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- www.vladtv.com/ - Famed producer Just Blaze reveals how he initially met up with Jay Z after Roc-A-Fella sought him out after listening to some of his music. He also reveals the one song that solidified their relationship, and details the differences in working with Eminem and Jay Z.
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Yeah whenever the question is asked on who's verse was better on renegade...JayZ fans are always beating round the bush haha
Im a Jay fan and that is easy for me to answer. Em
That is prolly my favorite Em rhymes period
It really depends on what you like most. Being a fan of both I can honestly say I feel it was even. Em's rhyme schemes were crazy but the pictures Jay painted were extremely vivid and personal.
PREMODOGMATIC If you're talking painting pictures in our heads... Eminem out did Jay Z as far as imagery man. "Go to war with the mormans, take a bath with the catholics .. in holy water, no wonder why they try to hold me under longer..."
Vong Xiong Clever line but it's a blend of fiction and metaphor. Not reality and depth. Like I said it all depends on what you appreciate most. "I'm influenced by the ghettos you ruined." He's saying he's a product of his environment. "The same dude you gave nothing (himself) I made something doing what I do through and through. I give you the news with a twist. It's just my ghetto point of view." "I penetrate pop culture and bring em a lot closer to the block where they pop toasters." He's speaking to his influence in music. All of his lines on that song go that deep but you would have to understand the lingo. "Mami's knocked up cause she wasn't watched over. Knocked down by some clown, when child support knocks, no he's not around." Telling of a young single mother who ends up in this situation because of how she was raised and who she chose to sleep with. Jay Z stuff just has to be broken down for some.
PREMODOGMATIC You don't need to explain to me line by line what it means bro. lol. But yeah, it's different perceptions of what you like.
This video is almost 6 years old and it randomly popped up in my recommendations
And now it popped up in mine.
Same
"Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen"
I ain't no politician, but I'll kick it with'em a minute!!
"See they call me a menace if the shoe fits I wear it"
But if it don't then y'all alla swallow the truth and then bear it.
Whose the king of these rude, ludicrous, lucrative lyrics?
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics. Using his music to steer it, sharin' his views and his merits?
Em had drastically better verses than J on renegade; the content, the flow, the rhyme scheme. Everything was better. Not saying J was bad but Em was simply better.
+The Merovingian Dynasty No,Jay Z lyrics weren't more complex
***** There was nothing complex about what Jay-Z was saying or how he said it.
+Chris B. (AGx) True.
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it? Jay-Z had the better verse
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate, Satan and scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see, it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the ladder, a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, they can be mad at today
I have a great amount of respect for Just Blaze so it was interesting to hear him share his experiences with Eminem and Jay-Z in the studio. Although I personally enjoy listening to Eminem more, Jay has a great business mind and has managed to keep himself relevant for more than 15 years. That is no easy task for any music artist, especially hip-hop.
word man, not to be that guy but I have to say it Jay has been relevant for about 20 years, cuz reasonable Doubt was 96' and he was pretty known before that so it's insane how consistent he's been, unbelievably hard to do that. Personally I think he has the greatest CATALOG of all time, and achievements wise he's the greatest but he's still taking a back seat to Biggie and Pac....and I personally think Nas comes before Jay when we're talking skills, but that's just me, I think when Jay dies ppl will say he's the GOAT
Word I can respect that, I said "people" will say he''s the GOAT not me haha I put Pac, Big, and Nas before him, but that's just me, Rakim is that guy too, I just didnt live through his era so it didnt have as big of an impact on me....I just dont know how you can brush off his albums like they werenb't good but Im not mad at cha, as long as you're not putting down BIg and PAc I wont trip out haha
***** I can respect that .
You enjoy listening to a man speak about killing his child's mother and dissing Mariah Carey. That shit lame as hell. LMFAO Jay > Eminem. Anyday
travellj Yes, Eminem has had explicit lyrics on his previous work; however, most (if not all) of Jay's albums have an "Explicit Content" label on them for a reason. Hov has talked about killing and dissing people for years, it's the norm in today's hip-hop culture.
Nas "Eminem murdered you on your own track" - LOL
+Big L he fucks trash, wtf i though the was gay
+CHIZZO P
Jay "yeah I sampled your voice you was using it wrong. you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song" - LOL on that
+Audio Plugg - I'm still siding with Nas and Ether on this one - don't get me wrong - Jay Z holds his own - but Nas is a lyrical beast. Subject matter wise he has left no stone un-turned - ONE MIC -
CHIZZO P
lol you just had to throw One Mic in there huh. I can't argue that song. that was his best yet.
+Audio Plugg - Had to do it, Sun - LOLOL - Jesus died at age 33, there's 33 shots, From twin Glocks, there's sixteen a piece, that's 32... Which means one of my guns was holding 17.. 27 hit your crew, 6 went into you - WOOOOO!!!!
This is awesome. Jay's my favorite rapper of all-time, but I will admit that Em outdid him on Renegade. Just Blaze always had the bangers and never had to drown his beats with 808s to make them great. Legendary interview.
Da Kid Gowie to be fair eminem already had the renegade song finished with Royce and then gave it to Jay. Jay went right in on it, while em, prolly had years to write and rewrite his.. Shouldn't be debated nor compared it's just a dope song.
Jay z had the advantage
I happen to disagree, It was different approaches and just because NAS said it doesn’t mean it’s true. NAS was obviously bios
LMFAOOOO you must didn’t listen to jays second verse
@@CarlosRodriguez-lf9oe that’s a fact
To be fair, Renegade was already Em's song. The original version was Em & Royce da 5'9" (and maybe one other dude). Jay heard the song and was like, "that shitz crazy!" He asked Em if he could do a version and Em went back to Royce and was like, "Don't be mad, BUT.... I GOTTA give this song to Jay-Z man". Once Em heard Jay's verse he told him to put it on his album (Jay'z album). But you can tell it's "Eminem's song". It SOUNDS like Em. And yes, Em did murk that song. They both did. But Em really did murk that song.
Damn you may have a point, just went back to listen to it and it does sound like an Eminem song.
suntansuperman26 No shit, Eminem produced the beat. -_-
So, jay heard Eminem's verse first and still got destroyed? Oh well that's even worse
The smartest shit i read
This isn't the actual story. Royce and Em made the song but Royce felt it didn't fit the theme of his album so he dropped it. Then Em took the song to JayZ. (Btw Em produced the beat too)
There's a reason Jay didn't shoot a video for Renegade.
Yeah, LiveNation didn't want a standard video. The had Jay and Em perform it in NYC and Detroit, recorded the live events and made them into the " Music Video" it was part of Jay-Z contract with LiveNation for his touring contract
he even wasnt asked about Eminem, he just started to talk about him, which means he really thinks Em is better, juz doesnt wanna say it, idk scared or smth
+Aya Mur He didn't mention any albums. He mentioned one song. Renegade, because no-one has ever shined like that on a record with Jay. Compare albums and you'll see why Em does not make the cut.
Jay can't match em in anything lmao you dumb nigga I stopped being a jay fan after he started compromising his lyrical ability to sell records. Em never did that ever. jays been trash since the blue print. all trash albums. lyrically trash em would wash him on any beat
We can compare albums all day, but em's competing with his own albums not jay z. Nas and eminem are levels ahead of jay, it's not even close those 2 are the best rappers ever not jay z. jay got washed by both
+Kenny Porter yet em created an ALTER EGO to sell records FOH
+Kenny Porter in few words, Jay-Z > Em > nas
Everybody hates admitting Eminem killed Jay Z on that record
hov killed him on that and on syllables u must aint hear it
+Jiemel Gould U tripping
there is nothing to admit they both had great verses it's all on preference.. and this is all NAS fault since NAS is a legend and he said that line on ether everyone ran with it when nobody was saying Eminem bodied anything on that song before that
+Jiemel Gould yeah Jay did have a better verse to me on syllables and on renegade they both killed it again it's preference on what you like to hear
+Douglas l a record is a recording plain and simple. In the physical sense it can by a vynil record but it can a 45 rpm or 33 1/3 rpm. Either way it's a record.
The award from Record of the Year typically goes to a song not album.
there is no debate on who had the better verse. 'Renegading' is an actual term that describes a featured rapper murdering his host.
Young Walt Disney thank nas for starting that propaganda
Young Walt Disney that's bullshit, I'm an Eminem fan but prefer Jay's verse
Young Walt Disney Negative. Nobody listening to it for the first time was wondering who was gunna out do who but more or less wanted to know what it would be like hearing them on the song together for the first time. After that hype went away, then the debate came about with the most overrated rapper of all time Nas making it a reach on Ether to try and point out someone who was better than Jay because he damn sure isnt.
ItsameAlex So? Some people prefer Plies and Lil B to KRS-One and Nas. Personal opinions don't mean shit.
+The Truth Nas is overrated?
Just blaze just explains why Eminem is the goat without even trying
Very true bro
Renegade is one of Em hardest and most legendary verses. He would've bodied anybody with those verses. Jay is still my #1 emcee of all time though.
Not everyone. Royce 5'9 didn't get murdered on the original track. Jay made a remix and got slaughtered.
To think that track with Royce was already nasty
I think jay is a goat. But he isnt the most lyrical. He made great shit tho.
Em, pac, biggie, Nas are way better than Jay z millions of times better
Nah, Jayz's voice just doesn't sound good, which totally destroys his music.
Huge fan of both... equally they brought as much of "them" then they ever have on a project... just to hear both legends at their top desire to perform is art at its finest.. true hip hop classic
You can argue who makes the better music out of the 2, but Eminem is easily better lyrically.
HovitoYO Not really, Em has sold more albums without dumbing his shit down.
not even a argument eminem is better....and so are most of the other rappers out today..its just because we've created this myth that jay z is this dope rapper..like no just listennnn we all have ears..his raps suck!!
michael cooper Stop it. I don't know how old you are or how far back you can take it, but I remember when Jay was just coming out with 'Cant knock the hustle'. I remember shit like 'You must love me' and 'Streets is watching' when the shit was released, fully enveloped in the climate of the time (in lamens terms, compared to what else was out). Now do I think he THE greatest? Fuck no. But if you real, you gotta to admit that he's in the top 20 all time. Flocka is ass. Soulja boy is ass. Lil B is ass. Jay ain't in that "his rap sucks" category that they in, lol.
Ash Phillips He's white
so are your teeth
Eminem won Renegade, duh. Jay was tight though.
Jay z. Killed da track. They rapping different styles . I relate to jayy
jay z and eminem are too different to adequately compare. it's apples and oranges.
they both rap don't they?
They both rap and they are both fruits so you can compare them dumbass
Most will miss it... I liked jay better on the track, because his delivery and the bars were relatable. Eminem is a perfectionist with the delivery, but content is lacking at times. Oh he rhymed his ass off on renegade, and it's the showstopper, but i favored hov more for the aforementioned reason. Ems beats all sound alike too
As a big Em fan, Jay went hard on renegade and in my opinion his first verse is one of his greatest ever verses. But i still feel Em had the slight edge on that track.
Eminem always has the edge on whatever track he's on. I don't even know if I could name a song that he did with other artists where he wasn't the better rapper.
suntansuperman26 Dead Wrong with Biggie
suntansuperman26 Eminem ft Redman - Off the Wall. Redman got Em on that track fo sho.
suntansuperman26 Remember me with Sticky Fingaz. I think Sticky had a better verse
suntansuperman26 eminems freestyles with proof many times even with royce da 59 both of them at times outshine em lyrically and flow on freestyles
Jay's verses on Renegade were amazing.... most average listeners aren't even capable of picking up all the subtleties within his verses..... ...... ...... but Em's verses on that track were simply legendary.....
This guy's BSing with the diplomacy. We all know EM rolled that track..
HovitoYO the 1st verse as a whole blew jayz outta the water... to say otherwise is just being biased when jayz said it himself em beat him
interview with hot 97 youtube it
Em killed Jay on Renegade
Yeah bro
I like jay z verse personally because I can relate “ I had to hustle my back to the wall” that line resonates with me in real life. Em cool but coming from the projects and owning my own real estate company and being able to give my children a better life. I definitely understand JAY-Z verse.
Exactly
Power to you man from getting out the projects
Em is an artist, more complicated, while Jay is strictly a rapper, plain & simple. By keeping things simple it's a little easier to enjoy the music. Em almost always has a message though.
HovitoYO Explain what you know bro, this is convo.
Em's music means more to many more people because of the universal subjects every one can relate too, for example bullying which is actually a huge issue today in the forefront, Jay-Z would never tackle something like that, he'd never truly be insecure or vulnerable on a track. Jay keeps us all at a certain distance as he has his whole career, he tells you what he wants you too know. He's a hustler who spoke in code to hustlers a one point. That's a small world though. Em's career has been an open book on hard life, not just a short lived hustlers life turned business mogul. How many of us can really relate to that? Now hip hop is vibrato, that's what it was born to be and they both have that equally. But theirs a reason why Just Blaze wouldn't flat out give Jay the top spot. I love Jay so don't get me wrong, I just never (ever) let my being a fan get it the way of the truth.
anthony smallwood Well said sir.
HovitoYO Eminem, Tupac and Biggie are all better rappers than Jay-Z. Jay-Z was on top by default after Pac and Big died. He didn't earn it. He's had one great album: RD. After that he started rapping about bullshit.
Fact; Jay-Z has 3 classic albums.Yes he came along at the right time, but he was gonna get shine because he was always self aware. He understands the game and would've always been one of the best players.
okay he basically saying its em
I wasn't listening for a competition. I got what I was looking for: A great song!
Just Blaze is the kind of success story that encourages me as a underground artist with a small following. Seeing how he’s developed his skills and slowly blown up after seizing each and every opportunity he’s been giving has been inspirational! Mans has quickly become a mainstay in the industry and for good reason. Dude is too nice! I know if I put in the work, I can reach a larger audience some day too, but for now, I’m happy being a supporter. My turn will come too. Salute to Just Blaze🔥
Em is the pure heart and soul of an Emcee. he is the fullest extent of an Emcee. listening to one of the best producers ever, and others, would say that with ease.
Em is trash stan
I feel so sorry for those who didn’t understand the depth of what Hov was saying on renegade but then again he said it himself do you listen to music or skim through it ....... Real street dudes felt what Jay was talking about because they been there done that especially on the night I had bring something home to quiet the stomach rumbling ok I’m out
BPP WARGAMING exactly that’s what people miss. It’s a lot easier to say Em is a better lyricist bc he’s so technical when it comes to rhyming and the shock value he says.
But there’s more depth and meaning behind what Jay says and his lyrics are more impactful. His use of double and triple entendres, powerful metaphors. I guess it’s more of a personal preference but I prefer lyricist that say the most with the least amount of words.
Nothing that marshall has ever said ever gave me a chill bump renegade the same he sounds like an upset white boy screaming for his mothers love I can't relate to that sorry lmao.
@@castolano WTF? you a hater bro. EM Was mocking haters and was so calm he didnt say shit about white ppl or his mom just like jay said it on that joint 'Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?' Childish logic grow up
@@M.Sleeze leave him dude. When someone hates on Em and brings up the phrase "white boy" you already know why he's doing it.
this interview was fiiire
More Just Blaze interviews please. Thanks in advance.
I would love to see a track made with Eminem Jay Z Kanye and Kendrick with Dre producing the track with Kanye
That'll be super dope
+The Fake Slim Shady yeah but i can not imagine Kanye and dre working together I tought they had Grudge each others?
+Andri Snær Asmundsson never heard of that, I did hear Dre giving Kanye props in an interview before
WillL _ uh? Oh well most have been some bullshit where i heard it from :)
+The Fake Slim Shady Remove Kendrick. that guy tries to bring the soul back to mainstream hip hop but then contradicts himself with trap drums and obnoxious simple hooks that you'd expect from every other trap song. His mix of conscious music and trap doesn't work. And honestly i believe more people would agree with me if Kendrick didn't have Dr Dre and other artist's praise being the reason 99% of his fans like him
Eminem's amazing when he guests on someone's song, even to this day. His first 3 albulms are forever classic and always will be. Many rappers new and old consider him the best because for a time he was. It's the same with hov, but Jay z has way more urban appeal. So at the end of the day they're both the best. Period.
His beats are heavy ! I like em though. Takes me back to NBA street vol. 2 days !
An articulate, confident, humble and talented black man. Personally he makes me feel very proud!
There's where I always stood on it and these stans and other ppl be always bringing up who did better on what song. My folk were just happy about the event and enjoying the time we had it in. 💯
Jay Z absolutely knew Eminem out performed him on Renegade. Eminem at that time was scary to established MCs attempting to lay claim to being the best. Jay Z purposely stunted the sales of blueprint by not releasing Renegade as a single with a video.
And Nas the following year or two for all his mocking of Jay for getting "murdered" brought in Eminem for God Son but had him produce a track rather than rap on one.
I can't imagine Tupac or Biggie hearing Eminem on Renegade and then coming up with a verse not as memorable as Eminem's.
good comment!
jliveslife em grew up poor just like pac did
@j Smith nigga so? Em doesnt have to prove you shit anymore. He already made it on top. Em drops and album RIGHT NOW. and you'll prolly be the first ones listening. "Yet you keep coming back for more" -em
I don't like how Sean just said take someone else off the track to put him on. Let someone else shine wtf
That's why he's Jay Z
Just blaze is so humble!!Love listening to him talk...thx for sharing your knowledge just!!
Quite a story getting his foot in the door as a producer, Just Blaze made so much music I didn't know he was behind! A Beast!
Forreal, I never got that "who bodied who" shit. Renegade was a dope song, isn't that enough?
Exactly
And Jay can't rap? C'mon man lets be serious...if reasonable doubt was Jay's only album ever we'd still be talking about it. Absurd lol
Reasonable Doubt's only legacy is the business acumen Jay demonstrated by mixing mainstream polish with the underground sound that was done better by hundreds of rappers in the early 90's who never blew up because they didn't understand, at the time, the importance of appealing to females. Jay has done some good work, but he has mostly benefited from being in the right place at the right time, where hip hop was primed to become mainstream because of the hard work of more talented, more original rappers who came before. Reasonable Doubt is an extremely mediocre album for anyone who was listening to hip hop in the late 80's and early 90's. Now American Gangster...that's Jay realizing his potential.
@@matamichael79 wrooooong
I agree jay is a king in his own Eminem to men I think some people forget jay has a big Katalog
In my opinion, Just's greatest beats are in the Diplomats mix tapes and first their first official Album, Diplomatic Immunity.
great interview this time.
Jay Z said that Eminem did better, so there's really nothing left to debate.
True
Just has to be lying. How can you say you've NEVER listened to Renegade thinking "who had the better verse?" After Nas dropped Ether and the infamous line "Eminem murdered you on your own shit" everyone listened to that song and tried to figure out who had the better verse. In fact, I think after that line is when people really started comparing rapper's verses whenever there was a high profile collaboration.
Some people listen to a song for what it is a SONG not a competition. Why is that so hard for some people to understand? SMH
aikens todd how many times do you think he's heard that song though? and he's NEVER thought "who had the better verse?" GTFO
He's a fuckin producer!!!! Do you have any idea how many songs he's heard that the general public will never get to hear. Not to mention his ear for the music is very different than an average listener. The bottom line to this whole who's better debate is personal preference Em's flow was crazy and that's the reason why alot of people say he murdered jay but lyrically what was being said in that song he wasn't fuckin with jay. Thats just my opinion of the song and I've never listened to the song as if it was a competition I took it for what it was a great song period.
BTW I didn't listen to the song after ETHER. I had the Blueprint album the 2nd week it came out.
Just Blaze is a legendary producer who has produced for so many artist and to me Eminem and Jay-Z both did their thing on Renegade. And on a side note I have a you tube channel type in Russell Mills May 22, 2017.
Having just blaze and Kanye on your label as beat makers is part of the reason why I use to love the roc.
Eminem outclassed Jay without question and Jay had the benefit of hearing Em's verses before Jay recorded his. This isn't even a debate, it's facts.
lastone032085 where is your source that jay heard em's verse before recording his own?
@@navajo3406 Idk if you'll reply to this but there was already an unreleased Renegade with Eminem and Royce Da 5'9". Jay-Z heard the record and asked for it so Em gave it to him. The Em verses on the official Renegade are the same as the ones on the original unreleased version. So yeah, Jay-Z heard Eminem's verses before recording his own.
I thought Em's verse was dope....but it didn't connect with me or my life experience like Jay's verse did. By the bodega, iron under my coat feeling braver, durag wrapping my waves up, pockets full of hope.....c'mon bruh! He just captured the emotion and feeling countless young brothers have gone through who jumped in that game. That shit is classic. And they weren't even battling. They were describing their own renegade experience.
I agree
Do not step to me, I’m awkward I box lefty, a orphan my pops left me & often my momma wasn’t home 🤦🏾♂️
😂 😂
@@JakeNHale 🤡🤡
@@mahamedkadir7941 😂 you gotta dot on your forehead?
That guy sounds great. Take him off I’m getting on.
Whatever happened to Bathgate/Bavgate the rapper?
First time hearing Renegade, I thought Jay was right behind Em verse for verse. Then I read the lyrics and listened to it a few more times, I realized Em was on a different level
Just Blaze is so awesome. Such an absolute legend
Who won on Renegade? Hip Hop.
Bigfacts
Loved the Blaze beats on Recovery
Whats the name of the beat at the end?
Royce is probably the only guy I've heard that has gone toe to toe with em on a track. I can't think of a lot of people who can outrap em on a song. Maybe busta on calm down or I'll hurt you? Maybe but damn
noah reuter Proof could have! Em knows and has even said it:(
Biggie
Lil wayne on Drop the world and forever was better, but em was better on no love. Lil wayne is underated just because people judge him on his mainstream songs .. All the great like Eminem, Kanye, Kendrick, Jay, fat joe, Drake, chance, macmiller, talib kweli, tyga said he is a top rapper, Kanye and kendrick even said he is the best ..
"Me and nickel identical !!"
Em thinks so too lol
@@Anthonydu01630 hell no nigga you trippin!.ems part is the one that gets u fuckin pumped and gets you through the last set in the gym! He subliminally dissed all of them niggas on the song and kanye west admitted he rewrote his verse for 2 days after hearing EMINEMS verse! Drake called em the GOAT at his own concert when he came and showed out for that song .weezy dope and he had 2nd best verse ..theres a reason why Ems verse was last ! He the anchor and even weezy know that
He know Eminem won on Renegade. Letting his Jay-z bias come out. lol
It wasnt a battle, how did he win?
@@mikerich3378 may not have been a battle but its always competitive
It's a COLLABORATION. Not a COMPETITION. ffs these people man
Handled that well! A lot of the time radio hosts and interviewers may not even be aware of the consequences of most of the questions they ask. Asking who is better on a track by two of the heaviest hitters in hiphop ever is purely out of a fanatic bars fan of hiphop! As a producer his primary concern is the actual track itself and getting that money from Em and Jay. Im sure he considers both as friends and a true friend wouldn't say some shit like that anyway. Common vlad use your head
Does it really matter who "did better" on the track?
💯
Nas said on ether eminem killed jay z on his own shit, so eminem for sure. but jays verses were dope as fuck aswell
Jamiul Ahmed Ether was a DISS song so nas said whatever would get under jays skin at the time but for me jay had the better verse content wise.
Jack Apple I agree
Jack Apple you say that like nas told you himself, what if its because eminem did kill him on his own shit? anyways i thought em had the better verse not to belittle jays, his was still dope to me
Jamiul Ahmed If nas truly thought that then it would just be another opinion in a sea of opinions I guess
Jack Apple except its Nas opinion, who is probably one of, if not the greatest rapper of all time, (deffo top 3) who said em killed jay, so his opinion has a lot more weight to it than some random person
Name one truly emotional Jay-Z Song, like truly from an emotional place, not a calculated cerebral place......I'll wait. This is what Tupac, BIG & Em have in common that Jay is missing, a real emotional connection to the music & therefore his listeners.
+Enzo Deuce Momma loves me
lucky me, you must love me and many more but those are on his lesser known albums
+Enzo Deuce THIS CAN'T BE LIFE, HARD KNOCK LIFE (GHETTO ANTHEM), ANYTHING, MOMMA LOVES ME, SONG CRY, MOMENT OF CLARITY ever heard of these? man hold this #L
No one ever accused Jay-Z of not being a thoughtful guy. Nobody ever said he couldn't tell a story skillfully, even if it isn't about him and that's what all that is, thoughtful story telling. It's all devoid of emotion, unless your a drug dealer or a hustler as he calls it, you don't "feel" him. You hear him, you comprehend him, you understand him well, but you never "feel" him. With him you always "feel" at arms length but not with Em. Even if you think he's crazy sometimes, you always feel Em and that's artistry! #micdrop
+AHMED HERSI I know right?! Fuck outta here with that shit!
U can tell by Jay zs voice in renegade he was struggling tryna keep up with emm. But emm got on the track and it seemed like it all came out effortlessly.
I agree with Just that they both killed it and since it was not a battle I have no desire to pick who had best verse.
Magic Johnson And Larry Bird on the 1992 USA Olympic Team together... That is all!
Shhiiiittt, This is MJ/Barkley on Dream Team 92!!! Magic and Bird are some Run DMC/ Public Enemy type OG's, these are the new cats!
People who say hov is garbage don't know music lol
@K A The black album was the last one. In the UK his tour around the BP3 album was full of kids who wanted the new stuff 😞
You know the answer just blaze..but I understand why you don’t wanna answer it and because of who you are and you got a good heart I respect your answer 👍
It's crazy how much different rappers and producers carry their selves lol my man just got on a wal mart transformers shirt with no fucks given
He knows damn well that Em was better, he just doesn't wanna say it cause he doesnt want beef with Jay Z.
they both did well on the record..
Garfield Harrison A lot of people don't get Jays rhyme scheme and flow on the track, that's why they think he had the weaker verse. But he really went in too, Em just delivered two of the best verses he ever did.
Totally agree with you both.
+NoTricksNoTricks jay delivered wasn't good
na... nope............. not really..,
it just wasn't a good beat for Jay'z.. it was more of a beat that fits eminems style........ Em killed it on the lyrics, but they should have brought in a female singer and changed the chorus
What was the beat?
jay and em have been at forefront of hip hop for over 25 years longevity at his highest level...LEGENDS
Damn Just, breathing all heavy between lines. Get your cardio together
lol makes me get out of breath just watching
Em killed him. And it's not hard to bodybag Jay Z. Its happened numerous times in his career.
It's not hard to out perform Jay-Z, and yet you claim eminem killed him. Anybody can do that, even Kanye did it.
What? Yes em killed him. But it's not hard to do. I don't understand your point. What I said was not a contradiction. lol
Jay has always been dope as hell so you’re an idiot
Mechanically, I thought that Eminem's flow throughout his verses were better that Jay's on "Renegade", but both artists were rapping about two totally different subject matters from their own personal experiences. I'd have to say that I respect both of their verses equally.
I'm still waiting to hear Ja Rule's thoughts on who got who on the Renegade track.
Lil Wayne had a better Renegade verse
I think Eminems 1st verse beats Jay-z's first verse, but Jay-z's second verse was the best verse in the song to me. Plus his first verse contained the only quotable in the song.
only quotable you crazy ems whole second verse is a peice of art he made that amazing beat too
chris zanotti And what bar is quoted from it? None. The only bar you'll see quoted from that song is "Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it."
chris zanotti the song was actually an Eminem song that Jay got on... But Jay wanted it so he got it but ems verses stayed entirely intact...
I'm my opinion... It's a classic song by two of the best MCs ever.. it's more about who you can relate to as far as subject matter...
It was originally royce da 59. Better song too in my opion eminem also made this beat
So many people butthurt 🤣 just admit em killed it and jay came runner up
Lol Bathgate, man all i know about him was his track on the first Project Gotham Racing
Blaze looks like a really cool guy!
Interesting interview.
When I was younger, it was Em. Now that I’m older, it’s Jay. Their content resonated at different points for different reasons.
Very well said.
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Yo Amar, you singg ??😂😂
@Blake N how so?
@Blake N its not stan
Whoever was the middle man between Blaze and Jay was hating hard. lol
+Orion Atlantai hahahahah I know right?
Regardless of how they are in the studio, it'd be a blessing to be in the studio with either one of them while they recorded.
Who won on Renegade isn't a question you can answer convincingly. It's like the which flavors better Vanilla or Chocolate? It's all taste dependent. I'm a real huge fan of the little intricacies and nuances that go into crafting a verse like Ems but Jays verse speaks to me more because he's talking about being the product of a single parent household, hustling to overcome poverty etc. To me that's a more universally appealing message than the media tries to lynch me or use me as a scapegoat.
Has anyone here listened to Reasonable Doubt? it tops anything eminems ever made no doubt.
It's really not better than The Slim Shady LP. Jay-Z's raps are lazy. And RD is the only great album Jay has ever done. The Blueprint might sound nice but it's subject material is just that, material.
WHAT? haha are you forreal tell me what song on that album can hold it's own with dead presidents II or can i live or d'evils there's so much content and the word play is crazy. his raps are lazy? have you heard 22 two's? have you heard the black album? you're talking without knowledge man smh he has great songs on other albums as well but try droppin' one album for 8 years straight
Anthony Garcia I say they are lazy because they are all freestyles to start with, which is commendable but not as well thought out as something written. For instance, RENEGADE. Brain Damage, If I Had and Role Model can all hold their own with the Jay songs you mentioned.
they're freestyles? they aren't freestyles lol freestyles is being random with no content. those are good tracks off sslp but nah they can't well in my opinion stan
Nick Pagano You're idiot. It's called "writing without a pen", he raps the lyrics in his head and memorizes it, then he records it. Biggie had the same exact method. Jay is doing the same thing a "writer" would do, just without writing it down, that's the only difference. You probably never even heard Reasonable doubt,.., because that album was by far jay's most structured, lyrical, organized album and it's blatantly obvious....so to hear a person say his body of work is all lazy freestyles, especially reasonable doubt is beyond laughable and the most uneducated thing a person can say about jay's body of work...another example , the album American Gangster completely kills your whole laughable argument about jay rapping lazy freestyles and randoms...because that "story-line" theme album was "mind written" in two weeks and I emphasize on "Story line"..
If you listen to Renegade ... Jay and Em are spitting COMPLETELY different content. EM is talking about how nice his flow is and how good of an artist he is... Jay is painting a picture of his reality ... poetry from his actual real life experiences. If you never been through anything you wont feel his verse the same. Listen to it again... EM had a great flow and delivery... but really didnt say much.
"How you rate music that thugs with nothing relate to it?
I help them see they way through it, not you" ...
it's a whole different critique in order for Jay's verse ... (his verse speaks to the same critics in this post saying EM killed him on the track) ... smh
Facts my brother "do they listen to music or do they just skim through it" Jay>Em
Both of em did great, I just think Em had a better flow.
Great interview
Theyre both in different lanes yes em was maybe better on renegade to some but both verses on there from different angle are fire. So it just depends how you look it
Jay Z makes better songs but lyrically Em is better.
Okay lets compare "Just Lose It" to "Izzo" what would you rather listen to?
HovitoYO thank you but people don't realize that or don't want to say it, if someone who was black rapping like em he would be just another rapper.
aaron wright who the fuck gives a shit about what Nas said? Lmao renegade was a eminem song Jay didn't fit on it but owned it, trust me if eminem was on heart of the city or a track like that Jay would body him, overall Jay>Em only thing he has is lyrics which isn't a big deal because theres Nas Kendrick Rakim and all of them in one box
Devin Howard lol
eminem clearly destroyed gay z on his own shit, jay even said it himself
I hate when people say that. Renegade was a Eminem / Royce record first. Renegade was really a remix for all intents and purposes.
ryan slater Your a CLOWN!!!!
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eric payton cool
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Crazy. Ton of insight in how the industry works.
Great Interview
Jay-Z is more of the laid back, versatile, kind of a rapper while Eminem is the personal, metaphoric kind of rapper but musically Jay is better he has songs which you can party to, personal songs, straight bars kind of songs, although Eminem does a better job with putting his emotion and personal experiences in a song a lot better than Jay does. In my opinion Jay-Z is the greatest of all time 17 Grammys, 13 number 1 albums Eminem does beat him in sales but I still think Jay is the greatest.
umm noo Eminem is one of the greatest mc's of all time he's wayyyy better thaan jay z and no jay z is not versatile his raps are weak..most of the rappers out today are better then him...his voice is low quality.he couldnt hold a candle to kendrick lamar or big sean ..much less eminem..like go listen to piccaso baby..then go listen to big sean's my last..the rap is sooo much better then jay z's..jay z is terrible..but we've allowed god awful rappers to become famous
What the fuck? Are you telling me Big Sean is better than Jay-Z? Dude get your shit together
"Hall Of Fame" flopped so hard that album was trash every aspect of it sucked the songs, the sales the delivery, the charisma his first album was way better
How is Jay not versatile? He collaborates with so many different artists from Justin Timberlake to Rihanna to Kanye West and plays his part so well and brings himself out and he has various flows the way his voice connects with the beat is remarkable his flow is one of a kind he's so distinctive every time you hear his voice you know it's him that's what sets him aside from a lot of different artists
There is no new rapper right now that compares to Jay-Z listen to all of his old material and new material and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Props to Eminem he is one of the greatest to ever do it by breaking barriers and changing the way rap looks today but I just prefer Jay I find his music more enjoyable I can't really enjoy myself with Eminem's music his music is what you listen to during a thinking process or if you need inspiration
big seans flow is better yes....and the amount of albums a rapper sells doesnt prove that he's greater or lesser then some other rapper...it just means no one bought the album..not because it wasnt good..its because its not given much airplay also..kanye??? kanye west sucks..like listen to him live..so does rihanna....she cant sing AT all...again listen to her live...now Justin timberlake yeah he can sing a lil i'll give you that..but because jay-z rapped with shitty artist doesn't make him versatile...it just means he has connections with shitty artist..and please dont tell me you believe rihanna can sing???..pleassee ont..but really the quality of her voice sucks..and so does jay-z's...and dont tell me it doesnt matter..a rappers voice tone and flow matters just as much as the lyrical content...and also eminem has collaborated with just as many artist....probably more...(also not mad at you..just your opinion)
LMAO Kanye West is top 5 best hip hop performers of all time just look at the Yeezus tour and you'll understand. Eminem needs a hype man honestly if Eminem wasn't white he wouldn't be where he is today. In this day in age sales mean a lot trust me. Rihanna, JT, and Kanye West are all talented artists please explain why you think they're shitty?
and whatttt????? Eminem is a lyrical genius and i say that becaus e not only is the proof in his music...he's constantly raked with tupac....as one of the greates mc's...do u hear people talking about jay z like that no..jay z is not on eminems level...hell he's not even on j cole's level..or kendrick lamars level....he never will be...just face it..its alll hype
How is it even a debate? Jay sounds like he was bored, em really got into the song
Jeff Risser
It would be super cool if he started working out 💪🏿
Just Blaze with the diplomacy right at the end...smart.
Songs: Jay-Z > Eminem
Rapping: Jay-Z < Eminem
comparing jayz and eminem all i have to say is renegade cuz eminem blows jayz out the water dude i encourage people who havent heard it to listen to it because eminem uses words idek the meanings to if anyone says jayz is smarter that would be really retarded to say
Vocab doesnt mean he has a higher IQ but i agree, em shitted on jay in renegade..
Eminem is smarter because he uses words you don't know? Bruh I don't think that makes him smart...I think that makes you dumb lmao
Jordan Mcharoldsen
read a dictionary during recess bro
yungkitty i dont have recess "bro" and actually i do study the dictionary quite frequently
Jordan Mcharoldsen Omnipotent means All Powerful. Dont tell people you study the dictionary! lol
Well in my humble opinion, of course without intending to offend anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking at this matter in a different way, and to make it clear, with the utmost respect, and by considering each and every one's opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say...
Jay and Em both killed it. That song was a instant classic.