I think I can explain why takeda have better bow cavalry, in historical accuracy to be an effective horse archer you need mastery in riding the horse not the other way around
@Terence Black Also there were two very famous schools of Yabusame or japanese mounted archery and one of these was the Takeda School of Horseback Archery
For some reason this guy always choose tokugawa as the enemy in his presentation of units -except in the video he overviews Tokugawa where the Oda are the enemy.
@@Peristerygr Because Tokugawa and Mori are the only clans that have only standard land units except for the Tokugawa Ninja army which does not show up often.
I remember the tutorial was played with the Chosokabe, and that was my first experience with Shogun 2, so they are technically my first clan too, not my first clan to play a full campaign with though.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Exactly the same for me. Played them first, didn't finish that campaign since I played really bad :D First finished campaign was achieved with the Shimazu,
@@doeoelekamapagansansjd3845 RIP....but on low difficulty Uesugi are very powerful after you grab 10+ towns and form armies of gold armor Naginata warrior monks and gold accuracy bow warrior monks.
Chosokabe clan was best at Infantry archers because most of farmers owned Bows more than Yari or Tachi (5 CM shorter Katanas and mostly used swords in Japan. because Katanas were Blades of Nobles and longer forging it took) and also Chosokabe Cavalry archers arent as good as Takeda because province Tosa had least horses in Feudal Japan
Actually orginally Samurai fought as mounted archers and the Tachi was the original sword of the samurai. During the Kamakura peroid there was another sword the Uchigatana that was originally developed for lower ranking warriors who fought on foot and as a result the Uchigatana was usually of lesser quality make than the Tachi however during the Muromachi period the Samurai began fighting on foot more frequenetly which meant that Uchigatana of higher quality were being made. Due it was made to be used on foot the Uchigatana was designed to be quicker to draw than the tachi also the Unchigatna was often worn with the cutting edge of the blade worn upwards which differed from the Tachi where the blade was worn downwards. Other ways the Uchigatana differed from the Tachi was that the Uchigatana was shorter, the blade was straighter and the blades' was curvature near the sword's point (sakizori), as opposed to curvature near the sword's hilt (koshizori) like the tachi. By the Azuchi-Momoyama period the Tachi had been abandoned and the Uchigatana had developed into the Katana
@@RocketHarry865 Don't forget that the move from infantry to mounted warriors was due to the wars against the emishi peoples, since these were good at guerrilla warfare they caused many troubles to any expedition the emperor organized. Add to this that the infantry at the time was levy infantry that wasn't too happy with their terms of service. Cavalry had more flexibility and mobility, which made them better to launch expeditions against the emishi, and since keeping a horse was expensive it meant that cavalry was mainly made from nobles. This contributed to nobled gaining influence and power by serving as elite mounted troops, which would see the authority of the emperor slip towards local lords and their horse-back soldiers.
actually in my experience with the daikyu I've found that they tend to be better than monks. yes they may not be as accurate on paper but they get more kills per volley. which more than makes up for their shortcomings
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP a bit late to this conversation but, i think it depends on how you use them. i like to be quite aggressive even while playing with an archer heavy army and i often risk some of my bow units trying to get around and behind the enemy line engaging my mele line and shoot them from the back, i think both samurai and daikyu archers are less vulnerable if something goes wrong and they get engaged in mele partly thanks to their armor. i know it's probably not the best thing to do but i find it pretty fun. but if you don't plan on risking your archers and are gonna keep them safe from harm i think monk archers are the way to go, not sure about archer vs archer battles tho.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP The Daikyu have better armour penetration. So I assume they would do better against units with blacksmith improvements and against Naginata Samurai.
Pfft. Kunichika reached the age of 72-75 in my campaign. My first ever fully leveled up general. Almost united all of Japan with him. Sadly died when only 2 or so provinces were left
I'd really like to see teh Tokugawa overview at some point, partially because they seem like THEY hardest clan to play (or at the very least, they traits they get seem fairly shit) and yet, historically, they're the ones who ended up ruling Japan after this period.
Bladedwind they are actually not as difficult as they look, early game is nice and relaxing, and their late game units can help quite a bit if you bother with them
Thanks bro you helped me so much I didn't no what to do now I am roaming around japan with like 10 doomstacks basically crushing anything thanks again!
Hey bro I’d just like to say thank you for not swearing it Shows that you come from a Good family background that Has taught you how to be a well Mannered person unlike Some of the other people that Are Totally the Opposite from you it gives your channel a good reputation and is a pleasure to hear you speak on screen I just finished watching Someone Else playing the same game as you on there Channel and all they did was Swear f this and f that it’s a Totally stark Comparison to yours and gives him a bad Reputation for his channel you Should be proud of yourself And i command you on your fine conduct keep it up bro your really well for yourself and no doubt your Parents will be proud of you too 😊
I mean, you commented on another video asking why I swear so much 😝. On these edited videos I don’t swear because I write a script first, but in the regular playthroughs I do swear, I enjoy it. It is what it is.
The most satisfying clan for me. Almost nothing in Shogun 2 is quite as fun as watching a full stack of fully up upgraded chosokabe bow monks destroy units in seconds. The enemies can't even approach it. Then you can have a half stack of light cav and yari to reinforce and clean up shattered units.
My Choso playthrough was a short campaign so I didn't have time for a long Kyushu invasion. I will definitely go that route when I feel I am good enough for long/domination campaigns. I had two armies, one focused on taking Chugoku, the other, lead by my Daimyo consolidated the regions around Kyoto. By endgame, the Takeda had grown so large that they basically controlled the entirety of Eastern Japan except for a few Hojo holdouts. Fortunately, through a few well placed marriages, trade deals and sizable donations, The Takeda remained my steadfast ally even after realm divide and even helped me take Kyoto. Very fun campaign. I love this game.
As the Chosokabe once Shikoku is taken I would prioritise the provinces of Buzen for the Artisans giving archer accuarcy and Tsukushi and Settsu for the Philosophical Tradition which would either allow recruitment of better metsuke or reduction to research times
I am a defensive player so prime archers firing over the heads of heavily armoured naginata samurai sounds good to me. Have to make sure I sweep around their flanks if my archers don't rip the enemy to pieces. My centre line has buckled before.
Defensive oblique formation is so fun. Stack a bunch of your bows on one side with naginatas and katanas protecting them, then when the sheer amount of arrows cripples the enemy on that flank, push forward and steamroll horizontally across your battle line.
An advice for anyone playing Chosokabe. Your starting general beside Daimyo, named specifically Kire Masayo is a hidden, dishonest traitor. Do not raise this guy, toss him in some town or in the middle of nowhere, on a ship at the edge of the map, do not give him any army. Wait for newer general instead. This guy will always lose his loyalty stats FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason at all around turn 70. I have played all difficulty of this clan, he always become my best general cause at the start he was the only one to raise early on, it was a mistake. I thought thing will change when I play on legendary difficulty but the m**** f*****, who was leading the main defence forces of Shikoku island. The Takeda sent one lvl 1 agent and bought half of his forces and the general himself, and then I lost Shikoku to Takeda. DO NOT TRUST THE MOTHER F****R. After you taken Shikoku, wait for the heir.
Generals never lose loyalty randomly, there's always reasons for it. I've never had any issues with any general for any clan. You probably kept him in a town with buildings that have a chance of decreasing loyalty every turn.
I never find any event that decrease loyalty, except marrying Ambitious wife or some stupid Retainer options. Most of the time they turned into womanizer or fat-guy because I was busy preparing for Realm Divide so they sit around and has nothing to do for dozens of turns. Most of my generals came from bribery, so their low loyalty is quite a given, but can boost by Daimyo's honor. Fall of the Samurais is especially easy on this because you're guarantee 5 Honor Daimyo from research alone, one Heroic win / Retainer is all that you needed to max out Honor, and Heroic win is quite easy to get too due to AI spamming Levy Infantry which, while skewed power-bar and Auto-resolve to their side, get their teeth kicked in by even Spear Levy if you fight it out manually. And the skewed power-bar is exactly what you need for Heroic win) Vanilla Shogun 2 however needs 2 Heroic wins and/or 2 Retainers thus harder.
Kaleidoscope funny enough, I haven't face that problem, the only guy that defected in my play through is an upstart general, but then again I think he got killed early on since I used him as an expeditionary force to Attack the hatakeyama.
First-time player and I thought to use them for my first successful playthrough to simulate extending the tutorial. Held Kyoto around 1572 with stacks of around 6 Yari Ashigaru, 6 Katana Samurai, 4 Bow Ashigaru, and 4 Bow Samurai (plus what I thought made sense like either Nodachi Samurai or Yari Cavalry.) I mainly auto resolved since I wanted to learn the economic side of things first though. I still have to learn the pacing of expansion, I discontinued some playthroughs after taking too long to take the western most island and taking Buzen (religion issues)
2:35 but Buzen is normally owned by the Otomo and if you take that first, you can't rapidly expand without a monk since you need to convert the province.
a bit late to the party, but there's 1 thing to add about them that makes them quite different from any other clan. WIth only 3 harbors connected to their starting province, their trade options are very limited. Better farms isn't just a nice eco bonus, it's an absolute must to prevent their eco from falling far short of other clan's
A useful strategy for Chosokabe is to turn Christian fairly early on. Their special archer unit makes the loss of bow warrior monks not so noticeable as with a regular army and the dominance of the seas is extremely useful. Cannons are also actually pretty decent if you recruit them from a province with upgraded accuracy.
Chosokabe are my favourite clan. Their samurai in black suits of armour look either beautiful and dangerous. They reminds me elves of LoTR because they're great archers. I feel sory for them, since they were expelled from their land after the batle of Osaka.
Will you do Uesugi clan I'd really like to know a good army composition for them,or are you only gonna do them once you start a legendary campaign for them?
Rewatching this, I find one small criticism: When talking about the trade resources, I feel as though it doesn't quite do them justice without mentioning what you use them for, building wise, since you'll be up the higher tier buildings before you know it. Perhaps suggesting research paths might be a help, as well, or what you tend to do, yourself, which might be its own video's worth of content, but other than that, I'd say you are spot on, once more
One of the more interesting clans irl. Shogun II not having narrative missions is almost tragic since you cant follow the story of Chosokabe Motochika like in Nobunagas Ambition.
I am new to this game and I played as the first clan. In thay campaing I saw so many strange and unpreditible things like. 1.Immedietly Got trade with nanban. 2. The Mori and Tokugauwe destroyred. 3.Getting Europen tech in just a couple of turns. So that the things that happended in my campaing.
I know this comment is late but I am recently getting shogun back and suddenly it says a program caused the game to crash so I don't know a fix around this. Can you help I'm on the most recent update of my pc and is that why?
It says increased income from farms. But is this increased wealth output per farm (farms have +10% wealth) or increased tax rate on the farm aspect of province wealth (income from farms is +10%?)? Income is not wealth.
What do you think of the bow hero ? I think they are weak. The Bow warrior monk will have much more kills due to their increased unit size, furthermore the bow hero will run out of ammunition in a significantly shorter time than them. Their 127 accuracy is overkill I would say, since 1 volley of the bow monks will have more kills than 1 volley of the bow hero. IMO they just feel very powerful due to the fact that when you reach them, you already have so much buffs, about +45 accuracy and +10 reload. I would like to hear your say on this.
For the daughter I’d recommend marrying her to your general for the increased loyalty before making him your heir. Your actual flesh and blood son won’t come of age until your daimyo is cold and buried so having Succession lined up helps avoid needing a regent for several turns. While you loose a bit of loyalty in your blood son for disinheriting him by the time he comes of age you’ll have enough generals that you have have him commit sepuku with little loss if loyalty is a concern.
Are naginata samurai better than yari ashigaru in yari wall? The reason for me asking is you said naginata are the best defensive units for that type of army comp and I thought yari ashigaru in yari wall formation was better. Any helpful feedback is appreciated. Thanks!
Yari Ashigaru in Yari Wall are better when it comes to melee, but that's not the requirement here. The main job your front-line men do in this composition is tank enemy arrows, while your archers deal damage. You don't want a front-line of Yari Ashigaru getting torn apart by enemy Bow Samurai before your men even engage.
Excellent briefing thank you as are all the others, one minor request though, please can you speak a little slower in future, it just makes it easier to understand.
Yeah, unfortunately in these early scripted videos I talked quite fast as I thought that would help keep people with short attention spans watching, but I learned over time that that's not the way to go, if you watch any of my more recent scripted videos, I do talk much slowed and more understandable in those. I'm actually planning on redoing these clan overviews some day.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Makes sense, Thanks for the reply and it would be great to see them redone. Anyone with a short attention span is playing the wrong game if they're looking at any of the Total War franchise.
quick coop question, if I want to help my allies move across oceans with navy, do I have to gift my navy to them, or can they just stack their armies in my navy by default?
Yeah, that's the nice thing about co-ops in Shogun 2, you can recruit units with your clan bonuses and then gift them to your co-op partner, and vice versa. Meaning you can for example have an army with Shimazu Katanas and Chosokabe Bows.
MrSmartDonkeyLP nice, i can see a great charging army between date and takeda, actually does the limit on bulletproof samurai apply if some are gifted to an ally?
Why do you dislike the bow samurai, despite their clear advantages like better stats and armor piercing? And how do you deal with units not firing at enemy units because your own are facing them? Are you trying to flank them by bringing your archers to the side or what do you do?
I don't think Bow Samurai are bad, I'm not saying they're worse than Bow Ashigaru, I just tend to skip over them in favor of Bow Warrior Monks. There's no need to make the stop at Bow Samurai in my opinion, Bow Ashigaru will do fine until you can get Bow Warrior Monks. Yeah, flanking with archers is a fine strategy, if you can keep them safe from any enemy cavalry. Although it's rare that your archers have absolutely nothing to fire at.
I found that against armoured units daikyu samurai got more kills than than the bow warrior monks, might be worth investigating if you haven't already as I've also heard on forums that they have higher bow damage
The description says they do too, but I've found this not to be the case. I've tested them against all sort of units, Bow Warrior Monks always outclass them.
that's so strange I did tests on them just earlier today. I found that against naginata samurai the diakyu would get about 20 more kills before the naginata would reach the unit
I did the same exact test, let Naginata Samurai run towards the units, and the Bow Warrior Monks were still ahead in kills when the units reached them. I did start off with a fire arrows volley beforehand, not sure if it does, but that might make the difference.
Ah, the Arrow Bois. The best way to get your feet wet in Shogun 2. Of course, since they have some of the absolute best ranged units in the game, it's hard to not like them.
How do your units fire so accurately??? I can level bow monks with maxed out accuracy and they still cant hit the side of a barn. Also, what mod allows you to see unit ranges?
MrSmartDonkeyLP I tried that with the "see ranges" option set to yes and it still doesnt show. Only time I can kind of see is in the rain and even then not much.
Lmao, archers is one class that I just don't like to use or focus. I put 2 or 3 archer units in the army just for defending cities and assisting infantry. They really rely on terrains to be effective, mainly high grounds, even then they can be flanked cavalry. They need to be in large number to be super deadly but infantry can just overrun them...... The best way of fighting these types of ancient warfare is still infantry confronts the main force while cavalry finds weak spots and flanks.
I like the Chosokabe, but they're strange and frustrating because their abilities have no synergy with their geography. They get an income bonus from farms BUT the soil of Shikoku is mostly terrible. They are close to trade nodes and can build ships more cheaply because of their lumber resources BUT since trade ports have to have a land connection to the capital, their trade income is never going to be very high anyway. They get better archery units BUT the nearest province with fletchers is so far from your capital the game will be half over before you can really take advantage of it. So they're great farmers but not really and great traders but not really and great archers but not really. On top of that the Oda bow ashigaru are a better value than the Chosokabe bow ashigaru.
just keep a garrison army and some ninjas, alternatively, if u make good amount of money and realm divide has hit, wait for the army to land, and then pay repeatedly like 5-10 turns some big amount (since realm divide has hit, the nation will just declare war next turn and u wont have to pay even a koku, + their invading army will be teleported back to their lands
More like a ton of people searching for Shogun 2 videos because of Shogun 2 being free last year, and thus the algorithm pushing my videos again. So yes, but there’s a specific reason 😝
for me chosokabe in very hard difficulty is totally hell. The bessho, matsuda, ouchi and kikkawa always declare war on me no more than 10 turns..they keep invading shikoku making me no chance to expand outside the island. (forgive my poor english)
@@TT-wh6mu So I'm replay the chosokabe hard mode these two days and I follow the guide in this video of taking the Kyushu in start of the campaign..now I already control half of Japan and Hojo clan become the shogunate and alliance with takeda..now Hojo declare war against me and sent THREE full stacks of army to besiege one of my city and now I have to figure out how to break the siege lol
@@Pharis492 yea i perhaps should try the same. I play in very hard after 238 turn takeda and the fucking hojo dojo attack me. Chosokabe clan is total worthless on everything.
Chosokabe special unit has better armor penetration .? they can kill armored units much effectively , could you please read the unit descriptions and approve it with a test on an armored unit in comparison to other bow units ? :° also read that Monks have less penetration cause they relay on not charging the arrow thus faster reload less damage :° which indeed make it more effective against archers+ashigaro units+(highly) Monks and less against samurai , i hope you replay and help me improve i seek advice Sir. Great video btw learned much !
Shogun players I issue you a challenge You must beat the game with only units with bow and samurai in their unit name You may also have generals, heirs, and daimyos Let me know how long your victory takes
I think I can explain why takeda have better bow cavalry, in historical accuracy to be an effective horse archer you need mastery in riding the horse not the other way around
@Terence Black Also there were two very famous schools of Yabusame or japanese mounted archery and one of these was the Takeda School of Horseback Archery
The funny way of looking at it is; it does not matter how good an archer you are, if you keep falling off your horse.
@Terence Black **KCD flashbacks**
@@thepizzafoogle5481 If only it was an arrow to the knee and not the thigh
@@locococo8961 That would've made for a very slow game.
Many Tokugawa Warriors were harmed in the making of this video
No that's the Oda video.
For some reason this guy always choose tokugawa as the enemy in his presentation of units -except in the video he overviews Tokugawa where the Oda are the enemy.
No tokugawa warriors are harmed in the film production
@@Peristerygr Because Tokugawa and Mori are the only clans that have only standard land units except for the Tokugawa Ninja army which does not show up often.
the first clan i've ever played in shogun 2 :3
I remember the tutorial was played with the Chosokabe, and that was my first experience with Shogun 2, so they are technically my first clan too, not my first clan to play a full campaign with though.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Exactly the same for me. Played them first, didn't finish that campaign since I played really bad :D First finished campaign was achieved with the Shimazu,
I think mine was Hojo.
i played as the Uesegi Big mistake
@@doeoelekamapagansansjd3845 RIP....but on low difficulty Uesugi are very powerful after you grab 10+ towns and form armies of gold armor Naginata warrior monks and gold accuracy bow warrior monks.
Oh and btw. When you do take Buzen, make sure to also make a Encampment and then Hunting Lodge. It gives +5 accuracy
The armoury is way better. The only reason you'd build a hunting lodge is to recruit daikyu samurai.
“No! You can’t just spam archers and rice farms!”
“Hehe bow-men go pew”
rice farmer with bow=dead samuaris
Still to this day, you continuously make me wanna return to this game :)
Sebastian Chantre... I bought the game last week and have likehours now lol
Sebastian Chantre well like 2 weeks ago or 3 i think
I've watched all of these "clan overviews" atleast 3 times each, that's how good they are!
Same
Chosokabe clan was best at Infantry archers because most of farmers owned Bows more than Yari or Tachi (5 CM shorter Katanas and mostly used swords in Japan. because Katanas were Blades of Nobles and longer forging it took)
and also Chosokabe Cavalry archers arent as good as Takeda because province Tosa had least horses in Feudal Japan
Actually orginally Samurai fought as mounted archers and the Tachi was the original sword of the samurai. During the Kamakura peroid there was another sword the Uchigatana that was originally developed for lower ranking warriors who fought on foot and as a result the Uchigatana was usually of lesser quality make than the Tachi however during the Muromachi period the Samurai began fighting on foot more frequenetly which meant that Uchigatana of higher quality were being made. Due it was made to be used on foot the Uchigatana was designed to be quicker to draw than the tachi also the Unchigatna was often worn with the cutting edge of the blade worn upwards which differed from the Tachi where the blade was worn downwards. Other ways the Uchigatana differed from the Tachi was that the Uchigatana was shorter, the blade was straighter and the blades' was curvature near the sword's point (sakizori), as opposed to curvature near the sword's hilt (koshizori) like the tachi. By the Azuchi-Momoyama period the Tachi had been abandoned and the Uchigatana had developed into the Katana
What do farmers have to do with samurai?
@@RocketHarry865 Don't forget that the move from infantry to mounted warriors was due to the wars against the emishi peoples, since these were good at guerrilla warfare they caused many troubles to any expedition the emperor organized. Add to this that the infantry at the time was levy infantry that wasn't too happy with their terms of service.
Cavalry had more flexibility and mobility, which made them better to launch expeditions against the emishi, and since keeping a horse was expensive it meant that cavalry was mainly made from nobles. This contributed to nobled gaining influence and power by serving as elite mounted troops, which would see the authority of the emperor slip towards local lords and their horse-back soldiers.
And yet the Oda have better bow ashigaru than the Chosokabe.
actually in my experience with the daikyu I've found that they tend to be better than monks. yes they may not be as accurate on paper but they get more kills per volley. which more than makes up for their shortcomings
I've done a lot (and I mean a lot) of testing, and Bow Warrior Monks always kill faster, no matter which unit is targeted.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP a bit late to this conversation but, i think it depends on how you use them. i like to be quite aggressive even while playing with an archer heavy army and i often risk some of my bow units trying to get around and behind the enemy line engaging my mele line and shoot them from the back, i think both samurai and daikyu archers are less vulnerable if something goes wrong and they get engaged in mele partly thanks to their armor. i know it's probably not the best thing to do but i find it pretty fun.
but if you don't plan on risking your archers and are gonna keep them safe from harm i think monk archers are the way to go, not sure about archer vs archer battles tho.
20 more men plus more armor means Daikyu samurai win every time pretty much
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP The Daikyu have better armour penetration. So I assume they would do better against units with blacksmith improvements and against Naginata Samurai.
Great videos keep em up! Im glad that there's still active Shogun 2 youtubers.
I love your videos man. They really helped me understand this game on another level! Keep it up!
I love sieges as the chosokabe, if I have Yari wall I just set my archers outside the castle and don’t take more than 100 losses
Pfft. Kunichika reached the age of 72-75 in my campaign. My first ever fully leveled up general. Almost united all of Japan with him. Sadly died when only 2 or so provinces were left
So Chosokabe is just England from M2TW
@Dmitri Patronov Blimey at least y'er clan ain't croked in the first turn like the Oda, quite glad innit
*laughs in Yari+Bow ashigaru*
No. Enlgand wishes to be Chosokabe.
@@IAmTh3Doom nah. england are the ogs
I'd really like to see teh Tokugawa overview at some point, partially because they seem like THEY hardest clan to play (or at the very least, they traits they get seem fairly shit) and yet, historically, they're the ones who ended up ruling Japan after this period.
They won through politics. Oda paved the way, Hideyoshi cleaned house and then Ieyasu took over. A brilliant show on the long run. Not viable in game.
Bladedwind they are actually not as difficult as they look, early game is nice and relaxing, and their late game units can help quite a bit if you bother with them
@@LuizAlexPhoenixHow do you convince a stubborn songbird to sing?
Nobunaga: "Threaten to kill it."
Hideyoshi: "Persuade it."
Ieyasu: "Just wait."
Thanks bro you helped me so much I didn't no what to do now I am roaming around japan with like 10 doomstacks basically crushing anything thanks again!
Nice video, love your style. Subbed and i'm gonna look through all your old vids ^^
I remember that starting Chosokabe general, Kira Masayo. That douchbag always sold me out around turn 60-70
That ungrateful son of the bi***
You probably left him in a town with a Sake Den, or made him stronger than the daimyo. Idk otherwise.
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And i command you on your fine conduct keep it up bro your really well for yourself and no doubt your Parents will be proud of you too 😊
I mean, you commented on another video asking why I swear so much 😝.
On these edited videos I don’t swear because I write a script first, but in the regular playthroughs I do swear, I enjoy it. It is what it is.
Cool video! Thanks for the tips!
The most satisfying clan for me. Almost nothing in Shogun 2 is quite as fun as watching a full stack of fully up upgraded chosokabe bow monks destroy units in seconds. The enemies can't even approach it. Then you can have a half stack of light cav and yari to reinforce and clean up shattered units.
My first clan in my playtrough :).
My Choso playthrough was a short campaign so I didn't have time for a long Kyushu invasion. I will definitely go that route when I feel I am good enough for long/domination campaigns. I had two armies, one focused on taking Chugoku, the other, lead by my Daimyo consolidated the regions around Kyoto. By endgame, the Takeda had grown so large that they basically controlled the entirety of Eastern Japan except for a few Hojo holdouts. Fortunately, through a few well placed marriages, trade deals and sizable donations, The Takeda remained my steadfast ally even after realm divide and even helped me take Kyoto. Very fun campaign. I love this game.
As the Chosokabe once Shikoku is taken I would prioritise the provinces of Buzen for the Artisans giving archer accuarcy and Tsukushi and Settsu for the Philosophical Tradition which would either allow recruitment of better metsuke or reduction to research times
I am a defensive player so prime archers firing over the heads of heavily armoured naginata samurai sounds good to me. Have to make sure I sweep around their flanks if my archers don't rip the enemy to pieces. My centre line has buckled before.
You sure do like your red corners don't you?
Jack Obrein What!? You use edible fish eggs to flank enemy armies?!
@@excessivedeusvulter8739 poison works well on peasants
Defensive oblique formation is so fun. Stack a bunch of your bows on one side with naginatas and katanas protecting them, then when the sheer amount of arrows cripples the enemy on that flank, push forward and steamroll horizontally across your battle line.
This is my favorite clan!!
An advice for anyone playing Chosokabe. Your starting general beside Daimyo, named specifically Kire Masayo is a hidden, dishonest traitor. Do not raise this guy, toss him in some town or in the middle of nowhere, on a ship at the edge of the map, do not give him any army. Wait for newer general instead. This guy will always lose his loyalty stats FOR ABSOLUTELY no reason at all around turn 70. I have played all difficulty of this clan, he always become my best general cause at the start he was the only one to raise early on, it was a mistake. I thought thing will change when I play on legendary difficulty but the m**** f*****, who was leading the main defence forces of Shikoku island. The Takeda sent one lvl 1 agent and bought half of his forces and the general himself, and then I lost Shikoku to Takeda.
DO NOT TRUST THE MOTHER F****R. After you taken Shikoku, wait for the heir.
Generals never lose loyalty randomly, there's always reasons for it. I've never had any issues with any general for any clan. You probably kept him in a town with buildings that have a chance of decreasing loyalty every turn.
I never find any event that decrease loyalty, except marrying Ambitious wife or some stupid Retainer options. Most of the time they turned into womanizer or fat-guy because I was busy preparing for Realm Divide so they sit around and has nothing to do for dozens of turns.
Most of my generals came from bribery, so their low loyalty is quite a given, but can boost by Daimyo's honor.
Fall of the Samurais is especially easy on this because you're guarantee 5 Honor Daimyo from research alone, one Heroic win / Retainer is all that you needed to max out Honor, and Heroic win is quite easy to get too due to AI spamming Levy Infantry which, while skewed power-bar and Auto-resolve to their side, get their teeth kicked in by even Spear Levy if you fight it out manually. And the skewed power-bar is exactly what you need for Heroic win)
Vanilla Shogun 2 however needs 2 Heroic wins and/or 2 Retainers thus harder.
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It's not about them sitting in town doing nothing, it's about them sitting in town with sake den or higher
Kaleidoscope funny enough, I haven't face that problem, the only guy that defected in my play through is an upstart general, but then again I think he got killed early on since I used him as an expeditionary force to Attack the hatakeyama.
Sounds like you've had Honor issues friend
First-time player and I thought to use them for my first successful playthrough to simulate extending the tutorial. Held Kyoto around 1572 with stacks of around 6 Yari Ashigaru, 6 Katana Samurai, 4 Bow Ashigaru, and 4 Bow Samurai (plus what I thought made sense like either Nodachi Samurai or Yari Cavalry.)
I mainly auto resolved since I wanted to learn the economic side of things first though. I still have to learn the pacing of expansion, I discontinued some playthroughs after taking too long to take the western most island and taking Buzen (religion issues)
2:35 but Buzen is normally owned by the Otomo and if you take that first, you can't rapidly expand without a monk since you need to convert the province.
a bit late to the party, but there's 1 thing to add about them that makes them quite different from any other clan. WIth only 3 harbors connected to their starting province, their trade options are very limited. Better farms isn't just a nice eco bonus, it's an absolute must to prevent their eco from falling far short of other clan's
I do love the grace of archery and elegant nature of killing from afar.
A useful strategy for Chosokabe is to turn Christian fairly early on. Their special archer unit makes the loss of bow warrior monks not so noticeable as with a regular army and the dominance of the seas is extremely useful. Cannons are also actually pretty decent if you recruit them from a province with upgraded accuracy.
Chosokabe are my favourite clan. Their samurai in black suits of armour look either beautiful and dangerous. They reminds me elves of LoTR because they're great archers. I feel sory for them, since they were expelled from their land after the batle of Osaka.
Love your videos
Will you do Uesugi clan I'd really like to know a good army composition for them,or are you only gonna do them once you start a legendary campaign for them?
Rewatching this, I find one small criticism: When talking about the trade resources, I feel as though it doesn't quite do them justice without mentioning what you use them for, building wise, since you'll be up the higher tier buildings before you know it.
Perhaps suggesting research paths might be a help, as well, or what you tend to do, yourself, which might be its own video's worth of content, but other than that, I'd say you are spot on, once more
Super helpful
My first and fav clan ;) Bow master race!
at last chosokabe! that bow warrior monks are beasts!
Please do Togukawa as I am interested in how I can play as them and not take out Oda, and become fully independent.
I like to see 1 on the hojo's but take yer time I enjoy what I seen
Another great video on the clans
Thanks Kieran!
One of the more interesting clans irl. Shogun II not having narrative missions is almost tragic since you cant follow the story of Chosokabe Motochika like in Nobunagas Ambition.
Since the Oda are the masters of peasenty it would be more logical if they had an increased farm income.
This was the first clan I played as
Uesugi clan next please
those miyoshi declare war on me turn 2 every damn time on Legendary and steal Tosa while I'm finishing the rebels
Love these guys.
could you do these kinds of videos but for Total War warhammer 1&2 factions?
I'd like to add something, iyo and tosa are actually two of the best provinces in the region as they start of with a large amount of town wealth.
masters of long range acupuncture
I am new to this game and I played as the first clan. In thay campaing I saw so many strange and unpreditible things like.
1.Immedietly Got trade with nanban.
2. The Mori and Tokugauwe destroyred.
3.Getting Europen tech in just a couple of turns.
So that the things that happended in my campaing.
長宗我部
one of the most feared family after 長宗我部元親 became daimyo in the Sengoku era
Any idea what happened to this Clan? The last recorded member of the Chosokabe in wikipedia was a Christian Missionary in 1940s Hawaii.
Is there any benefit/malus to getting accuracy over 100? In this or Fall of the Samurai.
I wonder what the Uesugi clan formations look like
I know this comment is late but I am recently getting shogun back and suddenly it says a program caused the game to crash so I don't know a fix around this. Can you help I'm on the most recent update of my pc and is that why?
0:03 ikko ikki has something to say about that.
It says increased income from farms. But is this increased wealth output per farm (farms have +10% wealth) or increased tax rate on the farm aspect of province wealth (income from farms is +10%?)? Income is not wealth.
I think dakiyu samuri are better cause of extra 20 men as they level up and receive province upgrades
Do the hojo clan next
can you please do Hojo next?
Hi ... next please Mori clan :) :)
What do you think of the bow hero ? I think they are weak.
The Bow warrior monk will have much more kills due to their increased unit size, furthermore the bow hero will run out of ammunition in a significantly shorter time than them.
Their 127 accuracy is overkill I would say, since 1 volley of the bow monks will have more kills than 1 volley of the bow hero.
IMO they just feel very powerful due to the fact that when you reach them, you already have so much buffs, about +45 accuracy and +10 reload.
I would like to hear your say on this.
I agree, I'm not a huge fan of most of the hero units, and the Bow Hero is definitely towards the lower end of the spectrum.
Masters of twang
Uesugi
Chosokabe Bows go BRRRRT
For the daughter I’d recommend marrying her to your general for the increased loyalty before making him your heir. Your actual flesh and blood son won’t come of age until your daimyo is cold and buried so having Succession lined up helps avoid needing a regent for several turns. While you loose a bit of loyalty in your blood son for disinheriting him by the time he comes of age you’ll have enough generals that you have have him commit sepuku with little loss if loyalty is a concern.
Are naginata samurai better than yari ashigaru in yari wall? The reason for me asking is you said naginata are the best defensive units for that type of army comp and I thought yari ashigaru in yari wall formation was better. Any helpful feedback is appreciated. Thanks!
Yari Ashigaru in Yari Wall are better when it comes to melee, but that's not the requirement here. The main job your front-line men do in this composition is tank enemy arrows, while your archers deal damage. You don't want a front-line of Yari Ashigaru getting torn apart by enemy Bow Samurai before your men even engage.
Excellent briefing thank you as are all the others, one minor request though, please can you speak a little slower in future, it just makes it easier to understand.
Yeah, unfortunately in these early scripted videos I talked quite fast as I thought that would help keep people with short attention spans watching, but I learned over time that that's not the way to go, if you watch any of my more recent scripted videos, I do talk much slowed and more understandable in those. I'm actually planning on redoing these clan overviews some day.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Makes sense, Thanks for the reply and it would be great to see them redone. Anyone with a short attention span is playing the wrong game if they're looking at any of the Total War franchise.
quick coop question, if I want to help my allies move across oceans with navy, do I have to gift my navy to them, or can they just stack their armies in my navy by default?
You'll have to gift them the navy, can't move on your co-op partners navies sadly. Would've been a nice feature.
MrSmartDonkeyLP alright then, if it were mori navy being gifted do they still keep the bonuses of being mori?
Yeah, that's the nice thing about co-ops in Shogun 2, you can recruit units with your clan bonuses and then gift them to your co-op partner, and vice versa. Meaning you can for example have an army with Shimazu Katanas and Chosokabe Bows.
MrSmartDonkeyLP nice, i can see a great charging army between date and takeda, actually does the limit on bulletproof samurai apply if some are gifted to an ally?
You can recruit 4, gift them to your ally and then recruit 4 again.
What is your opinion on Shogun 2 Darthmod? is it worth modding it into the vanilla game?
Can't tell you, I've never used Darthmod, I probably will in the future, but for now I still have plenty to do on Vanilla.
Man I wish they’d make another Shogun the way they did 3 kingdoms
Oh, god no
Why do you dislike the bow samurai, despite their clear advantages like better stats and armor piercing?
And how do you deal with units not firing at enemy units because your own are facing them?
Are you trying to flank them by bringing your archers to the side or what do you do?
I don't think Bow Samurai are bad, I'm not saying they're worse than Bow Ashigaru, I just tend to skip over them in favor of Bow Warrior Monks. There's no need to make the stop at Bow Samurai in my opinion, Bow Ashigaru will do fine until you can get Bow Warrior Monks.
Yeah, flanking with archers is a fine strategy, if you can keep them safe from any enemy cavalry. Although it's rare that your archers have absolutely nothing to fire at.
I found that against armoured units daikyu samurai got more kills than than the bow warrior monks, might be worth investigating if you haven't already as I've also heard on forums that they have higher bow damage
The description says they do too, but I've found this not to be the case. I've tested them against all sort of units, Bow Warrior Monks always outclass them.
that's so strange I did tests on them just earlier today.
I found that against naginata samurai the diakyu would get about 20 more kills before the naginata would reach the unit
both tested on the same map with same parameters too
I did the same exact test, let Naginata Samurai run towards the units, and the Bow Warrior Monks were still ahead in kills when the units reached them. I did start off with a fire arrows volley beforehand, not sure if it does, but that might make the difference.
oh yeah I didn't try fire arrows so maybe that had an affect
Ah, the Arrow Bois. The best way to get your feet wet in Shogun 2. Of course, since they have some of the absolute best ranged units in the game, it's hard to not like them.
0:06 jesus christ thats so real
How do your units fire so accurately??? I can level bow monks with maxed out accuracy and they still cant hit the side of a barn. Also, what mod allows you to see unit ranges?
That’s not a mod, just hold the space bar.
MrSmartDonkeyLP I tried that with the "see ranges" option set to yes and it still doesnt show. Only time I can kind of see is in the rain and even then not much.
I came here looking for a recommendation for tech tree
plz do the eusugi
Lmao, archers is one class that I just don't like to use or focus. I put 2 or 3 archer units in the army just for defending cities and assisting infantry. They really rely on terrains to be effective, mainly high grounds, even then they can be flanked cavalry. They need to be in large number to be super deadly but infantry can just overrun them...... The best way of fighting these types of ancient warfare is still infantry confronts the main force while cavalry finds weak spots and flanks.
-A French noble, 24 October 1415, one day before the Battle of Agincourt
I like the Chosokabe, but they're strange and frustrating because their abilities have no synergy with their geography.
They get an income bonus from farms BUT the soil of Shikoku is mostly terrible.
They are close to trade nodes and can build ships more cheaply because of their lumber resources BUT since trade ports have to have a land connection to the capital, their trade income is never going to be very high anyway.
They get better archery units BUT the nearest province with fletchers is so far from your capital the game will be half over before you can really take advantage of it.
So they're great farmers but not really and great traders but not really and great archers but not really.
On top of that the Oda bow ashigaru are a better value than the Chosokabe bow ashigaru.
Fletchers is the thing that buff accuracy, right? I thought Buzen is pretty close.
Nooo, i want Mori...Ships are love, ships are life!
*then they get wrecked by the European caravels.* also they are Portuguese. :P deal with it!!!!
too bad Kyoto has no naval route...
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The starting position is not easy at all because it forves you to have a navy and you cant defend ur island once u expand
just keep a garrison army and some ninjas,
alternatively, if u make good amount of money and realm divide has hit, wait for the army to land, and then pay repeatedly like 5-10 turns some big amount (since realm divide has hit, the nation will just declare war next turn and u wont have to pay even a koku, + their invading army will be teleported back to their lands
so the youtube algorithm brought us back here huh
More like a ton of people searching for Shogun 2 videos because of Shogun 2 being free last year, and thus the algorithm pushing my videos again. So yes, but there’s a specific reason 😝
for me chosokabe in very hard difficulty is totally hell. The bessho, matsuda, ouchi and kikkawa always declare war on me no more than 10 turns..they keep invading shikoku making me no chance to expand outside the island. (forgive my poor english)
I have seen other guys "play legendary ". No fucking in hell they are playing at legendary or very hard. Their AI is to fucking easy.
@@TT-wh6mu So I'm replay the chosokabe hard mode these two days and I follow the guide in this video of taking the Kyushu in start of the campaign..now I already control half of Japan and Hojo clan become the shogunate and alliance with takeda..now Hojo declare war against me and sent THREE full stacks of army to besiege one of my city and now I have to figure out how to break the siege lol
@@Pharis492 yea i perhaps should try the same. I play in very hard after 238 turn takeda and the fucking hojo dojo attack me. Chosokabe clan is total worthless on everything.
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Chosokabe are the England of Japan
You dont mention chosokabe archers decreased upkeep costs,which is the most important.
Yes I did. I mentioned it at the start of the video, in the Clan Traits section.
Pay attention...
uesugi plox!
Chosokabe special unit has better armor penetration .? they can kill armored units much effectively , could you please read the unit descriptions and approve it with a test on an armored unit in comparison to other bow units ? :° also read that Monks have less penetration cause they relay on not charging the arrow thus faster reload less damage :° which indeed make it more effective against archers+ashigaro units+(highly) Monks and less against samurai , i hope you replay and help me improve i seek advice Sir. Great video btw learned much !
Shogun players I issue you a challenge
You must beat the game with only units with bow and samurai in their unit name
You may also have generals, heirs, and daimyos
Let me know how long your victory takes
Lol thats not difficult at all
Bae clan
Daikyu Samurai are better than Bow Monks against heavily armored enemies due to having armor piercing missiles.
Nope. Bow monks are faster and outpace Daikyu because of this.
Does anyone else think their emblem looks like an Oreo?
Holden Vallei N...No?
This explains why so many noobs spam bows in multiplayer.
he skipped one
One what?
oh sorry my bad i didn't mean to send that i was watching another video must of pressed the wrong tab
The most mediocre clan of the game since it is the only that doesn't appear in neither the best clans list nor the worst clans list. ;)
Could u speak a bit slowly .... Ur words merge making it hard to understand
I do in newer videos like this.