One extra benefit of the French press is that once you grasp the coffee to liquid ratios, you can easily alter and vary the number of cups as needed, unlike Moka pots which force you to make a fixed amount of coffee each time. However, aside from Espresso Machines, I agree that Moka pots can provide a richer flavor profile than any other brewing method I've tried.
I have both brewers. Started with the plunger then moved to the Moka pot. I prefer the stronger coffee from the Moka pot. As for the apparatus, it is simplicity itself. I have both the Bialetti Moka and Brikka pots.
I love using the moka pot. I have a french press at work too, just because it's more convenient to use boiling water and make coffee in a french press, but if I'm at home, always moka pot. Doesn't matter if I want to drink it dark, americano, latte, espresso, whatever it is, a full-body coffee taste is always what I'm after. I boil the water first, and then pour it into the moka pot. This helps the coffee taste less bitter because you're not cooking the coffee over the stove while waiting for the water to boil. However, this does mean that the coffee is more under extracted, so I do have to baby it a bit more by taking the moka pot off the stove, put it back on the stove on low, and keep managing it this way. It's not too much work, but it does mean that I have to give it more attention. Pretty much, the coffee should come up and slowly pour out instead of splashing out. If that coffee is splashing out, it's too much heat. Then when it's done, I will run the bottom over cold water. Don't let your coffee sit in the hot pot with hot water when it's done boiling. Cool it down, then pour it out.
Thank you for the info. I do the same thing and at times it still sputters. Can you suggest a better grind setting? I try to grind similar to sea salt. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhatthis is usually due to the seal! Basically make sure both sides of the "seal", ie the lid of the grinds basket, as well as the rubber gasket bottom of the top compartment, are totally free of any grinds or debris. That and make sure to screw it very tight. You will have to hold a towel or potholder around the bottom compartment to screw it tight if you are using hot water. Hope this helps!
Nice comparison. I have both… and also a Gaggia Classic Pro. I love the Gaggia but live in a state that has very hard water and descaling is a beat-down! When I am asked what I recommend between all of them by people seeking my opinion, and they like espresso or strong coffee, I tell them that the Moka Pot is better but not radically so. I also make French Press coffee and it is good. When you have both, you can make coffee in the Moka Pot, then heat milk on the stove top or in the microwave then pour it into the French Press and froth it there by moving the plunger up and down to desired consistency. It isn’t quite what steamed milk is from an espresso machine but is a nice, inexpensive compromise, yielding an enjoyable coffee experience. I think the clean up of both is simple. The French Press goes into the dishwasher. My Moka Pot is stainless steel because I don’t like the powdery finish that develops on the surface of the aluminum Moka Pots over time. I recommend using both as they aren’t expensive to buy. Unless you have a strong desire for an espresso machine and are willing to make the commitment to maintaining it I’d skip that option altogether. ☕️
Very nice video! I use both... the French Press and the Moka Pot. The decision is made by whether I want a very strong coffee or a semi-strong cup and the amount of time I have. The French Press doesn't need watching over. A minute to bloom and 3 minutes to brew. And if you are getting dressed, a minute or so off, will not be catastrophic. With the Moka Pot, you get the closest thing to an Espresso that you can get without going to your savings account. But it does require a little more attention while brewing. and it gives you a nice strong, full-bodied coffee. It has produced some of the finest cups that I have brewed. Both have their own niche and remain in my kitchen, waiting to see what mood I am in that day. Considering you can get both for under $100, why not get both? You can't go wrong!
I just used a Moka Pot for the first time. From using a FP for a few years, I was surprised in the flavors the MP got out of the same coffee I've been using on the FP. A more full mouth experience with notes I hadn't noticed from the FP brew. Thanks for the video and an in depth explanation, I thought I was going nuts on how big a difference it was. 🙏🏻
Well, it seems I'm one of the few who prefer french press. I like testing different combinations of ratio, grind and time of infusion. I think it's a good method to extract the natural sweetness of the coffee. Have to try more moka pot though.
I own a French press, and a moka pot. I also lean more towards the moka pot in terms of flavor. The first moka pot I had melted the rubber handle off from the heat, so I always grab the handle with a cloth to prevent burning my hands, and rinse the outside off with some cold water in my sink to prevent that from happening.
Well done.... I drink both , but I use the Moka pot far more ...just fits my preference. I'll have french press. Now and then ...it took me far longer to get the French press to get right and even now I have trouble getting a consistent brew ...thanks 👍
I do Hoffmann's french press recipe - which is positively sadistic because he doesn't let you plunge - but it has produced the best and most consistent coffee for me.
I am a Moka Pot user. Uffff coffee is a ritual in the morning. Grinding those beans, feeling the rich smell, putting everything so carefully in the moka pot want wait until the first tear go through the moka pot. ahhhhh
i've been using an 800ml french press for about 4 years now and love it. i don't weigh my coffee, just kinda wing it in my hand grinder that i got at the same time so i can now approximate the proper amount and grind size, using a ceramic burr grinder recently got a moka espress and am very much looking forward to experimenting with it with the new steel burr grinder i got with it. i decided to get one at a cost compromise after trying espresso from my sister's espresso machine i tried while on vacation I typically use dark to med-dark roast coffees i get from trade
Got to a stainless steel Alessi, absolutely the best, no effects from heating and using aluminum with an acidic food and durable as hell. I scrub mine with an SOS pad and it's still shiny after every other day use for 3 years. It was designed by an aeronautics engineer.
For under $100 you can get a moka pot for espresso style coffee, a french press for regular coffee and another small press to use as a milk frother. No nasty pods, no maintenance, no waste, no lost counterspace, extremely long life of equipment, and lots of flexibility from ratios and grinds
I switched to moka pot because my glass French press broke. I also like contraptions so I switched to moka pot. Now I just need some fresh bean to perfect my coffee for the weekends.
The french press is useful when you are in a student dorm with only a microwave and you use very hot water to make your coffee if you don't have a stove...(my personal experience!)
French press is probably as light as i'll go. I don't like pour over or drip, which imo is too watery and weak for my taste. I can only drink turkish, espresso, moka pot or french press and the last two are my go to whenever espresso machine isn't around.
How much water and coffee do you add? I was doing 350 grams of water and 30 grams of coffee (which comes out pretty thick and concentrated)but ive seen recipes that call for more water
I have neither as have been using a dolce gusto pod machine for the past few years but want to try ground coffee so want to get one of these. I think the Moka Pot sounds tastier
I think you need both appliances, to be honest, as they have very different purposes. And neither needs to be expensive. Both have stood the test of time, but each has had its moment of fame and popularity over the years. French press coffee is simpler, but it makes a standard ready to drink brew, where a moka (or mock espresso maker), makes a shot of coffee which you then drink in its virgin state as an esperesso, or utilise in making other varieties of coffee. One other thing to consider is that you won't find so many instructional videos on the French press on TH-cam as for the moka pot! It's simplicity itself and won't often let you down. But there is a whole culture around the moka pot and there is oh so much opinion, argument and truly, things that can go wrong with your brew. But for beginners, this is certainly a clear and straightforward demonstration of both methods. And I agree that, for someone starting out in the world of coffee, then go for the French press to begin with.
I Own two Moka pots. A 6cups and a 3 Cups. The 6cups comes out weekly. Sundays when i am entertaining. The 3 Cups like every other week day. I like to have my coffee on the long drive to work so i dilute the 3 cups into 7 or 8 in my thermos to last the drive. Interesting how in spite of the dilute, it is the strength of filter coffee.
Moka pot can make more drinks, much more espresso like and more punchy. French press if you just want good normal drop like coffee. Both are fun and both are better than cheap drip machine.
Thanks! I could not use the moka pot although I love the coffee but I have arthritis n my hand, it is hard and also as you said you have to be there and not to move to another room. Thanks very much for your excellent Video!
@@BrodieVissers I don’t even think it’s the sophistication. I just come to realise I enjoy the taste of tea but doesn’t have the benefits like coffee does, such as instantly waking up and aiding productivity! Also, I came across a Zyliss Mug Cafetière; have you had any experience with it? It seems like a cool little thing!
a beginner question: If I pour less water in the French press, would that make a more concentrated coffee like the moka pot? After all It's all about the water coffee ratios? good video btw.
Hey great question, it is more concentrated, but because it's not using pressure like a Moka pot, the flavour and texture is different. The french press may taste under extracted (sour/salty) if too concentrated because of lack of pressure
I'd say that no . Based on my personal experience , in any case, brewing with a Moka Pot better extracts the beans than a french press due to the pressure.
nice video !!! very informative. I have been using a french press for years, but just started playing with a moka pot. i am enjoying it thus far!!! do yourself a favor though.... oxyclean your moka pot. alll that coffee build up will impact flavoir.
I'd argue Moka pot is much much harder to brew with than French Press, especially for beginners. The brew ratio, temperature and brew time are hard to control especially when talking about beginners. It requires attention when brewing and cleaning it is always a fuss. It also need a good grinder to really shine as you need to grind your beans finely (don't get me started on pre-ground). It takes me longer to figure out how to brew well with the Moka than V60, which might say something about my intelligence but I tend to not think about it
true, i finally learned how to do it properly and the difference is huge, but i always liked the coffee that comes out, it depends what im in the mood for.
I was fortunate to find a basic and inexpensive blade grinder that actually works for small quantities, allowing me to achieve a fairly consistent grind and brew to my own preference using a Moka Pot on a gas stove top. Under these conditions, I'd argue Moka Pots actually have an advantage since their mechanism sets the brew ratio and the brew time, temperature are also fairly consistent.
I realized earlier that the pot sizes are according to espresso cups they can make. If drinking all in one cup the brew you get from a, say, 3-cup pot, you will definitely get bitter coffee. Adding hot water to an espresso shot will be a pleasant cup of Americano. Better tasting than the press😃☕
Thanks for the detailed transfer of knowledge. First time making coffee today using moka pot, and I feel like i drank 6 espressos. My advise, add water and don't drink the whole pot in one.
Concerned by the use of the phrase “moka pot” and instructing to not use espresso grade grinding. It is an espresso maker. It is an espresso coffee maker. The one you are using is a quality italian espresso maker brand 👍. Please revisit. Love French Press coffee; it is full of flavor 😊; love the flavor of the marriage of the beans and water together.
Thanks for your feedback. It is a Moka Pot, no? If you put REAL espresso-ground coffee in here, the coffee will have trouble coming through. But true, depends how you define "espresso" grind.
I just bought a Moka pot yesterday and it taste good but what I was thinking is because it’s made out of aluminum, is it good for you healthwise? They tell you not to cook in aluminum pans which is why I don’t own any. Just wondering.
Hey good question. I'm not an expert on this health-wise, but with a quick search, here's what I found: "The day-to-day exposure to aluminum that you have through your food and cooking is considered safe. This is because healthy people can efficiently excrete the small amounts of aluminum the body absorbs." It's up to you!
I thought I knew something about coffee and preparing coffee but this Moka Pot is new to me. Consider me a beginner. I have a French Press and use it often. I like the flavor and strength of that coffee & ease of use/preparation. Are you saying that Moka Pot coffee is more like an Espresso=stronger and smaller portions?
Yes, it is very close to espresso, but not the exact same. And how the coffee comes out of a moka pot is entirely determined by the quality of the beans (good, dark roasted, oily beans), how much you babysit it and a few other techniques.
The moka pot sizes are according to how many espresso shot/s it can give. Ex. a "3 taza" moka pota = 3 espresso. Just add hot water to an espresso and you get an Americano. Cheers!
Good Job, The French press is the same as Paper filter and you will get very watery testless cheap filter coffee but in other hand, the Moka pot is much better, it work the as same system as espresso machine and gives you testy strong full bodied coffee. By the way, the complexcity and flavour of the coffee detemined by the coffee growing environment, soil and DNA of the coffee beans.
First, I know this video is 2 years old, sorry about the necro posting. ;) But you gotta clean your moka pot better LOL. ;) It's super easy but it needs to happen every time you use it, IMHO. I have a sprayer on my sink so that makes it super easy, just spray it out and let it drip dry. Don't even need soap. I have never tried French Press, but now I am glad I went with the Moka Pot. :)
Does both techniques, affect the caffeine levels?? I would choose the way with more concentration of caffeine, what would you prefer among both of these ?
I'm still getting into the more esoteric brewing methods. I'm new to coffee, so-to-speak. I used to use an old ninja coffee bar, but now I'm using a large french press. However, I also definitely like smoother, thicker drinks. Part of the reason I'm a blasphemous creamer user is just because it makesy coffee...thicc. I've heard the coffee from a moka pot is thicker, and you mentioned it has that thicker, silky mouth feel, but I also really like quantity. I usually make enough to fill a yeti-style cup in the morning, only because I like sipping on the drink all morning. My large press and my machine both make enough, but while I want to try the moka pot (and a siphon), I'm worried that the moka pot cannot fulfil my desire for quantity very well. Is there any moka pots that are large enough to fill...oh, I think my cup holds about two standard coffee cups in it. I don't know how many oz/mL though. The sticker is gone. And I know this is the concentrated stuff like you find in Italy or Cuba, but caffeine is usually rather ineffective on me. I just like the flavor of coffee. I think the only stuff that can even make me feel different is death wish.
My 12 cup (keep in mind the measurement is in Italian "cups" more like 1-2 oz "cups") Alessi Stainless steel moka pot makes enough for me to make 16 oz cold latte's using it, and I get 3 1/2 drinks out of one pot and I probably fill up my 16 oz glass a tiny bit over 1/4 full of the espresso each time and the rest 1/2 & 1/2 and full milk, just cold out of my fridge. It's the same color as the latte I get from Peet's coffee house here in CA, or sometimes even a little darker tan, so it's definitely full flavored. But if you drink your coffee straight, there is not really a pot beyond a Mr. Coffee, coffee maker or the like that's going to give you that quantity in one pot. And there are some tricks with a moka pot to make it thick. Firstly, get a good instant read thermometer. You need to get the coffee in the brew chamber (below the Espresso chamber where the final moka is to drink from) to at least 195-200 F to get good crema for about 4-5 minutes somewhat consistently, but remember, good, oily beans will give you the best crema and low quality beans won't give you much crema, if any. Now the coffee going into the espresso chamber will not be that temp and you can't put the thermometer inside the brew chamber on the bottom, so in my espresso chamber as it comes out is usually between 165-170 F in the espresso chamber and that's the temp where I get the crema, and I feather it back and forth on and off the heat, trying to get it to hoover around that temp starting about 1/4 full in the espresso chamber, until just before it starts spitting the bitter nasty stuff that's blonde colored out when the espresso is to the top of the espresso chamber. I have a bowl or larger pot in the sink full of cold water to plunge the whole moka pot into when that spurting starts. All together, including grinding my beans fresh each day, getting very hot water out to fill the pot, then blooming my grounds, then putting on the stove and baby sitting it, it's about a 20-25 minute ordeal. Yes, it's amazing and I get different flavors out of my Peet's coffee beans than I get even from their espresso out of their multi-thousand dollar machine at the coffee house. Not to say it's better per se, but different in a great way. But not for a time pressed situation.
Because from how you reacted to the moka pot the it seemed to taste good. My ikea koffee has always been really hard on the acid or bitterness depending on roast. And I've changed everything, shorter brew, longer brew, less water, more water, cold water, hot water, light roast, dark roast, finer grind, less fine grind, low hear, medium heat, medium high heat, no filter, aeropress filter, etc.
Hey there, yes I made a few comments in the Picopress vs Nanopresso video if you want to see the dialogue, but currently using a prototype from Wacaco that they sent me, coming soon!
The press and the pot will give different results. Flavor and body wise, drip will even give better result than the press. Letting the coffee, brewed from the moka pot, cool down/sit for some 4 minutes will definitely lose it's crema. Espresso is meant to be taken right away. Room temp water in the moka pot is what I use and not hot water.
This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.
I would say the best natural cleaner for mineral build up is white vinegar or apple cider vinegar. Maybe leave it in a small dish with the valve down to soak over night. And always try to use filtered water for future
French Press: too many particles go through. Moka pot: too much work. My suggestion is to use an electronic Moka pot, that Moka pot will never boil over causing problem.
@@awit7426 Oh I see, no, the Moka cups are never real cup sizes, way to small. To test, measure the coffee grounds you're putting in. My standard is like 15-20g coffee per regular cup of coffee
@@BrodieVissers for example 600ml, there's no way I can drink that many, and seems like leaving it there to sip later isn't good as lukewarm coffee doesn't taste good
@@BrodieVissers i mean when using moka pot, you need to fill the coffee and water up to their supposed levels. I've read that you shouldn't put less of either since the process needs them to be that way. so for 6cups moka pot it would still produce more for one cup, no?
Yeah, I wouldn't use the 1 cup, I believe the one in this video is actually 6 cup. But you have to realize, 1 Italian coffee, even espresso, usually comes from around 7g or so of ground coffee. It's very little
moka pot adverts use the term "cup" but what they mean is an espresso cup, which is about one ounce. so if you use an 8 0z mug or cup of coffee, you need the six cup (six ounce) Moka pot. or maybe even the ten cup (ten ounce) Moka pot.
@@wbh3952 yes I understand the reasoning, but it still looks insanely tiny. Anyhow I've already purchased the 3 cups version, it's perfect. You get about half a cup coffee, which seems just right, not too much, neither too less. If you use a paper filter as well, it really improves the quality of the drink. And, I almost never fill the coffee granules to the top, I vary according to the desired strength, everyone in these videos always fills it up fully, but it's not needed.
@@BrodieVissers but what i did was buy a mok pot with a glass lid... best of both worlds.. can keep an eye on the coffee and if i dropped it, it won't shatter.. but my foot might ...
I like both, and simplicity and usefulness of the French press wins. I can make hot French press coffee (for regular coffee) and use it making cold brew, AND froth milk. On the other hand the Moka pot is for when I don’t want to fire up my espresso maker. For my daily regular cuppa though, pourover is my goto! So many choices, so little time. 😜
I have an Alessi moka pot, stainless steel (the Bialetti stainless is just a thin layer of stainless on aluminum and I scrubbed the "stainless" off after 3 uses, so spend the money to get a durable product). You have to get the temp higher to get the crema using the moka pot. I feather mine, taking it off a medium high heat and putting it back on, so I can maintain the perfect temp to reduce acidity and get a good thick crema layer. I would never use an aluminum moka pot, not only are there studies that point to aluminum contributing to brain diseases, but I can scrub my stainless moka pot clean with an SOS pad and no breakdown of the metal, like if I did that with an aluminum. But keeping the lid down, while the Moka is still warm, gathers the steam on the lid and makes the espresso waterier. But my moka pot is a pain to clean and I have to clean 3 things with tight corners and multiple layers of metal which require a lot of swishing to get rid of the residue between the layers and I hate it for busy mornings. So I was hoping a French Press might give me a closer coffee to a moka pot and be easier to clean, along with the fact that it does not need to be babysat, but it does not look like it. Does anyone have any tricks to make French Press Coffee richer and less watery, because the coffee in his French Press cup looked like gas station coffee to me--yuck?
The moka coffee IN THIS VIDEO is so concentrated compared to the press. Everyone in the comments is asking how to get the same with the press ? Maybe putting more coffee with hotter water ? After all, the water in the moka is boiling.
Thank you for your insights. I'm thinking of buying both. can you share the perfect ratio per cup for both in tbsps ? i don't personally grind beans, i only ask SB to grind it for me tho. thank you
Both will definitely help depending on what type of coffee you like. For Moka, the ratio will be sort of decided for you, just fill the basket. For French press, I like 1:15 ratio, but I don't know what that would be in table spoons. 4 table spoons for about 12 oz of water should work
@@BrodieVissers oooh. i think i would like the concentration of 4tbsp:1.5cups. SB pouches recomm. 2tbsps:1cup but there's always something on the taste can't explain.
Cold brewing in my French Press is always much smoother the next morning if set up last thing at night.. I'm going to compare this to Moka brew to see what I like better; my personal little experiment that someone can do as a video... HINT, HINT Also, is there a process for cold brewing in the Moka pot????
haha, thanks John. I think French Press coldbrew makes sense, but with the Moka it's impossible as it requires heat and steam to push through the grounds and create your brew. I would stick with conventional ways, or search my Coldbrew video if you'd like some new methods to try!
One extra benefit of the French press is that once you grasp the coffee to liquid ratios, you can easily alter and vary the number of cups as needed, unlike Moka pots which force you to make a fixed amount of coffee each time.
However, aside from Espresso Machines, I agree that Moka pots can provide a richer flavor profile than any other brewing method I've tried.
yesnt i have done for 1,5 cup on a 3 cup moka but yeah, its true
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How do you not have more subscribers? Your videography and audio are beautifully well done and the content matter is on point. Top notch!
Awe thank you, that means a lot :)
Totally agreed
I have both brewers. Started with the plunger then moved to the Moka pot. I prefer the stronger coffee from the Moka pot. As for the apparatus, it is simplicity itself. I have both the Bialetti Moka and Brikka pots.
Nice! What do you feel is the main difference with the Brikka?
Brikka user too. Excellent device.
I love using the moka pot. I have a french press at work too, just because it's more convenient to use boiling water and make coffee in a french press, but if I'm at home, always moka pot. Doesn't matter if I want to drink it dark, americano, latte, espresso, whatever it is, a full-body coffee taste is always what I'm after. I boil the water first, and then pour it into the moka pot. This helps the coffee taste less bitter because you're not cooking the coffee over the stove while waiting for the water to boil. However, this does mean that the coffee is more under extracted, so I do have to baby it a bit more by taking the moka pot off the stove, put it back on the stove on low, and keep managing it this way. It's not too much work, but it does mean that I have to give it more attention. Pretty much, the coffee should come up and slowly pour out instead of splashing out. If that coffee is splashing out, it's too much heat. Then when it's done, I will run the bottom over cold water. Don't let your coffee sit in the hot pot with hot water when it's done boiling. Cool it down, then pour it out.
Thank you for the info. I do the same thing and at times it still sputters. Can you suggest a better grind setting? I try to grind similar to sea salt. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhatthis is usually due to the seal! Basically make sure both sides of the "seal", ie the lid of the grinds basket, as well as the rubber gasket bottom of the top compartment, are totally free of any grinds or debris. That and make sure to screw it very tight. You will have to hold a towel or potholder around the bottom compartment to screw it tight if you are using hot water. Hope this helps!
Nice comparison. I have both… and also a Gaggia Classic Pro. I love the Gaggia but live in a state that has very hard water and descaling is a beat-down! When I am asked what I recommend between all of them by people seeking my opinion, and they like espresso or strong coffee, I tell them that the Moka Pot is better but not radically so. I also make French Press coffee and it is good. When you have both, you can make coffee in the Moka Pot, then heat milk on the stove top or in the microwave then pour it into the French Press and froth it there by moving the plunger up and down to desired consistency. It isn’t quite what steamed milk is from an espresso machine but is a nice, inexpensive compromise, yielding an enjoyable coffee experience. I think the clean up of both is simple. The French Press goes into the dishwasher. My Moka Pot is stainless steel because I don’t like the powdery finish that develops on the surface of the aluminum Moka Pots over time. I recommend using both as they aren’t expensive to buy. Unless you have a strong desire for an espresso machine and are willing to make the commitment to maintaining it I’d skip that option altogether. ☕️
Your presentation confirms my experience. Well done. 🎉
Very nice video! I use both... the French Press and the Moka Pot. The decision is made by whether I want a very strong coffee or a semi-strong cup and the amount of time I have. The French Press doesn't need watching over. A minute to bloom and 3 minutes to brew. And if you are getting dressed, a minute or so off, will not be catastrophic. With the Moka Pot, you get the closest thing to an Espresso that you can get without going to your savings account. But it does require a little more attention while brewing. and it gives you a nice strong, full-bodied coffee. It has produced some of the finest cups that I have brewed. Both have their own niche and remain in my kitchen, waiting to see what mood I am in that day. Considering you can get both for under $100, why not get both? You can't go wrong!
haha, you're so right, they're both very affordable and offer quite different results. Glad you're liking them!
I use the french press for making milkfoam mostly. Moka is the strong coffee i drink mostly. But i also like the v60. 1:15.
Always been an aeropress fan but the more I learn about and use the Moka pot the more I appreciate it. Thank you for your video.
I just used a Moka Pot for the first time. From using a FP for a few years, I was surprised in the flavors the MP got out of the same coffee I've been using on the FP. A more full mouth experience with notes I hadn't noticed from the FP brew. Thanks for the video and an in depth explanation, I thought I was going nuts on how big a difference it was. 🙏🏻
Well, it seems I'm one of the few who prefer french press. I like testing different combinations of ratio, grind and time of infusion. I think it's a good method to extract the natural sweetness of the coffee. Have to try more moka pot though.
This is a really well made video! Both in terms of audio, visual quality, and also the general presentation/comparison was very well done!
I own a French press, and a moka pot. I also lean more towards the moka pot in terms of flavor. The first moka pot I had melted the rubber handle off from the heat, so I always grab the handle with a cloth to prevent burning my hands, and rinse the outside off with some cold water in my sink to prevent that from happening.
Well done.... I drink both , but I use the Moka pot far more ...just fits my preference. I'll have french press. Now and then ...it took me far longer to get the French press to get right and even now I have trouble getting a consistent brew ...thanks 👍
hey thanks for the input Glenn! I also struggle to get a consistent brew with the French Press, truthfully not my fav. All the best!
I do Hoffmann's french press recipe - which is positively sadistic because he doesn't let you plunge - but it has produced the best and most consistent coffee for me.
I am a Moka Pot user. Uffff coffee is a ritual in the morning. Grinding those beans, feeling the rich smell, putting everything so carefully in the moka pot want wait until the first tear go through the moka pot. ahhhhh
i've been using an 800ml french press for about 4 years now and love it. i don't weigh my coffee, just kinda wing it in my hand grinder that i got at the same time so i can now approximate the proper amount and grind size, using a ceramic burr grinder
recently got a moka espress and am very much looking forward to experimenting with it with the new steel burr grinder i got with it. i decided to get one at a cost compromise after trying espresso from my sister's espresso machine i tried while on vacation
I typically use dark to med-dark roast coffees i get from trade
I've always found French Press coffee too watery.
Love my Moka Pot.
you need both. the press is great for tea and other stuff too. but a mokka pot is a must.
I just found out about the brikka, i want to try one.
Got to a stainless steel Alessi, absolutely the best, no effects from heating and using aluminum with an acidic food and durable as hell. I scrub mine with an SOS pad and it's still shiny after every other day use for 3 years. It was designed by an aeronautics engineer.
For under $100 you can get a moka pot for espresso style coffee, a french press for regular coffee and another small press to use as a milk frother. No nasty pods, no maintenance, no waste, no lost counterspace, extremely long life of equipment, and lots of flexibility from ratios and grinds
Nicely done! Now I need to make a coffee ☕️
Remember how I taught you ;)
I use a french press and I love. But a brew at a 1:10. I am thinking about getting a moka pot. Great video. Congrats
Thanks Gabriel! yeah 1:10 might be a bit strong but if you like it, go for it :)
Thank you, i broke my moka pot today ( i have it since 10 years ago) and i wanted to buy a new coffee machine and this helped
Oh good to hear! well the Moka is maybe one of the most durable of the two, but hope you can find more success with it
If you use a Brikka Moka pot you get a lot more crema on it. Great review thanks!
Good feedback, thanks!
I switched to moka pot because my glass French press broke. I also like contraptions so I switched to moka pot. Now I just need some fresh bean to perfect my coffee for the weekends.
The french press is useful when you are in a student dorm with only a microwave and you use very hot water to make your coffee if you don't have a stove...(my personal experience!)
Mocha pot gives you a way more strong coffee. We usually drink it after we add some water or milk.
Real details dif. 👏
I have a Keurig Mini, a pour over, and a French press. The last two are my favorites. Haven't tried a moka pot yet.
Throw the Keurig away. Just a thought!
Nice detained video. Thanks. Underrated channel. All the very best for the future.
Appreciate it! Nice to have you along :)
French press is probably as light as i'll go. I don't like pour over or drip, which imo is too watery and weak for my taste. I can only drink turkish, espresso, moka pot or french press and the last two are my go to whenever espresso machine isn't around.
How much water and coffee do you add? I was doing 350 grams of water and 30 grams of coffee (which comes out pretty thick and concentrated)but ive seen recipes that call for more water
I have neither as have been using a dolce gusto pod machine for the past few years but want to try ground coffee so want to get one of these. I think the Moka Pot sounds tastier
I use either a 12 or 13:1 ratio for the French press and it gets the thicker silkier texture!
Wonderful review... that's what exactly I was looking for !
Nothing beats the bialetti, trust the italian method.
I just got the Dolce one for Mother's Day. Haven't used one in years and I can't wait!!
Thank you! Oh!.. I'll try to mix them!..😊
I think you need both appliances, to be honest, as they have very different purposes. And neither needs to be expensive. Both have stood the test of time, but each has had its moment of fame and popularity over the years. French press coffee is simpler, but it makes a standard ready to drink brew, where a moka (or mock espresso maker), makes a shot of coffee which you then drink in its virgin state as an esperesso, or utilise in making other varieties of coffee. One other thing to consider is that you won't find so many instructional videos on the French press on TH-cam as for the moka pot! It's simplicity itself and won't often let you down. But there is a whole culture around the moka pot and there is oh so much opinion, argument and truly, things that can go wrong with your brew. But for beginners, this is certainly a clear and straightforward demonstration of both methods. And I agree that, for someone starting out in the world of coffee, then go for the French press to begin with.
Thanks for your feedback! Yeah, I started with French press honestly, then went to Moka pot.. but of course there are many more to explore
I Own two Moka pots. A 6cups and a 3 Cups. The 6cups comes out weekly. Sundays when i am entertaining. The 3 Cups like every other week day. I like to have my coffee on the long drive to work so i dilute the 3 cups into 7 or 8 in my thermos to last the drive. Interesting how in spite of the dilute, it is the strength of filter coffee.
Yes that makes perfect sense that it’s the strength of filter coffee :). Kind of like a moka americano!
Moka pot can make more drinks, much more espresso like and more punchy. French press if you just want good normal drop like coffee. Both are fun and both are better than cheap drip machine.
Nice Video. What size Moka Pot are you using?...Subbed
Thanks! I could not use the moka pot although I love the coffee but I have arthritis n my hand, it is hard and also as you said you have to be there and not to move to another room. Thanks very much for your excellent Video!
I’m sorry to hear that! What’s the hardest part, is there a way that could make it easier for you?
Also it makes a big difference what kind of coffee you use and how much grinding !
Very good introduction to these devices. I’m an avid tea drinker. However, I’ve grown love for coffee. Am I finally growing up?
I almost feel tea is more sophisticated, haha.
@@BrodieVissers I don’t even think it’s the sophistication. I just come to realise I enjoy the taste of tea but doesn’t have the benefits like coffee does, such as instantly waking up and aiding productivity! Also, I came across a Zyliss Mug Cafetière; have you had any experience with it? It seems like a cool little thing!
Moka. I've had one for about 10 years wouldn't be without it.
It's a classic!
I own 2 stainless steel Moka pots. They are available and highly recommended.
Good suggestion! I'll keep an eye out.
Stainless pots are much easier to clean
Lucky me I have both ones 😊 delicious coffee
These are my favorite ways to brew coffee - I can not see pitting them against each other.
a beginner question: If I pour less water in the French press, would that make a more concentrated coffee like the moka pot? After all It's all about the water coffee ratios? good video btw.
Hey great question, it is more concentrated, but because it's not using pressure like a Moka pot, the flavour and texture is different. The french press may taste under extracted (sour/salty) if too concentrated because of lack of pressure
I'd say that no . Based on my personal experience , in any case, brewing with a Moka Pot better extracts the beans than a french press due to the pressure.
Greats comparison video. Thanks.
Good video, enjoyed it. Would like to see the more in depth video you mentioned making in the future about the moka pot and french press, too.
nice video !!! very informative. I have been using a french press for years, but just started playing with a moka pot. i am enjoying it thus far!!! do yourself a favor though.... oxyclean your moka pot. alll that coffee build up will impact flavoir.
Useful video!! ❤❤
I'd argue Moka pot is much much harder to brew with than French Press, especially for beginners. The brew ratio, temperature and brew time are hard to control especially when talking about beginners. It requires attention when brewing and cleaning it is always a fuss. It also need a good grinder to really shine as you need to grind your beans finely (don't get me started on pre-ground).
It takes me longer to figure out how to brew well with the Moka than V60, which might say something about my intelligence but I tend to not think about it
true, i finally learned how to do it properly and the difference is huge, but i always liked the coffee that comes out, it depends what im in the mood for.
french press can brew colder. so better when you brew more at a time, and mokka for single or doubles
I was fortunate to find a basic and inexpensive blade grinder that actually works for small quantities, allowing me to achieve a fairly consistent grind and brew to my own preference using a Moka Pot on a gas stove top. Under these conditions, I'd argue Moka Pots actually have an advantage since their mechanism sets the brew ratio and the brew time, temperature are also fairly consistent.
I have both! But I don’t make good Moka Pot. I want to, but it always turns out bitter. I will try your method
I realized earlier that the pot sizes are according to espresso cups they can make. If drinking all in one cup the brew you get from a, say, 3-cup pot, you will definitely get bitter coffee. Adding hot water to an espresso shot will be a pleasant cup of Americano. Better tasting than the press😃☕
Thanks for the detailed transfer of knowledge. First time making coffee today using moka pot, and I feel like i drank 6 espressos. My advise, add water and don't drink the whole pot in one.
Oh wow haha, yeah it totally depends what size your moka pot is, but definitely test it out for yourself lol. Thanks Mohamed!
Great video. Super informative. Thank you ✨️
Thanks for the feedback!
Concerned by the use of the phrase “moka pot” and instructing to not use espresso grade grinding. It is an espresso maker. It is an espresso coffee maker. The one you are using is a quality italian espresso maker brand 👍. Please revisit. Love French Press coffee; it is full of flavor 😊; love the flavor of the marriage of the beans and water together.
Thanks for your feedback. It is a Moka Pot, no? If you put REAL espresso-ground coffee in here, the coffee will have trouble coming through. But true, depends how you define "espresso" grind.
I just bought a Moka pot yesterday and it taste good but what I was thinking is because it’s made out of aluminum, is it good for you healthwise? They tell you not to cook in aluminum pans which is why I don’t own any. Just wondering.
Hey good question. I'm not an expert on this health-wise, but with a quick search, here's what I found: "The day-to-day exposure to aluminum that you have through your food and cooking is considered safe. This is because healthy people can efficiently excrete the small amounts of aluminum the body absorbs." It's up to you!
@@BrodieVissers thank you! 😃
No. They sell steal versions. Return it. Read The Plant Paradox if you want to live a long, healthy life.
My technique for French press, is to put tea instead of coffee
For coffee I use a moka pot
Brilliant video
Even just looking at the appearance, the Moka looks much more delicious
I thought I knew something about coffee and preparing coffee but this Moka Pot is new to me. Consider me a beginner. I have a French Press and use it often. I like the flavor and strength of that coffee & ease of use/preparation.
Are you saying that Moka Pot coffee is more like an Espresso=stronger and smaller portions?
Yes, that's right :) smaller amount, more concentrated
Yes, it is very close to espresso, but not the exact same. And how the coffee comes out of a moka pot is entirely determined by the quality of the beans (good, dark roasted, oily beans), how much you babysit it and a few other techniques.
I drink 1 full mug of Moka pot each morning. I believe it’s 5 or 6 cup Moka pot. Which makes ~ slightly
The moka pot sizes are according to how many espresso shot/s it can give. Ex. a "3 taza" moka pota = 3 espresso. Just add hot water to an espresso and you get an Americano. Cheers!
Simply explained: if you like it simply, go for the French Cafe press, the Italian Moka Cafe pot if you like it sustancial.
Thanks for your sharing Moka pot and fresh press ☕️☕️☕️🧑🏽🦼
Good Job, The French press is the same as Paper filter and you will get very watery testless cheap filter coffee but in other hand, the Moka pot is much better, it work the as same system as espresso machine and gives you testy strong full bodied coffee. By the way, the complexcity and flavour of the coffee detemined by the coffee growing environment, soil and DNA of the coffee beans.
Very good point, good coffee goes a very long way, no matter the brewer
First, I know this video is 2 years old, sorry about the necro posting. ;) But you gotta clean your moka pot better LOL. ;) It's super easy but it needs to happen every time you use it, IMHO. I have a sprayer on my sink so that makes it super easy, just spray it out and let it drip dry. Don't even need soap.
I have never tried French Press, but now I am glad I went with the Moka Pot. :)
Does both techniques, affect the caffeine levels?? I would choose the way with more concentration of caffeine, what would you prefer among both of these ?
well technically, the french press may have more caffeine, but the moka would be more concentrated... so depends what your end goal is.
The lighter the roast the more caffeine. Roasting coffee removes caffeine. But yes, also concentration affects the level too.
Thanks for comparison
I'm still getting into the more esoteric brewing methods. I'm new to coffee, so-to-speak. I used to use an old ninja coffee bar, but now I'm using a large french press. However, I also definitely like smoother, thicker drinks. Part of the reason I'm a blasphemous creamer user is just because it makesy coffee...thicc. I've heard the coffee from a moka pot is thicker, and you mentioned it has that thicker, silky mouth feel, but I also really like quantity. I usually make enough to fill a yeti-style cup in the morning, only because I like sipping on the drink all morning. My large press and my machine both make enough, but while I want to try the moka pot (and a siphon), I'm worried that the moka pot cannot fulfil my desire for quantity very well. Is there any moka pots that are large enough to fill...oh, I think my cup holds about two standard coffee cups in it. I don't know how many oz/mL though. The sticker is gone. And I know this is the concentrated stuff like you find in Italy or Cuba, but caffeine is usually rather ineffective on me. I just like the flavor of coffee. I think the only stuff that can even make me feel different is death wish.
Hey, there are larger sized mokapots available on Amazon!
Honestly, I would just recommend a Picopresso or Nanopresso if you want espresso while camping.
My 12 cup (keep in mind the measurement is in Italian "cups" more like 1-2 oz "cups") Alessi Stainless steel moka pot makes enough for me to make 16 oz cold latte's using it, and I get 3 1/2 drinks out of one pot and I probably fill up my 16 oz glass a tiny bit over 1/4 full of the espresso each time and the rest 1/2 & 1/2 and full milk, just cold out of my fridge. It's the same color as the latte I get from Peet's coffee house here in CA, or sometimes even a little darker tan, so it's definitely full flavored.
But if you drink your coffee straight, there is not really a pot beyond a Mr. Coffee, coffee maker or the like that's going to give you that quantity in one pot. And there are some tricks with a moka pot to make it thick.
Firstly, get a good instant read thermometer. You need to get the coffee in the brew chamber (below the Espresso chamber where the final moka is to drink from) to at least 195-200 F to get good crema for about 4-5 minutes somewhat consistently, but remember, good, oily beans will give you the best crema and low quality beans won't give you much crema, if any.
Now the coffee going into the espresso chamber will not be that temp and you can't put the thermometer inside the brew chamber on the bottom, so in my espresso chamber as it comes out is usually between 165-170 F in the espresso chamber and that's the temp where I get the crema, and I feather it back and forth on and off the heat, trying to get it to hoover around that temp starting about 1/4 full in the espresso chamber, until just before it starts spitting the bitter nasty stuff that's blonde colored out when the espresso is to the top of the espresso chamber. I have a bowl or larger pot in the sink full of cold water to plunge the whole moka pot into when that spurting starts. All together, including grinding my beans fresh each day, getting very hot water out to fill the pot, then blooming my grounds, then putting on the stove and baby sitting it, it's about a 20-25 minute ordeal. Yes, it's amazing and I get different flavors out of my Peet's coffee beans than I get even from their espresso out of their multi-thousand dollar machine at the coffee house. Not to say it's better per se, but different in a great way. But not for a time pressed situation.
Cowboy coffee for the win
For French press , boiling water is used , right ?
Do you recommend a stainless or glass French press? Your thoughts on an electric Moka pot? This is all new to me. Thanks!
just get a bodum and a baialetti.
May I suggest a video idea?
Ikea Moka Pot vs Bialetti Moka Pot. I'd guess the french press from ikea is the same as any other.
Because from how you reacted to the moka pot the it seemed to taste good.
My ikea koffee has always been really hard on the acid or bitterness depending on roast. And I've changed everything, shorter brew, longer brew, less water, more water, cold water, hot water, light roast, dark roast, finer grind, less fine grind, low hear, medium heat, medium high heat, no filter, aeropress filter, etc.
Hey nice idea! I’ll look into it :) hopefully help some more people out
Hey Brodie, just wondering if you can tell me what grinder you used (or can recommend ) for the Picopresso? Thanks
Hey there, yes I made a few comments in the Picopress vs Nanopresso video if you want to see the dialogue, but currently using a prototype from Wacaco that they sent me, coming soon!
The press and the pot will give different results. Flavor and body wise, drip will even give better result than the press. Letting the coffee, brewed from the moka pot, cool down/sit for some 4 minutes will definitely lose it's crema. Espresso is meant to be taken right away. Room temp water in the moka pot is what I use and not hot water.
For me, the moka is better.
This is our second K-Classic. We had our first one for many years, so when we had to replace it, we wanted nothing else but this exact th-cam.com/users/postUgkxBrV-RbF5Nk0Rlt9i15aao-YMzqzTG8Vf model. We use it for about three people everyday in the morning. The taste and quick brew is one of the reasons we like it so much. There are so many choices of brands of coffee that we would grab what was on sale and test the different brands from there. I would definitely recommend trying different brands of coffee to find the ones you like the most because there are brands that quite frankly taste horrible.
Why the hell is it so hard to get the replacement rubber gasket and aluminum filters for this 6 cup product-the one you own?
Hey I think it depends where you live. I see them in pretty much every “dollar store” here in barcelona. Probably try Amazon? Let me know!
@@BrodieVissers Amazon for sure! All sizes.
For the moka pot does anyone have a recomendation on how to clean any mineral build up on the valve?
I would say the best natural cleaner for mineral build up is white vinegar or apple cider vinegar. Maybe leave it in a small dish with the valve down to soak over night.
And always try to use filtered water for future
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Thanks
Una fa il più grande caffè del mondo! L' altra fa acqua marrone!!! 🇮🇹👍🤣
French Press: too many particles go through. Moka pot: too much work. My suggestion is to use an electronic Moka pot, that Moka pot will never boil over causing problem.
I use my french press as a frother nowadays 😂
Compare com a Brikka bialeti
Very instructive but that background music spoils the listening pleasure
Moka pot ❤
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I love ittttt
question here, since mokapot needs to be filled (water and coffee). what do you use on the excess coffee you made? seems quite a waste
I’m not sure what you mean? I drink all the coffee I make :)
@@BrodieVissers well i mean if it says 6 cups, and there's only me. do i have to drink all 6 cups?
@@awit7426 Oh I see, no, the Moka cups are never real cup sizes, way to small. To test, measure the coffee grounds you're putting in. My standard is like 15-20g coffee per regular cup of coffee
@@BrodieVissers for example 600ml, there's no way I can drink that many, and seems like leaving it there to sip later isn't good as lukewarm coffee doesn't taste good
@@BrodieVissers i mean when using moka pot, you need to fill the coffee and water up to their supposed levels. I've read that you shouldn't put less of either since the process needs them to be that way.
so for 6cups moka pot it would still produce more for one cup, no?
For one person, do you use 1 cup moka pot or a 3 cup moka pot? The one cup version looks extremely tiny in pictures.
Yeah, I wouldn't use the 1 cup, I believe the one in this video is actually 6 cup. But you have to realize, 1 Italian coffee, even espresso, usually comes from around 7g or so of ground coffee. It's very little
moka pot adverts use the term "cup" but what they mean is an espresso cup, which is about one ounce. so if you use an 8 0z mug or cup of coffee, you need the six cup (six ounce) Moka pot. or maybe even the ten cup (ten ounce) Moka pot.
@@wbh3952 yes I understand the reasoning, but it still looks insanely tiny. Anyhow I've already purchased the 3 cups version, it's perfect. You get about half a cup coffee, which seems just right, not too much, neither too less.
If you use a paper filter as well, it really improves the quality of the drink. And, I almost never fill the coffee granules to the top, I vary according to the desired strength, everyone in these videos always fills it up fully, but it's not needed.
moka pot doesn't break when dropped, the caffetiere however, well, that will crack...
It's true, there's the glass vs metal dilemma
@@BrodieVissers but what i did was buy a mok pot with a glass lid... best of both worlds.. can keep an eye on the coffee and if i dropped it, it won't shatter.. but my foot might ...
you know you’re a coffee addict when you weigh coffee in grams
I like both, and simplicity and usefulness of the French press wins. I can make hot French press coffee (for regular coffee) and use it making cold brew, AND froth milk. On the other hand the Moka pot is for when I don’t want to fire up my espresso maker. For my daily regular cuppa though, pourover is my goto! So many choices, so little time. 😜
Moka pot hands down. The steam extracts every last drop of coffee. The press is rubbish.
bad french press won’t filter well, bad moka pot will explode hot coffee
TLDR; Its french, how COULD it be better than the Italian? 🥴🤨
Everyone will have a stove so it's not a good big for using the Moka pot haha.
I have an Alessi moka pot, stainless steel (the Bialetti stainless is just a thin layer of stainless on aluminum and I scrubbed the "stainless" off after 3 uses, so spend the money to get a durable product). You have to get the temp higher to get the crema using the moka pot. I feather mine, taking it off a medium high heat and putting it back on, so I can maintain the perfect temp to reduce acidity and get a good thick crema layer. I would never use an aluminum moka pot, not only are there studies that point to aluminum contributing to brain diseases, but I can scrub my stainless moka pot clean with an SOS pad and no breakdown of the metal, like if I did that with an aluminum. But keeping the lid down, while the Moka is still warm, gathers the steam on the lid and makes the espresso waterier. But my moka pot is a pain to clean and I have to clean 3 things with tight corners and multiple layers of metal which require a lot of swishing to get rid of the residue between the layers and I hate it for busy mornings. So I was hoping a French Press might give me a closer coffee to a moka pot and be easier to clean, along with the fact that it does not need to be babysat, but it does not look like it. Does anyone have any tricks to make French Press Coffee richer and less watery, because the coffee in his French Press cup looked like gas station coffee to me--yuck?
The moka coffee IN THIS VIDEO is so concentrated compared to the press. Everyone in the comments is asking how to get the same with the press ?
Maybe putting more coffee with hotter water ? After all, the water in the moka is boiling.
Thank you for your insights. I'm thinking of buying both. can you share the perfect ratio per cup for both in tbsps ? i don't personally grind beans, i only ask SB to grind it for me tho. thank you
Both will definitely help depending on what type of coffee you like. For Moka, the ratio will be sort of decided for you, just fill the basket. For French press, I like 1:15 ratio, but I don't know what that would be in table spoons. 4 table spoons for about 12 oz of water should work
@@BrodieVissers oooh. i think i would like the concentration of 4tbsp:1.5cups. SB pouches recomm. 2tbsps:1cup but there's always something on the taste can't explain.
@@BrodieVissers thanks tho bro
Cold brewing in my French Press is always much smoother the next morning if set up last thing at night.. I'm going to compare this to Moka brew to see what I like better; my personal little experiment that someone can do as a video... HINT, HINT Also, is there a process for cold brewing in the Moka pot????
haha, thanks John. I think French Press coldbrew makes sense, but with the Moka it's impossible as it requires heat and steam to push through the grounds and create your brew. I would stick with conventional ways, or search my Coldbrew video if you'd like some new methods to try!
95°? Your American, speak like it!