Orisa and Sym who are decent counters to Doom and he still plays well. I feel if they had flyers, he'd be fucked, but this was a solid Doom game nonetheless. Team seemed to play their parts as well.