The BIZARRE Case of the Most TOXIC Lady In the World... an Unsolved Nightmare
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The bizarre and dark true story (some of the names have been changed) of the woman named The Toxic Lady, who was the victim of a very strange and unsolved medical mystery that has baffled doctors for decades. What really happened? Who is to blame? This story has twists and turns the entire time, and a strange and sad ending. Is this more complicated? What do you think?
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I want that dance moms doc, and a real solid exposé, not just drama /gossip on Abby Lee miller- and in the future would like to see swoop cover this thing we see over and over again: these influencer/gamer men and minors. The most recent being Dr Disrespect, but it’s a familiar story! So many of these guys with under age kids. It’s a pattern
I'd love to hear all your petty for crypto/finance scammers 🧐
I hope you are doing better and taking care of yourself! ❤ Sending love and support your way!
Imagine having all of these longterm symptoms and being diagnosed with “woman”
I think a lot of us don't HAVE to imagine it ;-;
It's better now! You get diagnosed with "anxious woman" these days ✨🥰
It's honestly a living nightmare to live with such a crippling condition
I wish it wasn't true but it is.
That's most women with chronic physical illness or psychological illness... in the US anyway.
Why is a woman’s pain or sickness ALWAYS written off as stress/anxiety! WTactualF!! Silly women, it’s all in your head… 😡
This all happened before the medical community admitted that for >90% of Western medical history, all data was collected from cishet white men, with the exceptions of breast, ovarian, uterine, and cervical cancers and contraceptives. The medical community and industrial complex have a lot of work to do to begin fixing this, but we still have too many with the money to pay for those studies refusing to fix anything.
@@auberginebear….thank you. This just blew my mind and made me feel validated all in one. 🥲
Because the medical community is overwhelmingly misogynistic. Even Men and Women’s pain is treated differently.
I was fuming at that article quote. It does not make any sort of sense medically or scientifically, based on the symptoms of each hospital staff member, and how long they were affected.
Starting to think that myself been in pain foe my shoulder for 3 years and w for abdominal pain. It's fucked I don't know what's wrong.
As an ED Trauma Nurse, we deal with highly stressful, traumatic, horrific situations on the daily. There are things I've seen that have actually scarred me. We learn to "shelf" our feelings and move on to the next patient. I find the women falling to "mass hysteria" HIGHLY unlikely. In fact, most of the time, we are accused of not feeling ENOUGH. Something bad enough to knock an ED nurse/doc down is most definitely NOT hysteria. Smh, unreal
That was probably male admins. Because, business men who do t know what you do. Sigh.
My question for you is what percentage of the ED staff are women?
I know that the trauma response team at a local large hospital is one man, and 6 to 8 women.
A friend who was the head of an ICU in the same hospital, once told me he preferred women on his staff because they reacted to emergencies for more efficiently and were better at processing in the aftermath of trauma.
@catm5889 We are a Level 1 trauma center, so we have a large staff. To be honest, I don't know percentages. But, we have both male and female docs and nurses. Although, I'll say the majority of docs are male and the majority of nurses are female. Our techs are split pretty equally.
I just have to say that the theory about mass hysteria with women becoming "anxious" in the medical setting is such a load of BS. They tried to push that theory on a family member of mine that officially got diagnosed by a female cardiologist that saw all of the documentation we had from the hospital. NOT ONLY did my family member have tachycardia, but she had 2 infarcts (STROKES) that were in the hospital's medical records. AND YET. And YET the hospital that had those records pushed for her to see a psychiatrist and insisted all the issues she was having was anxiety... which was so incredibly false. The hospital blatantly lied to us about the records and never told us about the recorded strokes, we had to learn that from a specialist. I hate hospitals in America so much.
I will NEVER understand why any woman with ANY kind of symptoms are treated as such. Ultimately it was nerve damage (carpal tunnel, ulna nerve in elbow) and subsequent surgery due to type 1 diabetes complication. When the pain got so bad I thought it was affecting my heart, it was chalked up to anxiety because the ER doc didn't like the medication I was taking AND my Mom was there crying with me. F that a**hat.
How awful. So sorry you and your family had to deal with such shocking treatment.
Good ol' anxiety diagnosis...I remember when a doctor told me I had anxiety and acid reflux...it was heart failure😑
Wtaf!??..disgusting..absolutely terrible,I'm sorry to hear that 4 you all
@@_.-._.-._.-._.-.😮😮😮shocking..that is just shocking..sorry luvx hope ur okay now!!?..
ED worker here: a “sociogenic” illness is now called a Conversion Disorder (CD) Symptoms certainly include abnormal body sensations, loss of coordination and even convulsions. But a CD cannot cause necrosis of bone or respiratory failure or anything else that could EVER lead to an ICU stay. A CD is a CD (and not any other diagnosis) because it’s symptoms STAY neurological and have any effect on the ways we determine someone’s physical health. I can’t believe so-called professional investigators would overlook that basic fact.
Conversion Disorder is now more commonly referred to as Functional Neurological Disorder. I have it and I suffer from tics, migraines, and non-epileptic seizures. From what I heard in the doc I think it’s probably a bit of both. It definitely doesn’t account for the ER stays. But FND is interesting because it’s not just caused by trauma or “hysteria”. Some people get it after getting the flu or an infection. I wouldn’t be surprised if the chemicals caused these episodes of FND until they were fully worked out of the system.
Did anyone ever investigate where she was getting her chemotherapy from? Could she have received something contaminated or deliberately altered, like black market meds? How long was it between her last chemo treatment and her succumbing to her cancer?
Nah in the end she was using a topical cream to help her with pain. The combo of men's, cream and her chemo treatment. This lady became the human embodiment of nerve gas!! This case was soooooooooo wild !!!
@@epictwinkaho1ic828 But as was mentioned---they weren't able to duplicate what happened based on this theory. And when you're approaching something like this scientifically---if you can't duplicate it, the theory is debunked. Her family also says she wasn't using the cream.
@@epictwinkaho1ic828they said it was DMSO cream. I have that cream and use it often and I’ve never had this (obviously bc this case is so bizarre). They said it had to have been copious amounts. The whole thing is just mysterious.
@mhi11 of course they can't duplicate it if they don't have the exact amount of cream used. The dosage of it too. Not to mention the cocktail they administered and the drugs administered in the ambulance. All I know from the story told to me by actual family who were around Is she literally became nerve gas. My uncle was at the hospital and told staff it was nerve gas cause he recognized the affects from war.
It was mentioned that she didn’t have health insurance or a job when she got dx, and back then, anything and everything was a “pre-existing condition” that wouldn’t be covered if you got a job and health insurance after dx.
I remember this case. It was extremely odd. You did a great job explaining all the avenues. It was a perfect storm it seems…never to happen again. And who gets put in the ICU for 10 days and 2 weeks because of hysteria? Ridiculous. Those women were affected by something.
And people still say "Well, why weren't the doctors affected?? Obviously, it was just Female Hysteria in a High Pressure Situation!" No. Doctors are not in close, consistent contact with patients. Doctors are not collecting the samples. Doctors are not handling, transporting and prepping the patients. Doctors don't have the most and closest contact; Nurses do
I can't remember who else did a video on this that explained the crazy events of how perfectly everything just went wrong cuz the lady consuming that stuff she thought would help get rid of her cancer (I forgot what it was, I haven't watched this video yet) so when they took the defibrillator to her, it caused a chemical reaction with it inside her body and essentially made her a bio weapon. It was wild how everything lined up, I truly doubt it's something that would happen again. At least if it did though, we have something to look at for reference.
@AshChiCupcak Was it Mr.Ballen? I remember the home remedy + defibrillator created a devastating interaction in her body, too.
@@rachegasm Yes! That was it! I watch way too many ppl lol. I honestly think that's the best explanation. Sure sounds better than "Oh, its just silly women being dramatic". I imagine it would be extremely hard to recreate to prove.
Defibrillator would explain why the ambulance staff didn't get sick. Ambulance staff would do venipuncture, give some stabilizing meds, give oxygen. So why weren't they stricken? (No, the answer isn't "because they were men." 😂) Maybe they were affected and I missed it?
Really, any energy-driven diagnostic or treatment could have been the catalyst; or possibly a drug metabolism by-product triggered a reaction: that would have been delayed and could have had its onset in the ER.
This story has always fascinated me
So... Fun fact. DMSO is still used quite often in the veterinary world, esp for horses. It's pretty easy to get over the counter in gel and liquid form, and it's not only used as an anti inflammatory itself but it's best known for being able to carry whatever you put with it directly into the bloodstream. (So you mix it with Ibuprofen, for example, and put it on your skin.... Goes straight into the bloodstream from topical application, do not pass go, do not collect $200.)
Another fun fact is that it absorbs super fast. So if Rosie was as private as it sounds like she was, it's possible she didn't want her boyfriend and close family to know she was trying alternative medicine. If she applied it without gloves or without washing her hands and, say, right after taking her medication, Rosie could have accidentally ODed herself while applying the DMSO without realizing it, causing the issues that sent her to the hospital and starting the chain reaction - meanwhile, friends and family may have never been aware.
That makes sense. We need to start with children and repeat every year that veterinary medicine is not made for humans. That gasoline and car oil should not be used on any living creature. Over and over and over. I don’t know how else to get some of these people to stop doing it. Sigh.
Excellent explanation!
This is exactly what I was thinking too. Like a lot of women, we hear all kinds of nonsense and old wives tales on how to cure/relieve symptoms through alternative means. Whether it's essential oils, the miracles of apple cider vinegar, or different things to help with your period.... We get this kind of stuff thrust in our faces on the regular. It wouldn't surprise me if a close friend, aged relative, or even a stranger at a doctor's office where she went for treatment told her how it cured so and so's cancer....or at the very least, helped their symptoms. I've fallen victim to it myself when I was younger, and as a woman who has had and beat cancer three times (cervical, skin, and most recently brain), I'll tell you that even the smartest, toughest, most practical person you know will consider snake oil, when their options are running out. Whether her loved ones truly knew or not is also debatable. If I had been the Auntie who mentioned the "miracle cure" that would end up killing my niece, injuring others, and creating a medical mystery that is still not completely solved... I'd probably stay silent too. What I'm trying to say is that most women are pretty secretive about how they manage their health, especially when it comes to "miracle cures". It's embarrassing to rub Vicks all over your feet and put a slice of onion on your soles, before sliding a sock over it. If it works, you sing its praises, but if it fails, nobody witnessed it so there's nothing to be embarrassed about!
My humble opinion is that everyone was feeling like the chemo or radiation wasn't helping. Through some means, she was told about the horse cream, and she thought.... It's cheaper and easier than chemo! She picked it up on her way home from treatment and figured she'd give it a try, what did she have to lose? She took her nighttime meds, applied the cream and crawled into bed, hoping the new "cure" would at least help her symptoms (which are brutal). She begins to overdose on the meds she has taken (even now cancer free, I take 11 meds in the morning, 7 at midday, 9 at night, and 5 in the middle of the night. When I was battling cancer, I had more than that, plus supplements....), and is put in the ambulance... which gives her oxygen all the way to the hospital. Every subsequent drug is making the overdose worse, because they don't know she *is* overdosing. The chemical reaction occurs and when the nurses...who are the ones who usually stick people...draw blood, they are the ones most affected. They just happen to all be women nurses, hence why it was only women affected. It seriously just makes sense. And they've never been able to recreate it........ No shit! Your telling me they are going to take a woman dying of specifically stage four cervical cancer, slather her in the compound cream, force her to take all the meds Rosie took that night, and then repeat what every single medical person did that night to see if they can recreate it?!? No. There's no way to perfectly recreate this. Not with a mouse, or a pig, or a monkey. Not to mention there will never be anyone with her exact genetic sequence, taking the exact chemo mixture, using the exact cream of the exact batch.....
Like, you can't perfectly recreate this, no one will be able to, and to me that is a good thing. Can you imagine the perfect recreation of these events, in the hands of a terrorist? That knowledge should never be given to the public, even if they do figure it out. 😓
Ahh, yes, the old "hysteria in women". I guess some stupid never dies
You realize that diagnosis was attempted 30 YEARS AGO NOT YESTERDAY, right?
@@stevengrass6800which is pretty recent
@@stevengrass6800 As a woman, I cannot tell you how different some doctors respond to my complaints vs. my husband's EXACT SAME complaints. The fact that, even 30 years ago, such an archaic and dismissive diagnosis could happen is disgusting. That's the kind of thing that happened in the Victorian era. Shouldn't have happened then, definitely shouldn't have happened 30 years ago, and it still happens today. They've just gotten better at gaslighting women and convincing us we're imagining things.
Like isn't the name itself a sexist idea? Like hysterical? Hyster from like hysterectomy. It's an incredibly outdated idea based on sexism assumptions and not actual unbiased science
@@csales76I agree that diagnosis shouldn't have been used in since the 18th century, but the way society treats women and victimhood these days, I find your entire statement unbelievable.
Considering the fact that the family sued the hospital for malpractice, I can see why they wouldn’t say she used DMSO if she had. It would make sense she would turn to alternative methods, since she didn’t have insurance and our healthcare system sucks
When they said cause of death was natural 💀 what it the hell was natural about anything that happened? The hospital was definitely trying to keep their hands clean
I lived about 15 min from Riverside when this happened and remember seeing this on the news. Years later I would become and still am a RN in the ER and let me tell you patients come with all sorts of bizarre stuff. They take off their socks and skin flakes going flying like snow everywhere. I once had a patient put her crack pipe on the light in the bathroom bc I had security escort her out 30 mins later toxic fumes were billowing out of the bathroom and had to evacuate half the ER bc of it! Girl, I've got some stories, lol!
Good lord, I bet you do! A group of retired ER folks should write a group book telling it all!😂
Wow! Maybe it’s some sort of weird paranormal thing lol
Yeah, anxiety causes degenerative bone loss in your knees. Of course! 🤬 I briefly worked with a doctor in the endocrinology department who told a woman to “take an antidepressant and pray” when he couldn’t be bothered to work on her case. She had seen multiple doctors, non of whom had helped her symptoms. She just wanted an answer to what was wrong with her, and of course was told it was in her head. When I went back in the room, she broke down in tears and told me what the doctor said. I sat on the exam table with her and held her as she cried. Needless to say she didn’t book a follow up appointment. I quit about a week later. 💔
Doctors like that one are why I've lost faith and trust in the medical system at large. The "everything is anxiety" Doctors, there's too many of them VS the good ones who actually want to figure out and get to the the root cause of what's going on.
It’s not just men doctors, either, some of the women are malignant narcissists, too, sadly.
@@SnowieShiba And if it's not anxiety, it's being overweight. And possibly also anxiety.
I've watched the entire video. The most toxic person is still my mother
Oh mine too but she’s dead so yours has the trophy. I’ll mail it to her
I feel this. Sorry. It is SO damaging to be raised in a toxic environment.
Also hugs to you
Medical science always stupidly claims something is "psychosomatic" whenever they lack a better answer, particularly when it comes to illnesses affecting women. Insulting and so frustrating!!!!
That's the real toxicity! I remember my (toxic) parents gatekeeping medical access by declaring any sickness/symptom I had as a child as "psychosomatic". Now I have chronic conditions, including autoimmune.
@@JanetChuiArtist I completely understand, and I also grew up with chronic autoimmune stuff and chronic pain as well. I was told by my doctor as a 15 year old teenager that all of my complaints were psychosomatic, and he forced me to take an MMPI psych test because he just kept undermining and discounting me instead of referring me to specialists. Finally, I fought to see a gastroenterologist and a few other specialists and was diagnosed with 5 or 6 different conditions. I had to fight to be believed, and that should have never happened. Being better diagnosed, and sooner, would have saved me years of suffering. Being an assertive, educated patient is absolutely essential, perhaps even life-saving. ❤️
I'm going through that now. I've been having a lot of health issues that point to neurological issues but I can't get an MRI due to having metal in my head. Instead of trying other stuff doctors have just said it's psychosomatic. My primary care doctor actually put that she thinks I could have Munchausen Syndrome but I've deteriorated so much that now she believes me. She didn't tell me that. She put it in the notes so now any future doctors will see that. As soon as you're diagnosed with an mental things (for me it's anxiety) doctors automatically think of that and won't look into any other solutions because it's easier to label something as psychosomatic than to do the work to actually find out what is wrong.
@kayla68779 yup, I'm going thru the same right now. All the test my pcp has ran hasn't showed an results but she also admitted she doesn't know where to beging with me bc my pain/symptoms arents in one part of my body but all over....I also believe it's neurological and she's starting to think autoimmune luckily after my cardiologist ran some tests with all healthy results she listened to my list if complaints and referred me to a rheumatologist and pulmonary Dr, bc she thinks it's either MS or lupus - leaning more towards MS tho 😢
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Oh my gosh! You're going through the exact same thing as me. I've been in this loop where neurologists say it's not a primary neurological condition and every other doctor is saying it's clearly neurological. I had one neurologist who believed me but there wasn't much she could do because all of tests came back normal and I can't do an MRI. All of the sudden I was switched to a new neurologist at the same place so I don't know what happened with that. I recently had a Lupus panel blood work done and stuff came back as abnormal/positive. My ANA came back as abnormal but it's a weak positive. I have been having writhing like chorea and I had other bloodwork done while I was having that but there was a mixup and I had to do that one later when I wasn't having that. I think it would have been more abnormal if I had done when I was having the writhing. Nonetheless my PCD did refer me to a rheumatologist. It will take 3 months to even hear back about if they will take my case. I had an ANA done by the neurologist who believed me while I was writhing that was a high positive. She sent in a referral to a rheumatologist but the rheumatologist wanted a note from my PCD at the time (she retired) saying why I need it because they didn't want one from a specialist and she wouldn't write one because she was insistent that what I have is neurological. It's a mess and just a constant loop of nothing,
I have suffered from chronic pain and fatigue for nearly 20 years now BUT if you asked my family the various treatments and coping strategies I use or have used to try manage my conditions, they wouldn't be able to tell you much if anything. Sharing every aspect of an ongoing condition with other people feels like burdening them. If Gloria was using DSMO she may have simply kept it to herself for that reason.
Her family said she was very private about medical issues
For me, it's not the "burden", it's the fact that they feel the need to give an uninvited running commentary on everything I might consider much less actually TRY, without even bothering to ask my personal thoughts on the matter FIRST. I'm like....It's my damned body, piss off already. This isn't up for debate, ffs. I don't need Y'ALL's permission OR comprehension to do what I need to do. If I'd waited for that, I would've been dead decades ago. Fear of shame and ridicule is real, especially when it serves not one iota of positive results.
I can only speak for myself but I wouldn’t tell my close family about trying a DIY treatment that very well may not work.
Electricity was also needed for it to become a gas, not only the oxygen. But the electricity came from the doctors doing electro shock to her heart, trying to keep her alive.
So, it is even crazier, she used the de-greaser > oxygen mask was used on her > electro shock to her heart > gas.
Yes, that was the most likely explanation I have seen over the years. It was such an insane story!
i do not believe that last theory. mass hysteria will not make me fall down with muscle spasms.
Nor will it make me develop necrotic tissue in my knees.
Hysteria doesn’t make the blood cells in your knees become necrotic. Sounds like they were too lazy to look into it further and decided to blame the women and cover their own asses
"Maybe answered Andrew Tate and called it a day?" Oh, I see Petty University has opened early... I'm here for it 😂
They really said “have you considered the literal necrosis of your veins might just be stress? Ya know, because you’re a hysterical woman :)” and acted like that made sense 🤡 reminds me of the time a doctor tried to tell me a torn ligament my hand was just my imagination, or the time one tried to give me a Valium for anaphylaxis, or the time one tried to convince me nerve damage other doctors had already confirmed and even done surgery for was somehow psychosomatic all along
Avascular necrosis actually affects your bones, the “avascular” referring to the lack of blood supply to your bones, which causes them to die. I have it as a result of cancer treatment. So, yeah, agreed, def not a thing that is caused by anxiety.
@@hmneill ahh thank you for explaining, I totally misunderstood the wording, that makes sense
@@carmillaabadeer1123 for sure! also, sorry for what you went through!! It sucks to not be believed about what is happening to your own body! Hope you are well now! ❤️
When you learn about medical history, especially women's health I'm not surprised they tried to out a sexist option. Like they were actually suffering and they called them crazy wild af.
0:13 not gonna lie, the first thing I thought about was the toxic gossip train.
now im just imagining a ukulele playing in the hospital and idk how to think about that but lol
rip to the toxic lady, and well wishes to everyone harmed though ❤
The context was awful but it is an ear worm
Discover has a point. When I get Anxiety , my body parts start to decay as well. 🙃
Swoop, "Quick name a toxic person..."
Me, w/o hesitation starting before the rest of 'person' is said, "My mom!"
Swoop, beginning to list exes and bosses...
Me: :(
My therapist: D:
Mine is also my mom lol
Joining the toxic mom club too, unfortunately
Toxic mom club 🫡🫠
Me: iilluminaughtii. No question.
I said my dad!! Lol 😂.
The case of Gloria Ramirez has been solved. She was using a liquid on her body that she believed was helping her cancer. When it mixed with other agents it became toxic. Mr. Ballen tells the story in its entirety along with the breakdown of the exact chemicals that were present when she passed. Although it stumped many people for years, someone somewhere finally deciphered the symptoms along with the chemical she was applying to her skin and was able to successfully solve the case.
Thats where I originally heard this case.
Well I though another youtuber debunked Mr ballen
@@necroticdemonart it so hard to tell any more. I believed that Dougie guy and went south.
Although I like Mr. Ballen, he adds fake parts to the stories in order to make them more intriguing a lot of times. So, I wouldn't take his storytelling as factual. More like someone telling you the story over a campfire and spinning it in an entertaining way.
@@emeryltekutsu4357 thas what makes it fun. Hes a very entertaining story teller.
youtube has been dry as hell recently and i was just thinking yesterday how badly i needed a new swoop video🙏🏼
It’s crazy as a Canadian to understand what it must be like to get sick as an American.
Terrifying😭 especially if you don’t have insurance. Lots of people just don’t go to the doctor bc they don’t have insurance.
Depends where you live. I would assume in any major city, absolutely awful with equally awful charges. Where I am, they have different rates based on if you're insured or if you're paying out of pocket. Out of pocket is SIGNIFICANTLY reduced, but it's still a lot (had a $1,200 test done, didn't have insurance at the time so it got reduced to about $700). A lot of us understand the rates are what they are because all health insurance is private and pay doctors and their firms rates based on the amount of patients seen (therefore, they have a quota to meet). Prices are set to what those insurances agree to pay. None of that applies to any of the hospital stuff, who don't even show you prices until you've had your treatments, even if there was a cheaper hospital just a little further. All in all, it's a scam here.
Most of the time, we never go to the doctor in my experience. We have to tough it out if it’s nothing we deem “serious.” What “serious” means can range from person to person too
No kidding! I'm Canadian and a couple of years ago, my boyfriend and I visited Salem and I had such a good time there that he actually proposed the idea of living there, since I seemed to fit in so well. I immediately said no because the thought of getting sick or injured in America and then having to pay an arm and a leg just to get better is terrifying to me.
Unless you’ve felt the dread of being unable to afford care, the pain knowing you won’t get the help you need and you come to terms with the fact that money is valued over human life, you won’t get it.
Okay 1) my daughter went through chemo and bone marrow transplant and I know them chemicals are gnarly. Certain normal foods she would eat just a few bites of had odors coming out of her pores that I've never smelled before. I can't imagine mixing chemicals onto your skin if that was indeed the case. 2) men claiming mass female psychosis is so regressive and disappointing. It's still so hard to advocate for ourselves in modern times...why? WHY!?!?!
"how could her boyfriend not know?" remember "she was a private person" though
Swoopsie-Woopsie, I sincerely hope you have been able to find joy in recent days after being on rest for a bit. 💖✨
Absolutely.
Been so worried. Her community post is on my mind daily.
If this is not one of the pre recorded videos mentioned in that post, I will be most relieved and can put that loop in my head to rest (sort of).
Yes it definitely is pre recorded @@claudiabothma
I’ve never accepted the idea of mass delusion, hallucination or hysteria. From the old stories of the dancing plague to today’s story. If it sounds really counter-intuitive, that’s because it’s nonsense
The dancing plague was actually a real illness, a viral outbreak that spread to the brain and caused jerky dance-like movements. It was a case not dissimilar from Typhoid Mary in how it spread. There's also instances historically of recorded "laughter plagues" that were similarly born from highly-contagious sicknesses. We've not discovered everything that's out there in the world, so the potential for these things to be discovered exists even still to this day.
For the most part, mass health events are either linked to a literal pathogen being passed around, or its a case of social-plague (where the IDEA of an illness existing and spreading is 'made real' by people in a community becoming hysterically scared of having it). Mob-mentality is a hell of a thing and its known that a social group can infect itself with an idea and spread said idea. So, in fact, there are 'documented' historical cases of whole groups of people suffering unexplained hysterias and hallucinations for a number of reasons.
Not everything that's counter-intuitive is actually nonsense... sometimes, you're just not educated on the specifics. Medicine and historical cases in the field are not 'obvious' things. It's not "obvious" what's going on inside the human body, that's why it takes upwards of 10 years of post-secondary study just to get working as a medical professional. The amount of study involved in becoming a doctor is directly related to how complicated the actual subject of biology and physiology actually are.
Also, hysteria CAN be "transmitted" to others or shared... via mob-mentality. Ever seen one person screaming spook an entire crowd of people into panic and trampling others? Yeah, that's an example of mass hysteria that we've seen more than once today. A lot of the people in those hysterical crowds don't know why the crowd is panicking, they just know its time to panic for whatever reason, even if its just because the mob around them is frenzied.
@@bakaichigo exactly I agree with you. Also in the psychiatric world, even suicidal ideation is seen as "contagious" especially among teens.
The theory of mass hysteria for this case is so unbelievable for me. These are medical professionals who are trained to handle these situations. These aren’t typical people who would tweak out over this.
@@bakaichigolike the madness or hysteria in some villages went crazy, in those days people didn’t have that much of medical knowledge nor psychology. But they claimed they where bewitched or a spell was casts over them. There was a what we call now a doctor send by the landlord that didn’t want the disease spread to his family and that doctor found there was wheat moldy but due the fact the best wheats and grains went to the landlord and the farmers had do with was allowed or kept the miller still milled it they baked bread and that made people go crazy. It subsided afterwards. It has happened later on in history too, it seems when there’s failed crops and as result not enough or even now a days it can happen when wheat or other grain crops are moldy due to wet weather or humidity. It’s rare.
There is mass delusion it's just not seen in this sense, it's more like things like satanic panic or more recently believing in conspiracy theories or flat earthers. In Australia we had a bunch of girls fainting before they got their HPV vaccine, before they got the vaccine and then blaming it on the vaccine. That's mass hysteria. These nurses would never get mass hysteria can you imagine the crazy stuff they have seen. They have seen worse things than the Drs. It just wouldn't happen.
My older family still swears by DMSO. I used it once and it burned horribly never again. Ive been in the medical/psych field for 27yrs and Ive seen a ton of weird reactions that doctors say cant happen... yet they do. Mass hysteria is insulting. Thanks for covering this!
perfect, I was just about to start folding my laundry!
I should be but just realized I didn't start the dryer...
@@forevercandace714 better late than never !
Lmao! I love listening to these stories while I'm doing chores or getting ready. Problem is how many times I've poked my mascara brush in my eye from giggling.
@@Falconer22Eyeliner. Swoop caused me a major oops while applying. I love listening to her on long runs, as well as doing chores. I don’t follow many people online, don’t use social media (except YT - is this considered social media?), but I ❤️ my Swoop.
Hey, SWOOP. I realize you aren't actively posting on your own, but i do hope you are truly allowing yourself the grace and time necessary to heal. We love you, and I think I speak for many of us, when I say that you are constantly on my mind, and I believe that you are an incredible survivor. Sending love and consistent support💙
We used to use DMSO on horses legs when they were sore. Small amounts helped with inflammation. We used to always wear gloves because we heard it causes heart palpitations. Also, it stank. Like garlic and flowers. I think she probably used DMSO and it interacted with the chemo drugs and then the additional drugs they gave her. Also, was it only women affected? And were they all on birth control? I wonder if that had anything to do with it? But I’m not surprised that they cant exactly recreate it, the human body is it’s own ecosystem and there are so many factors from that night
That crazy theory isn't even logical. I'm a male nurse and there's a reason women are in the majority in this profession. When it comes to a balance of professional decision making, showing supportive humanity to others and most of all GETTING IT DONE, no one shows up like a woman. Maybe it's the brain wired to handle motherhood, maybe it's because by the time they're grownups they've had to go through way more then men. But women are all the metaphorical vital organs of the medical workspace.
ICU RN here also. I like that you referred to the metaphorical body. My husband and I often do that in reference to marriage, and say that the man is the brain and the woman is the heart. Both needed for life and to work together!
I must be old as hell because i vividly remember an episode of E.R. portraying this exact story. 😂
Grey's Anatomy did one too
I think it was also a basis for a Law and Order episode.
Did HOUSE also do one?
I think EVERY medical show has done a variation of this story x
You're not old for remembering this story. We're both old for remembering ER
I'm from the area and i know that a lot of parents were super wary of the hospital for years after. There were local rumors that the hospital was using medical bags to smuggle out meth ingredients and that staff accidentally used one of those bags instead of a proper medicine bag. Wild stuff
That's wild indeed 😮
Swoop, it is so cool to see your channel evolving and growing. The quality of video is really professional, your commentary has always been amazing, but it’s obvious that you’ve been putting in so much work to grow and evolve.
And this is why I refuse to go to Urgent Care! The first time I went, the male doctor said that I just had indigestion while listening to my heart. He literally had me laying down on the table with the gown pulled down to my waist and no bra on and told me to move my arm that was covering my breast. I was 16!! I cried afterwards. 10 or so years later I gave them another chance while getting a simple vaccination. They gave me the wrong Vaccination! The lady literally said she grabbed the wrong one! Nope! Never going back! 😭
I knew it was DMSO from the moment you said garlic smell. I have used it extensively with horses, it helps pull medications into the cells and bloodstream. I got so much on myself at that time 😬
I remember Gerys Anatomy had an episode (3.14) on this, a patient took an herbal suppliment and it reacted with the chemotherapy, the interns had to take turns with ppe to close the patient, after all the surgens collasped. Everyone who had contact with the vial of blood, inturns, nurses, lab techs, were sick.
my day gets better when I see swoop notifs... thank you for all the hardwork!!! hope you're resting and taking care of youself swoop🫧🫂♥️
YAAAAYY!! I just got a 3 and a half hour casual criminalist upload yesterday, and now this is as well! My weeks going great!
@freshcheesebag I said the same thing! Now I just need a Bailey, a Sherrilyn, a Mr Ballen and I'm in heaven!!!!! Oh, and a smosh pit to get the AITA CRAZY reddits just to make it fun!😂😂😂
I was a chemist working at a lab that shut down in the mid 1990s. We had to dispose of all sorts of solvents and reagents. My FIL told my husband to grab the 200 ml bottle of DMSO, which my husband used on his sore back. I can still remember the oily texture and thick smell of it. My husband died less than 2 years after that from rapidly growing cancer, at the age of 33. Maybe there was a connection. Who knows,?
sorry for your loss, r.i.p. mr suzannef3648
I had pancreatitis and was in hospital for a month with infections and a cyst, BUT HAVING THAT WITH ALL THOSE OTHER ILLNESS’?? I thought I was going to die on the dosages I was in because of the pain - I could not fathom any more than that. It opens a whole other view when you know the pain of a disease mentioned but then a whopping amount of others are thrown on, what brave people to keep working despite the fear 💯
This story was seriously baffling!! It breaks my heart that Rosie had to go through that as well as the hospital staff that got sick... Thank you Swoop for another awesome Suspool doc!!!!
I remember when it happened and everyone was like meh, that’s women for you. The ones saying it were not amused when I pointed out that there sure were a lot of women in critical positions in hospitals for mass hysteria to be a legitimate answer to something like this. Sounds like men should be the ones being nurses and emptying bedpans. Suddenly women in hospitals are fine.
Ingredients on everything wasn’t a thing yet. It’s very possible that Rosie was using a product that was not sold in stores. Something that women knew about and would bring back from Mexico or could get from a doctor who was making small batches of a 60s DMSO based treatment because it wouldn’t hurt, and there wasn’t a whole lot that could be done for late stage cancer in the 90s.
Rosie’s family wouldn’t know what to look for if someone asked them if she was using DMSO. That garlicky oil she got from her sister’s hairstylist wouldn’t register as something to tell anyone about. Also the family blamed the hospital for her death, so they’re not going to help them pin this on Rosie. I don’t blame them for not cooperating. Look how they treated their own nurses.
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I went to the hospital vomiting uncontrollably for days when I was 8. They were never able to diagnose it, so sometimes unexplainable stuff happens but I didn't die unlike that poor woman.
Fun fact, DMSO is also used a lot in biology labs as a negative control when treating cells and doing cell culture experiments in general
yeah we use it in labs where i work as a chromatography solvent and to get chemicals into solution.
it has a real smell to it, but not super recognisable if you're not used to it.
Realized in the first few minutes an episode of Grey's Anatomy in the first few seasons was based on Rosie down to the blood draw and smell thing too
lmao yes, the one after omalley marries callie in vegas and then thinks his sudden doubts is toxic women
I was looking for this comment
And there were definitely some ER episodes back in the 90s with this same storyline.
911: Lone Star did one in s1ep5. I think it's a right of passage at this point. 😅
Oh my God, I'd never heard about this case, that is WILD. Thanks so much for covering it, Swoop, and I hope you're being able to take time for your own healing. Sending love and light your way.
My mom was a resident working at that hospital that day, I still remember how in the dark we were about everything and how scared we were when we heard the story from her later.
This reminds me of the short “Stink Bomb”.
A Japanese man took an experimental pill because he had a cold. He takes a nap only to notice that all of his coworkers in the building had collapsed.
Meanwhile the Japanese and US government and military were trying to figure it out.
Miss ya Swoop, hope you're having an extra happy day today,sending you love and warm wishes from a stranger who knows how long it can take to feel ok again❤ if you are alive, you are winning. Take all the small wins as a nod that the universe is conspiring to make you happy
Sending you love
I hope Swoop and team are doing well sending you all love ❤
Not me searching “channels like SWOOP” yesterday because I’ve been missing your face…and here you are! You should cover the Circleville Letters.
I REMEMBER THIS! I live in Riverside and it’s so wild. I was hoping someone would bring more attention to her story!!!!
I remember this from when I was in high school. That poor lady had crystals forming in her tear ducts and coming out of her eyes.
Same. I think they finally linked it to dmso toxicity. She must have been using a lot of it, I won't touch it because I've heard it does weird things with taste and it's easy to overdo it but I've seen it still used in veterinary practice for horses. The defibrillator probably caused it to crystallize through chemical reaction and show up through her tear ducts and lab work.
Hey Swoop! I hope you are doing ok, and that you are healing in the way you need to 🥺🥺🥺
I mean the one woman was in the ICU for 14 days and had bone necrosis. you can't hysteria yourself into your bone dying.
Can I just say, no matter which channel you post on Swoop, you always brighten my day and fulfill my curiosity with any thing and everything you create.
Thank you so so much for being so detailed and creative, we all love you here. ❤
It's great to see you again. Sending all the positive thoughts I can your way!
Am I losing it? I thought her name was Gloria Ramirez. And the woman who got sick was Julia Gorchinski?
Right when I even look up the story it’s Gloria maybe swoop changed the names for privacy reasons?
@@TheCoryrms94Maybe, but there’s several videos saying the names. It just seems a bit weird
I thought so lol i figured i was just remembering wrong
She changed the names in the story for privacy. She mentions this in the beginning of the video 0:03
The area where she died has a lot of problems with meth (or did). One of the theories is the hospital had members of the staff involved in drug trafficking and using methylamine for meth production. They accidentally gave her a tainted IV bag, which would explain the smell and the sudden illness of the staff around her. She also had a high amount of nicotinamide in her organs, an ingredient commonly mixed with street drugs.
Am I weird for constantly checking my yt feed for new swoop every day? And then when there are new videos, I click like first, then I watch. 😂 Worth it every time. Been following Spankie for 10 years, and she never disappoints.😊😊😊
Thanks For all your hardwork! Its always appreciated 😊😊😊😊
I work right down the street from the Hospital this happened at. This case still gets me.
Welcome back girl! Love your content ❤❤❤❤
It’s incredible to see such kindness and love. Thank you all!
I genuinely thought this was Gloria Ramirez? Am I gaslighting myself?
Swoop has put quite clearly on screen at the start that she chose to change some names for privacy even though the real names are out there if you look it up, so nope, you're not going mad :)
@@ellietaylor6940 thank yooouuuu I stopped doing my makeup to comment I thought I went into a Mandela universe 😂
@@ellietaylor6940wasn't trying to be obtuse, I did try to check the description for a disclaimer like that but didn't see anything 😅
@@taradactyl042 Haha, happens to us all - i was familiar with the story so if i hadn't been looking at the screen I think I'd have had the same "wait a minute" moment 😂
Hope you’re doing well Swoop!
Thanks to the team for the uploads!!
I’m in remission from stage 4 cervical cancer. I’m a medical miracle. This has been a tough watch
So excited to see you cover this!
I get so excited when there's a new Swoop video here or on the main channel! The work day goes by so much faster because I get so enthralled in the story that before I know it it's time to head home!
Thanks for another interesting trip & I know we're all thrilled that you're feeling better enough to come back 🎉
Loving the moon background it compliments your style!
My day just got a million times better after seeing the new Swoop upload! Thank you for everything and hope you're taking care of yourself Swoop! ❤
As someone who lived in Salisbury and worked in the hospital during the novichok poisonings, it sounds alarmingly similar. The oily substance, the neurological problems, especially the autonomic systems like breathing, temperature regulation etc
Yay! Swoop posted! I've heard about this story! It's crazy!
We love you swoop, hope things are looking up ❤️⭐️
That is insanity! Thank you for posting on this! Sending you well wishes dear❤ we're glad to see you again.
Sending big hugs to Swoop! I hope you’re feeling better.
Girl I’ve been watching for you for weeks!!! I’m so pumped right now! 🎉🥳🤩
Swoop!! So glad to see you back, I hope you’re taking care of yourself and doing better. I hope you know how much we care and how much of an impact you’ve made on so many people’s lives. Please continue to take care of yourself :)
So happy to see Swoop back! Been worried
THIS JUST MADE MY DAY ❤ Love you Swoop!!!!
Hi Swoop and team, hope every one/thing is well! Love y'all, always grateful! Love and light to all. ❤
ily swoop youve been my go to youtuber for bedtime content for the past couple months since i discovered you❤ thank you for being you
Thank you for all your hard work! I hope you're doing well and get the rest and healing you need. Remember you have a lot of people who support you!!
I only found you several months ago, but I can't get enough of the way you tell it I your docs and stories! Missed you Swoop, I hope you are doing well! ❤️
Thank you for the chapter titles!! 🙏
yesssss, i needed a new swoop too vid today
My toxicology professor brought this case to class and spent most of the time ripping apart "the mass hysteria theory" because nurses know how to deal with stress and backing the DMSO theory because DMSO + Oxygen = DMSO2 + heat from defibrillator = DMSO4 (a highly toxic ester that causes: severe dermal burns, headache and giddiness, changes in vision, lacrimation (tearing), photophobia, cough, difficulty in breathing, nausea, vomiting, seizures, paralysis, delirium, and coma). At the end of class, we were parted with this question. "Who would admit to giving Gloria DMSO after that was the main suspect of her death?"
Yassssss swoop! I’m so excited!
Hello Swoop. I hope you are feeling much better. I have been thinking about & praying for you since that heartfelt message you sent us. Please take all the time you need. We do miss you, however we also want a fully happy & healthy Swoop. Big hugs to you. Jane in New Zealand 🇬🇧🇳🇿
So glad to see you back. Hope you are doing well swoop ❤
This was fun and so intriguing. Always looking for a new swoop video!