@amarauk9687 you will have bigger stuff, so just swing more birds lol. My deck uses the room wincon. Otherwise, there is the combo of having the birds be enchantments and etb for that token maker when enchantments enter.
My favorite of the four, and I like how Aminatou can do surveil each turn even if you don't see enchantments, which allows both top deck and graveyard strategies. Versatility is the way to go with a good commander. There's a chance I might either let Zur #2 leads the deck, or at least have him in 99.
Considering we already have an infinite loop with the "all permanents are enchants" room and ondu spiritmancer , grim guardian immediately closes the game
So dont know who this may help but i was looking up the rulings for rooms and found this. If a spell or ability would create a copy of a Room spell on the stack, the copy retains the choice of which door was cast but also retains the full characteristics of the spell. The characteristics of the door that wasn't cast are still ignored while the copy is on the stack, and when the copy resolves, the token it becomes will enter with the appropriate door unlocked. If a Room enters from any zone other than the stack, it will enter with both halves locked.
I would definitely recommend adding scroll rack, I know it's a bit pricier than the other additions, but its ability to set you up multiple turns ahead if you're good on mana definitely calls for at least being posted into the deck
Instead of Faerie Mastermind and/or Ledger Shredder you could simply run looters as a budget and alternative to proactively "draw" (and discard) on opponents turns without relying on them doing stuff. Vohar or Likeness Looter are good alternatives for example which also interact with your graveyard as well.
yeah i was dissappointed to see those be the first two cards. Not being able to control your draws mean any surviel affects you might have won't really work
Ok I just reached the end, and I thought this was super insightful. I built Aminatou (mostly) on theme with the house. So I included a ton of enchantment creatures, eerie effects and rooms. The concept was Aminatou helping Niko and Nashi to get through the house. So the deck is half enchantments, half flicker effects. Cards like Gossip's Talent, Call for Unity, Skybind, Teleportation Circle and Displacer Kitten put in a lot of work here. Displacer triggers on each miracle cast, allowing you to flicker another enchantment (or enchantment creature) giving you a ton of eerie, Doomwake, Gremlin Tamer or Ghostly Dancers triggers. We have a standard assortment of flicker creatures like Flickerwisp, Felidar and Yorion. For finishing moves, we can obviously build a massive board state with Dusty Parlor, buffing our Demon of Fate's Design or varying other flyers to a huge amount (especially with Free casts from Multiverse, Fate's Design or Access Maze) If we starfield of nyx, all of our room cards have power equal to the COMBINED mana value, which is WILD and gives us lots of damage on board. Factor this in with Infinite reflection, which turns all creatures into the enchanted nontoken creature you control, and you essentially turn all of your non-tokens into huge beaters! It's a weird strategy. It feels scattered but is in that same way, weirdly flexible! The deck is a huge work in progress but I hope you all enjoy Aminatou the way that I have!
Rooms on the battlefield have a mana value equal to the sum of its unlocked doors' mana values. If both doors are unlocked, Starfield makes it a big creature. If a Room has no unlocked doors, possibly due to the Room being a copy of another Room on the battlefield, Starfield gives it a toughness of zero and kills it.
Only Cavalier of Gales really synergises with the deck's gameplan. Baneful Omen is a nice 'big enchantment', but BBB is too intensive for this manabase. None of the other cards have any particular synergy, might as well play 'Esper goodstuff' with a different commander.
The way the keyword works is that when you draw the card as the first card on any turn you may immediately cast it for the cost. That means you can do it on opponents turns but you also can't hold on to it and then still use that cost later.
This is my absolute favorite precon in recent history. Though I entirely gutted it and turned it into a rather aggressive enchantment/flicker deck - it's SO much fun
I loved it, too. I turned it into a slower anti combat with small stax to churn out big enchantments and rooms. That way, if the commander isn't out, I can be just fine.
I got all the duskmourn precons, Ive modified and really like the Endless Punishment one, but this one is up next for mods. I was thinking of going with a heavy dimir enchantment control slug type deck
@@bloodwire0 Aminatou gives your enchantments an alternate casting cost with a condition (i.e. miracle cost). The miracle cost is calculated using the OG MV minus 4 and all enchantments have that calculated miracle cost while they're in your hand. For X spells, X is unknown until you attempt to cast the spell so the miracle cost can't be determined using X. If a spell or ability forces you to give a value of X (like when searching with Spellseeker), X=0 (Banefire has a MV of 1 in the library). Miracle cost uses the following format: Miracle {cost}. Using The Meathook Massacre, this would be weird: Miracle (X-4){B}{B}
@tanvirrahman7339 I would double-check on this one. Aminatou gibes a derived alternate casting cost similar to how Lier does with giving Flashback and it's been ruled that Lier works with X spells.
Trying to wrap my head around Aminatou's miracle-granting ability and its interaction with X spells. I believe y'all but need to understand for when I inevitability have to explain it to my pod lol I know the cost of an X spell can be reduced, I've definitely done so on arena. You set what X is, then any additional costs are added, then any discounts are subtracted. Is it because she's granting an alternate casting cost, and that makes it unable to discount? So it'd work fine if it said "enchantments cost {4} less to cast," but the alternate cost can't be applied to X since X isn't a number till it's on the stack? I think that makes sense, and I think that's about how you explained it, but I want to be sure!
It's exactly what you said. The number has to be set in order to determine a Miracle cost. When a cost is reduced otherwise, it doesn't set a fixed cost. It's the difference between "20% off" and "$2 off a purchase of $10".
It's worth noting that, before it hits the stack, all spells with X in their casting cost ignore that as part of their "Mana Value". As such, a spell like Meathook Massacre has a Mana Value of 0BB before it is cast, so its Miracle Cost is also 0BB (since you can't reduce a cost below 0). This is the case for all spells with X in their casting cost, so Aminatou's miracle-granting ability treats all X's as 0 for the purposes of determining their Miracle Cost, which is a preset alternate cost determined before the spell is cast.
@@Serlewsh "107.3g If a card in any zone other than the stack has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of {X} is treated as 0, even if the value of X is defined somewhere within its text." Aminatou uses the mana cost of the card in hand, which is not the stack, to determine its granted miracle cost. Let us study two examples: The Master of Keys has a mana cost of {X}{W}{U}{B}, making its mana cost {0}{W}{U}{B} while in hand. When it is drawn, Aminatou gives it a miracle cost equal to its mana cost reduced by {4}. This reduction applies to the cost's generic mana, which is {0}, and costs cannot be negative (107.1b), so the result is a miracle cost of {0}{W}{U}{B}. This alternative cost does not define X, so when The Master of Keys is cast for this cost, "107.2. If anything needs to use a number that can’t be determined, either as a result or in a calculation, it uses 0 instead." The Master of Keys's effect will cause it to enter with 0 +1/+1 counters and, upon entering, its controller to mill twice 0 cards, which is 0 cards. Defenders of Humanity has a mana cost of {X}{2}{W}, making its mana cost in hand {0}{2}{W}. Unlike The Master of Keys's, this cost has generic mana to reduce, so Aminatou gives it a miracle cost of {0}{0}{W}. While it is reduced, this cost still does not define X, meaning Defenders of Humanity will create no white Astartes Warrior creature tokens with vigilance upon entering.
Actually, if you have copies of room enchantments with both sides locked, you can unlock either side whenever- tripling your eerie triggers essentially 76% confident this is how it'd work
A pretty good card draw in this deck is Greed - it is an enchantment with 3 generic in its mana cost so fits Amiatu's preference and then lets you draw for 1 black (and 2 life but, eh)
I know these videos are done waaaaaay in advance, but seeing Penance listed at a quarter is so funny considering it's price jumped so drastically after the deck was initially revealed. 😭
I disagree about a lot of this. The thing I’m using Aminatou for is the surveil and the miracles. Meaning… I’m throwing anything that isn’t an enchantment into the graveyard. Otherworldly gaze is great because it has flashback. Surveil it into the GY and play it before your draw step if you can’t miracle something out. I think this deck works best as a surveil recursion deck. Throw the necromancy, animate dead enchantments in there. Have a ton of recursion like from the rubble enchantment. Crucible of worlds for the lands in the GY. this deck works pretty good in conjunction with the revenant recon deck that came out with the Murders at Karlov Manor.
Note for anyone upgrading that Secret Arcade // Dusty Parlor, one of the new cards in the original, has a game-drawing infinite with any Constellation card that makes creatures like Archon of Sun's Grace. Secret Arcade makes everything enchantments, so Archon's tokens trigger Archon, and on and on... Unless you have some way to sacrifice Archon at instant speed, this combo will go on forever and make the game draw.
They probably gotta get all contracted videos out first for sponsorships and then the next video will be about the RC and the horrible Wizards takeover. Possibly even that confusing 4 bracket commander thing.
I really believe what we focus on will be what happens..if we focus on WoTC shitting the bed with commander then that is going to happen. The Old Commander RC will still be working with WoTC and I believe there will be less cards made for commander that will be banned in commander since there will be more communication between the RC and WoTC
They don't have control of anything... do they force you to buy cards? Do they hold a gun to the back of your head while you build your deck? Do they go through the decks of you are your playgroup before each game?.
I've been waiting for this video. Love the cuts, completely agree. I've got a copy of divining top that needs to be included in this deck. Otherwise I'll be following these upgrades pretty closely. 🤙
Card draw was something I noticed the precon needed badly when I played it the first few times. I’m thinking of changing out the commander to the new Zur, Eternal Schemer. Smash your opponents with your enchantments and Aminatou is a great card for the 99.
I think a card that would have been part of the includes that was overshadowed was Zur, Eternal Schemer. Giving all your enchantment creatures deathtouch, lifelink and hexproof is a great way to put on pressure as well as using his other ability to turn the non-aura enchantments into creatures
I know it's not an Enchantment but Scroll Rack is one of the best topdeck manipulators for top dech cheating. With how much you're drawing you could instant speed put your hand on top and cheat your hand out. Super powerful in this list.
I sold my penance because of this deck. I had one lying around for ages costing $0.50 and I sold for $7. Pretty good return for a random bulk card from way back when.
This video came just at the right time becurse i just bought the precon and I have played with it and I loved it but I want to fix it alittle and this episode will be a great reference for what I want to do
Ancient cellarspawn is the key to applying damage along with the no mana cost effects. So if you plan to get him on the field then aminatous augury has more value bc all spells cause damage on that turn
One thing you guys didn't hit on; rooms have a MV that's equal to both doors, which with Starfield of Nyx, means you can drop some pretty big beasties, especially because some rooms have 1 half that's 2-3 mana, and the other half is 4+
When a room enters play, it starts with both rooms locked, and only has the MV of the unlocked rooms, which means that starfield reanimation would immediately kill the room. Still makes ones already in play huge though.
@@gramtash9411 Not true. It enters with the cast room already unlocked. 709.5d A permanent with a shared type line is given the “left half unlocked” designation as it enters the battlefield if its left half was cast as a spell. It is given the “right half unlocked” designation as it enters the battlefield if its right half was a cast as a spell.
Cool thing with Starfield of Nyx (there's also a Room in the precon that turns all of your stuff into enchantments) - if you play an Ondu Spiritdancer, you can copy them infinitely so you can choose to have infinite Ondu Spiritdancers which is very scary.
@@jacobnestle3805 Did they? I pulled up that video and I thought that they normally do them alphabetical so I went towards the end and never heard him come up. I'll have to listen to it again. Thanks for the reply.
I’m building master of keys rn and it’s been super fun but man I love this precon. I’m having a hard time dismantling it to make the master of keys, just cause it’s so fun!
43:35 reminded me of something very funny i once did with an astral dragon. i made two dragon oubliettes against the braids player and proceeded to beat him to death with an oubliette containing his commander. memenath locus of jank is a hell of a nonsense pile, that's not even the craziest story, really hope one day i get to play it against the game knights peeps if not actually on the show itself.
Yeah it's kinda pricy, but Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack would go perfectly in here. Also Counterbalance if you fancy playing a bit of control mage.
@@webbc99 agreed, SDT is great with scroll rack. I got both of mine cheap, I bought them just as they got reprinted, just like I did with mana crypt (RIP)
My wife trying out this deck for the first time yesterday and having a hard time getting any result out of it Me watching this video to figure out what to help her with, and seeing most of the cards she had to play be on the remove list like aaaah I see 😅
I feel like Mystic Speculation is kind of a poor man's Sensei's Divining Top at $1.50. One Blue to Scry 3 and then you can spend an extra two colorless to Buyback and put it back in your hand after it resolves. Could even be better if you have the mana to burn due to it adding back on resolution.
wait i’m confused as to why it wouldn’t work with x cost cards. it just creates a function of x-4 on miracle so say x=10 cost now equals 6 would it not? you pay 6 to get the benefit of 10
Miracle is an alternate casting cost, so the cost is decided before it goes on the stack or cast it. X spells are x=0 at all times except as you declare its cost while casting it and then while it is on the stack. Effectively, Miracle can only see the zero at the time the Miracle discount is determined. It’s unintuitive, but it is the natural consequences of the sequencing of the rules.
@@UnreasonableOpinions you are almost right, after the reduction occurs you chose the mana value of X. It can be anything you want, but it won’t be reduced by aminatou. You aren’t limited to 0
I'm surprised you didn't add Arguel's blood fast to the deck or even search for Azcanta. Both have been great for me. If you add Smothering tithe, with the monolog tax in the deck treasure map is a really good add
As a hardcore enchantress player, this deck is NOT new player friendly at all, and it requires a lot of future upgrades for it truly shine. It is not exactly focused on what it is wanting to do, and the cards they suggested were pretty trash.
@@joejojo5966 Disinformation Campaign, Mangara, the Diplomat, Verity Circle, Scroll Rack, and Mystic Remora, Aminatou, the Fateshifter, Teferi, Master of Time, Heliod, the Radiant Dawn. Those seven cards are almost the same budget and a better job than the ones they suggested. From what I've found, it is really advantageous to have passive draw on opponents turns, while still setting up the top of your deck. This is why Scroll Rack is important, but I understand it is really expensive. Soothsaying is a viable alternative. Mystic Speculation is a good option too, but much narrower. One final note, people sleep on Mind's Dilation. MD for 3 MV is a better deal than 7 MV.
First off i would reccomend rhystic study and mystic remora. I know its very basic, but as enchantments that have extreme synergy with drawing cards on opponents turns, they are auto includes. You could also use aminatou to get an omnipotence for 6 mana or mind's dilation for 3. They are very solid options
@@halvsketchy9293 the cards I recommended wasn't looking to break the $50 mark as much as possible. Rhystic almost does it by itself. If we're breaking the bank, I have Replenish, Academy Rector, and any number of tutors. Those cards are upgrades to work into for newer players later down the road
For the remaining 1,5$, what about one of the creature that tutors an enchantement on top of your deck? The Mind Flayer makes more sense in the Winter deck imo if you fancy janky payoffs
Anyone try an auras deck with her yet? Eldrazi conscription for 4 seems fun. Did extravagant replication spike with obeka? It seems a little nuts there lol.
Random suggestion: could you see if the price tags displayed on the cards can be in a different spot? Now it’s blocking the mana cost sometimes so need to go to a different website to fully understand the cards you’re talking about.
I won tonight with the standard Precon I copied sphere of safety and had a room out which made everything besides my lands enchantments they were having to pay up to 18 per creature to hit me😂
Its i think the 4th time ive seen an upgrade card that is also a secret lair drop, wizards must print them knowing they are good for precons eh, those little devils
Thanks for the video! Unfortunately, Penance and Starfield of Nyx jumped in price. The deck does have a hard time finishing games, so I added Approach of the Second Sun as an alt-win condition. It works well with all the top deck manipulation. Als, Shadow of the Second Sun is a great addition to the deck!
I'm really supprised both wotc and you guys missed putting Greed in the deck. It's a very cheap to buy enchantment for 3b that says b and 2 life: draw a card. It comes out fast with Aminatwo, and it's a cheat repeatable way to draw cards, and it's been around since Legends, and reprinted in the last few years.
Feel like this deck was a struggle. It may be time to look at each set of precons and decide to do a boosted upgrade. That all depends on your scheduling but i still feel like the deck is struggling after these upgrades
Ive gotta disagree with a lot of these upgrades tbh, i have no problem winning games. You need to pivot into more cost reducers for when your commander gets hit. There's so many enchantment creatures to help with board presence
I was hoping for a Miracle deck and it turned out to be "just" another enchantment deck. I mean, it's great but if you don't have Aminatou on the battlefield, it feels very weak against the other decks and much less fun to play than what I expected.
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What do you think of this precon? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with?
@@commandcast dovescape if you are playing it in a propaganda/ghostly prison type of slower deck. Or if you simply want to be a menace to your pod.
@@zandaman802Right, because everyone loves 4h mexican standstills
@amarauk9687 you will have bigger stuff, so just swing more birds lol. My deck uses the room wincon. Otherwise, there is the combo of having the birds be enchantments and etb for that token maker when enchantments enter.
My favorite of the four, and I like how Aminatou can do surveil each turn even if you don't see enchantments, which allows both top deck and graveyard strategies. Versatility is the way to go with a good commander. There's a chance I might either let Zur #2 leads the deck, or at least have him in 99.
Considering we already have an infinite loop with the "all permanents are enchants" room and ondu spiritmancer , grim guardian immediately closes the game
One of my favorite card draw additions is Greed. It itself is an Enchantment and allows you to draw on other turns to miracle.
So dont know who this may help but i was looking up the rulings for rooms and found this.
If a spell or ability would create a copy of a Room spell on the stack, the copy retains the choice of which door was cast but also retains the full characteristics of the spell. The characteristics of the door that wasn't cast are still ignored while the copy is on the stack, and when the copy resolves, the token it becomes will enter with the appropriate door unlocked.
If a Room enters from any zone other than the stack, it will enter with both halves locked.
Fastest click of my life. Got this precon over the weekend and have been absolutely loving it!
I would definitely recommend adding scroll rack, I know it's a bit pricier than the other additions, but its ability to set you up multiple turns ahead if you're good on mana definitely calls for at least being posted into the deck
Instead of Faerie Mastermind and/or Ledger Shredder you could simply run looters as a budget and alternative to proactively "draw" (and discard) on opponents turns without relying on them doing stuff. Vohar or Likeness Looter are good alternatives for example which also interact with your graveyard as well.
yeah i was dissappointed to see those be the first two cards. Not being able to control your draws mean any surviel affects you might have won't really work
Ok I just reached the end, and I thought this was super insightful.
I built Aminatou (mostly) on theme with the house. So I included a ton of enchantment creatures, eerie effects and rooms.
The concept was Aminatou helping Niko and Nashi to get through the house.
So the deck is half enchantments, half flicker effects.
Cards like Gossip's Talent, Call for Unity, Skybind, Teleportation Circle and Displacer Kitten put in a lot of work here. Displacer triggers on each miracle cast, allowing you to flicker another enchantment (or enchantment creature) giving you a ton of eerie, Doomwake, Gremlin Tamer or Ghostly Dancers triggers.
We have a standard assortment of flicker creatures like Flickerwisp, Felidar and Yorion.
For finishing moves, we can obviously build a massive board state with Dusty Parlor, buffing our Demon of Fate's Design or varying other flyers to a huge amount (especially with Free casts from Multiverse, Fate's Design or Access Maze)
If we starfield of nyx, all of our room cards have power equal to the COMBINED mana value, which is WILD and gives us lots of damage on board.
Factor this in with Infinite reflection, which turns all creatures into the enchanted nontoken creature you control, and you essentially turn all of your non-tokens into huge beaters!
It's a weird strategy. It feels scattered but is in that same way, weirdly flexible!
The deck is a huge work in progress but I hope you all enjoy Aminatou the way that I have!
Rooms on the battlefield have a mana value equal to the sum of its unlocked doors' mana values. If both doors are unlocked, Starfield makes it a big creature. If a Room has no unlocked doors, possibly due to the Room being a copy of another Room on the battlefield, Starfield gives it a toughness of zero and kills it.
@@the_r4tssure - that’s why you dont copy the rooms
Some good adds are
1. Baneful Omen (win con, burn)
2. Sorin, Grim Nemesis (win con, burn)
3. Twilight Prophet (draw, burn)
4. Marvo Deep Operative(clash free cast)
5. Cavalier of Gales (flying blocker brainstorm)
6. Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign (free cast, flying blocker)
7. Haunted Crossroads (put creature/enchantment creature on top of library)
Only Cavalier of Gales really synergises with the deck's gameplan. Baneful Omen is a nice 'big enchantment', but BBB is too intensive for this manabase. None of the other cards have any particular synergy, might as well play 'Esper goodstuff' with a different commander.
what would you cut
So does miracle ignore timing restrictions? You can cast enchantments on opponents turns without flash if it’s a miracle?
Yep
@@Slurreful thank you. Ledger shredder and others make more sense now
The way the keyword works is that when you draw the card as the first card on any turn you may immediately cast it for the cost.
That means you can do it on opponents turns but you also can't hold on to it and then still use that cost later.
@@cmdrvimes72 you can if you get it to the top
This is my absolute favorite precon in recent history. Though I entirely gutted it and turned it into a rather aggressive enchantment/flicker deck - it's SO much fun
And Jamie is on this episode? Let's go!
I loved it, too. I turned it into a slower anti combat with small stax to churn out big enchantments and rooms. That way, if the commander isn't out, I can be just fine.
Sounds interesting. What did you do?
What's the Deck list
I got all the duskmourn precons, Ive modified and really like the Endless Punishment one, but this one is up next for mods. I was thinking of going with a heavy dimir enchantment control slug type deck
It looks like the price of Penance has gone up a lot since the release of Duskmourn. It's now at around 5 dollars instead of a mere quarter.
$30.
Didn't knew that rule about the X mana cost, kind of wierd the interaction between the two commanders.
I assumed X would automatically equal 4
Wotc really screwed that up putting such a big nonbo between the commanders
So you're saying that 4 doesn't apply to the X rule???
@@bloodwire0 Aminatou gives your enchantments an alternate casting cost with a condition (i.e. miracle cost). The miracle cost is calculated using the OG MV minus 4 and all enchantments have that calculated miracle cost while they're in your hand. For X spells, X is unknown until you attempt to cast the spell so the miracle cost can't be determined using X. If a spell or ability forces you to give a value of X (like when searching with Spellseeker), X=0 (Banefire has a MV of 1 in the library).
Miracle cost uses the following format: Miracle {cost}.
Using The Meathook Massacre, this would be weird: Miracle (X-4){B}{B}
@tanvirrahman7339 I would double-check on this one. Aminatou gibes a derived alternate casting cost similar to how Lier does with giving Flashback and it's been ruled that Lier works with X spells.
I'm a little surprised not to see Soothsaying mentioned. It kind of does everything you'd want for Aminatou.
I added that card as soon as i found out about it. Perfect addition
Trying to wrap my head around Aminatou's miracle-granting ability and its interaction with X spells. I believe y'all but need to understand for when I inevitability have to explain it to my pod lol
I know the cost of an X spell can be reduced, I've definitely done so on arena. You set what X is, then any additional costs are added, then any discounts are subtracted.
Is it because she's granting an alternate casting cost, and that makes it unable to discount? So it'd work fine if it said "enchantments cost {4} less to cast," but the alternate cost can't be applied to X since X isn't a number till it's on the stack?
I think that makes sense, and I think that's about how you explained it, but I want to be sure!
It's exactly what you said. The number has to be set in order to determine a Miracle cost. When a cost is reduced otherwise, it doesn't set a fixed cost.
It's the difference between "20% off" and "$2 off a purchase of $10".
It's worth noting that, before it hits the stack, all spells with X in their casting cost ignore that as part of their "Mana Value". As such, a spell like Meathook Massacre has a Mana Value of 0BB before it is cast, so its Miracle Cost is also 0BB (since you can't reduce a cost below 0). This is the case for all spells with X in their casting cost, so Aminatou's miracle-granting ability treats all X's as 0 for the purposes of determining their Miracle Cost, which is a preset alternate cost determined before the spell is cast.
Don't believe them. They got this one wrong. X spells work fine.
@@Serlewsh "107.3g If a card in any zone other than the stack has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of {X} is treated as 0, even if the value of X is defined somewhere within its text."
Aminatou uses the mana cost of the card in hand, which is not the stack, to determine its granted miracle cost. Let us study two examples:
The Master of Keys has a mana cost of {X}{W}{U}{B}, making its mana cost {0}{W}{U}{B} while in hand. When it is drawn, Aminatou gives it a miracle cost equal to its mana cost reduced by {4}. This reduction applies to the cost's generic mana, which is {0}, and costs cannot be negative (107.1b), so the result is a miracle cost of {0}{W}{U}{B}. This alternative cost does not define X, so when The Master of Keys is cast for this cost,
"107.2. If anything needs to use a number that can’t be determined, either as a result or in a calculation, it uses 0 instead."
The Master of Keys's effect will cause it to enter with 0 +1/+1 counters and, upon entering, its controller to mill twice 0 cards, which is 0 cards.
Defenders of Humanity has a mana cost of {X}{2}{W}, making its mana cost in hand {0}{2}{W}. Unlike The Master of Keys's, this cost has generic mana to reduce, so Aminatou gives it a miracle cost of {0}{0}{W}. While it is reduced, this cost still does not define X, meaning Defenders of Humanity will create no white Astartes Warrior creature tokens with vigilance upon entering.
2 cheap cards i have in mine is Insight and Ancestral Knowledge. both super fun.
Actually, if you have copies of room enchantments with both sides locked, you can unlock either side whenever- tripling your eerie triggers essentially
76% confident this is how it'd work
A pretty good card draw in this deck is Greed - it is an enchantment with 3 generic in its mana cost so fits Amiatu's preference and then lets you draw for 1 black (and 2 life but, eh)
Wish they'd reprint more Faerie Mastermind and Ledger Shredder since they're pretty much auto includes for most blue decks..
I know these videos are done waaaaaay in advance, but seeing Penance listed at a quarter is so funny considering it's price jumped so drastically after the deck was initially revealed. 😭
Yup. Same with Starfield of Nyx!
Just got mine yesterday. So happy to see this today.
I'VE BEEN HUNGRY FOR THIS! THANK YOU!
I disagree about a lot of this. The thing I’m using Aminatou for is the surveil and the miracles. Meaning… I’m throwing anything that isn’t an enchantment into the graveyard. Otherworldly gaze is great because it has flashback. Surveil it into the GY and play it before your draw step if you can’t miracle something out.
I think this deck works best as a surveil recursion deck. Throw the necromancy, animate dead enchantments in there. Have a ton of recursion like from the rubble enchantment. Crucible of worlds for the lands in the GY.
this deck works pretty good in conjunction with the revenant recon deck that came out with the Murders at Karlov Manor.
Note for anyone upgrading that Secret Arcade // Dusty Parlor, one of the new cards in the original, has a game-drawing infinite with any Constellation card that makes creatures like Archon of Sun's Grace.
Secret Arcade makes everything enchantments, so Archon's tokens trigger Archon, and on and on...
Unless you have some way to sacrifice Archon at instant speed, this combo will go on forever and make the game draw.
Agree, was very surprised that OG Aminatou wasn't in the deck instead of the Augury. Although, the new art is very pretty.
Those prices are crazy high compared to what they are at today
That's the difficult part of long production timelines, looks better, good scripts, but information is dated faster.
I just checked Penance (which they have at $0.25. It's $6.50!
I love this precon!! Haven't gotten it yet, but I can't wait to buy it :D
Im waiting for a future video discussing the future of commander now that wizards has control of the format
Came here to say the same thing.
I will simply like your comment and reply to bump it to the top.
They probably gotta get all contracted videos out first for sponsorships and then the next video will be about the RC and the horrible Wizards takeover. Possibly even that confusing 4 bracket commander thing.
I really believe what we focus on will be what happens..if we focus on WoTC shitting the bed with commander then that is going to happen.
The Old Commander RC will still be working with WoTC and I believe there will be less cards made for commander that will be banned in commander since there will be more communication between the RC and WoTC
Y’all give them time 😂
They don't have control of anything... do they force you to buy cards? Do they hold a gun to the back of your head while you build your deck? Do they go through the decks of you are your playgroup before each game?.
I've been waiting for this video. Love the cuts, completely agree. I've got a copy of divining top that needs to be included in this deck. Otherwise I'll be following these upgrades pretty closely. 🤙
Card draw was something I noticed the precon needed badly when I played it the first few times. I’m thinking of changing out the commander to the new Zur, Eternal Schemer. Smash your opponents with your enchantments and Aminatou is a great card for the 99.
I think a card that would have been part of the includes that was overshadowed was Zur, Eternal Schemer. Giving all your enchantment creatures deathtouch, lifelink and hexproof is a great way to put on pressure as well as using his other ability to turn the non-aura enchantments into creatures
I know it's not an Enchantment but Scroll Rack is one of the best topdeck manipulators for top dech cheating. With how much you're drawing you could instant speed put your hand on top and cheat your hand out. Super powerful in this list.
I sold my penance because of this deck. I had one lying around for ages costing $0.50 and I sold for $7. Pretty good return for a random bulk card from way back when.
This video came just at the right time becurse i just bought the precon and I have played with it and I loved it but I want to fix it alittle and this episode will be a great reference for what I want to do
Ancient cellarspawn is the key to applying damage along with the no mana cost effects. So if you plan to get him on the field then aminatous augury has more value bc all spells cause damage on that turn
One thing you guys didn't hit on; rooms have a MV that's equal to both doors, which with Starfield of Nyx, means you can drop some pretty big beasties, especially because some rooms have 1 half that's 2-3 mana, and the other half is 4+
When a room enters play, it starts with both rooms locked, and only has the MV of the unlocked rooms, which means that starfield reanimation would immediately kill the room.
Still makes ones already in play huge though.
@@gramtash9411 Not true. It enters with the cast room already unlocked.
709.5d A permanent with a shared type line is given the “left half unlocked” designation as it enters the battlefield if its left half was cast as a spell. It is given the “right half unlocked” designation as it enters the battlefield if its right half was a cast as a spell.
Also you need both sides unlocked to make them truly huge. On the battlefield specifically, only the unlocked sides count to the permanent's MV
Cool thing with Starfield of Nyx (there's also a Room in the precon that turns all of your stuff into enchantments) - if you play an Ondu Spiritdancer, you can copy them infinitely so you can choose to have infinite Ondu Spiritdancers which is very scary.
Phenomenon Investigators feels like it wants to be in a Jon Irenicus deck...
I got it in the mail yesterday, I am excited and stoke to upgrade it
I will be building Rendmaw, I hope to see him on the channel at some point.
They mention Rendmaw in the Commanders of Duskmourn video
@@jacobnestle3805 Did they? I pulled up that video and I thought that they normally do them alphabetical so I went towards the end and never heard him come up. I'll have to listen to it again. Thanks for the reply.
I build her as a curse commander. A lot less strong but way cooler!
Same
Thank you!! I thought you need to give flash for miracle. Changing the game plan now
I’m building master of keys rn and it’s been super fun but man I love this precon. I’m having a hard time dismantling it to make the master of keys, just cause it’s so fun!
Same. I am leaning towards master of keys myself but it hurts to take it apart lol
I have been patiently waiting for this episode, my Tuesday has gotten brighter
43:35 reminded me of something very funny i once did with an astral dragon. i made two dragon oubliettes against the braids player and proceeded to beat him to death with an oubliette containing his commander. memenath locus of jank is a hell of a nonsense pile, that's not even the craziest story, really hope one day i get to play it against the game knights peeps if not actually on the show itself.
It must be a hell of a time to have to keep up a normal production schedule the last month.
“I’m just a kid, and life is a nightmare” -Aminatou. Trust me, I’m a Vorthos
Scroll rack would be a cool include here, you can put stuff from your hand on top to miracle out, not sure how expensive it is though.
Yeah it's kinda pricy, but Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack would go perfectly in here. Also Counterbalance if you fancy playing a bit of control mage.
@@webbc99 agreed, SDT is great with scroll rack. I got both of mine cheap, I bought them just as they got reprinted, just like I did with mana crypt (RIP)
My wife trying out this deck for the first time yesterday and having a hard time getting any result out of it
Me watching this video to figure out what to help her with, and seeing most of the cards she had to play be on the remove list like aaaah I see 😅
Aminatou's Augury played insanely well in the deck, surprised to see it cut.
Love this precon! dont want to type up all of the changes i disagree with
Off topic but, can i please get a full cover of Josh singing died in your arms the death toll preview got me good.💀
I don’t believe penance requires a target. You can activate it whenever you want without specifying a target (because it doesn’t target)
Arvinox & banishing stroke are cool together in this deck
11:45 Athreos isn't there to protect your creatures, they're there to steal creatures from your opponents
I feel like Mystic Speculation is kind of a poor man's Sensei's Divining Top at $1.50. One Blue to Scry 3 and then you can spend an extra two colorless to Buyback and put it back in your hand after it resolves. Could even be better if you have the mana to burn due to it adding back on resolution.
wait i’m confused as to why it wouldn’t work with x cost cards. it just creates a function of x-4 on miracle so say x=10 cost now equals 6 would it not? you pay 6 to get the benefit of 10
Miracle works in a way that you have to play it as X cost of 0
@@SaneTheGod hm kinda silly tbh
@@SaneTheGod wait no but where in the rules does it say this because everything i’ve seen that reduces mana cost allows for this why not miracle
Miracle is an alternate casting cost, so the cost is decided before it goes on the stack or cast it. X spells are x=0 at all times except as you declare its cost while casting it and then while it is on the stack. Effectively, Miracle can only see the zero at the time the Miracle discount is determined.
It’s unintuitive, but it is the natural consequences of the sequencing of the rules.
@@UnreasonableOpinions you are almost right, after the reduction occurs you chose the mana value of X. It can be anything you want, but it won’t be reduced by aminatou. You aren’t limited to 0
I'm surprised you didn't add Arguel's blood fast to the deck or even search for Azcanta. Both have been great for me.
If you add Smothering tithe, with the monolog tax in the deck treasure map is a really good add
Best upgrade videos on the web
I would use zur instead of starfield. Gives more control on how many enchantments u wanna make creatures.
Hope everyone id doing good and keep the videos coming 😊
Have played this deck 3 times now and its been a lot of fun 1-2 with the deck so far, could've been 2-1 but had a misplay 🤦♂
Am I first?!?! I just played this deck 10 minutes ago and it’s wonderful out of the box.
Need to start showing stats after recommended changes, that would be nice to summarized how you impacted the strategy.
Picked up mine yesterday
They fucked up the rulings on master of keys and that secret arcade. The fact that both dont synergize at all with aminatou is mind blowing.
How does arcade not work? Rooms are reduced by the miracle cost
My first adds were penance, starfield of nyx, jace mind sculptor and consecrated sphinx
*adds archon of sun's grace, proceeds to not cut the room that forces a draw whenever they're together.
I feel like this deck is kinda hard for newer players. I had so many interactions at one point I couldn’t keep up.
As a hardcore enchantress player, this deck is NOT new player friendly at all, and it requires a lot of future upgrades for it truly shine. It is not exactly focused on what it is wanting to do, and the cards they suggested were pretty trash.
@@Skywarp2099 any youd recommend?
@@joejojo5966 Disinformation Campaign, Mangara, the Diplomat, Verity Circle, Scroll Rack, and Mystic Remora, Aminatou, the Fateshifter, Teferi, Master of Time, Heliod, the Radiant Dawn. Those seven cards are almost the same budget and a better job than the ones they suggested.
From what I've found, it is really advantageous to have passive draw on opponents turns, while still setting up the top of your deck. This is why Scroll Rack is important, but I understand it is really expensive. Soothsaying is a viable alternative. Mystic Speculation is a good option too, but much narrower. One final note, people sleep on Mind's Dilation. MD for 3 MV is a better deal than 7 MV.
First off i would reccomend rhystic study and mystic remora. I know its very basic, but as enchantments that have extreme synergy with drawing cards on opponents turns, they are auto includes. You could also use aminatou to get an omnipotence for 6 mana or mind's dilation for 3. They are very solid options
@@halvsketchy9293 the cards I recommended wasn't looking to break the $50 mark as much as possible. Rhystic almost does it by itself. If we're breaking the bank, I have Replenish, Academy Rector, and any number of tutors. Those cards are upgrades to work into for newer players later down the road
I thought i was going to use her for my pillow fort shell but she feels more top deck manipulation focused
Feels weird that they commented on not having quite enough enchantments in the deck but then not adding many? 🤷
Yeah like adding five creatures and taking out a bunch of big (and easily discounted) enchantments seems counterproductive
Yeah, this was a real flavor fail of an upgrade guide. It's just "add generic good cards to the deck."
For the remaining 1,5$, what about one of the creature that tutors an enchantement on top of your deck? The Mind Flayer makes more sense in the Winter deck imo if you fancy janky payoffs
Anyone try an auras deck with her yet? Eldrazi conscription for 4 seems fun.
Did extravagant replication spike with obeka? It seems a little nuts there lol.
Random suggestion: could you see if the price tags displayed on the cards can be in a different spot? Now it’s blocking the mana cost sometimes so need to go to a different website to fully understand the cards you’re talking about.
I was literally looking for this 2 hours ago haha
Oba! Estava esperando por esse vídeo 🎉
You know how looong i been waitin’ for dis
Penance is now a $6 Plus card
There’s also two miracle cards in the warhammer 40k space marines deck they are dope
I won tonight with the standard Precon I copied sphere of safety and had a room out which made everything besides my lands enchantments they were having to pay up to 18 per creature to hit me😂
I’m thinking instead of adding or subtracting 10 cards - limit changes by value. So if you have a $50 budget - you could add 3 cards or 13…
I actually won by commander damage with this one, but you probably need to make it a flyer or unblockable.
Its i think the 4th time ive seen an upgrade card that is also a secret lair drop, wizards must print them knowing they are good for precons eh, those little devils
Thanks for the video! Unfortunately, Penance and Starfield of Nyx jumped in price. The deck does have a hard time finishing games, so I added Approach of the Second Sun as an alt-win condition. It works well with all the top deck manipulation. Als, Shadow of the Second Sun is a great addition to the deck!
Whatever you’re paying Rachel, go ahead and double it.
If she was paying $50 10 episodes ago, she would be paying $25,000,000,000,000 now given the amount of times Ive seen this comment.
This whole time I've been playing with the deck as if the value of X spells was at least 4 with the miracle lol
I added Jace the mind sculpter, omniscience and Armageddon lol
I'm really supprised both wotc and you guys missed putting Greed in the deck. It's a very cheap to buy enchantment for 3b that says b and 2 life: draw a card. It comes out fast with Aminatwo, and it's a cheat repeatable way to draw cards, and it's been around since Legends, and reprinted in the last few years.
Feel like this deck was a struggle. It may be time to look at each set of precons and decide to do a boosted upgrade. That all depends on your scheduling but i still feel like the deck is struggling after these upgrades
36:17 oor... just use the Enchantment after combat?
I really thought they photoshoped Jamie's face onto the card when I saw Faerie Mastermind
Nice, This one looked interesting
I bought two Doom Whisperers when they where hot. I am a bit sad seeing them at 1 dollar now haha. 😭😂
Ive gotta disagree with a lot of these upgrades tbh, i have no problem winning games. You need to pivot into more cost reducers for when your commander gets hit. There's so many enchantment creatures to help with board presence
And sometimes you get lucky and realize you opened a Ledger Shredder from a Bloomburrow pack.
I was hoping for a Miracle deck and it turned out to be "just" another enchantment deck. I mean, it's great but if you don't have Aminatou on the battlefield, it feels very weak against the other decks and much less fun to play than what I expected.
Jesus the cards to add worth more than the whole deck 😂
It wasnt budget friendly at all
Those are still budget cards too. You could easily spend $500 to upgrade this deck.
@@Habaneropeppah give it a week, it'll only cost $10 but won't be legal 😆
Not adding to the hate, just making funnies to cope.
@@Dead_Heir lol, heard that!
Now check back in a week after the Command Zone effect happens
@@Habaneropeppah well, you can spend 2k if you want. But thats not the point
Penance is definitely not $0.25 anymore thanks to this deck and well before the video. 😂 I get they do these before stuff releases though
Would’ve been helpful if they didn’t delay the release 5 days because of the dumb “oh my mana crypt!” Nonsense.
lol you guys took so long to get this video out - Penance is now like $6
You try making the amount of content they do, at the quality they manage, at the speed they do it, and see how "long" it takes you
I bought 5 copies for 40 cents expecting it to go up 😈
Wow, at time of filming Penance was a quarter. Now over 4 dollars.
People are sleeping on Rabble Rousing.