The way raven was looking in that live with Kiely I can tell she was sparing her. Raven was looking at her like “don’t push me and I’ll keep it cute” 😂
I've had a video on my phone for years of Raven doing this crazy evil sounding laugh, and I had no clue until right now that that live w Kiely is where the video is from. The vibes of that live feel contentious af
Lmao well then Raven def was the best for Galleria because she seems like a diva who wanted to be the center of attention. The main person of the group.
@@emilyangel4real Raven naturally has that star quality to her. She’s the Beyoncé of Disney for a reason. No one would’ve done that part justice as Raven did. Galleria was the leader, level headed hardworking, and multitalented, which is Raven to a T.
@@TEXANSHAWTY no doubt. 👏 I hope you weren't thinking I was smashing Raven in any way, I definitely wasn't lol I grew up with That's so Raven being the only Disney Channel show I enjoyed to watch because it was the only kids show that made me laugh and was a really good show on bringing on real-world issues (the racism episode, the photoshop episode, etc) plus the Cheetah Girls, ugh I live for musicals BECAUSE OF THAT MUSICAL ❤️. I'm just still mad at Whitney for not taking on the role of Drinka, she could've played that role perfectly, for goodness sakes she produced the dang film. But probably just an availability clash or something 🤷♀️
You guys are destroying our childhood and we love it This is actually great. We grew up being naive thinking certain career paths are perfect. This is revealing that no matter what job you have be it teaching, doctor, acting, engineering. Toxic environments exist. And being the best at your job doesn't not guarantee your life will run smoothly. Thank you for taking away the naiveté.
Raven made the smartest move by not wanting to tangle her identity up too much Cheetah Girls as a girl group. It’s hard to break out of such a childish image. Look at the measures Adrienne went to with the leaked photos, and Kieley is stuck in the past and virtually has no career.
Yeah I always understood why Raven didn't want to get trapped into the girl group. Sure the movie was cute. But that's the thing it's not adult. Girl groups actually have very little power or control. Raven was an actor first anyway.
@@senpaisally69 She still has work. She is still making money. Sure she is not some big star but money is money. The thing is she seems happy in her personal life and that is what's important. Stardom in Hollywood isn't what it's cracked up to be. Especially for women.
Ugh Solange’s management fumbled so hard. She should have done Cheetah Girls and then released her solo debut later down the line. You can tell they weren’t expecting The Cheetah Girls to be as big as it did.
Uh, no. Thank god she didnt take it. She would been stuck on the cheetah girl train for yeeears, like the rest of them. She would’ve been forever known as a cheetah girl. We might not have ever gotten the masterpiece she is today…
This video is everything for me. I was in a little Black girl in elementary school when Cheetah Girls came out and was definitely a part of the "frenzy." I remember trying to start a girl group at my school. Held auditions during recess and everything lol.
@@totezmagoatz what part of that is victim mentality?? theyre just talking about their past experiences and how important the Cheetah Girls was to their childhood
As a kid I loved seeing a group with different people. They reminded me of the Bratz dolls because each Bratz was a different race. I loved having the diversity because it felt like each doll was unique and pretty, unlike barbie that mostly looked the same.
Yes. I wish girl/boy groups became a thing again other than just SK. But there are some global groups coming out. I would like to see more BlackSwan type groups too.
Kiely saying that Adriane was never her real friend, when Adriane was the one who recommended Kiely for the part of Aqua, is unbelievable 😂 if it wasnt for Adriane, no one would know Kiely
She literally said she kept defending her. Kiely probably gaslit her into thinking she would never, all the while she is. She’s always seemed like a narcissist to me but I loved her in the movies
I knew Keily from 3LW, but yeah that was a dumb statement. I was best friends with a girl for years until she screwed me over. It doesn’t mean I was faking it when we were friends just because we aren’t now.
Well we knew her from 3LW so yeah there is that and she did it because why not she is also a singer, dancer and very pretty just like her and they would work close together like before. Fans loved 3LW so seeing both of them in the cheetah girls was not only shocking but a blast from the past.
While it is one, I think the best moment has to be Roger & Hammerstein’s Cinderella ☝🏽 I’ve NEVER seen another cast that was so diverse without it coming off as forced 💯
Raven was an actor that just so happens to sing. And the others were singers who just so happened to act. I can see why there would be some conflict there.
I mostly agree with you. Sabrina was a dancer at heart and wanted to get into acting. And stayed with singing with CG to advance her career. Which seemed to work because her dance career did bump after CG ended. I think to your point, Raven wasnt trying to go down the road Kiely and Adrienne wanted to. Again, no one thought the CG would become a phenomenon.
@@vitohoney5911yeah Sabrina definitely wasn't a singer. A dancer that was for sure trying to advance her career. She could hold a note, but did not at all have the vocal level of the other girls, that's why she had almost no solos in the songs. She had some, but they were short. Even in her dance solo in CG2, Belinda sang the song. She was a pretty good actor though.
Have you seen them live with or without Raven? The difference is glaring. Sabrina and Kiely could *not* sing or harmonize all while dancing. Adrienne could only do so much. When they performed the american national anthem, it was hilarious.
Raven was the big one. Aqua was the hot one. Dorinda was the short pudgy one. And Chanel was the one who would ruin Rob Kardashian for life. But together they are sisters...even though they don't look the same.
It makes sense. Her mom was the manager and probably propped up her ego more so than focusing on her talent. It ends up sabotaging the child star when people with more talent enter the arena. Similar thing happened with Hilary Duff when her mom sabotaged Lizzie Mcguire 2.
My only guess would be because of their religious background and you know how hollywood pretty much worships the devil lmao. Also them being a duo makes it harder for the higher ups to take advantage of compared to one child star.
I think the thing I liked most about the cheetah girls when I was a kid was that, Dorinda and Raven weren’t tooth pick skinny. As a kid I started gaining weight when I turned 8 and it really affected me. Seeing girls that were around my size made me feel a little healthier!
That is exactly pathetic and sad that you need to see others gain weight in order to feel better about yourself gaining weight as in you feel less guilty because you see others are doing it too when deep down you know it’s still not ok.
@@sandiego2380 I mean, I don't think weight gain is the fault of an 8 year-old? That is a child, and children are kind of famous for having very little personal agency.
It is fascinating how the casting people saw Adrienne and Raven have that chemistry and friendship which translated in real life. Even in the original movie, Chanel and Galleria were a duo and added the other two later. Chanel even said they will have an apartment together, not with the other girls. So that actually would fit a sequel movie if they do one now.
Definitely feel like Kiely was the filler. Sabrina added dance and stage presence even if vocally she couldn't contribute much. If Cheetah girls debuted as a trio, it would have worked sm better.
You GOTTA pay attention at the fact that everyone was able to make up and apologize for their parts in controversy EXCEPT for one person…..when you’re the person, you’re the problem
Mh no, I highly disagree. And the why is just simple as that: those you’re talking about who “apologized” they just did in front of a camera/in a specific circumstance. To keep it straight, just for the spotlight, to come out clean in order not to be painted as “bad guys”. They’re also commonly known as narcissist, sounds familiar? Unfortunately I had much in my life that I can tell and that’s why I always teamed up with Kiely and Sabrina. They seem the evil ones because they’re not pretending to be the candy mesmerizing girlies as Raven and Adrienne. I don’t say that Kiely is a saint either, but she gave me the vibe that if ever did something wrong, it’s for a reason. Also, the obvious cause of the group disband are still Raven and Adrienne for the same reason someone already commented and also I did these years here and there. And don’t get me wrong, as a kid when the movies came out I always preferred them to the others. But analyzing them better I noticed that something’s not right.
@@Florilegium1 actually, uhm…this kind of person does (and I think it’ll include you too at this point 😅)! Unfortunately I ran into this people, including my own family members, very often…so I know about that more than you can imagine. And yeah, also them will induce good people like me to go to therapy; I can’t deny I was going to do it and one day surely will because the pain they cause is enormously huge. I dealt with narcissistic/toxic people all my life and trust me, if they don’t kill you physically they will mentally and emotionally. Like I always say, of course by experience: they’re the evil in person.
@@skip031890 i think they mean diversity in the sense of disney shows as a whole, a cast that wasn't completely or majority white was diverse among the other shows and movies.
there were 2 black girls, a white girl and a latina, which IS DIVERSE, you just lump all the non white members together against the one white member and just feel like it’s not white enough for you, you seem to have a problem with a non predominantly white ensemble.
@@skip031890 Two black girls, one latina and one white girl is diverse especially during an era where everyone was blonde, white and basic-looking. That look is very boring and people wanted more, get over it
The very first That's So Raven episode aired on my 12th birthday. I had a HUGE sleepover with so many girls. It was snowing outside. We were extremely excited for the first episode.
Cheetah girls wouldn’t be as big if they didn’t put raven as the lead let’s be real. Raven was that it girl during that time. I wish solange he would have still joined the group. She can sing and dance. Both her and raven alone would have taken the group further
It’s crazy to me how Kiely & Adrienne were best friends then Adrienne & Raven became best friends & now Kiely & Sabrina r best friends. They really did pick their clique
Raven and Adrienne are not best friends they’re industry friends lol Sabrina and Kelly were in each others weddings . Raven found out Adrienne had a baby through a interviewer that’s hardly friendship
I still think casting raven in the lead was a mistake. There’s no way she could commit herself to that much work!! Disney really did overwork all their kids.
For real. I'm south-american and watched all of these shows and movies with Spanish dubs, which means that up until very recently I didn't even know most of these kids ALSO served as voice actors on top of everything else. They acted, recorded albums, toured, did press, attended media training/dancing/singing/acting clases, it all sounds like too much even for an adult.
@@GioGio-fq1vl right?? That’s a beyond a heavy workload!! If they tried to make an. adult take on all of that they’d laugh in their face and demand more money or tell them where to go. But for some reason they seem to think that kids have boundless energy and endurance to do all the work
@@Peajay007 Unfortunately there weren't that many laws protecting child entertainers back in the day, which is why some of these networks (I'm also talking Nickelodeon) got away with so much. I don't know if those regulations have changed, hopefully they have. I've noticed that more and more shows lately are hiring adults to play teens.
I think the biggest problem was how good the movie worked. At that point, Disney Channel movies were just something you watched on a Friday evening and forget the following week. No one could’ve seen coming how big the movie would’ve been plus Raven being in an equally successful show. That’s So Raven and The Cheetah Girls marked a new era of Disney, it was just bad luck for Raven to have been a part of that at such a young age.
You touched on the “auditions/creating a star” frenzy of that era - as someone in the industry I saw so many families get suckered into scam auditions they heard on the radio. Pay thousands for headshots and useless “classes”. The worst offenders were John Robert Powers and Barbizon. Worth a video of its own.
Been reading a lot Keely Williams was the problem. Man I was OBSESSED with them as a kid I had all the CDs but was mostly crazy for raven ❤❤ honesty 3 felt empty without her
@@crystalshaw8744 I read there was a lot jealousy from her, because Raven was already established and successful with her own show. So Kiely tried to single her out of the group, Raven said she felt excluded, and there where fights I read as well between them.
I didn't care to watch the 3rd movie without Raven in it. She carried the group and they did her dirty by releasing the sequel despite her not being in it.
I didn't even watch Cheetah girls 3 because Raven wasn't in it. Raven is one of my favorite actresses so when she left I left. Never even watched it don't want to watch it I really just like Raven. The rest were okay too I'm not saying they weren't, but my favorite one was Raven.
Raven's face while Keely was talking 😂😂😂 It's interesting that her mom went online and acted like a complete child and made an ass of herself being that she's older and supposed to be more mature. Keely was hardcore projecting and Raven's face says it all. Jealousy amongst women and internal misogyny will ruin anything if it's allowed and perpetuated and that's what Keely was perpetuating.
Okay I can believe that Adrienne was behind her own leak because she didn't really seem to gaf. She had the victim roll but at the same time seemed to enjoy the attention. Plus, she liked that she was seen more as an adult through her appearance on the kardashian show. Its sad that she felt the need to take it as far as exposing herself. Her nudes werent vulgar but it wasnt disneylike of course. I never knew that was ended the cheetah girl reign. And I appreciate how Raven knew where to draw the line and try to avoid being overworked.
I'm curious about Belinda's (Marisol) side of the story. Raven said she also felt like an outsider and that's why they got along so well. So how did the other girls treat her?
I like how I can watch these videos and be amazed at how many people didn't realize how much drama the girls had back then. Even back then we knew Kiely was why Raven didn't come back. They didn't have any onscreen chemistry together the 2nd movie, and They never really stood by each other in photos.
@GameLover-pz5zc When I watch TCG2, I can see that Kiely and Raven, in particular, weren't feeling each other. It's noticeable when they performed on GMA as well. It's subtle things, it's not necessarily "in our faces".
I felt the tension. In the first cheetah girls when the scene Where galleria wanted to the jackal Johnson instead of the talent show when aqua approached raven that was tense even for the scene
@@GameLover-pz5zc they definitely didn’t have chemistry in the second. The first movie yes cause they were actually friends/cool with each other but you can tell their was definitely some tension in the second one
Raven and Adrienne hardly ever acknowledge her, which means they not fond of her or are cool with her but also don't have anything that deep against her
I think it's because she's Kiely's best friend. It seems like a guilty by association thing. It doesn't seem like Raven and Adrienne dislike Sabrina per se.
Well there are obviously some issues it’s just not as touched on as much… which is why Raven and Adrienne keeps saying will do something but with just us… I do think there is definitely something going on with her as well…but she is just Dorinda to them so they don’t care
Kiely looks really rough. Anger, resentment and just bitter behavior ends up showing on the outside. She seemed to still have lots of questions on her chest in that chat with Raven so I hope she finds closure and can heal.
I’m glad that others see it too. She doesn’t look to well. She doesn’t seem content like the other women. It’s a form of karma in a sense, she thought that her ties would protect her. She has beautiful kids and what seems like a good hubby. However, her talking about the b2k members and sleeping with multiple members back then was crazy. I’m thinking you’re married with kids, why are you even bringing this up. She was rude to naturi from 3LW. She has an history of being problematic. She needs to heal. I know that her sister raised her. Her biological mom died in childbirth with her from what I’ve heard. I watched some old TH-cam videos and that show she had on BET, she drinks a lot of wine. I’m wondering does she use that as an outlet.
@@chacha2321Raven and Adrienne had success after, Kiely didn’t really. Maybe a bit part here and there but she never got to be the true Hollywood starlet like the other 2. Raven has always been “too cool for school” so to speak; both her and Adrienne come off as uppity and fake as hell. Always have.
I'm not sure if I like this painting of the "evil, jealous woman" in this story as looking rough and older, while the more fan favorite, more successful women obviously look more conventionally attractive (which is definitely not because they're still entertainers and get cosmetic touch ups /s) Not that cosmetic procedures are bad, or that I'm judging these women, but is it that hard not to correlate a woman's appearance to her actions?
Solange got pregnant and lost a bunch of Disney deals. She was about to blow up on Disney but she got pregnant and her team knew Disney wasn’t having it so they push her album to keep her in the light.
I was an angsty 14 year old who was into Korn and Limp Bizkit when the first Cheetah Girls movie came out and even I liked it. If Raven can't make you even giggle at her comedic timing, then you're dead inside. 😅
i haven’t watched the 3rd movie since around the time it was released. i remember always disliking it when i was younger and avoided watching it when rewatching the cheetah girls movies growing up. now i know exactly why i didn’t like it when i was younger lmaooo. leaving raven out is CRAZY, i guess i just totally forgot that happened.
I remember lol. I always disliked it because I had always assumed that they pushed her out of the movie and group cuz Raven was the heaviest and I thought that was messed up. Now I know it was so much worse than that.
Did anyone else ever notice how aquas character kind of changed from part 1 to 2? I felt like part 1 she was a little hood and snappy. And part 2 she was a little ditzy and nerdy.
Kiely has always been an envious jealous girl. Her family was so involved in 3LW and they probably gassed her up to be the “top girl” of Cheetah Girls. It’s always been Raven and the Cheetah Girls and they hated her for it.
Apparently during filming of the 2nd movie Kiely revealed on set that raven was gay and of course raven wasn’t ready to share that at the time and she was ready to throw hands on her but debrah took raven aside and talked to her that’s why she said ‘if it wasn’t for her I would of been in jail’
@@laurafabianmarrero All that I'm getting is someone pointed out that a Raven is stuffing her face , as if that is supposed to be a remarkable event or some virtue signaling of how laid back she is about being overweight and just not having the self restraint to even stop eating for a phone call or something. >>>> Now what would actually surprise me is if she called while she was out on a walk or something , cause the only running Raven ever seems to do, is of her mouth, which is likely to keep her jaw muscles strong for all that food she keeps hovelling in there. >>>> I find here as entertaining as the next person, just for different reasons than what is conventional these days
@@kammandebenevolence5505 she is free to do whatever she wants Looks like You áre focusing on the wrong thing. Cause of your dislike of Raven She loves to eat Is that a crime Geez 🤡🤡🤡
@@kammandebenevolence5505 Late to the party. Hello everyone. I think the focus is more on how unbothered she is, something you might be able to take a note on? Like I’m not even a huge Raven fan, but nearly writing a dissertation on the specifics of why you vehemently dislike someone you’ve never met (on top of body shaming lmao) seems just a bit….excessive?
Those book covers were *ICONIC* ! and yet, I had legitimately forgotten about them for the last 20 years until viewing this video! It's weird how time can wipe your brain
It’s crazy that Solange didn’t end up doing the cheetah girls because a lot of my friends & family even if they are older or younger than me (age25) didn’t even know Solange had a singing career but all of us had cheater, girl, posters & notebooks etc. that’s wild!!!!!!! Totally missed an opportunity 😮😢😅
There is something about that IG live between Raven and Kiely that felt fake. Not so much on ravens end but on Kielys. I have had friends like her who the friendship was all about them I had to be there whenever she needed me but when I needed her she was a ghost. That’s the vibes I’m getting from Kiely.
The Cheetah Girls soundtrack literally changed my life. Came out when I was like 10ish. It has the song Outside Looking In by Jordan Pruitt I believe and I listened to it on repeat for years and still at 30 years old think of it when I’m sad.
That first Cheetah Girls album was EVERYTHING EVERY. SINGLE. LAST. SONG. I don't remember the ENTIRE soundtrack for the 2nd movie as much as I vividly remember the first, but don't get me wrong, the 2nd movie AND soundtrack is FIRE to this very day ❤
The Cheetah Girls really opened the floodgates. Not only was it diverse, but we wouldn’t have High School Musical, Teen Beach Movie, Camp Rock… any iconic musical DCOM we probably wouldn't have if the Cheetah Girls didn’t prove it could be massively successful. So it really changed the game and I didn’t even grow up with it.
She would’ve been a great fit. But I also think Keily made the group perfect! She gave the clueless quirky Houston girl next door. Disregard her being messy & difficult to deal with in girl groups. She was an definitely an amazing dancer
@@icekoldvexcept she didn’t play Houston well. Her accent was bad and didn’t even make it into the second movie. Solange was actually from Houston and could bring that swag naturally. Also she would’ve sounded better on these songs ngl.
I had no idea all this was going on behind the scenes! I remember being a kid and noticing Raven wasn't always there. And I did get confused thinking like is this an actual group or just a movie or wtf and who's in the group fr? And some of them are in 3LW too lol. And 3LW was decently big, on the radio and mtv and whatnot. I mean, it truly was confusing to kids.
I was a teen from the start of the show and had pretty much outgrown it by the time Raven left. I completely lost interest by the time she came back but I did wonder why she disappeared.
@tajsimms8976 Idk maybe they did? Or like things about the group dynamics and Raven would be kinda mentioned once in a while in interviews or something like that, in a super fake nice way lol. Cause they probably had to address her absence somewhat. But it was like oh she's just really busy with other projects type of thing. I keep thinking it was like this mainly unspoken thing it was so odd. I had no idea it was so messy lol but at the time I was pretty young. And it was confusing cause I just couldn't tell what they actually were.
I still can never understand why they chose Kiely and not Naturi for the Cheetah Girls. Naturi could sing and dance and act, and she definitely seemed to have a great personality and good work ethic. She would have been perfect!
@@BiracialTanika She is not light skin, just brown. Also, talent is talent, regardless of color, and Naturi has definitely gone on to be more successful in the entertainment world than Kiely. In fact, if she hadn't been picked for the Cheetah Girls, we might not have seen Kiely again after 3LW ended.
@@gazellehelene5380 I agree with you, it's just that a lot of people are making the issues between 3LW a color issue when it was really just a couple of mean girls doing what mean girls do. I think Naturi isn't comfortable in her own skin because she did the same thing to Lil Kim and Kim never said nothing about her color. All Kim wanted was an unknown actress from the Bronx to play as her in Notorious.
Haven’t finished the video yet but it doesn’t seem fair for the girls to resent raven for the sitcom being shelved. She had so much on her plate already!
been wanting this deep dive for so long..you guys are DELIVERING 🙏🏼 this video is amazing omfg..i knew there’d be so much i didn’t know honestly i just love the cheetah girls so much and always will. aside from the fact that the movies are perfect.. their whole dynamic just fascinates me on and off screen because i realized that even in the movies their friendship was low key toxic 🤣
I never knew that Cheetah Girls were actually supposed to be a real group. I read the Cheetah Girls book series in the late 90's and early 00's. When the film was announced, I assumed that the group was just for the film and was never meant to actually be real until now. 😂
Kiely Williams is a classic narcissist. She bullied Naturi straight out of 3LW, and then she did the same to Raven and then to Adrienne. Once Adrienne realized how toxic Kiely was and that she was being played/manipulated for years, Kiely made Sabrina her new bff. Now, I'm not Adrienne was innocent because she used to follow Kiely's coat tail, but she needed to see the big bad wolf for what she was. Raven was the smartest one when it came to the "group." She knew that this was just another check, another job, and another part. Raven kept it professional and wasn't there to make friends. She was there to make her coin and go home.
I actually think Solange's lost potential for this movie was used pretty well in Bring It On: All Or Nothing. She played a realistic character that led her team with intimidation, but when she was challenged by Britney (the new girl), they both ended up respecting each other over time. She was great in the role despite how cheesy the film is at times!
But the Cheetah girls went on to have sequels and even release albums and go on tour. Cheetah girls is still being talked about to this day. Her team fumbled by making her release her debut album so early. They thought she could ride off of Beyoncé’s fame instead of developing her own image. If she did the Cheetah Girls she would have built her own fan base before going solo.
Lmao I didn’t even know that was beyonces sister wow tbh I didn’t even know she had a career I’ve only known her from the elevator incident with jay z💀
I can say as a cheetah girl stan since I was born(2002) I know the movie first came 2003, you made me cry so hard, the cheetah girls saved my life till this day thank you❤️ I noticed every single detail and I appreciate you taking the time to make this.
i’ve always followed this drama and i love seeing it all compiled in one place like this lmfao thank y’all. also like that one comment said DO AN ALY AND AJ VIDEO! AND A 3LW! that drama is crazy too
You’re so right, as a child it was my DREAM to be on a Disney channel show! I had such a rose tinted view of the actors lives, thinking they must have had the most wonderful time making the film and that they’re all besties 💀 as an adult I’m so glad I never got into the Disney machine or even was a child actor, the industry is tough as it is as an adult, I can only imagine how gruelling it would be for children who simply want to climb trees and play
I absolutely loved LOVED The Cheetah girls as a kid! I loved how unique they all were and how different from one another, and I was NOT aware of the clashes behind the scenes! Such an interesting video 😱 thank you guys for putting this much time and effort into your mini docs 🥰
I grew up with these four girls and just the cheetah girls in general. It’s sad to see what happened behind the scenes. But therefore I will always love and Stan with the cheetah girls they are the highlight of my childhood.
They seem to not be cool with Sabrina either. I bet it's mostly because Sabrina like Kiely ultimately blames Adrienne for the demise of the Cheetah Girls and since Adrienne and Raven had mended things - Raven has chosen to side with Adrienne which means she's against Sabrina.
It doesn’t seem like they’re close at all. Maybe just on speaking terms more than anything, but I think it’s more the association with Kiely that possibly puts them off. I can’t see any sort of animosity between them and Sabrina. Though, Sabrina follows raven, Adrienne and Kiely on insta, but Raven and Adrienne don’t follow Sabrina. Raven even follows Kiely, so only god knows.
my friends and i were OBSESSED with the cheetah girls. We had a watch party for the second movie, had all the books, etc. When we found out Raven was not gonna be in the 3rd movie we boycotted it lol
Galleria went solo and became a actress and stared in a movie with martin Lawrence called college road trip and had a single called Double Dutch Buss 🤣
Kiely's big sister Tse tweeted all that for what? Both her and Kiely always seem to be bitter or bothered by anything of the other members of Cheetah Girls or 3LW do. My goodness. Great video btw!
But you're not even gonna admit what Adrienne did was messed up? Adrienne lied to her fans about the whole laptop debacle which is what ultimately ended the Cheetah Girls - something they all worked on so hard together all because Adrienne didn't want to be a Disney star anymore. It's pretty messed up to go behind your friend's backs and sabotage their careers like that all for your own gain.
25:45 Raven was brought on a producer, not a director. Which does have varying job roles from coordinating an entire film, to just being a producer in name- regardless, she would still be their boss.
Sabrina saying that the casting was for “all ethnicities”. Now imagine more Disney shows were more open to casting to all ethnicities. Obviously, we needed someone like Brenda Song for Wendy Wu but in many cases we could’ve had a person of color when we had a yt actor. Heck! I would have even loved to see actors with hearing aids, prosthetic limbs, etc.
Dang…whoever made that decision for salange really did her dirty….an album lasts maybe a few months if your lucky it will catch on. Disney channel?? Instant Superstar. Guaranteed audience.
Omg, the cheetah girls! I already know I’m gonna love this. The cheetah girls used to be everything to me. It just sucks that the cheetah girls movies didn’t get the same recognition as High school musical
Rob has definitely not been the same since Adrianne left him. Rightly so though, I think he cheated on her alot but he went into depression after this and has struggled with his mental health ever since. Would also love a video on 3LW
Solange would've made a better Aqua imo. When Kiely was supposed to come off as "rude" or "sarcastic" she just seemed too nice. This also would've boosted Solange's career so much more
The way raven was looking in that live with Kiely I can tell she was sparing her. Raven was looking at her like “don’t push me and I’ll keep it cute” 😂
I've had a video on my phone for years of Raven doing this crazy evil sounding laugh, and I had no clue until right now that that live w Kiely is where the video is from.
The vibes of that live feel contentious af
Lmao well then Raven def was the best for Galleria because she seems like a diva who wanted to be the center of attention. The main person of the group.
@@emilyangel4real Raven naturally has that star quality to her. She’s the Beyoncé of Disney for a reason. No one would’ve done that part justice as Raven did. Galleria was the leader, level headed hardworking, and multitalented, which is Raven to a T.
@@TEXANSHAWTY no doubt. 👏 I hope you weren't thinking I was smashing Raven in any way, I definitely wasn't lol I grew up with That's so Raven being the only Disney Channel show I enjoyed to watch because it was the only kids show that made me laugh and was a really good show on bringing on real-world issues (the racism episode, the photoshop episode, etc) plus the Cheetah Girls, ugh I live for musicals BECAUSE OF THAT MUSICAL ❤️. I'm just still mad at Whitney for not taking on the role of Drinka, she could've played that role perfectly, for goodness sakes she produced the dang film. But probably just an availability clash or something 🤷♀️
Yes
You guys are destroying our childhood and we love it
This is actually great. We grew up being naive thinking certain career paths are perfect.
This is revealing that no matter what job you have be it teaching, doctor, acting, engineering. Toxic environments exist. And being the best at your job doesn't not guarantee your life will run smoothly.
Thank you for taking away the naiveté.
lmaoo ikr
honestly 😭
I feel like my childhood has been destroyed since the beginning, they just joining me lmao
Not me
It's sad but true I had no idea.
DYING at the fact that Raven consistently refers to Sabrina as DORINDA in contexts where they're obviously NOT talking about the character
Shady asf🤣🤣
Adrienne does it too XD
That never came to my mind. OMG
Raven had me crying this entire deep dive, like she really about that life 😭😭😭😭
Where was the context between Raven and Sabrina? what happened? Did I miss it?
Raven made the smartest move by not wanting to tangle her identity up too much Cheetah Girls as a girl group. It’s hard to break out of such a childish image. Look at the measures Adrienne went to with the leaked photos, and Kieley is stuck in the past and virtually has no career.
Kiely stay there for the last decades 😂😂😂😂
Yeah I always understood why Raven didn't want to get trapped into the girl group. Sure the movie was cute. But that's the thing it's not adult. Girl groups actually have very little power or control. Raven was an actor first anyway.
Her outcome was still the same. People know Symone because of her child acting, nothing else
Omg her song "Spectacular." 🤦🏽♀️
@@senpaisally69 She still has work. She is still making money. Sure she is not some big star but money is money. The thing is she seems happy in her personal life and that is what's important. Stardom in Hollywood isn't what it's cracked up to be. Especially for women.
Ugh Solange’s management fumbled so hard. She should have done Cheetah Girls and then released her solo debut later down the line. You can tell they weren’t expecting The Cheetah Girls to be as big as it did.
Blame her father. Matthew Knowles was managing her and Destiny's Child.
Yess she would have taken it to the next level and then if Raven left it would have been spice girls all over again lol
Uh, no. Thank god she didnt take it. She would been stuck on the cheetah girl train for yeeears, like the rest of them. She would’ve been forever known as a cheetah girl. We might not have ever gotten the masterpiece she is today…
@@GameLover-pz5zcnot anymore
@@erinalinaYet I know raven for raven. Upon till watching this video, I forgot about cheetah girls.
This video is everything for me. I was in a little Black girl in elementary school when Cheetah Girls came out and was definitely a part of the "frenzy." I remember trying to start a girl group at my school. Held auditions during recess and everything lol.
Wtf does race have anything to do with anything.......
@@totezmagoatzit was a big deal because back then mainstream girl groups aimed at tweens were either all white or majority white.
@@totezmagoatzit is a VERY BIG DEAL! Y'all racists man.....BLACK is NOT a bad word! 😂😂😂😂
@@tamcar04 no but victim mentality IS bad.
@@totezmagoatz what part of that is victim mentality?? theyre just talking about their past experiences and how important the Cheetah Girls was to their childhood
As a kid I loved seeing a group with different people. They reminded me of the Bratz dolls because each Bratz was a different race. I loved having the diversity because it felt like each doll was unique and pretty, unlike barbie that mostly looked the same.
Saame ☺️ growing up we needed the diversity
Yes. I wish girl/boy groups became a thing again other than just SK. But there are some global groups coming out. I would like to see more BlackSwan type groups too.
I’ve never seen anyone else with a user name spelled like mine, hi! 🩷
Same here
I straight up thought they were the Bratz when I was little but like under a different name like the barbie movies
Kiely saying that Adriane was never her real friend, when Adriane was the one who recommended Kiely for the part of Aqua, is unbelievable 😂 if it wasnt for Adriane, no one would know Kiely
She literally said she kept defending her. Kiely probably gaslit her into thinking she would never, all the while she is. She’s always seemed like a narcissist to me but I loved her in the movies
It’s “Adrienne” and I agree!
I knew Keily from 3LW, but yeah that was a dumb statement. I was best friends with a girl for years until she screwed me over. It doesn’t mean I was faking it when we were friends just because we aren’t now.
Well we knew her from 3LW so yeah there is that and she did it because why not she is also a singer, dancer and very pretty just like her and they would work close together like before. Fans loved 3LW so seeing both of them in the cheetah girls was not only shocking but a blast from the past.
I love ur pfp!
The fact that this is STILL one of the most diverse moments in Disney…
Crazy as hell. they got that diverse coin and went right back to yt😂😂
While it is one, I think the best moment has to be Roger & Hammerstein’s Cinderella ☝🏽 I’ve NEVER seen another cast that was so diverse without it coming off as forced 💯
@@JashonA-c7gwhich is what I crave, not diversity forced in my face and pointed out at every turn. R&H Cinderella handled it so very well
Agreed and it was so good for EVERY little girl watching this that’s why I loved them so much
@@cottoncandiez8872 never understand how in America people complain about diversity you just be white
Raven was an actor that just so happens to sing. And the others were singers who just so happened to act. I can see why there would be some conflict there.
😂😂😂😂😂
I mostly agree with you.
Sabrina was a dancer at heart and wanted to get into acting. And stayed with singing with CG to advance her career. Which seemed to work because her dance career did bump after CG ended.
I think to your point, Raven wasnt trying to go down the road Kiely and Adrienne wanted to. Again, no one thought the CG would become a phenomenon.
@@vitohoney5911yeah Sabrina definitely wasn't a singer. A dancer that was for sure trying to advance her career. She could hold a note, but did not at all have the vocal level of the other girls, that's why she had almost no solos in the songs. She had some, but they were short. Even in her dance solo in CG2, Belinda sang the song. She was a pretty good actor though.
Have you seen them live with or without Raven? The difference is glaring. Sabrina and Kiely could *not* sing or harmonize all while dancing. Adrienne could only do so much. When they performed the american national anthem, it was hilarious.
Raven was the big one. Aqua was the hot one. Dorinda was the short pudgy one. And Chanel was the one who would ruin Rob Kardashian for life. But together they are sisters...even though they don't look the same.
Kiely has always proven to be a source of drama and chaos.
Unfortunate because these girls where very talented
Exactly. She even admitted it herself by saying she’s “difficult”. Like no, honey. You’re a mean girl.
It makes sense. Her mom was the manager and probably propped up her ego more so than focusing on her talent. It ends up sabotaging the child star when people with more talent enter the arena. Similar thing happened with Hilary Duff when her mom sabotaged Lizzie Mcguire 2.
i hate her omg
The most insecure and underqualified....💀💀
Rob Kardashian in his prime saying he just wants to go home and watch cheetah girl movies while Adrienne was away is everything, I like her
Good marketing lol
He cheated on her lol
Omg the opening makes me wanna see an Aly and AJ deep dive…I have to know why their careers never took off like it should’ve 😢
They talk a little about it on their TH-cam channel and have rerecorded some of their songs
Don’t let nobody tell you
Your life is over
My only guess would be because of their religious background and you know how hollywood pretty much worships the devil lmao. Also them being a duo makes it harder for the higher ups to take advantage of compared to one child star.
Um they are still thriving . Look them up
@@ejpowerboyyes they are but they were seriously underrated even back in the day, they had like Nick Jonas level talent.
I think the thing I liked most about the cheetah girls when I was a kid was that, Dorinda and Raven weren’t tooth pick skinny. As a kid I started gaining weight when I turned 8 and it really affected me. Seeing girls that were around my size made me feel a little healthier!
Ok calling Sabrina, “Dorinda” is really ignorant, because she’s unproblematic and just minded her business.
@@christiansoto1367girl boo
That is exactly pathetic and sad that you need to see others gain weight in order to feel better about yourself gaining weight as in you feel less guilty because you see others are doing it too when deep down you know it’s still not ok.
@@sandiego2380If you missed the point, raise your hand…
@@sandiego2380 I mean, I don't think weight gain is the fault of an 8 year-old? That is a child, and children are kind of famous for having very little personal agency.
Solange's record label aint shit for depriving us of her role in cheetah girls 😭 Can you imagine where they would be if Solange was Aqua?!
Right cause they definitely wouldn’t have had beefs if solange was in it
AGREED!!!!! AT THAT TIME SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN HUGE PLUS BEY WAS PER USUAL KILLING IT TOO OMG BUT SOLANGE WOULD HAVE BEEN HUGE
Uhm let’s not act like solange has never been messy lol
It is fascinating how the casting people saw Adrienne and Raven have that chemistry and friendship which translated in real life. Even in the original movie, Chanel and Galleria were a duo and added the other two later. Chanel even said they will have an apartment together, not with the other girls. So that actually would fit a sequel movie if they do one now.
Fr! They could even do a basic premise like Girlz 5eva where one or two of the girls suggests a reunion because nostalgia is hot right now.
@@gypsywoman9140 no tht would be cringe I think they need to be the new mama cheetah for the next generation of cheetahs.
The should reboot it how they did Raven’s home. Have Galleria and Chanel coaching and managing a new girl group. It’ll be lit
Let’s be honest raven and Adrienne vocally carried the group. Sabrina and Kiely were there as filler.
sabrina was the dancer
Sabrina is way too much "I've seen this girl my whole life" type of look. I was tired of it even back then.
Definitely feel like Kiely was the filler. Sabrina added dance and stage presence even if vocally she couldn't contribute much. If Cheetah girls debuted as a trio, it would have worked sm better.
Omg yes!
@@LivBlanks lol and i'm sure you're a one of a kind beauty 😒 give me a break lmao she was and still is beautiful
Honestly, I would’ve preferred Solange over Keily. Her voice would’ve been strong enough to even be the lead 🤷🏾♀️
Hmmm explicit material lead to Kim Kardashians success so maybe there was some sort of influence from them.
You GOTTA pay attention at the fact that everyone was able to make up and apologize for their parts in controversy EXCEPT for one person…..when you’re the person, you’re the problem
Agree
Mh no, I highly disagree. And the why is just simple as that: those you’re talking about who “apologized” they just did in front of a camera/in a specific circumstance.
To keep it straight, just for the spotlight, to come out clean in order not to be painted as “bad guys”.
They’re also commonly known as narcissist, sounds familiar?
Unfortunately I had much in my life that I can tell and that’s why I always teamed up with Kiely and Sabrina.
They seem the evil ones because they’re not pretending to be the candy mesmerizing girlies as Raven and Adrienne.
I don’t say that Kiely is a saint either, but she gave me the vibe that if ever did something wrong, it’s for a reason.
Also, the obvious cause of the group disband are still Raven and Adrienne for the same reason someone already commented and also I did these years here and there. And don’t get me wrong, as a kid when the movies came out I always preferred them to the others. But analyzing them better I noticed that something’s not right.
@@Florilegium1 actually, uhm…this kind of person does (and I think it’ll include you too at this point 😅)!
Unfortunately I ran into this people, including my own family members, very often…so I know about that more than you can imagine.
And yeah, also them will induce good people like me to go to therapy; I can’t deny I was going to do it and one day surely will because the pain they cause is enormously huge.
I dealt with narcissistic/toxic people all my life and trust me, if they don’t kill you physically they will mentally and emotionally. Like I always say, of course by experience: they’re the evil in person.
So ... we not gonna say her name? lol
@@lexiocYou're making excuses
I think a large part of the reason why kids loved cheetah girls was the diversity, and the fact they could sing and dance was a cherry on top.
Majority black or brown is not "diversity". Just say the cast wasn't white and you liked that. 🙄
@@skip031890 i think they mean diversity in the sense of disney shows as a whole, a cast that wasn't completely or majority white was diverse among the other shows and movies.
there were 2 black girls, a white girl and a latina, which IS DIVERSE, you just lump all the non white members together against the one white member and just feel like it’s not white enough for you, you seem to have a problem with a non predominantly white ensemble.
@@skip031890 Two black girls, one latina and one white girl is diverse especially during an era where everyone was blonde, white and basic-looking. That look is very boring and people wanted more, get over it
@@skip031890it is diverse considering everything else on every station except BET was white
YES! Please do a deep dive on 3lw. I need it! Shoutout to Naturi for making it out of that.
I second this.
Black femininity tv has one that’s really good! I think empressive channel did one too
Her and Adrienne made that group☕️
3LW Next, Please...!!!
YASSS I NEED THIS ONE HERE C
People like Kiely never see the error of their ways.
She’s the common denominator in the end of 3LW & CG
@@lizdiaz2277everyone has apologized for things they've done , why is she te only one at fault?
The fact that they make her seem like a good one in this video
No one is making her seem like the good one, she just didn't have much power in Cheetah Girls like she did 3LW@@musicchannel-ut7vg
@@sonamy1231000 Because for some reason, people need to have a villian all the damn time
The very first That's So Raven episode aired on my 12th birthday. I had a HUGE sleepover with so many girls. It was snowing outside. We were extremely excited for the first episode.
same girl it aired on my birthday too!! yasss and Belinda has our bday! ❤🎉
42:11 Lol I love how Raven isn’t bothered. She’s just trying to get her peanut butter & live her best life 😂
Ikr
She didn’t do nothing wrong
Cheetah girls wouldn’t be as big if they didn’t put raven as the lead let’s be real. Raven was that it girl during that time. I wish solange he would have still joined the group. She can sing and dance. Both her and raven alone would have taken the group further
It’s crazy to me how Kiely & Adrienne were best friends then Adrienne & Raven became best friends & now Kiely & Sabrina r best friends. They really did pick their clique
Sabrina really should have gotten with the winning team because Kiely is a dead end career wise lol
@@WildtingzSabrina was an innocent by stander in all of this, I wouldn’t be surprised if Keily bullied her into a friendship
@@tajsimms8976they're still friends today.... 💀💀💀💀
@@kkkkksjdjdjjdjdjdjdI mean you can be manipulated even as an adult.
Raven and Adrienne are not best friends they’re industry friends lol Sabrina and Kelly were in each others weddings . Raven found out Adrienne had a baby through a interviewer that’s hardly friendship
I still think casting raven in the lead was a mistake. There’s no way she could commit herself to that much work!! Disney really did overwork all their kids.
For real. I'm south-american and watched all of these shows and movies with Spanish dubs, which means that up until very recently I didn't even know most of these kids ALSO served as voice actors on top of everything else. They acted, recorded albums, toured, did press, attended media training/dancing/singing/acting clases, it all sounds like too much even for an adult.
@@GioGio-fq1vl right?? That’s a beyond a heavy workload!! If they tried to make an. adult take on all of that they’d laugh in their face and demand more money or tell them where to go. But for some reason they seem to think that kids have boundless energy and endurance to do all the work
@@Peajay007 Unfortunately there weren't that many laws protecting child entertainers back in the day, which is why some of these networks (I'm also talking Nickelodeon) got away with so much. I don't know if those regulations have changed, hopefully they have. I've noticed that more and more shows lately are hiring adults to play teens.
I think the biggest problem was how good the movie worked. At that point, Disney Channel movies were just something you watched on a Friday evening and forget the following week. No one could’ve seen coming how big the movie would’ve been plus Raven being in an equally successful show. That’s So Raven and The Cheetah Girls marked a new era of Disney, it was just bad luck for Raven to have been a part of that at such a young age.
But she MADE the cheetah girls!! She was my favorite cheetah girl and I know I'm not the only one
You touched on the “auditions/creating a star” frenzy of that era - as someone in the industry I saw so many families get suckered into scam auditions they heard on the radio. Pay thousands for headshots and useless “classes”. The worst offenders were John Robert Powers and Barbizon. Worth a video of its own.
Raven laughing while eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on that live with Kiely lives rent-free in my head.
raven funny asffff 😂😂😂
Been reading a lot Keely Williams was the problem. Man I was OBSESSED with them as a kid I had all the CDs but was mostly crazy for raven ❤❤ honesty 3 felt empty without her
I heard Keely was the problem too but I don't remember the reason why.
You can just tell from the IG live Kiely does not get it. Raven is spelling it out for her and she misses the message. Probably the norm for her.
@@crystalshaw8744 I read there was a lot jealousy from her, because Raven was already established and successful with her own show. So Kiely tried to single her out of the group, Raven said she felt excluded, and there where fights I read as well between them.
I didn't care to watch the 3rd movie without Raven in it. She carried the group and they did her dirty by releasing the sequel despite her not being in it.
I didn't even watch Cheetah girls 3 because Raven wasn't in it. Raven is one of my favorite actresses so when she left I left. Never even watched it don't want to watch it I really just like Raven. The rest were okay too I'm not saying they weren't, but my favorite one was Raven.
Raven's face while Keely was talking 😂😂😂 It's interesting that her mom went online and acted like a complete child and made an ass of herself being that she's older and supposed to be more mature. Keely was hardcore projecting and Raven's face says it all. Jealousy amongst women and internal misogyny will ruin anything if it's allowed and perpetuated and that's what Keely was perpetuating.
Okay I can believe that Adrienne was behind her own leak because she didn't really seem to gaf. She had the victim roll but at the same time seemed to enjoy the attention. Plus, she liked that she was seen more as an adult through her appearance on the kardashian show. Its sad that she felt the need to take it as far as exposing herself. Her nudes werent vulgar but it wasnt disneylike of course. I never knew that was ended the cheetah girl reign. And I appreciate how Raven knew where to draw the line and try to avoid being overworked.
At the time she was trying to go solo too
Seems like she took a play out of the Kim K playbook.
@@mannyjohnson4539true but she damn near ruined her career well she did with Disney
I blame Disney. They like to keep control of their people. And yet Disney messed so many of them up.
Kris jenner told her, if she wants to be a super star must leak some
Shit
Raven is so down to earth and direct with her words, I simply love her.
I'm curious about Belinda's (Marisol) side of the story. Raven said she also felt like an outsider and that's why they got along so well. So how did the other girls treat her?
I like how I can watch these videos and be amazed at how many people didn't realize how much drama the girls had back then. Even back then we knew Kiely was why Raven didn't come back. They didn't have any onscreen chemistry together the 2nd movie, and They never really stood by each other in photos.
@GameLover-pz5zc When I watch TCG2, I can see that Kiely and Raven, in particular, weren't feeling each other. It's noticeable when they performed on GMA as well. It's subtle things, it's not necessarily "in our faces".
I felt the tension. In the first cheetah girls when the scene Where galleria wanted to the jackal Johnson instead of the talent show when aqua approached raven that was tense even for the scene
@@GameLover-pz5zc they definitely didn’t have chemistry in the second. The first movie yes cause they were actually friends/cool with each other but you can tell their was definitely some tension in the second one
Idk why but it's funny to me how Sabrina is the most unproblematic of them all. Like no one has any issues with her.
Raven and Adrienne hardly ever acknowledge her, which means they not fond of her or are cool with her but also don't have anything that deep against her
@@joshg7120Right and they both refer to her as DORINDA
I think it's because she's Kiely's best friend. It seems like a guilty by association thing. It doesn't seem like Raven and Adrienne dislike Sabrina per se.
Well there are obviously some issues it’s just not as touched on as much… which is why Raven and Adrienne keeps saying will do something but with just us… I do think there is definitely something going on with her as well…but she is just Dorinda to them so they don’t care
They actually do...nobody talks about it...but years ago, she and the other one were speaking bad of Raven and Adrinne...she is not innocent...
Kiely looks really rough. Anger, resentment and just bitter behavior ends up showing on the outside. She seemed to still have lots of questions on her chest in that chat with Raven so I hope she finds closure and can heal.
I’m glad that others see it too. She doesn’t look to well. She doesn’t seem content like the other women. It’s a form of karma in a sense, she thought that her ties would protect her. She has beautiful kids and what seems like a good hubby. However, her talking about the b2k members and sleeping with multiple members back then was crazy. I’m thinking you’re married with kids, why are you even bringing this up. She was rude to naturi from 3LW. She has an history of being problematic. She needs to heal. I know that her sister raised her. Her biological mom died in childbirth with her from what I’ve heard. I watched some old TH-cam videos and that show she had on BET, she drinks a lot of wine. I’m wondering does she use that as an outlet.
IDK She doesn't have any makeup on and Adrienne and Raven have at the very least had botox.
@@chacha2321Raven and Adrienne had success after, Kiely didn’t really. Maybe a bit part here and there but she never got to be the true Hollywood starlet like the other 2. Raven has always been “too cool for school” so to speak; both her and Adrienne come off as uppity and fake as hell. Always have.
I'm not sure if I like this painting of the "evil, jealous woman" in this story as looking rough and older, while the more fan favorite, more successful women obviously look more conventionally attractive (which is definitely not because they're still entertainers and get cosmetic touch ups /s)
Not that cosmetic procedures are bad, or that I'm judging these women, but is it that hard not to correlate a woman's appearance to her actions?
@@loureedpipes thank you this had to be said
Thank you for including the ending of that live with Raven just laughing and eating that peanut butter sandwich 😂 great deep dive!
Solange got pregnant and lost a bunch of Disney deals. She was about to blow up on Disney but she got pregnant and her team knew Disney wasn’t having it so they push her album to keep her in the light.
How do you know? Her album came out in 2002 and her son wasn't born until 2004
I was an angsty 14 year old who was into Korn and Limp Bizkit when the first Cheetah Girls movie came out and even I liked it. If Raven can't make you even giggle at her comedic timing, then you're dead inside. 😅
Absolutely true.
Maybe I'm dead inside then? She hammed it up too much, it was really "Disney" acting from her.
Ouch...guess i am. But i am more nickelodeon kid.
*in deep voice with scary atmosphere
“They weren’t sisters, they didn’t stand together”
i haven’t watched the 3rd movie since around the time it was released. i remember always disliking it when i was younger and avoided watching it when rewatching the cheetah girls movies growing up. now i know exactly why i didn’t like it when i was younger lmaooo. leaving raven out is CRAZY, i guess i just totally forgot that happened.
I remember lol. I always disliked it because I had always assumed that they pushed her out of the movie and group cuz Raven was the heaviest and I thought that was messed up. Now I know it was so much worse than that.
Did anyone else ever notice how aquas character kind of changed from part 1 to 2? I felt like part 1 she was a little hood and snappy. And part 2 she was a little ditzy and nerdy.
Yesss I thought that was so weird. I was like they took away her accent and everything lol
and that stupid Tx accent😂😂 the fact that they had a Texan for the role😂
Yup. It was weird
Kiely has always been an envious jealous girl. Her family was so involved in 3LW and they probably gassed her up to be the “top girl” of Cheetah Girls. It’s always been Raven and the Cheetah Girls and they hated her for it.
Rob kardashian crying saying “i just wanna go home and watch the cheetah girls movies” was the highlight for me
I will always want to know why Raven almost went to jail!! 😭
I think they had to stop her from putting hands on Aqua 😂
It was bc of kiely lmao, I read something on Google about her being jealous of Raven regarding the Cosby show
Apparently during filming of the 2nd movie Kiely revealed on set that raven was gay and of course raven wasn’t ready to share that at the time and she was ready to throw hands on her but debrah took raven aside and talked to her that’s why she said ‘if it wasn’t for her I would of been in jail’
@@Laurenlife yeah I that rumor but Kiely say she wasn't never trying to out her She'll Never Do That
aqua and rave were both black gurls so aqua def felt jealous of raven
The ending with Raven’s evil laugh 😂
"No, I still don't know you like that but I'm cool with you." Raven is so iconic lmao
I love how Raven is just scooping her peanut butter and eating away while chatting with kiely😂
what a surprise , she's eating?!!?!!
@@kammandebenevolence5505that is all you are getting from this comment
What a surprise 😂
@@laurafabianmarrero All that I'm getting is someone pointed out that a Raven is stuffing her face , as if that is supposed to be a remarkable event or some virtue signaling of how laid back she is about being overweight and just not having the self restraint to even stop eating for a phone call or something. >>>> Now what would actually surprise me is if she called while she was out on a walk or something , cause the only running Raven ever seems to do, is of her mouth, which is likely to keep her jaw muscles strong for all that food she keeps hovelling in there. >>>> I find here as entertaining as the next person, just for different reasons than what is conventional these days
@@kammandebenevolence5505 she is free to do whatever she wants
Looks like You áre focusing on the wrong thing. Cause of your dislike of Raven
She loves to eat
Is that a crime
Geez 🤡🤡🤡
@@kammandebenevolence5505 Late to the party. Hello everyone. I think the focus is more on how unbothered she is, something you might be able to take a note on? Like I’m not even a huge Raven fan, but nearly writing a dissertation on the specifics of why you vehemently dislike someone you’ve never met (on top of body shaming lmao) seems just a bit….excessive?
Those book covers were *ICONIC* ! and yet, I had legitimately forgotten about them for the last 20 years until viewing this video! It's weird how time can wipe your brain
It’s crazy that Solange didn’t end up doing the cheetah girls because a lot of my friends & family even if they are older or younger than me (age25) didn’t even know Solange had a singing career but all of us had cheater, girl, posters & notebooks etc. that’s wild!!!!!!! Totally missed an opportunity 😮😢😅
Yeah, bad management, she could have done the movie and after that drop her album. Probably we would have another great big artist by now.
Solange did become a big artist in her own right. Her album went number one and she won a grammy for it in 2017.
@@brittanytiera32992017? You do realize this movie dropped in 2002?
No she didn’t miss anything actually… I’m the end it’s just a memory and nothing more than that…
@@brittanytiera3299living in her sisters shadow. Grammys don’t even matter anymore.
Crazy how Adrienne and Kiely started 3LW - then the Cheetah Girls just ended up becoming 3LW, this time with Sabrina Bryan 😂 Loved it.
Sounds about white
Honestly when I saw that raven was gone, I was over the cheetah girls franchise. To me raven always pulled the group.
*period*
honestly i always felt like raven so shoot i wasn't interested either 44:13
There is something about that IG live between Raven and Kiely that felt fake. Not so much on ravens end but on Kielys. I have had friends like her who the friendship was all about them I had to be there whenever she needed me but when I needed her she was a ghost. That’s the vibes I’m getting from Kiely.
The Cheetah Girls soundtrack literally changed my life. Came out when I was like 10ish. It has the song Outside Looking In by Jordan Pruitt I believe and I listened to it on repeat for years and still at 30 years old think of it when I’m sad.
Omg so I read your comment, looked for the song, listened and I completely forgot about that song 🥺 thanks girl 🫶🏼
Another vote for a 3LW deep dive right here! 🙋🏾♀️
That first Cheetah Girls album was EVERYTHING
EVERY. SINGLE. LAST. SONG.
I don't remember the ENTIRE soundtrack for the 2nd movie as much as I vividly remember the first, but don't get me wrong, the 2nd movie AND soundtrack is FIRE to this very day ❤
The Cheetah Girls really opened the floodgates. Not only was it diverse, but we wouldn’t have High School Musical, Teen Beach Movie, Camp Rock… any iconic musical DCOM we probably wouldn't have if the Cheetah Girls didn’t prove it could be massively successful. So it really changed the game and I didn’t even grow up with it.
I bet Solange was DYING after seeing all the success of The Cheetah Girls. That really sucks for her.
@@GameLover-pz5zcCranes in the Sky is definitely her best song. Wish it could of been a massive hit after its release.
It would be amazing to see Adrienne, Sabrina, Solange, Raven and Belinda as The Cheetah Girls.
I'm sorry, but I DEMAND a reboot with Solange omg
THIS!
I feel like she would have been too old for the role
She would’ve been a great fit. But I also think Keily made the group perfect! She gave the clueless quirky Houston girl next door. Disregard her being messy & difficult to deal with in girl groups. She was an definitely an amazing dancer
@@icekoldvexcept she didn’t play Houston well. Her accent was bad and didn’t even make it into the second movie. Solange was actually from Houston and could bring that swag naturally. Also she would’ve sounded better on these songs ngl.
she doesn't play well with others lol
I love how this premier has a trailer! Makes me feel like I’m a kid again seeing a commercial for a show that’s coming on the tv later that day 🥹
I had no idea all this was going on behind the scenes! I remember being a kid and noticing Raven wasn't always there. And I did get confused thinking like is this an actual group or just a movie or wtf and who's in the group fr? And some of them are in 3LW too lol. And 3LW was decently big, on the radio and mtv and whatnot. I mean, it truly was confusing to kids.
sooo true😂
I was a teen from the start of the show and had pretty much outgrown it by the time Raven left. I completely lost interest by the time she came back but I did wonder why she disappeared.
Oh so Disney never explained it
@tajsimms8976 Idk maybe they did? Or like things about the group dynamics and Raven would be kinda mentioned once in a while in interviews or something like that, in a super fake nice way lol. Cause they probably had to address her absence somewhat. But it was like oh she's just really busy with other projects type of thing. I keep thinking it was like this mainly unspoken thing it was so odd. I had no idea it was so messy lol but at the time I was pretty young. And it was confusing cause I just couldn't tell what they actually were.
I still can never understand why they chose Kiely and not Naturi for the Cheetah Girls. Naturi could sing and dance and act, and she definitely seemed to have a great personality and good work ethic. She would have been perfect!
Y'all are just hating on Kiely because she's light skin. Keep it real.
@@BiracialTanika She is not light skin, just brown. Also, talent is talent, regardless of color, and Naturi has definitely gone on to be more successful in the entertainment world than Kiely. In fact, if she hadn't been picked for the Cheetah Girls, we might not have seen Kiely again after 3LW ended.
@@gazellehelene5380 If Kiely is brown then what is light skin? No pigmentation at all?😂
@@gazellehelene5380 I agree with you, it's just that a lot of people are making the issues between 3LW a color issue when it was really just a couple of mean girls doing what mean girls do. I think Naturi isn't comfortable in her own skin because she did the same thing to Lil Kim and Kim never said nothing about her color. All Kim wanted was an unknown actress from the Bronx to play as her in Notorious.
Naturi didn’t audition.
Raven Symonè has always been my favorite actress. She's so cool and down to earth.
Haven’t finished the video yet but it doesn’t seem fair for the girls to resent raven for the sitcom being shelved. She had so much on her plate already!
It’s weird they resented her for that when they’ve had several successful tours without her
I still have their CD in my childhood home! I LOVED the cheetah girls so much! Thank you for another amazing doc ❤
been wanting this deep dive for so long..you guys are DELIVERING 🙏🏼
this video is amazing omfg..i knew there’d be so much i didn’t know
honestly i just love the cheetah girls so much and always will.
aside from the fact that the movies are perfect..
their whole dynamic just fascinates me on and off screen because i realized that even in the movies their friendship was low key toxic 🤣
You mean songs , they heard 3 days ago. Lol
@jaredjams4267 right 🤣
I never knew that Cheetah Girls were actually supposed to be a real group.
I read the Cheetah Girls book series in the late 90's and early 00's.
When the film was announced, I assumed that the group was just for the film and was never meant to actually be real until now. 😂
Kiely Williams is a classic narcissist. She bullied Naturi straight out of 3LW, and then she did the same to Raven and then to Adrienne. Once Adrienne realized how toxic Kiely was and that she was being played/manipulated for years, Kiely made Sabrina her new bff. Now, I'm not Adrienne was innocent because she used to follow Kiely's coat tail, but she needed to see the big bad wolf for what she was. Raven was the smartest one when it came to the "group." She knew that this was just another check, another job, and another part. Raven kept it professional and wasn't there to make friends. She was there to make her coin and go home.
I actually think Solange's lost potential for this movie was used pretty well in Bring It On: All Or Nothing.
She played a realistic character that led her team with intimidation, but when she was challenged by Britney (the new girl), they both ended up respecting each other over time. She was great in the role despite how cheesy the film is at times!
And that Bring it On film was one of the best in the franchise
@@jasminedeadlymagmitenot better than the first one, sorry
But the Cheetah girls went on to have sequels and even release albums and go on tour. Cheetah girls is still being talked about to this day. Her team fumbled by making her release her debut album so early. They thought she could ride off of Beyoncé’s fame instead of developing her own image. If she did the Cheetah Girls she would have built her own fan base before going solo.
At times? like when you press play
Lmao I didn’t even know that was beyonces sister wow tbh I didn’t even know she had a career I’ve only known her from the elevator incident with jay z💀
I can say as a cheetah girl stan since I was born(2002) I know the movie first came 2003, you made me cry so hard, the cheetah girls saved my life till this day thank you❤️ I noticed every single detail and I appreciate you taking the time to make this.
i’ve always followed this drama and i love seeing it all compiled in one place like this lmfao thank y’all. also like that one comment said DO AN ALY AND AJ VIDEO! AND A 3LW! that drama is crazy too
This is the most well written and well told story that I had ever seen. Thank you for deep diving with us with our childhood movie.
You’re so right, as a child it was my DREAM to be on a Disney channel show! I had such a rose tinted view of the actors lives, thinking they must have had the most wonderful time making the film and that they’re all besties 💀 as an adult I’m so glad I never got into the Disney machine or even was a child actor, the industry is tough as it is as an adult, I can only imagine how gruelling it would be for children who simply want to climb trees and play
I absolutely loved LOVED The Cheetah girls as a kid! I loved how unique they all were and how different from one another, and I was NOT aware of the clashes behind the scenes! Such an interesting video 😱 thank you guys for putting this much time and effort into your mini docs 🥰
Great job on the doc! The end with Raven was hella funny. ❤
Yaasss to 3LW deep dive!❤❤❤ ur teams level of celebrity train wreck journalism is Oscar/Pulitzer/Sundance/Mensa worthy each & every time❤❤❤
Omg thank you 🥹💜
I always thought the third movie was so lackluster without Raven💀
I tried watching it once but gave up. I couldn't find myself liking the movie because Raven wasn't in it. It had no zest for me
The edits in this video are VICIOUS!!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I grew up with these four girls and just the cheetah girls in general. It’s sad to see what happened behind the scenes. But therefore I will always love and Stan with the cheetah girls they are the highlight of my childhood.
Yes please do a 3LW deep dive! I was a big fan as a kid and I even saw them in concert. I always wondered what happened them!
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The most underrated channel on TH-cam, thank you guys for all your hard work you put in your videos!!
Of course it’s underrated. The algorithm won’t like this channel to tell the young masses the truth
I’m actually curious to know how Raven & Adrienne feel about Sabrina. They almost never mention her even though we know her and Kiely are best friends
They seem to not be cool with Sabrina either. I bet it's mostly because Sabrina like Kiely ultimately blames Adrienne for the demise of the Cheetah Girls and since Adrienne and Raven had mended things - Raven has chosen to side with Adrienne which means she's against Sabrina.
Well Adrienne has mentioned dorindas character if they were to redo a film, so it seems like shes chill with her but maybe not besties
It doesn’t seem like they’re close at all. Maybe just on speaking terms more than anything, but I think it’s more the association with Kiely that possibly puts them off. I can’t see any sort of animosity between them and Sabrina. Though, Sabrina follows raven, Adrienne and Kiely on insta, but Raven and Adrienne don’t follow Sabrina. Raven even follows Kiely, so only god knows.
Yeah, it seems like they're just acquaintances.
… why does NO ONE bring up the fact that they changed aqua’s personality SIGNIFICANTLY for the sequel ?!?
my friends and i were OBSESSED with the cheetah girls. We had a watch party for the second movie, had all the books, etc. When we found out Raven was not gonna be in the 3rd movie we boycotted it lol
Galleria went solo and became a actress and stared in a movie with martin Lawrence called college road trip and had a single called Double Dutch Buss 🤣
Kiely's big sister Tse tweeted all that for what? Both her and Kiely always seem to be bitter or bothered by anything of the other members of Cheetah Girls or 3LW do. My goodness. Great video btw!
But you're not even gonna admit what Adrienne did was messed up? Adrienne lied to her fans about the whole laptop debacle which is what ultimately ended the Cheetah Girls - something they all worked on so hard together all because Adrienne didn't want to be a Disney star anymore.
It's pretty messed up to go behind your friend's backs and sabotage their careers like that all for your own gain.
@@basskitten808.exactly
@@basskitten808. oh, I could've sworn I only mentioned Tse and Kiely. Never said Adrienne was in the right........
@@basskitten808.honestly I couldn’t care less about the laptop thing lol
You can say that again
Anyone else remember how Kiely was originally casted as hard bodied but then became super sweet and kinda slow in later movies? 😂
Yeah they “dumb blonde”-ed her
25:45 Raven was brought on a producer, not a director. Which does have varying job roles from coordinating an entire film, to just being a producer in name- regardless, she would still be their boss.
obsessed with this video, would LOVE a 3LW deep dive from you two
As someone who specifically remembers going to the cheetah girls concerts, and it being one of my first, I am obsessed with this video🥰
I genuinely don't think I've ever been so excited about a video premiere
Raven and Adrienne have always been my top two favorites in the Cheetah Girls 🥰❤😊
Sabrina saying that the casting was for “all ethnicities”. Now imagine more Disney shows were more open to casting to all ethnicities. Obviously, we needed someone like Brenda Song for Wendy Wu but in many cases we could’ve had a person of color when we had a yt actor. Heck! I would have even loved to see actors with hearing aids, prosthetic limbs, etc.
Dang…whoever made that decision for salange really did her dirty….an album lasts maybe a few months if your lucky it will catch on. Disney channel?? Instant Superstar. Guaranteed audience.
Omg, the cheetah girls! I already know I’m gonna love this. The cheetah girls used to be everything to me. It just sucks that the cheetah girls movies didn’t get the same recognition as High school musical
Yes, do a 3lw story. Great video!
Rob has definitely not been the same since Adrianne left him. Rightly so though, I think he cheated on her alot but he went into depression after this and has struggled with his mental health ever since. Would also love a video on 3LW
Solange would've made a better Aqua imo. When Kiely was supposed to come off as "rude" or "sarcastic" she just seemed too nice. This also would've boosted Solange's career so much more