You make some interesting comparisons and your conclusions are pretty sound. It wasn't capitalism that killed Crowhurst.... but it was another era..... other aspects failed him as well as his poor choices... He was on a mission to redeem not only himself, but also revive the family fortunes and be the hero he dreamed of being in the eyes of his family and his peers. When it was obvious it would all end in disaster...and worse...humiliation..... we can see why he never came home.... With hindsight we can also see the boat was not the future, not a brilliant design and it certainly was not ready for such a challenge. It needed a shakedown voyage to prove it's weakness's but time did not allow such a luxury and he set sail with grave misgivings. Another poor choice. But to mention capitalism as a factor is distracting: As you concluded..... Any such future race will be attempted with state-o-the-art vessels, massive backup and all the latest technology. Surely that would be capitalism at work...with all the propaganda and advertising...like football/soccer across the globe now...a money pit...capitalism at its best.... Or worst? But here is the key: Today. It would be almost without risk to the competitors.....Not so in 1968....back then it was extremely dangerous....bordering on suicidal. The simple facts are plain to see: In terms of human endurance: It was men against the unknown..... Could it even be done? Robin Knox-Johnson proved it could.... But he was only one of nine that even finished. The others fell by the wayside....for a variety of reasons. I think it extremely churlish to suggest that Capitalism killed Donald...... It was more a case of what those times were about: Being the first. Showing ones mettle. A sense of derring-do! Britain with it's fading empire and sense of...we did it before...we can win again...be strong again in the face of adversity. That was the story. That was the MSM hype of the day. (If I recall: Strikes were crippling the country around this time too.)(Strikes influenced by Communist thinking?) Was the Communist way any better in that era? Nah.... they too were obsessed ,as you ably demonstrated, with being "The First" etc Both systems failed its people at various times. Donald may have been a failure at the end..... but at least he "had a go"....In my eyes, he was an honorable one. Where is that spirit today? P.S: And....Should we discuss the following: Communism: The failed experiment system that killed (or murdered?) 100 million people in less than 100 years.
I hope you don't think I took the position that capitalism killed Crowhurst. I thought I made it clear that I reject that premise but it has been a recurring motif of documentary makers and people who have written books on the subject...and the Soviets themselves, who made their own films and books about the man.
@@Rhubba Nothing wrong with your salute. I'm Ex-Navy too: "Shortest way up...longest way down." Corinthian may be Army ??? The opposite I suppose. We all have our foibles. However! Gable is right... your hands were a distraction..... (the cat less so) .... Otherwise.... interesting presentation. Thank you.
Word of advice; if you're going to talk with you hands this much move further back from the camera....it was very distracting. He didn't take his fake logbook and jump off the boat....both logbooks were on the boat when it was found. And while he very likely did jump no one else was there and he didn't leave a specific suicide note so no one knows for sure if he did or if he simply fell overboard. I think he most likely did do it purposely but no one will ever know for sure.
There were four logbooks. 3 were accounted for. Researchers believe the one he took with him had even more incriminating evidence of his deception. The sea conditions were calm on the day they estimated his death took place so suicide was ruled as the most likely scenario, based on the writings in the logbook he used for his writings and poetry.
@@Rhubba Two navigational logs, one real, one fabricated, and a radio log, all found on the boat. Please list the references that point to a fourth logbook because I've never come across that in anything I've read about him. I agree that suicide is the most likely scenario but we'll never know beyond a doubt since no one else was there. It's one of the things that makes the story so interesting I think...
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Chichester didn’t stop a few times. He stopped once in Australia.
liberal capitalism is free of compulsions. its all down to the choices you make.
And Crowhurst made plenty of poor choices.
"in a free, capitalist , liberal society you have the power to say no to things that are unreasonable" really?
Nice video.
Why so many stories?... because we love watching a train wreck !!! Still, very sad...
You make some interesting comparisons and your conclusions are pretty sound.
It wasn't capitalism that killed Crowhurst.... but it was another era..... other aspects failed him as well as his poor choices...
He was on a mission to redeem not only himself, but also revive the family fortunes and be the hero he dreamed of being in the eyes of his family and his peers.
When it was obvious it would all end in disaster...and worse...humiliation..... we can see why he never came home....
With hindsight we can also see the boat was not the future, not a brilliant design and it certainly was not ready for such a challenge.
It needed a shakedown voyage to prove it's weakness's but time did not allow such a luxury and he set sail with grave misgivings. Another poor choice.
But to mention capitalism as a factor is distracting: As you concluded..... Any such future race will be attempted with state-o-the-art vessels, massive backup and all the latest technology.
Surely that would be capitalism at work...with all the propaganda and advertising...like football/soccer across the globe now...a money pit...capitalism at its best.... Or worst?
But here is the key: Today. It would be almost without risk to the competitors.....Not so in 1968....back then it was extremely dangerous....bordering on suicidal.
The simple facts are plain to see: In terms of human endurance: It was men against the unknown..... Could it even be done?
Robin Knox-Johnson proved it could.... But he was only one of nine that even finished. The others fell by the wayside....for a variety of reasons.
I think it extremely churlish to suggest that Capitalism killed Donald...... It was more a case of what those times were about: Being the first. Showing ones mettle. A sense of derring-do!
Britain with it's fading empire and sense of...we did it before...we can win again...be strong again in the face of adversity. That was the story. That was the MSM hype of the day.
(If I recall: Strikes were crippling the country around this time too.)(Strikes influenced by Communist thinking?)
Was the Communist way any better in that era? Nah.... they too were obsessed ,as you ably demonstrated, with being "The First" etc Both systems failed its people at various times.
Donald may have been a failure at the end..... but at least he "had a go"....In my eyes, he was an honorable one. Where is that spirit today?
P.S:
And....Should we discuss the following: Communism: The failed experiment system that killed (or murdered?) 100 million people in less than 100 years.
I hope you don't think I took the position that capitalism killed Crowhurst. I thought I made it clear that I reject that premise but it has been a recurring motif of documentary makers and people who have written books on the subject...and the Soviets themselves, who made their own films and books about the man.
If you must salute , learn to do it properly !
I deliberately did the Royal Navy salute as this was a nautical story. Do keep up at the back.
@@Rhubba Nothing wrong with your salute. I'm Ex-Navy too: "Shortest way up...longest way down."
Corinthian may be Army ??? The opposite I suppose. We all have our foibles.
However!
Gable is right... your hands were a distraction..... (the cat less so) .... Otherwise.... interesting presentation. Thank you.
Word of advice; if you're going to talk with you hands this much move further back from the camera....it was very distracting.
He didn't take his fake logbook and jump off the boat....both logbooks were on the boat when it was found. And while he very likely did jump no one else was there and he didn't leave a specific suicide note so no one knows for sure if he did or if he simply fell overboard. I think he most likely did do it purposely but no one will ever know for sure.
There were four logbooks. 3 were accounted for. Researchers believe the one he took with him had even more incriminating evidence of his deception. The sea conditions were calm on the day they estimated his death took place so suicide was ruled as the most likely scenario, based on the writings in the logbook he used for his writings and poetry.
@@Rhubba Two navigational logs, one real, one fabricated, and a radio log, all found on the boat. Please list the references that point to a fourth logbook because I've never come across that in anything I've read about him.
I agree that suicide is the most likely scenario but we'll never know beyond a doubt since no one else was there. It's one of the things that makes the story so interesting I think...
Don the Con
bit of respect for the family son