Courtney Love & Kat Bjelland: The HOLE Truth *Interview*
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Interesting segment that focuses on the friendship and later, rivalry between two of rock n rolls biggest alpha bitches - Hole leader Courtney Love & Kat Bjelland of Babes In Toyland. Featuring an in depth interview with Bjelland on the subject. - เพลง
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“We’d dumpster dive and put semi-dead flowers around our apartment. It was a really fun, magical time.” I love her so much.
Sounds like it.
she's like this celestial creature
Narrator sounds like he's trying so hard to be that "In a world..." guy.
"One man..:
"One. Dee-si-RRR"
There's an E watermark in the lower right corner, so of course he is
Stan Marsh....
Kat Bjelland: "I like to play music, she like to being famous"... thats it folks, nothing more to say.
El Ente
So? Courtney wanted fame. There is nothing wrong with that.
It clashed with the ethos of the grunge movement.
Yeah but then she got good at guitar and wrote amazing lyrics with a voice equal to Kat. Also the world needs more women famous for rock
Freudian Slippers “ethos of the grunge movement” hahahahagagsfa
@@ashamazon2262 Good at guitar? heh
this voiceover guy was the voice of the 90s. "Are you ready for something xtreeem, but too cool to care about it? ARE YOU READY OR SOMETHING IN YOUR FACE? WHATEVER."
Someone doing a bad parody of Rollins
Sunday Sunday Sunday! You want monster trucks? We got em!
The SHADE between those two is unreal
EllieJayden the shade? is that a new emo post core band?
EllieJayden What I love about Courtney is that she allows Kat to talk about her in these interviews, even though she knows Kat will often talk shit about her. lol Honestly who would do that? Who else would allow someone to blab on their BTM special and talk shit like Kat did? Only Courtney. Everyone else would only let good friends and family talk them up.
***** she "allows?" Wtf could Courtney do to stop her?
Nothing.
Especially while strung the fuck out
Anthony Ross
It is HER SPECIAL. On Behind The Music the artist gets to PICK who speaks about them in interviews. It is entirely up to them who they allow to talk. Otherwise we'd be seeing Tom fucking Grant and Hank Harrison speak
Bull shit. VH1 owns the rights and they say what gets said.
kat was a great support for courtney when kurt died while they had a complicated friendship, i love her
The intro commentator’s voice makes it sound like a true crime documentary
I wish this was a few hours long. I could just keep listening to Kat talk.
I agree.
too bad the master tape of the interview probably got tossed.... can you imagine what was cut out?
Dude. Kat, Courtney, and Jennifer Finch in one band, oh shit. That woulda been awesome.
Weren't they in a band called Sugar Baby Doll or Pagan Babies or something? Not sure if they've released any songs tho, haven't looked into it
@@necesitoboba9971 yeah pagan babes and it’s on yourube
Kat is such a sweetheart, she guest listed me and Gushed over me at her show, yelling my name "SHAWN," I was in AWE, she's rock royalty
Cool
Should’ve married that girl.
So sad to hear that Kat is now on hospice care. I never did get to see Babes in action. Wishing her the best :( 🖤
Really… oh my gosh I hope so okay
@Nemophila she won't, she's retired 😕 but I'm glad she's still alive
Babes in toyland
Hospice care at 59? holy shit
Last I heard, she has stage four liver failure. It's heartbreaking :(
Used to see Courtney around at the local Portland clubs too. She was bad news nuts even back then. Babes in Toyland all the way!
Mute that Bozo It’s not a competition
@P K Yep. She was bangin' the singer for a local band named Theater of Sheep at the time, bruh....
@@MutethatBozo And?
@@MutethatBozo Yeah that would be Rozz. And then Courtney married Falling James, the lead singer of Leaving Trains, a band that was promoted by Nikolas Hartshorne, a medical student that went on to be a Medical Examiner for the Seattle Police. Dr. Hartshorne used the money from promoting shows to pay for his college tuition. And there's more....
I love them both so much. Hole and Babes In Toyland are two of the greatest bands of all time
Yes.
Kat Bjelland should've been way bigger than Courtney Love.
+melaniemartinezis anuglyb!tch Not always. Kat is immensely more talented than Love both vocally and musically. Love managed to manipulate many people to get her where she is today. It's no coincidence that her music became so generic after Kurt Cobain killed himself.
+Cliff Trainor Unless you are like many who say Love did it.
+Cliff Trainor well Courtney has charisma and a rock star attitude, that's how she got where she is. Kat may be more vocally and musically talented but Courtney really has that rock star appeal. Like what Kat said "Courtney liked being famous, I liked playing music" obviously Kat's main purpose isn't to become famous, but clearly Courtney's was. what's so bad about that? Courtney knows how to get herself known and out there. you may think that babes in toyland / Kat should be more recognized, but you can't deny that Courtney has what it takes to become famous and recognized
Cliff Trainor I agree Courtney copied Kat
Billy Corgan? The fuck? Courtney is a nutcase but she and Erlandson wrote their monster hit album Live Through This. She was influenced by Kurt and maybe he helped her with some musical ideas, or maybe she stole a couple things from him, but that album was written by her and Eric Erlandson. It was not written by Cobain or Corgan for fuck's sake. And yes, Kat Bjelland is a better musician and singer and all around much cooler person.
"...there's not much to say really. i like playing music and she likes being famous." ha2. kat your the best.
got a physical address? let's talk in person.
love them both. just please learn proper grammar.
I really respect Courtney's ambition. She did exactly what she said she was going to do. I think it's cool that, despite the fights Kat and Courtney have, they're always there for each other when shit hits the fan.
Human then, a failure.
That’s true. She married a rich rock star, had him killed, and stole all his money
Kat Bjelland is everything Courtney Love aspired to be.
I cant accept that kat and courney dontt make music together
It would be magical
Nope, courtney wanted to be famous. Kat wanted to be underground and do her own thing.
They both have talent....courtney new she had potential and she was right. She became famous.
Kat & the riot grrl singers were horrible. All that screeching & bad playing Fuck them, Give me Chrissy Amphlett Or Johnette anytime.
IN A WORLD where you can just decide to move to a new city every couple of months, join a band that's great until you try playing anything, then realise the vital ingredient you were missing out on all along was being a rock star,
Great comment.
Nice picture. Added some random musical comedy and potentially autistic emoji compilations to my Watch List… 👍
@@crnkmnky I guess Mixed Emoji 84 would be of particular interest.
I adore Courtney but she is very much a braggart. I've always thought Courtney was ten times the lyricist that Kat was, though Kat can truly work her away around a guitar, which Courtney absolutely cannot. In spite of the petty disputes between them, I do think they truly love one another. I read an article from 2001 where Kat was quoted as saying that Courtney was her "soul sister" and that they would have a bond whether they spoke or not; the article also mentioned Courtney saying that she "hadn't spoken to Kat, but she wished she had." That tells me everything I need to know-they obviously care about one another in a way that siblings do, even if they don't get along all the time.
She's not a lyricist, she's a parrot. Sucked the talent out of those around her
@@michellethewhoreatthelake936 Nah, shes a great lyricist
That's right👍 They are Soul Sisters...my hereos of my youth 😘
They leave out the part where Courtney took the all the proceeds from that gig & took off to Alaska .
What a user.
Courtney was literally a Kat wannabe when she first started Hole.Just because Kat isn't as famous as Courtney,no one noticed
Hence, a song like "Bruise Violet"
Babes in Toyland were pretty famous in Europe. Their music just wasn't as radio friendly as Hole's second album, I guess.
Can we stop ignoring the fact she’s a traumatised autistic person . It might not have been intentionally “taking over” maybe in 2024 we need to do better to understand her desire to be seen and heard and being part of that .
LOL 'There was nothing PRETEND about COURTNEY!" *sounds extra sinister*
Babes In Toyland did an awesome show in Seattle at the Backstage Theatre. Kat started out the show fierce as usual, breaking two strings on her guitar, and then calmly sitting down on stage while re-stringing her guitar. Lori told some jokes and then BAM, they were back in business. Caught up with her after the show and she signed a few things, punctuating her signature with a big lipstick kiss. I forgot what the opening band's name was. They were four New York guys with long, curly hair who kept lighting each others hair on fire. Burning hair was their gimmick, apparently. Great show, though...
"I like playing music she likes being famous " great quote
Wrong in my eyes, Courtney always loved to play music on stage, if you don't see all her passion and joy for her art I can't help you. I do respect when poeple think that Kat is better than her (I'm not agree with that but it's fine when others have a different opinion). But to say that she was only on stage to become famous and nothing else shows how less people really know about her and her goals in life. Just watch a few performances for example from the Celebrity skin era, her passion for music and her talent is not overlookable and you can FEEL her music.
it was probably just cuz of the attention the crowd was giving her lol
"On the Coattails of a Deadman she'll ride, she'll ride high"
i dont believe in taking sides or hating a specific person when you do not know people.i like both.who cares.
Both of them are awesome in their own ways. I'll admit that Courtney's publicly made a fool of herself on far more occasions, but that doesn't automatically make Kat superior to her. They're both great!
Kat is superior, she is everything courtney wishes she was
***** hard to blame her; Courtney was in their band, sucked, proceeded to ape their style (right down to the baby doll costumes that Kat wore), and then was exalted as a game changer because of he connections to Kurt.
Oh Kurt got them all their connections? They met as a result of mutual connections. Hole's debut album, Pretty On The Inside, was produced by Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth, before Courtney & Kurt were even a thing.
Kat was the single best front woman of any band during that period.
Kat is a killer musician
And Courtney is just a killer. B’dum tissss 🥁
I was gonna say "how the fuck do you have money to be flying in out of LA whenever you want?" And then the voice over guy said "Courtney returned to topless dancing.. "oh yea... duhh" I love both of them tho, they're great.
Her grandparents were rich as fuck and left her an inheritance that was put in to some type of trust where she received huge monthly payments. Dont remember how much exactly. Lol thats how
@@grimmcalypso396 it was $2300 or $2800 a month I can’t remember. But I know that was a lot of money to get every month in the 80’s. You could live very nicely
Weird how Kat says Jennifer had no musical talent but look at L7...
+supperpuppy8 Maybe she didn't back then, but learned later on. This was the mid eighties I believe, so there was plenty of time to learn. I agree with you about L7, there's no one out there like em, they are a rare breed.
she didn't say she had no musical taste, she said she couldn't really played the bass, back in the early-mid 80s.
Even the other L7 members say she couldnt play well to begin with but had so much charisma and passion that it made up for it
She said she couldn't play her instrument, not that she had no talent. Kat also explained in other interviews that back then she didn't want to be in a band with experienced players. She wanted to find people who couldn't play so they could learn and develop their sound together. Lori said flat out that she didn't know how to play drums at all when she joined Babes in Toyland.
In an L7 interview they said the same thing about Jennifer
I adore both ladies.
I remember when I saw Hole for the first time and I saw Courtney Love in the little white dress. I was like, what, are they trying to be Babes in Toyland?
Donovan Frost I remember the first time I saw courtney love's hole. It was gashed in with sores all over it. kind of look like a porcupine too.
blake calliso
That's why you gotta be careful who you get drunk with brutha. lol
Donovan Frost courtney love tried to sleep with me to further her career and I told her that I didn't want aids. Unlike other people who she would attack, she was scared of me, so instead she cried and settled for billy corgan
Ha!
Well they stole many lines from Babes in Toyland so, yeah they were. Difference was that Babes in Toyland actually had talent.
Courtney been knowing how to manifest fame lol
Yup attach herself to people that had the “it” factor that she was missing. Which is why her fame slipped through her fingers
@@Spooky_515 got a better explanation?
it's cool to hear that the guy from America's Most Wanted narrated this
I love Kat and Courtney both.
You must LOVE Marilyn Manson.
Me too👍 Two important women in Music ♥️♥️
@@alinegross3693 th-cam.com/video/AR0SlCTj1Bo/w-d-xo.html Get out much?
Omfg I just can't even - "Courtney had an epiphany. She'd return to the scene - and become... a *rockstar."* 😆🤮🤣🤮🤪🤪
Hell of an "epiphany!" 🤣😂🤣😂
i hate how whenever you bring up kat courtney always has to come up
ikr, shes her own person and has her own acomplishments, and still people dont like do recognice that
Kat's the real deal; Courtney is...Courtney.
Some people in the comments are roasting Courtney and I live for it
where the fuck did they get the money for all these flights?
you can fly 'stand by' pretty cheap, i've done it many times, obviously they weren't flying first class.
***** and her trustfund
TheRichardD123 lol good question. A) It was the late 80's so it wasn't as expensive. B) Courtney was a stripper and strippers can make hundreds in a night C) Courtney had a trust fund of $500 a month from her grandmother. She paid for the flights and everything but the reality of the situation is Courtney was homeless and sleeping on friends floors. She didn't have rent to pay.
*****
It's not the same, jackass
*****
Not everybody is religious.
I like playing music and she likes being famous is the perfect quote.
is there more parts to this interview on youtube ??.. i dont wanna stop watching it here... where can i see the rest of this ?? ...to anyone who can help out THANK YOU!! x)
Babes in toyland is a great underrated band
it's just funny to me because courtney just copied everything she could about kat but the difference is that kat is real and herself. courtney is a fake persona. i want to see who she truly is deep down.
She is an EVIL killer in my opinion!!! And what’s really messed up is that Francis too started putting out rumours that her hubby was suicidal too when he wasn’t!!! And that he feared for his life as well when they were breaking up and fighting over Kurt’s guitar which Francis did give to him. I forget his name but I think it’s Isaac maybe?!?!
@@retro.x he was in a band too or was. The band is called the Eeries. They were really good. They kinda sound like Nirvana
@@retro.x”kurt wasn’t suicidal” he literally wrote a song called i hate myself and want to die and have you seen or heard literally anything he’s ever said or written? he was so suicidal are you dumb
she appears to be a soul sucking void of a human
I’ll always love Courtney.
she has lived one hell of a roller coaster. props to her, have always admired her for marching to the beat of her own drum
Alpha Bitches. EPIC band name right there.
Actually, not.
Kat is so fuckin cool
I love both, but I've always had a soft spot for Kat haha :)
Kat Bjelland is sharp as a tact !
I remember the aftermath of this in Mpls 1985.
I'd love to watch the rest
never saw this E show... Kat yer spot ON. I now know a bit more. Appreciate those early days at Lori's house' particular watching u girls rehearse' I was amazed at the Johnny Cash type riffs you displayed' U said yer uncle showed you I believe? NJOY Fish
I'm not a big Courtney fan, but I love Kat and Babes In Toyland. And I also love Jenifer Finch and L7.
anyone who knows anything about music knows 'babes in toyland' is 10 times better than 'hole', and the idea that 'hole' has destroyed 'babes in toyland' in record sales is devastating proof that notoriety sells more records than musical talent.
anyone who knows anything about music knows that Hole is much more musically complex than Babes in Toyland. that doesn't make them better, but you can't say that babes in toyland is better than Hole because everyone has their own preferences. I personally like Babes in Toyland's style and Kat's voice is amazing, but almost all of their songs sound very similar. Hole is more musically complex and they tend to write with various styles, but Courtney's voice is clearly not the best but it can be appealing to some. Live Through This is iconic, and so is Fontanelle. but you can't say that one is better than the other, it doesn't work that way. that's all based on your own opinion and preferences.
Kurdt Cobain courtney does have a good band (and i personally don't have anything against courtney at all) but the music is only as good as courtney, (she does have other talents) it's just not that good, very vanilla.
***** Eric Erlandson and Courtney Love collaborate on most of the riffs, Courtney writes all the lyrics. The reason why I commented is because you said that "notoriety sells more records than musical talent". Hole is not only Courtney Love; Eric Erlandson, Patty Schemel, and Kristen Pfaff (if we're talking about the Live Through This / Pretty on the Inside eras) all have much more musical talent than Courtney Love. If you look at both the Hole and Babes in Toyland riffs on paper side by side, there is a huge difference in what you could call beginner and intermediate if that makes sense. Not just in the guitar, but also in the drums and the bass guitar.
They’re both my favorite bands, both excellent. Stop trying to pitch women against each other.
anyone who knows anything about music knows that music taste is completely subjective to each individual person, and that there's no point in pitting two amazing bands against each other when you can just enjoy both*
"An error has occurred, please try again later." .......KHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!
courtney just hung with kat to steal her ideas
Not really, they were just in a band together before splitting and Hole art process was more likely on Eric so to keep short that's a bullshit, they both tried to became something during the same grunge era, and their work are just so different that I can't even get where you think Courtney stole form Kat.
That’s not true. Kat has insisted over the last 30 years that CL stole her kinderwhore look, but she fails to let those who didn’t know already, they had a short lived band & they BOTH did the babydoll dresses, barrettes, bleach blonde and smeared red lipstick thing together .. love Kat but she’s been a shitty friend over the years. She’s naturally a really good musician but Courtney achieved the fame & fortune for other things than music and I truly believe Kat’s always been envious of it. She said she loves making music and Courtney loves being famous but I’m pretty certain that’s bc she wasn’t nearly as famous or wealthy. That would bother pretty much anyone deep inside 🤷🏼♀️
@@krissisnow6964I did see Courtney did have a look like Kat but didn't Nancy spungen in the seventies do a lot of that Nancy kind of looked like a girl a punk and a street walker at the same time 🤷
1:54 "Courtney was like, running"
I love them both idc
surprised to hear jennifer finch wasn't any good on bass, i thought she was great in l7, her songs were definitely more punk than donita's or suzi's, i thought she should have wrote more for them. babes in toyland is a great band, i like courtney, she's a smart girl and has done well acting, but her music is way too simple and contrived.
well, she just said she 'couldn't really play' at the time. She'd probably just started, like Courtney
invade81 true.
the "hole" truth. clever
THEY PICKED SANFRANCISCO......😆
I love BIT, have since 93 (showing my old ass 43 year old self here) but I love Hole more .. both CL & KB are great song writers. Only difference is Kat truly could sing. Sure, she was more of a screamer & that’s what makes Kat, “Kat” but Courtney never could carry a tune, but I love her just the same. I really wish she didn’t sell out, change her face, etc. she had a classic punk rock look naturally, she should’ve left her nose alone cus it fucked her face up royally 😂
thats from e hollywood story where is the rest of it
i think Hole made it because her affiliation to Nirvana, imo. Had there been no connection, not sure it woulve happened.
Of course
Bikini kill was more influential than hole for awhile and Kurt dated Tobi vail and Kathleen Hanna gave him the name smells like teen spirit
love babes in toyland so much more than hole.
I wonder where in Alaska Courtney danced. There were only so many of those places at the time to my knowledge.
Frances looks just like her mom wow
Bottom line is Kat is so talented & Babes is one of the most under appreciated bands -even tho they did play things like Reading Festival & Lollapalooza (sp?) etc...Anyone saying Kat's jealous of Courtney is FOOLISH. Yeah, people know Courtney's name -but what's she doing?Kat's back playing shows, she sounds AWESOME! The band sounds great, new material coming out -and any musician is gonna tell you Kat/Babes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Courtney/Hole's 1 ok album.
I don't think Kat ever really wanted that level of success anyway. A lot of musicians from that scene in that era didn't want it, which is why they were making abrasive noise rock or whatever else.
I like how Kat was still nice to Courtney even though she was a train wreck
Isn't bruise violet F'ing B I hope your insides rot about Courtney? Lol
Minnesota....is awesome :)
0:50
You mean “transcribe” it? Transpose is changing keys, transcribe is writing down haha
Isnt babes in toyland song bruise violet a diss on courtney love
Yes. They were still friendly, though.
Love KAT
I like both bABES IN Toyland and Hole
Kat the original cool girl
Kat for life!!!!
@iwannabeanarchy You have won the thread.
@nt122989 thank you i am not alone,i,ve made a compilation cd with hole and babes in toyland(mostly toyland hahah)but my computer seemed to have perfectly put the songs in mixed order so u can really hear how shitty hole is!!!
actually,kat was also doing drugs years after Babes in toyland, and her child was taken away from her custody.i think they are quite similar but courtney is more famous in a press thats why all this hate
kat, jennifer, and courtney are just so gorgeous
Kat Bjelland, the best
I love both, but I've always had a soft spot for Courtney.
@tommy1973able
AGREED my friend
same
@ThePrisonersCinema Me too. :)
Love Babes in Toyoand. Not sure I buy the rags to riches story but interesting either way
"I wanted to play music, Courtney wanted fame". Courtney would manipulate for fame. She would/did kill to keep it.
+Vida Love: Lol. Stop being so salty. Your bias is showing.
She said when she saw Kurt play at first she was so jealous and wanted to steal his talent Eerie
Kat is cute
Courtney never learned to play the guitar! She plays air guitar.
*****
What are you talking about?
thethirdlife
You mean the one when she stiffs the sound engineer and he exposes her sorry ass. She is so busy stiffing everyone left and right because she is so greedy with Kurt's money.You don't stiff the sound engineer. Who does she think she is? He knows she can't play and can get even with her.
*****
Famous for murdering her husband and riding the coattails of her dead husband.At least I don't fake playing guitar.
+Just me I like Courtney but why are you acting like she's sooo famous lol she's only "famous"for Kurt anyway....let's not lie to ourselves
DesignzRUs1
I never even heard of her until she had Kurt murdered!
I know they were as doomed a trio as could be, but I wish Kat, Courtney and Jennifer could've held it together long enough to get at least one album out. There's no way they wouldn't have had something. Just the wrong place at the wrong time, especially in Courtney's development.
I've only been a fan of Kat Bjelland for a short while so excuse my ignorance when I ask this but, what's happening with her? Why isn't she around anymore, is she okay?
courtney is super insecure and surrounds herself by talented people and then tears them down. this is why people who actually know her dislike her intensely. kat can play, write, totally unique... people try to paint her as being as horrible as courtney, but kat is way more down to earth and into her own thing.
they do? I never hear anything bad about Kat, ever
Suzanne Ramsey 0:33
Kat's the coolest.
kat is so cute!!
Babes in Toyland is one of my favorite bands and Kat is a badass but she's being catty with giving fake compliments. Like "she was nice and vivacious but she couldn't play" or whatever it is that she said...she said that about Jennifer Finch too who went on to have a successful career with the band L7. Courtney learned how to play and also had an amazing natural scream so who cares if her ambition and creativity was aheard of her ability at the time. She still made shit happen.
In another interview, Kat said that back then she didn't want to be in a band with experienced players. She said she wanted to find people who couldn't play well so they could learn and develop a sound together. If you listen to Babes in Toyland, that's part of the whole aesthetic and sound. It worked.
I mean she wasn't lying and it wasn't a knock on Jen, just at that point in time she literally could not play bass well
D the lead for l7 or whatever her name is said in an interview that she had to teach Jen how to play the bass because Jen told them she knew how to play but she really didn’t and she begged l7 to be in the band saying she could play.
And you sound like you have an extreme victim mentality
2:34 I love you