Friend of OceanGate CEO heard ‘cracking’ on Titan | NewsNation Now
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- Karl Stanley, friend of OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush and owner of Stanley Submarines, says he heard “cracking sounds” while inside the Titan sub on a dive.
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The fact that he heard cracking in the hull and kept hustling people to ride in it while suing everyone who warned him is absolutely criminal.
It's also psychopathic.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver .. It actually is, good point!
@@RideAcrossTheRiver Excellent point. This information just adds to the impression of criminal negligence.
What his interviews he was an arrogant b Astard
fact remains he himself was on board
hearing cracking as it is going deeper is exactly the opposite thing you want to hear in a sub.. what the actual hell were they thinking
hears cracking sound proceeds to go deeper
THEY CLOWNS
The house is just settling. I mean the sub
@@leelunk8235yeah in a way they new what’s the signed the waiver but that poor 19 year old went don’t ther cos it was Father’s Day give that a thought mate yeah
It's pride, meaning no fear of the Lord God Almighty.
So let me get this straight: Stockton himself heard the sub actually cracking from the pressure and STILL thought it was safe enough to bring tourists onboard? What the actual hell, that's beyond stupid and straight up psychopathic.
He seemingly didn't lay off the peanut butter and crack.
$$$$$$$$$$$...Dollar Signs?
It’s absolutely wild that they were using sensors to determine if their hull was experiencing any type of failure. At that depth if the hull is compromised it’s already too late.
The problem is that non-bendy stuff either doesn't break at all, or it breaks immediately.
There's no wiggle room.
So the sensors don't even matter, they're always too late.
#DesignFail
When you hear it cracking it is leaving an opening, should have been replaced or rebuilt
What's a hull
Well it's not abnormal to use sensors but problem is sensors don't fix the problem. So they heard a crack at 10000 feet and the sensors go haywire but it's too late so sensors are useless. James Cameron says it's cold comfort knowing you're about to die when the sensors go off.
@@Mariekr49Google it. Look up boat or submarine hull.
This is the first catastrophic failure of a sub hull in the 60 years of deep sea submersible exploration. Stockton Rush cut corners left and right because he claimed that the industry safety standards restricted "innovation". The fact that he ignored warnings from experts in this field and never tested it below 3000 feet before taking passengers is absolutely criminal.
absolutely, WTF. I had assumed the sub had done multiple dives at Titanic depth before
Oh look another morally righteous projecting youtube armchair expert. Sure are a lot of you on here.
@@healinghashis2 times and they weakened the Hull.
u D bag, this is a terrible sub thats meant to fail!
Wait it had never been to the Titanic wreck before?
“Some believe this situation was avoidable.”
Everyone. Everyone believes this situation was avoidable.
It wasn't avoidable.
They had to go down there.
It was their destiny.
That was the understatement of the year.
@@_munkykok_ They could have gone down in a much safer vessel.
If they didn't fire their safety engineer then yes it can be avoided but they fired him.
Let's go to Walmart and build a submarine
I’m just a layman, but my experience with carbon fiber from years riding/racing bicycles is the stuff cracks. I have always been amazed at how Carbon Fiber has been hailed as a super material. Having cracked two CF frames and witnessed other crazy things with CF, I chose to ride/race on Titanium, and I’m talking the early 2000s. Certainly a short fatigue life with CF. The scary part is the CF bike frame, handlebar will look perfect, hiding hairline cracks, but when it breaks it blows.
It is a super material in the right application.
I think, especially with cycling, it’s the fact that it’s so light weight…
@@cinnamon_toast22eh, aluminium is plenty light. Outside of professional racing it's stupid. Why train with a light bike? Train with a heavy bike and use the CFC for the actual racing where 2 kg less matters. Otherwise 9 kg or 7 kg for a road bike is irrelevant. Mine is aluminium and super light and tough. Had many crashes and it's fine haha. My head hurts but the frame is as sound as ever after 15000 km.
I'm also a layman and to my knowledge, CF is phenomenal when the pressure on the inside is greater than that of the outside but with the Titan, it was the reverse!
The fact that Rush cut corners like this with an engineering background… unfathomable. Just absolutely unacceptable. It was just a matter of time honestly.
Rush's arrogance was astounding. All the experts told him a carbon fibre hull was a bad idea, people who worked for him said it wasn't safe, he heard the carbon fibre cracking first-hand which even someone who has no engineering experience realises is very bad and yet, through all that, he still maintained his belief that he was right and everybody else was wrong. Given what we know now it seems a catastrophic failure was inevitable and was only a matter of time. It's sad that his arrogance has cost 5 lives and in a way I wish he hadn't been one of them so that he could've been made to answer for the loss of life that his attitude ended up causing.
Absolutely.... utter arrogance!!!
I hope his wife is proud of him.
its not the fact that the carbon fibre hull was unsafe, carbon fibre hulls can be rated to go down to the depths of the titanic. its mainly that they didnt have the proper safety in place and never checked for damage to the hull along with many other failures. had they actually developed a submersible that was certified for those depths and frequently checked after and before each dive they would've been fine.
what im trying to say with this is. Just because it was carbon fibre doesn’t automatically mean it was doomed to fail. they can and have been rated for those depths before.
Not sure why you'd keep going going with carbon fibre when other materials have been proven to withstand the pressure. That's not innovation; that's insanity. I do understand that he probably thought (as described here) that the vessel would make noise as it slowly took on more pressure during descent, but that it wasn't actually going to crack.
@@robertgill448his wife and others like her will call him a "martyr" or someone "born before his time" or something else just as awful to excuse his arrogance, negligence and total disregard for the lives of the other 4 onboard.
After listening to various experts the most astonishing thing is that sub has actually managed to do several dives before imploding. It was a disaster waiting to happen from the start.
I don't know for sure, but I am thinking the same sub was used for dives and eventually wear and tear built up
But each dive wears out the carbon fiber hull with the constant expansion and contraction from the pressure and carbon fiber is like an egg shell and just waiting to crack. Can you imagine what the boy felt when he heard the crack. 😱
re: "the most astonishing thing is that sub has actually managed to do several dives before imploding." ikr...? if not for the whole "mental image" of Luke, Leah, Han, and Chewy meeting their "bloody liquid deaths" in the Star Wars Trash Compactor (with explosives behind the moving walls) i'm tempted to give the man credit for what he did achieve. just imagine if he wasn't a RICH IDIOT and actually took safety and the vessel's construction SERIOUSLY...?
Yeah definitely. And apparently the "monitoring system" that was in place to give enough advance warning of imminent hull failure to avoid this tragedy didn't work out that well.... Who knows if it even existed in the first place. Guy just seems like some kind of crackpot/ scam artist in retrospect
@@Hknaswyes basically that's what happened
The fact that the CEO himself witnessed “cracking” sounds on the first dive should tell you enough. That alone should’ve made him realize to maybe switch over to a different, more robust, type of material. I believe last Sunday was the 7th dive for that particular submersible. This was an accident waiting to happen. It’s been in the making for 6 dives, and nothing was done. Rest In Peace!!
@krist6074
From what I have seen in videos here on TH-cam they had a total amount of 13 dives in 2021 and 2022 but only 2 so far that took paying customers down to the Titanic. One in 2021 and one in 2022. On both dives there had been problems. Before dive no 1 in 2021 a piece of metal ( a stabilization rudder) on the outside of the submersible broke off and had to be welded back on while the people inside the submersible were already bolded in. On dive no. 2 in 2022 one of the 4 outside propellers malfunctioned and caused the vehicle to go in circles instead of straight forward. They fixed that from inside probably by shutting down the broken propeller. On both dives there were problems with the communication between the submersible and the mother ship.
I feel for the kid’s mom. Can’t imagine what she must be feeling.
Maybe she is dead, too.
Who knows.
She's rich!
@@_munkykok_ why?
@@_munkykok_ She's not
I feel sick and furious that these arrogant rich men and their employees managed to use most of the world's media to track down a wreck
(after hearing from the Navy there was a loud implosion mins after sub stopped communicating as well as tracker[separate battery powered] stop working, both, same time!
and an object designed to automatically return to the surface -didn't.
they CLEARLY dragged the story out to advertise the need for scant technology!
when people with all the facts knew virtually 100% there's been a catastrophe)
and YET, we hardly hear in the news about a ship capsizing in Mediterranean with 750 people onboard, of which 100 people were kids!
78 confirmed dead, 500 still missing!
surely this is bigger news?
why are we hearing about 5 rich people?
who does the media work for?
let this message repeat
This testimony is HUGE. According to this guy, Stockton knew FROM THE VERY FIRST DIVE that carbon fiber wasn't working without serious issues yet he kept doing it despite his own findings and criticism from the rest of the industry. Darwin award goes to Stockton it's too bad he took 4 others with him. I just can't understand how one could be that negligent and even bring a 19 year old knowing these issues exist.
He knew during development........ have you not been following any of this? why do you think he didnt hire experienced vets? It was not because they were not young, but because all of them would never step on foot in that sub or allow an rides to the titanic to happen
Arrogance.
It’s the same as it was with the Titanic…pride and arrogance…self-centered goals were all that mattered to him. But the people who were willing to knowingly risk their lives and pay a fortune to do it are not without blame. I don’t feel much sympathy for them, except for the boy, who may have been coerced.
That is gross negligence, and such gross negligence cannot be waived, via a waiver. They are going to be sued.
@@twilightresonance1789 Actually, one of the world's most experienced was with him. I have been wondering why he would choose to join. It's doubtful Rush was fully transparent.
People do and have done successful dives to places much deeper than where the Titanic is. The technology and engineering to do it already exists and it's not where the problem lays at all. He was trying to do it for cheaper so he could create a business model out of it. He wanted to be the guy who took the public to see the world underwater. Even that, is not the problem. The problem is that not only did he cut all the corners possible to cut the costs, he also ignored all the protocols and warnings from the people who knew better. If he wanted to take people down there he had the responsibility to make sure that all his innovations were up to standard and that he did everything in his power to ensure the safety of his passengers. How so many people actually fell for his madness and went on that dive is beyond me. He wanted to be remembered as the guy who broke the rules to create something fantastic and ended up being remembered as the guy who broke the rules and got people killed.
I just can't imagine the idea that they were blind to this. It really is an awful situation... I have so much anxiety about normal things like cars, driving not to mention getting underwater into what appeared to be a death trap. Why did none of them sense the danger? I just don't understand at all
Agreed. Reckless
Yes we have heard this from the experts. Now everyone is repeating their extensive submarine knowledge as they are experts now
@jmn1238 , 60 years of deep sea diving and this is the first implosion due to a home depot built out of spec sub. I may not be a plumber, but I know how to flush a toilet
@@bioshawna , what made it appear to be a death trap? Why do you suppose that you have any idea what you are talking about?
The fact that the viewing window was only rated for 2,000 feet and the Titanic is over 12,000 feet is insane.
Right? That alone blows my mind…..
I can’t get over someone paying $259,099 and risking their lives to share the view out of basically an airplane window.
@@HeatherRose2023yeah exactly
@@rainedyani8505 It definitely blew their minds
there's a video of the ceo talking about when they are at certain depth the plexiglass would bend several inches. I hope dude is in hell.
Incredible. Rush heard that cracking and still let people be screwed into it and submerged.
Oh man! He needs to show the video of the heard cracking sounds.
He knows it's a money video.
The lawyers are going to love that video......
I hope they are able to get the hold of the video with the increase cracking sound. It's insane to ignore so many warning.. here I am, a no one, not even all that great of a scientist, but I would think these amazing scientist/engineers, would know the sound of warning
There's this Mexican TH-camr AlanXElMundo who went down with him and recorded journey but was never given 4k video he recorded for his TH-cam channel. He explains it in Spanish on his TH-cam channel. Now I am thinking maybe his video recording caught some of that cracking and CEO didn't want him putting that on TH-cam here is that video I'm referring to th-cam.com/video/RAncVNaw5N0/w-d-xo.html
@@MrWellyeahwow good point...
Imagine the sheer terror of the son who already has scared to go. This is a true nightmare for that poor soul.
Poor kid... Gotta listen to that gut feeling 😢 hope it was quick and painless. God rest his soul.
He is dead, get off his nuts
Agree.
Honestly can't imagine what he must be feeling. He must be shitting his pants as I know I would. I'm scared of even rollercoasters so dunno how I would handle this. The boy must've had an instant heart attack when he heard a crack.
@jonfreeman9682 Well, sadly, he isn't feeling anything anymore.
2:30 This is actually sooo crazy.
Anyone that starts getting familiar with carbon fiber learns pretty fast that visible cracks or hearing cracks means structural damage and integrity loss, and is strongly adviced to replace the part.
Yep, those broken fibers don't fix themselves after the pressure is removed. This man was insane. Kinda shocked it lasted as long as it did, imagine all those fibers breaking on every dive adding up to the eventual failure.
Leaking water would be the clue to get out very fast
@@BurnerJonesAh but they had microphones on the hull to hear it extra well and know for sure that they all have about 20 seconds to make peace.
These men did not have to die. They were not like the old time explorers who gave up their lives in pursuit of new discoveries. Instead, they were men with money to burn who wanted to look through an 8 inch porthole to see something they could have seen on a 60 inch screen in the safety of their home. I’m not sure if they did their due diligence on the integrity of this backyard assembled tube, either. Their lack of insight into the consequences of their choices has led to a cascade of pain and suffering for dozens of loved ones left behind--irreversible fallout.
If you really want to see Titanic properly ROV is the way! Insane cameras vs a tiny window and you can explore for weeks while sitting in a big boat at the surface in your underpants munching snacks within reach of an espresso machine. And you can take turns. 100 people can have a go, doesn't cost anymore the thing is down there already.
BUT no selfie with Titanic in the background... that's what the 250 grand was for. Not to see her. You can buy a deep sea ROV for 100 grand rated to 6000 m. Now granted the instruments or cameras might cost another 150-300 grand but the thing has no time limit. You bring up after a week or two to have a look if it's fine but no reason it can't roam around for a month.
I would pay good money (if I had it) to control an ROV. Dr. Ballard once said he recoiled in horror after running into something having completely forgotten he wasn't actually down there himself. It that immersive. You have a VR headset and you even control robot arms by moving your arms. ROVs kinda pioneered VR headsets. Ballard had them in the 90s.
@@divercamman3997 still my original statement stands. They didn’t have to die.
Great guest. You shouldn't have cut the interview short.
If the CEO had not gone down there when this happened , he would have been charged with 5 counts of man slaughter. And then his ego would have convinced him that it wasn’t his fault.
He would have lawyered up with some high profile attorneys and you would have had a media circus show.
No manslaughter at all. This is simply a *maritime disaster* where people who ASSUMED the risk lost their lives.
If he heard cracking sounds on a separate dive then that sub already had structural damage.
Stockton literally fired a guy who was asking questions about safety, depth ratings on the window, etc. It's amazing this guy heard the thing cracking and just said, we'll just keep diving in this thing
Buddy Brown did a short video and quoted the CEO as saying he didn’t want 50 year old white guys on the board. I guess he paid the ultimate price for not wanting the wisdom of older, wiser, more experienced men. (Not that color should matter).
@@joycewright5386 Yeah I criticize him for that too, of course him throwing in the fact they're white speaks too how loony he is. But overall age and experience is the most important thing, there can be some genius young talent but you need veterans
Not a time to cut off the video. He was still speaking.
This is a murder. The company knew the flaws of the Titan such as carbon cracking long before
The passengers weren't exactly stupid....or well, they shouldn't have been given their careers! 🫢
That’s what I’m saying all of them should be charged because they knew it was not up to safety standards! Why are they not all locked up???
Carbon fiber just isn't durable. You never know when it will snap like an eggshell.
Negligent homicide
I'm done caring about these arrogant rich men and their employees. They managed to use most of the world's media to track down a wreck...
(after hearing from the Navy there was a loud implosion mins after sub stopped communicating as well as tracker [separate battery powered] stop working, both, same time!
and an object designed to automatically return to the surface in multiple ways
-didn't.
they CLEARLY dragged the story out to advertise the need for scant technology to find the wreck in days (at charity) rather than expensive months!
when people with all the facts knew virtually 100% there's been a catastrophe!)
and YET, we hardly hear in the news about a ship capsizing in Mediterranean with 750 people onboard, of which 100 people were kids!
78 confirmed dead, 500 still missing!
surely this is bigger news?
why are we hearing about 5 rich people?
who does the media work for?
Submarines actually change shape as it goes to different depths. The use of metal allows for such deformations. However, with carbon fibre, there is no flexiblilty. If is goes, it goes. Cracking means that the material has been compromised and is no longer fit for purpose. The lesson is not to use carbon fibre again as well as other regulations that will come off from this accident.
Also once you mix acrylic, cfc and titanium you got 3 different materials that expand at a vastly different rate. Acrylic + titanium is common but add cfc in the mix? It's asking for trouble.
Exactly what I surmised, he heard it cracking for years but lost his objectivity being CEO and Engineer. That dual role is a recipe for disaster because money was top of mind. It takes alot to get to catastrophic Failure with that many smart eyes on the product for that long. It cracked since the 1st descent. This was 100% avoidable with a stringent maintenance schedule. It should have been replaced frequently.
I could of course be wrong but I really don’t think the CEO was money oriented. From the sounds of it, he was doing this more as a way to live out his own dream. I mean he was on almost every dive himself, it’s fair enough that he wanted to risk his own life but he had no right to risk other peoples lives.
@@seb1554because he couldn’t find no one else to pilot it or one that didn’t ask “where’s the certification” for this vessel.
He was both in charge of the engineering and the financials of the company, apparently.
nicely stated!
@@robertgill448 He had PH-Nargeolet onboard as a pilot several times, one of the most experienced titanic divers in the world.
The cracking alone should’ve been a sign something was wrong.
I think he said the concern was the flange or the seals where the fiber meets those metal rings on each end, since they flex at different rates it is basically is ripping apart and once water gets in those micro spots it progressively becomes weaker, not to mention it was held by some sort of glue....
No, cracking is normal when stuff breaks.
Why would they be alarmed?
@@cbot375 WTF? a glue, that is literally a fucking manslaughter bro, this should have been a fully titanium based sub or acrylic.
At 1000 feet if you hear a crack you can still escape. At 5000 feet your odds are less. At 11000 feet it's game over.
@@jonfreeman9682 escape from what exactly? we all will die at some point, why not today then? at least they made it to the news
I'm starting to feel Stockton did know he was gambling each time, but simply couldn't bring himself to lose face amongst his peers by admitting defeat. fear of loss of face is incredibly psycholgically motivating
The father of the father-son duo who gave up their seats on the Titan sub (which seats were taken by the Pakistani father-son duo) said they saw the red flags after looking into things and didn't think it was safe so they backed out. That father's quote is the best summary of this whole affair: Stockton Rush believed his own words and was so excited about his mission that he was blind to the red flags we could see.
At the time of implosion, the temperature inside Titan rose to approximately 3 times that of the sun's surface. Given an air volume of 100 cubic meters, with an average ambient temperature of 75 degs at 6000psi, we can see just how catastrophic this tragedy was. Literally, everything disintegrated in an instant.
Why would the collapse of the hull increase the temperature inside? I’m curious as I am not a engineer. Thanks
@@Alex-wv6coim no engineer either but i believe it is the pressure being released, its literally the whole power of the ocean being forced within something the size of a minivan.... incredible to think about
@@scottm8914 Yes and terrifying.
That’s one element I’ve not yet read - the massive heat involved in the implosion. Adds another layer of explanation as to why the bodies simply disintegrated…
@@Alex-wv6co It's the same effect that makes diesel engines work. They don't have spark plugs to ignite the fuel on every cycle. Instead they rely on the fact that as air (or any gas) is compressed, it's temperature goes up. In the case of a diesel engine, the compression (the actual PSI depends on design) drives the air fuel mixture into such a small space that the temperature is more than high enough for the mixture to ignite on its own with no outside spark needed.
Another example is an old bush craft device to ignite tinder is a small wooden piston you prepare with a bit of flammable tinder, extend the plunger and then slam it down as quickly as possible. Flip the piston over and check if the tinder is smoldering. Pretty cool when I first saw that demonstrated.
Carbon fiber is only strong in tension. Solid fuel rocket motors with CF casings contain huge pressures internally which puts the CF in tension. Pressure from the outside of a CF sub hull puts the CF in compression which does not make the cylinder rigid. The sub's carbon fibers were contributing very little to the rigidity of the cylinder walls. That cracking noise was the CF separating from the resin that bonded the fibers together. How could anyone be so completely stupid as to not see the cracking noise as imminent failure of the hull and instant death.
Who? Stockton.
Denis.. right what you say! that was my thought too. plus there been others big issues at sub and the worst part was... IT didnt have the Standards to dive that deep 4.000.m, only 2.000.construct material was weak to face pressure.
@@ispeeeaaakeeewhaaaleee
He's the CEO of OceanGate
Yeah man cracking means imminent failure. You have no idea what your talking about
@@elizabethlacky6068 I know. He asked who could be so completely stupid.
well, they cut that off pretty aburptly.
They do most of the time it's anoying
they want to be mainstream media with the 30 second soundbytes
yeh that was poor, he was mid flow
Advertisement was waiting. More important.
Typical know-nothing reporters. Very irksome.
I am glad this person has come out and said what he did. Blue Robotics has a video on a composite 2 inch diameter watertight enclosure, it implodes at 200 meters. At 100 meters you can can hear the crackling, before it implodes ( about 5-6 seconds ) you can see it distort then poof disappears. This is just a clear composite. An expert has stated that the lamination of the Kevlar cylinder would unravel (crackling noises ) before implosion happened. My guess is the CEO knew what was about to happen and the tourist more than likely heard the crackling/delaminating of Kevlar layers before….lights out, game over, TILT! remember, this man states CEO was using the crackling noise to gauge failure is probably why he dropped the weights to surface BUT late.
Interesting analysis. I'm done caring about these arrogant rich men and their employees. They managed to use most of the world's media to track down a wreck...
(after hearing from the Navy there was a loud implosion mins after sub stopped communicating as well as tracker [separate battery powered] stop working, both, same time!
and an object designed to automatically return to the surface in multiple ways
-didn't.
they CLEARLY dragged the story out to advertise the need for scant technology to find the wreck in days (at charity) rather than expensive months!
when people with all the facts knew virtually 100% there's been a catastrophe!)
and YET, we hardly hear in the news about a ship capsizing in Mediterranean with 750 people onboard, of which 100 people were kids!
78 confirmed dead, 500 still missing!
surely this is bigger news?
why are we hearing about 5 rich people?
who does the media work for?
(Rhetorical questions!)
@@jmarsh5485 Ummm, the media works for itself. Always has. Drama about a sub rescue drives a lot more views for ads than a bunch of people on a boat capsizing. No one cares about the rich people, but the media can build a multi-day event around a sub rescue. This is nothing new.
can you send video for that please?
@@konosmgr I think this is it: th-cam.com/video/1rX_jH3785I/w-d-xo.html (I was curious, too.)
@@jmarsh5485 - Yes, it is all so very sad... The "news"? will never talk much about the Millions of Illegal people from all over the world flooding through the open southern border, because they want those voters..... This is even more sad... No one ever talks about the number of people found dead on our side of this border, either, except for the people who work down there, right? I'm positive I know who the media works for... :(
The fact that Stockton Rush will never be able to answer for his actions infuriates me.
I'm no expert on this and in fact know nothing about it but I think the cracking sounds should've been a clear warning! I keep thinking about the 19 year old and how he was terrified to go down. I imagine every crack would've scared him even more. Bless his heart. I hope it was so fast no one knew it even happened and that there was no pain.
He's 19, he was an adult. You can't protect children forever, all you can do is make them resilient so that they can protect themselves but then they don't need a mother anymore do they? The implosion would have increased the temp of the interior air to that of the surface of the sun. They would have been vaporized before the subs ends crashed into each other with the implosion. In short, they literally would not have had any chance to process what was going on...
Victoria... sorry to say this, but the father of that boy was blinded of arrogance, he himself didnt want to dive but fate forced him somehow. Ok. The sub itself imploded (intern explosion) by 3.000.m and melted everyone in second, they didnt feel any pain at all.
ALL WE CAN KNOW FOR SURE IS HE DIED
You clearly are not an expert, and you have no idea what you are talking about.
Right. Other subs don't make that noise. That's a sign that the carbon fibre isn't innovative, but instead is inferior.
Yep the weakest part of that sub was where they joined the carbon fiber to the titanium…. That is 100% the failure point.
Everyone hears cracking sounds in a sub and does absolutely nothing? Wow?
The sub was never lost, it was blown to bits
It was a psyop
You couldn't make this up, what the hell have Oceangate been thinking. It's utterly & totally irresponsible.
Well worry not, the one responsible is now dead. Along with a few innocent lives. I do wonder what the rest of the company gonna do now though? 🤔
@@DanDaFreakinMan
I think they'll be running for the hills before they're brought to justice by those who want to sue them.
They're all complicit
MONEY
MONEY
@@_munkykok_
Agreed, that's ALL the 'make in a shed' Company have been thinking about.
He rolled the dice one to many times, and it's a shame that people had to die unnecessarily. The others that turned down the opportunity to go down should of been a warning to him . May the all rest in peace.
I don’t blame him he was trying a make a buck. I blame the others who though this was a good idea. I Especially blame the billionaires who could have bought his own island and he could have dice whenever he pleases (not to the titanic but it would be his own). The billionaire would still feel powerful. I feel bad for the 19 year old as he was to please his father.
I can not bear the pressure going to the bottom of a 12 ft pool. The pressure at 4000 feet is incomprehensible to me.
This is crazy, unnecessary and absolutely criminal to ever put another individual in harms way so recklessly like this.
People who have never faced real life adversity and limitations due to their social status, identity or physical ability should not include other humans in their testing the limits of life “experiments”. The rest of us have too much respect for our human lives and varied experiences.
I feel extremely sad for the son. He didn't want to go, I hear, but he wanted to please his dad on Father's Day. The rest of the men didn't care if they died.
He died a noble death. He stepped up and became a man that day and should be remember for his bravery of overcoming his fears...
HE IS WITH JESUS NOW, CHOOSING HIS PREFERRED SEXUAL PARTNERS IN HEAVEN
He failed to listen to his common sense. Like a lemming, right over a cliff. He's the only one I feel sorry for.
@@Chad_Maxlmao being noble is another word for being an idiot. He should of just backed out who cares if it was father day. Now he’s dead and so is his dad.
@@Chad_MaxThat young man did not choose to die that day! I’m sure that senseless vouage was his father’s idea and the boy was not given the choice to stay behind. As for the CEO, rather than spending millions on designing and building an underwater exploding coffin, use that money to sustain human life. RIP to the entire crew of the Titan…..
"Pioneer" "explorer" oh please. Guy was a wack job.
guy was a nut jaab !
This situation is avoidable. However, it requires not going to the bottom of the ocean. That’s the first step in avoiding a situation like this.
facts... well said.
people have successful deep sea submersions at depths 3 times greater than this. it can be done safely.
According to your logic, having your heart broken is avoidable too, just never ever fall in love. Being lied to is also avoidable, just never listen to anyone say anything. Breaking a bone is avoidable too, just never dare to ride a horse, play a rough sport, ride a mountain bike, and so on. In fact, even Death herself is avoidable by simply never being born at all.
the second step if the first step is skipped, would be to not cut corners and not ignore prominent dangers.
@@ernestoherreralegorreta137 Absolutely true. Everyone takes risks in their lives. Some risks can be mitigated. Others, not so much. Some risks result in the worst outcome. Some risks can have mitigating factors. And then there are risks people cannot comprehend.
I cannot fathom such an incident. My deepest condolences
Why did News Nation cut the speaker off while he was still speaking? This was very important information.
99% of scientists agree it came from a bat soup.
That's why.
she had to go pee
She had to go poo real bad actually
The seal between dissimilar materials is always a huge challenge. It seems like a reasonable conjecture that that is where the failure occurred.
Stockton Rush will be remembered for THE PHYSICS RULES HE BROKE !!
At least he acknowledges that he heard cracking and thought nothing of it
Nope.
He heard it and went even deeper.
#Savage
Well he must have thought he could use some duct tape to reinforce the hull.
Convinced he loved the titanic so much he didn't care if he died down there it was just selfish his negligence took others out with him
Seems to me that it’s common sense, if you know basic physics or chemistry, that you should not combine a metal with a non-metal in that kind of extreme environment. You’ve got two materials behaving differently to pressure and temperature changes as he referenced. Also they probably behave differently to corrosive salt water itself. I think one or both of the titanium end caps separated first and then the carbon fiber hull imploded. Carbon fiber bicycles are not as durable and long lasting as metal bicycles is one example I can think of the inherent disadvantage of carbon fiber. The advertising for OceanGate on their TH-cam channel says the vessel is safe when they knew it’s experimental and not proven long term.
Remember different densities respond to environmental conditions, pressure, differently.
USE 3 FOOT THICK STEEL. also cheap at $4/kg
In this case, Hubris got the best of the CEO
@@esecallum that is not the issue, the issue is the equipment required to launch and retrieve such a heavy unit... this is why this was made of carbon and titanium mostly. They did not have the money to have the right ship and gear to launch a proper unit. This was exploration LIGHT.
what common sense? they did it just for the thrills
same as cameron, all he says is out of jealousy that they died and he is not
So he actually knew it would fail at some point and had heard cracking at shallower depths. This is pure negligence. It’s people and companies like this one that make governments end up over regulating everything out of safety concerns. It’s neat to be able to build something new when it’s just for fun but when you’re using it to go where just the pressure outside alone can kill you, that’s stupidity. His design would probably be great for people vacationing in the Bahamas, Hawaii, etc but not for someplace dangerous.
You know they heard something even if for a second
This man applied aerodynamic concepts to aquatic issues…
That's perfectly adequate, too.
Ask any flying/diving expert.
The problem wasn't that at all, he simply used too weak gear in too harsh circumstances.
His sub was probably alright for diving in shallow waters, is what I'm saying.
Many others would have imploded too, if they went too deep.
You can't fly to the Mars with an airplane either.
Some locations are just too high or too deep.
@@_munkykok_that’s not the issue. The issue is he KNEW it wasn’t rated to go that deep, and did it anyway. The windows are tested for 1300m meter, not 4000m, the depth they were at. He fired employees who said it wasn’t safe. He ignored the cracking sounds and everyone who said carbon fiber is a bad idea
@_munkykok_ you just described the mythical Icarus
@@joane24 Iron Maiden even made a documentary about him and his first flight.
@@MrDreamMods That's what I'm saying, ffs.
Shocking that Stockton did not take the cracking noises seriously! He should have known the first time that he heard cracking sounds
that another material was needed. So many problems ignored. Wonder what Henri-Paul thought about these issues??
The idiot took them seriously alright. He installed sensors that would tell him when a structure failure was imminent. Almost as if he is talking about about an A/C thermostat recognizing that the temperature is too high and kicks in the cooling. He deluded himself that he was being smart and safe "enough".
Not very shocking to me.
Yeah he is just an idiot, maybe he think the cracking sound was sound of his innovation.
They had issues reported constantly
he tried to prove the doubters wrong
I am a carpenter and my thought was the ring and the capsule would contract and expand at different levels. I watched a clip when they glued the two together. I thought now there are three different bonds that are fighting not only the pressure but each other. It turns out that it could be the cause. Carbon FIBER Fiber is the keyword with this failure. The flexing stacked dive after dive it seems.
The titanium end bells on Titan would basically glued on. Two completely different materials that react different to stress and temperatures. Carbon fiber can withstand only so many cycles of extreme temp and pressure changes. Plus the carbon fiber was rolled on, not criss-crossed. Huge mistakes.
linear roll, not criss cross !! wtf!!!!???
I have carbon, aluminum, and titanium bicycles. The metal ones bend but rarely break. The carbon is stiff as hell. It will not bend but crack, and once it cracks, you need to replace the frame or it will come apart when least expected. Under the pressure and temp changes I would think you need a material that can flex back and forth like metal. If you ever hear carbon making cracking noises it's giving in but it will not flex back, it's on its way to collapsing.
Yeah there are good reasons the industry standard is steel or titanium alloys for this depth.
But metal is too expensive for a sub. Rather die than pay extra.
@@JM-mr6pz 🎯
stockton sounds like a real smart guy
We'll never know but can't help wondering if it was making these crackling noises and all of them demanded to go back up and the CEO refused.
Ey yo, let the man finish speaking.
I was involved in early Carbon Fiber development for GP racing. When overstressed the delicate carbon strands break up at a molecular level. Stress is distributed throughout a structural component and there is no way to know when it is compromised. In testing the first CF wheels for racing motorcycles film of a failure was incredible; at 32 frames per second from just one to the next, less than 1/32 sec you see the intact wheel disappear from the center of the tire, only a light gray dust visible against the light shining through.
The use of CF for high compression was insane. Carbon Fiber is known for complete 'Catastrophic Failure' without warning under high stress. Just light impact with rock or steel could create a miniscule weakness in the extreme surface tension of the moulding, resulting in instantaneous failure.
I was sure of implosion as soon as they lost communication a bit over halfway down. Previous dives had compromised the integrity of the hull which should at least not have been reused so many times if at all. It is hard to believe it was used after the light crackling noises I know, a little like rice crispies. That was the structure disintegrating at the molecular level they should have seen at once as total design failure. It is rare to get any warning when CF structural components have lost their molecular bond.
I might add titanium would retract at such cold, helping de-bond from carbon fiber resin. In cycling through these issues the structure lost cohesion and was simply crushed at little more than half the pressure it had endured in the same dives before.
I notice use of CF in warplanes like the F32 as the same ignorance of its basic charachteristics. Even the smallest bullet or a rock at high speed on the wrong part can result in predictable catastrophic failure. Like old wooden PT boats carrying 1000 gallons of gasoline it shows either stupid engineers or planned risk for anyone aboard.
"Some people believe this situation was avoidable." Who the hell DOESN'T believe it was avoidable?
Carbon fiber is extremely tough, brand new. Once it has a fracture or even a dent, it instantly becomes extremely weak.
This is literally a bombshell testimony of the signs of failure. Prayers to the families involved but this was preventable.
Yupp, Fauci lied, people died.
The CEO had more than enough warning if he literally heard cracking sounds in the vessel months before he took 4 people with him🤦🏻
Everyone now comes out and says "i knew this was going to happen, i knew this, i knew that". Well, then people should have pleaded to stop this and did more to stop these deaths, especially that poor 19 year old. This was preventable and everyone saying they knew it was going to happen is partially responsible for this. SMH
Plenty of people warned Rush it was dangerous even before Titan's first voyage. Rob McCallum, an expert on expeditions, wrote him, “I think you are potentially placing yourself and your clients in a dangerous dynamic." In reply, Rush wrote, “Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cries of ‘you are going to kill someone’ way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult." Rush fired an engineer who was responsible for reviewing the ship for safety, for saying it was unsafe. Plenty of people saw the craft was dangerous. Plenty of people warned Rush. He ignored them.
@invisiblepopcorn exactly. There's another comment I made that stated that they weren't trying to shut down Rush but yet just trying to make him get safety certifications and such but Rush took it personal and was being stubborn thinking they were just trying to shut him down. Rush's stubbornness is what killed them. Maybe the design was good for one maybe two dives but he wasn't thinking about the submersible was after numerous dives. He was trying to prove everyone wrong when he ended up proving them right
There’s a Demotivational poster from way back that said “Mistakes - It Could be that the Purpose of Your Life is Only to Serve as a Warning to Others.”
I also liked “Regret - It Hurts to Admit When You Make Mistakes- But When They’re Big Enough, the Pain Only Lasts a Second.”….
Why even launch a sub that was destined to be crushed to pieces? The CEO would have known surely? Very sad that he was that ignorant.
It seems like willfully ignorant given all of his friends in the industry that warned him.
I almost think he did it on purpose, had a death wish to be a "part" of Titanic history literally
Yeah probably, but we may never know.
Ignorant people pay the biggest cost possible.
Is it me, or did it seem like he was still giving his information and they cut this video off?
Exactly, weren't expecting this man to blow the whistle....just like that, they cut him off....seems sus
Wild how this story gets more and more insane the more we learn
Much respect for speaking up.
Tourist: "Uh Mr. Rush, I think I felt a drop of water on my head. " Rush: "Don't worry, it's nothing".
Rush: don’t worry, it’s part of my genius innovation.
😂
That's not how it goes, it breaks immediately.
#StiffMaterial, #ZeroLeakageTime
@@_munkykok_ Duh.
If it's truly 125 million pounds of pressure exerted on that sub, that's crazy. To put that in perspective, where I work, an 'average' freight train is somewhere around 6000 tons, give or take. That kind of weight would be the equivalent of up to 10 freight trains. Totally insane.
Ten freight trains is nothing. They had nine Empire State Buildings down there, I hear.
I actually calculated 7000 t was the force acting on each occupant so 10x for the whole sub sounds about right. If ya wanna run the numbers average human male surface area is 2800 square inches, I believe it was 18k cm^2.
Honestly, going down that deep in a well built and properly tested and validated submersible is not dumb. But driving around that deep in a CF hull sub where you can hear the hull cracking, yes that's dumb. RIP
I would never have gone knowingly in a vessel that had cracking sounds! My Gawwd! These people!
Oh now you heard cracking....
Different coe or coefficients of expansion for anyone who’s curious to learn more. Attaching metal to glass has a lot of information about different coes. It’s weird I’m by no means a submarine engineer but I’m well aware of the problems of differences in coes as a object cools or heats. It’s huge or at least it is in glassblowing.
hellawacked., You beat me to different coefficients between the two materials
The armored concrete blocks they had with them were safe, though.
Same coefficients, concrete and steel.
#COE
Imagine a sub made out of armored concrete...
It would work for sure, as an unmanned ball, but if people have to go in and out then the hatch would be a tricky part.
the viewing and porthole windows are not glass ! !
@@buckmurdock2500 The two materials are different is the point ffs...
What's creepy about all of this is that it's so similar to what happened to the Titanic it's scary. Both were told there was major flaws and both went forward anyways. Both went down at the same place. I'm sorry, but I would have looked inside and said,"hell no I want my money back". I'm sorry but I would not have gotten in it.
According to my friend at the navy….they heard the craft implode on their sonar. They also heard voices of people screaming. Literally screaming for their lives!!!
interesting, I wonder how long they were screaming for? I heard it was 3500 meters down, of the 3800 total depth to the bottom,
When
Carbon fiber is somewhat similar to wood in that if you were in a wooden submarine and heard it cracking, would you keep going down???
You think CF is similar to wood? Hahahaha!!
Of course, that just means you need to go deeper! The louder the crack, the deeper you can go!
@@TOMVUTHEPIMPthe cracking is similar
Broken is broken
@@JM-mr6pz😂😂
Metal is some what forgiving. Carbon fiber and fiberglass is just stiff and brittle.
They just cut that man off. Wth
The biggest case of criminal negligence in history. Seriously the fact that this is the first catastrophic sub implosion speaks volumes. You can’t build a Hyundai and expect it to perform like a Audi……
With the amount of information coming out, it makes one thing terribly clear. The waivers the three non-submersible divers signed didn't clearly convey the entirety of the risk they were exposing themselves too, that Stockton probably knew in the back of his mind.
He was a murderer. And I'm hoping his death lasted slightly longer than the others on board and he had the chance to realize just how wrong and responsible he was.
a murderer who also committed suicide I guess, right? da faq?
@@JoeyMartz His willful negligence was responsible for the death of 4 ppl.
It would have taken less than 1 milliescond to implode the experts tell us. He wouldn't have had time to feel any fear or guilt.
@@JoeyMartzmurder suicides happen all the time
@@JoeyMartzChris benoit
Cracking sounds was a big red flag! After that and all the other flaws, should have ended those expeditions/tours. He had them sign waivers, but I don't think they knew everything entailed about the intentional ignoring of the safety of the sub. Regardless of those signed waivers, those families deserve compensation for the negligence. This would NEVER be a risk I would take...not even for a million dollars! Ny condolences to the families.
I'm assuming he used the same exact hull he heard cracking 3 different dives prior... sheesh. That hull probably had micro-cracks EVERYWHERE hidden by white vinyl. I heard they fired an engineer for bringing up hull fatigue issues and inspection.
I hope they can recover all pieces and investigate them thoroughly.
The owner was right when he said he broke a lot of laws to operate the titan
CONDOLENCES TO THE FRIENDS AND FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO PARISHED IN THE SUBMARINE... MAY THEY REST IN PEACE...
The failure mode is most likely to be at the interface between the CFRP and the titanium domes. The two materials have different differential thermal expansion coefficients and this under thermal and pressure cycling means differences in relative movement. I believe this is where the fatigue cracks occurred - i.e. at the bond between the CFRP and the titanium. Whenever you have dis-similar materials, it's usually at the interface where failure occurs.
I don't believe the CFRP itself failed in the middle of the hull. It's possible, but more likely the failure occurred through fatigue cracking (which can occur below the ultimate design load carrying capacity - i.e. below the design load for the sub) at the bond interface between the titanium domes and the CFRP tubular hull. Therefore, under this scenario, one of the caps would have 'popped' off, flooding the main compartment. With the loss of a cap at either end of the hull, the CFRP will then lose structural rigidity and may then collapse depending on how it was designed. So you may find a crushed CFRP hull (i.e. fragments) or an intact hull. Not enough information to know which.
I've heard somewhere, I think it was the coast guards perhaps?, that they've found hull fragments in the debris
They found the hull in fragments
There is no "bond"... There were flanged mating surfaces.
The flange is what connected the hull and viewing dome.
@@henryrollins9177The surfaces were "bonded" together by bolts, bonding doesn't require glue just closely fitted mating surfaces.
Holy crap… I am sure they heard cracking before the implosion…😢
Exactly my thoughts. Or maybe a leak. Even a leak the size of a human hair with that pressure would be deadly. Implosion probably happened seconds later. They apparently sent a distress signal and possibly dropped the ballast and undercarriage. They probably knew they were in trouble but could not ascend quickly enough.
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@@chairmankim9628 Correct. And I just learned that the reason they believe he had released the ballast and was on his way back up was bc it was found intact, whereas the sub itself was in pieces.
What an effing nightmare. Every cracking sound was letting water percolate in. Delaminating. I’d go after that company for wrongful death. He murdered them out of stupidity. How can you think that it’s not a suicide mission.
So Stockton put sensors on the hull to alert him when the failure of the hull was critical. You couldn't make it up.
Nothing more reasuring than cracking carbon fibre..
Wow, you guys cut it off at the most interesting part.
(Submarine crackling as it descends)
Stockton: “Don’t mind ol’ Betsy, that’s just what she does.”
On the Sub Brief channel, one of the comments, after seeing some footage of seeing the Titan being made, said the weave of the carbon fibre was wrong. That they'd enlarged the process for... oxygen tanks, I think he said, and that it's a totally different type of force being catered to than intense deep sea water pressure. Then many comments all said how carbon fibre is a dreadful material to be using, because it shatters like glass, it doesn't crack a bit, you have a warning, it just shatters, gone, done. Then the mix of materials, everyone thought was nuts. Plenty of informed comments about plenty of other engineering and construction anomolies.
So to have already heard cracking... with carbon fibre... that was the big red STOP sign, WRONG WAY, GO BACK.
Be curious if he was the sought of person who doesn't feel fear in the normal way. Which means his risk assessment and appreciation of consequences may have been askew.
Longitudinal fibers non overlapping.
Not fit for a sailboat is what I'm saying.
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l That's it in a nutshell.
Just like the Challenger exploded because they didn't listen to the engineers this CEO also didn't listen to the engineers they know the best about the design of the product
I can still remember the mother of the teacher on board’s reaction when it blew up… She didn’t know what was happening. 😞
Stockton didn't even have the decency to pay for this man, his friends, lodging while he was providing FREE labor. That says a lot about the kind of man he was. I think he was cutting corners to try and get this thing out into the market and make as much money as he liked. He was on course to take lives, shame that it wasn't just his own. Never trust a con man and grifter. If it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.
Yep, I heard he was a cheapskate and penny pincher too. Alot of the safety features were not included in the design because he felt it was a waste of money.
How could he. It seems all he cares about is money. He took those people money and went to die with them. 😢😢😢 I guess he thought even if he does not make it he can enjoy the money after meeting his maker. 🫣🫣🫣
God bless the passengers that passed. The hell with the ceo who thought arrogance over safety. Unbelievable
I find it so fascinating how well knowledge these people are but when it come to people going and doing these expeditions and dives, everyone clueless of it safety till it happens
0:24 The trip was supposed to be over 7 hours long. Two and half hour descent, Two and half hour ascent, and a few hours touring the Titanic. The mother ship Polar Prince lost communication with the sub after 1 hour 45 minutes or so. The mother ship wan't worried about the sub because they lost communication with the sub in previous dives. The mother ship only became concerned after the sub didn't return, well over 5 hours after it lost communication with the sub. Unreal.
It should have returned immediately because there is no way they could find the Titanic without guidance from the mother ship.
@@buckmurdock2500 That's interesting and I didn't know this. I wonder why the mother ship waited sooo long to notify the coast guard, or whoever they first notified, that the sub was missing.