@@koreancowboy42 I accidently got realm divide too early as the Oda with about 16 provinces, and then I took Kyoto and I'm slowly being picked off, any advice?
There is an alternative to destroying the nanban port. In my otomo campaign i basically upgraded it to nanban quarter, made a few nanban trade ships and then caused a rebellion. At that point you just build it in buzen and as soon as the nanban quarter starts to build you can retake your original capital, thus gaining an extra port to build trade ships on top of the accuracy bonus for tercos at buzen. It's also worth noting that while the settlement remains in rebel control, the quarter will keep spreading christianity onto the adjacent provinces.
A very nice word play on their themes, but “Fire and Brimstone” is more a Protestant(US-Evangelical/Second Great Awakening era types) thing then a Catholic deal.
What the hell? Reduced missionary cost not useful? Honestly as the Otomo, they've been the most powerful asset. Given that you fight on two fronts, having a missionary go through a larger faction, causing revolts forcing them to stop focusing on you and on putting down this revolt, if not making them lose provinces. Do this enough and they lose most of their income. This makes them less likely to attack you and it makes their ability to field large armies to attack. It allows you to focus on one front.
Aleksandar Ivanov the same can be said for ikko ikki, however, they have NO bonuses to success chance. The cost is negligible late game when armies take precedence and realm divide, where everyone hates you. Early game, reduced cost is nice, but not too noteworthy. Just my 2 cents.
Revolts are literally like. Revolt army spawns with a lot of Strong Ronins....> AI Proceeds to attack them with a army of Ashigarus > the AI Win > They don't lose even 10% of their forces > AI proceeds to do what they were doing like nothing happened. Seriously, i was extremely disappointed the first time i tried Inciting Revolts, its pure garbage, it don't deal any damage to the AI at all, once a Revolt spawned 12 Ronins with a General, a AI with 2 Samurais and 14 Ashigarus kicked their ass without losing even 10% of their army, so the only thing got from doing all this revolt thing was lose time and money...
A tip for army composition: Get yourself some sort of artillary. Any kind of artillary will do, its just there to make the enemy come towards you, even when you are the one attacking. This might seem like a very gerneral tip, but its especially effective if you use many matchlock units. If you can position yourself the slope of a hill, you can make much better use of your matlocks, since you can do 2 or even 3 firing lines, as the slope will allow your units to shoot over each other instead of being blocked by the unit in front of it. In that way, you can use a large amount of matchlocks much more effectively.
I like how the game calls those Portuguese handgunners "Tercios" when "Tercio" refers to a special formation that combines pikes and guns, not to a type of infantry. You can recreate the tercio formation in the game (albeit it won't be as useful as it was in real life), but you don't need the Portuguese units for that.
Haven’t played but seeing the game, Long Yari Ashigaru+ “Tercos”+ another complimentary unit, for example Matchlock Samurai for more numbers in fire power or more devastating power via Tokitaka Tanegashima, would be needed to recreate a Tercio (if possible under a mode because otherwise it’s impossible since Otome have the best guns while Oda has the unit most closely resembling Tercio Pikemen and everyone knows no other spear unit comes close).The firepower would be kind of redundant with 2 units using it, but since the use of sword+shield is inexistent, it means there’s no unit filling the function of rodeleros (helping the pikemen to retain their formation vía killing intruding enemies, disrupting enemy formations, etc...), therefore the Tercos who are decent enough with swords and armour should fill the role, plus, no one gets hurt from having more guns, they're way more beneficial than having a sword-specialized unit.
AFAIK "Tercos" is the portuguese word for "tercios" and IIRC it is a copy or imitation of the spanish tercios, or the intent of them. I don't know the full story behind it, but supposedly since tercios were so effective people copied them, and since Portugal was pals with Spain they got to research and observe tercios very frequently, and so "copied" them. I could be wrong though
@@jonathanwells223 As far as I know, yes, they were pals at the time, they never really had bad relations except maybe in the Early Medieval times, that's as far as I know
Terços is the portuguese word for infantry that serves with the navy, they are basically marines. It has NOTHING to do with the spanish tercios. There were tercio like units later on but these ones are not it.
How I play as Otomo: Upgrade the dock in the capital asap in order to get access to Nanban Trade Ship which will be the majority of my navy fleet (with the exception of trade ships)
Do you know That whenever I play Otomo. I don't demolish Nanban trade port/Quarter in Bungo like you said. I have 2 Nanban Quarters You can recruit Level 5 European Trade ship which can single-handedly defeat a fleet. What I do Is letting rebel capture the Province (When you finally establish foothold in Kyushuu) Before reclaiming it Start building Nanban trade port/Quarter Bam! 2 Nanban Quarters!!!!
Who felt that Otomo clan DLC is a little bit rushed and could of been better had the developers spent more time. I would of like the Otomo to more unique than the other clan faction and went deeper into their history.how in the past they were once great allies of Ashikaga shogunate and they were rewarded high positions in the goverment. However with weakening of the Ashikaga, the Otomo have begun grown wary as their rivals are no longer being held in check and fear that their ambitions will soon bring war to the lands of the Otomo. With their old friends unable to help anymore the Otomo have begun establish trade relationships with the Europeans who have begun to arrive in recent years.
In my opinion Portugeese Tercos got quite enough accuracy, and personally I recomend to all of you build the Nanban Quarter in Satsuma instead, and give tercos additional armor/melee atack. This will make them even better main line of troops, and you won't need to recruit Katana samurai/naginata samurai anymore. Just tercos, some cav and spearmen (or more yari cav).
Another thing about Donderbuss Cavalry. They are absolutely godly when defending castles since they make short work of any infantry that's climbing the walls if you station them on the top.
I enjoy range gameplay overall and when I first started playing I noticed these guys and instantly fell in love. If your enemy cant hurt you if it cant reach your frontline.
One of the best tricks of Otomo is using the priests. I usually send priests to throw whole province into chaos before I sweep in with armies. No matter how big your enemies are, they're pretty battered up when there are six provinces rebelling.
What i dont understand is why the Otomo, being the gunpowder using faction, does NOT have access to heavy gunners, that are Shimazu only. the Heavy gunners are one of the wildest and best gunners in the game, so why shouldnt Otomo be able to recruit theM?
Maybe but from a gameplay point of view it makes no sense. Not only that but guns and sword mastery is in two different sides of the military tree, making shimaxu gunners a non existent unit in a shimazu gameplay if one wants to focus on their strength which are swords
You can just make the Shimazu your vassal and give them the cash to upgrade their home province and eventually you’ll get the chance to bribe those units out from underneath them
Nanban Trade Ships? They're not unique to the Otomo, so there was no point. They're unique to Christians which almost any clan can become. In the Clan Overviews I only cover what's unique to the clans.
I know that you're busy and that making a video isn't a simple task, especially when you already have so much work to do. But i wonder if you could make a video covering _"Trade"_ : the mechanics, how does it works, how does it impact the economy and, in regard of naval trade route, how does the different "trade class" ships would perform cost/profit wise. Like you pointed out, the Otomo have the opportunity to quickly gain control of four trade routes, essentially being able to obtain complete monopole over two of them (Incense, Cotton) which can heavily impact on late-game army composition (legendary units/building requiring said luxury ressources.) So i thought it would be interesting if you could covering the subject in more details.
They are the most powerful ship in the game and available relatively early for the Otomo, and the only Buddhist counterpart is the cannon bune, which can only be fielded in extremely limited numbers an much later in the game. The Otomo have a better early game ship set-up than the Mori: the clan designed to have the most powerful navy.
I do use Lease land sometimes. A good Otomo rush tactic is to take Hyuga, Loot it, and build leased land on all the spots and then abandon it to rebels it turns a near worthless region into a good quick buck. I will also do it late mid game when I want to turtle before realm divide. Take territory Lease the land and abandon it to rebels. If one of the other clans takes it they will be severely limited in what they can do with it.
The 'wink wink' makes me suspect you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not. European Cannons aren't specific to the Otomo, in the Clan Overviews I only cover what's unique to a clan.
Aye, you said it, not a fan, would never recommend anyone to use them. Especially as the Otomo sieging is a difficult thing to do since your guns can't fire over the walls, so the Otomo is the clan you'd want to siege the enemy out with the most.
I didn't say anything about besieging, but I have used them when defending a siege by having them set outside the the fort causing them to charge, and using then in a unconventional siege were I attacked with the cannons on a hill next to the fort rained fire, retreating when they ran out of ammunition just to have a larger army do the actual besieging. Also it's pretty cool arguing with someone I'm subscribed to.
Love the Otomo clan. 2nd most favorite next to Ikko Ikki. But ive always had trouble playing them. The Ouchi and Shoni tend to tie up my entire funds and resources constantly attacking Buzen. I also had no fucking idea i could demolish the nanban port and rebuild in Buzen. I always felt screwed that i could train matchlocks in Bungo but the accuracy boost they need comes from Buzen. This video has been hugely helpful
Its also interesting that the Namban Trade Ship also gives you trade income like normal Trade Ships, but they can defend themselves way better. Put one of these and the rest normal Trade Ships in a fleet and you will have a big protected trade, :D
The thing about the nanban trade port is that for not that much money you can get nanban ships: which with their cannons can demolish whole fleets alone for most the game. With one per trade node and an extra two or three you can dominate the entire map easily for very very little cost
Grrr the Otomo. The most hated and bitter rivals of the glorious Shimazu. Just the other day I started up a Shimazu Very Hard campaign with the extended regions/clans mod and 12 turns a year mod too. By the time I was waging war with the Otomo, they were able to field four full stacks while I only had 2 stacks, barely scraping by economy wise. I'll admit I loaded many savepoints more than a couple times to figure out how to survive. I managed to isolate two stacks and win a battle over them, which actually was enough for the Otomo to accept peace when I requested it. Then I went on my way spamming Buddhist temples and monks, building up my gold overtime while I held an unsteady peace and trade agreement with the Otomo. They were occupied with various other Kyushu clans and the Mori, and while they were suffering losses I started to sabotage a bunch of buildings with my ninja and cause revolts with my monks (taken from your agents video, previously I only did assassinations and passives). Since I was at peace the Otomo basically let their lands be taken by the rebels first and then by me. I've essentially crushed them with monks and now I'm building up an invasion force for an actual war again. The AI is funny and not very intelligent in many aspects, but Very Hard can be very hard for a player like me, so screw these guys and their resilience against Shimazu domination. Kyushu is mine!
Actually I played a few more turns after I commented, and now the Otomo only have 2 regions left with 1 and 1/2 army stacks. They've been pushed out of their original lands and they have no access to any harbors either. I surround them with at least 4 armies of armor-bonus katana samurai. It's only a matter of time before they crumble.
Oh and by the way historically the Shimazu actually had some level of tolerance for Christians, as Kyushu was the main source of contact for the world outside of Japan. The Shimazu historically managed to defeat the Otomo (well not conquer) and had a huge role in developing Kyushu well into the Meiji Restoration. Christianity is barely practiced today in Japan anyway, though there are notable communities in Kyushu and surrounding islands like Tanegashima or Goto. A lot of churches and stuff built there by the Portuguese or Jesuits. But hardly prevailing over us barbarians.
+Haiiro Interesting. The Shimazu crest threw me off as it is a cross? Or something similar? I thought they became Christian at some point but I guess not.
If I recall correctly, historical records show the cross crest existed before the arrival of Europeans and Christianity. Overlapping bars don't necessarily mean Christians, but I totally get the confusion.
Wouldnt armor be better for tercos and other matchlock units? It would protect them from archer fire and would help tercos in melee, because accuracy doesnt seem very important to matchlock units in my expierience
Depends on your use of them. You can have them to shoot infantry and retreat behind your line or have your infantry charge forwards. You can also set them in the flanks and/or try using them for sniping. In any of those cases, you will want accuracy. I usually do the foremost, copying a pike and shoot tactic. They damage mainline units and retreat to safety, never really needing much defense. You can use cav to attack enemy skirmishers. Donderbuss and Yari cav can both be devastating for that.
In this era to be a gunner you had to carry alot of shit lead powder the gun that could weigh more than 15 lbs so it would be brutal on the march to have armor on
I find it Ironic that you mentioned Takeda. I wiped them out in just a few battles with my gunpowder units. They charged their cavalry and my many matchlocks killed them all before reaching my line. It reminded me of The Last Samurai a lot lol.
This was really useful for me. I started an otomo campaign a few days ago and I've been having trouble with the right army comp. I tried to play it like FOTS and that... went poorly. With this I have something to try.
Best promo early is one European cannon and equal numbers of ashigaru spearmen with their ability and imported matchlock ashigaru with two light cavalry.
I have one major exploit to the nanban tradeport. In my campaign I purposely allowed my main province to be captured, allowing me to build another nanban port in Buzen. I then recaptured my home province and voila I had 2. The reason I did this is to capitalize on the pirate bonus for my crews on my european trade ships and cash in on the economy boost. And ofcourse now I can recruit with the accuracy bonus in buzen.
Just to make sure I understand your question correctly. You want to know if a dismounted unit still takes extra damage when fighting Yari units. If that's what you meant, then no, if the unit is dismounted, it's not considered cavalry anymore, it's infantry.
Their ships are fucking stupid OP. I went Christian in one of my SHimazu campaigns just to see what those ships were about. WOW.....just a couple of hits from those cannons sent the entire AI fleet running. It was honestly kind of boring, since the ships fire so damn far, I basically hit start, turned broadside and fired....game over. I also once lucked out and captured the Black Ship. It only had like 24 men on it, so it was super easy to salvage. THAT thing is crazy good to.
A high level Missionary can be extremely effective. He can disrupt a marching army or cripple the economy of enemy clans. You simply start a christian revolt. If left unattended the revolt will take the settlement and to stop the revolt the enemy has to use his armies. On top of that settlements held by christian rebels slowly convert to Christianity, which is nice considering the problem of religious unrest
Instead of destroying your Nanban Trade Port in your capital, you could instead incite a rebellion in the capital and allow rebels to take it over, before building another Nanban Trade Port in Buzen, (giving you the boost in accuracy bonus for the Portugese Terco) and then recapturing the capital, giving you two and allowing you to bypass the one Nanban Trade Port rule thus furthering your income even more.
I've just noticed that you forgot one thing. Otomo can recruit imported matchlocks in 1 turn that other clans with nanban trade port has to wait 4 turns to import
You know what, I didn't even know that. That doesn't happen very often. I don't think I've ever gone Christian with any clan other than the Otomo who start out Christian, and I never accept the offer for a Nanban Trade Port either so I don't think I've ever owned one as any other clan, besides after taking one from a different clan but I always demolish it right away.
BTW thanks for theese clan overviews, it really helps, and are briefly made strictly about the subject unlike the american styled reviews lasting 40 minutes with loads of unnecessery shittalk about nothing. I appreciate that and look forward for FotS clans overview.
One more feature. I've just started new Shimazu christian campaign and noticed that as a christian you get the 50% discount for recruitment cost of imported matchlocks ashigaru, and more over you can recruit them in 2 turns instead of 4 like other buddist clans. But Otomo still can recruit them in 1 turn. Geez i'll never get bored of this game.
Much smaller chance of doing that. Not a huge fan of RotS, and clans are even more similar to each other in that. There's not a single clan specific unit for example.
i recall 1 game when i was fighting them and they owned 1/2 of japan i took most of their lands but it was a painnnnn they built so many lease lands and i could hardly build anything afterwards i wish i could get rid of them so i could properly build up those settlements
Can you still upgrade the nanban trade port to a nanban quarter if you move it? I noticed you didn't mention the Nanban trade ship at all in this overview, and I always thought having one fleet with a nanban trade ship to smash the mori clan and achieve naval hegemony was always a big boon for the Otomo.
You can, that's the whole point of moving the Nanban port, so you can get increased accuracy on your Portuguese Tercos, if you couldn't rebuild the Nanban Quarter, that would be entirely pointless. You just can't build more than 1, which is why you have to get rid of your first one. I didn't mention Nanban Trade ships because they aren't exclusive to the Otomo, anyone can build them, as long as they become Christian.
Ah but if you carefully snatch an important enemy province with a large and importance province, but the enemy is too strong for you to keep it for long, you can gimp the whole province by demolishing its buildings and building multiple land leases: combine with demolishing all the buildings and looting on capture and you can make a mint on one giant troll raid whilst letting the ai having to spend the vast time and money in repairing the damage
I really like this type of videos so i would like if you could do the same for the Rise and Fall of Samurai. I belive that a lot of your followers would appreciate this also. Keep up the good work
I've already done a few for Fall of the Samurai, which I might continue at some point. I don't think I'll ever do any for Rise though, I don't really like the game and the clans are too similar to justify a video for each one.
I usualy send my ship to block the route betwheen Kyushu and Honshu though i don't do the Naban tactic might have to try it cuz i usualy try and get matchlocks as fast as i can for my early armies xD
The video is good, but I don't see any reason to move the Nanban Quarter to Buzen, the matchlock units, especially the Otomo matchlocks, don't need the accuracy boost. Unlike Empire: Total War, the matchlocks in Shogun actually hit something, and are very effective. Other than that, the video is great!
I kinda wished the Otomo victory cutscene played more on the fact Japan was now a Catholic/Christian nation... its just the same as the others with a statue of a man that doesn’t even feature a cross...
While Shogun 2 is easily an S tier game, one thing I will never understand is why guns are so rare and often not worth going for. Like, just looking it up, Oda Nobunaga ordered 500 matchlocks for his army in -1549-. Granted, 500 is relatively small amount for an army numbering thousands, but I don't know, the rarity of guns in Shogun 2 is just bizarre to me.
It's tercio, not terco, tercio means a third (spanish, not portuguese, way of fighting with 1/3rd of mosketeers, 1/3rd of pikemen and 1/3 of infantry) btw terco in spanish means something like stubborn.
I don't know if you mean pronunciation or written, because it's written Terco(s). At least it is in the game, look it up. If it's pronounced different you can't blame me for not knowing, I'm not Portuguese or Spanish.
xDooM It has been 2 months, but as a Portuguese let me tell you: it is terço, the portuguese word for tercio. We adopted the word and used it in the same military context as the Spanish
Don't destroy your namban ports simply allow the enemy to capture then. Build a new namban port elsewhere then allow this to fall as well. keep doing this till the entire south island has one. Finally retake all ports and have the wealthiest empire in the game capable of producing multiple namban trade ships each turn.
Slightly off topic, but I've been having an issue and can't seem to find an answer just using google. Are there any hidden requirements to build the artisans building? I'm trying to build a fletcher in my Chosokabe campaign, but it won't give me the option. I think I am missing something, are they region specific, do I need to research something first? Or am I missing something else entirely?
No need to destroy the nanban port, just abandon the city after you have upgraded it to a nanban quarter and after you lose it, re-build in the other province, re-take the starting home and now you have two.
They bought clocks, guns and JESUS. Now they're ready to conquer the shogunate
They will conquer the hori landu!!!! YOOOOOSH!!!
Xfiles78 We must take Jerusalem, I meant Kyoto
-DESU- *_DEUS VULT!_*
bill wurtz xD
@@HeIsAnAli haha "Desu"
1:00 Faster import of matchlocks actually means that the recruitment time of the imported matchlock ashigaru is reduced from 4 turns to 1 turn.
That is actually a huge bonus ;d
That’s insane!
I was about to ask don't all Christian factions get Imported Matchlock Ashigaru in 1 turn instead of 4, but remembered their train time is 2 turns.
Funny. I still beat the Otomo even if they have better stats on their gunners XD
They can't beat me peasant army of Oda!
@@koreancowboy42 I accidently got realm divide too early as the Oda with about 16 provinces, and then I took Kyoto and I'm slowly being picked off, any advice?
"Otomo; Masters of Pew Pew" Brilliant! I love your videos Mr. SmartDonkey, your clan overviews are especially awesome!
Thanks Max!
just watched this and i cracked up at that
that pew pew took me by surprise
I just wish he did this for all Total War games! (At least Rome Total war, MET2, Empire etc, as no one else does these types of videos)
When you have the power of Anime, Guns and God on your side
And V2
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There is an alternative to destroying the nanban port. In my otomo campaign i basically upgraded it to nanban quarter, made a few nanban trade ships and then caused a rebellion. At that point you just build it in buzen and as soon as the nanban quarter starts to build you can retake your original capital, thus gaining an extra port to build trade ships on top of the accuracy bonus for tercos at buzen. It's also worth noting that while the settlement remains in rebel control, the quarter will keep spreading christianity onto the adjacent provinces.
Hot take: the Otomo should have been titled “Masters of Fire and Brimstone”, alluding both their gunpowder unit bonuses, and their religious focus
A very nice word play on their themes, but “Fire and Brimstone” is more a Protestant(US-Evangelical/Second Great Awakening era types) thing then a Catholic deal.
I think "Gun Jesus simps" is telling more with less words.
@@crusaderanimation6967 This comment is very un-Crusader of you.
@@Wveth touché
What the hell? Reduced missionary cost not useful? Honestly as the Otomo, they've been the most powerful asset. Given that you fight on two fronts, having a missionary go through a larger faction, causing revolts forcing them to stop focusing on you and on putting down this revolt, if not making them lose provinces. Do this enough and they lose most of their income. This makes them less likely to attack you and it makes their ability to field large armies to attack. It allows you to focus on one front.
Aleksandar Ivanov the same can be said for ikko ikki, however, they have NO bonuses to success chance. The cost is negligible late game when armies take precedence and realm divide, where everyone hates you. Early game, reduced cost is nice, but not too noteworthy. Just my 2 cents.
Revolts are literally like.
Revolt army spawns with a lot of Strong Ronins....> AI Proceeds to attack them with a army of Ashigarus > the AI Win > They don't lose even 10% of their forces > AI proceeds to do what they were doing like nothing happened.
Seriously, i was extremely disappointed the first time i tried Inciting Revolts, its pure garbage, it don't deal any damage to the AI at all, once a Revolt spawned 12 Ronins with a General, a AI with 2 Samurais and 14 Ashigarus kicked their ass without losing even 10% of their army, so the only thing got from doing all this revolt thing was lose time and money...
This. The ai can't declare war if they dont know you exist.
@@muatring why do you even spawn a revolt in a province that has a stacked army within it? Makes no sense. Spawn it in strategic provinces
@@muatring Might be true in higher difficulties... but I've never seen the Ai beat a Christian Revolt in normal.
Should have mentioned that Missionaries are hilariously OP when you're converting characters
Such is their Boukensha life hahaha. They're literallt isekai characters IRL
A tip for army composition: Get yourself some sort of artillary. Any kind of artillary will do, its just there to make the enemy come towards you, even when you are the one attacking. This might seem like a very gerneral tip, but its especially effective if you use many matchlock units. If you can position yourself the slope of a hill, you can make much better use of your matlocks, since you can do 2 or even 3 firing lines, as the slope will allow your units to shoot over each other instead of being blocked by the unit in front of it. In that way, you can use a large amount of matchlocks much more effectively.
I like how the game calls those Portuguese handgunners "Tercios" when "Tercio" refers to a special formation that combines pikes and guns, not to a type of infantry. You can recreate the tercio formation in the game (albeit it won't be as useful as it was in real life), but you don't need the Portuguese units for that.
Haven’t played but seeing the game, Long Yari Ashigaru+ “Tercos”+ another complimentary unit, for example Matchlock Samurai for more numbers in fire power or more devastating power via Tokitaka Tanegashima, would be needed to recreate a Tercio (if possible under a mode because otherwise it’s impossible since Otome have the best guns while Oda has the unit most closely resembling Tercio Pikemen and everyone knows no other spear unit comes close).The firepower would be kind of redundant with 2 units using it, but since the use of sword+shield is inexistent, it means there’s no unit filling the function of rodeleros (helping the pikemen to retain their formation vía killing intruding enemies, disrupting enemy formations, etc...), therefore the Tercos who are decent enough with swords and armour should fill the role, plus, no one gets hurt from having more guns, they're way more beneficial than having a sword-specialized unit.
AFAIK "Tercos" is the portuguese word for "tercios" and IIRC it is a copy or imitation of the spanish tercios, or the intent of them.
I don't know the full story behind it, but supposedly since tercios were so effective people copied them, and since Portugal was pals with Spain they got to research and observe tercios very frequently, and so "copied" them.
I could be wrong though
Stone Dragon Portugal, pals with Spain...
@@jonathanwells223 As far as I know, yes, they were pals at the time, they never really had bad relations except maybe in the Early Medieval times, that's as far as I know
Terços is the portuguese word for infantry that serves with the navy, they are basically marines. It has NOTHING to do with the spanish tercios. There were tercio like units later on but these ones are not it.
How I play as Otomo: Upgrade the dock in the capital asap in order to get access to Nanban Trade Ship which will be the majority of my navy fleet (with the exception of trade ships)
he just explained that's a bad idea due to the fact you need the extra accuracy, dummy
I posted this comment before watching that part of the video. Once I found about it, I'll try doing it after completing my Takeda domination campaign.
Alrighty then
And accuracy only affects missile infantry units.
106717152758171748315 but you need a Nanban quarter to recruit Portuguese tercos. Who could do with the accuracy.
Do you know That whenever I play Otomo. I don't demolish Nanban trade port/Quarter in Bungo like you said.
I have 2 Nanban Quarters
You can recruit Level 5 European Trade ship which can single-handedly defeat a fleet.
What I do Is letting rebel capture the Province (When you finally establish foothold in Kyushuu)
Before reclaiming it Start building Nanban trade port/Quarter
Bam! 2 Nanban Quarters!!!!
ima have to take note of that
wp sir
but how does one make the town rebel after u set foothold on that peninsula?
MrAdrianus revolt it and leave it undefended
Big Jon ye but how u make them unhappy?
Who felt that Otomo clan DLC is a little bit rushed and could of been better had the developers spent more time. I would of like the Otomo to more unique than the other clan faction and went deeper into their history.how in the past they were once great allies of Ashikaga shogunate and they were rewarded high positions in the goverment. However with weakening of the Ashikaga, the Otomo have begun grown wary as their rivals are no longer being held in check and fear that their ambitions will soon bring war to the lands of the Otomo. With their old friends unable to help anymore the Otomo have begun establish trade relationships with the Europeans who have begun to arrive in recent years.
Or at least htey could've given them a proper victory/defeat scene.
In my opinion Portugeese Tercos got quite enough accuracy, and personally I recomend to all of you build the Nanban Quarter in Satsuma instead, and give tercos additional armor/melee atack. This will make them even better main line of troops, and you won't need to recruit Katana samurai/naginata samurai anymore. Just tercos, some cav and spearmen (or more yari cav).
Another thing about Donderbuss Cavalry. They are absolutely godly when defending castles since they make short work of any infantry that's climbing the walls if you station them on the top.
I HAVE GUNS AND JESUS, NOBODY CAN STOP ME
The you should show your gun to your friends, so that they will feel confident that you will become the new shogun.
I enjoy range gameplay overall and when I first started playing I noticed these guys and instantly fell in love.
If your enemy cant hurt you if it cant reach your frontline.
One of the best tricks of Otomo is using the priests. I usually send priests to throw whole province into chaos before I sweep in with armies. No matter how big your enemies are, they're pretty battered up when there are six provinces rebelling.
What i dont understand is why the Otomo, being the gunpowder using faction, does NOT have access to heavy gunners, that are Shimazu only.
the Heavy gunners are one of the wildest and best gunners in the game, so why shouldnt Otomo be able to recruit theM?
Well, the Shimazu were the very first clan to ever use guns in Japan.
Maybe but from a gameplay point of view it makes no sense. Not only that but guns and sword mastery is in two different sides of the military tree, making shimaxu gunners a non existent unit in a shimazu gameplay if one wants to focus on their strength which are swords
I think shimazu hevay Gunner are using Chinese model of matchlok, and Otomo only using European matchlok model
You can just make the Shimazu your vassal and give them the cash to upgrade their home province and eventually you’ll get the chance to bribe those units out from underneath them
@@gamingforever9121 huh...I never thought of that. Thanks!
"This... Is my *BOOMSTICK!* "
7:41 That's a mouthful of a name right there.
didn't even mention the Portuguese trade ships
Nanban Trade Ships? They're not unique to the Otomo, so there was no point. They're unique to Christians which almost any clan can become. In the Clan Overviews I only cover what's unique to the clans.
I see, but I think it was worth mentioning get them since they can be gained so quickly.
Ehh, perhaps, I'd definitely recommend it, don't feel bad for not mentioning them in the video though.
I know that you're busy and that making a video isn't a simple task, especially when you already have so much work to do. But i wonder if you could make a video covering _"Trade"_ : the mechanics, how does it works, how does it impact the economy and, in regard of naval trade route, how does the different "trade class" ships would perform cost/profit wise.
Like you pointed out, the Otomo have the opportunity to quickly gain control of four trade routes, essentially being able to obtain complete monopole over two of them (Incense, Cotton) which can heavily impact on late-game army composition (legendary units/building requiring said luxury ressources.) So i thought it would be interesting if you could covering the subject in more details.
They are the most powerful ship in the game and available relatively early for the Otomo, and the only Buddhist counterpart is the cannon bune, which can only be fielded in extremely limited numbers an much later in the game. The Otomo have a better early game ship set-up than the Mori: the clan designed to have the most powerful navy.
I do use Lease land sometimes. A good Otomo rush tactic is to take Hyuga, Loot it, and build leased land on all the spots and then abandon it to rebels it turns a near worthless region into a good quick buck. I will also do it late mid game when I want to turtle before realm divide. Take territory Lease the land and abandon it to rebels. If one of the other clans takes it they will be severely limited in what they can do with it.
You forgot European canons! Wink wink
The 'wink wink' makes me suspect you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not. European Cannons aren't specific to the Otomo, in the Clan Overviews I only cover what's unique to a clan.
I mean for army composition with experience and aimed towards the center they can but a exploitable hole in their lines and force them to come to you
I wink because I know your not a fan of them
Aye, you said it, not a fan, would never recommend anyone to use them. Especially as the Otomo sieging is a difficult thing to do since your guns can't fire over the walls, so the Otomo is the clan you'd want to siege the enemy out with the most.
I didn't say anything about besieging, but I have used them when defending a siege by having them set outside the the fort causing them to charge, and using then in a unconventional siege were I attacked with the cannons on a hill next to the fort rained fire, retreating when they ran out of ammunition just to have a larger army do the actual besieging. Also it's pretty cool arguing with someone I'm subscribed to.
The best clan in the game!
DEUS VULT
ZuoCruz the best clan is ikko ikki i think
Amen!
I destroy otomo using shimazu clan in 5 turn lol
Desu vult
Oda is the best.
You can’t be at war with anyone if you’re just fighting Christian rebels
Science
Thanks i was unsure if the Portuguese tercos would gain or not the accuracy upgrade
Cant wait for Date! My first and favorite clan.
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And i remember that episode when you we're saying
More PEW PEW ?????
I love your overviews videos, make me wanna play Shogun 2 again
Love the Otomo clan. 2nd most favorite next to Ikko Ikki. But ive always had trouble playing them. The Ouchi and Shoni tend to tie up my entire funds and resources constantly attacking Buzen.
I also had no fucking idea i could demolish the nanban port and rebuild in Buzen.
I always felt screwed that i could train matchlocks in Bungo but the accuracy boost they need comes from Buzen.
This video has been hugely helpful
You Ikko ikko ikki? Why?
@@hannibalburgers477 3 years ago I thought loanswords were hot shit lol
Its also interesting that the Namban Trade Ship also gives you trade income like normal Trade Ships, but they can defend themselves way better. Put one of these and the rest normal Trade Ships in a fleet and you will have a big protected trade, :D
Too bad autoresolve doesnt favour them as good as they are, getting tired of manually defending my traid ships from pirates
The thing about the nanban trade port is that for not that much money you can get nanban ships: which with their cannons can demolish whole fleets alone for most the game. With one per trade node and an extra two or three you can dominate the entire map easily for very very little cost
Grrr the Otomo. The most hated and bitter rivals of the glorious Shimazu. Just the other day I started up a Shimazu Very Hard campaign with the extended regions/clans mod and 12 turns a year mod too. By the time I was waging war with the Otomo, they were able to field four full stacks while I only had 2 stacks, barely scraping by economy wise. I'll admit I loaded many savepoints more than a couple times to figure out how to survive.
I managed to isolate two stacks and win a battle over them, which actually was enough for the Otomo to accept peace when I requested it. Then I went on my way spamming Buddhist temples and monks, building up my gold overtime while I held an unsteady peace and trade agreement with the Otomo. They were occupied with various other Kyushu clans and the Mori, and while they were suffering losses I started to sabotage a bunch of buildings with my ninja and cause revolts with my monks (taken from your agents video, previously I only did assassinations and passives). Since I was at peace the Otomo basically let their lands be taken by the rebels first and then by me. I've essentially crushed them with monks and now I'm building up an invasion force for an actual war again.
The AI is funny and not very intelligent in many aspects, but Very Hard can be very hard for a player like me, so screw these guys and their resilience against Shimazu domination. Kyushu is mine!
Actually I played a few more turns after I commented, and now the Otomo only have 2 regions left with 1 and 1/2 army stacks. They've been pushed out of their original lands and they have no access to any harbors either. I surround them with at least 4 armies of armor-bonus katana samurai. It's only a matter of time before they crumble.
Oh and by the way historically the Shimazu actually had some level of tolerance for Christians, as Kyushu was the main source of contact for the world outside of Japan. The Shimazu historically managed to defeat the Otomo (well not conquer) and had a huge role in developing Kyushu well into the Meiji Restoration. Christianity is barely practiced today in Japan anyway, though there are notable communities in Kyushu and surrounding islands like Tanegashima or Goto. A lot of churches and stuff built there by the Portuguese or Jesuits. But hardly prevailing over us barbarians.
Yes, all of this I know, but thank you. There's also a small Orthodox Christian community in Japan as well.
+Haiiro
Interesting.
The Shimazu crest threw me off as it is a cross? Or something similar? I thought they became Christian at some point but I guess not.
If I recall correctly, historical records show the cross crest existed before the arrival of Europeans and Christianity. Overlapping bars don't necessarily mean Christians, but I totally get the confusion.
Loved this episode, you go well into the details !
Wouldnt armor be better for tercos and other matchlock units? It would protect them from archer fire and would help tercos in melee, because accuracy doesnt seem very important to matchlock units in my expierience
Depends on your use of them. You can have them to shoot infantry and retreat behind your line or have your infantry charge forwards. You can also set them in the flanks and/or try using them for sniping.
In any of those cases, you will want accuracy. I usually do the foremost, copying a pike and shoot tactic. They damage mainline units and retreat to safety, never really needing much defense. You can use cav to attack enemy skirmishers. Donderbuss and Yari cav can both be devastating for that.
In this era to be a gunner you had to carry alot of shit lead powder the gun that could weigh more than 15 lbs so it would be brutal on the march to have armor on
Takeda next pls?
I find it Ironic that you mentioned Takeda. I wiped them out in just a few battles with my gunpowder units. They charged their cavalry and my many matchlocks killed them all before reaching my line. It reminded me of The Last Samurai a lot lol.
Learning The Good News that was an epic movie tbh
@@cultofmalgus1310 you literally roleplayed oda nobunaga in naghashino😂😂
This was really useful for me. I started an otomo campaign a few days ago and I've been having trouble with the right army comp. I tried to play it like FOTS and that... went poorly. With this I have something to try.
Best promo early is one European cannon and equal numbers of ashigaru spearmen with their ability and imported matchlock ashigaru with two light cavalry.
I have one major exploit to the nanban tradeport. In my campaign I purposely allowed my main province to be captured, allowing me to build another nanban port in Buzen. I then recaptured my home province and voila I had 2. The reason I did this is to capitalize on the pirate bonus for my crews on my european trade ships and cash in on the economy boost. And ofcourse now I can recruit with the accuracy bonus in buzen.
i just love this series, ur a genius for a begginer like me
cmon tokugawa next
also question, do cavalry still take bonus damage from yari when dismounted?
Just to make sure I understand your question correctly. You want to know if a dismounted unit still takes extra damage when fighting Yari units. If that's what you meant, then no, if the unit is dismounted, it's not considered cavalry anymore, it's infantry.
thank you
What if they get attacked while dismounting?
Why would you allow yourself to be attacked while dismounting?
Kodlaken a hasty defense gone horribly wrong?
love this series
Build Nanban, let the capital province revolt, build Nanban in Buzen and recapture capital. BOOM, TWO NANBAN PORTS!
Their ships are fucking stupid OP. I went Christian in one of my SHimazu campaigns just to see what those ships were about. WOW.....just a couple of hits from those cannons sent the entire AI fleet running. It was honestly kind of boring, since the ships fire so damn far, I basically hit start, turned broadside and fired....game over.
I also once lucked out and captured the Black Ship. It only had like 24 men on it, so it was super easy to salvage. THAT thing is crazy good to.
A high level Missionary can be extremely effective. He can disrupt a marching army or cripple the economy of enemy clans. You simply start a christian revolt. If left unattended the revolt will take the settlement and to stop the revolt the enemy has to use his armies. On top of that settlements held by christian rebels slowly convert to Christianity, which is nice considering the problem of religious unrest
The funnest clan to play as... at least from my perspective
Same. Them and Oda are god tier clans to play.
Speaking of god, DEYUS VULTO!!!
Do the bow upgrades in the research tree (better accuracy, rof, etc.) also count for matchlock troops?
Otomo in a nutshell
So i started blasting
I've spent the last two days trying the Otomo. I have yet to even manage to conquer all of Kyushu without the clan collapsing into rebellion...
0:44 Jokes on you, you can go quite Far with preist making rebels in provinces and the easily conquering them without declaring war for quite a while.
5:30 *loading Musket furiously*
In my play style, I make half of Japan have Christian rebellions, it's so damn fun. The economy tree is so OP when you manage your resources properly.
hell yes! my favourite clan!
Do Date next! Date is like my second favorite clan.
donderbuss cavalry dismounted to do castle defense sessions against the AI who prefers wall climbing vs burning gates
Instead of destroying your Nanban Trade Port in your capital, you could instead incite a rebellion in the capital and allow rebels to take it over, before building another Nanban Trade Port in Buzen, (giving you the boost in accuracy bonus for the Portugese Terco) and then recapturing the capital, giving you two and allowing you to bypass the one Nanban Trade Port rule thus furthering your income even more.
This Is the best clan if you want to try gunpowder units
I've just noticed that you forgot one thing. Otomo can recruit imported matchlocks in 1 turn that other clans with nanban trade port has to wait 4 turns to import
You know what, I didn't even know that. That doesn't happen very often. I don't think I've ever gone Christian with any clan other than the Otomo who start out Christian, and I never accept the offer for a Nanban Trade Port either so I don't think I've ever owned one as any other clan, besides after taking one from a different clan but I always demolish it right away.
I had build nanban port once when played as Date after Otomo campaign and noticed that. I'm glad that i could help in some way
BTW thanks for theese clan overviews, it really helps, and are briefly made strictly about the subject unlike the american styled reviews lasting 40 minutes with loads of unnecessery shittalk about nothing. I appreciate that and look forward for FotS clans overview.
One more feature. I've just started new Shimazu christian campaign and noticed that as a christian you get the 50% discount for recruitment cost of imported matchlocks ashigaru, and more over you can recruit them in 2 turns instead of 4 like other buddist clans. But Otomo still can recruit them in 1 turn. Geez i'll never get bored of this game.
I love you faction overviews, are you going to do rise of the samurai and the fall even though every faction is sort of similar? I'd watch either way.
Likely will do FotS at some point, but not for a while, I haven't played as most of those clans yet, and I don't want to spew out false information.
MrSmartDonkeyLP what about RoTS?
Much smaller chance of doing that. Not a huge fan of RotS, and clans are even more similar to each other in that. There's not a single clan specific unit for example.
Love the channel ;)
it's been ten years since the game came out but... pew pew!!
"unrelated general"
THAT'S KOBAYAKAWA. Hands down most sympathetic character in my mind lol
Deus Vult in Japan confirmed.
You could get two naban quarters by letting a enemy/rebel army take Buzen and building a second one in Bungo
Are you using a mod for maps? Those are amazing
i recall 1 game when i was fighting them and they owned 1/2 of japan i took most of their lands but it was a painnnnn they built so many lease lands and i could hardly build anything afterwards i wish i could get rid of them so i could properly build up those settlements
Can you still upgrade the nanban trade port to a nanban quarter if you move it? I noticed you didn't mention the Nanban trade ship at all in this overview, and I always thought having one fleet with a nanban trade ship to smash the mori clan and achieve naval hegemony was always a big boon for the Otomo.
You can, that's the whole point of moving the Nanban port, so you can get increased accuracy on your Portuguese Tercos, if you couldn't rebuild the Nanban Quarter, that would be entirely pointless. You just can't build more than 1, which is why you have to get rid of your first one. I didn't mention Nanban Trade ships because they aren't exclusive to the Otomo, anyone can build them, as long as they become Christian.
Ah but if you carefully snatch an important enemy province with a large and importance province, but the enemy is too strong for you to keep it for long, you can gimp the whole province by demolishing its buildings and building multiple land leases: combine with demolishing all the buildings and looting on capture and you can make a mint on one giant troll raid whilst letting the ai having to spend the vast time and money in repairing the damage
I really like this type of videos so i would like if you could do the same for the Rise and Fall of Samurai. I belive that a lot of your followers would appreciate this also. Keep up the good work
I've already done a few for Fall of the Samurai, which I might continue at some point. I don't think I'll ever do any for Rise though, I don't really like the game and the clans are too similar to justify a video for each one.
Why you setting katana samurais when you have portuguese tercos they are both good in melee.
I have the power of guns and god on my side!
- The otomo, probably
How about an army of mostly tericos and two fire rockets and dunderbuss cav
I usualy send my ship to block the route betwheen Kyushu and Honshu though i don't do the Naban tactic might have to try it cuz i usualy try and get matchlocks as fast as i can for my early armies xD
The video is good, but I don't see any reason to move the Nanban Quarter to Buzen, the matchlock units, especially the Otomo matchlocks, don't need the accuracy boost. Unlike Empire: Total War, the matchlocks in Shogun actually hit something, and are very effective. Other than that, the video is great!
You forgot to mention how catholic monks can literally, and I'm being exact, make EVERY region a rebellious state.
When I reduce the cost for my missionary action my girlfriend left me
Hatakeyama (minior, NPC) also starts with two provinces.
The Hatakeyama start with 4 provinces, but I was obviously referring to playable clans.
Otomo Clan
Otom Clan
Otoman
We must take Kyotosalem. For there lies the Holy Water of Kuchimakisake!
Desu Vult! Ishono Kami!
You can tell about Mori clan. Since you unfinished the legendary campaign
I kinda wished the Otomo victory cutscene played more on the fact Japan was now a Catholic/Christian nation... its just the same as the others with a statue of a man that doesn’t even feature a cross...
While Shogun 2 is easily an S tier game, one thing I will never understand is why guns are so rare and often not worth going for. Like, just looking it up, Oda Nobunaga ordered 500 matchlocks for his army in -1549-. Granted, 500 is relatively small amount for an army numbering thousands, but I don't know, the rarity of guns in Shogun 2 is just bizarre to me.
I usually, rather than destroy the nanban port, i build another one, and put out two nanban ships at once
How about a Mori guide? They are the hardest clan imo.
Question, what is more effective / efficient? Two trading posts with 5-5 tradeships each? Or One trading post with 10 tradeship inside it?
Depends a bit on the type of trade goods, but generally 2x5, there’s diminishing returns on each additional ship.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Thanks!
So anyway, I started blastin’
when you destroy the nanban port, how do you rebuild it, I thought it was something you can only do by event?
Can you do the uesugi clan overview?
Masters of Pewpew😂👌🏻 really good
It's tercio, not terco, tercio means a third (spanish, not portuguese, way of fighting with 1/3rd of mosketeers, 1/3rd of pikemen and 1/3 of infantry) btw terco in spanish means something like stubborn.
I don't know if you mean pronunciation or written, because it's written Terco(s). At least it is in the game, look it up. If it's pronounced different you can't blame me for not knowing, I'm not Portuguese or Spanish.
xDooM It has been 2 months, but as a Portuguese let me tell you: it is terço, the portuguese word for tercio. We adopted the word and used it in the same military context as the Spanish
Don't destroy your namban ports simply allow the enemy to capture then. Build a new namban port elsewhere then allow this to fall as well. keep doing this till the entire south island has one. Finally retake all ports and have the wealthiest empire in the game capable of producing multiple namban trade ships each turn.
Date ! :>
Why can’t the Portuguese be mounted they can work better because their good at swords melee.
The ikko ikki matchlok monk can actually beat the terico. The monks get the increased range skill. Giving them a free volley basically.
What if the tericos charge them ez claps
@@The_Dodge_Meister they die before reaching tge monks.
"Otomo, Master of Pew Pews"
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Slightly off topic, but I've been having an issue and can't seem to find an answer just using google.
Are there any hidden requirements to build the artisans building? I'm trying to build a fletcher in my Chosokabe campaign, but it won't give me the option. I think I am missing something, are they region specific, do I need to research something first? Or am I missing something else entirely?
to built master fletcher you need Senido knoledge ( tier 4 of Ki)
That's pretty good
No need to destroy the nanban port, just abandon the city after you have upgraded it to a nanban quarter and after you lose it, re-build in the other province, re-take the starting home and now you have two.
You actually have to do it twice, since western trading port is a unique 1 only building too, or wait 6 or so turns for it to built before recapturing
could you build lease land in a town you know is about to be lost?
Can you tell me how to retired my soldiers ? I want to replace some of them.