The $15 Minimum Wage Is Turning Hard Workers Into Black Market Lawbreakers
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- An in-depth look at New York's car wash industry, and the real world consequences of politicians interfering with a complex industry they don’t understand.
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On March 4, 2015, a group of union leaders, activists, and elected officials were arrested for blocking traffic during a protest in front of a Vegas Auto Spa, a small car wash in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Chanting "No contract, no peace!" and "Si se puede!," they had come in support of striking workers, who had walked out demanding a union contract after allegedly being subjected to dismal working conditions.
For David Mertz, the New York City director and a vice president at the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU), it was an inspirational moment in an ambitious six-year campaign to unionize the city's car washes industry.
"These workers were willing to stand out there during one of the coldest winters...literally in decades to fight for their rights and for basic human dignity," says Mertz, who was also arrested that day. "You have the ability to make change by coming together, and when you do that sometimes you find that you've got some friends on your side."
In the past six years, the car wash industry, which employs low-skilled, mostly immigrant workers, has also been the target of lawsuits for alleged underpayment of wages, including a handful of cases spearheaded by the New York State Attorney General's office. Working conditions in the industry were also cited as a raison d'être in the successful campaign to raise the state minimum wage to $15 per hour, which takes full effect at New York City car washes in January of 2019.
As Reason chronicled in a feature story in our July 2016 issue, the real world impact of the unionization drive, the lawsuits, and the $15 minimum wage has been mainly to push car washes to automate and to close down.
Two years later, there are more unintended consequences. The $15 minimum wage is fostering a growing black market-workers increasingly have no choice but to ply their trade out of illegal vans parked on the street, because the minimum wage has made it illegal for anyone to hire them at the market rate.
The minimum wage is also cartelizing the industry: Businesses that have chosen to automate are benefiting from the $15 wage floor because outlawing cheap labor makes it harder for new competitors to undercut them on price and service.
As a sequel to the 2016 article, this video takes an in-depth look at the real world consequences that result when politicians interfere with a complex industry they don't understand, enabled by media coverage that rarely questions the overly simplistic tale of exploited workers in need of protection.
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We need to lower the wages for professional politicians
Actually this is worse, because then the people who take the job will be wealthy business owners who can use taxpayer money to enrich their businesses. That leads to more corruption.
We need all politicians to put their assets in a blind trust. A truly blind trust
I mean the thing is they payer their own salaries and people call CEO's greedy at least they don't make their money by taking money from other people..
@@jankoleon3785 Where do you think CEOs money comes from? Lol
And ceo's
Trump doesn't even draw a salary
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble; finding it everywhere, diagnosing it wrongly, and applying unsuitable remedies"-Grouch Marx
The Marx Brothers are the only Marxists that. ever made any sense.
If they don’t find problems they created and then come up with solutions to fat themselves.
Interesting
Nice quote
SPOT ON!!!!!!! That may be the best line of the century! :)
"NYC is the Progressive capital of the Nation" which means it is getting progressively more expensive to live there increasing those that will live in poverty.
It's getting progressively worse to live there.
Nyc has been one of the most expensive cities to live in for a long time, the only difference now is that regular people can't afford to live there anymore. I wonder how we can fix that?
@@douchopotamus3755 Tax all the rich people and give it to the underclass. Then when the rich people all leave, the underclass will descend into abject poverty and the city will be done. Thank your liberal leaders - especially the mayor who is a fool.
@@networth8754 if all the rich people leave property values go down and people can afford housing. So obviously all the rich people didn't leave. Wouldn't the underclass just follow the rich people? "If I can't make a living I go somewhere else" right?
What drives up the single largest cost of living, rent? Capitalism drives up rent, not progressivism.
In LA when the $15/hr car wash worker thing happened, a car wash by one of my favorite lunch spots went dark for 6 months for construction and when it reopened, it was fully automated. The 8-10 guys that used to hand wash and dry were all gone. So progressive.
That's the goal. The powers that be have disdain for middle America.
It's almost like politicians are out of touch. Especially those in NY. How these people keep getting reelected is beyond me.
@@newguy3588 Impossible! They are selected by Democracy!
@@arielvega6344 lol
Not to sound like a dick but 15$ an hour is an entry level job. Nobody should be in a situation where its the only work they can get. Obviously some are in this
situation but maybe they got comfortable or dont feel confident enough to want more? 15$ an hour isnt enough to live.
This is what happens when you allow politicians to "solve" your problems. Most people have ZERO understanding about how business works.
Wish I could vote myself a raise.
@@jockellis Be a Democrat, and get elected to something. You can then vote YOURSELF a raise. To be fair, Republicans do it too. Then if your constituents do not like you, It will take years to vote you out.
@@Rat-Builder Right both parties are doing so well with the coronavirus. Afterall Rush Limbaugh Medal of Freedom winner said it was just another Get Trump scam. by using the CCP as late as March 13 to combat nothing but a common cold virus. The Chinese were supposedly laughing at us. Now Congress is passing "Trump Socialism". Since they have had the dickens scared out of them.
@Harry Moobs Why do we need over 800 foreign military bases? Why do we need to build 22 billion dollars worth of nuclear powered submarines along with the nuclear tipped missiles to launch from them. Gov't shouldn't be about the war business but the peace business. We are entering a crisis that will NOT go away in a few weeks. Thousands are losing their jobs and thousands of small businesses are being ordered closed.
@Robert Slackware No Congress spent its time in its fake impeachment activity and people like you and Tump Medal of Freedom Winner Rush Limbaugh was calling it just a cold virus. I'm in Red State Texas I haven't seen toilet paper for 3 weeks now are the orders issued from Republican Gov Gregg Abbott fake? So you're still calling this a cold virus hoax. I'm wondering if people like those with the screen name Slackware aren't playing with their pud.
I wash my car myself for free. I'm going on strike.
J Zerballs it’s not free...you are spending the most precious commodity “time” ...we can all get more money but we can’t get more time
@@marioruiz6316 So, you stand around watching someone else wash your car. And pay them to do it. Or, do they go to your house and get your car wash it and return it? You must be rich.
I don't wash my car nor do I pay anyone else to wash it. It's an old car. Who cares?
@@marioruiz6316 Washing your own car is great exercise and I don't need to pay to exercise at a gym. It's a win-win for me.
They will shot u down for not paying yourself 😂😅
Reason: “It hurts when you crush people’s hands in a Vice.”
Union Boss: “Yeah, I disagree. The pain may not necessarily be because of the Vice grip.”
Reason: “The guy whose hand is being crushed said the Vice grip hurts.”
Union Boss: “Yeah, I understand that it might be portrayed to you that way, but I’m suggesting it may not be true.”
🤦🏻♂️
But please pay your Union dues so we can file a grievance for better vices that don’t squeeze too easily even though it will eventually squeeze your hand off
Pretty much exactly what the union man says. He only gets paid if he has members paying dues. Of course he wants unions regardless of how bad it is for the worker.
@Barb Halls I was a fisherman for years in Northern Canada. We had the "Fisheries Union". My Dad stopped paying dues to them as they only fought for the rights of the big offshore fishermen, not the inshore. The offshore fishery started a couple of months earlier, made tons more money, even though the fish caught by drag bags were squished and soft, garbage fish. Inshore fishery was hands on, pulling nets, trawls, jiggers and traps. Much better quality fish. When it came time to open the inshore fishery, the government would say "oh there's a GLUT on the market... too much fish from the offshore, therefore we can only give you 21 cents a pound" vs probably 50 or 60 for the inferior fish from the offshore. And the Fisheries Union would do nothing. Same after we "lost" the fishery due to the Offshore fleets overfishing, We lost our boats. The fisheries union stepped in and helped the Offshore crowd not lose theirs, as theirs were worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. Useless as teats on a bull!
@@privatear2001 who cares about the little guy anyways, right? Not the government nor the union leaders that's who.
I'm in the sheet metal workers union in Arizona and I get paid more than everybody in my profession who is non-union. Also have full benefits for me and my family.
Like one of my relatives famously once said ... "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
Great quote!
Smart man your relative. It has been known for a very long time that most people do not make rational logical choices when they are either angry or afraid. To think this basic human truth is not used by those who would benefit from directing/controlling the herd is being naive.
love it
The Government union guy can hardly make eye contact while he is telling his lies.
I noticed that as well. Also, looking down and then to the left toward the interviewer is often a sign of shame or guilt.
is he a government guy or a union guy? theres no such thing as a government union guy.
@@TheSuperappelflap A government guy that is pro-union and is happy to give unions unequal support against companies.
@@TheSuperappelflap How do government bureaucrats get unionized, then?
@@VAspeed3 they can start a union. afaik it hasnt happened. anyway, that doesnt have anything to do with the car wash union or any other union in private business. its very american to automatically idenfity any power structure with government
"The man said protect us from who?" 😂..."if I want to I will find another job"
THAT is a real man! The union boss piece of shit? He’s a spineless, thieving pussy boy just like every other union “boss” or rep.
Another job that pays essentially nothing...
@@Soff1859 Why is your opinion of his wages relevant? What he is saying is that he wants the freedom to make his own decisions. He wants agency in his own life. He wants the ability to accept a job at any wage that HE agrees to - without being made into a criminal. Period.
@@trolledopposition4345 i get that. But also what reason could anyone have to actually want a job that pays a wage that you cant live off, given the option?
In other developed countries its just made sure that non-livable wages are not a thing. So there youre right people can pick.
There are good reasons to pick a 80k a year job over a 120k a year job. Like lower workload, better work life balance, other benefits like vacation time, parental leave etc. Or just doing something you love over something boring and soul sucking.
But you cant tell me there is anyone who always dreamed of someday being able to handwash cars and being paid 8 or 9 bucks an hour to do it. People only "choose" that out of horrible possibilities, not actually freely.
@@Soff1859 The idea that people should never have to do work they don’t like, and for a low wage, is unrealistic. We’ve all worked jobs we hated for low pay. That’s not the issue here.
The idea that I’m opposed to is the idea that, somehow, by taking away a person’s freedom to CHOOSE what they believe to be their best option, we’re helping them. In fact, this amounts to tyranny. It literally makes it illegal for low wage workers to earn a wage. Think about it.
You, yourself, intimated (correctly) that people like this man in the video already have limited options. Why take one of his only options left (to work for less than $15) away from him?
Minimum wage for politicians that’s what need and save thousands in taxes
I apreciate the joke, but it wouldn't work in real life. Politicians aren't competing with each other. They're competing with people who aren't in their possitions and are voted in and can only ever be voted out. And most of the time, they run unopposed.
In other words, a "Mininum Wage" would not effect them in the least. At least not anymore than Huge Companies are effected by them as opposed to Ma&Pa places.
What ALL politicians need is TERM LIMITS.
You mean: Maximum Wage.
@@sthomaslewisyeah
Yes and higher taxes on those that use emigration as an excuse to cheat the system like Trump does.
“The real minimum wage will always be $0/hour”
- Tom sowell
Ooops. I just posted the same thing. 4 days after you.
@@kenperlman2204 That just proves that more people are becoming aware that more minimum wage doesn't = a better situation, so thanks sir!
Yep because people will want to make money and depending on their skills they will ask for the money they desire to be paid. And of course negotiate with the employer to get the right pay.
All the local union does is come to tell me who to vote, when I actually had a dispute they didn't help at all I hired my own lawyers.
Using laws that were created and refined by union activity. You reap the benefits of unionosation but have pretended selfishly that you drove that.
Same bro. They sit their collecting dues and are nowhere to be found when I need em
Unions are useless they are legalized mafia collecting extortion money and doing nothing for you
Esmeralda Green I’m in a union and I’m going through matrix filing grievances. I had to not give up and fight them as they protected administration. I made such a uproar the Union had no choice but to let me get in front of an arbitrator. They are scared pieces of shit that want to be friends with the bosses as the bosses laugh at them behind closed doors cause they so easy to control
Union leaders should represent their members, but many have become corrupted and are closer with business management. Use your voice democratically within the union and vote for new leadership.
*(meanwhile in 2019)*
Left: "We demand a $30 minimum wage!"
Automators/ engineers: "Well boys, looks like its now's our time"
My time has come
Lmao! Yup it’s exactly like that. Competition and money is going to keep reality in check everytime. Whenever they want wage increase an engineer already has the blueprints for what the company needs to beat the competition
No wonder why they want illegal 2nd class citizens
Some people can't see the forest for the trees or the edge of the cliff as they parade around demanding more and more and more!! You made a few engineers giggle, my friend. 3/06/2020
Yep, #GoRobots #BeatHumans
"We want more money!!"
Blocks traffic to stop other people from going to work trying to make money.
Yes because we are all connected. We should all make sure everyone is taken care of enough to exist and survive. Sadly people don't care until things start to effect them so yes, block workers and the owners of businesses and the powers that be will recognize the cost of not paying people a living wage.
@@SupremeVerdict wrong u just hurt other people trying to life so when they take drastic measures to get to work don't be surprised like everyone else get a better job
@@trashtronics1700 learn to write a coherent sentence and then try again.
@@SupremeVerdict " We should all make sure everyone is taken care of enough to exist and survive..." by stopping people from going to work to get money for food, rent, etc.. Top notch.
@@obxolicious1361 name a single person who starved as a result of the protests? Don't be a moron.
Causing slight inconvenience isn't causing permanent harm, but might lead to permanent change.
“Might not necessarily” meaning I can’t admit that you are right because it is proof I am useless
the war has developed in a way not necessarily in japan's favor
Never answer directly and always deflect. Common tactic of the intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt activist.
The saddest part about this is the absolute denial of people creating these policies to look at the unintended consequences of their policies.
its because of how complicated our system is. Everything affects the next thing. I know when we talk about raising the minimum wage we often forget about small businesses. That why I personally believe that minimum wages should vary based on what financial miles stones a company has reached, but im sure even that has consequences I can't foresee. we need to start gutting and analyzing everything that every company does. Because the Laissez-fair approach is allowing monopolies to enter the free market. (aka so many people rely on them so they can price their product however they want) because "having" to raise the price or lay off employees is an excuse to keep their personal pockets full. Another thing is we have to stop allowing big companies to s stack companies. one person will own a link of 15 companies that will experience a trickle down effect. Which is why when they are sued , again, their personal pockets are left untouched. If they actually had attention and consequences I bet their workers would be treated more humanly without having to be at someone else's expense.
@@katieolivero2972 the minimum wage should just rise autmatically every year in accordance with inflation. Thts how it works everywhere else, where minimum wages exist. So it doesnt have to double once every few decades, which is of course a huge shock to the market. And so you also dont have people in 2021 relying on what may have been a liveable wage in the 90ies but just is not anymore nowadays.
What makes you think the consequences are unintended.
Exactly! I'm all for progressive policies but if you have unintended consequences, you have to admit and fix... career politicians can't admit they're wrong cuz they'll lose their career...
@@Soff1859 Wages in general should go up every year with inflation but instead you get corporate companies that do not give raises and a minimum wage thats ever increasing causing significantly more inflation meaning the 20$/h you make becomes even more worthless than it was before.
"New York is the progressive capital of the nation."
New York is also currently pretty much going bankrupt. Crime has skyrocketed, violence has skyrocketed, people are leaving the city, and tax revenue is plummeting.
"Progressive" indeed.
Crime in nyc had steadily declined over the last ten year. People are leaving because rent prices are too high.
Ny debt comes mostly from senior healthcare and the opioids crisis
@@matthewarnold4557 Crime has steadily declined over the last ten years maybe, but you aren't taking into account the sharp raise in crime during _this_ year, caused by severe cuts to police funding. In my comment I'm not talking about the past 10 years. I'm talking about the current year.
@@DjVortex-w I just looked it up (I can't get the PDF to show up on TH-cam comments sorry) just Google nyc crime rate 2020. Crime has dropped about 10% or so. Also, no one's reduced the police budget that's a movement still in the works. Just because people say it on the street it doesn't automatically get put into action. That said we absolutely should defund half of the police department and put that into other social programs which helps prevent people from committing crimes in the first place
i am living New York when i leave for college in 1 or 2 years everyone i know is leaving for better homes and jobs
@@chinookh4713 the city or up state?
Machines that replace workers don't pay into social security and income tax. What problems we have.
you can say that again. smh
@Tom If you can legally tax robots, then the robots can just register in a tax haven.
the people that install the machines do tho
@Harry Moobs Stop making sense! You're going to hurt someone's "feelings". 😂
This ends up is with the greedy government not being satisfied with the taxes being taken, then deciding to take over the business. That's the line between socialism and communism.
The people who say “were here to create jobs” are lying! Their here to make money!
That is so true.
Well they ain't lying, tax revenue from those new jobs do make money
You act like those are mutually exclusive. The goal and the end of the day is to make money yes but more people benefit if that money is made with 20 jobs than two.
The more jobs that need to be filled in an area, the better things get for the worker as they can go elsewhere if they want causing businesses to compete for staff.
If three quarters of the businesses in an area go under because some far away politician signed a piece of paper suddenly you have much fewer jobs with the same amount of workers available and conditions plummet as a result.
$15 hour is a lot when you earn $0 after they go out of business
@trey darling Increases in productivity due to technology. Ultimately people get replaced with technology when you have a minimum wage that high.
@trey darling Why should they own the means of production if they not only received payment for their work, but bore none of the financial risks involved in establishing a business? Most people who are establishing small businesses are putting substantial personal savings on the line with the hope that the business will succeed, and most don't. The worst thing that can happen to a worker is that they lose their job and have to find another one.
@trey darling First off, people that work get paid, and if they don’t it’s a crime. Period. Second, the work of past employees generated the initial wealth needed for the means of production? That means some person worked their ass off back in the day, saved up a bunch of money, and then risked all that time and money by investing it into a business. Most new businesses fail, but let’s say you’ve made a successful one; here comes some self-righteous Marxist claiming that you don’t deserve to own the fruits of your own labor. They’re claiming that the employees deserve to steal the company even though they have received payment the entire time and bore none of the financial risks that established the company in the first place! That’s what real theft is!
@trey darling well now there is a minimum wage and workers are being paid “properly”. So properly that the evil businesses that steal money from them have to fire the workers so they don’t go bankrupt. Mission failed successfully.
trey darling what work are you doing that damages your body? Lol. I hope you know that actual physically demanding labor pays well and usually has good benefits to go with it. You aren’t entitled to McDonald’s profits because you stand at their cash register and ask which flavor of cancer they want today. Realize that jobs outside entry levels for teenagers pay well. Instead of complaining, go to a career center and see how in demand trades are and how well they pay. Maybe then you can build some damn skills and improve your life instead of blaming “””the man””, dude.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This is how Venezuela got where it is.
WTF are you talking about? You really need to educate yourself.
Your parents and teachers failed you.
Sanctions by the US caused the problem. The US didn’t like them wanting to sell oil without using the US dollar.
@@lookingbehind6335 When you see a guys like chavez or maduro, who didn't have much, talk about the country and the people while wearing a golden rolex out of nowhere, you know it wasn't good intentions or sanctions, just plain corruption.
@@lookingbehind6335 haha wow. look at this fucking delusion. to think that venezuela's problems are because of another country. yet there are hundreds of other countries that... don't have the same problem? and aren't sitting on the biggest gold mine of oil that has ever been seen? the indoctrination is fucking insane.
dev’s reality Venezuela was falling due to using so much same resource and so much social programs and no economic success
@@lookingbehind6335 Venezuela failed because the people gave the power to a man that lied them, and turned democracy into a dictatorship.
"...making cheap labor illegal..."
That's a brilliant way of looking at these wage laws. Sure, SOME people will have their income raised by a $15 minimum, but everyone whose work is not worth more than $15 an hour is going to lose their job. Period. You can't run a business by hiring people who bring in less money than you pay them. So people who were underpaid will get a nice little raise - that's awesome, and good for those guys. People who weren't underpaid but were paid less than $15 an hour are going to lose their jobs. Not so awesome.
Working at McDonald's isn't meant to be a career move for the $15. lol
@@michaelvol8922 I know people who work in factories for 9 dollars an hour, if they don't work overtime they are short by the end of the month. A higher minimum wage would be better for certain jobs. Some people just want cheap labor.
Clearly you have never been to a car dealership. The lot attendants are subsidized by people brining in the money.
@Meniacal Jedi I don't know how long it has been since you went to school, but the amount of homework combined with any sports is not flexible for an employer. It's been roughly 15 years but I can still remember why I didn't get a normal job, the employer said, "I am trying to run a business here"
And let's be real. Why would you pay some 15 year old kid $9.00 an hour just to loose money on him for the first 2 or 3 months or hire a grown man who knows what he is doing for 14.00 an hour? There is no way a 15 year old kid can produce as much value as a middle aged man who has been doing it longer than the kid has been alive.
Managers make 15
As a business owner, you are not at the mercy of a machine to show up, in the car wash business ( I have first-hand experience) you are at the mercy of people to show up every day many often don't.
given that...why WOULDNT a business owner go to automation?
@@syberphish In the carwash business you have automated machines but you still need people to prep the car before the automated part and at the other end to dry the car and sometimes catch something the machines didn't.
@@jeffb5785 You realize I actually watched the video right? I can see that "automated" means 1 or 2 employees, instead of 12 or 14 or more.
It's nice that you also learned something though, now everyone else also knows that you too know the information shared with us in this video. Good on ya, I guess.
@@syberphish sit on a broken bottle and rotate
@@jeffb5785 straight to personal attacks, yeah I know your type. You don't get to have your pie and eat it too so you become a tool and start saying crap like that. Brilliant.
A politician talking about “righteous business practices”. That’s a hoot.
That was a religious comment. The politicians have faith regardless of facts and experience.
You think you can live in NYC with $15 an hour? Ya got your wish and guess what? Everything is skyrocketing. These politicians are deranged.
The only explanation I can think of is that many probably get subsidized housing and food stamps to be able to afford food and shelter.
That also happened in Seattle, WA. These idiots never learn.
then they'll be surprised when their rent increases, food costs much more and transportation expenses skyrocket. It's like they didn't get a wage increase since the hikes made its buying power mean nothing...... They never ever learn.
@@applescruff1969 its not the democrats who never learn. its you. the democrats are doing exactly what they set out to do. impoverish and destroy this country so its wealth can be redistributed. that redistribution just isn't what you think it is. they never intended for that money to go to anyone but themselves and their foreign handlers. America is under attack, and most are too stupid to even notice.
@@DieselRamcharger this is God's truth. Keep preaching brother.
We don't need 15 dollars an hour we need the rent to be lower, food to be affordable and health plan to be available to anyone, what does 15 an hour mean prices going up
you realize that's exactly what Venezuela did....
And with all that wages also go lower, and you're back to square one.
I was earning $15 back in 1988. I just cringe when I see $15 hr now thinking how inflation has chewed that up and spit it out like nothing. All this outsourcing to China, Vietnam and employing OTHER COUNTRIES people has hit us like a brick.
Last I looked shirts at high end stored are $50+70 and higher....just like they were in 1988.
The only thing that changed was corporations fired American, hired Chinese and took the profits on lower labor and kept the prices the same on goods.
This global crap sucks for workers
Agreed. Stop trashing food because you have a surplus and it would lower prices.
The housing cartel will never let that happen until people storm the companies all of them.
“If car wash workers can organize...” well that’s a bit degrading! It’s insulting
Yeah unions are a total joke today
“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help”!
Reagan made that line famous in his speeches against just this sort of stuff.
When you hear these words, RUN .
Ronald Reagan spoke those words and he said to run .
Me: run for your lives
Here to help myself to your money thru tax and intimidation.
No thanks... I'll figure it out
Just scream out “living wage” and suddenly you’re a hero.
I believe that we as libertarians and conservatives have failed in that we have not done enough to educate the general public about such issues.
It's common sense man
@@scotttyson8661 Then why is it not as common as it should be?
I attribute it to the brainwashing being done in schools
We've tried. They don't listen.
It would be easier to "educate" if we had control of the public school system.
Everytime a regulation is created,one choice is taken away.
- Thomas Sowell
Yeah, the government regulating lead gas and paint means I don't get to voluntarily choose brain damage anymore. This is literally 1984!!!!1!1!
Politicians could care less what happens to the worker. They just want a vote now.
Globalists that is.
Bernie wanted a change, but he didn't get the vote in.
But now with a rich fluff who has no clue how politics works is in power you're all pretty screwed.
Votes don't matter asshole
Not just about the vote, it's also about "friends" in these industries who are willing to make campaign contributions that can be pocketed along the way.
@@micksylvestre2887 Bernie is a joke
Every time my union (SEIU) gets us a raise, they raise their union dues. So we basically don't get a raise
Money has to come from somewhere this is what some people just don't understand.
binthrdonthat, the SEIU are a bunch of thugs. They're driven by greed and power. And they are known to beat up their members.
Then you have the wrong kind of union and should either get on the board to change that, or rally others to change unions.
There are many unions that work better than others. But with paradigm shifts in the economy the typical knee jerk reaction is that they don't work. But the question is do unions work and protect people from being screwed and misused? Yes they do. Do unions change with the times? Yes they can and all you have to do is look at the Unions Hollywood has had and how effective they work. Unions have to adapt with the times, and the changing economy. But the only reason we need them is because if we don't a large percentage of people in business will literally and have historically been a miser to their supportive staff. A good business doesn't have an issue of raising the minimum wage. That is NEVER an issue. It's simply GREED that keeps people from changing something that should've been done since the 80's.
@@micksylvestre2887 We can't. We have to have a percentage of the unions total population to vote our way out. There are only 250 of us and we represent about 1% of the union
The Open Borders Gang demands $15/hr.
Ironic, huh?
“It was ironic that now that everyone had a guaranteed $15 minimum wage the government flooded the labour market with illegal workers who worked under the table for a fraction of what legal citizens had to be paid.”
Technically, libertarians, and Reason, are both pro-open borders.
@@rudyando because they feel their jobs are safe
"Media never questions..." No, they write the narrative.
wait...We're supposed to wash our cars?
And something about changing the oil ?
Bruh
@@markme4 Why would I change oil? What's wrong with the oil that came with the car when I bought it 11 years ago? LOL
Doug Graves - Haha!! 😂😂
My3dviews - HaHa!! 😂😂
"If the car wash workers can organise, any workers can organise."
So he thinks car wash workers are the most disorganised in the country?
Brem lol, that's funny. Reminds me of Geico's "so easy, even a caveman can do it" ad campaign. They didn't expect the backlash they received from cavemen everywhere! ;o)
I think he's saying that car wash people are the lowest of the low LMAO
unions always peddle a higher min wage because it eliminates their lower priced competition
That's how the minimum wage got started. It was high enough that many businesses refused to pay that much to blacks.
look who's defending blacks now!
$15 dollars and hour is $31,200 a year in salary. Very few can live on that as it is let alone less.
Plus the problem doesn't lie in the wage increase it's how two main factors affect the other.
1. How businesses restructure themselves to give better incentives to keep the business going once they raise prices which in FACT is incremental. Many business have done this successfully and thus have made workers live better.
2. How the public supports the raising of wages instead of finding ways to undermine the businesses that do so in the name of capitalism.
3. How many non jobs are being replaced by automation and what new and better paying jobs are replacing them.
@@micksylvestre2887 what about small business who cant afford to pay 15 a hour or how if you raise minimum wage then all other jobs will raise their pay but then company's lose money and cant hire more people. And the price of goods and services go up to
@@micksylvestre2887 millions of people already live on $15/hr, and even less.
The curse of charity. When you force your "charity" upon others they will always end up suffering for it.
Charity is getting paid to steal a man’s wheel chair to be paid to give him crutches.
In Africa charities don’t give tractors to farmers they give out free food putting local farms out of business.
Long live black market law breakers, I salute you.
with olden day slavery the masters of the slaves had to feed and house the slaves.
With modern day slavery, the slaves have to feed and house themselves.
good those jobs need to be automated
@Sam McPherson There is no slavery if workers are free to leave.
So-called black market car washing sounds like a very libertarian concept.
@@phamnuwen9442 yeah, free to starve. The average laborer cannot simply leave. There is freedom to, & then there is freedom _from._
"I don't need healthcare," said every robot ever.............
All Americans have healthcare.
@@charlesbickel4295 haha I am America I don't have health insurance.
@@drewnielson6472 but you have healthcare.
@@drewnielson6472 it’s illegal to deny healthcare services to people in need
"i'm not going to be purchasing any of the products i'm making" said every robot ever.....................
Raise minimum wage to $100 an hour. But bread will cost $40 a loaf.
gtq838 he’s right
gtq838 if people make minimum wage higher therefore companies will need to make more so they will raise prices of their product
@gtq838 he is right, raising the minimum wage causes a vicious cycle
@gtq838 yes it does, during the depression cost of living was low but higher than most peoples earnings
Sylver Serf
Kill the rich and we won't have to pay them $2 more for bread so they don't have to work for a living!!
Socialism rewards mediocracy, Capitalism rewards merit.
Vote for Larry Sharpe running for governor of the New York state....
You gotta love Larry.
You are so right, Sitnam Dandiwal! An interview with Larry Sharpe made me realize that I'm a libertarian.
I will. I am tired of Cuomo.
Satnam Dandiwal, amen!
I don't live in NY but if I did I would vote for him. That guy is the kind of leadership we desperately need right now for our country to survive.
“That’s not necessarily the case”....he says over and over again....me thinks he doth protest to much.
The things he was saying are just gross, I can't understand how anyone can support someone saying "business owners that say the the policies are forcing negative changes and putting them out of business aren't actually being affected by the policy changes."
Politicians, activists never admit they’re wrong when they’re wrong
That Union rep couldn't give a straight answer - kept stroking his cheek cuz he was lying his butt off.
Corrupt bastards. Every single one of them
That's what union reps do best -- lie through their teeth.
@Juan Perez damn i almost judged him by the content of his character, how antisemitic of me
I work in a prison. The head of our union said that the goal was to reduce the prison population. I later asked him "wouldn't that reduce the need for us and in turn, lower our bargaining power?" He just ran off.
“Learn to make solar panels” -
John Kerry
Kerry means "Move to China" cause that's who the democrats are selling out to!
Quote is even better since like 90% of them are made overseas
Not my fault...says the guy who started everything... doesn't want to believe his efforts were in vain..
"Progressive Capitol of the Nation" is just a curse for failure.
I personally believe $15 hour minimum wage IS to drive automation. I think that has been the purpose all along.
It's going to happen. When cars we're coming, people worried all the horses were going to go as well.
Manual Car washes have been a failing industry for a long time now.
Every time there is talk about the minimum wage theres just always these 2 types of people
"Minimum wage is for highschool students to get easy entry to the job market"
"Increasing the minimum wage will literally cause the end of the world as we know it"
Automation is going to happen no matter how much people are being paid. Businesses will always try to find ways to cut costs and automation is one of the best ways. Don't use wages as an excuse.
Money and Life TV untruth has its purpose. evil. minimum wage and fiat money creation = slave to the bank, SJWs, poverty, and power fir the evil
Money and Life TV, why would the unions drive it for that purpose?
Imagine being a factory worker, sweating and aching all day in a workshop, just to watch the kid behind the cash register at McDonalds make the same hourly wage as you for doing a much easier job, all because the government decided that hard work shouldn't mean higher pay.
yeah. And then imagine the position you worked for years get devalued by some retard working at mcdonalds, and then have your entire wage become useless because prices of food and rent skyrockted with minimum wage.
Not even in canada do we have the USD equivalent to a $15 minimum wage.
Yep that wouldn't fly with me either, but I can't bring myself to work there. Mcdonalds is not ment to be a career choice, its sad because if everyone makes 15.00 the price of everything will go up because now everyone is making a minimum of 3k a month.
I mean, why would you not you go to your boss and make that argument, if you are valuable to the company you can argue for better wages. Rn I make $17 dollars an hour and I haven't even gone to college yet, and that mostly due to wages increasing in my area, (mostly due to competition but that it a different argument.) sure, this change hurt specifically car wash people, but so what? what about EVERY OTHER JOB IN THAT CITY. what about factories, wait staff, barbers, ect?
while I mostly agree that the motivations for this law definitely backfired, its a bit silly to make that comparison.
Imagine being a factory worker, sweating and aching all day in a workshop, just to watch a Chinese kid in China make the same doohicky as you for for a bowl of rice a day, all because the CEO decided that hard work shouldn't mean higher pay.
FIFY........
Isn’t that one of the basic tenets of Communism? Doctors get the same pay as janitors. Engineers get the same pay as busboys. Etc. Etc. As one comrade put it, “They pretend to pay us. So we pretend to work.’
I worked for a union for 10 years all they did was take mothly, quarterly, and yearly dues. I was broke then I left for non union and will never go back to union
Use your head man. Of course! That's how they roll! Welcome to the real world. If I didn't have a conscience I'd be doing the same on all of yall!
You're lucky they didn't steal your pension funds too. Like they did with me.
Unions are run by organized crime, they feed off the working man. Never ever join a union
My first job was union, grocery UFCW for a "super" sized grocery....they broke the Business, and I was no longer useful to the Union and they were no where to by found 2 weeks after I lost my job.....Unions might have had their places back in the Rockafeller oil days, but now they're a Cancer to any business
Same experience. Now I'm an executive at a University that legally must use the states unionized workers. The union members hate the union, and the administration hates the union. Everyone agrees that the union only serves the interests of the union administrators.
Two years ago their contract was up and they convinced the members to go on strike for higher wages. After two weeks, they proudly announced that they had negotiated a new contract and the strike was over. Result: they got the union admins a 12% raise, no raise for the members and higher union dues.
Don't forget, for decades unions were run by the mob.
"Thats a devil's bargain", you mean benefits for me, none for thee!
This dude a such a evil jerk
The most dangerous words in the english language.
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you"
Austin Martín Hernandez
That is what happened when the Bolshevik AshkeNAZI Communist told the Russians, and the Russians fell for it in 1917.
And the Holodomor was born.
Isn’t that a Ronald Reagan quote?
@@sashingopaul3111 Reagan is known for saying it, but that warning comes from George Washington and the founding fathers. They advocated small government, that can sustain itself off just sales tax alone in a free market, free of government intervention and regulations. This is why they preferred to be a Republic over a Democratic nation.
Because democracy is mobocracy, two foxes and a chicken voting on what to have for dinner. The promise of free stuff for votes would eventually lead us into Socialism, and this is where we are today.
Voters are mindlessly voting for bigger government and more regulation and the results are always the opposite of what they initially set out to achieve. Like this minimum wage hike, voters wanted more money, now they'll get less if anything at all.
Government can't regulate the prices of labor and goods and services, the free market can only regulate itself, because if the prices are abused the market will just simply find a less expensive solution. But the government will always promise to give it its best shot in making things worse... I mean better.
@@fdti6914 "Two foxes and a chicken voting on what to have for dinner" hahaha! I love that!
FD TI You forgot the next line they print after that. ".. . and then he turned the gun on himself."
Very telling how Andrew Cuomo’s voice breaks on the words “fairness” and “justice”
... and the babies these clowns kill each year ...
LOL, why would a car washer go on strike? They can be replaced within the hour
Why would they go on strike when they can get the government to put a gun to employers heads and rob them?
Led along by a union that wants to establish another line of rent seeking. Unions just want your dues so they don't have to get a real job themselves.
"Not if we make it illegal first!" says the slimy union rep
i never got that..people that go on strike and a high school kid could replace you immediately...not very smart.
Thurgor - Because liberals prey on low IQ, low skill, poor people. It's not about justice, it's about destroying the free market, and replacing it with Socialism.
Translation: "The genesis of the campaign came out of the realization that this was a market that our union wasn't making any money on. We felt that we could make a big impact on our bank accounts off this industry." FIFY
You can't legislate fairness, it's law of the jungle, survival of the fittest, free market rules. There will always be winners and losers in life. I love how independent business people always find a solution.
Vote Democrat. Vote yourself out of a job.
Wait 'til we develop an automated politician, and watch them change their tune.
that's a good idea actually lol. I wonder if we can develop the perfect balanced robot politician. Robots for the people.
@@lupusk9productions might be better than what we have now
The future is being a robotic repair technician ...
If you can fix a modern car (anything over 2010) you're likely secure for employment then as you can fix these machines haba
yeah and then they the robots will soon take yur job..
@@wearenotalone7187 well, least I still have my Photoshopping skills
Yourtube User you can repair the broken repair robots that repair the broken robots ! Lol
The future is building robots that can fix robots. And then building robots that build robots that fix robots.
I love how absolutely CLUELESS the union representative is! Denial, deflection, dismissal... he just can't accept the fact that he is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
That union rep is not clueless. He knows what unionization has done to that market segment. He also knows that his paycheck comes from those union dues. He's a parasite. I would like to see legislation that says a union rep can make no more than the highest salary of the union membership.
You are correct. I should have said that I love how the union rep *plays* clueless!
he isn't clueless these people know
he’s not clueless. he knows exactly what he’s saying.
he’s only on it for the money. i will give you an example.
USPS have an estimate 327,000 APWU members that pays $40-50/pay check (twice a month), total that. that’s how much money UNION representatives get from hardworking people.
UNION is a big parasite.
He's going to say whatever pushes his narrative. Unionize is more members, that guys paycheck is from Union dues. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
This what happens when the cost of living keeps going up but wages don’t. The people probably didn’t complain until their rents got outta control.
And the rent wouldn't be a problem if those same politicians hadn't passed damaging legislation to affect that as well
It was great to see the common sense of the man from Guatemala,, he probably felt great speaking to a journalist honestly without fear of a death squad showing up. We could appreciate what we have a bit more
You're presuming a union thug didn't track him down. Union doesn't get paid if the illegal contractor gets all the work.
@@lonesnark Yup, Unions can be nasty like that.
Death squads?? 30 years ago, maybe.
@@j.k.4479 yup
$1000 min wage means nothing when you have 0 hours and no job and no one will hire you and McDonald's cheese burger costs $200....... Why you think people get poorer and more become homeless the higher the min wage goes?
More of average wage governs cost of living in areas, but very valid point.
I live in seattle where the minimum wage is $15hr the McDonald's by my house is $16 for a combo the local grocery store is 4x the price of outside city limits cost nearly $100 for a single bag of groceries. They said prices would not go up... what the dumbass progressives just assumed is that companys would just take a cut of there profit margins to pay the employees but what actually happened is they passed the price on to the customers and increased there profit because they charge more for the product. Its like our property tax they constantly vote to increase it for dumb shit and then complain the cost of living is too high when there landlord raises the rent to cover it.
@@yesac101 So you agree? That laissez-faire capitalism allows for no social mobility because companies have too much leniency in regulating themselves...
@@yesac101 why are you lying? You know that's not true.
I'm from Seattle and know you're full of it, but just in case I googled it as well...
The average price of a bigmac combo meal is $9. In a city like Houston it's $7.
I currently live in Georgia and have been all around the US, the cost of goods is marginally higher but workers get paid way more.
@@bbHoodski Except im not the mcdonalds by my house in west seattle is not a corporate store its a franchise and they set there own prices so your wrong. Its 3x less expensive then a mcdonalds in Bothell is. And the grocery store is also true i bought some turkey, salamie, bread and munster cheese enough to make 2 sandwiches it cost $42 if I had drove to white center to safeway it would have been $14 for the same thing its pretty close to 4x as much.
When social economics class is replaced by a class that removes the economics, you get a college graduate versed in the popular theory, not facts. Then they run for office!
God help us.
I’m seeing it now
Well said
Absolutely 💯. I see this everywhere and it often results in being unable to have a critical or factual discussion due to the op being woefully inadequate to address topics and issues.
Its just that providing workers with better benefits and salaries, already works perfectly well in europe. Where way fewer truly unskilled jobs like in the US exist, but unemployment isnt really any higher.
Its just that any specific policies in the US get perverted to a point where they dont make sense anymore, so you can say the whole thing doesnt make sense. Like how stupid is adjusting a minimum wage just once every few decades? Of course that is a huge shock to the market because it has to double all at once then. Everywhere else that has minimum wages it just gets raised along with inflation every single year. So its never an issue.
Speaking of rights, a man has the right to negotiate any price with anyone for his labor. A machine has none. A man must. and if you do not grant him that right, you have brought us down to the level of the machine.
I like how you stated that. The right to negotiate your labor price is a right the government has no right to take away. I guess that's what "Right To Work" means.
Try negotiating for a pay raise at a car wash. Most likely the owner will tell you to leave if you're not happy. Maybe a guaranteed minimum income is the answer. I'll give reason.com credit for bringing up valid issues but I don't believe the status quo is the answer.
True but in the end its always the one with the money and leverage to decide. You have the right to negotiate but can be met with a no. Also from my perspective, the hiring landscape is also changing to where skills are taking a back seat or become irrelevant. It's more about fitting in than proving yourself for that bigger paycheck.
I like to bring discussions like these back to the schools. If we had a better (i.e. privatized) education market, people would graduate with more skills, and would be better prepared to support themselves without the (fading) advantage of further education.
@@faststratjo2006
The reason for that is because the amount of workers available vs demand. Their is a surplus so people cannot bargain for higher wages. Of their were more jobs available than workers could decide via the market.
When I was in college in the US, as an immigrant in need of visa sponsorship and without any job experience, I offerred my boss to work for a lower salary.
Plus, I offer to intern for free for 2 months. I beat all of the qualified candidates and got the job.
Two years later, with more experience and technical skills, I received job offers at a market wage.
If there were such laws to "protect" me, my career might not have taken off.
And if there were, you might have been forced to build a life in your own country.. Of course the citizens whose jobs you undercut are only too happy to subsidize your success, because you know they don't count.
Maybe they could go work in your home country.. Oh wait.. It's an economic basket case, which is why you came here..
Humm. Looks like we will just have to wait for the bottom to drop out after all..
@Two two three Five five six
What he did was fine. That he was subsidized by taxpayers to do so was not. The government imports students and universities frequently leverage federal money to make it possible.
Internships are also frequently subsidizes, by the very workers expected to train them. The good news is that the workers are catching wise. Training your replacement is not smart..
Obviously you've never been in a union.
You touched on the plight of millennials, particularly during the great recession. So many, myself included, took unpaid internships because it was either an unpaid internship or no experience whatsoever. Fortunately I had the means to take an unpaid internship but many did not--I would've even appreciated money for gas for the 20 mile commute. Nearly a decade later I'm making well over minimum wage with benefits because I gained enough experience and knowledge for an employer to justify my employment. It's not hard to make above min wage if you work for sometime and develop even basic computer skills. Also at my company we have trouble finding qualified U.S. born candidates so we often hire international students who graduated from local universities. Americans really need to step up their game or they're going to miss opportunities to someone who did not have all the advantages nor speaks the language as well. The world is changing so adapt or be left behind... And I mean this to a reasonable extent as I do have a heart.
@@grgryocean
The problem you identify is not the entire story. I have seen job descriptions manipulated to exclude otherwise qualified candidates, and I have seen a lot of hiring unqualified and even incompetent individuals who 'look' the part.
Even now, we have new staff that can't function coming from overseas, because veteran staff are deemed unqualied and not retrainable.
The bottom is going to drop out, because no matter how much you retrain yourself the goal is to surpress wages. Once you understand that, everything fits into place..
Lol the guy has no counterpoints. He just responds with "I just don't think that's the case"........ umm ok...?
@Vladislav Surguy: The video didn't *show* any of his counterpoints but that says nothing about whether he did or did not have them. This video wasn't intended to be a balanced review of the two sides, it was intended to be convincing. That's a fine way to start a discussion, but we shouldn't confuse it for a defeat of the other side's position. Instead, we should try to steelman their stance -- offer the strongest form of their argument, even strengthen it for them. It's easy to defeat an enemy who isn't allowed to defend themself.
Yeah I showed a friend how increasing minimum wage can actually hurt workers because companies will just replace them with machines. He said “ I disagree with that.” I asked how he feels about self checkouts and kiosks at fast food chains and he said they are great. Not friends with with this idiot anymore.
@@fieryjalapenos4442 maybe you are the idiot... why wouldnt we build machines that can do peoples jobs? the problem is in the transition into automation, we arent providing a safety net for displaced peoples because people have a moral 'you dont work you dont eat' mentality. but the reality in the future many things will be automated and there wont be jobs for everyone period. you can delay it all you want but if its more economical to automate a job then a company is going to do so regardless of wage. they can pay a wage of $1/hr and the machine is gonna be more profitable in the long run.
so i dont think the argument 'raising wages causes automation' is even valid... we had the self checkout isles well before we had a $15 min wage lol.
@@RyukyuStyleYou realize AI is a thing now right🤨; so that means in the near future they could do the jobs that almost ALL humans can do and we would have to be literal geniuses to have a regular job just to survive with a irreversible inflating economy in a scarcer, more erratic technologically evolving job market that won't get any better but just more complex for just regular people.. which are the MAJORITY,like you😂
..Talk about shooting your own foot, think before you comment man geez🤦🏿♂️
@@RyukyuStyle ok...www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/evidence-minimum-wage-hikes-result-in-workers-being-replaced-by-robots.html you are so stupid. Go back under your rock.
Unions do have a place but sometimes they are a cancer.
I watched a union kill a tire factory in Kitchener Ontario in mid 2000's. Union strike = closed factory = everybody lost job. The owner just sold the land. The only people that gut hurt are the ones that went on strike. Union just latched on to the next donor.
The real killer is Kitchener Leslie.
That's what you get when you start wanting to pay slave wages.
@@phoneticalballsack So better to not have the factory at all? China won't pay any better, and that's who all these local factories have to compete with.
@@wolfy1987 Yes. Small businesses are inefficient. Centralization and concentration of capital is ideal
"That might not necessarily be the case" - Union Director
"Im not saying thats not the case, but it might not necessarely be the case"
Gotta love it. They are so good at avoiding questions.
Not every job is a career or should demand a living wage PERIOD
Peter Szwed if you can’t live off of your work what’s the company providing besides work?
@@darylpettiford4900 Experience, a job for the summer, spending money so a collage kid can live off campus or go on dates. A side job to earn extra money for something special. Not every job merits a living wage.
Peter Szwed I understand what you’re saying but $15 per hr isn’t exactly “Getting Rich” If you work PT 20 hrs weekly you only earn $300 that’s the equivalent of a Dodge Charger full coverage and gas money. I would never work for minimum wage and would encourage others to not either it’s a counterproductive waste of time.
Peter Szwed basically if you’re working 40 hrs weekly and can’t provide the basic essentials for yourself you’re wasting your life and your employer is wasting your time.
@@pedrowhack-a-mole6786 if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, you don't have any business in business.
I vote with my dollars...wouldn't spend a single one where they disrespect their employees
There is one issue with a fixed minimum wage that is not mentioned often enough:
The effect of a minimum wage can depend very much on which direction the economy and currency is headed. If the economy is doing well, a minimum wage will likely not make much of a difference anyway. If the economy is doing badly, you would probably rather have a low paying job than no job at all.
Once the minimum wage is set, its inflexibility is another issue. $15 in one economic climate might mean a very different thing than in another economic climate, so without the dollar amount changing, the effective minimum wage, in terms of purchasing power, changes.
These laws, in general, cause more problems than they solve. Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman and many other economists explain this issue very well. In particular, I recommend reading Thomas Sowell's book "Basic Economics". A free audiobook version is available on TH-cam.
Really? Is that why Mexico wages are so low and people are running away because they can't survive? Lmao is bad times we have social welfare so employers don't take advantage of high unemployment and give people low wages.
TLDR: When population growth exceeds economic growth in a time of automation wages are driven down as cost of living goes up. It's impossible to alter one variable without effecting all others as they are linked in many ways.
I second Milton Friedman's work to understand economics. There is a great TV series from the 1970s or 1980s with Friedman called "Free To Choose" that is available on TH-cam that has the audience challenge Friedman's ideas and he responds to their questions/challenges. It is very accessible for anyone. You don't need to know economics first, as he explains these concepts in plain English with examples.
@@trentonwarner5323 no solution is for government to spend on infrastructure welfare and government guarantee job programs like FDR did. You think a Capitalist is going to invest in a recession and hire people when there are no customers? Lol
And comparing u.s to Mexico is great because both Capitalist but one with welfare program and high min wage and union protection ( besides right to work states and free trade which killed Union.) And other with no regulations or employee protection.
@@trentonwarner5323 Hoover made it worse, FDR saved it. Look at the history of GDP per year and see how much GDP went up with FDR. Not to mention I can prove it unlike your retarded Right wing historians.
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The 15$ dollar minumum wage is literally the most 4head solution ever. "JUST PAY PEOPLE MORE LOL 4HEAD" when in fact they have no clue of the surrounding effects and consequences of implementing that policy.
Someone said to me recently “there’s no way to start and sustain a successful business in the U S unless you’re willing to lie to the government.”
Or at least exploit the tax loopholes.
Dan naw just in liberal shit hole states
No that’s mostly in liberal cities
I just talked to a friend who was a huge advocate for the $15/hour "livable wage". He now is full time making $15.50/hour and he says it's "garbage money". If you inflate the economy, the minimum will never be enough.
That’s only barely over 20k year after tax 😂 of course it’s a shit salary
I think your friend is just trying to live a life style he can't afford imo.
@@misterbanshee7992 it's good for entry level
I make $15 an hour and I can afford a studio apartment beacuse my grandma taught me to think about the needs more than the wants
When you raise the minimum wage, you raise the minimum wage. It doesn’t give you more buying power
Exactly,
Maybe you intended to type, When you raise the minimum wage. The cost of living increases. Which doesn’t raise buying power.
Good for you Abraham Froman
Walter Knight I just meant that raising the minimum wage is an exercise in futility
@@abrahamfroman246 You have got that right!!! Look at Seattle. The workers there now get less hours, or the place shuts down. Who looses? The minimum wage earner in the short term, everyone in the long term.
@@roysmith3198 the whole thing just speeds up inflation.
Protesters in 2015 blocked traffic and got arrested. Here in 2020 people blocked traffic, burned buildings, and assaulted people and nothing happened...WHY!?
"I'm not saying it isn't the case, I'm just saying it might not necessarily be the case." Brilliant.
I'm convinced 🙄
This just passed in florida, rip to the pizza garage i work at😭😭
What is a pizza garage? I've never heard that term before.
Ya can always just make pizza in the back of a van like those guys.
No, no, no. RIP you. The garage is just going to automate.
Hello Macomane, its been six months did you make it through ok or didn't they cut labor and you lost your job. Hope you were able to keep it. Take care.
Manny Amato its not in affect yet. Thanks for checking up🙏🏻
As an employee and an employer this phrase stinks.
"Minimum wage...minimum effort". Pay me minimum? ...expect minimum output.
Minimum wage = minimum value .
Yes if you proof that you worked well then ask for raise. If the pay doesnt worth the value/work the leave for better work/job. If there is ofc.
The first minimum wage laws were enacted by racists who didn’t want black construction workers in the south to underbid white construction workers. Minimum wage laws often have other effects, often harming people at the bottom and pricing them out of jobs, as well as increasing the cost of living to make the original wage increase obsolete within a few years.
As someone who worked at a car wash before and loved it. I was paid 8.75 an hour and didn’t complain. I knew if they gave everyone 13 dollars an hour (which is what they pay there managers, at least at the time) I would not be able to have the job.
The solution is automation!
When was that? 20 years ago? The problem is not what you are paid, thw problem is everything keeps getting more expensive and wages stagnate. Thats why no one can afford houses or cars or healthcare or education. You need to do some reading.
+Akron162
Increasing wages is only a temporary solution. Once the wages are raised, it's only a matter of time before you're back where you started. Plus raising the minimum wage will still leave the people earning it at the same place they were when they were earning less (more money doesn't equal better living when the price of everything else goes up with it). But raising the minimum wage will, however, thrust those earning well above it (before the change) downward. For example, where I live the minimum wage $7.25 an hour, so someone earning $15 is earning twice the minimum wage. But if you raise the minimum wage to $15, you've effectively taken those who are living quite well, and now putting them at minimum wage, making them worse off. I doubt the company that was paying them $15 will raise their pay to $30 to make up for the change.
If raising the minimum wage would fix the problem, it would have already done so after the first change.
Higher minimum wage=more money=a raise in living=paying out more money=back where you started.
I dont think you know what the hell you are talking about.
+Akron162
1. Simply making a statement like that doesn't refute my argument.
2. www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm If raising the minimum wage will fix the problem, then why didn't it fix the problem all these times!? Raising the minimum wage will only fix the problem for a short time, then it'll go back to where it started.
"thw problem is everything keeps getting more expensive and wages stagnate" The only way to combat the high cost of living and stagnant wages is to raise the minimum wage each year, as the cost of living changes all the time.
You could pay people $60,000 an hour, wouldn't fix anything. The cost of living will rise with the rise of the minimum wage.
The union is always willing to let other people loose their jobs in their self-righteous pursuit of "living wage and equitable treatment".
Increasing minimum wage to help low wage workers, is like telling failing dollars stores to up their prices to 2 dollars to make more money.
That's just not how it works
Keven Zhao - So what's your solution, bud? Have people working full-time jobs while not being able to support themselves? Should we just let that situation get worse and worse until we have literal slavery? How does it work? EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
You know what else doesn't work?
Paying debt with more debt.
Salpertia, you know what also doesn't work? A tax cut that increases the debt even more, and by giving that cut to those that need it the least. And don't talk about that trickle down shit, nothing trickles down.
@@KennethScharf huh? I don't advocate for tax cuts at all.
What we should all be aware of is that since the creation of the Federal reserve our dollars worth has dropped more than 95%
@@KennethScharf all I'm saying is that we should advocate for state banks and I guarantee that when we do, shit will start hitting the fan ever so slightly
High minimum wages help nobody but politicians.
Undeniable lesson I learned from my Dad. Find a thing in demand,that is hard to learn and do. Master it and always be flexible to learn more complex skills. You either do or don't.
It doesn’t even have to be hard sometimes. Find something that’s in demand that a lot of ppl don’t do
My dad..."don't spend money you don't have."
Dosnt really matter if you have to work that job and two others just to survive and stay alive.
@@D9xAbstract You do what you have to do, until you can do what you want to do. I have an ED in Education and a Math Specialist degree. Did it for 30 years but was a Union Ironworker in Local 7 for 8 years and a Contractor before that. Whatever it takes, do it.
@@D9xAbstract Jobs that are hard to do and learn mostly aren't low paying smh
Automation is what big companies always talk about now because of this min wage raise. Which means less jobs for ya'll crying for high min wage.
Stop being so short sighted. Automation was coming anyways, and a threat to a plethora of jobs. If you think you and your ego are safe from the economic effects..........you are in for rude awakening.
Plus, why live in NY anyways. It's over priced as hell and unaffordable even with $13 a hr.
They have no idea they're pricing themselves out of a job lol.When they price themselves closer to automation,it makes their replacements much more cost effective.Those who work for min wage though are not generally the higher educated and wont understand though.All they know is they can't live on those wages.Well no shit but what if you could? Then the prices for skilled jobs would be offset yet more and there goes the prices of everything to match it now the value of the dollar is even weaker.Then guess what happens? Now that everything costs more,they can't live on the new min wage either lmao.
It doesn't matter what the min wage jobs pay.It could be a grand per hour and but everything will go up to offset and match it as it is now.These jobs are not intended to support you.Non skilled jobs are to get you going,not a career.Since they are generally not the brightness of us,this will just over their heads and they'll just think we're victimizing them.
So the moral of the story is, learn robotics. Robot mechanics are going to be in great demand.
@@smothmc it's easy to hide from ICE in a sanctuary city.
A waitress yesterday told me her restaurant business is slowing down
This high wage is passed tobthe consumer
So the consumer is staying home
No business to restaurant
Heck yeah. I can't afford to eat at a restaurant for me and the lady for $25 each, then be expected to leave a $10 tip every night, and I do tip when I go out. I stay at home and home make food, spend that $25 on a fully decked out meal for both of us.
The business should not be raising the prices.
That is what the problem is.
The problem is not paying her more.
(What is a drop in the bucket to the establishment's daily income).
There are a lot of things to assess.
Is the food serving establishment charging too much in the 1st place ?
Is the establishment run effectively and efficiently by the owner?
Etc, etc, etc, etc..........
...Is the owner too GREEDY for as MUCH of the establishment's income as possible?
By the way, it is true and real, that if, WHEN, the prices are actually LOWERED,
the business income actually
EXPONENTIALLY increases.
Think about it.
Simplify:
You sell hotdogs out of a cart at the Park.
There's two hotdog carts at the Park.
One sells hotdogs (the same basic hotdogs!) for a dollar.
The other cart sells the hotdogs for 75¢
The 1.00@ hotdog seller sells 50 a day.
The 75¢@hotdog seller sells 200 hotdogs a day.
They both have small carts of the same type, work the same hours, have the same costs.
Do the math!
Who is doing better?
....with the lower price to the hotdog consumer, selling the exact same hotdog!!
@@SunnyIlha
"The 1.00@ hotdog seller sells 50 a day.
The 75¢@hotdog seller sells 200 hotdogs a day."
it doesn't work that way. First, there is limited amount of customers. You can't expect to exponentially increase the number of customers just because you lower the price.
Second, no way the second owner doesn't lower the price to compete.
Third, when you lower the prices, you hurt your bottom line. You can't reduce prices forever. There is a line where it just isn't profitable and not worth it. And idiots that intervene into free market anf artificially jack up the costs of doing business are hurting small businesses that have little room to optimize their expenses.
@@SunnyIlha You've obviously never ran a business in your life and have no idea what a profit margin is.
Politicians ignoring economics all while damaging the lives of employers and employees. Another brilliant video from ReasontTV.
Fight for 15... Hah fight for unemployment
Unemployment for low skilled workers.
Unemployment for everyone you dunce th-cam.com/video/7Pq-S557XQU/w-d-xo.html
How would it unemploy everyone? Just because a fast food venue can't make it. Doesn't mean a drilling company with 18/hr starting has any trouble. As even the lowest paid worker is above the wage limit. I worked jobs that had a 20/hr bottom wage.
@@KSmithwick1989 watch the video
Fight for 15% unemployment
In a situation like this, a union for carwash employees, the only ones that benefit are the union suits. They collect the dues, and do nothing for the actual workers.
well in a situation where more than 2% of the employees are union members they could actually collectively negotiate for higher wages without needing the government to step in.
Annddd collectively allow lazy and non motivated workers retain positions that they probably shouldnt hold. Unions are long over used we have 3rd party non profit orgs that will do the same and aren't based on taking money from workers or be politics.
Car Wash workers demand $15/hour and get it. Car Wash owners raise prices to pay the workers the new wage. Former customers no longer can afford to get their car washed. Car Wash owners fire the no longer needed Car Wash workers. The cycle is so easy to see.
Kinda.What actually happens though is,that now the skilled workers get payed more above min wage,because they will always be worth an amount greater than min wage,or they wouldn't bother paying big bucks to collages to go get those higher payed jobs.So now the cost of all business goes up to match it.Now those who washed their cars can still afford it,as they're getting what they used to just the same,only in a higher dollar amount.All that's changed in the end,is that the value of a dollar has decreased and everyone uses more dollars to make up the offset.Those working for min wage stay in the same boat and now they want 30$ an hr lmao.
Now we're all hurt because of inflation,we're no longer making what we should be % wise on our retirement accounts and we can only hope that eventually keeps up too but whatever we've saved up and invested is now worth less and now we need more in dollar amount to live on in retirement.
Raising min wage is horrible for everyone involved besides the min wage worker.For him,nothings changed.He makes more per hour sure but he's in the same boat,not enough to live on because those dollars are now worth much less.If he's been able to save in retirement,his account is now worth much less too.
Cause and Effect
This is what happens within a fiat currency. Government officials get cost of living raises and who pays for that?
michaelterry1000 not so Michael. Income tax helps corporations
@@pacifactor Please point out specifically where the video states that "over 90% are still operating and paying $15 an hour". The video does state that 2% remain unionized to simply point out that the workers who are "protected" by unions are unhappy with the unions and that subsequently the unions are being "forced out". This video is in no way focusing on "what it admits are less than 2% of the businesses". The video focuses initially on the union(s) being the "instigator" of the bigger problem ($15 min wage); however, the primary focus is how the new minimum wage has created "unintended consequences" for the workers (increased automation and increased business closures).
The last part of your statement is somewhat ironic. You state that conservatives are "blind to reality, putting mindless rhetoric over observable phenomena" when the video clearly shows the "reality of closed business"...the "reality of workers cleaning cars on the side of the street illegally"...the "observable phenomena of increasing automation at the businesses that have remained open".
Let's be reasonable...liberals AND conservatives are sometimes (maybe often) guilty of "mindless rhetoric" and being "blind to reality". If you cannot see "mindless rhetoric" on both sides...you are not looking...or... maybe the man in the mirror is "bling to reality".
Lets be honest here the fight for a $15 dollar minimum wage wouldn't be a thing if we didn't send all are jobs overseas and if the cost of living still remained low.
you get what you vote for, vote for Democrats and get those policies.
Wages like respect is earned.. not blindly given...
Best comment...these leftist are going to kill this country
@Bob Jones There are billionaires because they work their asses off, create something that is of immense value to society, and in return society pays them for it. While a construction worker does hard physical labor, that does not mean he has worked 'harder' than Bill Gates necessarily. Bill Gates when he first started his business would put in extremely long hours 16 hour days, and would even then spend at least 4-5 hours a week doing continuation learning via reading, or whatever resource he had available to him. You realize there's only 2000 or so billionaires worldwide, just a little over 1/4th of them are in the USA. The combined networth of all the billionaires in the world is right at around 8 trillion, in the US it's a lot less. The top 400-600 wealthiest in the US own around 3 trillion. 3 Trillion divided by 327,000,000 is only 9,174. While that may seem like a lot of money, it really isn't. It would not be enough to pay for universal healthcare, or most of the programs that the democrats keep proposing. Capitalism incentivizes ingenuity, imagination, hard work. Socialism/Communism do not, they are mob rule.. the majority has the voice, and the minority can't do anything about it, even if their civil rights are being violated.. because mob rule determines what your "civil rights" are, and the mob doesn't always know best.
Corathor it should be easy to understand, that a person working a full time job deserve a living wage. That should be the worth of someone’s labor. Minimum wage exist for a reason, in an out of control capitalism system employers will pay you whatever they can get away with.
@@fabiansilva859 Sweden the socialist country most of these people idolize has no minimum wage.
Corathor you are correct, but Sweden have strong unions that negotiated salaries and benefits, and other social nets that protect its citizens. I’ll gladly give up a minimum wage policy if we can have Unions that strong in USA.
The Socialist Left doesn’t care about these workers beyond getting them to vote leftest. Who is going to help these people after the next vote? They need a skill and an economy where they can get a better paying job.
Exactly. They may have created some welfare probables who need to vote progressive (if eligible to vote) to continue to eat. The loss of jobs is clearly the result of artificially messing with wages. A follow up investigation would be to see what jobs the former car wash workers have picked up. Motivated immigrants find work. I'm sure many of these former employees are doing something else if they haven't migrated to the "independent contractor" washes. Worst case scenario for those immigrants who are hustlers is that they relocated. If wages are truly too much for businesses to bear, free people migrate to the jobs. This is an axiom of history!
Automated car washes suck they just fuck up your paint over time. I'd much rather get an illegal hand-wash to be honest.
$15/ HR?
The robots are coming!
If robots have a gross cost of $15 per hour and the cost of robots drops every year then this inevitable
@@kingmantheman It is inevitable either way, it is a matter of 'when' and not 'if'. It is a trend, technologies get cheaper. Eventually the cost/benefit of having machines and technologies that get cheaper and cheaper will simply outweigh humans who get tired after 12h shifts, that get sick, go to protests, may demand higher wages and so on. In the Netherlands you basically had 80% of staff in supermarkets replaced by self-serving machines. One of them may get broken every now and then, but they work round the clock and with every year the technologies become cheaper, whereas human wages don't. Unless living costs 'de'crease, we can assume that general inflation will keep happening while at the same time automation will become cheaper. It is just a matter of what can be automized at all and how soon that point will be reached (it will be reached sooner at $15 than $12, but eventually also $12 catches up, then $10 etc until eventually it becomes so cheap that humans simpyl would not be able to make a living out of how cheap they would have to go down in order to compete)
Its called a microwave oven, dummy, yet somehow people still go out to eat. They're buying service, not food.
@@jwfcp ?? Who's the "Dummy" you refer to?
@@mikeg4972 The guy who thinks that the robots haven't already been here for 60 years.
I own a car wash in LA. We’ve automated because of the high cost of labor and we’re actually making more money now. I keep 2 employees because there’s still a high demand for detailing but we’re 98% automated
And you did this due to politicians meddling. But they'll use you as a scapegoat for the masses to hate, other than everyone realizing the source of most of our problems.
So how little do your workers need to be paid for you not to sack them?
@@gastekglobal once it got to $14 an hour I was over it. Plus it’s constantly getting harder and harder to find employees. Washing cars is not an easy job and most people would rather work somewhere else
@@seanlankarani1144 So it's a hard job and you pay really shitty wages but then complain that it's hard to find employees? Gee I wonder why they'd prefer to work elsewhere. America has the lowest minimum pay in the Western world. Australia it's $19 an hour. UK is over $20 an hour. Somehow every other Western country can pay higher minimum wages and still survive.
Here's a hint for you. The less people earn, the less they have to spend on things like car washes. If people earn more, they have spare money to spend on things like your business. If they're paid a poverty wage, everything goes to buy food, electricity and a roof over their head. There is no spare money for businesses like yours.
@@gastekglobal enjoy your edd buddy