The Truth about Vatican II and the Charismatic Renewal
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- In recent years, there have been various critiques of both Vatican II and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. These critiques have varied greatly in quality and seriousness. In this video, Dr. Ralph Martin, Dr. Mary Healy, Peter Herbeck, and Pete Burak explain why both Vatican II and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal are true works of the Holy Spirit for our time.
Resources to assist in digging deeper into the history of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and/or mentioned in this video:
• “Fanning the Flame: What Does Baptism in the Holy Spirit Have to Do with Christian Initiation?” | Kilian McDonnell, OSB and George Montague: a.co/d/1yIvoyo
• “Guidelines on Prayers for Healing” | International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services Doctrinal Commission: www.charis.int...
• “Clothed with Power from On High: A Short Catechesis on Charisms in the Life and Mission of the Church” | Bishop Scott McCaig, CC: a.co/d/2XYMc8Q
• “A New Pentecost” | Ralph Martin: www.renewalmin...
• “Welcome the Spiritual Gifts” | Peter Herbeck: www.renewalmin...
• “Charisms and Charismatic Renewal: A Biblical and Theological Study” | Francis A. Sullivan, SJ: a.co/d/eBsZ6Ze
• “Christian Initiation and Baptism in the Holy Spirit: Evidence from the First Eight Centuries” | Kilian McDonnell, OSB and George Montague: a.co/d/622fOdX
• “Baptism in the Holy Spirit” | International Catholic Charismatic Renewal Services Doctrinal Commission: a.co/d/9XWAqL4
• “Movements in the Church” | Pontifical Council for the Laity: www.laici.va/co...
• “Then Peter Stood Up… 50 Years of Messages from the Popes to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal from Its Beginnings to the Jubilee” | Compiled by Oreste Pesare: dev-iccrswp.da...
• "The New Pagans and the Church: A 1958 Lecture by Joseph Ratzinger": www.hprweb.com...
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I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. Went to 12 years of Catholic School. I fell away as a young adult and came to a point where I said to myself what am I doing? I need to get back on the right path. I actually fell on my knees in my living room and cried out to Jesus. He met me right there in that room. I knew nothing about Charismatic Renewal at that point , but had a absolute hunger to read the Bible. I was so hungry for all I found in God's Word. I couldn't get enough of it. My Mom always kept a family Bible on the coffee table , but we kids were not allowed to touch it and I never saw y parents open it. So devouring the Bible was so new to me. I was invited to a Charismatic Prayer Meeting by a Nun from my parish I had joined and at my first encounter I found myself saying , these people love Jesus like I do. Went on to take part in the Life in the Spirit program and my life has never been the same since. I thank God that He directed me to the Renewal. Praise His Holy Name , now and forever.
I am a formerly ordained Pentecostal minister. I got out of ministry for various unrelated reasons to my statement here. I know God opened my eyes to the Catholic faith. I am unlearning a lot of my protestant long held beliefs. I saw firsthand a lot of abuses especially with "prophecy" and "tongues". I am trying to read and devour the history of the Catholic Church. All I hear from others about charismatic gifts from traditionally leaning Catholics (I consider myself now a conservative, traditional leaning Catholic) is that the Fathers are against it. At around the 37/ 38-minute mark, Dr Healy, you mention that Charisms have been throughout our history. Please give us citations. I have been around Brownsville and Rodney Howard Brown and my training was from Rhema Bible School, I want nothing at all anymore to do with those manifestations. I want the reality. So much of what I saw and participated in was straight fleshly. My fear is that Catholics are learning from them.
I thank God for my Protestant friend who tried to convert me to her way of thinking. It made me so hungry to learn about my Catholic Faith and the Lord made Himself present in such a powerful way in 1992. Everything you spoke about is true. 🕊❤️
I was apart of the Curillo movement and attended many Charismatic prayer groups. Very disappointed with many who were involved. They were very judgmental, opinionated about my faith journey. They criticized me for praying the rosary and having a devotional life to the saints. I was very uncomfortable when they laid hands on me and started to speak in tongues over me, which I could not understand a word. Please don’t judge, which many did and do because I don’t “live in the spirit” for I do love Our Lord and his Blessed Mother and his Holy Catholic Church.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry for the discomfort, pain, and hurt you have experienced. Being near to our Lord and his Blessed Mother and the Holy Catholic Church is very precious and I am so glad you hold them close. You are in my prayers.
I’m sorry also that you had such a bad experience.
Unfortunately people often get a hold of beautiful, wonderful things and mess them up and ruin them for others.
The real Holy Spirit will come into a person without any of that hoop de do.
The Holy Spirit will come when you ask him and beg him and crave him and talk to him and seek him he will come.
The more you do it the more he will come. And that will change your life.
Don’t give up just because of those crazy people that didn’t understand.
It’s OK there’s a lot of disagreeable people out there and we can’t let them bother us
…because our core relationship is only with the Lord Jesus.
And Jesus loves you so so much.
I hope everything is better for you now.
But just ask the Holy Spirit personally to come into your heart and you and He will have your special relationship.
God bless you!
Any Catholic Charismatic that criticises or frowns at the praying of the Holy Rosary, Devotion to Our Lady or the Saints doesn't represent the true Charismatic & is himself uninformed
Thank you for your prayers, I will be praying for you as well.
Sounds like you live in the Holy Spirit 🙌
I had a personal encountered with Jésus through the charismatic renewal 48 years ago, it changed my life
I was soo upset in recent weeks hearing attacks on the renewal and debunking the gift of praying in tongues, even by a prominent Catholic priest. I am 81 yrs old and my life would NEVER have been one leading me by grace in the Holy Spirit, for almost 50 years. The enemy is attacking on ALL sides of the faith. Thank you, Ralph, for remaining steadfast in the Holy Spirit and continuing to teach the truth. By their fruits you shall know them
Thank you. I am not in the Charismatic Movement but my parents were and were helped a lot by it. I saw my Father quit drinking cold turkey after 40+ years of alcohol abuse and then apologizing publicly to my Mother. If you knew my Father you would know that this had to be the Spirit of the Lord. I don’t get the negativity on the part of some Catholics who have been attacking the Charismatic Renewal.
Thank you. This video has confirmed in my spirit what God has been speaking to my heart for a very long time. I am a convert to the Catholic faith (10 years) from a Pentecostal denomination (52 years of my life). I am so hungry for more of the Holy Spirit in my life, and an outpouring of the Spirit in the parishes in my County (only 2 Catholic parishes). Please pray for for Baptism in the Holy Spirit in all parishes in South Carolina.
I graduated from Franciscan University last year (2023). My final semester at Franciscan, I attended their Born of the Spirit Retreat and since then I feel as if the Holy Spirit has been ever more present in my life. I feel more draw to live in the Will of God for me and also feel as closer relationship than ever before with Mary, St. Joseph, and any saint for which I feel drawn to. I haven't experienced any of the Charismatic gifts, but I feel like I have received an increase of the gift of wisdom since attending that retreat.
Please invite the popular scholars you dispute concerning the charismatic renewal, speaking in "tongues", Bergolio, Vatican 2, etc, Modernism and have a good debate concerning Truth.
Thank you for this well needed message with clarity and biblical truth!
I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in 1974! I never read the Bible and afterwards I couldn’t stop! I knew it was God’s Grace, It lead me to repentance and transformed me !
I pray for another outpouring upon me and our church!
Come Holy Spirit, Come, breathe on us and enkindle in our hearts the fire 🔥 of your love!
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Received the baptism of the Holy Spirit just last year. I instantaneously fell in love with Praising God and connecting with him in deeper prayer and reading.
It is real, and it is God.
As one of the “millions” moved by the Holy Spirit, I pray that this video reaches and touches millions and millions more.
Amen, it just did.
Thank you so much!!! Thank you thank you thank. My husband and I actually came INTO the church through the renewal, it completely changed the trajectory of our Christian lives as such a strengthening component. Praying for y’all!!
Thank you! Definitely a timely discussion. I couldn’t help but think of St. Ignatius’ Rules for the Discernment of Spirits as a wonderful gift to the church. How can we recognize the Holy Spirit?
a) When we find ourselves so on fire with the love of God that we can freely give ourselves over to God and there is no competition with any human person or created thing…
b) When we are saddened, even to the point of tears, for our infidelity to God but at the same time thankful to know God as Savior…
c) When we find our life of faith, hope, and love so strengthened and emboldened that the joy of serving God is foremost in our life…
Come Holy Spirit!
@jvmccraken Thanks for enlightening me on this in a very simple and precise manner!
I was hoping you would come forward with a presentation in response to all the negativity with regards to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. Excellent "round table" discussion addressing pertinent points. The Charismatic Movement in the our Church brought my faith alive in Jesus! I had a profound "baptism in the Spirit"....an encounter with Christ! From that moment onwards I hungered for the Eucharist and scripture and anything having to do with our Lord. That was 20 years ago and I never looked back! Praise God! Thank you and God bless your ministry!
I experienced something very similar although I am still young nearing my 30s. I lived totally away from God and the Catholic Church, was into rock & metal music, during my high school I started to drink, smoke, do drugs, chase after girls, party a lot, was cursing, was addicted to pornography and video games since I was very young then as I went to college I started to gamble and dabbed into the New Age and the occult. I was totally lost and words can't do justice what torment I had to go through as I was slowly returning to God and back to the Catholic Church and it was exactly through the prayers from our Catholic priests who used the gifts of the Holy Spirit that the same Holy Spirit that I received through the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation made it possible for me to open myself up to God and His Spirit as He lead me through deliverance and also into a Catholic Charismatic Community where I experienced freedom through prayer and now I am playing guitar and singing for God and learning more and more about the rich faith that we have as Catholics, it has been a blessing and I truly wish more young people would experience that, encounter with the living God who loves us! God bless you and all that are reading!
Praise God
Angry Catholics can say what they wish but they are blinded by their ignorance. I know what I have experienced with the Holy Spirit. I know the miracles I have seen and taken part in. I know how my relationship with Jesus has grown so much deeper. I love the Latin Mass as well as the Novus Ordo. As long as there is a valid Eucharist I'm good. I pray for them all, they are missing out big.
I too had a personal encounter through the Charismatic Renewal. However, we had a new group of Catholics influence my group with New Age practices. When I pointed these practices out and provided a Book by Moira Noonan on the New Age practices I was told I was Judgmental. Yoga and ESP should not be part of any Renewal. I was kicked out and I m happy with that!
Y’all, thank you SO MUCH for putting this video out. I just finished Year 1 in Encounter School of Ministry and I am in love with the Third Person of the Trinity in a new way that has TRANSFORMED my soul. A renewal of the mind, if you will.
I love learning about our faith and I peruse TH-cam for Catholic content. I have had to discern a lot of videos and the Holy Spirit has been leading me to ones that lift me up, give me His Good knowledge for my gift that he has given me in teaching others.
When we check these various Catholic and “Catholic” videos, we must ask the Holy Spirit to show us the Truth in everything we see and hear. When I saw this video I felt peace. Truly!
I have been viewing Kennedy Hall's channel and he has been saying some things that hit my gut hard, like I couldn't keep watching. The doubt hit me then and i pushed back so hard "be gone spirit of doubt" and then I fins this video. So, thanks again. The Lord is spreading His Encounter missionaries far, wide, rapidly and ON FIRE! ❤️🔥🕊️🙏🏼😎
Thank you all for this. There are a lot of attacks being waged against us and the Holy Spirit today.
I agree 👍 Fred
I’m not very familiar with the charismatic renewal, I usually attend TLM but I love Ralph, what a joy he brings to many. I really am a fan of his. God bless him and his family. Him and Scott Hahn are my favorites. Thank you Renewal Ministries!
Thank you for your kind words!
Awesome! We all need to come alive in Jesus Christ. Come Holy Spirit 🔥 I'll be going to Encounter Confrence this year. More Lord, more 🙏
I needed this right now. I have been taught and ministered to by these Renewal leaders of the Catholic Church for so many years now and I have been hearing so much negativity about Catholic Charismatics lately that I was on such need to hear from all of you precious Charismatic leaders. It is definitely an answer to my prayers these days asking God to have these leaders speak about these things.
God bless you for all that you do! I’m a practicing Catholic and have been beyond blessed to be part of the Catholic charismatic renewal! I have met some of the most beautiful Catholics who truly practice what they preach and take the catholic faith very seriously. It’s sad I see so much negativity about the charismatic renewal within the Catholic Church but I’m beyond blessed to be part of it. Praise God!
I praise God for the Charismatic Renewal that transformed my life almost 50 years ago when I took a Life in the Spirit seminar and was baptized in the spirit.. And I thank God for Renewal Ministries and their consistent proclamation of the truth. This was excellent.
As a lay person I believe the question is more about speaking in Tongues. It appears if one speaks in Tongues it is supposed to mean the disciples received the Language they needed to know in order to teach the Gospels. I don’t know what Tongues speak today if no one says what they’re speaking 🤷🏻♀️✌🏼🙏
Thank you for this question! If you haven't listened to the whole video yet, we recommend checking out this portion th-cam.com/video/0eO93ghw8Mg/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared&t=5013 where this is discussed in detail! Hope this is helpful. God bless you!
Having a personal relationship with Jesus is the key!
Thank you for a video about the Holy Spirit and the Charismatic Renewal! I have looked for a video from Renewal Ministries for a long time with teaching about the Holy Spirit. Catholic Charismatics are in need of solid teaching videos, with other Catholics saying the Renewal is not essential, and is a part of the the sham Vatican II Council. We need more Spirit filled videos to help people grow in the Spirit in this age.
Do glad you are responding yo these people. I could not believe their arrogance.
God bless you all.
I saw so many came back to the Faith and are still faithful to this day, 50 years later.
Thanks! Praising God for 50 years walking with the Lord in Catholic Charismatic Renewal!
Perhaps one of the reasons there seem to be so many recent objections to this glorious outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the Church is that we have grown lethargic in our zeal to evangelize.
Come, Holy Spirit, empower us to preach the Word with holy boldness!
Such CONFUSING times!
Division
One side against another
It’s a wonder that we are all still catholic!
Don’t know what to believe anymore!
🙏🏼😢🙏🏼
Close you ears to the "noise".
Prayer, fasting, confession, receiving Holy Communion in a state of grace, reading the Bible daily. Any who do that are on the right path.
God bless you 🙏
Trust The Pope with The Magisterium.
One of the most brilliant videos Renewal Ministries has ever done imho!
Wow! Fantastic! Praise Jesus! Come Holy Spirit! More, more, more.... Thank you, Heavenly Father.💖🙏🕊✝
In a sense, I hate to have to call myself "Protestant", since I ONLY consider myself a disciple of Christ, discipled by such things as Watchman Nee sermons and continuing fellowship with the Father. I first encountered Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the early 80's when there was a rally here at Sacramento's Memorial Auditorium which I took a Catholic co-worker to (and the last I knew she was saying she no longer believed in God - her husband is a non-believer). After that, I picked up a few books, I gained from, by Sr. Ann Shields and have followed the movement since. But, isn't the question today "Where is TODAY's Vatican?" Though I can see the value to addressing FOUNDATIONS in Vatican II which, I expect, was rooted in GENUINE historical Catholicism? MY own goal is unity across the entire global Body of Christ, in the Cross and Resurrection and RETURN of Christ, leaving conflicts over other doctrines behind FOR that purpose. IF we agree on Christ and Trinity, CAN we avoid conflict and get about lifting up the Savior to the World, each in the way we are individually gifted to do? I have known very sincere Catholics who have been especially reluctant to have any engagement WITH Protestants. And I have ONE Catholic friend who has been special fellowship for me. I appreciate the comparatively rigorous practical theological discipline of Catholics in contrast with many of the Protestant denominations. But theology at that level has never been my interest. Meaning, I rarely am able to 'sit through' some complex, in greater depth discussions. But may God bless your efforts to be His servants more faithfully!
Thank you very much for this great video. As others have said, you expressed so much of what I believe and have observed over my 75 years. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for all you share here. Many things are clarified in my heart! May we all continued to be blessed by the Holt Spirit! Thanks!!! 🎉🎉🎉
thank you so much for this video. I was very saddened to hear about attacks on the charismatic Renewal. I am a cradle catholic and was away from church for years. Very thankful I was gradually brought back by our Lord and now I would consider myself a more traditional catholic but I have experienced the Charismatic renewal and that was instrumental in my return. When I listen to those who are attacking they are very disingenuous. Of course there is discernment that takes place with this gift of tongues for instance ..but it was very deceptive the way it was spoken of in my opinion. Would I allow Dr Ralph Martin or Dr. Mary Healy just as an example...to pray over me ...of course! you are all so very humble and charitable in your response. Unlike the ones who are trying to discredit. It is very sad to see for sure. I used to listen to them regularly and now I am not. Anyone trying to divide the church even more is not worth my time.
Thank you for this excellent presentation of baptism in the Holy Spirit and the essential role of living in the power of the Holy Spirit for personal holiness and to fulfill our call to mission for evangelization and service using charisms, and the current of grace promulgated through the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. Come, Holy Spirit! Ron R.
You addressed so many of the same issues others have brought up in conversation! You all answered so eloquently the questions so many people have! Thanks for the information on the 3 ways of talking in tongues! I can speak more confidently about the outpouring of the Holy Spirit now! Thanks!!
Magnificent 'round table' discussion on relevant topics concerning CCR.
This is helping me grow in my understanding of the Renewal. Great depth, as you respond to the 'criticism' of CCR.
KEEP ON preaching and teaching.
I share a lot of information that I get from Renewal Ministries with our CC Prayer Group.
God Bless!
Deacon Norbert
Great topic. I love Dr. Healy’s comment on overemphasis of externals.
Fabulous discussion! As one who grew up pre-Vat II (I was a teenager when Vat II took effect), I can tell you that all you say is true! It was NOT the panacea that some think. Vat II, although abused by some, was absolutely good for all!!
I want to thank you for clearing up much confusion. May God Bless you all!
Thank you for this balanced, Scriptural, and Magisterial defense of the Charismatic Renewal. Those who use isolated examples of immature or troubling behaviors to demonize the entire Charismatic Renewal make a weak argument. The use of short, out of context video clips to make a broad conclusion is also weak. Maybe just using that for click bait? I fell for it and watched that video. It was disturbing to hear such accusations, but not surprising given the prideful attitudes of our modern "pharisees". Again, thank you all for addressing this in a respectful and balanced manner. God bless you! Come Holy Spirit!
This is wonderful! 😊 I enjoyed the love and clarity of each member in the panel, especially Dr Healy's grasp on theology and the careful guidance of all on particular points.
Thank you all and please continue this discussion in future video.
God bless! 🙏✝️❤️
Totally agree about over intellectualism.
Jesus said if anyone is thirsty come to me and drink ( not just think) John 7:37-39
This was so informative, clarifying & uplifting. Thank you, thank you! This world & the Catholic Church is so blessed by the 4 of you and I will remain forever grateful to God & the Catholic Way Bible Study for introducing me to Renewal Ministries over 13 years ago. It has been life changing!
The Evil One is using Catholic people to ensnare and divide other Catholics. How can we read the Acts of the Apostles and consider that joyous and a real action of the Holy Spirit as not appropriate for our day? Catholics should stop being afraid that other movements are not of God. Who are they to decide? The Church has spoken on the Charismatic movement.
Thank you thank you! Had it not been for this movement of Grace, we would probably not have come back to the church let alone remain Catholic. In 1975 I came alive followed by my soon to be husband in 1977. This truly was an act of God we both had our own “illumination of conscience” down on our faces in repentance asking Gods forgiveness and asking Jesus to come into our lives in a deeper fuller way. We have not been the same since. Thank you Jesus for your Holy Spirit🔥❤️🔥🔥
Thank you for putting this video out and for all you do. God truly works through you. Renewal Ministries has always held fast to the truth of the Catholic faith.
Excellent! More please and thank you🙏
Judy🌞
Absolutely perfect response to any objections or questions about what the Holy Spirit is doing in His creation today! I so appreciate how each of your gifts complement each other in this wonderful presentation. So inspiring! I'm so happy the Lord led me to support your ministry as a partner. Where evil abounds Gods Grace abounds even MORE!! He has so much more to share with us. Let us praise Him together 🙏🕊️🔥❤️🔥
This video was excellently done. It hit all the points that have been attacked from the persecuting ignorant Catholics.
I'm glad to hear Peter is Vice President of Renewal Ministries.
Love the Blessed Mother! Never, ever let go of her guiding hand that will lead us to Jesus. Pray as never before - especially the Rosary (daily) for her intentions. Love her!
Thank you for this great video. As others have said, you verbalized so much of what I believe and have observed. Thanks again.
Thank you! So needed and I think continuing segments is necessary. Christ’s Peace and Blessings.
Thank you! thank you! This was and is so needed. God bless you all. 🙏👏🫶
Thank you for this response. After briefly viewing one of the attack videos all I could comment was “ignorance”.
I've been surprised by this recent pile-on of criticism and disdain by traditionalists of the Catholic charismatic renewal. What is driving that? It's not clear to me what the threat is. My husband is Protestant and I really benefit from accompanying him to his church. I love the fervent praise through music and the beautiful times of corporate prayer. I'm a faithful, active Catholic who has been blessed by opening my heart to the Lord wherever He is active.
Thanks for this clear and timely response.
Yes, thank you for doing this video. Looking forward to more. Bless you all.
Also, a shout out to Ralph Martin for mentioning St. Vincent Ferrer, who is one of my favorites. He did speak only in Spanish, and yet he was understood by everyone in their own language.
Thank you so much for this podcast. I too saw the anti charismatic/ gifts of the Holy Spirit podcasts. They upset me terribly, i knew they were wrong! A direct encounter with the Holy Spirit in 1990 changed my life forever. He kept me in the Carholic Church. Again thank you!!!
I made a cusillo 4 years after I got involved in charismatic renewal when,they found out I was there they had a fit and called me aside and told me not heal anyone or do anything very weird inspite of,all this and being made to feel very unwelcome, I, still had a very powerful experience of the Holy Spirit we should have been united not divided
Thank you for this history and insight. Great discussion!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Praise God!!!
Wonderful absolute wonderful- so biblically correct and so necessary to bring authentic catholic teaching
The Charismatic renewal has been pivotal in drawing many fallen away Catholics back to The Faith.
Excellent talk! I too was dismayed by the negative videos against the charismatic movement and then against Medjugorje. Thank you for your faithful witness and sound teaching!
Thank-you so mutch for this very great and much needed talk 😊
Franciscan University of Steubenville is also a beautiful blend of the Charismatic and Traditional Worship.
Excellent! Thank you all so much! These explanations are very needed in the church today. God bless you!
Thank you Dr. Martin - I was so tired of hearing the bashing of the Charismatic Renewal - I was hoping you would address this issue.
Blessings to you all
Thank you so much for addressing these topics. I, too, have been hearing a lot of judgment toward the Mass and Vatican II. I appreciate your explanations. Bless you!
Thank you. It brought me to tears
Life in the Spirit and the Enthronement of the Sacred Heart led me to daily Mass and Bible Studies. Thank you Jesus.
Oh boy! Is your video discussion a breath of fresh air. Thank you ! 💗! so much for pointing out the correct discernment and in-depth discussion of the beauty of Charismatic renewal. Dr. Mary Healey's deep dive explanations are awesome. I did my Cursillo over a decade ago and was part of our charismatic praise and worship group at church and did Life in the Spirit training along side with quiet contemplative rosary groups. I also became a Contemplative 3rd Order Lay Carmelite with a vocation towards cloistered religious life. I have loved the reverence of both the TLM with contemplative, solitude and Gregorian chants and also the praise and worship healing masses. The ministry of deliverance in prayer after a charismatic mass is an incredible healing experience. I have been able to balance both in my life in keeping "Christo-centered". The evil one doesn't like Latin masses nor the clapping, singing and praising exalting Jesus. He does prowl like a lion wanting to devour souls into perdition. I live in France now where there is more of an acceptance of charismatic prayer groups within the few Catholic areas in this sadly secular country. Here so many more Catholic youths are now being drawn by the Holy Spirit to asking for Confirmations and Baptisms at our masses at the Cathedral and this is so encouraging to see this. My church friends and I attend daily mass and we find the supportive community spirit in our praise and worship I sadly see the division within the laity now and the hatred being spewed by the radtrad laity leaders on line in these videos all of a sudden. This to me is what feels demonic .I now see the division even from my friends back home which is shocking but should not be surprising. (OL of Akita and OL of Good Success prophesies coming true of clergy against each other from the top down and now attacking the faithful laity) and I choose not to get into this hateful division..not even to explore out of curiosity . There is also hateful spewing of approved saint writings around the Divine Will and Divine Mercy. I see the devil is getting desperate. and is cunning but running out of options. I trust Jesus in my discernment through the Holy Spirit. Again thankyou Renewed Ministries for your sane, balanced and comforting discernment with all the scriptural references in place..and please continue this discussion so needed. There is room for all of us at the Table of the Banquet of the Lord.Jesus in the end is Victorious. Triumphant Immaculate Heart of Mary Mother of God along with her spouse the Holy Spirit, send down your graces, love and protection and help unify your One Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church. As for us, stay in the Barque of Peter and keep your eye on the Prize by being faithful remnants.
Thank you for doing this video.
Amazing, thank you so much, as always, Renewal Ministries! Very informative, and edifying, especially near the end when Dr. Healy was talking about Christianity is not Stoicism, and the Psalms exude so much good human emotion in the prayers, and how this is an integral part of a person's life of faith.
This was great. Thank you so much! 🙏
Thank you for doing this video and topic
Last week I saw a video on TH-cam in which the man said that the baptism in the Holy Spirit is not real. Poor man. I think he is just caught up in traditional pharisee ism. I experienced the baptism and the Holy Spirit in 1975 and I’m still going strong. Praise Jesus! Hallelujah! Oh, by the way, the gift of tones is absolutely real. My son spoken tongues to his iPhone, and it immediately translated it from Arabic. What he said was,” not my will, but they will be done.” I don’t think the iPhone was overcome with emotionalism. The gift of tongues is real.
EXACTLY what we needed to hear!. BOLDLY proclaim the Gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT!!
Thank for covering this topic! The last week or two I have been bombarded with videos attacking the Charismatic Renewal. This video help fortify my faith.
I experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit 42 years ago. It's the real deal. The discussion was very well done. I've supported Renewal ministries since 1985, first as a single person then after I was married in 2000. Great investment! Jesus is Lord.
Thank you so much for standing up and speaking on the Charismatic Movement in the Church. The recent criticism of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit has brought dissension to the Church. We need your strong voices from your Church studies and experience. I realize I need to listen to you more - and be more discerning as to whom I follow online. Thank you!
Thank you renewal ministry for say something for charismatic renewal was a life saver and gives me hope.
Thanks so much for this. I went on a Cursillo decades ago but...that was it. This episode really helped round-out my understanding of Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
We all need both the charismatic renewal and Vatican 2 in order for the whole world to be at peace and filled with joy
Thank you all for your wonderful response to some very misinformed attacks on the Charismatic Renewal. As always ignorance breeds contempt. I am praying for many more of our brothers and sisters to experience an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in their own lives and the lives of their families. Keep up the amazing work and the provision of so many resources. 👏👏🙏🙏🙏
Excellent and much needed. Those negative videos that have been put out recently really threw me. This has restored my balance.
Ive shared this with my loved ones. It is truth!!!
Three of my favorite speakers! This was great! Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom! ❤❤❤
In the early 70's, at the beginnings of the movement of the Holy Spirit who graced peoples lives, which was the beginning of the Charismatic Renewal, many Catholic priests ridiculed these graced people. The ridicule of these Catholic priests, not all of course, has continued to the present.
In the late 70's we were fortunate to have a Spanish priest in our parish who encouraged us to move from meeting in our homes to meeting the parish hall. His welcome allowed the charismatics in our small town to flourish. As time went by many in this movement went on to various parish ministries. There were a few from these groups who left the Catholic Church by espousing the erroneous and varied Protestant denominations. But overall most of the charismatics matured in the Catholic faith and bore much fruit.
My observation of the priests who over the years talked down to and about the charismatics, from the pulpit, have not and do not exhibit joy to their parishioners. May God open their eyes and bless them.
But, our Almighty God has abundantly blessed us over the years. For this we are most grateful. Blessed is His Holy Name! Blessed is He in His church. This post is by Abel, Vicki's husband.
Thank you for such a wonderfully enlightening discussion. I have lived half a century and only did the Life in the Spirit seminars in recent weeks. I have this yearning in me for a deep connection with the Holy Spirit. I feel like a bird flying on one wing, like I need more. Sometimes I chastise myself for being greedy or looking for this 'something more'. When Ralph prayed at the end I was overcome with yearning. Come Holy Spirit... I am in need of You.
I was a teenager during Vatican 2. I have told my son who is a liturgist that I could never go back to what it was like for me in the pre-Vatican 2 Church. He tells me that several people my age in his parish have told him that as well. For me, at least, it was legalistic and a ripe environment for scruples. In The Peasant of the Garonne by Jacques Maritan there is a chapter called "A Long Misunderstanding of Bitter 1:35:15 Fruit", in which he talks about how Jansenism had entered the Church. I got "spirit-filled" in 1974 and have been a member of a Catholic Charismatic Covenant Community for most of my adult life. I am very concerned for the young people who want a return those days.
I grew up Penecostal , and I’m a new Catholic !!! I deal with anxiety I want the Holy Spirit in my life . I watched some Videos from trads and it left confused , and I want to follow Jesus I want an authentic relationship with the Holy Spirit pray , God makes the way 💯 clear to me and I can follow him in peace.
Thank you for this level-headed, prudent, truthful, and charitable approach to dissecting the pre- and post-conciliar period!
Ultimately, I trust in the promises of our Lord Jesus Christ! There will always be challenges in every era. But the war has been won by the Lord! We just have to cling onto the Barque during these battles.
Powerful sharing.Thank You Holy Spirit
I've come across a lot of questions about how the personal gift of tongues is initiated and sustained. Many are confused by what they consider methods of coaching people to do it, peer pressure, and "fake it till you make it." Also they don't understand why it is encouraged in group gatherings when it is not the prophetic gift requiring an interpretation. People are also confused by, and critics seize upon, examples of a person saying the same word or the same three syllables over and over again. Then they say it is silly, fake, or distracting, and/or produces a cacophony in group settings, etc.
I've tried to explain that the "prayer tongues" are not necessarily an instance of the Holy Spirit prompting a person right at that time to speak out in tongues in a powerful way as in many first experiences of the gift and/or the recurring prophetic gift, that it is a more subdued expression that the person themselves turns on and off, but it's drawn from the initial experience and being cultivated in private prayer. And doing it all at once in a group is a charismatic practice that arose in a charismatic culture as part of praise and worship. It's not necessarily that the Bible says do it this way. So I think it needs a better explanation for those looking in from the outside and also for those who have had exposure to the Renewal but this part of it did not go well for them.
Maybe more people who have experienced a true gift of tongues should speak about it online, not merely to respond to critics, but so that everyone can hear all the individual testimonies. They do differ, and those differences tell us a lot about how the gift is experienced across the board.
I don't understand why there is criticism against the Charismatic Renweal? We live in a critical world where everyone is pointing fingers at others; division in our country, and online where people argue with one another. God created us to be family. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and it did awaken the Sacrament of Confirmation in me. I felt God's Love and peace so strongly! I have been slain in the Spirit numerous times when being prayed over. This is a great ministry of the church. I am now working for a parish and involved in Evangelization. I think more people should be open to the Holy Spirit and not the spirit of criticism. (which is from the enemy)