We Put $7600 Suspension on our Yamaha YZ450F
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
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This Week in MXA, episode 156, presented by O'Neal Racing, highlights MX-Tech suspension's $7600 suspension kit which encompasses their complete National shock (tuned for your speed and size), complete set of Blackjack forks (tuned for your speed and size), a titanium front axle and a set of Luxon MX Gen 3 Pro triple clamps, which come with two steering stems, allowing you to adjust between four different offset positions. MXA test riders, Josh Fout and Shawn Bushnell spent time testing with MX-Tech on our 2024 Yamaha YZ450F and testing will continue on this project. Also, in this episode we highlight the upcoming PanicRev camp at Barona Oaks in San Diego, January 1st through the 3rd and our 2024 MXA 450 Shootout.
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Try sending your yz suspension to Enzo they are the best kyb suspension ever place
Copy that
My Enzo YZ 250 is outstanding, from turning to G outs…
Best 1200 I’ve ever spent on Mx.
Aside from Maico’s of course.
Jb.
Suspension is more important than power.
If you are good enough for this kit, it would be given to you along with everything else.
100% power is no good if the chassis cant handle it
Is it worth $7600? No of course not, a 500$ revalve of the stock stuff will get you close enough to no difference for the average rider. You could buy a second bike with the remaining 7k
Not completely true, don't know this kit but I have wp conevalve and wp trax on my own bike for a few years now.
Before that I had my shock and forks revalved and the result is actually great if you never tried the aftermarket stuff.
It is a major step forward from the revalved stuff... I was lucky to know a person within WP racing, he rebuild a used shock and fork set as new and sold it to me for a really fair price, so mine was totally worth it's money, especially since it can be used for years.
Do you really need it ? No of course not, you can even ride with the stock stuff... Is it worth the money ? Really depends on who you're asking, if you can afford it and you want the best feeling bike that gives you a lot of confidence, sure, worth the money. If you're a bit on a budget or you just don't care that much, not worth the money.
But it is the same for everything... Some cars are worth the money for person A and completely not for B. Depending on the situation it can be worth the money.
For 7600 I would assume you would at least get a shock with a decent spring preload adjuster instead of the old two ring system, something like an xtrig.
you could also get 7600$ worth of coaching and then you could justify the suspension upgrade
Tell me you’ve never ridden a National Shock without telling me you’ve never ridden a National Shock 😆
@@unclewickedmtb2023 if youre not an advanced rider, you are wasting $ on a kit or works suspension. It only works good if you push it, otherwise it will feel too stiff for the average rider
@@dr00andrewNot true. I’m one of only two MX Tech dealers in Western Canada and have been tuning suspension for 15 years. Stiffness in the right places is very beneficial and flex in the right places is also very beneficial. If you work with the tuner who has sold you the components and come up with settings that cater to your ability, even a Jr level racer would experience huge benefits from components like this. I’m not saying EVERYONE needs this stuff, you’re right, even a revalve and springs for your weight is a huge step in the right direction. But there’s no denying that you can ride faster, safer and experience less fatigue using components like this. The key part of this all is that the components are set up for your needs. That’s where stock components that are sprung and valved correctly, will outperform high end suspension components if they aren’t set up correctly.
I’m not one to talk negative but the lack of information other than saying it’s good is not enough for someone to want to spend 8000 on suspension when you can go to you local suspension shop and get your bike revalved for way less and is also better than stock
1:11 "We take great pride, we manufacture our components inhouse in the United States."
1:25 "DLC coated genuine Kashima from Japan Coatings throughout."
Guess it was too hard to find a coating factory in the USA, so every coated product is shipped out of the US... LMFFFAAAOOO
Keep in mind that Kashima coating is only done in Japan...
It’s not legal to do kashima in the USA so yea. That’s the way it has to be. ANYONE who sells legit kashima coat has to send their stuff to Japan lol.
@@user-mo8tm4jw2l @AC-ws8yv ... I understand this. Hence the reason I said a coating in the US. Kashima coating is understandable for products made in Japan. But to have to pay double shipping is just moronic. A USA product that has to leave the entire Americas to get completed isn't a true American made product. Easy as that 🤷♂️
@@tankeater hmmm. So it being designed Machined, manufactured here, assembled here, but uses one process that is proprietary to a foreign company and suddenly it makes it not an American made product?
That’s like putting salt and pepper on your steak and saying well now it’s not a steak…. 😂😂😂😂😂.
@@user-mo8tm4jw2l wow, I'd advise you, to not use analogies, because only someone with a 60 IQ would claim such a thing 😂🤦♂️
Easy question... Was everything in the process of making the final product, done in the USA??? LMFFFAAAOOO easy question 60
Can you give us any details of the suspension feel vs stock or cone valves or other products? Everyone in this video just said "it's good"
this setup would be INCREDIBLY rigid, stiff and likely twitchy. When the fork tubes and axle don't flex, it transfers all the energy into your hands and arms, not a good thing.
That means it ain’t so great.
Have you ridden their fork @waynehearst317 because it actually is supposed to have a better flex characteristic than kyb a kit and the the stock tubes, ie. more flex. My personal experience in owning their suspension, Both the shock and fork. Their setups have treated me well and been very plush stable and confidence inspiring. Granted I’m on a different chassis. I just don’t see how you could say how rigid this setup would be without the experience of being on their program.
@@waynehearst317who said it was stiff or didn’t flex? As an educated rider, you know that just because something is steel or aluminum doesn’t mean it flexes more or less. It’s all in the structural design. Flex in the right places is critical. Look at good triple clamps Vs bad ones. Engine hangers. Etc. all of these “performance components” are designed to flex in the right place, regardless of the material they’re made of. It’s the R&D that costs the most, as I’m sure you already know. Don’t hate on this stuff or make comments that make you sound uneducated without trying the stuff first and then giving a true opinion. 👍🏼
I'm talking about first hand experience with Ti axles and teams experiences going to larger dia. tubes. I didn't hear anything about this company changing the tube material or hardness scale of the materials to allow for more flex. If I knew that, I wouldn't have shared my opinion. No matter, you're right. I absolutely said there stuff would be "too stiff", and that's my bad. I spoke out of turn. I don't know at all what their stuff is actually like. I own that.@@unclewickedmtb2023
I love it praise god and props to you for having the courage to spread the word!!! Continue to be a blessing to those around you.
Lmao 😂 for 8 grand they better personally come to my house and wash my dishes twice a week .
my last two YZ450fs were purchased for less than this kit!
It’s just what a kit costs. You actually get more bang for your buck through mxt than you would through showa or kyb. But if your not even into revalving your suspension 8k is definitely going to seem like a lot. If your comparing to the other worthwhile options though it’s cheaper and probably better in most cases. I haven’t tested with kyb a kit yet on my ktm but I do run a highly modified kyb converted fork on my husky.
For a Yamaha though you definitely wont need more than an Enzo revalve. Take a look at star. Ktms however have their own problems because they love to produce expensive as fuck bikes with cheap components. 👊🏻🤙🏻👍🏻
Earth to MXA, no real person would pay $7600 for suspension. I am POSITIVE it is really nice, but please be realistic here. If you just revalved your stock suspension it would probably be nearly as good for 99.999% of riders.
For that price you could get a showa a kit setup. Kyb even kit stuff is s decent bit cheaper than this. And showa and kyb would be a easier resell
@MXA if you're going to praise a $$$ suspension package like this, and talk about all the "pros", why not give your viewers some of the potential "cons". I've been an ENZO rider for 20+ years and understand what going from 48mm to 49mm and going to a Ti front axle does. For almost ANY VET level rider, and 99% of beginner to expert riders this will make the front end WAY TOO STIFF. 1MM on the fork tubes adds an incredible amount of stiffness, the Ti axle adds even more. Most of us NEED some flex in those tubes. If you're on a SX track, sure, this is ideal. At Glen Helen I can't imagine this setup would perform as good as a stock KYB with proper valving and spring rates. Just some caution out there for people.
To my understanding their wall thickness might be different on the tubes and possibly the material they used. Supposed to have better flex characteristics than stock? Not supposed to be stiffer? That’s the sales pitch I got. I own their inserts and a shock. I know how good their stuff is so I’m inclined to believe them.
49mm has more flex
@@user-mo8tm4jw2l good point. I'm referencing KYB teams that have run Kayaba coatings and 49mm tubes, it's always been for stiffer results. I've also read WP air forks have run 49mm for more flex. So, I could wrong with my assumptions here. Thanks.
@@waynehearst317 you made excellent and valid points my dude. Appreciate your input it’s always nice to hear stuff from people who have experience with what they are referring to. Nothin wrong with assuming it would be similar. I thought so too until I spoke with them. 👊🏻👊🏻🤙🏻. Safe riding brother 🤘🏻👊🏻
you're right, i've already owned up to my mistake. Thanks. @user-li5pl2jb5i
I broke my left Femur oJ’n off a triple. 450sxf… dont know if ima ride Mx anymore but man i sure love it
The only people that would buy this is someone who doesn't understand suspension and has a lot of money to spend just to buy a "look how cool I am" factor. Hard ano the body of the shock and DLC the tubes and you have what they have.
Depends what color you ride. Definitely don’t disagree when it comes to a Yammy. It’s already got kyb. Call Enzo. Ktm is a different story entirely. 😂😂. I’ve spent enough to buy a new bike trying to fix wp’s bullshit and it’s why I won’t buy another ktm 450. Unless it comes with kyb suspension components I won’t even look anymore because I had 0 option but to open the wallet for my ktms. Lol. It wasn’t fun. Worth the result but you just shouldn’t have to fix shit stock with a bike that expensive.
Money better spent on diet , exercise and an advanced MX rider training day. Fitness and technique will cut more seconds from your lap times than slightly better suspension.
"bang for a buck", that guy wouldnt feel the difference between a set up stock kayaba suspension and that 8 grand bling bling thing. Completely unnessecary, especially on a yamaha. Lol. What a bad ad.
8k lmfao. Are you serious?
Dropping a comment before I watch, I’ve got a natty shock and blackjack inserts in my husky 300 I use for moto/worcs stuff and it was so night and day compared to the very dialed in kreft setup I had that it feels like a bought a new bike. Keep that in mind when you see the price tag on this stuff. If you are fast enough to use it. Buy it. It works. I will add the caveat that kyb stock is far superior to the wp junk on ktm group bikes so balance that with your wallet. If you ride a ktm this stuff is a must if your fast enough to utilize it.
Definitely not a must to switch wp suspension out just because you personally don't like the feel, considering Josh himself made nationals along with many others on completely stock wp stuff
@@Runk3lsmcdougal yes. I’m well aware it’s a useable fork. It also doesn’t mean that’s the best solution.
There’s a reason why everyone prefers yamaha suspension stock compared to ktm suspension stock. Every single shootout every year points out how much better yamaha fork is. There’s a reason.
Idk anyone who doesn’t agree a spring fork feels better. We can also all agree an air fork is useable, It’s all about what your willing to give up. Pros n cons to both setups. You just have to be aware of them.
Feel is very important for the rider. If you don’t like an air forks feel your NEVER going to fix that. Regardless of settings. I would have still felt the stiction and the j curve of an air fork and no amount of tuning is going to remove that feel from an air fork without compromising hold up.
So for me and anyone else who prefers the feel of a spring fork it is a necessity.
Who did you have tune your shock? I'm in a similar boat coming from kreft(now closed so switched to mx tech) . The forks are about the same maybe a bit better, I'm having some trouble getting the shock where I like it so trying different tuners now.
@@utube230 mxt did the settings.
MX tech the best you can get!!!
If you don't know the product don't talk about it!!!
"$7,600" "we'll sugar coat it and make it sound like $76".
Answer me this: If same suspension was used, how is it possible to get it to work with riders that have 50pounds weight difference? Freesag/racesag cant be as recomended for both riders.
In the start of the vid they mentioned it was sprung for 175lbs so really it was only 25 each way from perfect setting. I'm with you though, that is asking a lot of a single setup in that sense.
marketing bs
@@bud176probably because one guy likes his suspension not as still or the opposite. My friend had his suspension done for him at 240 and I have no problem riding it as long as I ride it aggressively. I was at 160.
Suspensions like this have a lot more meaningful adjustability. Not having the optimum spring isn't as big a difference as it is with typical stock suspensions. It will still feel noticeable better then stock.
you need to rewatch and listen this time.
Never hear anyone criticize Yamaha, until new suspension is ‘tested’. Not my first pick, wouldn’t be my choice to race, is what it is, BUT, feels as good as the old model with just a $7600 mod. Bottom line? The great Yamaha with mods; we got the bike to work. So much for reviews.
Love the Christian element here in this video--racing for Jesus! Hope you all have a great time at camp this year. Peace.
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it should be better with suspension that costs almost as much as the bike.
I think the Ti axle can be too stiff.
Remember when YAMAHA changed the diameter of the axle just because it FLEXED too little.,2017 i think it was
They say what offset clamps they set at to make it more stable? Or they just stock 22mm?
What does the shock weigh? Or at least how much lighter is it than stock?
Natty is 19.7% lighter than OE. Or, stock shock is 8.9lb while Natty is 7.14 lb. That’s almost 2lb just in the shock. 😮💨
@@unclewickedmtb2023 so kyb and mx tech would weigh kinda the same, right?
@@mharris867 sorry, I corrected my original answer. Apologies for the confusion.
I have this kit in my 2001 Yamaha DT125. Cant fault it when im sat in traffic at 5pm
If I was Elon Musk I wouldn't pay $7,600. GTFO! 🤣🤣🤣
Why MX Tech sucks is : they don’t return phone calls… don’t service new customers ….call them and see what happens…
I called them 6 times over 2 months before I got someone to answer the phone. Since early summer they have answered every time so something changed. I still bought the complete fork and naty shock
Also don't have much product description or details of stuff on their website. I don't want to call you and wait to ask questions, put it in the fing site
why aren't you guys calling the best? ENZO is where it's at.@@mikekruger9561
I’ve been working with these guys for almost 30 years, and I’ve never, never not gotten a callback or response from them in a timely manner.
@@extremelifeandlarydean1894yah... Funny how he mentioned "new customers." You've been a customer for 30 years. What does that have to do with this statement????? LMFFFAAAOOO 🤦♂️
Seriously? $7000 for a stupid shock absorber? Someone is mentally sick for this 😂
The shock is only $2600.
@@unclewickedmtb2023 That’s still worth a Ha ha.
Makes sense! /s
This dumb… set up for an intermediate rider? What intermediate rider has 7600 to blow on suspension that would save him .5 seconds a lap? This American company needs to figure out a way to bring costs down so the majority of riders can consider them viable option.
Motocross church camp. Wow sounds awesome. Wish I was closer.
No preload adjuster and it costs THAT much? 😂
For any average rider, a respring and revalve will do just fine. You don't need to spend 8k
So... 8gs in and it makes it as smooth as a kawi.
Not the greatest endorsement.
I would love to ride some nice suspension... the difference should be night and day.. not just better.
For 8 grand it should be the smoothest bike I’ve ever ridden!! 😂
you forgot to put in the footage of the suspension working on the track compared to stock and just talked shit.
what's the poor people gonna do
I always wanted factory suspension, no money in the past. Do they take visa?
Y’all are late to the party mxt is gold!
Do people believe this sales pitch mxa. Terrible and insulting !
Freakin Beautiful 💪👊✌️😉
Tell me why they can't mass produce this part . 500$ max
Holy shit...some common sense.
@@robbietucker7815 Its a piece of alloy steel . Tell me what your thinking . I can tell you it's not made of gold even if it's called gold valve . Common cence tells me you can make it for peanuts.
@petermoygannon698 I'm agreeing with you mate. It's not medieval times
@@robbietucker7815 In scrap metal 3$ Max
Too much money
Penske is simply better.
probably the worst "test" video ive seen. there was absolutely no detailed information on the suspension and the edits were insane.....assuming it was an air set up but who knows..... come on MXA!
lol im sure its a good product but , no sense in just doing the suspension at that point . shoot for a 25,000 plus dirt bike. lol ahh na
Over priced, overrated.
You can ride in over 60 with mustash
Lol sounds like a ktm wp fix product.
That’s exactly what it is. I have it on my ktm. I would revalve a Yamaha with Enzo. It would be just as good across the board for less. Their stuff is rad but I wouldn’t put it on a Yamaha. A ktm I would say it’s a MUST if your a spring fork guy. Best product out there to fix the wp suspension fiasco.
9:40 minute advertisement.....
WTF,,, this moto not church
$7600.00... Ill jus pay @ProCircuit
Total BS comments,,,, tis is worthless if you cant ride, just not necessary.
Yamaha all day clown