Power Jet Fuel Injector Development | 12v Cummins Dyno Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video, Todd and Myer put a 1998 12v Cummins on the dyno for some back to back injector testing. They dive deep into the graphs and numbers after discovering incredible efficiency gains with the new Power Jet nozzle technology. Follow along to check out all the data from boost to EGT!
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Let's see the actual fuel economy with upgraded injectors
I agree , You don’t want to Assume that you’re using more fuel atomization is everything in a diesel if you’ve increased your atomization you probably decreased your fuel demand.
True
I'd really like to see what kind of real world fuel mileage you get with those new injectors.
Love that we're still getting r&d and improvements for the 12 valve all these years later
Awesome videos you are putting out about the second gens. Thank you.
Cant wait to see and watch more VP dynos.
Glad you like them!
I like to see videos like this, very interesting and i like how you presented the testing and analysis! And if these end up being your level 2 version, I'm interested to see what the level 1 version numbers are if you bring something like these to production.
Yep. Keep the data coming. Muhr you doin good on camera. Todd please revisit the claw(respect to your boy. Lol). Trying to do the hotrod tow rig vortex of money thing on my 06 qaud. Trying to get it right.
Love your still learning and sharing this info to....... please keep posting...
Viideos like this showing testing and data are the best in my opinion.
Are you selling yet ? I am wanting to pull the trigger on a bundle of stuff for my Fummins build and these seem like a good choice . I need to call yall and talk about a couple things I have questions about .
Looking at upgrading my injectors. Awesome info
Exciting stuff. I have a vp44 truck that I run 7x10s built by Weston Shuppe. I like his injectors simply because they run cooler, more power and less smoky. This truck is used for deliveries, running about 70 to 80k miles a year. If y'all make a set of these, comparable to 7x10s, I'd buy them to test them and see how they do. Mpg is important. At the end of the day, the better it is, the more money in my pocket.
Nothing against PDD, they have great products and an awesome crew, but I don't think you're going to find anyone with a better understanding than Weston on injectors especially. He has tried a ton of different nozzles and uses a wide variety for 12 valve and 24 valve if you look through his Facebook page photos. If you want to try something new ask him about an 8 hole. They seem to atomize very clean on lightly to moderately modded VP44 trucks.
I used to run 7x0.010s in my VP truck as well but mine were DAP sticks, when the truck was tuned well they burned very clean but I was having some EGT concerns, I think that was mostly down to the 9cm housing on the charger. Stepped up to 7x0.012 with a s364.5 in the 14cm housing and a ported head, should help.
@Michael, it will be hard to beat Weston. He's built me several sets for different trucks, and they always do better than anything else's. If someone is building one that's also good, i like to test them myself.
Already subbed but i like seeing concrete data. Seat of the pants assumtions and claims have become annoying to me. I like seeing facts. Also i like seeing that you guys are deciding to take the road less traveled and try to make real changes instead of doing the same crap everyone is an throwing out some unsupported claim. I look forward to seeing more progress on these injectors.
Now you’re speaking my language! Anxious to see the fuel economy results!
I can't wait to see some more testing with these injectors, that towing run with the new injectors looked real clean. The smoke was really low, more or less a haze the whole run.
DAMN!!! I just bought injectors....now Ima hafta buy some more :)
When these come out, you've got a customer! I bought ol' Lazerus to WORK, not be a toy & these seem the best of both worlds! I'm not a tree hugging Green New Deal clown by any means, but more horsepower, less smoke, better fuel economy is an all around environmental win in my book!
Great content! Some of the most objective and best diesel content I’ve seen! Keep it up PD Diesel guys!! 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Guys this is great video the tests between one component and another is really interesting it's real world testing not just burning rubber in my opinion doesn't prove anything ( but your local tire dealer loves them LOL ) PLEASE keep the tech videos coming
As always take care stay safe and God bless you all 🙋♂️ 🇬🇧
I like doing and seeing research done like this I do the same ony reloading ways to improve many different things.
Seeing how much that 180 pump can make on stock DVs almost makes me reconsider a 13mm pump from you guys for my 24 valve... almost
This is what I am looking for……we have a stock 96 5 speed packing a camper that is starting to show her age. Looking to keep good fuel economy but increase the torque a little to better make the 3 rd gear 4th gear jump easier. There are lots of people looking to update there trucks while keeping the economy up.
Hell yes baby
Amazing, hopefully ready when I rebuild my 98 12v in 23 God willing.
His reaction gave it away...lol
This is great. Looks like a year in... Im pretty close to getting some. Looking for new, less smoke, and EGT. I think this is all around a great choice.
Yes they continue to impress us!
Hey guys , I am loca to Cedar , bought a swx362 in April for my 1998.5 and the only part of my truck I don't have info on is injectors . Truck gets 14-16 at best right now , want to get a good compliment injector and have the head flowed and a custom tune with the quadzilla I got . My other Cummins was 20 all day long mpg ... Hoping to get closer to that as build power as low as possible for towing.
Well let's see what tod can break this time...
Id also like to see whats available for the 24V 5.9 in the way of similar injectors.
We are working on it.
Hello from Sacramento CA. 1997 2500 4x4 cummins dodge
So is Dynomite diesel helping you
Love data all I can get
If you happen to take these injectors back out, I have a 1998 automatic with AFC Live that they would fit nicely in 😁
You guys are really going to next level in what someone can do with these trucks.
Thank you
I love the video this is thing I'd like to see before I buy a product!!! I definitely would a set when they come out
Awesome! Thank you!
Wow very manageable egt not even past 1250! Very impressive. Great video thanks guys!
As I’m building my Cummins powered 4x4 Ford Econoline van for long trips this is the video series I’ve been waiting for!!! I bought your 400hp kit(still in the box) I believe that has 7x.009 injectors, will you be developing a comparable injector that is more efficient?
My dream is a e350 15 passenger with a 12valve or DT466 paired with a 5R110. Sounds like an awesome build.
@@BigPawTivald Thanks!!! I’ve thought of doing a DT360 in a van too!!!
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DLC coating can add to the efficiency!
I have your 75hp VP44 injectors in my motorhome with your towing compounds on it. Would love to see if a more efficient injector at that power level comes available
yes i like to see more those test videos! and after hours storys :D
More to come!
And when he says we are gonna change the injectors he means you
Love everything I'm seeing about these Power Jet injectors.. are you guys planning on cutting this nozzle geometry into a 24V injector nozzle/body?
I have a 180hp Ppump on my 1998.5 24V with PDD 362SX-E, PDD 7x0.0085 injectors set at p-pump pressure, and 055 DV's... love the power but looking for a little bit more efficiency and little less smoke.
Yes! Those injectors are in testing now. Should be available soon!
Are these PowerJet injectors SAC or VCO? Are the stage 1 a good fit for a bone stock truck? Looking for mpg, clean burning, an maybe a little more power. I thought I had decided on VCO 5x0.011 sticks, now I wonder if these will be better for me… 🤷♂️
They are a SAC nozzle yes they will run cleaner than the traditional 5x.011 as well as provide a bump in power and typically pick up some mpg's
It's awesome to see real research and development 🤘
would love to see some fuel economy optimized nozzles for the 5.9/6.7 common rail engines
I need a set for my truck or better yet yall need to check my 24v out lol
WILL 5X11 INJECTORS WORK ON 2002 DODGE 3500 6 SPEED WITH OUT PUTTING A BIGGER CLUTCH ONLY HAVE 35000 MILES ON FACTORY CLUTCH. 24V?
You will need different injectors for that 24v call into the shop and we will get you set up!
-Todd
I’d do some testing for ya with my 12 valve! 😄
Need to try some DLC coating.
Very cool to see new stuff is the way. Look forward to putting some things like this on my 97
New updates?
Vp44 guy here. What are the odds of a set for us?
Yes please
Makes me miss my vp44 truck. With an adrenaline tuner and an Hx super 9 I ordered from y’all I was averaging 18 mpg. That’s better than my deleted LML I have now. 🤦🏼♂️
last i was driving with a trailer my 08 6.4 got 18 pulling a trailer with a full size truck on it and 21 with no trailer best mpg i've yet to get in any truck i own
Is the truck running stock timing?
There’s a lot of “that’s what he/she said” moments in that intro lol
I have some money for you when these come out!
Sounds good we will keep you posted!
love the tech vids.
So cool to see the difference in egt’s, for me towing power and efficiency is the most important thing. My 09 has stock fuel and air but I am tempted to see what I could do with some custom cut nozzle’s.
Me want
Sounds like someone has been talking to Leeny and all his fancy new equipment.
Yep. Just connect the dots.
Do you think you will come out with a set for ve pumps?
Eventually
I'm looking for a set for my truck it's VE pump if they can compare to a 5x18 injector performance but run cleaner and it lower EGTs I'll be sold on them
Very well done, keep these coming👍😎
We all enjoy "Mur", and you two are good together.
Mer hates being filmed but I agree with you I think he does a great job!
-Todd
Was this test carried out with stock timing? If so it would be interesting to see the same test with a mild timing advance 👍🏽 love the videos keep um coming.
I'm pretty sure it was he said it in the beginning
No
EGT looked pretty good! Anything under 1250 in my book is pretty safe.
Ours as well
very cool info guys! can't wait to see more!
More to come!
So my question is can you do it for idi? As in GM6.5 turbo?
Cheers
No sorry we do not offer anything for those platforms
Ok I have a similar set up. 97 12v 5sp 2wd that I drive constantly on the highway. I have a turbo out of Texas and just the free mods done. I would love to be a real world Guinea pig. I am putting 600-1000 miles per week on it
“Freaking Tyson” is right. If that’s the guy in sales, he’s kind of pecker head when I call in. Makes sense he’s a ford driver
Not the right guy, but you are more than welcome to call and ask for Tessa if you'd like to share some details!
Are these injectors out yet?! Direct link?!
Not yet hoping by the end of the month!
@@pddofficial sweetness. Thank you for the update 🙏
Great video, but can you give an estimated fuel economy improvement?
As soon as possible
I know you guys have been testing these out for a while. Do you have any more information on how these are gonna do as far a fuel mileage goes?
They pick around 1mpg in town and around 2mpg on the road
That poor pitbike by the exhaust hose😂
I’d buy a set of these but I was trying to pay attention to more of the (driving) rpm range like 15-2500/2800…
Really enjoy this content always watching your guys tech videos. I'm curious though I currently have a set of pdd 5x12s and was thinking about going a little bigger would you be able to compare these to 5x12s to see the power level difference? A drop in egts would be nice as well
These will make more power than a 5x12 no question. Withought a direct comparison it is hard to say of course, If we get a chance to run that test we will make a video for sure!
-Todd
@@pddofficial Awesome. That'd be great if you get the chance I'd like to see the power comparison, definitely interested in seeing the development of new parts
Love the videos wish you had the power jet injectors for the 24v with a 7100 pump.
Working on it
What I have been informed is most of the injectors are pre set to 1800rmp before they fully come on and the 5.9 love to chuck along at 1700 all day long sipping fuel. And most of the injectors are for marine/GPU's (ground power unit) and some injectors come on way higher in the RPM but I am sure the pump pressure also plays a important role and higher pressure can give better pattern and atomization leading to better, faster, more complete burn and cooler block temperatures. But to high and instant flame thrower with valves not in the volume metric efficiency so bad performance. So it is a fine line and pattern shaped/placement is critical and available fuel in a critical very short time. That is a lot of variables to juggle and fine the sweet spot. I am wanting a sequel turbos(lower EGT's) and better fuel efficiency/torque and peddle responce(less turbo lag / more air/boost) and you did address the intake and exhaust flow in this test. What we were not give was the flow rate, pattern/atomization and air to fuel ratio at RPM levels. And timing adjustments will have a direct effect on tests, so for what you need is a clear cylinder to see and adjust pump pressure versus atomization. Now my second concern is how long will it take to recover the cost of the new and improved injectors? That is were you know if the product model is a viable solution for your customers.
I thot black smoke was unburned fuel how more smoke more efficient? It seems like it’s to much fuel on the full power the rest didn’t smoke to much. I also thought more un burned fuel made egt hotter?
It would be awesome if you guys tested intake horns just to see if they are a waste of money
We have and never found any gains up to 2000hp
Sloppy mechanics has the "best" camshaft for the ls engines. Pdd could call it the similar as a joke
DDP injectors come to PDD :-) those 5x.011 seemed pretty dirty. Would be good to see them against some marine 370s which are 5x.012. I don’t recall the 370s hazing when up on full boost like those 5x.011 were.
Are these made by ddp ?
Wasn’t that the premise of the video to find out what kind of economy and mileage you could get out of it and not how much power because as you stated fuel cost was so high I mean it’s a great video but
I don’t see the 67/67 turbo for sale on your website in the 12 valve section. Is it more of a common rail turbo?
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Thanks! Sorry missed your reply 8 months ago. 😂
Nice one guys ! Looks like a decent set of injectors 👍🏻
Yes good stuff. I can't do what you do that's why I always check out your channel. Let's me know what I can do that really works. So it saves me time and money wish I had a smart phone when I started my 95 12 valve
Are you planning on having this available for the 6.0 powerstroke
The moral of the story here is that the newer nozzle provides better atomization, providing more power with the same EGT's
Changing the nozzle or the whole injector witch is better result? What about 24v???
What happened to that 24v video series yall were workin on?
Hell Yea!!! This is exactly what I need for my shorty!!!! Keep it up guys and ill be waiting for them!
Great video! Let us know when we can buy them!
We will!
Will you be developing anything like this for the common rail trucks?
Early bird gets the cummins content
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Thank you guys truly amazing injectors!!!
Ultra Injector
Can't wait for these injectors! I have 5x14 injectors and they are hot and Smokey in a ve12v so I think smaller is the answer
Can I get these for a 2013 6.7?
Not yet…
R&D is fun
It sure is!!
Are you guys going to work on fuel mileage injectors for 1990-1993 12v?
I'm currently getting 18-20 on my 92 12v which is bone stock except for a 4" turbo back exhaust. I would like to improve my fuel efficiency and possibly get a little more power.
Later P-pump injectors are internally the same as our intercooled VE pump first gen injectors, but open at a slightly higher pressure. Build a pop pressure tester and re-shim whatever P pump injectors from PDD you want to open at the VE pump injection pressure.
Send me a set I’ll put them in my 12 valve and leave a review just bought the afc live
We like diesel on the east coast too
At 10:19... what did that poor mini bike ever do to anyone??!?
Can I just get the tip?
Seriously