I hear this all the time from every oil paint comparison, that student grade oil paint has more “filler” and less pigment. But never say what is filler? Does anyone know for sure what filler is?
@@Gjb0807 great question, I am currently traveling abroad so I don’t have access to my books to give you a precise answer, I will come back to you as soon as I am back to the studio in a few days. What I can tell you from memory is that there are many different types of fillers used by manufacturers to extend the pigment without altering the colors. It’s usually a powder, the cheaper the better for them, used to extend the pigment. Thank you for your valuable question 🙏🏻
@Gjb0807 so fillers are inert ingredients, or extenders, that are usually white or near-white pigments with extremely low color power. These can be Chalk, Talc or Steatite for example. They are mixed into the pigment to extend, to bulk up paint. Since they are cheaper than the color pigment itself, it’s common to find them in Student Grade oil paint. Source: The Oil Painter’s Color Handbook by Todd M. Casey
French, here: look for promotions & check prices at different retail stores if a choice in your city or, online. Price differences can be wild including on sites advertized as "discounts" which, they are not at all! The fall & winter are the sales seasons for acrylic & oils, spring & summer for watercolor. (So far, I've bought everything 25-30% off.)
Important to keep in mind. All this varies from pigment to pigment. Some pigments like PG7 are so powerful that they are even in the premium paints are a small part of the content of your paint. And in those cases even premium paints have very large filler loads (because ifyou used only oil and pigment you would end up with a very liquid paint). So on very powerful tinting and cheap pigments there is very little to no difference between professional and student grade content. What you will find is a better quality control and paints better mixed with the oil. The pigment to filler ratio is more relevant and a real difference betwen student and artist grade only on more expensive or less powerful pigments.
Very good to hear your experience. I’m researching to buy my first oil paint. Self study here.😄 Im not sure if I should go for Winton or Van Gogh. In my country Winton is quite cheaper. However I saw that Van Gogh is quite buttery n can simply paint straight from the tube. Which one do you like more n recommend to newbie? Thank you 😇
@@minnami778 starting is very exciting! Well I would say that both are nice to work with. It always depends on the pigment, but I felt both were pretty buttery. I think I liked Van Gogh a little more, but Winton is really nice too. If the price difference is big, go for the cheapest to start. If almost similar, follow your instinct 🙏🏻 enjoy painting ❤️
@@marcjasi thank you very much for a prompt reply. Yes, it’s very exciting as I paint only digitally n now want to try traditional oil paint 🎨 I like your art n it’s very interesting to see an artist’s journey. Enjoy painting 😊
Not really a fair comparison. The Van Gogh yellow color is rated semi transparent and the old holland is cadmium which is well known as the most opaque yellow. But I enjoy your videos anyway.
I think that Talens offers a real student line - Amsterdam. »Van Gogh« has a lot of real cadmiuns (3x yellow and 3x red) and a real cobalt blue (PB28). And you can get them in 200ml tubes! If you start painting large and bold, »Van Gogh« would be a good choice, if you want to save some euros.
@@neophron25 if i am not mistaken, Amsterdam is their student acrylic line. Yes you are right, Van Gogh oil student grade offers some real cadmium colors! Great information, thank you 🙏🏻
But it is important to know what you can or cannot get that really clean orange, for exemple. I started with small tubes if good pigments then bought bigger tubes if cheaper paint because I can evaluate the limitations of my material (i'm a beginner).
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I hear this all the time from every oil paint comparison, that student grade oil paint has more “filler” and less pigment. But never say what is filler? Does anyone know for sure what filler is?
@@Gjb0807 great question, I am currently traveling abroad so I don’t have access to my books to give you a precise answer, I will come back to you as soon as I am back to the studio in a few days. What I can tell you from memory is that there are many different types of fillers used by manufacturers to extend the pigment without altering the colors. It’s usually a powder, the cheaper the better for them, used to extend the pigment. Thank you for your valuable question 🙏🏻
@Gjb0807 so fillers are inert ingredients, or extenders, that are usually white or near-white pigments with extremely low color power. These can be Chalk, Talc or Steatite for example. They are mixed into the pigment to extend, to bulk up paint. Since they are cheaper than the color pigment itself, it’s common to find them in Student Grade oil paint. Source: The Oil Painter’s Color Handbook by Todd M. Casey
French, here: look for promotions & check prices at different retail stores if a choice in your city or, online. Price differences can be wild including on sites advertized as "discounts" which, they are not at all!
The fall & winter are the sales seasons for acrylic & oils, spring & summer for watercolor.
(So far, I've bought everything 25-30% off.)
Great comment, very informative 🙏🏼 merci
Very informative, and straight to the point! Invaluable tips from sharing your experience, I will keep them in mind when researching new paint 👏👏
Thank you 🙏🏼 for your feedback!
Important to keep in mind. All this varies from pigment to pigment. Some pigments like PG7 are so powerful that they are even in the premium paints are a small part of the content of your paint. And in those cases even premium paints have very large filler loads (because ifyou used only oil and pigment you would end up with a very liquid paint). So on very powerful tinting and cheap pigments there is very little to no difference between professional and student grade content. What you will find is a better quality control and paints better mixed with the oil.
The pigment to filler ratio is more relevant and a real difference betwen student and artist grade only on more expensive or less powerful pigments.
Thank you for these valuable information 🙏🏼
Very good to hear your experience. I’m researching to buy my first oil paint. Self study here.😄 Im not sure if I should go for Winton or Van Gogh. In my country Winton is quite cheaper. However I saw that Van Gogh is quite buttery n can simply paint straight from the tube. Which one do you like more n recommend to newbie? Thank you 😇
@@minnami778 starting is very exciting! Well I would say that both are nice to work with. It always depends on the pigment, but I felt both were pretty buttery. I think I liked Van Gogh a little more, but Winton is really nice too. If the price difference is big, go for the cheapest to start. If almost similar, follow your instinct 🙏🏻 enjoy painting ❤️
@@marcjasi thank you very much for a prompt reply. Yes, it’s very exciting as I paint only digitally n now want to try traditional oil paint 🎨 I like your art n it’s very interesting to see an artist’s journey. Enjoy painting 😊
@@minnami778 sure, I am here to help, my pleasure 🙏🏻 thank you
Not really a fair comparison. The Van Gogh yellow color is rated semi transparent and the old holland is cadmium which is well known as the most opaque yellow. But I enjoy your videos anyway.
You meant the Rembrandt Cadmium. This is such a great point! Thank you for your comment. I wish I would’ve noticed that at the time of recording.
I think that Talens offers a real student line - Amsterdam. »Van Gogh« has a lot of real cadmiuns (3x yellow and 3x red) and a real cobalt blue (PB28). And you can get them in 200ml tubes!
If you start painting large and bold, »Van Gogh« would be a good choice, if you want to save some euros.
@@neophron25 if i am not mistaken, Amsterdam is their student acrylic line. Yes you are right, Van Gogh oil student grade offers some real cadmium colors! Great information, thank you 🙏🏻
If u good at ur painting, anything u use will be great
But it is important to know what you can or cannot get that really clean orange, for exemple. I started with small tubes if good pigments then bought bigger tubes if cheaper paint because I can evaluate the limitations of my material (i'm a beginner).
While this can be true, it is important in my opinion to know and understand your materials, specially for archival reasons.